>>98166993
>monopose easy to build models
worthless

>>98166993
no the marine starter kit seems like a better way to get into the game

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>>98166969
It's so other revolvers can shine more.

Reposting from last thread due to no response:

Chaos Marine fag here, got my Chaos Predator in the mail, should I make it a Destructor or Annihilator? I already have a Venomcrawler, Obliterators, a Vindicator, three Bikers, and a Maulerfiend.

>>98166993
>Are YOU coughing up for it?
I'm tempted for the Orks half, but honestly, I think I'll just grab them on ebay later. First time I'm not getting a starter set ever since joining the hobby. I have or had at one point the 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th, and 10th ones. But I have primaris fatigue and there's absolutely nothing saving the Marine half this time.

>>98167029
>Destructor or Annihilator
Magnetize, unironically. Rules change all the time.

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Ok THIS has got to be the worst one I know of
That IS meant to be a boltgun, not a pistol

I like orks :D
>>98166993
>TQ
yes, my orks need a proper painboy, weirdboy, ork lieutenant, and banner wielder

>>98166993
I’ll buy the ork half but I have 199 pts of marines and like an 80 model backlog anyway

>>98167036
Man I don’t know how I managed to get into 40k. This art is so painfully fucking bad, and I always got it confused with StarCraft growing up.

>>98167036
That whole game felt like a pistol trying to be a boltgun

>>98167043
**1990

>>98167036
Anon the point people were making last thread is that bolters are actually supposed to be short and stubby like that, yes. They are basically SMGs to the Marines. They aren't meant to be like battle rifles. Marines are shock assault troops that do boarding actions and close quarters combat clearing tunnels, fighting through dense hive cities, and invade installations and fortresses to kill everything inside. They don't generally fight in big open areas as a rule, because the Imperium has Titans and 20 gorillion Leman Russ tanks to deal with those.

>>98167036
>DoW2 mentioned
As I started a new campaign a few days ago? Hell yeah.

I prefer DoW1 for the multiplayer gameplay, but DoW2 rocks hard. I much prefer this era of 40k.

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There are two major 40k discord servers that have 220k+ members each.

The first just has an aquila as their server icon, and everything is about 40k minus the usual off topic channels so people can post pets or food or whatever just for fun. The mods post are about administration or gaming news.

The second has the rainbow and trans flag superimposed over the aquila at all times of the year not just June, and the server administrator posts often, has channels about lgbtq stuff, and has a drama channel set aside to screenshot people asking why there's gay/trans propaganda channels so he can publicly ban them and record it. Even just the question gets you banned.

The reason I'm making this post is because when Blanche passed away, the first server immediately swapped the server icon to his portrait, and there was an announcement respecting him.
The second server has still as of the time of writing kept their gay and trans flag icon, and there has not been any announcements regarding Blanche. There's one a week ago about 11th edition coming, and the announcement prior to that is about the ability to choose a color for your name in the server.

We sometimes talk about "fake fans", "secondaries", and "grifters", but it never hit me like this before. One server is generally serious and is about warhammer first, while the second is a propaganda outlet since the owner is lgbtq, and the first immediately makes everything about Blanche while the second doesn't even mention it. I have never seen such a clean cut example of a real fan vs a fake fan so perfectly displayed.

Also, this very post right here, just factually examining the behavior of the two servers, would get me banned from the second one. That's the kind of environment they have created.

So with Hive apparently being a proper grimdark book, and the new trailer also going into that direction: Could it be that GW realized they need to shift the focus and tone of the setting a bit away from super hero stories, and more towards the gothic horror aspect?

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Intecessors need to be renamed to tacticals and be able to ride rhinos. That's all I ask.

>>98167055
Sure, if they want stocks to go down because their new left wing audience will turn on them instantly.

>>98167035
Don't own magnets.

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This will upset anon.

>>98167063
The imperium being a horrible place seems exactly what these type of people might like

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>>98167054
Everyone is divided into two camps - people who didn't need to be told anything you just said, because we all know these things already; and the subversive troony freaks who are the problem, who are going to deny everything you just said no matter how much evidence you show them.

Anyways, Rest in Peace Mr. Blanche.

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>>98167067
There's already ones that aren't far from that

Ten veteran Imperial tank crews, each commanding tanks the Rogal Dorn, or Malcador. Everyone with the same tank name is on the same side. Which legacy-named tank team would come out on top?

>>98167029
>>98167065
NTA but you basically get two options
Just assemble the one you think looks the coolest without worrying about rules (temporary).
Or switch the parts around with cheap neodymium magnets off amazon OR even something like blue tack if you're too lazy.

>>98167054
>server A is people, who like 40k
>server B is grifters, 40k flavor
I want to be part of none as I do not trust either of them to be autistic enough.

>>98167063
>new left wing audience
The lefties don't really buy anything

I'm surprised GW didn't backpedal from the Primaris flop.
The argument that they are popular is ridiculous and dishonest considering that GW artificially creates the "demand" by pumping them into every single 2-player box, give them discount boxes all the time etc. You do see them on the tables often because they are extremely cheap to collect but if you check online and local communities, they are still dwarfed by old Marines.
Even on r*ddit the Firstborn subr*ddit has over 5k followers, over 4k weekly visitors and 120 weekly contributors. People are posting there daily, sharing various projects and games. Meanwhile, the Primaris community has 78 weekly visitors and the last post there was a month ago. On Facebook the difference in popularity is even bigger.
When they released new Scouts, Termies and updated Drop Pods I was thinking that GW wants to switch back to the Firstborn aesthetic and visual design, scrapping the nu-lore bit by bit. Updated Sternguard and Armageddon show that's not the case.

>>98167055
They never shifted it away from grimdark in the first place.

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>>98167067
Reminder that the gun is shaped like that because otherwise he can't wield it. they had to cut that part at the back so the shoulder pads can fit.

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Does anyone have this image but with dark eldar instead? I alreadu found some with orks, chaos, tau, and admech.

