Welcome to Open OSR.This thread is for open OSR discussions. For the purpose of this thread OSR is defined as an emulation of pre-3e D&D either with mechanics, style or even vibe. This includes old-school D&D, retroclones, neoclones and broader OSR-adjacent and retro games. There is a general for those of you who prefer OSR games strictly inspired by the first decade D&D and if that is your preference, you can find that here >>98163653Please do not engage with trolls.Previous thread >>98172577Thread Question:>>What you are currently working on, running or playing in. Tell us about it.
The OSR movement owes a lot to this man. Say something nice about him and ACKS
>>98184200ACKS is far from perfect, I think it needs streamlining and a better presentation, something like the OSE one, but it's the first step forward in D&D since 1981.
>>98184183>>What you are currently working on, running or playing in. Tell us about it.I'm running an ACKS II campaign, but with the Arbrethil mods to lair density, and my own race-classes that hew closer to the AD&D ones.
>>98184200That last time he published anything close to decent was when he was running The Escapist a decade ago lol
>>98184216It doesn't need streamlining. The system is already modular and you can chop out anything you don't need. It should be designed like an encyclopedia you can pick and choose from .>it's the first step forward in D&D since 1981.Hear hear. Strongly agree
>>98184183>For the purpose of this thread OSR is defined as an emulation of pre-3e D&DOdd thing to say. If it's pre-3e D&D you want to talk about, why not just say TSR? That's the proper definition, not OSR.
So you answer my own question. I am currently involved in 5 games, only one of which is OSR. So this is a future game I am working on. I really want to do something S&S like using swords and Wizardry Revised. I may tinker with the rules but that is for another time.What I am currently working on is the world of Zardra. I have been using the Tomb of world building by Mythmere games to randomly roll the land. Mostly because this tooke back to my early days of gaming.What I ended up with is a forested and hilly 60x 60 hex map using hexgrapher. It so reminds me of those Mystara maps of my youth lol.So I have currently 1800 x 1800 mile sandbox to fill with locations and nations for the players to explore. There are currently 8 cultural basins to fill.On the right we have the fallen empire, it was a Demon lead human empire, it's death 500+ years ago left a lot of dead and cursed lands, the majority of which are off this map. I figured this is a great area for demon touched or some other classes not hum blooded sorcerers.I am currently working on the ancient gods of the fallen Khullas empire. But this is getting long.
>>98184232>It doesn't need streamlining.That's going to be inherently subjective, though. My honest opinion is that there are some points where one could reduce the complexity by 30% while keeping 90% of the depth. It might not be a good trade-off for you, but it is for me.Anyway, again, I admire Macris.
>>98184243>I am currently involved in 5 games, only one of which is OSROdd way to write that none of them are OSR.
>>98184223Tinkering with classes and rules is a RPG tradition lol. You limiting the classes to ad&d ones well?
>>98184232>The system is already modular>>98184244To clarify. The changes I have in mind keep all of the modules, they just simplify some of them a bit. So modularity is an orthogonal consideration to what I was talking about.>>98184225Go away, troll.
>>98184244>there are some points where one could reduce the complexity by 30% while keeping 90% of the depthWhen I was in an ACKS campaign awhile back (admittedly, it was the first edition, not sure how much 2e changed), this was an issue I kept running into. After getting down to brass tacks, it didn't really play significantly different from any other dungeon crawler, but added what felt like a bunch of busywork on top of it. Some automation tools would help a lot, but I'm fundamentally not interested in simulating trade and tax policy, it detracts from the part of this subgenre I find interesting. It's why I stick to AD&D 2e and S&WC these days, depending on the level of complexity my group and I are in the mood for.
You autistic retards already have a thread up stop bumping this one>>98136689
>>98184254I mean, ACKS II has rules for custom classes, so rather than a tradition it's a core mechanic in our case.But yeah, e.g. Dwarves can be Fighters, Thieves, and Fighter-Thieves, each of those being a custom class. And Dwarf Clerics are NPC only. So I'm really "AD&D-ifying" ACKS II, using the ACKS II toolbox provided.I fucking love ACKS II.
part 2. For the fallen Khullas empire. I only have a few gods so far. They will be great for temples and ruins I think--Raunonn (Ray- Non)Portfolio: Rulership ,Bureaucracy,tyrants, earthGained: Given the mantel of leadership by the elder demon Buaibuilu Appearance A pillar of stone with dozens of tentacled arms and countless eyes orbiting it: Symbol: A circle of eyes The Harsh and Inhuman overlord of the Pantheon. He is the keeper of law,the master of Bureaucracy and fathers of tyrants. He rules by virtue of a series of contracts,binding laws and pure weight of might as all tyrants should.--Daguban (Dag-one)Portfolio:Chaos , Night, Hunt, DishonorAppearance: A many limbed, ever shifting shadow with one sinister eyeSymbol: A vertical eye with a 8 point star pupil Daguban is one of two lords of chaos. He is lord of the night, king of the hunt and master of dishonor. He both hates Raunonn and is bound to him by ghostly chains, forced to obey.-Cenollaun (sin- o-u-won)Portfolio: Chaos , Illusion , Lies, Drugs and HallucinogensAppearance: A figure in a grey robe, ten tentacles sprout from each sleeve, 5 glowing tear drop eyes can be seen in the darkness of the hood and mist covers the ground.Symbol: A downward triangle with a dagger like pointThe second god of Chaos, Cenollaun is an illusion given form, the mother of lies,goddess of Hallucinogens and spiritual awakening.-- Widuig (wig- we-ga)Portfolio: Trade, slavery,contracts and oaths Appearance: Widuig is a tall demon with red skin, yellow eyes and rams horns, in rich robes.His hands are covered in gold rings and he has long, black nailsSymbol: A scroll tied with chainsWiduig is the Lord of slavery, keeper of contracts and binder of oaths. He oversees trade and trade agreements as well as being chief administrator of the divine Bureaucracy.
>>98184249You are the first person I have ever seen claim Old School Essentials was not OSR.
>>98184266>It's why I stick to AD&D 2eEugh. Gross. Why are you doing that to yourself? You should love and respect yourself more.
>>98184278Very classic class line up there.ACKs is not for me and I feel like ACKs II is over done. But glad you found a system you like.
>>98184279Hi ChatGPT
>>98184266It's why I stick to AD&D 2e and S&WC these days, depending on the level of complexity my group and I are in the mood for.2e is a great system, I ran a 2e game a few years back.it was fun to dig back into it. I also recently got into S&WR and I am really digging it as a ruleset.
>>98184284>Why are you doing that to yourself?It's what my group and I grew up playing, and I know the game and its splats well enough that I can shift it to fit pretty much any style of campaign I want.
>>98184295>glad you found a system you likeStop buttering me up, only my wife gets to lick my anus.
>>98184298What in gods name makes you think that's chargbt? Gods you trolls think everyone band everything is fake
>>98184305>2e is a great systemlollmao, even
>>98184313Lol good for you.
>>98184309>It's what my group and I grew up playingNo shit, that goes without saying. Apart from nostalgia there's literally zero reasons to play 2e since 3e came out, since 3e does everything 2e does but better. 2e is literally a Millennials-only edition, and most Millennials have moved on anyway.
>>98184243What region are you expecting to focus on for your first campaign here? 1800x1800 is a bit much too chew on for level 1's.
>>98184333Speaking as someone that jumped on the 3e train at launch expecting it would be like that and played 3e for years, they play incredibly differently. If I wanted to run some fantasy pseudo-simulationism like my early 3e games, I'd run a GURPS game. If I wanted to run a tactics and character-building focused miniatures skirmish game like my 3e games inevitably turned into, I'd try 4e for longer than 5 sessions I don't want to deal with a bunch of charop bullshit, I want to make and run some dungeons. Hence why I don't use kits or NWP's in my campaign.
>>98184338I was just map making. And I kept map making. Then noticed the size, opps. I am thinking I'll work on the fallen empire section. I may make a rough overview of all the culture basins first and then see which one I am drawn to.Out of the fallen empire sections,I am thinking this area here. Two cultures/kingdoms, divided by a river , surrounded by forested hills and with the cursed lands at its edge
>>98184235>>For the purpose of this thread OSR is defined as an emulation of pre-3e D&DNo, OSR started in around 2003 or 2004 and the first published example was C&C which was a pared down version of d20 system/3e so using TSR wouldn't work, has to be OSR. Even if you are one of those elegan/tg/entlemen who says Hackmaster was really the first OSR game, which is very plausible, then TSR still doesn't work and it still needs to be OSR.Based on what you quoted I would have to say that op got the definition wrong, but, you actually cut down the op quote, you left out>>either with mechanics, style or even vibe.That changes the meaning quite a lot. You still can't really say TSR when you mean pre-3e. Books like Wizard's Spell Compendium II to IV or III & IV were published after WOTC bought TSR, same for Priest's Spell Compendium. Books like the last Planescape MC or Ravenloft Domains of Dread contained new material, the last being a revised campaign setting book. They're all pre-3e publications, all based on pre-3e settings, and are all fully compliant with pre-3e rules but are in a grey area as they were published by WOTC just with a TSR logo on them.
>>98184429Disregarding yet another argument on when the OSR did and didn't start, I do want to point out that a lot of the best dungeons for 2e were put out after TSR was bought by WotC.
>>98184429You can just say TSR, retroclones, and adjacent games, and it would be perfectly clear and correct.2e is not OSR, so saying that OSR is pre-3e D&D doesn't work, because it includes 2e in OSR.
>>98184461>a lot of the best dungeons for 2eThat's a hilariously low bar
>>98184382What are you thinking of doing for the two kingdoms? Any dungeons or aboveground locations you have in mind?
>>981844842e is OSR, get over it.
>>98184359That between 2e and 3e looks like a big difference to you because you don't understand Gygaxian D&D.From the vantage point of knowing what real D&D is like, the differences between 2e and 3e are tiny. All the core bullshit of Hickmanfagging, storyshitting, railroading, character arcs, and metaplots are firmly in place.
>>98184515Wrong. Not only is it not OSR, it is ANTI-OSR. As in, it was the edition made to delete and mock everything that made Gygaxian = OSR D&D great.You only say that because you don't understand real D&D.
>>98184492Give Return to the Tomb of Horrors, The Lost Shrine of Bundushatur, and The Shattered Circle a look anon.
>>98184502Not sure yet, I just finished the man Sunday. I am thinking maybe a theocratic kingdom in the south with a league of city states in the north.For ruins and dungeons, I want to put a dead city in the cursed area. I like the idea of old ruins and complexes buried. A couple of "grand tomb" complexes with demons and undead.Not sure what else right now. I haven't even nailed down races yet. I know I want some kind of demon touched blood line, that is very classic S&S.
Take the what is OSR argument to the osrg or elsewhere. It's off topic here, the OP is clear on what counts as OSR here.
>>98184542I have. All 2e modules are absolute nonsensical crap.
>>98184542You can't reason with someone on a holy crusade man. Just ignore them
>>98184519>That between 2e and 3e looks like a big difference to you because you don't understand Gygaxian D&D.What does this even mean? If you're trying to argue that 2e and 3e are similar games, you're fucking retarded. I don't really give a shit if a game is "Gygaxian", I care if I can use it to run a good campaign with interesting dungeons for my friends.>All the core bullshit of Hickmanfagging, storyshitting, railroading, character arcs, and metaplotsI have no idea what Hickmanfagging and storyshitting are. I definitely don't use metaplots, since I use a custom world. Try making arguments instead of spouting buzzwords at me, I don't really care if my campaign fits some arbitrary criteria you've come up with.
>>98184200What's your favourite part of it?>>98184557If you make a thread declaring apples to be oranges you can't expect Anons not to comment on that idea. If you don't want that to be discussed, just don't say it. If you say it, Anons will discuss it.>>98184232Leaving aside streamlining the rules, you don't think ACKS II could benefit from less verbose explanations and bullet points??
How many different editions of D&D have you drawn material from for use in a single session?
>>98184584The trolls will troll anyhow, once more your argument is incorrect and flawed. They did this same shit on every single thread. Don't act like me making what is OSR in this thread clear was a catalyst for it
>>98184183>What you are currently working on, running or playing in.Working on a setting, mostly the history. Rather than create it and work backwards for lore like I see some people do, I am going back about 2000 years and starting from the first settlements (dwarves) and then going from there.
>>98184592Just ACKS and OD&D
>>98184579Well, you just admitted that you don't understand the difference between Gygaxian and Hickmanian D&D, which confirms my claim on why you are under the mistaken impression that there are profound differences between the core structures of 2e and 3e. You're like a fish who doesn't understand what water is, because you've always been immersed in it and you don't notice it.Which also explains why you keep making claims that 2e is OSR: you don't actually understand what Gygaxian D&D is about.
>>98184592Me personally, two or three. I often used to use BX stuff with 2e and of course setting are edition agnostic. So I used my 2e FR books across a number of editions. Often mixing and matching edition as rules don't matter with lore. Hell the 3e FRCS is just magnificent
>>98184595>Don't act like me making what is OSR in this thread clearYou did exactly the opposite.
