Uncomfortably Close Encounters With Death Edition>Previous>>98462775>Pastebinhttps://pastebin.com/WiCHizn0>Mediafirehttps://mediafire.com/folder/s9esc6u7ke8k5/CofD>Mega Ihttps://mega.nz/folder/ePQ1BKhJ#RCosRCh59Ki2Mpb1M9H3Uw>Mega II (also containing fanmade games)https://mega.nz/folder/ZbQ2zLJA#DOT-3df6rS2lLet4_RmqJQ>5e Megahttps://mega.nz/folder/7rQQ1LbQ#16_AiXVGo0P3_rVOJuoZyA>VtM to VtR fan translation guidehttps://mega.nz/folder/LhYTUD7b#cRDFTcMXSB_2TjD7eJoE5Q>STV content foldershttps://pastebin.com/9i9zhydQ>General Creation Kithttps://mega.nz/#F!FWJgBTbb!f7d5rARWHYzuI8-8aI-Bxw>Ideas: BJ Zanzibar's WoDhttp://167.99.155.149/>Anders Mage Pagehttp://mage.gearsonline.net/anders/>White Wolf Wiki:https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Main_Page>Thread QuestionWhat was the closest you got to permanent death?
>>98473548>What was the closest you got to permanent death?I got bored and walked out in what I thought was a cat 5 cyclone once.
>>98473548>TQ:My first asthma attack back in elementary school. Chocked bad enough to black out. And only the fact that the school was right next to a hospital got me treated in time.If you mean character in game, got decapitated once, but ST ruled I can just re-attach and keep going.
>>98473588Did your school have a raccoon mascot?
>>98473590No. I don't think it had any mascot at all.
>>98473548clinically depressed and high on a bridge and in debt because it turned out that my familly fucked me over and bought shit in my name when i was a childbut there was a cat. i finished my apprenticeship a few months ago and paid back 80% of the debt and i sill have that cat
>>98473548Had to go through some kind of surgery on my chest area when I was just born and spend a month and a half in an incubator afterwards.I was born in the days when that could actually happen, I'm fairly sure someone in my predicament would die from neglect nowadays. I fear my inevitable heart attack at 35. My grandad survived 3 of them and died on his 4th, I will not be that lucky.
What clan is he?
>>98473548So, who wants to place bets that Changeling 6th will just be a really bad adaptation of Lost, but using Dreaming terminology?
>>98473645Toreador, possibly Antitribu.
>>98473648Wait, wait I got one more for you.It's Lost but your True Fae parent just wants you to feed it REAL Glamour from the REAL world, and it doesn't give a shit about anything else.
>>98473548>Thread QuestionWhat was the closest you got to permanent death?In real life? Probably car crash with a large deer buck. The only reason it didn't fly through the windshield was because it crouched to leap away, so the front bumper hit it directly.Oh, and a suicide attempt with meds and alcohol (lived only because the meds I took weren't that strong. I had the option of some others and they would have done the deed.)In game? Shot in the stomach with an automatic shotgun. Honestly I'm not even sure how I survived that shit. Probably the God of Dice just decided I'd get to live.
how do i get those necromancers to stop trying to get my grandpa's wraith? i need someone to watch the kids
I'm pretty sure the phrase "permanent death" implies that the thread question is about in game. IRL, people stay dead when they die.
>>98473718Yeah, IRL death is pretty permanent. So, permanent death.
>>98473718Ehh, it depends. You can be legally dead for a bit and still get dragged back if the docs get lucky.
>>98473718Or do they?
>>98473718That and the fact you kinda have to die to become a vampire or wraith.
>>98473731Yes
>>98473744Name five people that have died.
>>98473744Shirou is rather famous for not dying when he's killed.>>98473648Sucker's bet.
>>98473746Muhammad
>>98473746Jackie Chan
>>98473730That's a good question. How long do you have to be dead as a mage before your Avatar fucks off? Is the window long enough to be realistically restored without some pretty powerful magic? A mage running into his previous reincarnation who is actually still alive sounds incredibly funny.
>>98473746Don't ask me why they announced his death with a Konosuba edit of all things.
>>98473746His Majesty the King, Louis XVIHer Majesty the Queen, Marie AntoinetteThe Dauphin, Louis XVIIMaximilian RobespierreHis Imperial and Royal Highness, Archduke Fran Ferdinand
>>98473790>But even in hellIt's like they know they're IRL naphandi. Wagner was literally First Team. RIP priggy
what actually happens to a ghoul or revenant if they reach humanity/path zero?
>>98473548Ive almost died a lot of times.Ive been ran over by a carIve fallen from a second story balconyIve struck a ground wire with a shovel that promptly exploded & launched me more than 50ftIve been stabbedIve been shot at but the gun jammed & explodedI drowned once when I fell into a raging river, when a lot of rain made it jump the bankI worked at a factory for a bit & a machine failed & launched a big part right near my headTheres a few others, but those are the highlightsSometimes I feel like something is stalking me trying to kill me. I was dead for a while after the electrocution, like my coworker said he checked my pulse & I wasnt breathing on anything, so they called 911. Only for me to "sit up like a zombie" & scare the shit out of them later when the ambulance arrived. To me, it was like no time past at all but also like I was dreaming. If youve ever fought sleep & tried tonstay awake only to suddenly wake up after an hour nap, it was kind of like that. I was digging, I earth the world break, and then I heard sirens & was looking around for the emergency (i was the emergency).