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>>98167095
But they could've done pic

>>98167028
There's something about a breast implanted, hair dyed, makeup using, lithe woman, with a "weathered" painted revolver, that makes me not take whatever setting that is seriously.
If it was single action I'd ask how she reaches the cock after firing it once breaks her hand and flicks back into her face.

>>98167036
DoWII tried to do the realism scale thing and sucked massively for it, amongst other things.
And despite that, they gave astartes grade bolters/heavy bolters to the guardsmen. Merrick looked like a joke especially when stood next to Castor one handing a sniper rifle, even if Castor clearly had marine organs implanted given his gigantism.
I wish vidya games in general didn't follow the same sequel suck trends that Relic did, but then now we're having a new DoW not even by them and it looks terrible.

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>>98166993
I'm doing my part.

>>98167088
Are you somehow unaware of Armageddon? The whole theme of the marine side is going back to manlet designs

>>98167054
Cool blog post.

>>98167054
Who cares

>>98167088
>I'm surprised GW didn't backpedal from the Primaris flop.
They clearly have, in terms of models, just not as much as they should, and they don't acknowledge it.

But consider that Phobos were supposed to replace the old Scouts completely, and Gravis were supposed to replace Terminators. Yet by the time they designed 10th edition they had totally given up on that and instead just released updated Scouts and Terminators almost totally accurate to the Firstborn designs.

The selling point on the new Intercessors is "some of them have firstborn helmets and stuff now". They did the same thing for Sternguard. They gave Space Wolves Grey Hunters old style boltguns. They generally made Black Templars look more like Firstborn. Etc.

Primaris seem to be losing.

>>98167067
>no redraw moved the entire clip holder into the boltgun
>just makes it look more and more retarded with every step
>>98167080
james really does read our threads

>>98166317
>>98166336
>but in official tourneys your opponent can whine and get you booted for using legends and old sculpts
You guys are just fucking with me right?

>>98167057
>name
"Tacticals" is a weird name, I think it's a bit too much 21st century military, but I can tell myself it's a "loose translation" to english from high-gothic (or whatever the codex is written in).
But intercessor is such a bad name, the only quality of which is that it's trying to be in whatever language the codex is written in.

Devastator was always the superior name of the three, naturally.

>rhinos
They're being remade, just wait a year or two, trust. How will they rape the nu-land raider?

>>98167088
Why they didn't backpedal from Votann? Those seems worst.

>>98167122
The Destinyfags love them.

>>98167101
I love shoulder mounted guns & rotary cannons, but that's not a commander's weapon.

>>98167088
>I'm surprised GW didn't backpedal from the Primaris flop.
When primaris first released, we got a shitload of weird units.
Now the latest units have been remakes of existing ones. There absolutely has been backpedaling, it's just an awkward one as they try to navigate the split fanbase they created with the little talent/skill they have left at the helm.

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>>98167050
I hate bolt rifles with a passion. Piece of shit gun that has no reason to exist other than to shit over the iconic boltgun. They should just make this the new standard boltgun pattern and squat bolt rifles forever.

>>98167088
Primaris saved GW from bankruptcy

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>>98167120
>"Tacticals" is a weird name, I think it's a bit too much 21st century military,
It's been in use a long time actually. Modern military is stuff like saying "operations" or "operators".

>>98167088
Primaris, Guilliman and the change of tone of 40k were a economical decision, and a successful one considering the people is asking for more Primarchs.

>>98167130
No they didn't. 8th edition rules reset did that. They could have released updated Firstborn designs and done even better.

>>98167088
>120 weekly contributions
Lol that's nothing

>>98167140
cope harder redditor

>>98167054
Link to the first server? Not off-topic if it's a 40k server afaik

>>98167104
>and sucked massively for it,

DoW2 did certainly not suck. It was not DoW1, thats all. People expected DoW1 gameplay, and got something else, and did not like it because of that, but DoW2 is an excellent game.

>>98167129
How does a bolt rifle existing "shit on" the boltgun?

>>98167145
You need to get better bait than this, literally everyone knows reddit likes primaris.

I preordered

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>he bought?

>>98167151
Doing your part, thank you for your service.

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Ork bros eating good this year

>>98167149
gee really? Your own post was about how primaris are unpopular on reddit while firstborn are

>>98167158
I might have to get an extra ork half just for kitbash fodder

>>98167088
tldr?

I want the Librarian and the Chaplain but I'm worried that their shoulderpads are molded to their arms.
If they are, I'll just pass. I wanted to put a Salamanders pad on the Libby and Deathwatch on the Chappy.

Ork models look like shit ngl, worse than snaggas all around.

I just want to ork half of the new set, is it looking worth it to just wait and get it off marinefags selling off what they dont want?

>>98167158
Prices are good. I might get 100 boyz.

>>98167140
>They could have released updated Firstborn designs and done even better.
Not really.

Making old designs only appeals to old grogs. Which is bad for sales because these people already own an army, and the people who own multiple armies, like 3 or 4, are a minority, not the majority. A person who already owns 60 tactical marines is not going to bother buying new kit of tacticals when he has 60 of them. Especially, if the rules and base sizes stay the same.
Meaning they don't need any of the shit you're trying to sell. They wouldn't even need shit like a new techmarine sculpt because they can just build a techmarine from their massive pile of shame.
And GW is fully aware of this.

This is the reason why they made primaris and appealed to the younger generations by making primaris. It was to capture a new demographic and generation of whales who'll buy their plastic crack.
And they needed to do this because they know the average grog is in their 40s or 50s, meaning at best they have like 20-30 years to live.

>>98167173
Definitely, my LGS's discord has been popping off all day with marine players looking for an Ork player to buy the Orks.

>>98167169
>worse than snaggas
impossible. those are the worst ork models to ever exist, across all warhammer settings. made me stop playing orks since 9th edition.