>>98184567Alright, thanks anon. Early D&D discussion on here is fucking weird lol, lots of guys who seem more interested in game design holy wars than actually running a game that's fun
>>98184609That's why I just play ACKS and ignore these threads
>>98184602Based
>>98184600That is a fun project. It's the kinda thing my brain would spend far, far too much time on lol.What races you using?
>>98184606>I often used to use BX stuff with 2eWhy ruin a perfectly good plate by mixing it with dog shit.
>>98184608No, I made it clear. Trolls are gonna troll. They had the same arguments before hand. They don't want anything but their ultra restrictive revisionist "definition"
>>98184605What the fuck is "Hickmanian D&D"? Like the Dragonlance and Ravenloft guy?>you are under the mistaken impression that there are profound differences between the core structures of 2e and 3eOf course they're structured totally differently. Combat in 3e takes 4 hours and works way differently than 2e. The classes are very different too. How are 2e and 3e at all similar?
>>98184609It's one of the last bastions they have for that ideology. They try to troll just ignore em.What are you currently working on or running?
>>98184632Let it go man, he is trolling you. You know he is full of shit, I know he is full of shit, hell he knows he is full of shit. Just ignore him and talk to folks who are not just here to troll and keep the jihad alive
>>98184592I play only OSE-Advaced these days.>>98184595>The trolls will troll anyhowYou're the one who's made an inflammatory OP (trolling) and now you want to pass as the innocent victim. You're a hypocrite and a coward.>>98184602Odd combination. Never B/X??
>>98184641I'm looking for a layout guy to convert my catgirl book pdf to an epub one.
>>98184632>What the fuck is "Hickmanian D&D"?Google it, newfag. I'm not spoon feeding you on the basics.>Of course they're structured totally differently. Combat in 3e takes 4 hours and works way differently than 2e.Completely minor differences. The game loop is identical = Hickmanian D&D.
>>98184628No, you wrote a wrong definition to start an argument. And correcting you is not trolling.
>>98184633>>98184638I accept your concession.
>>98184641Nothing Bout the OP is inflammatory. Not a single fucking thing
>>98184633I'm trying to develop my world's middle east equivalent, so I'm making a little archipelago/coastal sandbox campaign using stuff from Al-Qadim and some other modules I like. My players just wrapped up an AS&S module called The Anthropophagi of Xambaala and most of them hit level 3. They're looking to get the hell out of dodge and take to the seas, but they don't have quite enough silver to get a boat. Right now they're deciding between doing another job in the city they're in, even though they've pissed off some pretty notable people, or taking the risk of stealing someone's boat.
>>98184700Odds are they are gonna try and steal a boat. Using some of Al-Qadim stuff is a good idea, that will be a fun culture change
>>98184592My system is a bastardization of everything I liked from every edition. I prefer playing and having fun with my group over arguing whether or not we are playing "true" old school
>>98184200Nicest thing to say about him is he's old and will likely die soon.
>>98184716>Using some of Al-Qadim stuff is a good ideaBonus points if you the most offensive accents imaginable but from the wrong region. Mickey Rooney Breakfast at Tiffany's level stuff.
>>98184688>saying that apples are bananas is not inflammatoryYou're right, my bad. I should have said retarded.
>>98184592I used to run 1e with the 2e DMG. Never even realized until I learned there WAS an 1e AD&D. Our group spent a good five years thinking 1e meant Basic and 2e was Advanced.
>>98185645>I used to run 1e with the 2e DMG..That's the most stupid thing I've read in the long time. Why would you use that dogshit book instead of the best RPG book ever written? >Our group spent a good five years thinking 1e meant Basic and 2e was Advanced.Wait, new record.
>>98185608It's not normal behavior to be that irate that somebody wrote an RPG book that you don't like. What's wrong with you?
>>98185655>Why would you use that dogshit book instead of the best RPG book ever written?Hey, the 1e book was just slightly more disorganized, hardly dogshit, there's no need for that kind of talk.
>>98185733>the 1e book was just slightly more disorganizedWhat are you on about? The 1e DMG is a completely different book from the 2e DMG. Choosing the bad one over the good one because of the organisation is just stupid.
>>98185743Now look, I know those guys from the general are acting the clown but that's no excuse to get down on 1e. It's a perfectly fine edition and there's no class in calling it the bad one. Be the bigger man.
>>98185755NTAYRT. Obviously from context >>98185655he's saying that Gygax's DMG is the best RPG book ever written and that the 2e DMG is the dogshit one. (He's right, by the way.)
>>98185770>NTAYRTThan butt out. I'm trying to admonish a measure of thread decorum.
Continuing the discussion from last thread...>>98184505>>story arc / story goals / railroading>Started in D&D, not even AD&D.If you think that's a good thing, then you're probably part of the problem, what the OSR is reacting against. The seeds of what we don't like about the present game/hobby grew out of the 70s and were present then in embryonic form --- that's how they were able to grow and eventually overtake the game/hobby in the 80s and 90s.To criticize or dismiss the OSR on those grounds is to miss our point completely --- we're not about looking backwards or accurately recreating the gaming scene of 197x, we're about taking the elements that we like about how *some* people were playing back then (the core of the scene: Gygax, Arneson, and crew), that have generally been drowned out and lost amid other approaches and styles [i.e. the way you play] in the intervening years, and bringing them forward into the present, because we know for a fact that it's still possible to have fun playing that way today just like it was then, and we'd rather play that way than the way you were playing then (and now). And that's assuming you play. Which, let's admit it, you don't.
>>98185784>Than butt out.What do you mean? You're missing the term of comparison. Did you maybe mean "Sexier" than a butt out?
Continuing the discussion from last thread...>>98184491>>The fact is it's listed and sold as an OSR game.>That statement is wrong. [...] I can easily put "OSR" on the cover and list it as "OSR" and sell it as OSR but that doesn't magically make it OSR.>>Someone slapping a label on the cover does not make it OSR but that is what your statement amounts to claiming. It's a waste of your time making such an easily falsifiable claim.Exactly. Not sure if the person you're replying to is stupid, a bad faith troll, or both. The idea that just because something is marketed as OSR then it's OSR is beyond idiotic.
>>98184036>>Seems completely unnecessary when you could just have an OP that says that 2e is on topic in the thread without defining what OSR means.>We tried that, they still trolled.The only one trolling /todd/ was fishfag, who was continuously throwing tantrums that /todd/ existed while trying to raise a sperg army against /osrg/. And that's exactly what you have been doing with these threads, heeding fishfag's call to jihad while trying to look like a pacifist, and lying and blaming the /osrg/ guys for fishfag's incessant trolling of /todd/. Have the moral courage to admit that you're doing instead of being a hypocrite.
>>98184183Hey /osr/, let's say I'd like to make an OSR game/setting inspired by Mirrodin and the Barsoom novels; any rulebook recommendations?I've experience playing og d&d and i've read some ad&d material, mostly to homebrew stuff for current d20 systems, but it's all uncharted territory for me. I know that Warriors of Mars exists, but seems very limited to what I've in mind. I've also consulted some Dark Sun material for things like environment conditions, crafting materials for weapons and armor (metal is widespread because Mirrodin, but the fuel to forge it isn't since there aren't actual trees and therefor no lumber for fuel), society in city-states and other setting particularshuman is the default race, with players choosing ethnicities at char creation in order to get a small bonus to some skill rolls, but that's it. no races as class
>>98185835Anon, you seem to be lost, you're asking in a nevergames troll thread. You're very unlikely to get useful answers here.If you ask on the real OSR general, /osrg/, we'll be happy to help >>98163653
>>98185835BX is the go to. Shadowdark if you're more inclined to modern features. Personally, i'd go rules cyclopedia because im biased for it.
>>98185910Case in point: A vacuous nevergames canned response that completely ignores what Anon asked here >>98185835
>>98185835Which "OG" D&D have you played in? One of the basics? BX? BECMI? Holmes? Not being gatekeepy just think it'll help with the answer.
>>98184557OSR is already defined, and it is defined by the style of play.Call it Open OSR or OOSR, if you want to.But you can't call it OSR.You are just spreading unnecessary confusion with that.This makes it more difficult to find the right game to play.I recommend making a AD&D 2e exclusive thread, instead.
>>98184183>For the purpose of this thread OSR is defined as an emulation of pre-3e D&D either with mechanics, style or even vibe.That's an incorrect definition, however. the OSR started as an effort to emulate 1970s D&D, especially early AD&D, not just "anything before 3e". This is entirely clear and well documented. Please don't spread easily-checked inaccuracies of this sort.
>>98184200He's good at writing coherent rules for things that don't just collapse at a second glance, and he didn't cave when Zak demanded that he fire somebody for no good reason, despite the fact that that set off a tranny jihad against him that's lasted for like a decade. Good man, good game designer.
>>98186194Show me said documentation that the OSR was only anout AD&D, that isnt the """history of the osr"" or a k&k alehouse screenshot.
>>98186251>show me the proof but NYOOOO YOU CAN'T SHOW ME ANY OF THE EASILY AVAILABLE PROOF!!!Nah, you show me any kind of indication that anybody in circa 2006 was worried about "TSR reprints" instead.
>>98185784>I'm trying to admonish a measure of thread decorum.You want to berate any amount of decorum?
>>98184305>2e is a great systemIt's not an OSR system, however, so keep it out of this thread please.
>>98185835Old school essentials is the current hotness of BX based gaming. It's a good one, the advanced book separated race from class too. I have also really been into swords and wizardry revised lately.If you are going human only, Hyperborea 3e is also a good choice.
>>98185645That is funny. We picked up basic books not knowing it was a different system.
>>98186275I put the open definition for a reason. 2e is fine here, go to osrg if you don't want 2e mentioned
>>98186194There is a thread linked in the OP for folks who think like you do. This thread isn't that one
>>98185910 Ya know, I hunted for hard for the rules cyclopedia back in the day. That and dragon kings was two books I could never find. The lady who ran the shop I got my stuff couldn't even order it as it was backlogged or something.Now days it's an interesting read but nothing I would run personally. But man the nostalgia of looking though it is so strong. It's a solid choice for BX based gaming. Really everything you need in one book
>>98185622I personally don't do accents as my accent kinda mangles them. My players have to deal with all NPCs sounding like me, sometimes with different tones but always the same accent.
>>98186362>Generic vacuous "advice" that is completely interchangeable and has no relevance to what was asked.See, this is why we say that you're a useless nogames retard.
>>98186374>I put the open definition for a reason.An open apple is not an orange, special education hillbilly.
>>98186442You are not an authority.
>>98186453>You are not an authority.Let's see1. I can spell English,2. I know the difference between an ad hominem and inductive inference,3. I know the difference between OSR and TSR,4. I know that wikipedia is not a reliable source, and5. I know that "wikipedia is not a reliable source" doesn't mean "everything in wikipedia is wrong".Because, unlike you, I'm not a subhuman. And yes, that makes me an authority that you should respect because I'm smarter, better educated, speak better English than you despite it being my third language, and I'm your elder, son.
>>98186453Trolls are gonna troll. Just hide their comments and more on. They have nothing to add
>>98186479You're not an authority, you're someone wasting their time attempting to (in vain) push the overton window of the OSR becsuse of some sort of personal grudge against 2e. You have no authority here.
>>98184200Χαῖρε, Ἀλέξανδρε!Chaire, Alexandre!>>98186199>he didn't cave when Zak demanded that he fire somebody for no good reasonWhat, I missed this completely. Can you tell us more?
>>98186501>overton windowWe'll add it to the loooooong list of words that you use to look smarter without understanding them and outing yourself as a fool in the process, son. Go back to school.>personal grudge against 2eNothing personal, it's just a bad and dead edition that practically everybody has abandoned except for a couple very slow nostalgic millennials. Those are all properties of 2e, not of me.>becsuseCase in point. Learn to spell and respect your smarter elders, son.
>>98186523Lol OK internet tough guy. You still have no authority or power here.
>>98186512Macris was apparently the guy who funded Zak's D&D with Pornstars thing, so he was involved with lots of dumb stuff. And, when Zak's ex-wife accused him of abuse, Macris threw him under the bus claiming Zak asked him to help fire someone because of politics. He was fine with Zak being a weird creep and willing to finance his biggest project, but when the threat of being connected to someone about to be cancelled appeared, Macris switched to pretending he didn't like him all along.Macris is a really scummy guy. Sells books with AI without disclosing it, tried to bully a website with legal threats for saying true but mean things about him, worked as CEO for a homosexual internet troll, just all sorts of stuff where even just casually looking into him reveals he's kind of a giant fucktard. Makes sense that his discord his filled with psychotic manbabies who share weird homosexual fantasies about him with each other. Some of them even post those fantasies here.
>>98186532Not being a subhuman illiterate retard doesn't make people "tough", son. Just full human beings instead of a joke of nature.
>>98186523NTA and that guy is not who you call hillbilly but because is clearly a typo. The a and s are side by side and it is a common mobile typo.
>>98186547Lol, funny response. Yet you have no authority here.
>>98186546>worked for a homosexual>weird homosexual fantasiesYour increasing obsession about homosexuality is curious to say the least, fishfag. You bring it up all the time. Seems like additionally to all the things we already know about you you're also a repressed homosexual. Which explains your anger at the world, gays have a sense of aesthetics and don't fuck subhuman jokes of nature.
