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>>98183302>How do you keep your spirits up in the World/Chronicles of DarknessHonestly? Not that hard unless you are like, a Wraith or Promethean. (And perhaps Lost Changeling since you are basically an abuse survivor)
>>98183641There's basically no game where the character you're playing has any reason to be happy about their state of being or the state of the world that they live in.
>>98183302fellow magechuds....how would i get a gaia's most racist red talon bf who calls me human slurs as he refills my quintessence with his gnosis
>>98183689Do a parasite cleanse. It'll get rid of your unnatural orientation
>>98183661Why? (Your statement is already false since basically all the splats allows you to play the bad guy that certainly doesn't mind the state of the world. Be it as a Fomori, Nephandi, Baali, Black Spiral Dancer, most Sabbat etc.)
>>98183808>Why?Name a game in WoD or CofD in which your average supernatural of that game (who isn't a bat-shit insane antagonist) is likely to be happy and positive about their state of being and the state of the world.
>>98183788what paradigm would using ivermectin fall under?technocracy? euthanatos?
>>98183689>be verbena (preferably already female to save on quint)>transform into female wolf in heat>go into the woods>????>profit
>>98183689By going on a vacation on M.E.C.H.A, trust.
>>98183820Mage?There are certainly enough orgies, private worlds and stuff to do that even in a hot Ascension War scenario they are certainly in a way better state than most of us here in RL.Even more depressing splats can have happy and positive characters too. Like Nuwisha in WTA where they have Humor as a stat and mostly believe the world is a joke by Coyote.
What does the New Moon do to garou?Eclipses?
>TQVices.
>>98184018Woofs born in a new moon become ragabashThose born under an eclipse are ahroun (same as full moon)
>>98184018I believe it also increases difficulties to frenzy, though that might just be me extrapolating since the full moon instead reduces difficulties to frenzy.
>>98183984Honestly, it's a matter of opinion whether these activities as lifting your spirits, or distracting yourself from the awfulness of the outside world. Every mage possesses far stronger beliefs than the majority of humanity, in a world that has been tricked into being hostile to those beliefs. They might be able to drown themselves in magical cocaine in another dimension, but the actual world is a really depressing place for most of them to live in.
What clan and sect would you suggest for a history professor turned OSS agent who was embraced after his time as an OSS agent come Halloween 1945? He has the following attributes for V20:Physical is tertiary, with strength, dexterity, and stamina at 2. Social is secondary, with 1 in charisma, 4 in manipulation, 3 in appearance. Mental is primary, with 3 perception, 4 intelligence, and 3 wits.Looks like an older Andrew Graves as a bonus.
>>98183661>Average Syndicate manager making fat stacks while his 10/10 bodyguard HIT mark is riding his dick.Bro, your mages?
>>98184105Setite or Lasombra..
>>98184147Mage is a game that relies heavily on imagination. Most anons are too autistic to imagine themselves in anything other than a miserable situation.
>>98184148I considered Tremere for Camarilla, since a Southerner who was a history professor and OSS spy probably feels at home with the Warlocks. Lasombra I'm mixed about, as you have to be an extra amount of asshole to be one. Ventrue Anti is an option, but he's not a frontline fighter like the Crusaders probably want. Definitely doesn't love money enough for the mainline Ventrue.
>>98184172>Lasombra I'm mixed about, as you have to be an extra amount of asshole to be one.Not at all, you only need to be a specoal kind of asshole to be Sabbat Lasombra. Lasombra Antitribu can be whatever you want them to be.
>>98183821Outside of on-label treatment for parasites?Brainwashed mortals.
>>98183302What's the point of playing fucking Mage?>Want to set fire to some shit: LE PARADOX!>Want to revive someone: LE PARADOX!>Want to build a shack with magick: LE PARADOX!>Want to mind control someone to have sex: LE PARADOX!>Scratch your balls-: LE PARADOX!Meanwhile wolves and vamps just appear out of nowhere and slash someone in two with their motherfucking powers. This sucks.
>>98184391if you have such a issue with paradox just go marauder
>>98184391Pictured: an hermetic “mage” has realized the folly of his choice and wants out
>>98184207Zoom classes would be a nightmare for a Lasombra. With Tremere, I just need to hide the funny occult books.
Were there any bona fide vampires in pre-contact America?Or just a bunch of temu werewolves (forma de jaguar)
>>98184391Lmao, just embrace the scientific paradigm.
>>98184391You need to play in games where the ST has suckled upon the Satyros cock and davebenis for wisdom, anon, and then you will finally experience Mage the Way It Was Meant To Be ST'd.
>>98184784there been but some of them still managed to be european somehow Menele and Nergal (going by Huitzilopochtli) being examplebut there was also a cappadocian bloodline (pisanob), gangrel, the tlacique and the drowned legacies these however only came in at the tall end of v20 in bjd and never got fleshed outMenele and his brujah also kept to the native tribes of north america so in south and middle america you mostly had baali,(from negral) cappadocians and tlacique who all claimed to be priests of different gods and wandering gangrelbeside that and fera you also had two unqiue dynasties mummies one from mexico and one from south america, both banes and earthbounds and at least one unqiue shadowlands afterlife ruled by quetzalcoatl no idea about fae. ctd is not my cup of tea
>>98184162>Mage is a game that relies heavily on imagination. Most anons are too autistic to imagine themselves in anything other than a miserable situation.Guilty as charged, every time I make a character with a life that doesn't suck I feel weirdly indulgent. Mage is just of those games where it is very easy to make your character the shittiest kind of OC
furry mpreg is canon in cofd lmfaodoes this top rudi in woketardation?
>>98184949Are there gender bender werewolf powers?
What's a good source of info on SchreckNet?And is it something that someone could hack into (with a high enough Computer ability, maybe?) or does it have some kind of Obfuscate or Blood Thaumaturgy protection?
>>98184391Just use coincidental magic>>98184719Lasombra have Dominate so if you get Dominate 5 you could always use a ghoul or blood doll as your zoom "avatar"
>>98184953>Are there gender bender werewolf powers?In Forsaken? yeah.Apocalypse blocked that type of stuff because it poked too many question on how the Furies would handle it and how it would interact with the breeding rules.On paper Luna's Embrace would be a level 1 metis gift or a level 3 fetish at most.
>>98184910Appreciate the knowledge, friend
How do ordinary martial arts maneuvers, the Do of the Akashic Brotherhood (but for Mortals only, not anything you need to be Awakened for) and the different Qiao of the Shih compare with each other? Anything you'd particularly recommend picking up or NOT picking up for a "mortal martial artist" Hunter concept?
>>98183661>vampire>ahhhh my humanity ahhhhh i must drink blood before i lose control ahhh>werewolf>ahhhh gaia is dying because my ancestors were himbo retards but i must raaaage>mage>hehe chimiage with p̶o̶k̶e̶m̶a̶n̶s̶ spirits frens with trans-gauntlet abilities to avoid paradox goes brrrrrrrrrr
>>98184784Lasombra Revised speculates about them having original bloodlines.