>>98167088
Primaris signalled a change in the tone of 40k that ended up being more successful. With the new noblebright marines came shit like primarchs, Not to mention the primaris being more like aspect warriors where whole squads just carry 1 type of gun rather than like tactical squads also contribute to GW continued desire to simplify the game down.
Simplifying the game + adding in big epic characters like primarchs are jsut GW jingling keys in front of the same type of people that love marvel movies to get them to buy the newest 50 cents of plastic marked up to 100 dollars.

>>98167187
nice. What are people typically selling them for?

>>98167190
not the anon you're arguing with but im mixed on the snaggas. the infantry are middling, the boss on foot is too busy, the big rig is not good in my opinion, but all the hog riders and the hog bosses and nobs are pretty good, they're dynamic, fun, not too overloaded with details like the infantry. i really like the hog riders

>>98167198
I'm not sure, the rules of the store is that you're allowed to post what you're offering but the sale has to be done in DMs.
I think a lot of the Marine guys are looking for the Ork player to pay 33% and let the Marine player keep the books and whatnot.

Any word on the Word Bearers kill team?

>>98167133
"Tactical insertion" is very 21st century.
Did they say "Tactical X" in the 17 century? In the time of the ancient greeks?
Tactica Squad is already an improvement

>>98167130
1) I don't think so
2) maybe they should have gone bankrupt

>>98167207
got it, thanks

>>98167148
Because the only reason it exists and the only thing it does is make the boltgun obsolete to the point that the only unit in the entire fucking army that uses the most iconic weapon for said army is... scouts.

>>98167198
>noblebright
What is it with this board and stamping 'noblebright' on everything? It's not that everything not grimdark becomes noblebright. It's not a binary between these two choices.

>>98167215
Anon this might surprise you but 40k is set in the future and tactical squad has been a thing since 1987. Replacing it with "intercessor squad" is at the level of stupid rebranding of replacing twitter for X.

>>98167227
I think it's because saying "noblebright" is the equivalent of saying "this isn't grimdark and is moving too far from it".

It's not technically correct but the sentiment is.

>>98167212
I imagine they would have lots of words since they are word bearers.

>>98167227
Having epic heroes sweep in to save the setting definitely moves the needle towards noblebright rather than grimdark. And the primaris being this improved marine force immediately being rolled out with almost no flaws(originally they even had immunity to stuff like blood angel's black rage). In old 40k it felt like even the best of characters was an asshole in some way and every faction had some awful thing to them(except tau originally and people hated them for it.)

>>98167183
>Making old designs only appeals to old grogs. Which is bad for sales because these people already own an army
This would make an ounce of sense if we didn't have terminators and the refreshes of every single other army to disprove it. Or if marines weren't always the newfag army and this veterans having models meaning very little when 90% of sales still come from new players.

>>98167229
1) shove that passive agressive shit up your ass
2) late 20th century, 21st century, same shit, I'm old
3) I already said "intercessor" is ass and "tactical" is superior, friendly fire will not be tolerated

I added my 2 cents, I didn't disagree

>>98167245
I don't tolerate a single word of primaris defence. Do better.

>>98167183
>Making old designs only appeals to old grogs.
Explain the amazing HH sales then and why their plastic Marines are being constantly used to proxy for Primaris in 40k games.

>>98167249
Saying "tacticals" isn't perfect doesn't affect how garbage "intercessor" is. Get a grip you twat.

>>98167107
>The whole theme of the marine side is going back to manlet designs
This is what they say in marketing but looking at the actual models all it amounts is 5 mk7 helmets with primaris ears in the entire boxset. That's not "going back".

>>98167120
>They're being remade
I'm skeptical dude. I think they're going to eventually remove all tread vehicles from Space Marines and just give them hover everything, and give Chaos Marines Daemon Engines for all vehicles.

>>98167234
Letter Openers
Noun Callers
Verb Herders
Dictionary Carriers

>>98167158
don't play orks but i'll probably grab a big boss to paint
love that model

>>98167241
>>98167255
If primaris was just a rescale and the lore behind it was just a new armor it wouldnt be that bad because it would be easier to rollback some of the changes they made. As it stands, being entirely new types of marines(who are bigger and better in every way and were just sitting in storage) makes it impossible to completely revert

>>98167129
>Piece of shit gun that has no reason to exist other than to shit over the iconic boltgun.
It feels like most IPs are run by people who hate the fact that everyone likes what was made by someone else before they came onto the scene and so they have to destroy it somehow to leave their own mark.

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>>98167220
Note that Space Wolves got their normal bolters back. The new Grey Hunters do not use bolt rifles, and canonically SW shouldn't even be using intercessors after the initial Cawl made marines were absorbed.

Asking my questions about the 11th ed rules again

>Page 35: Close Quarters Shooting
Is there anything that prevents eligible units from being able to shoot at units outside the combat they're in?
And also
>Eligible if: Engaged and did not make an advance move this turn
How would a unit that made an Advance move this turn that's being selected to shoot already be engaged with an enemy? Charging happens AFTER shooting

>Sidenote about a unit Indirectly Firing still being able to shoot other guns at other targets
But the 'Select Shooting Type' rules sound like you have to pick one mode when you pick each unit? So would expect all the non-indirect weapons just can't be used

Page 42: Sidenote about more units becoming eligible to fight after consolidation
Seems written as if all the fighting happens in turns before everyone consolidates in a rigid way, but then after consolidation new units are able to fight out of sequence? Do we take turns with those too the same way? Do they in turn consolidate?

Page 65: Combat Disembark
What situation forces this to be used?

>>98167054
>lgbtq flag
They are not there to roll dice, talk about painting or discuss their lore. They are there to tell you about their transition

>>98167220
>Because the only reason it exists and the only thing it does is make the boltgun obsolete
Seeing that phobos and many kits still use the boltgun, this whole statement is just false.

>>98167276
>What situation forces this to be used?
If a unit can't legally disembark from a transport without becoming engaged.

Should I focus on Enclave Tau or Grey knights? I almost have 1000 pts in each army, I might learn to play in 2 months when my local warhammer league starts up again.