>>98186558He said he's the one who made the OP, so he's special needs hillbilly.
>>98185786>If you think that's a good thing, then you're probably part of the problem, what the OSR is reacting against.No, the OSR was just concern of future accessibility of the books. It has always been decidedly too incoherent for it to be "reacting" to any specific design shift from WotC. Because there is no authority, to the point that even something as simple as what the acronym is for is not agreed upon.Also, as has recently been mentioned in /osrg/ in the context of PCs as protagonists, rather a lot of the old official setting lore is extracting overarching narratives from player activities, which quite rarely stayed confined to your obsession.>>98185796If it actually sells as OSR and people online discuss it as OSR then common usage indicates it is in fact OSR. There are decidedly more people who agree Shadowdark is in fact included in OSR than your screeching purist retardation, and in the absence of an authority to declare standards the descriptive definitions needed to understand natural language's drift and contextual variance render them correct.>>98185801>And that's exactly what you have been doing with these threadsNo, because we haven't gone after your side's thread. Nor are our OPs overtly calling it out like yours explicating your hatred of 2e. Indeed, the OPs of these threads make a point to direct you fuckwits back to your thread, but without fail you come back along to resume flinging shit.https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/search/subject/osrg/order/asc/Of the twenty-five comprising the entire first page of oldest /osrg/ threads archived by 4plebs, it appears to take THIRTEEN of them for a post declaring 2e as not OSR to appear, which was pushed back on within the same thread:https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/45734472/#q45780321This appears to be after eight prior threads having uncontroversial discussion of it. And almost all the rest after. Yours is demonstrably not the original /osrg/ position.
>>98186546>>D&D with PornstarsI had forgotten about that whole thing. What was it, 2010 or so? It was getting some traction back then. Is that the zak thease guys keep talking about on here?
>>98186581I am the OP and that is not me. Looks like he jumped in at some point and didn't say NTA.
>>98186583>the OSR was just concern of future accessibility of the booksWrong.>If it actually sells as OSRNo, it doesn't sell, and definitely not as OSR.>b-but muh common usagelmao kill yourself retard>we haven't gone after your side's threadLiar. You've made three troll posts there only in the current thread:>>98185902>>98186223>>98186232>your hatred of 2eJust because 2e isn't OSR doesn't mean we hate it.>the OPs of these threads make a point to direct you fuckwits back to your threadHypocritical attempt to pass as a good guy while trolling.>Schizo alt historylmao kill yourself fishfag.
>>98186576You're the guy who keeps photoshopping him shirtless and constantly trying to encourage other people to praise him like you do.Jerk off to whatever you want, bruh, but keep your fantasies to yourself.
>>98186595>>Hypocritical attempt to pass as a good guy while trollingOp here, it's not trolling. It was to establish these are not by the guy who wants a war with the osrg. You guys want only a very strict view and I don't see a reason to go into your thread to troll or cause issues.So I made these. You guys are trolling here even after I in good faith tried to separate this from your endless war. You need to look in a mirror dude
>>98186601>You're the guy who keeps photoshopping him shirtlessAdmiring the work and sacrifice that is necessary to achieve a great physique has nothing to do with homosexuality.You don't understand this because you're a smelly, scrawny subhuman nerd who's never lifted a weight in his whole life, fishfag.And since it triggers you so much, here's one.
>>98186610>the guy who wants a war with the osrgNTA who made the other threads, but the only guy who wants any kind of conflict at all is the guy who can't handle people who use a different definition of OSR from him existing. Problem is, even if you don't want a conflict, just like no one else really does, it only takes one dumb asshole.
>>98186632>Admiring the work and sacrifice that is necessary to achieve a great physique has nothing to do with homosexuality.Wishing that was his body does make you gay as fuck though.
>>98186610>here, it's not trolling. It was to establish these are not by the guy who wants a war with the osrg.You're a hypocrite and have no balls.>good faithYou've never posted in good faith once in the four months you've been on 4chan.>I don't see a reason to go into your thread to troll or cause issues.No, you just send your subhuman boyfriend in to do the dirty job for you.>>98185902>>98186223>>98186232We don't fall for good cop / bad cop.
Jesus christ this troll is retarded.And gay.
>>98186646>make you gay as fuckSo what? Found the fascist.
>>98186634Pretty much. I changed the OP to make it clear it was pre 3e because the guys who are gonna troll are gonna troll no matter what. I have no say over them and the endless jihad.
>>98186649Fuck off dude, you jump at shadows and will troll no matter what I or anyone else says to you.Why don't you talk about what games you are actually working on for once and not look like a troll looking to keep his holy crusade going
>>98186610>You guys are trolling here even after I in good faith tried to separate this from your endless war.Anon, I know you're not going to like hearing this and you're going to accuse me of being one of the people ruining these threads and so on. But I want you to take what I'm about to say as a good faith attempt to warn you of something, just keep it in the back of your mind going forward and think about it whenever this bullshit happens.There can be no good faith threads in this particular realm, not because /osrg/ won't let them happen but because Fishfag is going to intentionally murder them by poisoning the well each and every time one pops up for the express purpose of letting him continue his gay little jihad.Doesn't matter if you name it /nusrg/, /todd/, /2eg/, /oosrg/ or /6dickheadswithadream/, he's going to demand you tilt windmills with him and if you don't he'll shit the place up to try and pick fights so he can a-bloo-bloo-bloo about being victimized by the BrOSR gangstalkeers and their airlooms.You, of course, are not going to believe me about this and say I'm the one causing shit.But I want you to just keep the thought in mind going forward, so that when the evidence becomes overwhelming that I'm telling you the facts, you can quietly go "Alright, shit, he was telling the truth" without feeling you have to double down.
Now back to the thread question. As you see by the map I am working on and past comments. I think I am gonna work on lands of the fallen Empire, the old demon lead Khullas empire.As I am wanting to go very S&S vibe, what races would folks suggest? I am thinking some kind of demon blooded, maybe Gnolls or lizardfolk.
>>98186660Just as long as we're clear about you having homosexual fantasies about Macris where you wish you could "Admire the work and sacrifice that is necessary to achieve a great physique" when it's pretty clear the guy has never lifted weights in his life and probably couldn't even figure out how to do so.
>>98186694>You, of course, are not going to believe meHe knows perfectly well, he's just a troll who's acting coy.
>>98186694oh I know it's a guy picking arguments, he likes to jump in and hijack comment threads too. I try and point out when he dies that to mine as he did today. But it's two sides. He baits them and the osrg guys come trolling and call everyone and their mother fishfag or claim you are working for fishfag or some shit.Until the mods step in all I can do is point out when he hijacks something and point out I am not him or somehow working for him. The osrg guys will never believe reality sadly.
>>98186694>You, of course, are not going to believe meBecause everything you say is a lie?You've got your own thread but you're instead here, shitting it up, and you think that your words have any weight at all?Stay in your thread with your definition, leave people to theirs. Actions are louder than words, and you're in the middle of trolling in a place no one wants you to be, stirring shit up while claiming you want peace. The solution is already known; fuck off.
>>98186595Welp, I tried, just bluntly gaslighting and refusing archive links again.
>>98186772Here's how fishfag "proves" that 2e is OSR. 1. He's autistically scoured through every single comment on /osrg/, sixteen years of material mind you.2. He's found a handful individual comments about 2e that weren't shouted at and another handful OPs that were foegyggy, ambiguous, or didn't bother spelling out that 2e isn't OSR because it wasn't necessary at the time. 3. He parades those two handfuls as if they were representative of the whole general for the whole sixteen years.This behavior and thought process are literally insane.
>>98186743Yet another OP mask off moment.
>>98186706I wish I could say Ape-men, but it's probably not worth the modern weirdness they get associated with.Dinosaur-men might be cool though.
You guys could just hide his comments and not engage. You believe one thing he another. Neither are gonna move on that belief. Just don't let him bait you, go to the thread you enjoy and try to report him if he comes to yours. The mods are not likely to do anything, but hey you tried.
>>98186790>>98186794Fuck off already.No one cares about your fishfag lies.No one cares about your definition of OSR.You have your own thread with your own definition. Debate yourself there.
>>98186794That isn't the OP. I responded here >>98186722That is the jihad guy trying to start shit. Ignore him
>>98186797Yeah, I was thinking apemen but there is a modern weirdness there. Dinomen might be interesting. Feathered dinomen could be a lot of fun. Great idea! Thank ya.
>>98186814No, I'm not the "jihad" guy, nor do I make any of these threads. You're doing that dumb thing where you're listening to liars when you already know they're liars, when they're right in the middle of lying.These threads are a clear and simple victory. The only people who would want to poison them are the /osrg/ trolls. Hence why they're here.
>>98184595They actually didn't. There was a bit where fish and the acks troll were both banned and these weren't the worst threads. You can go find the 2 or so that happened its pretty blatant.
>>98186841I am aware of the wonderful week they both got banned. It was nice
>>98186839Then just ignore them dude and talk about games. Trolls are gonna troll
>>98184700>The Anthropophagi of XambaalaHow'd you find this one? I skimmed it and it seemed okay but the 10' pole review was fairly negative.
>>98186790The entire first fucking page for "subject osrg, ascending order" is not cherry-picking, and the specific post linked is the first saying 2e IS NOT "osr". Again, your side has repeatedly argued originalism, it taking THIRTEEN archived /osrg/ threads with EIGHT discussing 2e without blowback before 4plebs records a single case of your position among them that was near-immediately rejected does in fact disprove that.You are welcome to give me the archive links to show a trend in your favor, but I am not spending hours assembling a screencap with full receipts if you're going to dismiss it on BLATANTLY false grounds.
>>98186841You're inventing. You do not know who or if anyone was banned, and it's kind of pointless to even propose that because of potential ban evasion.You've just made me realize that the solution to all this might actually be pretty simple: All claims that rely on conjecture are automatically dismissed.If the claim relies on information that the person cannot possibly verify, it is not accepted for discussion.That kills almost all of the pointless meta-discussion. All the "each side is one person" accusations, all the agenda discussion, and all the weird butthurt involved. Maybe game discussion will dominate again if everyone learns to stop these arguments where it's just people trying to convince everyone else their conjectures are facts.
>>98186893NTA, It's not one guy on each side for sure. But we saw the mods purn them in real time and these waiting and trolling posts vanish for 5 days.I have just been hiding the off topic stuff.Anyhow, what you you currently playing or working on?
>>98186275>AD&D is not an OSR systemGod these people are dumb. I’m over the lies, the lies don’t shock me anymore, but I’m constantly shocked by how dumb they are.If “OSR” refers to a set of game systems, then all 2e material is necessarily on-topic, unlike ACKS material. Alternately, if “OSR” refers to a play style, that means that the game system doesn’t really matter (so you can talk about ACKS if you want).
>>98186814>the jihad guyHe has a name, you know?>>98186839>No, I'm not the "jihad" guyHi, fishfag.
>>98186978No, everyone and their mothers has been called fishfag, myself included. I don't engage in that nonsense.
>>98186860>more schizo alt history ramblingswe're not an autistic fixation support group, fishfag.seek psychiatric help
>>98185645>Our group spent a good five years thinking 1e meant Basic and 2e was Advanced.lol, good, so that wasn’t just me.>>98184606Do you have a favorite FR book, either 2e or 3e? I love the 3e FRCS, but before I got into 3e I played Baulder’s Gate 2 and read Elminster novels, so I tend to think of the older stuff as the “real Faerun” even though it was before my time.>>98184624>whyElf milk.
>>98186909I also noticed not too long ago a troll got all his posts deleted and the thread was peaceful for three days, but the point is that it really doesn't matter. Suspicions can never be verified, and the argument leads to nowhere, because regardless of the evidence, it can always either be denied or pushed with no final word.So, let's just kill the first word instead. We've really spent too much time letting the discussion be molded by people who have zero interest in either facts or games, and instead want to endlessly argue about how their conjecture must be true. We're talking about some conjectures that are routinely repeated even if they're also routinely demonstrated that they're unlikely at best but more generally nearly impossible.As for what I'm working on, I actually finished up a short homebrew game for a few friends that started off as an experiment in dungeon crawling minimalism but ended up with us playing it for three sessions anyway. But, the novelty has worn off and my friend is planning on running a more serious game, probably some flavor of OD&D, so I'm just waiting for those details while happy to take a break from DMing.
>>98186938>>2e is not an OSR system>AD&D is not an OSR systemLearn to read, fishfag.>If “OSR” refers to a set of game systems, then all 2e material is necessarily on-topicNo, because "OSR" refers to pre-2e game systems, fishfag.>you can talk about ACKS if you wantAnons don't need your permission to post, fishfag.
>>98186992The vologuides. I can not recommend them enough. They are great lore dumps and gives you a real feeling for the locations
>>98186988>No, everyone and their mothers has been called fishfagLook, either it's one guy or all of your mothers had cravings for the same brand of lead paint chips when they were pregnant with you.We know for a fact there's one shitter that's willing to lie, cheat, falseflag, faggot about and act fucking retarded in order to get what he wants, a full throated "No bad tactics only bad targets" untermensch.So why shouldn't we be suspect when we see posts going>I'm totes a new person and I also agree with [THING RETARD SAID]>Wow, I too am new to this thread and I also think he is right :)>Y'all a hootenannyin' 'bout them /osrg/ chuds? >Well I reckon they be a bunch of low down varmints son, now let me go back to wranglin' lil' dawgies. Rawhide.etc, etc.He's been up to this for about 18 months by this point at least, given that's give-or-take when he first earned his nickname.Either it's one retard, or one retard and his discord programmer socks brigade.And neither of them have, even once mind you, contributed to any thread they've been in in a constructive manner.