How do bonuses that multiply or divide a value stack?Let's say I have something that allows me to complete a Crafts project in a third of the time (I think there was a changeling birthright like that, so it should be a decent example). If I then get from elsewhere something that allows me to cut Craft time in half, what would happen?Would the bonuses stack multiplicatively for a 1/6 modifier? Or would they stack additively for a 1/5 modifier?
>>98185047Qiao are the best option, its absolutely fantastic by mortal/Numina standards. A well-built Shih can stick his hand through a Garou's chest. Mo Kung, Feng, and Shi are especially recommended if you want to be a kung fu master whose purely 'human'. Ideally you'll want Mo Kung, Feng, and Shi plus Martial Arts or Do maxed out to 5.
>>98185099A garou? They're *that* strong?Tbh I was a little worried that it might not worth the bang for the buck, the kind of thing that looks cool on paper but in practice you are spending a lot of resources while getting less successes than you thought you wouldThanks a lot for the info. Do you have any other advice?
>>98185198>A garou? They're *that* strong?nta but especially if they have their toj stuff then Shih can reach some exalted level... for a short time while burning out even worse than usual. like a imbued with 5th dot edges but turned up to elevenand they aren't bad even without that and have nice themes of vengence (a lot fo shih travel to avenge their former mentor's death at the hand of a splat) and humanity going further than should be possible with pure willpower. people just don't care about them because they are the hunter counterpart to kuei jin and most of the time also tend to hang around Asia onlybut i put on one the red list before and he certainly did his job in that chronicle
>>98185198Can doesn't mean its easy. But yes, a high-end Shih can absolutely fubar stuff like vampire Ancilla and Fera of middling rank if he gets the jump on them. Their kung fu is the best you'll find on an 'ordinary' human.
>>98185047Speaking of martial arts, are there ways to knock out people with violence other than filling all health levels with bashing damage?Thinking of situations like sneaking up on a guard that hasn't seen you and knocking them out before they can cry out an alarm, or punching out a violent untrained civilian.
>>98185218ToJ Shih get huge Chi pools that don't cost them health, so they don't burn out at all. They're basically demi-Solars. No perfects, persistents, or any of that stuff but you can rush 300 MPH and kick through a steel beam so you know. Bitching.
>>98182683Well this should be useful as a frame of reference for what the stats are like at high levels even if half of it sounds mummy only.
>>98185288All of that is Mummy only. The Mummy book clarifies that while Methusaleh can achieve similiar results through their Disciplines, high Attribute bonuses are a Mummy only thing.
>>98185288that's mummy only because hekau only works on stat boosts and they don't have counterparts to physical disciplines or rage and forms and such so they need something extraeven mage who buy superman stats as a merit or sorcerer's who use alchemy in very much the same way (especially the ossiran and isis cultists) don't get those
>>98185290>>98185388Fair enough.
>>98184147My fault for assuming that you're playing a default character belonging to one of the protagonist factions, rather than a self-centered antagonist.
Appearance as a stat being taken out is one change i don't blame any of the later versions for doing
if they bring back the sabbat do you guys think they will try to walk back the whole lasombra join the camarilla plotline?
>>98184391Realise that in all editions, even the dreaded Revised, Paradox is only a significant issue if you botch. /wodg/ likes to blow negative consequences like Paradox out of proportion and pretend that you'll get turned inside out for blasting someone with a fireball in front of a Sleeper, but that's just not going to happen. Nine times out of ten, even if you botch, there's likely not going to be any consequences other than a migraine and some soakable bashing damage for your character.
>>98185232One interaction I'm curious about is how numina react to each other.Tale Shih Training and True Faith(Inquisitor version) for example. If a shih has true faith, does that mean their chi pools get expanded to match their superhuman virtues(6-10)?What abput Mana and Chi? Does a mana score give Shih a pool of chi to draw from other than their literal blood(Chi pool and Blood pool are the same thing, a shih with 1 chi left would only give 1 bp if drained by a cainite.)The demon hunter X book itself points out that these overlaps can happen. The Shih's most legendary wartior was both a Shih and a Sorcerer.I feel like ypu could combine the disparate human numina and create what amounts to a Solar Exalted in WoD(though much weaker).
>>98184391I've only read mtsc, to my casual understanding Scourge doesn't seem like that big of a deal unless storyteller is an ass+you're asking for it+you roll poorly+you cast in the wrong neighborhoodit might also decide to give you a handjob instead
>>98185468I do wonder what Mage games would look like if Paradox was a significantly greater threat.
>>98185500Paradox is at its most dangerous in Revised, which is pretty strict about punishing mages with Paradox due to the metaplot of the Technocracy having won. It's also reliant on the ST triggering backlash kind of frequently, otherwise it will quickly build up to lethal levels if the mage is regularly vulgar.
>>98185479Lesser Template Man is a plausible character. You could be a legendary hero whose a Shih, a sorcerer, a psychic, Kinfolk, with True Faith, and possessed by a spirit, and and and-But barring a broken combo its still not going to be *that* impressive compared to a full template because XP is XP. Yes a Shih with 500 XP into various lesser templates is bullshit but then...so is anything with 500 XP. Still a really fun thought experiment though.
>>98185560>>98185500When I ran my campaign I used Revised Paradox, but also got rid of 'Vulgar Without Witnesses' as a concept entirely and used primarily 2E lore. The result was powerful mages who did as they wanted until they botched or when doing things in public. Killed John Carpenter's the Thing in one plot and it was barely a miniboss, nearly got killed by African militants with ordinary ass guns in another while trying to steal the Ark of the Covenant in Ethiopia.
>>98184391>Want to set fire to some shit: LE PARADOX!Pretend your gun has dragonfire rounds.>Want to revive someone: LE PARADOX!Have them wake up screaming mid-autopsy and declare the patient had catalepsy.>Want to build a shack with magick: LE PARADOX!Just accidentally stumble on a shack in the woods or serviceable remains of a camping ground.>Want to mind control someone to have sex: LE PARADOX!This isn't even inherently vulgar, just use drugs or do some basic flirting to set it up.Also, genuinely vulgar casting is a non-issue unless you botch and do so fucking hard. Up until 10+ dox it's worth the risk.
A faggot the size of a house with zero respect for anyone's Masquerade or equivalent is about to go loud, "smash multiple skyscrapers" loud. Every manner of thing that goes bump in the night is holding a truce to stop him. Does your last character join up?
That girl whose OnlyFans you just gooned to? She’s actually a high-ranking Handler from the NWO’s Feed methodology.That sexy goth girl you frequently see hanging around the occult section your local bookstore that you’re too nervous to approach? Actually a NWO Gray Suit trying to infiltrate the local Hollow One cabal.That cute girl you share some classes with who always seems to want to help you out with studying and assignments? Actually a NWO Ivory Tower initiate scouting for potential candidates for the Union, while also getting her Finder’s fee in the form of a promotion.The NWO is everywhere. Trust no one. Except for me.