>>98167183
>Making old designs only appeals to old grogs.
"Old stuff is only liked by old fans"
"You aren't actually a fan of 40K, you're a fake grog"
"Primaris and Femmarines are the most popular 40K models ever"
"I'm glad that old40K is dead, things like Rogue Trader were problematic, except the bits that support my beliefs, but nothing else"
Any more "Buy new thing!" arguments from you today?

>>98167084
probably the dorn
urban setting the malcador doesn't have a true turret and it's bigger and it doesn't have a melta spam option
wide open terrain dorn has a longer range gun that none of the malcador variants can match
i guess the malcador could win if they had specific terrain to benefit it since guns within 48" but not within 36" range are better (or however you want to abstract it in universe)

>>98167287
Which one do you find more fun to play? Or more fun to paint.

How badly is the defiler getting defiled in 11th?

>>98167084
>>98167295
and i know you removed the leman russ previously but i think 10 russ vanquishers is pretty much set up to win this in universe as long as it's not strict urban combat

The way they handled primaris was just silly.

if it was simply Cawl updating their armor, nobody would have really cared. It would make sense and you would have the same marines wearing fancier stuff, no problem. But instead they did this weird thing where all the primaris were actually in stasis or some shit, and we're AKSHUALLY the first marines and all older than you guys and we remember the Imperium from before, and you have to almost die in a risky surgery to join us but that actually doesn't matter since every named character did it fine....

It's a perfect example of GW doing the extra, unnecessary, and stupid route that people ended up not liking, when Cawl simply handing you a better gun was an option the entire time.

>>98167272
Still bolt carbines as a separate weapon which is equally retarded. Just call it a boltgun. It looks good. It looks like a boltgun. Unlike bolt rifles. What's the fucking point of it being a separate weapon other than to purposefully shit on the classic gun?

>>98167283
Neither tactical or rapid disembark say they can't be used when that's the case

>>98167281
You'll notice it says bolt carbine instead of boltgun.

>>98167287
whatever you're closest to finishing an army with
this is miniature wargaming, you're not going to miss out or something and you'll eventually finish the other army so you might as well finish the one that lets you play the fastest

>>98167298
I've never played either, I like painting both, only thing stopping me from getting more Grey Knights is the fact that alot of their models are old and may get a reset. I'm thinking I may just have to try playing both before spending any more money.

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>>98167229
>Replacing it with "intercessor squad" is at the level of stupid rebranding of replacing twitter for X.
There's nothing stupid about it, at least from a business perspective.
Aside from the fact that new units provide something beyond merely updated sculpts of old models saleswise as mentioned by another anon before, there's also the experimentation to keep in mind.
Let's use the stormcast for example, for obvious reasons they're a very good space marine analogue.
When they came out their design was, again for obvious reasons, quite polarizing. So, in AoS' 2nd edition they tried something new with the Sacrosanct (the wizard guys), an entirely new aesthetic and vibe for stormcast. All new units, though of course even 1st generation stormcast ("fatcast") were only a couple years old by then. Again, mixed reception. So, in 3rd edition, they tried again. This time called "Thunderstrike" stormcast, changing up the proportions and some of the design elements again (less art deco greco-roman, more soulslike knighty). Again, totally new units, even if the roles were actually very similar. The new basic guys were "vigilors" instead of "liberators", the terminator equivalents were called "annihilators" instead of "paladins" etc. This time however, the design stuck.
So, what happens in 4th edition? They refresh the original 1st edition fatcast units with the 3rd edition thunderstrike designs. So no 4th wave of new stormcast units, but a direct update of the 1st wave. Only when they knew they had finally settled on a widely liked design, did they commit.
And at the same time, they squatted the 2nd edition 'failed' sacrosanct design.
Making the primaris different units was the exact same. If they didn't catch on, they would've simply tried another variant in 9th edition, and so on until they were ready to commit. If primaris didn't work, they would've simply squatted them like happened to sacrosanct. But of course they were massively succesful, so they never had to.

>>98167291
I only said this
>"Old stuff is only liked by old fans"
Rest is just fanfiction you made up.

>>98167304
How does naming it something slihtly different 'shit on' the classic gun exactly

>>98167287
Grey Knights are either getting new models or getting dumped into Imperial Agents in this edition or the next, so I'd abandon them and focus on a future proof army. Unless you really don't like Tau for some reason, I think the changes of [Pistols] to [Close-Quarters], and the datasheet for the Twin Lance, means they're going to improve crisis suit close quarter shooting in their 11th codex, especially with whatever Farsight Enclave detachments they have. So you may have more fun finishing up that army and being familiar with it when their codex comes out.

>>98167303
The rubicon surgery shit is the biggest tell that it was just a cashgrab. Making sure all the most profitable characters continue on
>>98167313
Yeah you should definitely play before spending more money lol

>>98167241
>This would make an ounce of sense if we didn't have terminators
Primaris fans also like terminators. Making primaris terminators was one of the more popular conversions/kitbashes to do before we had the new official kit.
>and the refreshes of every single other army to disprove it.
Only marines matter to this discussion since new people GW want to appeal to are only looking at marines.
Everyone knows this, marines are the newfag army of 40k. Not eldar or necrons or orks.

>>98167303
Yeah, if they had just done "Guilliman's awake and amending the codex for new types of squads with new armour and weapons crafted by Cawl, and oh by the way, Marines are truescale now" the while Primaris thing would have gone over just fine.
That they went with "Cawl had these super special awesome chocolatey fudge-coated chad marines in a closet for 10,000 years and just forgot about them but they're totally better, stronger, faster and smarter than all the marines you know" was part of why they were so roundly hated when they came out.

>>98167307
Read the rules for unit "Set Up" that the disembark rules references in step 2. Combat Disembark provides an exception for the 2nd bullet point of that section that Tactical and Rapid must adhere to.