>>98186992>>>Our group spent a good five years thinking 1e meant Basic and 2e was Advanced.>lol, good, so that wasn’t just me.The number of retards in this thread is astounding
>>98186993I don't buy into it's one guy nonsense. But yeah you can't tell as everyone has the same names and I am tired of their stupid wars.Short one shot games can be fun. It's how I am gonna try an hook some folks on OSR later. I ignored OD&D stuff for years, assuming incorrectly it would be closer to BX. Now I have kinda fell in love with Swords and Wizardry Revised and feel foolish for ignoring it for so long lol.
>>98187016lmao, look at this template>I like [2e setting book]. I can not recommend it enough. It's a great lore dump and gives you a real feeling for the locationsYou can literally use it interchangeably for any setting book. You're literally not saying anything. Your attempts at having fake conversation with zero actual content are fucking hilarious.
>>98186893>You've just made me realize that the solution to all this might actually be pretty simple: All claims that rely on conjecture are automatically dismissed.That would be pretty funny, actually. That would basically kill the /osrg/ trolls' entire method of arguing.
>>98186893>All claims that rely on conjecture are automatically dismissed.You're not an authority though. :)
>>98187049Son, I was asked what books. The vologuides are classic for FR. Hell they did fucking inns reviews and recipes with rating. Damn fine in universe lore booksFucking add something to the thread about games and stop your no game trolling.
>>98187073Just ignore him.Just automatically dismiss him even.
>>98187055Do that and hide them without responding. They add nothing of worth to threads
>>98187081I should have but gods that was a stupid post by someone who seems to have never played in real games. The stupid shit they say makes me respond when I should just ignore em
>>98187073>Fucking add something to the threadHere you go>I like [Planescape]. I can not recommend it enough. It's a great lore dump and gives you a real feeling for the locations.>I like [Dark Sun]. I can not recommend it enough. It's a great lore dump and gives you a real feeling for the locations.>I like [Spelljammer]. I can not recommend it enough. It's a great lore dump and gives you a real feeling for the locations.>I like [Ravenloft]. I can not recommend it enough. It's a great lore dump and gives you a real feeling for the locations.Wow, we're having a real conversation! This thread is totally alive!
>>98187018So you banned all 2e posters from the general over one guy. Great.
>>98186993>I actually finished up a short homebrew game for a few friends that started off as an experiment in dungeon crawling minimalism but ended up with us playing it for three sessions anyway.Long, long time ago, I started a game with my high school mates during a camping trip. They had never played D&D before, and I hadn't brought my books, so we were just sitting around the campfire while I tried to roughly recreate In Search of the Unknown from memory.I hadn't brought dice, but one guy took two big logs with flat ends, divided up the faces into 6 sections and 20 sections, and we threw knives at them, like a game of darts.That was the start of a campaign that lasted almost three years.
>>981871952e has been off-topic from /osrg/ from long before fishfag came around.And he's not just "one guy", we're talking about one subhuman with literal, clinical autism who was trolling /osrg/ incessantly every day, multiple hours a day. And his specific obsession was lawyering the OP to claim that 2e was on topic, with arguments like>A decade lasts 11 years, so 2e is on topic.>The first decade is not 1974-1983 but 1980-1990, so 2e is on topic.And so on. Incessantly.So in the end we've CLARIFIED the OP so he wouldn't be able to try to lawyer his ass in.
>>98187195No, that's all just lies he made up to try and justify why he should be allowed to ban 2e.Just ignore him.
>>98187221NTA but this is fantastic. I can just see dudes around a campfire doing just this. It sounds like something we would have done back in the day.Thanks for sharing this story
>>98187194NTA , but I can add:>I like [Birthright], it has some great ideas for doing domain focused campaigns.>I like [Al-Qadim], it has some really great rules for interacting with genies.>>98187235Funny that the anti-2e posters still invade this thread fork and complain about any mention of 2e when this fork was intended to include 2e in the conversation.
>>98187266Ya know, it's kinda funny for how much some of these guys drone on about domain play, they ignore the one setting built totally around the concept. I keep telling myself I am gonna read birthright, but never do.
>>98187306Truth be told, I never liked the idea of Domain play. It all seems like a chore compared to dungeon crawling. Somebody sell me on it.
>>98187024It’s because there are significant mechanical breaks between basic and AD&D, but 2e is still AD&D, most AD&D players have never cared about the difference.>>98187018Stretch your legs, drink some water, pet a cat, maybe think about going outside for a few minutes. You are giving yourself brain problems and you need a break.
>>98187195It was never just one guy. That's just what they need to say or they lose their casus belli.The trolls thinks they're some sort of meme-o-mancers. If they keep forcing their "fishfag" meme, then they can do whatever they want by calling anyone they disagree with fishfag.Truth of the matter? They already know 2e is OSR. Probably always knew. But they can't admit that, especially now, because they'll have wasted thousands of hours fighting against their fishfags about it.
>>98187346>2e is still AD&DOn planet retard, maybe.
>>98187352>It was never just one guy.If there's so many of you, why are you so utterly unable to have a conversation about games that isn't obviously fake, fishfag?
>>98187376If they're so fake, why do you insert yourself into these threads and constantly screech while trying to convince everyone how fake the conversations must be?If they're so obviously fake, your best move would be to leave them alone, let the fake conversations pile up, and have everyone see what fake conversations look like.Kind of like why people are leaving your /osrg/ alone.
>>98187336It can be done right. Birthright does it in a way where it's on a layer that you can interact with about as much as you're inclined to. You're still expected to adventure around, and the bigger picture stuff happens on a much larger time-scale so you're not constantly playing a game of Diplomats and Declarations.
>>98187385>why do people keep telling me my definitions are wrong?! It must be because I'm more popular. This is the sort of delusional thinking that goes with your evidence of ACKS shills.
>>98187432People here seem to have faith that if the threads are left to themselves, things will work out.You seem to believe that you need to be constantly trolling or your whole world will fall apart.If you don't actually believe that, go back to your thread and stay there.
>>98186718Everyone in that picture has serial killer eyes.
>>98187385>this is an open thread>nyooooo you can't post in it>nyooooo when I lie you must not prove I'm lying
>>98187385>people are leaving your /osrg/ alone.Stop lying, you've have FOUR troll posts nuked in the current /osrg/ thread just today.
>>98187515You've made a mistake.> For the purpose of this thread OSR is defined as an emulation of pre-3e D&D either with mechanics, style or even vibe. This includes old-school D&D, retroclones, neoclones and broader OSR-adjacent and retro games.That is what this thread is about.If you won't accept that, you need to stay in your thread instead of trolling here.
Last thread:>Macris is GoebbelsThis thread:>>98187506>Macris is a serial killerFishfag's schizophrenia is getting worse every week. Gary willing he'll get run over by a truck when he runs naked across the highway shouting that he's a spiritual being made of light and 2e is OSR.
>>98187543>For the purpose of this thread, apples are bananasThey aren't, though.>nyooooooooooooo you can't say that
He's just really going hard with the trolling, huh.Confirmation of this. >>98187479
>>98187555Disagreeing with your deranged claims is not "trolling".
>>98187336Never been my thing either, which is why I never looked much into birthright. I was already buying a few games and too many settings. It just didn't appeal
>>98186857Look at this review, this guy seems weirdly hung up on formatting? I don't really like the OSE style bullet points, I find it makes it harder to remember details when I'm actually running it. Yeah, the language is kind of flowery and there were times where some important information about a room was kind of buried in the text. Read it with a highlighter, which is what I've always done anyway before running an adventure to get it in my head. Otherwise, the adventure is a ton of fun, classic RE Howard shit. The dungeon at the end is one of the better ones I've run, very fun to explore with lots of terrain diversity.
>>98187424Honestly that does sound more appealing then normal domain play. IIRC there was some kind of bloodline stuff going on where you could kill folks and steal powers or something. Seemed very highlander rules from the outside looking in at the time
>>98187568Most people who do domain play just make their own rules, because most domain stuff really doesn't need some sort of Civilization-level simulation and that actually works against it.I think the best "domain play" in any game was actually in Baldur's Gate 2. You go do a side quest, and end up getting a castle. If you regularly visit the castle afterwards, you can pick up some taxes, make a few broad decisions, and occasionally get asked to make a few judgments that play out like brief court sessions. No micro-managing, just getting the benefits of power, the ability to exercise that power, and a measure of authority.I've done dozens of different forms of domain management, both in video games and tabletop games, and BG2 is probably the best model to use for a ttrpg.
>>98187578Bryce's reviews have some fairly consistent specifics, some of those line up with what I tend to like, some don't matter as much but it has been a useful measure over time. >Read it with a highlighter, which is what I've always done anyway before running an adventure to get it in my head.I tend to mark up rulebooks but for some reason writing in the module doesn't click for me and I make sticky notes or index cards or folded up graph paper. Bullet points work well for that too ime but sometimes modules take the format for the be all end all. There's a mix of evocative language and clear presentation to be had in the middle somewhere.
>>98187620Don't think I ever played that one. I don't tend to run a campaign more than a year or two at most. And if we get to stuff like home ownership or something I don't normally get to math or rules heavy.Not OSR, but I run a lot of deadlands. And one game got very "domain" like, they had brought land and business and at least one steam boat and they wanted to buy this pharmacy and we went down a rabbit hole on costs in 1883 and one guy had his head on the table and yelled "I don't play to do accounting, let me shoot something" and we all about died laughing
>>98187623>>and I make sticky notes or index cards or folded up graph paperNTAYRTT, but my GF does this. Her PHB, DMG, and MM are covered in tabs and if you flick though me you find many colored sticky notes and index cards. Her DM screen is the same and his has these bundles of index cards just taped together for notes. It is....not how I do it lol.
>>98187620The one time my players actually reached levels that warranted stronghold creation, I just handled most of the rules in the background and asked players what they wanted to do between adventures.
>>98187623The issue with bullet points is that there's a point somewhere where you abstract the description so much that it just doesn't really come together holistically, and I just have trouble remembering the room altogether. Imo the ideal middle ground is short, punchy paragraphs with precise bolding/highlighting.
>>98187194>>98187266I do find it funny how the people who he keeps saying hate 2e because [Fucking insanity goes here] have better conversations about 2e than he and his ilk.It's almost like it's not about hating 2e, it's just about wanting it to be somewhere else/in its own thread.
>>98187726>it's just about wanting it to be somewhere else/in its own thread.Long time since I last shared this image.
>>98187785The irony of you using this image in this thread is very funny.
>>98187785This has been added to my memes
>>98187675lolI once was in a group where one player was a prince, and the DM asked him about his tax policy.The group argued about fantasy taxes for two hours until one guy pointed out what we were doing.
>>98187336The basic idea of Domain play is that you are playing the ruler or a member of a ruling council in charge of a location called a "Domain." This domain could be a fortress, village, town, temple or even things like ships. With Domain play you control how you domain develops and if it does things like go to war.Domain play was originally born out of the original wargame loop D&D was born from.>Start as a level 1 soldier that would be part of an infantry unit in a wargame or a level 1 magic user apprentice.. >At level 4 that soldier would now be the equivalent of a Hero unit in a wargame>At level 5 the former magic-user apprentice would be a lower tier Wizard unit>At level 8 the soldier is no a Superhero unit in a wargame (not quite a general, but the unit you throw at enemy dragons, wizatds and other monsters)>At level 9 the soldier is now an army's Lord or general and so attracts a free army once a stronghold is founded>At level 10 the magic user is now a full power Wizard unit.A lot of the original high level play in D&D was about recruiting new units to fight other player's armies.>>98187620I'd argue that the Suikoden series is a better example and implementation of Domain play.Most of the time the issue with Domain play is that their are very few gains for proper Domain management. Without mass battles there are few few reasons to develop the base of an army.>>98187785Funny it seems more like the grey mass should be the one with the OSR label and the red ones should have a Pre-3e label as the OSRg group is the one chasing the players wanting to include 2e in their conversations.
>>98187802Yeah lol, it happens you get side tracked. That same game I used to make them give me names for NPCs and do when they brought the steamboat and hired a crew, the game got detailed as everyone searched online for porn star names.The captain was Peter Gobblecock(an actual real name)
>>98187814>>Hickman manifesto>>Story-driven play>>Bowdlerizing>>Character building minigames>>XP for whatever the DM says>>Don't do wandering monsters>>Don't do exploration>>Dragonlance>>AD&D 2e>>WotC D&D>that's what OSR means!lmao you just proved the image. You're on panel 4, when a bunch of 2etards enter an OSR space and try to redefine the meaning of OSR.
>>98187941>OSR spaceHence why this thread is separate from yours? Unless you think you have some kind of ownership over /tg/ and the term "OSR", which is lol
>>98186391>Rules Cyclopedia>a solid choice for BX based gamingIt's BECMI, you retard.