>>98183302Okay, so does fucking anyone have a comprehensive idea of what the Spirit Sphere can be used for in Mage? Like yeah, the basics are summoning spirits and traveling the gauntlet, but then you also have weird rotes like:>phasing through obstacles>walking without touching the ground>fast-travel via Songline>predicting the futureUnlike the other Spheres the actual limitations are pretty incomprehensible. I've also heard of STs allowing Spirit Mages to learn Gifts, but haven't seen any mechanics supporting it or even an example of a homebrew rule.
>>98185676my playes probably would but they would also very likely be annoyed because we just went through a arc where i dropped a some of these shits aka "Wyrmsects" from the world below into the city and made it their job to arrange the truce between vampires, mages and werewolves to hunt them
>>98185738The biggest advantage of Spirit is that it is literally Paradox-free after the initial set up. You enslaving/convincing/giving a blowjob to a Spirit is where you get the Paradox. Afterwards, Spirit themselves don't cause Paradox.
How would you set up a Tzimisce Revenant family in a 90's setting? Would it just be some Slavic hills have eyes situation or is there more depth to it then that? Should their culture be some bubble of time from hundreds of years ago or would they have something at least approaching the 1900s about them? How exactly are their inbred estates different to the Giovanni's?
>>98185957>Would it just be some Slavic hills have eyes situation or is there more depth to it then that? Should their culture be some bubble of time from hundreds of years ago or would they have something at least approaching the 1900s about them? the old ghoul book that says that revenants age slower by a factor of 4 with even the pregnancy lasting longer which also means that revenants are not shown to the public before they are adults and never enter the public school system so they need to be so far away from society that they could just 100% hide a kid from the authorities. their youngest adult is like nearly 80 and most are also ghouls>How exactly are their inbred estates different to the Giovanni's?beside the fact that not every revenant familly has the money to match the giovanni lifestyle?Giovanni and rossellini revenants are a minority in the familly and they actually somewhat keep a masquarade so a they do not learn that there are vampires before they are choosen for the proxy kiss. they know that there is SOMETHING special and that they need to be exceptional to be choosen by these special people and become special too but unless they show a gift for necromancy or something they are kept in the dark about what the familly is actually doing which causes mortal giovanni to often hyper focus on a field and hope that it's the right one (and there are some wrong ones like music and other fame related things) and that they are exceptional enough overachievers to be noticed and finally allowed to see what is behind the curtain and most don'ta revenant from a tzimisce familly who is raised in the familly (unknown and lost revenants are a thing in v20. not sure how given the age thing but technically that's not mentioned in v20...) knowns about the supernatural(one book has a 9 year old revenant join a lupine hunt) and they know that they have a tzimisce lord
>>98184784There's the main target of Diablerie: Mexico, a Gangrel Methuselah originally born in the Pacific Northwest, who eventually migrated down to Mexico and started god-LARPing. There's also a Gangrel Methuselah called the Sleeping Giant in Canada. Tlacique aren't V20 only, they first show up in the Setite Revised Clanbook. So there were absolutely pre-columbian Cainites in the Americas, but they never got fleshed out, probably because it'd be too much work. The Drowned Legacies thing was added last minute to give them a Laibon-esque title but hey, Laibon are also Cainites.
>>98186011Very interesting. So any "young characters" would have to be born during or around WW1 for it to fit with the 90s? That honestly has a very cool sound to it. Do they tend to have deformities given their Tzimisce masters or is that more a case by case basis? Regarding the wealth, my image would be some Adams family manor but slavic and more foreboding, hidden away in the Carpathians, rather then the more "regal" estates of the Giovanni. Sidenote but the Giovanni actually allow their children to specialise completely in the wrong area without even any guidance or hint? That is brutally Darwinian but very cool as well. So with the Tzimisce family it is a more "unified" system? How exactly do they choose standout members? Is it less cutthroat and more meritocratic then the Giovanni or is that looking at it the wrong way?
>>98183689Leave out a steak on your back porch, and spray your ass down with wolf in heat pheromones. That's what'd work on me.
>>98186103> Do they tend to have deformities given their Tzimisce masters or is that more a case by case basis?case to case, but remember some of them also have Vicissitude as infamilly discipline and they are mentioned as being better warghouls because of their own vitae>the Giovanni actually allow their children to specialise completely in the wrong area without even any guidance or hint? less their kids (vampire you know) and more their cousins and such, but yes> So with the Tzimisce family it is a more "unified" system? How exactly do they choose standout members? Is it less cutthroat and more meritocratic then the Giovanni or is that looking at it the wrong way?giovanni are chosen for the proxy kiss when a elder showing up and all the other giovanni trying to sell their mortal relatives as being deserving for it and then later another such meeting will happen where the vampires are trying to sell their ghouls as deserving for the embrace which will most of the time be granted by someone else to avoid the loyalty between childe and sire to be greater than that to the entire famillya revenant is meanwhile very likely to be ghouled upon adult hood and depending of the familly be put to work for the sabbat or become a retainer for their master or someone who works to keep the familly estate afloat and the domitor is the potential sire and sees the their preformance but unlike the giovanni you are not even on a vague timer and it's 100% up to this ancient alien vampire so if your master doesn't wants a childe you might never be become a cainite no matter how well you do as for being cutthroat? i would say no having a familly member choosen at least during the dark age was considered a great honor so some members have been gromed specifically for it (didn't always work however) and atleast in second edition there was still a part of the clan in modern times that only embraced from the revenant famillies
>>98186161ran out of space>as for being cutthroat? i would say no having a familly member choosen at least during the dark age was considered a great honor so some members have been gromed specifically for it (didn't always work however) and atleast in second edition there was still a part of the clan in modern times that only embraced from the revenant familliesso i would assume that this behavior is still in place and the familly is very likely to help a fellow revenant who caught a lord's eye because it elevates the entire familly... in the eyes of the familly and the few tzimisce who still care about itwell we are told that some other sabbat clans have also embraced revenants from tzimisce families before the biggest example being the Toreador and the Zantosa familly, but we don't really know much about how and why these embraces happen
>>98184784To add to others. Huitzilopochtli aka Shaitan kept vampire numbers low. (And also executed all Shapeshifters) Outside of Menele who managed to avoid being a meal to him.
>>98184960most books only had it as a really big internal network or rather several networks that started to grow together during the course of the metaplot so no magic (path of technomancy is was very new during revised) but also no hacking because there wasn't any connection to the usual normie internetBJD then made it just vampire darkweb with even shrecknet email addresses like -sigh->pete_jansen@schreckNET.nod being the email of a ventrue archon that you can just email and chat with from outside the network as beckett at one point really just messages a gmail from schrecknet...>From: beckettmnemosyne1@schreckNET.nod>To: c_da_man@gmail.comand v5 then had the feds hack schrecknet which if v5 schrecknet is based on bjd's schrecknet wouldn't even surprise me because the nosferatu apparently have worse cybersecurity than my work place (and half of my job these days is to complain about how shit our cybersecurity is)so just send out a chain emial to every @schreckNET.nod adress that says that they won a free iphone...
>>98185676>Does your last character join up?No, we both know that any compact level Hunter isn't going to achieve anything.