>>98167316
It's all the same argument
There is no reason to replace firstborn
All your justifications are done in post

>>98167314
>All new units, though of course even 1st generation stormcast ("fatcast") were only a couple years old by then. Again, mixed reception
Sacrosanct were universally prised and loved. They are one of the big factors for 2nd edition being considered the best AoS edition by many, perhaps even by majority.

>>98167317
As I said I'm fine with the design. Pretending it's a different weapon by giving it a different name and different rules out of spite just to shit over the classic gun is what pisses me off.

>>98167260
Did we get any new grav tanks since the initial wave?

>>98167303
I think they know they fucked up, because they've been pushing Chaos toward the same scale as Primaris without any lore reason.

>>98167331
>with new armour and weapons crafted by Cawl
This needs to go too.

>>98167341
Yeah I'm asking how is it 'spiteful' or 'shitting' on anything

>>98167272
Has anyone saved the pictures of these miniatures with ai-swapped colours for different chapters? They actually look decent.

>>98167342
Impulsors were the last. And they are so unnecessary that the moment GW lifts the transport restrictions on rhinos nobody will ever use them again. Same reason nobody uses normal repulsors over land raiders. Executioners are the only ones with an actual niche.

>>98167309
My tau are the closest to 100, I bought my friends brother's tau army 14 years ago and they were sorta 3/4 painted already, so I just finished up painting them. Luckily his brother's skill level is the same as mine so it wasn't hard to mimic his scheme at all. I have more tau models I need to paint soon once I'm done with my 10 grey knight terminators.

>>98167331
>the while Primaris thing would have gone over just fine.
no, it wouldn't, people would lament about the new scale invalidating the old scale, or the loyalist scale being different from the chaos scale, or the new armours and weapons being new

>>98167314
>Only when they knew they had finally settled on a widely liked design, did they commit.
This is bullshit. As this Anon said >>98167338 Sacrosanct were an enormous success and them being squatted caused an outrage in the community. Thunderstrike polarised SCE players quite deeply, they were everything but "widely liked".

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:( I'm sad now. RIP big man

>>98167357
>people would lament about the new scale invalidating the old scale
Almost no one lamented about the new CSM invalidating the whole CSM range at that time.

>>98167357
Faggots who want to bitch will always bitch no matter what they're given.
Especially the whole "new bad, old good" all the time simply because there is a new thing to bitch about.

>>98167357
>people would lament about the new scale invalidating the old scale
This isn't real. It didn't happen with CSM or 30k. Marine scale was inaccurate. Fixing that never had any pushback.

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the primaris/anti-primaris argument is so fucking lame and gay, stfu

>>98167369
Not until primaris are removed entirely.

>>98167369
The anger sustains me

>>98167314
>picrel
Sigmarines were funny, but holy shit the 2024 version onwards sucked all of the soul. If not for the helmet and hammer these are fucking generic AF, and even then it's still pretty fucking bland.

>>98167352
Because it's making the original gun obsolete and removing it from the army? Taking away the most basic, iconic and core parts of anything can only be done out of spite.

>>98167255
HH doesn't have amazing sales. Most of it are just from bitter oldfags who just changed system and are still giving GW money.

>>98167355
I might get an impulsor and repulsor one day for some variety in my firstborn/primaris mixed army

>>98167369
>ignore/mute post

>>98167369
I've been complaining about sprint in Halo for 16 years I can do this all day.

>>98166993
TQ: i haven't given James any money since seventh edition and i'm still enjoying the hobby.

>>98167372
>>98167375
>>98167382
>>98167384
your hairline will thank you if you stop waaaaaah-ing

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>>98167378
i really disagree. you've only been looking at basic ass liberators and it shows

>>98167303
>when Cawl simply handing you a better gun was an option the entire time.
You say that like they use the exact same munitions...

>>98167380
Its just changing the name slightly ultimately
There's so many different bolters now, boltgun is more a wide category of weapons, they could just think that every subweapon within it should have a more specific name

>>98167308
They are still boltguns
>b-but name
GW is retarded. Acting like an oldfag, you sure are fucking new and clueless.

>>98167337
>It's all the same argument
It's not.

Is 27 Celcius and 69% humidity a good weather for open air spray priming?

>>98167391
My flowing locks are fine. The trick is knowing you are right.

>>98167368
>>98167361
because the csm updated themselves almost completely all together

>>98167393
And these were also held back by their gold+blue lame colours mostly. They are really good models, if "huge armored fantasy knight" is a theme you enjoy.

>>98167338
2nd being peak has little to do with sacrosanct come on now.
>>98167358
>Thunderstrike polarised SCE players quite deeply
Very true, but that's no who GW wanted to convince...

>>98167391
My hairline's a lost cause so it's okay

>>98167314
No fucking way that’s a 25mm base

>>98167398
>>98167400
Bolt weapons are a category. Boltgun is a specific weapon. The only reason there's so many bolt weapons these days is because they refuse to give marines an actual boltgun so they inventes two dozen retarded weapons that shouldn't be a separate thing.

>>98167408
temp is fine, humidity is not

>>98167408
>69% humidity

I'm gonna say no

>>98167425
Boltgun is just a gun that shoots bolts. It's no more complicated than that.

>>98167427
>>98167428
What would be good humidity?

>>98167416
> if "huge armored fantasy knight" is a theme you enjoy.

i mean, we're in the 40kg, i imagine thats probably 70% of the people here lol

stormcast have always lived and died by their elite units and monsters, almost nobody even fields the basic guys. people say they are space marines in fantasy but they are closer to custodes the way they play. veeeery low body count, very low overall wounds on the table, but elite profiles and crazy damage. its like a custodes army that also has access to daemon primarch level monster characters

>>98167411
That's absolutely not fucking true, retard. First update was released in 2018 with BSF. Then we got basic CSM, Termies and Havocs in 2019 plus a few characters. Then there was almost 3-years long gap until we got Chosen, Possessed, Cultists and Prince in 2022. For a basic bitch Chaos Lord we had to wait until 2024 and Raptors were updated only this year. There are still updates missing - Termie Lord, Termie Sorc, Bikers etc.