>>98187974It's a BX based. Do you think it's based off 0e or Ad&d? Those are the three TSR D&D systems
>>98187958Don't reply to him. He's intentionally making the dumbest possible argument just to try and get you's.
>>98187958>>98187941You're going to be getting into if /tg/ or /4chanel/ is the separate space. Which makes sense, the whole thing is a couple idiots having category error problems. Doesn't help there's at least one >>98187984of these on both sides of that bullshit.
>>98187958You're calling "OSR" something that is not only not OSR, but antithetical to the OSR itself. So no, you're the ones who are appropriating the OSR label to make it mean whatever they think it means on plebbit.
>>98187984>If someone proves you wrong, stick your fingers in your ears and shout "lalalalalala I can't hear you you're a troll!!11!!"
Guys, ignore the trolls trying to pull you into arguments about what OSR is or is not.
>>98186512>What, I missed this completely. Can you tell us more?Alexander Macris founded and used to own the site The Escapist, you know, the site where Zero Punctuation was posted. Another one of their video series was I Hit It With My Axe, Zak's show about running D&D for his various prostitute friends, which IIRC was Zak's first paid RPG-related work. After he filmed one or two seasons and they became popular, Zak decided he was too big to fail so he should call the shots around the website now, and demanded that Macris fire some guy that Zak thought was a tranny hater for some reason. Macris refused, so Zak violated the terms of his contract with The Escapist, refused to finish the season of IHIWMA he was working on, and never repaid the money Macris had given him to produce it. Somehow, in Zak's mind this all made Macris an evil man, and that's the origin of the troon hate mob against ACKS.>>98186546>bizarre Fishfag alt historyUnironically seek help.
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>>98188012NTA, but yes, it's a few folks on both sides and the argument goes 24/7 though all timezones. That alone means it has to be a few folks. Hell you can watch em on up by shift almost
>>98186583>No, the OSR was just concern of future accessibility of the books.Lmao,the fucking desperation. It's plainly obvious to anybody that this is just thread sliding troll shit that you've invented to aid your revisionist OSR definition, because you cannot find one single source to back this up, not a single one, and you've never even pretended to post one. Any source you can find will tell you the same thing: the genesis of the OSR was about creating and publishing new material for AD&D to support the original D&D play style of the 1970s. Even ludicrous sources that admit all manner of shit as OSR admit that this is how it started.
It's amusing the folks always trolling and calling everyone no games, do everything except ever talk about games
>>98188058That anon is the same one who can't accept written confessions as proof or the author of a game saying its not osr as it being not osr. They think someone talking about a game they like in a subredit about that game is shilling. They very clearly don't care about evidence. Its just a word they use to mean >magic card that makes me right Its typical internet narcissist stuff.
>>98188035>New desperate attempt by fishfag to make his nickname go awayIt won't work, we've explained this to you a million times. You want to make your nickname go away? Start behaving like a normal human beings instead of spamming schizo alt histories.
>>98188028Thanks for the summary, Anon.
>>98186583>pushed back on within the same threadKek it's one mong claiming 2e should count as OSR because that "would be easier", and nobody even deigns to respond to it. One autist having some sort of streamlining fixation is hardly an avalanche of pushback. The funniest thing is I actually remember reading that and going "eh, better not to even make the effort to reply, it'll probably just start a flamewar. That speg's retarded ideas don't matter".
You guys really need to get a mod here. He's not going to stop on his own.
>>98188072There's lots of talk about games on /osrg/, unlike here.
>>98186595>Just because 2e isn't OSR doesn't mean we hate it.This. There definitely are guys who hate it and for good reason, but the OP isn't hating on 2e and most of us would be happy for 2efags to go their own way and have their own thread, as was made clear when /2eg/ was posted. It just isn't an OSR game, so it doesn't belong in the OSR General any more than 3e or 4e does. This shouldn't be an issue or controversial, only this one deranged autist is absolutely fixated on what he considers his right to parasitize off us.
This guy is still going on about how only one guy thinks 2e is OSR.If that's true, and Matt Finch says 2e is OSR, that means he thinks he's fighting against Matt FInch.
>>98186601>he unironically does not understand the jokeI'm in constant awe at your abysmal level of anything comprehension. How is it possible to be this fucking dumb?
>>98188140Stop feeding the trolls dude.
>>98188117Then go there and stop trolling because it seems like you are all no game trolls
>>98188072Its come up 5 times in the last 2 threads including your post. Its not a good deflection.
>>98188058>Any source you can find will tell you the same thing: the genesis of the OSR was about creating and publishing new material for AD&D to support the original D&D play style of the 1970s.How about we ask the guy who made OSRIC. He disagrees. He disagrees so hard that he helped make LL, which is a B/X clone instead of an AD&D clone, and also made S&W, an OD&D clone. Pretty clear that he didn't think OSR was just about AD&D.In fact, we actually have his OSR primer where he explains that the OSR was a reaction to 3rd edition. Which makes sense, because the OSR started shortly after 3rd edition was released. That's a pretty good source.
>>98188183What are you talking about? The trolling and endless osrg war? I have no control over those trolls
>>98188197>always >5 times including your own Dude you have to be able to remember your own posts otherwise no one will understand you.
>>98188215Once more, no clue what you are talking about. Link the posts you think are mine so we both know what you are talking about
>>98188195If you aren't citing Macris or Gygax than no one cares.
>>98188168Correcting your historical inaccuracies is not trolling.
>>98188147He sees a joke and he thinks it's homosexuality. Add it to the mountain of evidence that fishfag has a broken theory of mind.
>>98188235There are faster ways to get to 312.
>>98188252We'd be going even a step further than Finch, because Gygax endorsed Castles & Crusades as embodying the old school style and being what he considered the spiritual successor to AD&D, including making it the home of his spiritual continuation of Greyhawk. And, C&C includes some 2e mechanics and even was built on the d20 system.On the spectrum where the two ends are "Every game is OSR" and "BrOSR-style strict AD&D only", Gygax is closer to that former end of the spectrum than even Finch was, because Finch was unsatisfied with C&C (which he also worked on) and made OSRIC. And even Finch thinks 2e is OSR.
>>98188279I get you guys troll to hit the bump limit, you do it every time. but I have no fucking clue what you are on about
>>98188281LMAO more schizo alt historyTotally not fishfag, though!>Gygax endorsed Castles & Crusades as embodying the old school style and being what he considered the spiritual successor to AD&DSource: Your ass.He just made a contract to publish stuff under the C&C brand, fishfag.>including making it the home of his spiritual continuation of GreyhawkOnly in name. The Greyhawk books used the AD&D rules, not the C&C rules, which are retarded and that Gary never even read, fishfag.
>>98184656>I'm not going to spoonfeed you the false dichotomy I invented to reinforce my delusions.>The game loop is identicalThere is no gameloop on 3E.
>>98188279Absolutely. For every meme image you post, you get one free assmangled comment from fishfag saying that he's winning. Proof.
>>98188292Billy. The post you don't understand directly links to the post its talking about. I get you just got here from mowing the lawn but get some water, stop drinking so much and click the little red meme arrows we use here.
>>98188298The game loop is>1. DM says to do something.>2. You do that thing.>3. DM gives you XP for following along with the railroad.>4. Go back to (1).And it's exactly the same for 2e, 3e, and 5e.
>>98188298>There is no gameloop on 3E....What? There is, its just >Kill monsters>Get XP >Get better at killing monsters Its what happens when your remove GP for XP. Its a direct line. It even has to be if you take the >OSR is a reaction to 3rd ed position.
I'll think I'll add the following to the next thread"Debates over what is and is not OSR are off topic here. The thread is clear on what is OSR for this thread. Report such posts as off topic and ignore the trolls"Take your endless argument elsewhere
>>98188294I understand you're just trolling, but you can't keep moving the goal posts.Finch doesn't count as a source?Now Gygax doesn't count as a source?If your goal is to burn any trust or faith in yourself, by all means, keep going.
>>98188338Again, Gygax was saying all kind of bullshit for money at that point in his life. There's a reason the OSR period ends in 1983 and not in 2008, the year Gary died.
>>98188336Apologies.I thought the guy might have a drop of shame, but apparently he does plan on just goal post shifting forever.
>>98188338>fishfag thinks Gygax would have said "No, I haven't played C&C because it's dogshit!" while marketing a module under the C&C brand.You're unbelievably retarded. Hilariously so.
>>98186839>These threads are a clear and simple victoryYeah, they look victorious lmao>The only people who would want to poison them are the /osrg/ trolls.You mean, you're fine with these threads because they try to usurp /osrg/ unlike how you shitposted /2eg/, /nsrg/ and /todd/ into oblivion and kept trying to force people from there back into /osrg/?
>>98188403They are just here to troll and shit up the thread. Just ignore them
>>98188338Pretty suspicious shilling by Gygax there. Its obvious there was some sort of cabal.
I also do not need to worry about structured domain play right now, but it’s cool, I would enjoy it as a player. And it’s nice to hear about Birthright because it means that at least one of the osr threads is discussing actual AD&D domain play.
>>98188566>oneI actually wonder how often people did domain play honestly. I think we did in maybe one game and it was more "this is my home, I have some hirelings that run it" and that was pretty much it.
>>98188566The Birthright setting is under-appreciated because it's too easy to just focus on the domain stuff without looking at what the domain stuff does to the world.It's a strange place, where whole countries take on characteristics of their leaders (or maybe vice versa), so you have countries that end up having strong personalites and identities. The evil countries in particular are fun.
>>98188028>the troon hate mob against ACKSIs fishfag, remember? It’s always been fishfag, anyone who disagrees with you is fishfag, because you’ve been fishfagging all along and that’s why the rest of the internet hates you.
>>98188655>Fishfag with one more desperate attempt to make the "fishfag" nickname go away.
>>98188709>>>98188709kys yourself SacredCow, you're a trollcow
I'm an eternal lurker.I will give my two cents.The fisfag meme is forced and retarded, If I were a mod I would ban anybody that types "fishfag" on a thread.At the end of the day is just complete delusion from people that don't like ACK because the author hates transexuals or something.
>>98188821lol
I too am a totally unconnected posters showing up after fish to say I, I mean he, doesn't exist! Very much unlike the ACKS brigadding and shilling, which 100% exists trust me. No I don't have proof.
>>98188821That might be the fastest way to bring instant peace to this board.
>>98188821>>98188848Yes, because that would purge the acks brigade. But if we’re going back in time to banfilter words then we might as well go back to 2014-ish and banfilter the word “tranny”, then we can save the whole board.
>>98188821>>98188841I'm just another random stray dog wanderin' in after the fishfagging's done, fixin' to swear up 'n down that I—uh, I mean he—ain't even real!Now, that don't mean nuthin' like them ACKS polecats swarmin' and hucksterin' all over the place. That mess is hundred-percent real, y'all just gotta take my word for it.No sir, I ain't got a lick of proof, but it's gospel anyways!
>>98188889Landsakes, I too am a wanderer from the plains, fresh off the ol' cowstead or whatever the fuck, and I'm here to say that fishfag is totally not a real person. I know, because I've never met him. Yeehaw!
>>98187195First of all, no posters have ever been banned from the general. Off-topic posting was disallowed, as in all generals – especially when it was deliberate shitposting. Secondly, 2e was never on topic. Thirdly, there was only ever one guy trying to force 2e in spite of the clear OP text, so it's not like anybody else got driven off. The recent clarification was done partly to make the scope of the thread clearer to newfriends, and partly to prevent that one guy from trying to quibble the same phrase over and over and over and over and... but if you had normal reading comprehension, it was always clear from the OP that 2e did not belong in the thread – which is obvious if you know anything about the OSR anyway, since 2e isn't an OSR game.
If you wanna talk about the osrg, do it in the osrg
>>98189032All those lies, and you still can't get past >>98188140 >>98188195Go back to your containment thread and stay there.
>>98187306>it's kinda funny for how much some of these guys drone on about domain play, they ignore the one setting built totally around the conceptAre you familiar with the concept of a product being total dogshit?This is why nobody cares about Birthright. The actual rules are Shit McAss. No surprise that it didn't sell more than two digits' worth of copies. Even 2etards knew it was trash.
ACKS is a targeted game. Multiple groups are working in concert to discredit the great work of Alexander Macris.
>>98189050Then talk about something else, maybe the thread question about what you are playing or working on.There are a few conversations going on, you don't have to engage in topics you dislike
>>98187376What I want to know is, if they're so many, why do they so consistently fail at having conversations *of any kind*, at all, to the point that even "their" own threads get completely overrun by 2-3 anons pointing out that "their" definition of OSR is ridiculous drivel? Take this thread for example, it's not like it's getting flooded or anything, it's a leisurely conversation about how retarded "their" alt history is, and yet there's like, ten? posts' worth of attempts at anything resembling a different conversation, regardless of quality. There's literally fucking nobody here talking about games, which wasn't the case for even the most heavily trolled /osrg/s.
>>98187385>Kind of like why people are leaving your /osrg/ alone.But speg... you were trolling in it just hours ago. What do you mean, leaving it alone?