A few threads ago an anon posted about how the Setite, Lasombra, and Ravnos Weaknesses are a case of Vega/Balrog/ M. Bison and the more I think about it the more I agree, that shit is dumb. Do the Lasombra have a reason for the mirrors and electronics no work because "muh shadows" or the Ravnos their compulsion because "muh pajeets and gypsies"? The Setites at least KINDA have that thing with Ra being the Sun God = set is weak to light and fire, but it would really be much more thematic if it were:Lasombra Shadows - Vulnerable to Light and FireRavnos Illusionists - No reflections and recordingsSetite Vice Peddlers - Vulnerable to a viceYes, I'm aware the Setites are actually gnostics supposedly using sin to break their archon chains and peddling sin so you can transcend it, but even with that angle it works as an overcome your inherent weakness thing
>>98186161>>98186172Thank you for the in depth answers. I am looking at creating a rise to the top scenario similar to Black Crusade and was hoping to make it uniquely Tzimisce Revenant pov rather then a general Sabbat story. How big should the Revenant family roughly be?
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>>98183302Eating people. Also eating vamps’ souls and getting their sweet disciplines.Sometimes I cook their meat too, but the culinary techniques are surprisingly limited when the only seasoning you can use is salt extracted from the bodies.>>98183661Shark is the absolute proof of the contrary.Then again, he was created in a lab as a Kindred+He never had any humanity, family, ties, a past or whatever frivolities the cainite society shackles themselves with.And Shark has no care about the state of the world beyond consuming it. Well, it could always be improved with more carnage. Like a Second World War. Alas he is just stuck in Germany prompting Hitler’s party up, and raising hell with the Sabbat in Berlin. One can dream I guess?
>>98186901>Do the Lasombra have a reason for the mirrors and electronics no work because "muh shadows"Most clan weaknesses are the result of generational curses inflicted onto the antediluvian. I thought Lasombra's was tied to vanity. They cant see their own reflection so it fucks with their self image and makes it harder to hold onto their humanity. It could also be sort of a Cappadocius thing where the abyss claims a part of the Lasombra's soul so while their outward appearance is human, you can always see what they really are in their reflections.
>>98169128>I don't know if the reboot thing is still going on or not, but since it sounded fun: what do you think should be the essence of each splat, or at least those that you are most familiar with/enjoy the most playing?Demon: Evil is a natural function of the world; it is also an *unnatural* function of the world.Ghost: Suffering doesn't end with death.Mortal: If you're so powerless, why do they need you?>No need for details, just a mention of the theme, reference or whatever you think suits them. Like do you think Werewolf should be about protecting nature or about interacting with spirits? Do you think Mage should resemble the Matrix or Cultist Simulator? What do you think is the right "feel"?Demon is about being the secret underpinning of the world. Even without mortal institutions to corrupt, there are so many ways to cause destruction and disorder. Chaos reigns!Ghost should be about the typical ghost story, but told from a first-person perspective.
>>98187343>My character is the absolute proof of the contrary, because my character is an immoral monster who contributes to the misery of everyone trying to be sane and moral in the World of Darkness
>>98187760Yeah? I even made a point to personally antagonize the Toreador nun primogen with True Faith who has possibly attained Golconda. Ultimate good vs evil.The point was that anon said no character/splat in WoD is currently happy with their state being and the world they inhabit.It’s like saying that no one in 40k gets what they want or have any fun. The orks get both. They have all the wars they want and can always make more, or scrap between themselves.
Do we have any ways to increase the effective Willpower rating beyond 10 other than True Faith?
>>98187423>vanityI think Absy's got that niche covered with the Nossies. And while the old history of the Lasombra getting their ghouls to brush their hair 100 times and killing them if they get the number wrong is hilarious, I think that can be attributed to them being control freaks.>while their outward appearance is human, you can always see what they really are in their reflections.Eeeeeeh, I still think that's more thematic to piercing through a Ravnos trickster's antics. And if you wanna get the Abyss involved it can easily be >And thus Caine said "and to my childe that hid in shadow so too shall yer schemes be exposed by the light"Alternatively since Lasombra were pirates: Their Elders lovpic related trick.
>To create effective crack-exploitation code, the player makes a single Intelligence + Computer roll, difficulty 8. If that code has been created to access a specific system and do specific things, the difficulty is only 6, but the code will work only within the system for which it was designed.>Each success on the roll lowers the hacker’s difficulty by -1.I've been trying to look up hacking rules and best I found was in M20 Book of Secrets (please tell me if there's a better source that I missed)What happens if you get more than 3 successes in the Intelligence + Computer roll? Text doesn't say there's a limit on how much of a modifier you can get, but the side panel has that -1/-3 difficulty modifier. What do you think I'm meant to interpret?And only slightly related, what kind of Fetish do you think one would get from shoving a Net-Spider into a hacking program, virus or computer?
>>98187951There are like 3 merits that do that but only circumstantial bullshit.
>>98187951In 2e, you could get a Spectre to invest their Being into you.
>>98188000>What happens if you get more than 3 successes in the Intelligence + Computer roll? Text doesn't say there's a limit on how much of a modifier you can get, but the side panel has that -1/-3 difficulty modifier. What do you think I'm meant to interpret?Typically, -3 is the most significant modifier that any single factor can contribute to a roll. So according to that precedent, getting more than three successes on the code-writing roll is redundant.
>>98183808>That picKek. I love Sabbat Games of Instinct so much, man. One of my fantasy sessions is running a full on Sabbat Wacky Races demolition derby styled after Mad Max Fury Road. Customize your vehicle, take out or outrun the other racers, creative discipline usage and crazy weapons encouraged. Bonus points for high bodycounts or masquerade breaches for the Camarilla to clean up, but don't get left behind. The prize is the Elders' bodies whose staking will be facilitated by this massive distraction.
>>98188249>picIn that order: Ventrue, Tremere, Malkavian, Brujah, Giovanni, Tzimisce, Nosferatu, Setite, Gangrel.
>>98186901i'm pretty sure the lasombra bane is just a generic vampire trait because they couldn't think of a proper bane.the ravnos compulsion bane is a later addition, it used to be just kleptomania because they are "thieving wee gypsies"., then they broadened it to criminal activity and then they broadened it again to just a compulsion
>>98188436The original Ravnos bane from the 1e player guide was actually that they gave off an aura of unease that makes people suspicious of them.That's kind of been the throughline of their clan bane throughout the years: social ostracisation even among the outcast kindred.Aside from V5 where it's just forcing them to die, anyway.
>>98188453well, that's mildly embarrassing mistake on my end
>>98187981>I think Absy's got that niche covered with the NossiesYes and no. Nosferatu have to deal with the fact theyre repulsive monsters but atleast they can see what they are. Their punishment is more physical while a Lasombra has to deal with existential dread. Sit one in a room full of mirrors and it wont take too long before they start questioning whether they even exist.
>>98188503I'm pretty sure the Ravnos clan weakness has changed basically every edition.They never had any idea what to do with that clan.
>>98188249God I wanted to fuck Vanna Pira before i even knew what fucking was. Same thing with Thorn so maybe I just have a type.