>>98167440
between 40 and 50 ideally, too low or too high and the texture gets all fucked up

>>98167437
So a heavy bolter and a bolt pistol are the exact same thing, got it.

>>98167449
>>98167428
one of the reasons why I gave up on spray primers, I live in a very humid area, so I just use brush on primer, it makes my paintjobs a bit thicker looking, but it also allows me to prime bits to add to already painted models and have more consistent coats.

>>98167054
You will not be missed

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>>98167445
>That's absolutely not fucking true
>basic CSM, Termies and Havocs in 2019
that's what it means to get your marines updated almost completely at once, retard

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I’m slowly growing away from warhammer.

>>98167478
Will you go away from this general in a timely fashion?

>>98167478
Don't. I have not played a game since 7th edition because I just didnt like 8th but I still read warhammer novels and keep up to date with the rules.

>>98167478
Extremely slowly

>>98167475
>Loyalists got new Termies, Tacs and Devastators which means they are updated almost completely!
This is how retarded you sound.

>>98167478
I'm growing into it after my interest in video games died a very very slow death

>>98167493
Only instead we got updated terminators and squatted tacs and devs. Great deal...

>>98167478
And yet you continue to plague us, like a festering sore

>>98167490
>I don't play the games I just consoom slop!
that's called being a secondary
read a real book retard

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WIP Catachan kill team. What color should I make the lasgun bodies? Black, red, or green are all classics.

>>98167478
Will you take a lot of time to fuck off?

>>98167355
>Impulsors were the last
Gladiators would like to have a word with you

>>98167391
It's fine, in 10-20 years we'll be able to regrow hair without a trip to turkey
>>98167393
These are barely better really

>>98167478
I've already grown away from modern warhammer

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>>98167378
>we've reached the point where people are looking back at 1st ed AoS saying the newer stuff sucked out its "soul"
I can't... I can't do this... ahahahahah

>>98167556
>These are barely better really

yeah okay. why dont you take a break and come back when you're not all hopped up on 4chan contrarianism

I actually like facing tanky armies now that I've built my list to deal with them. I don't like facing hordes now though, can't imagine why.

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>>98167546
Unrelated wuff wip

>>98167408
Absolutely MUST be below 60% or you're gonna get resin clumps that give it a speckled texture, and ideally you want below 50% but low 50's at the hottest part of the afternoon can still work.

>>98167493
do you realise that the marine range is larger than the chaos range? that raptors were already more up to date compared to the rest of chaos marines, and that a number of chaos stuff is not simpler marines you'd need to update immediately if your aim is to bring the look of chaos marines to a new standard?

how out of touch are you?

>>98167558
If memes are your only source of information and you skipped the 2nd edition then it is no wonder you are having a hard time comprehending this.

>>98167574
Anon all Age of Sigmar is soulless nuGW fucking slop, it has been from the beginning and it still is today.

>>98167571
It wasn't until primaris decided to be retarded.

>>98167558
Goes to show how people invoking soul are fundamentally lost.

Uhhh my opinion correct.
Your opinion wrong.
Firstaris were the best marines.

>>98167579
Anon you are dumb.

>>98167579
Your opinion is so bad I want to bully you until you cum.

>>98167478
I haven't played a game of a modern edition since 8th. I just went back to old rules with a few friends. We use newer models when they get updated but 3rd or 4th rules. Been going great. I basically just laugh at the rules reveals and previews that get posted here now, it's all so fucking shit.

>>98167585
>>98167588
Are we being raided by the sigmar general trolling or something? What I said isn't even controversial. 99% of all 40k players have agreed on this since the day AoS 1st edition was revealed. It's been fucking absolute trash during its entire lifespan.

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>>98167579
>all Age of Sigmar is soulless nuGW fucking slop

lol. lmao

>>98167564
I'm still disappointed they took out older Nigel. Would have liked to keep him in his terminator armour and his new armour.

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>>98167597
>

>>98167597
>we
You have a rather outdated opinion and people ridicule you for a good reason.

>>98167598
>cherrypicks the very worst 40k models vs the very best AoS models
Now show the actual AoS equivalents of the Marines and Votann, the fucking Sigmarines and steampunk balloon dwarfs and fyreslayers.

>>98167581
>It wasn't
normal marines had 2 different kits of terminators instead of 1, 2 different kits of jump pack marines instead of 1, 2 different kits of marines on foot instead pf 1, and multiple special kits for blood angels, dark angels, ultramarines, space wolves and black templars

they weren't comparable, you're out of touch

I do like the rats in sigmar, but no one plays it so I'm not buying it

>>98167605
that was one character where the new model was good, but wasnt so good that it made the old one irrelevant, helped by the fact that his old model wasnt bad at all.

all the other characters were a massive improvement though. logan is probably the definitive best space marine character model in the game. tied maybe with helbrecht

>>98167598
rats are so fucking cool bros... I wish 40k had them.

>>98167615
Khadrons are honestly peak. Pirate dwarves should be expanded on more. Old Squats were always something I confused with ratlings.

>>98167633
>Khadrons are honestly peak. Pirate dwarves should be expanded on more.
It's a cool idea in concept but the models are fucking terrible.

>>98167620
Good, buy more primaris marines.

>>98167598
That picture is at least as retarded as his statement. For each garbage 40k model, there is one in AoS, and for each kino model in either game, there is one in the other.

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What's a good big model project for 11th edition Imperial Guard or Eldar?

>>98167656
hell no anyone with eyes can see the ratio is way worse for 40k

>>98167664
Only because Primaris exist, but 40k can proxy horus heresy marines

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>>98167558
>>98167582
The old sigmarines have more identity and are more fun than the new ones.

>contrarianism
I think refusing to look at the difference between the two is actually contrarianism
>It cannot be good/better, so you must be stupid (I refuse to acknowledge this fact)

>>98167664
Half your AoS range is overweight brown womyn and retarded elves and dwarves.