>>98187958It's not about ownership, it's about the fact that you're trying to force something into the label "OSR" which factually isn't OSR. If you try to force the idea that the sun orbits the earth and somebody tells you "no, the earth orbits the sun actually", that guy isn't asserting ownership over the sun such that he gets to decide what orbits it should move in. He's just correct, whereas you're retarded.
>>98187983Again with your retarded homebrew definitions. No, nobody says that. Nobody divides it that way. You made that up literally in the last one of these troll threads. RC is not B/X.
>>98189148It's BX based, do you think it's based off Ad&d or Od&D? If so you would be the first
>>98189139You're still unable to get past >>98188140 >>98188195Fuck off already. No one can take you seriously ever again.
>>98189165No one ever did.
>>98188195>How about we ask the guy who made OSRIC.That's Stuart Marshall. I know you mean Finch, but he only came aboard to help out with the legal side, making sure XP tables and such were legally distinct. Then he took over the entire operation when Marshall got tired of dealing with it.>He disagrees so hard that he helped make LLNo he didn't lmao. Finch wasn't involved in Labyrinth Lord at all, that was Daniel Proctor.>and also made S&W, an OD&D clone• He made that years later,• OD&D is older than AD&D, believe it or not, so how that's supposed to disprove the OSR being about the 1970s play style is beyond me, and• it's a garbage LBB clone, with its single save and broken OD&D mechanics.>In fact, we actually have his OSR primer where he explains that the OSR was a reaction to 3rd editionHe absolutely does not say that in the original primer, and even if he did that wouldn't make it any truer. In the original primer he says nothing about the origins of the OSR, just tells you to download S&W or buy OD&D. You're deliberate quoting his 2024 post-woketard-turn revision of the Primer, which nobody in the history of the OSR has ever cared about. You're only latching on to it because of a retarded belief that it's some sort of slam dunk proof even though you've been told a million times that nobody cares and it's the opposite of authoritative.Anyway, TL;DR, kill yourself.
>>98188767>trollcowThis again? LMAOYou never learn, do you.
>>98188879>t. Roon
>>98189044What has the bizarre faggotry of latter-day Matt Finch got to do with anything I said? Matt Finch doesn't post the new /osrg/ threads.
>>98189081The best domain play rules are in ACKS, as you know very well by now. Not much more to add to that, is there?>There are a few conversations going onL M A O O O O
>>98189044>>98189165>if I declare that you're unable to get past it, that makes it true!Kek, I bet you actually believe this sincerely, you schizo freak. Good luck with that.
>>98189155The Rules Cyclopedia is based off of BECMI. This is trivial to look up.
>>98189228>How do I get past it?>I know, I'll just try to downplay what Finch did, and even outright lie that he didn't help out with Labyrinth Lord>I'll also lie about how his 2008 primer didn't make it clear that the distinction between old school games and modern games was marked by 3e being modern...>that still won't get me past the fact that Finch says 2e is OSR, and my entire enterprise insists on lying about only one person thinking 2e is OSR, which if true means I'm fighting against Matt Finch...It's not just Finch though. There's literally thousands of people who correctly identify as OSR being pre-2000 editions of D&D and games inspired by them. It's just very amusing that you still insist on trying to tell your "it's only one guy" lie, and we have clear and objective confirmation (that you're still trying to deny shamelessly) that Matt FInch believes 2e is OSR so he'd be the one you'd have to argue with.
>>98189267I find them to fiddly and overdone. I don't want that level of detail. It's to much so I would not even consider it
>>98189318The details are also bad. Particularly how bland and generic everything is. It's actually quite comparable the overlong nonsense that ChatGPT spews out.
>>98189277I am aware the whole set has a name. But in 83 that set was called BX as it's the BX system. C came in 84, M in 85 and I in 86. But they are add ones to the same system. It's still the same system with add oneSo it's a BX based system. Which is what I stated. You knew what I was talking about but you have to act all pretentious.
>>98189330It's just to much for what I want. If other folks like it, cool. But it's not for me and I would not consider something like that "the best". Others might but not for me
>>98188313>I don't form my own opinions through experience.We can tell, fagaloon.
>>98189339That's not a bad approach for most systems, but I actually think it's a system that makes DMs worse DMs. I'd genuinely encourage DMs to play just about anything else, because it's just nonstop examples of some of the worst ways to design (and employ) subsystems.
>>98189309>He got a shout out in the acknowledgements for looking over the manuscript>this means he helped create Labyrinth LordCould you reach any harder? Anyway, your own standard here makes Trent Foster an equal authority with Matt Finch. Let's see what he has to say about the OSR! >As mentioned above, our aim is not just to recreate the hobby of the 70s because the hobby of the 70s ultimately failed by morphing into the hobby of the 80s and 90s that we don't like and are reacting against. We don't want to recreate that history, we want to take what was good about the 70s hobby, strip it of the embryonic bad elements, and let it develop anew the way it wasn't allowed to the first time around because it got strangled by crap. The point isn't nostalgia, neither is it blind fetishization of the "old," it's a conscious effort to create an "alternate history" what if scenario -- what if D&D had maintained the spirit of [choose your poison: OD&D c. 1974, AD&D c. 1979, AD&D + Gygax's additions up through UA] and hadn't turned to crap at the hands of Zeb and Ed and Jeff and Tracy and Jim? What if non-D&D rpgs had continued to be more like Boot Hill and Classic Traveller and Stormbringer and hadn't turned into the bloated style-over-substance splatbook and metaplot-ridden wankfests?Sauce and more:>https://knights-n-knaves.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5969
>>98189309NTAYou're doing the >all evidence I don't like is made up thing again.
>>98189415GMs and players should play multiple systems IMO. It makes you both a better player and GM to experience it. Hell even try some narrative systems as they can stretch the way you think and make you better at adaptation.
>>98189309>There's literally thousands of people who correctly identify as OSR being pre-2000 editions of D&DNo there aren't. You can't just say that shit and make it true. Don't forget, we all watched you make up this retarded alt-history in real time, we know perfectly well that it's a desperate invention. You can't talk us out of that.
>>98189332>So it's a BX based system.No, it's not. It's the BECMI system. RC is BECMI-based.
>>98189084>What I want to know is, if they're so many, why do they so consistently fail at having conversations *of any kind*, at allI've asked them directly a dozen times. They always say it's my fault for "trolling". Right.
>>98189339nono, everyone has to be part of my crusade against ACKS, you have to agree its satan or you're part of the shilling. Certainly can't take and use the various parts of many things in OSR if they're by the bad man.
>>98189267>The best domain play rules are in ACKSWell duh
>>98189444No, it's based on BX And TSR called it such. But I am not gonna argue with you. Call it whatever ya like. You do you.
>>98189415Lmao, you're so fucking madMalding from hell to breakfast
>>98189453>And TSR called it suchLMAOThe nutty shit this retard busts out, apparently from spontaneous inventionTSR never used *either* the designation B/X *or* the designation BECMI for either of those editions.
>>98189450Eh outside of this place and their own discord no one is talking about that game. Not sure why it's the big issue, but eh I don't have the mental energy or desire to climb down that rabbit hole.
>>98189415>it's a system that makes DMs worse DMsHilarious, coming from someone who's unable to create a character sheet for fucking B/X on his SECOND ATTEMPT
>>98189450To be honest. The rules unique to ACKS are dogshit outside of its downtime fishng rules.
>>98189453B/X was written by Moldvay. BECMI was written by Frank Mentzer while both are similiar being Basic D&D, they're different enough to warrant different titles in a conversation.
>>98189480>B/X was written by Moldvay.Wrong. It's hilarious how retarded you all are on this totally-not-a-general.
>>98189436That's certainly an opinion.You can hold onto it if you want.But, if you want to treat Foster as an equal authority with Matt Finch, that works in reverse. You have to accept Matt Finch as an equal authority with Foster, and accept that there are people in the OSR who agree that 2e is an OSR game.Do you really not get it? You're free to be as wrong as stupid as you want, just as stupid as your new Foster hero. But, that stops the moment you try to insist everyone has to be as wrong and stupid and ahistorical as you. You're still trying to promote the ideas of a small minority within the OSR as if they were the majority or some sort of vital core, and yet even parts of what you consider to be the core disagree with you.The OSR is open to many differing opinions about what "old school" gaming is really about, and you can hold onto whatever version you want. No one is saying you can't have your personal, completely wrong, factually incorrect, and totally dishonest definition, because you being a complete fucking idiot isn't anyone's responsibility to change. Just shut the fuck up already and go back to your thread.Also,>this means he helped create Labyrinth LordLiterally yes, that's what helping means.
>>98189480Call it what you like, they are both lumped into BX platforms.
>>98189487>You have to accept Matt Finch as an equal authority with FosterWrong.>there are people in the OSR who agree that 2e is an OSR gameWrong. There are newfags who are under the false impression that 2e is an OSR game, when it's neither old school (since it's the first of the Hickmanfag editions) nor Revival / Renaissance (since it's dead).
>>98189505It's got thousands more players than a game like ACKS. If 2e is dead, than ACKS is ultra-dead.
>>98189505>Wrong.I mean, yeah. Foster is nowhere near the level of an authority as Finch. He's practically Finch's henchman.
>>98189487>your new Foster heroLmao as if Five Things That Needed Saying hasn't been quoted a hundred times in /osrg/. Every day you reveal yourself as a newfag in some novel way. Lurk moar, faggot.
>>98189516What's ACKS got to do with this?But no, you're also wrong. ACKS actually has a ton more support and creativity going into it than 2e, far more modules being created and so on than the deadest of all the D&D editions. Even Holmes Basic has more of a fanbase.
>>98189462>Not sure why it's the big issuebecause /pol/ culture war garbage has infected every aspect of our lives. Fish is from some sort of /lpol/ club, its in their language of >scummy >creep etc. and a few other tells. and there are a few /rpol/ guys doing the trad svol larp with ACKS. They'll both keep fucking everything up they touch.
>>98189487>bitter, desperate flailing>schizo alt-history>absolutely baseless claims made in a pompous tone as if that would give them gravitasIt's like a Fishfag greatest hits album
>>98189471The pickling rules are good. Not on par with GURPS Asparagus but pretty smokable.
>>98189559>and there are a few /rpol/ guys doing the trad svol larp with ACKS.Nah, you're wrong here, That's got nothing to do with /pol/, it's just about mocking and triggering Fishfag. At least half the ACKSposters don't even care about ACKS.
>>98189571nah, you're at pretending to be retarded enough actual retards have decided you're like minded company.
>>98189505You're the guy who proposed the idea that they should be considered equal authorities.Why is it that even when you try to get people to play your game, you still end up losing?Most people don't care about "authorities" within the OSR, because there really are none. Hell, even Gygax's direct quotes were called bullshit earlier when someone found them to be inconvenient for themselves. >>98188387But, if you want to play a game of authorities, Matt Finch has a pretty impressive resume when it comes to early OSR games. He's certainly not the ultimate authority, but it's impossible to even suggest the man was not a part of the OSR.And, we're not really fighting over who's definition is ultimately correct, because that's a fight that will literally never end and is even constantly evolving, What we're actually fighting over is you insisting that only your opinion is valid, and everyone else's opinion isn't. I think Matt Finch's opinions on what old school means are valid. And Foster is free to define what he thinks the Knights & Knaves Alehouse is about, but he can hardly speak for the OSR as a whole or even pretend he is an authority on what their original purpose was when it directly contradicts Finch's. Foster's opinions on what OSR should be are valid, and you and he are allowed to think whatever you want, but if he were trying to claim that's what the OSR was, that's demonstrably false. Most of what Foster is saying is generally wrong and could be debated to death, but it's really unimportant here because all that matters is that it's an opinion he and you are certainly allowed to have, just as long as you don't try to insist it's the only opinion that's allowed.Finch thinks 2e is OSR. Foster doesn't. With them both being part of the OSR, the only conclusion that can be made is that the OSR contains people of varying opinions. Remember, the OSR can't even all agree on what the "R" stands for.
>>98189559>there are a few /rpol/ guys doing the trad svol larp with ACKSI'm one of the guys who larps as a BrOSR right winger. I'm actually not even right wing, I only started doing it to mock and trigger fishfag.
>>98189629>mucho texto>no lo readí
>>98189649It's always nice to have argument validated by someone being frustrated by it.
>>98189629>What we're actually fighting over is you insisting that only your opinion is valid, and everyone else's opinion isn't.oh gee that's going to be so much more resolvable than >really fighting over who's definition is ultimately correctgood idea, I'm sure that'll get sorted out by the time this thread's off page 10 with enough time to resolve the differences between true, false, valid, invalid, opinion and claim. The real problem is none of you autists are able to take your own advice and ignore shit you don't like and all need to get the last word as if that matters and makes it more conclusive or authoritative and for your own spiteful jerkoffs to your own farts like >>98189654
>>98189654>If you point and laugh at my schizo alt history walls of text it means that I'm rightYour mental health is getting worse, fishfag. 4chan is not good for you. You should go back to plebbit and RPGnet.