>>98185425>My fault for assuming that you're playing a default character belonging to one of the protagonist factions, rather than a self-centered antagonist.But enough about the traditions.
Anyone else like to tug on their meat missile to some big fat vampire titties or is that just like a me thing??
After a month delay, my second session of Hunter: the Vigil took place last Thursday. Due to still being green with the system, the combat and ensuing actions took the entirety of the session.Good initiative sets the two outside the locked private room to go first. Mateus the bounty hunter goes first and shoots out the lock on the door, allowing Oscar the thug to barrel in and grapple the skin-thief wearing the real-estate mogul. An exceptional success allows him to hold and immobilize him in one fell swoop, which neuters his turn almost entirely. Gina the graduate student flips the heavy coffee table on the other skin-thief, and Robelle the stage magician uses her avoidance style merit to slip away and run towards the main area. The second skin thief fails to push off the coffee table and has to crawl out from under it. The second round has Mateus shoot the skin-thief by the coffee table in the shoulder while Oscar rolls another exceptional success on the grapple contest, allowing him to double chokehold the skin-thief he's got and knock it immediately unconscious despite it having 5 Stamina. Gina takes this as her cue to leave, but not before hitting the still conscious skin-thief with a chunk of the blown-off doorhandle. Meanwhile, Robelle jumps down to the first floor and stirs a panic, using the chaos to shroud her escape. The remaining skin-thief makes for the door but gets shot in the back by Mateus and thrown to the floor by Oscar. The two girls make their escape as the boys finish off the monsters before making their own retreat out the back of the building. The boys exchanged contacts, and we ended the session there.
>>98188526Supreme Taste anon. I saw the Hex Girls in The Witch's Ghost back in the day and it was all over for me from then on.
>>98188997The problem I'm currently facing is that I don't exactly know how to pull together these four and KEEP them together. I've got ideas for more individualized plot hooks, but what exactly do you do to keep a cell cohesive together? It's been nearly a week already and I haven't really found an answer yet.
>>98188722I feel you anon I really do
>>98185581Who said anything about templates? None of that kinfolk/dhampire/possession shit, those aren't numina.Numina are the skills literally ANYONE can use, sorcery, true fsith and shih quao. Maybe psychic powers, but I'm not 100% sure if those actually learnable or an innate thing with how inconsistant the lore is there.Being frank though, 90% of a numina's build power would be true faith. Inquisitor powers scale exponentially the same way imbued edges do, but don't have a hard-cap on number of powers or any drawbacks for learning the high dot abilities. A starting inquisitor could become a judge(their equivalent of an imbued extremist) in like 6 months by just going to church on sundays....Actually, why the fuck is the societu of leopold a minor faction? They canonically use the inquisition rules.
>>98188722I would say it's an understandable desire.
>>98187535Let's continue with this. Firstly, what are we calling our corporeal undead guys (the zombie/mummy/liches)? And do vampires fall under their umbrella or are vampires separate?
>>98189179>Actually, why the fuck is the society of leopold a minor faction?Historical inertia.For 90% of vampires runtime, true faith was a niche thing without much to expand on it and the society was an optional side-faction like the arcanum.It was only recently that the mechanics actually got any detail, so the current SOL reflects the prior writing on TF.
>>98189258I think Revenants would be pretty neat. You got screwed over and you come back to the world of the living to settle the score and kill someone before going to hell.Think Kuei Jin or GtS but the demon lords give you some sidejobs before you get your revenge.
>>98189179>90% of a numina's build power would be true faithNot necessarily, both sorcerers and shih have quick a few stand out abilities even at character creation.For example: Summoning, Binding, and Warding lets you bind opponents to your will, have a continuous -X to opposed dicepools against them, and the ability to "summon Spirit of [insert supernatural's weakness]" in a pinch.
>>98189226I forget, setite anon, what was her name again?
>>98189470>Think Kuei Jin or GtS but the demon lords give you some sidejobs before you get your revenge.That's basically the plot of Mummy: the Curse.
>>98189226She looks like a snack :DSince we’re going to Egypt, want me to send all the pics (and stats plus story if you have them) of your character to my ST to see if he wants to make her an NPC?I’ll use ooc restraints so Shark doesn’t gobble her up! She was a friend on Schreck.net after all
Strahd was a bitch
>>98189586It's Bleu. In modern nights she goes by Bleu Faycott, Professor of Antiquities at the University of North Florida in Jacksonville. Previously she was known as Bleu de LaEauxfeeriques, descendant of the House of Laval in France.>>98189709If you think that would be fun, sure go for it! She would be working as a belly dancer in a cabaret in Cairo during the 1930's.Here's her stats before her death in the ShreckNet thread. She wouldn't have quite as much xp back then.https://files.catbox.moe/v1xmvb.pdfIf your ST wants to use her, have fun! If you want Shark to eat her, hey have at it! It's your chronicle, not mine.
>>98189709How many pics you got? I got 6 saved so far
>>98189789CUM TRIBUTE WHEN? FOR THE GLORY OF SET!
>>98189179>Actually, why the fuck is the societu of leopold a minor faction?Because they've always been known vampire enemies. Being hunters doesn't really help.
I have two players asking me to run VtM. My only previous experience is running CoD sessions once or twice several years ago. One of the players is new to WoD altogether and would benefit from simpler rules. V5 or V20?
>>98189509Issue is, sorcerer paths are as xp expensive as Mage Spheres(dot x 7) for 10% the power, and qiao are as expensive as wan quei disciplines(dot x 8).Without xp discount mechanics like 2e Library background, the instructor skill, or talent merits, they're way, Way too expensive to be worth it unless you cheese it from chatacter gen. Inquisitors are fucking gods of war in comparison.
>>98189780Nice!At first I really wanted to rp Shark as he was in Schreck.net and do the time travel bit, but it was too hard to pull off and we weren’t close enough to WW2 like I first wrote in the rp threads. But I did say back then that I would love to meet your character. Who knows… perhaps it’ll work. So far the only setite we know is a player who quit. Don’t think we’ll see her as an npc, but perhaps her sire… Since I know Serpent I am currently quite invested.Well Shark see people as either two things. Food or friends. If she became the latter, no manipulation involved, Shark will gladly help her if in need. If she became closer (like the members of his coterie), Shark is ready to take on the world for her. Hell, Caine and the Antideluvians would have to go through him if they hope to harm her. That’s the one thing that I made clear with other camarilla princes and the sabbat concerning his coterie. And if Shark turns into an avatar of the wyrm, then daddy Caine and his grandkids might not be enough… but I will also consume existence itself, leaving you for last as my last shreds of cognizance dissipates into oblivion.>>98189789I never saved one before. I’d take them all.
>>98189226>slitted pupilsSetite? No thanks. Just say no, kids.>*turns 360° and walks away*
>>98189594>That's basically the plot of Mummy: the Curse.