>>98167662
get a wroifknoight mate

>>98167650
never have never will

>>98167670
fair, what's a good Hoohuu unit to replace Blangel Sanguis?

>>98167378
>people unironically nostalgic for fatcast that everyone abhorred
This is a prime reason why "soul" is a meaningless word used by midwits.

>>98167478
I have grown away from keeping up with newer novels and fluff and from playing the game frequently. Im a paint-only fag now and only keep up to date with what new model releases are coming. We havent had news for new models in quite a bit since the whole 11th nrws wave but I dont mind it much since I already have too much stuff to get to as is

>>98167615
Are you implying Votann are better than Kharadrons? LOL

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>>98167687
>nostalgic
I've only took a proper look at them this year and it's only june

>>98167674
More than half yours are shitty Marines with different colours, pretty sad if you ask me.

>>98167673
>The old sigmarines have more identity and are more fun than the new ones.
It doesn't matter when their armour designs and details are overblown as sin.

And you already tried to use arguments about "identity" and "fun" in the previous thread and you were called out for the empty faggot you are, this is only another confirmation of that.

Stop wasting your time.

>>98167696
>>98167674
It evens itself out easily.

>>98167691
I'm implying they are about the same, but the guy who posted that image knew that which is why he didn't post any Kharadrons.

>>98167623
I dunno. Logan's new model is pretty anemic in its posing and he just looks tired.
Njal at the very least has the excuse that in one he's in regular runic armour, the other he's in terminator armour so he can fill different niches depending on which type of armour you want to bring him in.
That said, I am still salty over losing all Thunderwolf characters, even the generic ones.

>>98167698
It's just the armorfaggot. He does this always when primaris are brought up. He posts multiple essay long posts about armor that are practically empty. Just speaking a lot without saying much.
He once made 1 dreadnought edit and it has gotten into his head that people like him or find him funny or that he has any "authority" to speak on anything.

>>98167708
>That said, I am still salty over losing all Thunderwolf characters, even the generic ones.

You should not be allowed to voice any opinion about miniatures ever again.

>>98167698
You're right, I'll stop wasting my time when you're clearly so far up your ass you couldn't recognize truth if it hit you in the eye.

>>98167314
Isn't this true for the Phobos and Gravis types in 40k?

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>>98167615
im gonna be honest i dont think that comparisons doing you any favors either bro

>>98167723
Eat shit. I'm gonna love me thunder yiff cavalry all I want and there's nothing you can do about it.

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>>98167722
You know you've made it on /tg/ when you got faggots mad enough to post tailor made bait for you.

Let me pay rent if I'm gonna live in your head.

>>98167546
Not just any red, but a vibrant bright red

>>98167598
big oversized centrepiece models is literally the prime example of the nuGW slop you bonehead

is pretty crazy how easy is to bait people here with stupid shit... wish we could get more civil sometimes.

>>98167546
hmmm, I believe purple would go well with the green.

>>98167732
The dude with the big sword is cool, all other are riddled with details upon details.

>>98167736
You don't live in anyone's head rent free.
Everytime there's talks about primaris, you show up and then start shitting all over the place. And then very often also post that one crying dreadnought image that you over use, which just proves me right.

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>>98167763
>You don't live in anyone's head rent free.
>Proceeds to show that everytime he does his shitty little primaris bait he's hoping I bite
Cute

>>98167662
Well there is no big project for Guard unless you count the baneblade, but you sound like you need a Wraithknight.

>>98167615
>Votann
Good point. The Skypirate Dwarfs lack Destiny. We need to rectify this immediately

>>98167736
>reveling in the fact nobody likes him or shares his opinions
textbook contrarianism

>>98166993
>TQ
Best $320 leaf bucks I ever spent at the FLGS, Americans are getting fucked on their prices lmao

>Want to get Armageddon box
>Cat now needs surgery to get it's eye removed
Surely my kitty will remember the sacrifice I made in my time of need.

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Guys, explain the world spirit of Fenris. Where does it come from?

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>>98167725
>the truth is when I cry soul

>>98167756
ah yes, detail, the paintlets arch nemesis

>>98167812
Every planet has a world spirit, some get cultivated and cared for more than others, fenris was tended for a long time by the votann once.

>>98167813
It's better than the new ones.
You might not understand the difference between better and good.

>>98167812
It is born from the masculine desire to dunk on Magnus the Red.

>>98167822
>fenris was tended for a long time by the votann once.
Gork, is this true?

>>98167798
>nobody
>we
>after he just exposed himself as a 24/7 baitfag obsessing over anons
You know it's kinda creepy. Not sure how I feel yet about this discovery.

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Hive is an amazing book.
>no primarchs
>no space marines

Just people in a hive.


Szen-part of the Alphabetter gang. He wants to take over the gang, and eventually the Hive.

Blisser-part of the Alphabetter gang, has sort of become Szen's confidant and second.

Quilla-part of HiveDef command, working with Szen to start to make a move in the Hive. Also related to Orbiton, the last Domne.

Orbiton-the last planetary governor, overthrown violently by the Arbites because of corruption. Dead.

Cordel-insurgent from a rival hive on a secret mission

Carcey-disgruntled worker

Belia-part of the Guild, and is counselling for patience and against a rebellion.

Orquid-guard veteran, pretending to speak for the lower hives masses

Cherish + Loria-Cherish is a worker from the Neg who has been tasked with destroying the heads of the old Domne's statues to make way for the new. And Lorica is in charge of creating the likeness. Following in the footsteps of a famous architect, Trueflower.

Moler&Scuti-a local detective and an arbites chastener hunting down the perpetrators of a mass killing. They suspect a chaos cult behind it.

The Circle-A small group of excentric people who follow a being called The Prince.