>>98189629>who's definitionLearn to spell, third worlder
>>98189656>The real problem is none of you autists are able to take your own advice and ignore shit you don't likeI don't post in the /osrg/ and ignore it completely. I genuinely believe that them staying in their thread and leaving the other OSR threads alone is a near-ideal solution, which is kind of why I understand why they're here and trolling as hard as they can, because what's ideal for everyone else is apparently not ideal for them. >good idea, I'm sure that'll get sorted out by the time this thread's off page 10 with enough time to resolve the differences between true, false, valid, invalid, opinion and claim. They're going to troll pretty much regardless of what's said. I've been discussing games in this thread here and there, but that seems to have actually just encouraged them to flood the thread even harder with shitposts. It may be that the only solution is the one we've seen, where they eat a ban and we get a reprieve. And, considering just how much they lie if left unchecked, it may actually be dangerous to let them try to just pump threads with their propaganda entirely unanswered. I think arguing in good faith does do some good even against people who argue in bad faith.>your own spiteful jerkoffsC'mon now. Compare that to the level of trolling that the trolls are performing and you're certainly not being fair. I can understand holding everyone else to a higher standard than the most retarded trolls on this board, but permit me to have a weakness for calling out the sort of ego-driven posts a person makes even when they don't have a good argument but still feel that they have to say something.I'll take it in mind though. The only way to resolve this issue is really just to be better than these trolls.
>>98189483B/X's version of Basic, then. You obnoxious pedent.
>>98189781...is it really worth arguing with someone when he tags his posts in a way that makes it clear they're arguing in bad faith?
>>98189791Probably. Christ. I feel like a damn newfag biting bait like this.
>>98189737>If you don't let me lie about 2e being OSR you're a troll.
>>98189737>I genuinely believe that them staying in their thread and leaving the other OSR threads alone is a near-ideal solutionUh-huh, and do you have some way to force or convince them to do this? Or is your plan just to keep sperging until this thread is unusable for everyone? What's your PLAN, genius???
>>98189629>You're the guy who proposed the idea that they should be considered equal authorities.Nope. Don't know who you think you're talking to, nor do I care particularly.Finch is highly overrated in spaces like plebbit, that are infested by OSR tourists. And this thread, having been created by a plebbitor for plebbitors has the same issue.Finch's primer is criticised regularly on /osrg/ for pushing memes like "rulings before rules" and similar highly misleading claims. And he's heavily disliked for marketing his books that are full of silly houserules as faithful retroclones. OSRIC 3 is not particularly well received in many places, just look at the recent threads about it on both Dragonsfoot and RPGnet.Given these premises, when Finch updated his stupid primer with the claim that 2e is OSR nobody was surprised he'd say something like that, it was just the cherry on top of a mound of crap.And don't get me started with the Bowdlerization and political crap he's inserted into OSRIC 3.In conclusion, the fact that (You) worship Finch says everything about you and nothing about the OSR. He's just not an authority on anything.
>>98189737>And, considering just how much they lie if left unchecked, it may actually be dangerous to let them try to just pump threads with their propaganda entirely unanswered.You're just as much part of the problem as they are, perhaps worse with your facade.
The trolls are gonna troll no matter what. Just stop feeding them
>>98189878>What's your PLAN, genius???NTAYRT1. Don't lead the OP with incendiary claims about what OSR supposedly means.2. Don't start discussions you don't want to have. If you do lead the OP with incendiary claims about what OSR supposedly means, don't get mad that it people comment on it: Inviting discussion and crying about it is stupid at best and hypocritical at worst.3. Stop calling everybody who disagrees with you a troll. That's disingenuous.
>>98189881Yep. Finch *used to be* important in the early OSR, 20 fucking years ago, but he's clearly lost it and even his old collaborators don't respect him anymore. Meanwhile in those two decades guys like Melan and Grodog have maintained their rep, Prince has improved his massively, hell, even Weigel has a strong legacy as a foundational figure of the OSR. The fact that Anon has to graps at straws by looking at shit Finch wrote in the last two years and just baselessly insist that he's somehow the founder of the OSR says it all, really.
>>98189881REMINDER TO MYSELF TO COPY THIS FOR REUSE AS NEEDED, since fishfag will be repeating this autistically every day, multiple times a day, for weeks.
>>98189909Considering how you're eating up even an ounce of their propaganda, I'd call you a problem and a major one.I'm not even sure how many more signs of their lies and bad faith you even need to see before you'll be convinced that almost every single thing they say is some form of deception, but I guess time will tell.
>>98189913>NTAYRTThen don't answer, no offense. I want to know what Jihadanon's plan is. I want to know what he thinks he's going to get out of his behavior.
>>98189924>>98189928And this. I'll do a merger
>>98189913NTA but I am the OP. There is nothing incendiary in the OP. It established clear cut outlines on what is on topic for this thread and links the OSRG for those who disagree.Trolls are just trolls and yes that is what they are fucking doing. It's pure up trolling when they know they won't like this thread and we're even directed to a thread that agreed with them.You are gonna like the next OP even less as it's going to outright call this argument off topic as OSRG does 2e and recommended reporting as off topic and ignoring those trolls
>>98189930>Then don't answer, no offense.No offence taken. You're obviously very new here, though: I'll reply to whoever I want. Lurk more if you're still so confused by 4chan culture that you think you can order Anons around.
>>98189881>He's just not an authority on anything.I mean, yeah. We established that up here.>>98189629>Most people don't care about "authorities" within the OSR, because there really are none. Hell, even Gygax's direct quotes were called bullshit earlier when someone found them to be inconvenient for themselves. >>98188387>But, if you want to play a game of authorities, Matt Finch has a pretty impressive resume when it comes to early OSR games. He's certainly not the ultimate authority, but it's impossible to even suggest the man was not a part of the OSR.>Finch's primer is criticised regularly on /osrg/ for pushing memes like "rulings before rules" and similar highly misleading claims.You mean it was recommended regularly on /osrg/ as well. What part of 4chan do you not understand? That a general is not some monolithic entity where everyone always agrees on everything?The key is not that Finch is actually a supreme authority who's opinions determine the totality of the OSR. He is simply a member of the OSR, and one who contributed quite a bit to its early games, and his opinions and reasons for working on the games he did do not become invalid just because you personally disagree with them.
OP, I'm just going to leave this here for your consideration, so you have plenty of time to think about it before you post the next thread. Let me ask you seriously, what are you actually getting out of calling these OSR threads? You can see that you attract Fishfag like a moth to a flame, you know that he's a troll, and you can also tell by now that actual OSR posters aren't going to let him just blather a bunch of lies and made-up backstory unanswered. So what actually is the benefit of claiming the OSR name – in practical terms, regardless of what you personally believe about definitions?I'm just going to suggest this to you, not antagonistically, just as friendly advice: for the next thread, drop all reference to OSR. Call it /todd/ or something – that stood for "Traditional Open D&D" IIRC. Or whatever other title you prefer, of course. Include whatever games you want! Talk about all the games you like! Just skip this whole debate, bypass it once and for all. You won't feed the troll, you won't antagonize the /osrg/, it's a win-win.Think about it! That's all I have to say.
>>98189935Great, but if you do, please fix my "graps" typo or I'll fucking lose it.
>>98189937>There is nothing incendiary in the OP.You know perfectly well that that's false.>it's going to outright call this argument off Doubling down by making an incendiary claim and trying to outlaw criticising that incendiary claim? What could possibly go wrong!
>>98189878They might never be convinced to do anything, because they already know they're wrong. Very likely, the only thing that will settle this is the mods. Unfortunate, but that seems like the most likely outcome. We've already seen what letting them spam lies unchecked can do, particularly if a mod unaware of what's going on decides to just accept even half of their lies at face value.
>>98189962The OSR name doesn't belong to you, and it's actually confusing for new people arriving to this board who are familiar with how the entire rest of the internet uses OSR.Instead of being confused and wandering into your /osrg/ and being misinformed about what the OSR is, it makes more sense for you to change your name and leave the OSR to the people who actually discuss the actual full OSR. It's win-win. You don't have to deal with icky people who use OSR like everyone else does, and everyone else doesn't have to deal with you.
>>98189960Fishfag's idea of a proof:>1. Scours the archives for quotes.>2. Ignores all quotes he doesn't like.>3. Cherry picks one or two comments from years ago.>4. Builds a whole schizo theory around those.That's insane behaviour.
>>98189991>I am definitely OP and you should care what I thinkNice try, Fishfag. But you admit, then, that your aim is to usurp /osrg/, the OSR General, and take its place as the "real" OSR general?Still, I was talking to OP, not you, so fuck along now.
>>98189962>> calling these OSR threads?I call them that because they are. That simple. The two sides of the war will come no matter what you call it, no matter how even handed you try to be. They can't stop themselves.>>Call it /todd/ or somethingThat was tried and failed. They show up no matter what.>>antagonize the /osrg/,Yes, it will. Those trolls are as bad as the "guy" they hate. They can't stop.>>98189970There is nothing inflammatory in the OP. I tried being open as fuck and not calling out the Bullshit. It failed, so now I am going to pure out state it's off topic and suggest reporting. Who knows the mods may actually mod.
>>98189929Its clear you're both retarded and malicious, have been for years in your case I suspect. Are you harasser A or B? Maybe Geist, you talk like him.
>>98190004We've played this game before. There's no shortage of /osrg/ posts that recommend Finch's primer.How can you be so consistently disingenuous, constantly demonstrated to be a liar, and still imagine you can ever be taken seriously?
>>98190016/Todd/ got trolled by fish though.
>>98190011I am the OP and he is not totally wrong. How the osrg views OSR is not the norm. So when you wonder in like I did and just ask a question you get screamed at called fishfag and reported for "trolling".Then I find the other threads are all about an endless fight with the osrg. Which is why I made the Open OSR threads
>>98190031It was trolled by both sides. But it does not matter which side trolled it, it just shows the name did not matter.
>>98190042The /nusrg/ didn't get trolled though. They're just not enough to talk about to keep that kind of thing going. Something there to consider.
>>98190036Why should here be the norm again?
>>98190016>That was tried and failed. They show up no matter what.With respect, that's not true. /osrg/ did not troll /todd/. Admittedly Fishfag griped and tried to pressgang the rest of you into a sordid little raiding squadron, but firstly, you refused, and secondly, you must admit the volume of the spew was a great deal less. I also think you'd find it a great deal easier to get those posts moderated than the debateposts here, that clearly aren't off-topic for the thread in practice since that topic is all the thread is factually discussing.>Yes, it will. Those trolls are as bad as the "guy" they hate. They can't stop.That's not true at all. The guys you call trolls didn't touch /2eg/ – they just posted in support a few times – and they didn't fuck with /nsrg/ either – same thing there. If you insist on provoking debate about the definition of OSR, yeah, we'll show up. Bet on that. Nobody's going to just let Fishfag make up fake backstories undisturbed; you can see his objectives and why that's unacceptable for yourself: >>98189991 But nobody in /osrg/ wants or even has the energy to fuck with you over what games you like to play and how.
>>98190049Without the trolls it would be a slow thread that may archive before the bump limit, I am good with that. I only make a new thread if it's near archival.The trolls could simply leave it alone and let it die if that is what's gonna happen with it. But no, they also have a jihad to carry out
>>98189962The last time there was /todd/, the only people who ended up posting in it were the /osrg/ trolls. Everyone else just ignored it, and it became really obvious even the trolls were only half-assing their bumps even more than they half-ass their /osrg/ bumps. It seems like the only thing actually worse than you trolling is you trying to pretend to discuss games earnestly.People don't really want a second-class OSR thread, because their version of the OSR is not second-class. More importantly, having to deal with you guys putting on masks and offering your weird, twisted ideas on games is incredibly off-putting and drives people away. If people wanted to endure your shit, they would just post in the /osrg/ to begin with.If you could promise to leave a thread alone and not just be there to bump it with the kind of hollow discussion you're now famous for, that might actually convince people to post in it. But, that'd never happen, especially because any thread that would grow popular would inevitably end up earning your attention.There's really no point in trying to play ball with you or doing things to avoid upsetting you. The only thing you'll tolerate is a second-class thread to the /osrg/, and that's kind of awful to consider since the /osrg/ isn't exactly looking too hot these days. So, why bother appeasing you, and why not use a name that actually fits the thread?
>>98190051I am cool with osrg man, once I knew they were a restricted thread I simply left. I don't agree with their ideology, but I am not gonna go to a thread I am not welcome.
>>98190036Okay, so knowing that, how do you still believe there's nothing inflammatory in your OP? You've chosen to actively chickenrace an established general about who gets to be the "OSR norm" or whatever in a place where, regardless of what anybody thinks anywhere else (and your claim is debatable to say the least, as you know very well, but let's not go there again for now), your take is massively in the minority. Surely anybody with half a brain can tell that's a provocation?
>>98190056The osrg troll the ever fucking hell out of these threads. Far, far, far more than one guy. They call everyone fishfag. They are trolls and I am not buying the BS they are not just as bad, if not worse than one guy
>>98190070There is nothing inflammatory in the post. It established what is OSR for the thread discussion and then points out if you disagree with this, there is a thread for those who agree with you and I link the osrg.You want a reason to argue.
>>98190051>>98190070Let people decide for themselves. It's really that simple. If you think your /osrg/ is the norm, that's great, keep posting there.If other people think an open osr is more normal, they'll post there. Don't know how you think people disagreeing with you is some form of provocation if they leave you alone and just want to be left alone.