How do you think stuff like ghouls, demonic deals, skin changers, and the likes would work with Garou purifying rituals like the Rite of Cleansing? Would they fail to work? Remove both the taint and the benefits? Allow one to keep what they got from ill deeds if they manage to somehow convince the Garou to go along with it?For example, could a vampire who has committed diablerie keep the benefits of it while getting rid of the black streaks if they grit their teeth and endure the agony the rite causes them due to, you know, being a vampire?
>>98190005The rite of clensing is supossed to purge the entirety of the supernatural taint, and when that is to interlocked with someones nature it kills them in process. If you want a rite that refines the supernatural into something better you would need someone to copy the process or making a drone or something equally bullshit.So, no the dogs don't get to bail people out by any other means besides mauling the loan supernatural shark or the guy with the money, most likely both.
>>98187257as far as i know we don't have any real statments on the size of revenant populations outside of a rather unhinged rant in blood treachery that is also objectively false at some pointswe are told that revenants as a whole are in decline since the anarch revolt wiped out most of them and that most famillies seem to have single digit estates but we aren't told how big each estate is we know before the anarch revolt some revenant families like the Danislavs who been relativly new at the time, had a werewolf problem and in the end been wiped out by the tzimisce which implies that they weren't really that large as far as revenant famillies go had several (presumably small) villages for themselves so you can have everything between residents of a manor at the edge of town nobody wants to go to and small town that we pretty much fully own
What do you think are the main differences between Werewolf and Changeling, be it oWoD or nWoD, be it as beings or as splats and games?They are both mixtures of two different kinds of beings, they both interact with some kind of umbra and the spirits within... yet we still say that some things belong to one or another splat, that a particular theme might fit better to a corax than a pooka, etc.Where do you think the line between one splat and the other is? What do you think makes them stand out from each other?
>>98190071So if for example a mortal made a deal for knowledge and was later purified, he'd forget what he had learned?I see, thanks
>>98188997>>98189035>I don't exactly know how to pull together these four and KEEP them together.Simple. They all stumbled on the weird together, and the weird isn't going to leave them alone. Maybe there's more skin thieves looking for revenge, and their only safe bet is to band together. Maybe the thieves had some unfinished business with another, more powerful supernatural, who wants answers as to why their contacts were no-shows. If your players aren't being cooperative for some reason, make cooperation a necessity. A lone human is easy prey in a World of Darkness, but when they band together they stand a much better chance.
>>98190135The biggest difference is the core. At it's core, werewolf is an action game about nature and old cultures being destroyed by modernity. It can only really take place in the post-industrial world, because in any previous era the werewolves were winning so hard they turned on their allies.At changelings core, it a theatre game about imagination dying as you grow up. It'd theoretically work the same in any era, unlike werewolf. Hell, the reason changeling's are dying doesn't even have anything to do with the modern world, it's a side effect of fairies causing nuclear armageddon in the near dreaming and banality if magical fallout from the war, NOT a side effect of modernization.
>>98189943If it works out, be sure to let us know! I always love reading about the insanity of Shark's chronicle. And maybe it'll inspire me to do some more scribbling.>>98189976Jerk! If you're going to walk away, just do so! Don't confuse me by spinning in place and walking backwards!! Hmph!
>>98190172>So if for example a mortal made a deal for knowledge and was later purified, he'd forget what he had learned?Presuming the knowledge was the fruit of some kind of possession, yeah, rule it as some kind of suppressed memory at best.You could recover a lot of lore with the right tool set, but you would have an easier time summoning the spirit that gave said knowledge and beating the information out of them.If the demon taught them sorcery or something along those lines that's just something they can do now.
>>98190196Well unless it’s cancelled last minute again, you will probably hear from me this Sunday, or the following days if I feel lazy
What Hedge Magic paths and rituals would you particularly recommend?(Also, I think I remember something about sorcery paths having a sixth dot that I'm not sure how you were supposed to ever reach?)
>>98190209>Presuming the knowledge was the fruit of some kind of possession, yeah, rule it as some kind of suppressed memory at best.>You could recover a lot of lore with the right tool set, but you would have an easier time summoning the spirit that gave said knowledge and beating the information out of them.I can definitely see it.>that's just something they can do nowThat makes sense. Although at the same time, it might have been that kind of thing that made me wonder the feasibility of some kind of "bully/scam attributes and merits out of demons" plan (make deal > get rid of the demon > purify lingering taint)
>>98189833My prudish mind says no but my inner degenerate has a very specific request>landscape shot>waist up>my bahari (dark straight hair slightly past her shoulders, circular glasses with a bit of a tint, B cups in a lacy black bra, and a predatory grin on her face) holding Bleu's (topless except for the electrical tape Xs covering her nipples) leg up into frame while she looks down in shock and exclaiming "Thats not a strap-on!">>98189943Im sure there is a site that would let me turn the pictures into a collage but im feeling lazy.
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>>981903665/6 and it just dawned on me the 6/6 (8 now) is already in this thread
>>98190174That sounds like a good idea. Since one of the thieves stole the skin of a real-estate mogul who was going to court for illegal demolitions, it's possible that whoever wanted the land in the first place might be supernatural... Maybe a vampire or something? Though I don't exactly know how the vampire goon hierarchy goes... isn't it like vamp>ghoul>dominated mortals or something like that?
>>98187535Very interesting>Demon is about being the secret underpinning of the world. Even without mortal institutions to corrupt, there are so many ways to cause destruction and disorder. Chaos reigns!Can you expand on what you mean by this?>>98189258Mayybe Returned? And I'd say that probalby separate?Vampires tend to have a stronger identity as their own thing, without as many ties to the kinds of concepts of "unquiet dead disturbed from rest" seen in some other corporeal undead (e.g. curse of the pharaoh and such). So they probably would not fit as well folded into Wratih>>98189470Revenant sounds like a good name too. Probably better than mine.If we go with factions I feel like something like that could work well as a temptation/propaganda by either an evil faction or a militaristic faction. Come join our ranks! We'll give you a body with which to complete your unfinished business... but when the time runs out you'll be completing assignments on the living world on OUR behalf, this is just the sign up bonus.>>98189594Tbh if we're folding Mummy under Wraith, it's probably a good sign that Wraith would be capable of telling Mummy-like stories.
>>98190349>(make deal > get rid of the demon > purify lingering taint)Just read what the fuck the Ukatena were up to in their books or something.
>>98190332>What Hedge Magic paths and rituals would you particularly recommend?Path of Summoning, binding, warding, path of alchemy, path of enchanting, and path of mana manipulation are the heavy hitters. Everything else is flavor text.>Also, I think I remember something about sorcery paths having a sixth dot that I'm not sure how you were supposed to ever reach?There were special requirements in 2nd edition, but in revised You just buy it with standard xp. It costs 42 xp(6th dot x 7), so it ain't cheap, but you can do it without any special hoops to jump through.
>>98189258>what are we calling our corporeal undead guys (the zombie/mummy/liches)?Isn't the major problem people have with wod5, the entire reason people want to make a fan reboot, the fact they tried to reinvent the wheel and fucked everything up?Why the hell do people think doing a fan continuation, only to change everything, won't result in exactly the lump of shit everyone hated wod5 for?