Aphra, Theophania + Hennesor-the new governor and retinue. Aphra wasn't meant to be the new governor but now is due to Orbiton's replacement dying. Not welcome by locals

Ahmod-an ORPO (hive secret police) officer who is tracking down the source of the pyschic awakenings. Part of Garnet Platoon before, along with several other characters.

Garnet Platoon-several members seem to be connected to the wider plot: Freeda runs a weapons warehouse where weapons have gone missing, Sahid is Chief of Staff and Annjanu may have seen an inhuman creature in the tunnels.


Do not read if you dont want to know the ending:
only 2 of them survive. The rest gets eaten

>>98167830
>*Makes your head explode*
>"DAS A QUESTION FOR MORK YA GIT!"

>>98167819
arguably, the more details, the easier it is to slop on contrast paint

>>98167825
>It's better than the new ones.
No, it's objectively not, not with that weightlessness, not with those pauldron designs, not with how the armour flares to the point the model looks fat.

Blow it out your ass.

>>98167838
>Eaten
Tyranids?

>>98167822
>Every planet has a world spirit
Says who? Maiden world's world spirits are possible thanks to the crystalline structure, similar to a Craftworld's infinity circuit, that spans the planet and houses numerous souls of a naturally psychic race. Fenris does not have this.

>>98167832
Are you having a stroke? How many anons do you think you're talking with?

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>>98167860
Shut up, nerd.

>>98167855
Big sumo sun knights > generic golden warriors

>>98167856
The title is a very "subtle" hint. It becomes pretty obvious around the middle of the book, but it still seems there is some hope to defeat the genestealers, but then all hpe is lost when the actual nids arrive and pretty much the last couple of chapters is one PoV character after the other getting killed, and the whole hive gets blown up.

>>98167860
>Says who?
Realm of chaos the lost and the damned. Everything has a soul, even mountains, trees, rocks, and whole planets, it's just that the ways they think are so alien and slow that they are barely perceptible in mortal timeframes. But some are built different.

>>98167860
Lore.
I remember in the Fabius series, a mention of a world spirit and how it responded to its death.
Also, Erebus and Typhus gave Luthor some books that describe how the world spirits of the worlds that become the Primarch homeworlds called to the infant Primarchs as they flew through the Warp.

>>98166993
>40slop niggers put off making another trash heap board polluting thread until it sinks to the last page, difficulty: shower
You niggers need kys

>>98167877
>hive
>hive world
>hive fleet
Woah

>>98167877
Do people enjoy reading grimderp?

>>98167875
They're not "sumo", they're just fat and weightless, and the new models have more sun iconography.

>>98167889
Its about a hive within the hive. And a hive "without" the hive.

>>98167894
I do. Its not really "derp". Just a very bad ending. But not completely over the top or anything.

>>98167881
>warhammer slop is now officially pure shitjeet tier
Shocking given the state the island it seeps from.

>>98167896
Still more interested in getting old ones than the new one. They are more fun.

>>98167902
>now
when do you think realm of chaos got published?

>>98167662
Suicide (you should kys).

>>98167883
>Also, Erebus and Typhus gave Luthor some books

I'm not saying that its wrong, but i would not take books handed over by those two guys a legit source.

>>98167903
>OLD GOOD THO NEW BAD
>why
>IDENTITY SOVL FUN

>>98167832
Nigger, what are you talking about?

>>98167905
>reading shitjeetslop ever
Worse than being addicted to plastic suppositories

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>>98167832

>>98167618
>normal marines had 2 different kits of terminators instead of 1
True but CSM had obliterators and mutilators.
>2 different kits of jump pack marines instead of 1
Warp talons and raptors.
>and multiple special kits for blood angels, dark angels, ultramarines, space wolves and black templars
If you're gonna count those then count the DG, TS, EC and WE ranges. Basic marines and CSM were perfectly comparable until primaris.

>>98167913
I think you're just upset that people are finding fun in things you dislike. It's okay, you can enjoy the new AoS minis, I don't care.

>>98167930
I'd rather discuss the state of warhammer than post minis.

>>98167870
>bro, my wolf planet has a wolf god spirit, awooooo!
Who wrote this fucking shit?

>>98167934
>obliterators and mutilators.
who are so far removed from normal termies and marines that it doesn't matter if you bring them up to date together with the rest, and even then marines also had centurions and and chaos also got the obliterators updated roughly at the same time as their big wave, with mutilators removed for good measure.

>DG, TS, EC and WE ranges.
they weren't ranges, they had one unit each, and 2 of those had already been updated by the time chaos undivided got their big wave.

>>98167937
>I think you're just upset that people are finding fun in things you dislike
That's you, shitting and crying about NEW THING being worse.
And pissing and crying when asked to explain your stance because it's purely out of contrarianism.

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Remember when this hobby was somewhat affordable? Two of these boxes for 120 euros would be enough to give you a 2000 point army just 6 years ago. Even used markets had deals unlike these days when it seems that ebay is almost more expensive than brand new. I remember someone selling 53 chaos space marines for 40 euros in 2020.

>>98167945
Bill King, I think.

>>98167732
Kharadron mog the fuck out of votann
If he said fyreslayers he might have had a point.

>>98167955
I think it's you, shitting and crying about OLD THING being better.
And pissing and crying when told it's because it has more personality and is more fun.

Things get clearer when the projection is exposed.

>>98167961
you can still find good 2nd hand deals on ebay, but funnily enough, i listed a Start Collecting box earlier today for 130€. I know i bought it for 55 in 2019.
But MSRP for the included models is even more than 130 these days. It really is crazy.

>>98167971
"no u" doesn't work here, anons actually told you why the newer stuff is better, and not just through buzzwords or by crying soul like you keep doing.

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>>98167930
I’ll make that mini tank a bit bigger!
also, this guy is meant to be apart of a tribe of made up of oddboyz who’ve banded together to work as a sort of orky temp agency, being sent to ork tribes who are under hard times for a reasonable fee. they’re going to be pink and black, but I’m just not sure what they should be called and what their tribe symbol should be.