>>98190080No. Answer the question. Why should normativity of all things apply to /tg/ and 4chan? A place where people go to get away from that? And why should that apply because you say so?
>>98190067See, it's obvious when it's Fishfag because he has these crazed conspiracy theories. "/todd/ was entirely puppeted by /osrg/ and all the posts were fake!" and blah blah, absolutely demented schizo shit.
>>98190067No, there were genuine posters there and fish trolled the shit out of them because he saw it as giving up on his jihad in /osrg/. This chased off the actual posters who were interested in being able to discus things outside of /osrg/ that are less orthodox. You're doing the uno card thing again.
>>98190078Buddy, de facto, you start the argument when you put yourself up against a long-standing general and declare that their knowledge of their own thing is wrong and shit. Imagine if you did that with /3eg/ or /5eg/, you think they'd just put up with it? You're nuts if you do.
>>98190083I answered the question. You can be weird. Have your weird /osrg/. But don't expect everyone to be forced to be like you.You don't get to say what people on 4chan or /tg/ think. You don't get to tell everyone they have to be weird in the manner that you're weird.Let people decide for themselves how they want to not be normal.I'm mean, what are you even up to? Are you trying to use the /osrg/ as some sort of declaration of how 4chan and /tg/ thinks or something?
>>98190094I don't go to the osrg. So no, I am not going against them because this is a different thread
>>98190096No, you didn't. You gave a permission that isn't yours to give and now you're just typing platitudes that apply just as much to your own screed. Its why in a lot of ways you're more contemptible than fish or the acks guys. At least they don't pretend they're nice people when they're busy trying to tone police 4chan of all places.
>>98190080>breh just let us antagonize you without reacting>at least give us a CHANCE to steal your general maaaaanNo.
>>98190023Its crickets from a chronic bait taker every time with this. Strong enough evidence to prove its true.
>>98190091You're *talking* to Fishfag. He knows all that very well. He just can't admit it, either because it would fuck up his retarded strat or because he's just genuinely insane.
>>98190091No, that's the lie you need to say to avoid you being responsible for their decline and demise.They didn't die from trolling. They died because of really lackluster posting, the kind you guys do in the /osrg/, but without your weird agenda motivating you as hard to keep the thread afloat.Hell, the /todd/ threads were left up ignored while posters made other OSR threads and posted in there instead. People were actually given a choice between posting in /todd/ where you guys were posting all your "Yes sir thank you" posts and the other OSR threads where you were flooding them with shitposts, and they actually preferred you guys shitposting because at least that was more honest.
>>98190100Are you actually this stupid? Come on, you can't be. You've seemed reasonably normal so far. You're trying to create a rival general and that's inherently antagonizing them. The base unit here is /tg/, not the individual thread. If you posted a "Real 3e General" stating that /3eg/ was wrong and had a fucked up definition of 3e and if you want to adhere to the dumb and wrong definition, go to /3eg/ but if not, talk here, it doesn't matter if you don't post in /3eg/. You're still deliberately, actively antagonizing them, and shit would hit the fan.
Stupid to ask but why not. Any actual suggestions for the next TQ?
>>98190121Its always the same DARVO with you. Like a script.
>>98190023>>98190110My money's on Geist or Caveman. Cavetran's more incentivized to try to fuck up /osrg/, that we know of anyway.
>>98190102>You gave a permission that isn't yours to giveI explained what's in your power to do. You can be weird. No one can stop you, no one needs to give you permission. On the other side of things, you want to police the fuck out of people by declaring that 4chan has to be weird in the way that you're weird.Let people decide for themselves. I genuinely think the reason you're so hostile to that is because you honestly know what would happen and really don't want the /osrg/ to become a second-class thread to some upstart just because the upstart is considerably more appealing. Rather than compromise and make the /osrg/ more appealing, you'd rather try to stop people from having another option.
>>98190131No. I am making a thread where I can talk about OSR, much of which is not allowed in the osrg. So they have a choice, I can post "off topic" in there or make a more open thread.Dude I linked the osrg as an olive branch. I started a thread so not to post what they consider off topic in their thread.There is nothing antagonist about these threads, I went out of my way to not mess with their thread, even directing folks who want that kinda thread to it.The issue you are having is there is no one OSR definition. The one the osrg uses is odd and found pretty much no where else. I am not gonna argue over what they do in their thread, but they don't own OSR and outside that echo chamber are the vast minority
>>98190141No, again, you appealed to the normal definition from everywhere else and that it should be used here and again you do some armchair projection. The entire point of 4chan is to be unlike your preferred places. Oh you got banned. I get it. That's part of the antiacks thing you accuse. lmao.
>>98190131>Are you actually this stupid?They are. They' came here from rpgnet in February. The >I'm just a regular guy crap is a ruse. They're just as incapable of understanding perspectives that they don't want to hear as fishfag they're just less hysterical.
>>98190131>If you posted a "Real 3e General" stating that /3eg/ was wrong and had a fucked up definition of 3e and if you want to adhere to the dumb and wrong definition, go to /3eg/ The OP says>There is a general for those of you who prefer OSR games strictly inspired by the first decade D&D and if that is your preference, you can find that hereC'mon now. All he's doing is providing an option.If the /3eg/ decided one day that they were 3.0 only and that all 3.5 books were offtopic, and someone else made an Open 3e where 3.5 was allowed, that wouldn't be antagonistic, it would just be providing options, and sensible ones because 3.0 and 3.5 is largely compatible and discussions between them naturally cross over. If the Open 3e ended up being just one guy bumping it, it would likely die and that would be the end of that chapter. But, if the Open 3e was something people were interested in, then people would post there and the only thing that the /3eg/ would lose is people who disagree with their definition of what 3e is, which is probably people they didn't want to discuss things with to begin with.
>>98190137I had forgotten about cavegreg. Could be. They seemed different, but its been a while.
>>98190141>>98190147#1, our definition is the universal one. There's a reason you can't link to any blogs or anything else supporting your view, and Fishfag has to keep pulling one Matt Finch paragraph out of his ass over and over again until it's browner than a paper bag. You either came here from Reddit or RPG.net, or you're deliberately trolling. Everyone else everywhere uses the same definition we do. The other anon is wrong to argue from "why do we have to be like everyone else?" because we already ARE like everyone else. Get your head out of the sand.#2, you're not going to get much credibility for your claim that you're not antagonistic when you keep calling the universal and only accurate OSR definition "weird" and then declaring that /osrg/ will become a second-class thread because everyone will flock to your general.#3, this is again wrong:>So they have a choice, I can post "off topic" in there or make a more open threadYou don't need to do either of these. You could also opt to not post at all, or you could, as Anon suggested, post a thread that doesn't call itself OSR and avoid all the fighting. You know this very well by now because you've been told repeatedly. So how can you cleaim there are no other choices unless you're trying to deliberately fuck with /osrg/?
>>98190168>its not antagonistic You're very bad at imagining other perspectives. Just take >>98189991and switch the sides. Its zero sum for them, same way its zero sum for you admitting you're wrong. You'll spend hours doing this instead.
>>98190153>it should be used hereNo, it COULD be used here. "Should" isn't even on the table right now.Look, let's be frank. You're not going to define 4chan/tg's definition of OSR. That's not how things work.>The entire point of 4chan is to be unlike your preferred places. No, the point of 4chan is not to be restricted. And you're trying to restrict what definitions people can use, and it's extremely odd because they're using a definition far more commonly accepted than your own. You have your definition. No one can take that away from you or has any interest in doing so, because it would certainly not be worth the effort. But, you can't force your definition on other people. All you can do is say "hey, here's my definition, people who agree with me come talk with me about it," just like anyone who disagrees with your definition can.
>>98190192>>don't need to do either of these. You could also opt to not post at allYou don't own fucking 4chan. You don't own the tg and you sure as fuck don't own OSR.You are looking to war, you are wanting to fight. The OP is clearly directing those who think as you do to your fucking thread.If you are to stupid to understand that and choose to be offended, that is your issue.
>>98190141>I genuinely think the reason you're so hostile to that is because you honestly know what would happen and really don't want the /osrg/ to become a second-class thread to some upstart just because the upstart is considerably more appealing. Rather than compromise and make the /osrg/ more appealing, you'd rather try to stop people from having another option.lmao the /osrg/ was here long before you dribbled in and it will be here unchanged long after you get bored and leave
>>98190195I'll be frank, you keep being billy. I don't even have that definition, but its very clear you don't have yours either and are wilfully failing to understand how it antagonizes. You'd rather do this.
>>98190202>You don't own fucking 4chan. You don't own the tg and you sure as fuck don't own OSR.I never said I did. I said you clearly have at least two more options, neither of which you choose to use, so claiming there are only two options both of which are to pester /osrg/ is disingenuous antagonistic bullshit. You're fucking your credibility as any kind of good-faith poster with these antics.
>>98190192>There's a reason you can't link to any blogs or anything else supporting your view,You're joking, right? Here, have one for the road. It's actually a pretty good read that helps explain the OSR in pretty clear terms, and reflects a fairly wide view of what the OSR is.https://friendorfoe.com/d/Old%20School%20Principia-Apocrypha%20Mobile.pdfDo you really not get how easy it is to find people disagreeing with you?That almost every other OSR forum includes 2e without incident?Matt Finch is brought up because he was a figure that was pretty much central to your idea of what the OSR is. He's the co-author of OSRIC, which you consider to be the first OSR game. If even he gets declared Anti-OSR by you when he disagrees with your definition, what's the point of posting anyone of the thousands of other people who disagree with you? Even Gygax disagrees with you, to the point where you have to declare his own words as bullshit.
>>98190195>it's extremely odd because they're using a definition far more commonly accepted than your ownIncorrect. The /osrg/ definition is by far the most widespread. You baselessly claiming otherwise because you've been stuck in a tiny insular bubble changes nothing.
>>98190213>Principia Apocrypha>a do-whatever-maaan unprimer written by a bunch of NuSRtards>this is my proof!LMAO, I didn't think you'd even try something that goofy
>>98190210NTA, but we've seen what happens with other options, and none of your conclusions or assurances are worth spit.You want to define OSR for the entire board. If you think anyone who disagrees with you is antagonizing you, then that's a you problem.
>>98190210The issue is not me, the issue is the osrg trolls are trying to police 4chan of all places and force people to comply with them. I am not in war with the osrg, they can do whatever they want in their little echochamer.But it's not baiting to open a OSR thread on the tg. I will keep linking their thread for now, but they are choosing to troll and try to control 4chan of all places.I am not the issue here
>>98190213>That almost every other OSR forum includes 2e without incident?By "almost every other OSR forum" you mean Dragonsfoot, and by "includes 2e" you mean "quarantines it", I assume?
>>98190219See what I mean? Anyone you disagree with, you declare an outsider.It's gotten so bad that even Matt Finch is being declared an outsider. Even Gygax, by token of declaring any opinions of his you agree with are true and any of his opinions you disagree with are false.There's no way to have a rational discussion with you.
>>98190220>You want to define OSR for the entire board.Wrong. The OSR HAS a definition, just like 3e has a definition. I'm not trying to create one in the least, any more than Galileo tried to create a solar system.>>98190221>I am not in war with the osrg>I'm just fucking with them on purposeOkay then. Welp, you converted another anon from giving you the benefit of the doubt to admitting that you're clearly a troll. Good going, OP! This will surely help your general thrive!
>>98190234Sure you were. You are arguing you most not post to not trigger the osrg troll and somehow not doing that is me "trolling"
>>98190214Then what are you concerned about?If the open definition is the false one and isn't widespread, it will prove unpopular and be only bumped by your sole fishfag. Are you scared that your fishfag is just so charismatic that he will attract people despite a flawed and unpopular definition?
>>98190235>Fishfag yet again copying a meme made to make fun of him months ago and flipping itGod, you really don't know any other tricks than "no u" and "[schizo ranting]". Unbelievable, kek
>>98190245I'd love to see this meme I'm flipping. care to share?
>>98190244>just enjoy having your thread continually shitposted at and subject to slide attempts breh, what's the problem breh, they're ineffectualNo. Fishfag's been harassing the general for literal years, he needs to be shut down even if just for a fraction of the comeuppance he deserves. If you side with him, that's your choice, but you've accepted the consequences as well and can't complain.Besides, you might confuse a noob now and again. Happened earlier in this thread for example, although he was fortunately redirected to /osrg/ and able to get good answers to his questions.
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>>98190251>spoonfeed me, the most annoying troll on /tg/!Nah. You can scour the archive for it yourself, you enjoy that.
>>98190260No, your fishfag isn't real and you're not going to convince people he is. You've combined too many different posters together and keep trying to use your fictional entity as some blanket reason why you should be allowed to do whatever you want.Change the /osrg/ OP? Only fishfag disagrees.Troll other OSR threads? It's just to troll fishfag.Declare perpetual war? It's to get back at fishfag. It's objectively true that more than one person disagrees with you. There's too much evidence, regardless of how much you insist that everyone must see things from your biased and blind perspective. The number of people and the variety of people you've declared must be your fishfag has grown to be so ridiculous that it's clear you've never had any interest in being truthful or accurate, but to build everything on an obvious lie.Your motivation is clear. Your strategy? Obvious.And yet, you persist, because you have no other option.