>>98190402>If we go with factions I feel like something like that could work well as a temptation/propaganda by either an evil faction or a militaristic faction. Come join our ranks! We'll give you a body with which to complete your unfinished business... but when the time runs out you'll be completing assignments on the living world on OUR behalf, this is just the sign up bonus.If people don't want to use demons or ghosts I think the Djinn could be an interesting way to shake up the monkeypaw gimmick. "I grant your wish first but then you grant 3 of mine" kind of deal.The merits and flaws tied to the deal would define how fucked your character is similarly to WoD Ghouls.
>>98190172>>98190209>>98190349READ THE INFERNALISM BOOKS.The answer is No. The books are clear you can save your soul from damnation OR keep the special demon benefits. You don't grt to keep your infernal gifts if you repent, you lose EVERYTHING, whether its magic, knowledge, money, or whatever.
>>98187535How do you think the Masquerade would be maintained for demons here?I could see a world where most demons just have *something* to hide with like shapeshifting or possession, but I could also think something akin to Delirium could fit beings of primordial evil, especially if demons are also drawing inspiration from the lovecraft/scp/creepypasta side of things.
>>98190458>Why the hell do people think doing a fan continuation, only to change everything, won't result in exactly the lump of shit everyone hated wod5 for?Because this is mainly just an excuse to throw shit at the wall and see what sticks. Think of this as how Hunter fucks with the templates by making very implausible or illegal builds.
>>98190462The changelings haven't been defined yet either, and that's another group with ties to concepts of deals and such.Tbh jinn could probably be a type of fairy without many issues, although they could also fit under other splats, it's a fairly flexible concept from what little I know.
>>98190464I'm not even talking about the Mage and Masquerade take on demons. I'm mainly referring to how some factions scam Banes. I know there's a lot of overlap with them, I just don't care for it or the stories that usually result from them.If I want to play a devoted character, you should just give them a truck or suicide vest and let them martyr themselves.
>>98190458I think mummy the fesurrection could use a complete reboot. I read a great idea from the onyx paths forums on that: have the mummy campaign follow your life cycles through missions horus gives you in different time periods. Player actions potentially change the next future they wake up in.The metaplot reason is that horus is guiding "Ra"(humanity) across the river of time. There are multiple "correct" paths, but on wrong turn could lead the ark of Ra into the jaws of Apophis(Human extinction). Apophis and his servants see the river of time as well and work to stir it's waters to drive Ra's Ark off the proper courseThe goal isn't to prevent the apocalypses of the world or various splats, it's to guide events so that humanity can Survive those apocalypses. Apophis has the opposite goal.
>>98190464Yah that sounded the most logical. But I'm pretty sure I've also seen people here advice playing multiple demonic sponsors against each other as the optimal path for mortals, so you know, the most stupid questions are the ones you don't ask and all that.
>>98190504if you are doomed then making a extra pact (or more) doesn't makes you extra doomed or anything just more powerful for the time remaining time you are on earthbut jumping between patrons will never un-doom you even if you manage to sell your soul in equal parts to different demons (they'll trade the bits till someone owns the majority)
>>98190504>I've also seen people here advice playing multiple demonic sponsors against each other as the optimal path for mortals,The path of screams, book of madness, and thousand hells books address this directly and make it explicitly clear that Doesn't Work. The demons trade souls all the time and won't value your soul enough to fight over it.The real hack is spectre investment. If you have a being score, you can use it to EAT demons who's sin corresponds to that being. This perma-kills anything south of a yama-king or incarnaewith the power of oblivion. This means you can make the deal and then eat your unwitting master to keep both the deal and your free will(as long as you weren't dumb enough to sell you soul).
>>98190483>The changelings haven't been defined yet either, and that's another group with ties to concepts of deals and such.So far, the way the game lines have been described as diet Trench Crusade, it would make the most sense for those kids to just be humans with demonic heritage or mediumship. >Your mother committed a great sin during pregnancy. That's why you have no soul, and people are repulsed by you for no apparent reason. Hell will gladly give you a soul of your own for a favor.
>>98190533>Your mother committed a great sin during pregnancy. That's why you have no soul, and people are repulsed by you for no apparent reason. Hell will gladly give you a soul of your own for a favor.The summary of 4chaner: the TrollingSeriously though, why boil everything down to angels demons and ghosts as the only 3 sources of the supernatural? WoD's biggest strength was how off the wall shit could get. The "demon" you were investigating could be a fallen angel, a spirit of natural entropy, an out-thing from a different universe, a fugative from the akashic hells, a nightmare fae, or any other number of things and it was up to you to figure it out.
>>98190533If CtD explored reincarnations of fairies and CtL explored abduction victims that escaped, I'm thinking this Changeling might explore the idea of the swap of human and changeling babies more straightforwardly. Which could also lead to minions of fae lords that are the opposite of you: you have fae powers as an innate part of your heritage that you don't fully understand, and in front of you are people very familiar with all things fae from their upbringing and who need not fear iron...>So far, the way the game lines have been described as diet Trench CrusadeI feel that it just appears that way because we started with demons.And I also feel that the "everyone fits knowledge of the world under the view of their splat" could lead to everyone trying to claim credit for the world existing despite all the darkness.We built this world on sacrifice, say the vampires who claim the Aztec gods as kin.We built this world through secrets, say the mages trying to create new worlds of their own or alter the form of this one.We built this world on the foundations of countless dead that form the lowest layers of the underworld, say the wraiths.We built this world through deals between the first spirits, say the werewolves and the faeWe built this world, say the demons, we were here first so everyone else must be like us but with better PR
>>98190590>why boil everything down to angels demons and ghosts as the only 3 sources of the supernatural?I'm pretty sure the reboot was never meant to be just about those three, and it was more a matter of starting from those three in terms of lore and such.Maybe because of the issues that oWoD ended up with different splats having incompatible lore and such, I don't know. I mean, it's part of the charm that everyone has their own opinions, but that also means that the Storytellers can struggle to make the pieces fit together.
>>98190353That one's actually Lita, my roommate's Brujah antitribu. I can see about humoring your inner degenerate when I wake up. :pIn the mean time, I'll drop one last pic before bed. Never got around to finishing this one unfortunately.
>>98190617>but that also means that the Storytellers can struggle to make the pieces fit togetherThat's because you're not supposed to, anyone that tries is missing the point.Old WoD is built to make players feel like alex jones, connecting red string on boards of pictures and newspaper clipping trying to find "the truth" amount the myths, red herrings, and straight-up lies.Everything is contradictory On Purpose, because it lets the storyteller change "the truth" for every campaign. It's a world built to have a different scooby do mystery every time you come back. Removing that and wonder why the game is suddenly shit is like surgically removing someones still-beating heart and wondering why they stopped moving.
>>98190682>Old WoD is built to make players feel like alex jones, connecting red string on boards of pictures and newspaper clipping trying to find "the truth" amount the myths, red herrings, and straight-up lies.>Everything is contradictory On Purpose, because it lets the storyteller change "the truth" for every campaign. It's a world built to have a different scooby do mystery every time you come back. Removing that and wonder why the game is suddenly shit is like surgically removing someones still-beating heart and wondering why they stopped moving.This is cope of the highest order.
>>98190748>This is cope of the highest order.Oh, they 100% didn't intend any of that with 1e and completely wrote themselves into a clusterfuck. They stumbled into the endless scooby-doo shit by complete acvident and the few competent writers like rein-hagen at whiteword just polished the less janky parts to capitalize on it.Then they fucked everything up again byblate revised when they got addicted to the "street level only" powertrip and have been doubling down on that since. There's no shot any of the current writers have any idea about the conspiracy structure 2nd and early revised capitalized on.
How to get big titty Dreamspeaker gf?
>>98183397Literally posted a character sheet and his deviant game last thread and YOU IGNOOOOOORED HIIIIIIIM!
>>98190781take the spirit magnet merit or emulate it and pull up in your spirit pimp mobile surrounded by your spirit harem that you payed chimiage to and then watch her jaw drop
>>98189872V20. The rules on their own are relatively easy to learn and get into, the work for managing them is mostly on the game masters side with the players only having to learn the mechanics that apply to their character. V20 Gives you access to the complete package and lets you pick and chose the best bits for you game where as V5 forces you into a certain kind of play, which is small scale street level play where every night is a battle for your survival and your journey is supposed to end in final death. Its dog shit and I pray for the death of Paradox each night. V20 gives your players much more freedom to make whatever kind of character they want and play them out however they wish.
>>98189872Either V20 or since you have experience with CofD check out the fan translation in the OP. It's a homebrew for running VtM in CofD.
>>98190397Well when running Vigil I find it fairly liberating to not feel bound by what the "official" lore on a certain supernatural is, and the books themselves support this. But as a rule, yeah, Vampires > Ghouls > Mortal thralls. But, some vampires might hold ghouls in contempt, being disgusted by their fawning sycophantic behavior and actually put them on the bottom of the pecking order. On the other, some vampires might be so elitist they regard their ghouls more highly than most vampires of other lineages. Play with it, it's not nearly as rigid as people getting into lore debates might make it seem.
>>98190590>Seriously though, why boil everything down to angels demons and ghosts as the only 3 sources of the supernatural?Because nothing else I saw suggested interested me.
If you commit diablerie, could you sell your victims’ souls instead of your own to the demons?
>>98191198Honestly that's a cool idea, though I bet the demons would give you shit exchange rates for it. So you'd be giving up one diablerie soul a pop for fairly minor boons. Which encourages the character to keep doing it, which keeps things interesting.
>>98191208NeatI was also thinking if you could pull off Medic’s stunt in the TF2 comic using that strategy
>>98191198How can they sell any souls if a successful diablerie destroys the soul?
>>98190943Hey… HEY!!! THOSE TWO ARE BREAKING THE LITANY!!! SOMEBODY GET THE LOCAL CAERN PHILODOX ON THEIR ASSES!!!! AND DON’T GIVE ME THAT BULLSHIT “Buh-buh-but they’re Red Talons” EITHER!!! RED TALONS??? USING A COMPUTER???
>>98191255WHAT ARE TALKING ABOUT? THESE BITCHES ARE BSD! KILL THEM ALL AND THE MORMONS THEY LURED FIR FUCK SAKE!
>>98190183>NOT a side effect of modernizationThe reason they fucked up the near dreaming was just a reflection of modernization. Changelings don't have the will to power their own destinies, they are merely dreams within a dream.
The greatest thrill a human can experience comes from knocking a vampire or werewolf unconscious and then banging them.
>>98190807I don’t believe youThese threads suck and nothing good ever comes out of them Except for that one sewer drawing
>>98191337Thanks, Ashwood Abbey.
>>98190807>>98191382I'd say it's more monotonous than anything else. It's weird how the same discussion will repeat over and over again, it's fatiguing. I barely give my opinion on stuff anymore because it's so tiresome to do the same point counter-point with the one other anon with a strong, and differing opinion than me. Why have the same discussion again and again? I'm also of the suspicion that a lot of the "hey guys I'm new to this" posting isn't actually real newbies but a tactic to stimulate conversation.As for why the person posting their Deviant character didn't get many (you)s, it's the same reason most game-posting doesn't get a lot of responses. We don't have enough posters anymore to sustain discussion about a wide variety of splats, especially when that variety keeps widening between highly skub editions. Most people don't like every splat, and until hiroshimoot brings back individual poster count, I'm convinced we have 20 unique posters every thread at best. I'm not blameless here either. As I've played and run more, I've gotten a much stronger bias as to what I like, what I don't like, and how the stuff I like should be handled. Makes it hard to extend a fuck to someone gameposting about a splat I don't like or running a table I personally would hate being in.
>>98191244Diablerie does not actually destroy the soul. It is just subsumed into you and the soul loses its sense of self and goes dormant. Rituals exist to extract and release them so they are always there. Even if they are removed you still keep the power ups you got. Which funnily enough means there is a case to be made for somewhat ethical diablerie where you eat a guy, gain his power and then have your friend do the ritual to release the guy you just ate.
>>98191545>Black Black Club but TTRPGneat!
>>98191382You can go back and check. His sheet is still in it and it is also the only one that has been posted for ages. Only one guy posted a sheet. And for fucking deviant of all things.
>>98191589>Most people don't like every splat, and until hiroshimoot brings back individual poster countNever going to happen, he needs to hide the steady decline and obvious bots.
Yeah turns out most people don't play board games anymore they just talk about board games. Its basically masturbation when you think about itAlso this >>98191846
>>98191313>True Fae trying to hardcope.My guy, the soltice war happened pre-enlightenment. There wasn't any modernization for the dreaming to reflect.Stop making excuses and just accept the fact that YOU invented banality, Not humanity and Now your mad because humans can live just fine in the poisoned hellscape you created.
>>98191846>he needs to hide the steady decline and obvious bots.Which is hilarios given how he's causing the decline. The curtain was removed by accident april fools day last year.It's possible and very easy to save 4chan, bring back the golden age, and create a better future. Literally just delete most of the dead boards and fire the tranny jannies that ban people for having fun.Unfortunately hiromoot is too lazy to actually admin.
>>98190631Ahh, my mistake. I was kinda questioning the smaller bust compared to the other pics.
>>98191932>The curtain was removed by accident april fools day last year.QRD?
>>98192017Well, I'm awake. Before I have some breakfast, here's a scribble for you, Bahari anon!
>>98192040Your art is great and has loads of personality. How are your games going anon?
>>98192040Momma always said to use tasteful words because you might have to eat them one day. As soon as I find a working printer (ours took a shit last month) I will post a tribute.
>>98191589I personally stopped my game posting because no one really cares. Like, does anyone remember my gamepost about Mage game with multiple different alien invasions, including Eternals from X-Com, Iris from Gemini Home Entertainment and Pandorans from Phoenix Point?I stopped talking about it because it didn't feel like it was worth it.
>>98188249Source on the pic?>>98191255>red talon using a computerIt’s more likely than you think