>>98474018I think players, writers but also the characters in WoD kind of forget this, but ghouls and revenants are indeed at a high risk of losing what little humanity they've left. If I'm the ST, there is no Wassail for them, Wights are only vampires, and humanity/path zero for ghouls and revenants means they become like the most severe patients with schizophrenia, with catatonia or a permanent frenzy against the innocuous and the imaginary.
>>98474055it's weird because there is a revenant familly that starts at humanity 3 and there are both ghouls and revenants on paths but i can't find anything about what happens when they go to humanity zero. so i hoped i was just blind
>>98474063Either way they have to become unusable as characters for the players, as coworkers to their fellow ghouls and revenants, and as servants to their masters, meaning they lose their minds.
>>98474036Dude lives in a Final Destination movie
>>98474036Anon, I think OP meant In Game.
>>98474018They become feral, unsalvageable animals with a drive to drink kindred blood & if they cant find a kindred they go after humans.
>>98474036>Ive struck a ground wire with a shovel that promptly exploded & launched me more than 50ftI call bullshit on this one, that's some loony toons shit. I do believe the rest.
>>98474110I've had a couple characters die in game, play gor decades & thats normal. Nothing all that interesting. One guy had a bomb fleshcrafted in to his head that exploded.>>98474085I have a lot of paranoia about it. I try to keep it under control, but yeah those movies didnt help. It feels like im walking around with the Dark Fate flaw or someshit. The sword of damocles could get any of us at any moment
>>98473548>What was the closest you got to permanent death?I've walked in front of a moving car as a kid.I hiked home after missing the bus and had rwo car crash next to me.I've gotten both food and chemical poisoning .I rode in an SUV the ran a stop sign in front of a speeding Semi Truck.I got between a a moving aircraft and a boat during work.And I once caught Something that hit me so hard I was whiting out ing pain for 24 hours(Might have even had a stroke).That all I can think of right now though.
>>98474129>It feels like im walking around with the Dark Fate flaw or someshitAnon, you Should be dead statistically speaking. You being alive after all that doesn't really make sense.I think you have both the Dark Fate and Guardian Angel Merit-Flaw combo.
Campaign map for WtF is done. I've imported all the merits, gifts and rites I can bear (over 200 I think), and now I need to get some basic enemies prepared. An idea I like is having some repeat enemies that will complicate encounters with relatively predictable behaviours, primarily Spirit-enemies in the Hisil.Saltwater Mire is a rank one Spirit that resides in all coastal waters and will try to grapple, drain and drown anything it can on its turns if you're in the water. It must accept anything given to it(accepting being a very generous term for "in the water"), but its bane is pollution.Steadfast Tree will be present anywhere there's a large tree in an encounter, it is a rank two Spirit with a Ban that it must protect all that shelter beneath it. It does this by getting in the way if there's an actual fight underneath it, granting its Defence to either combatant and trying to grapple all enemies to stop them fighting. Its bane is an axe with a handle of whatever wood the tree is, which will change. I'm also going to have some Blitz-spirits that will darken the skies on some nights and drop bombs for big-but-avoidable damage. Any other suggestions? These aren't meant to be big active combatants, but more environmental threats to hassle the PC's when the Siskur Dah is at its peak and they are running their prey to the ground. My hoping is that it will disrupt the inherent favour in the action economy towards the PCs with a few speedbumps.
>>98474117To be fair, that is more or less other people's description of what happened, I have no solid recollection of the event myself. Details are fuzzy, it happened over a decade ago. I remember digging, the moment of electrocution, & sitting back up. Getting loaded into the ambulance & stuff is all a blur. I dont even quite remember stuff that happened leading up to me digging in the first place.
>>98474117>call bullshit on this one, that's some loony toons shit. I do believe the rest.NTA, but Anon, have you never seen a video of an indian throwing a rock into electrical lines? That's genuinely how that shit works.High power lines have enough electricity running through them thst exposing the air to them can momentarily cause it to move like an explosion or hurricane force wind tunnel.
>>98474036>>98474136Which of these people is Anon? https://www.youtube.com/shorts/NijZXSiTayc
>>98474166Fucking Embed fail. I hate this youtube shorts url bullshit.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NijZXSiTayc
>>98474156That might explain it, people like to exaggerate in re-telling of what they've seen.>>98474159In my experience, people just go limp on the spot or twitch and smoke a little. Talking 22kV or less, but I doubt anything with more juice would be just left in the ground unmarked and unshielded for anyone to dig into..
>>98474136I did use the electrocution as inspiration for a Mage character that I made (he awakened to be a Forces/Prime mage after an event like what happened to myself) but the game died on the vine.I think its not as bad as you might think. There was this dude in history that survived pretty much every mode of transportation trying to kill him. I think i remember reading he survived so many car accidents that weren't his fault he became uninsurable. Then he took the bus, and it crashed, etc.For me, the biggest ones where the stabbing, the gun & the electrocution. The stabbing was an old dude getting drunk & fighting with me, pulling a knife after I hit him back, it wasnt like he went psycho killer with multiple stabs, just the one in my gut & he didnt hit anything important.The gun was a carjacking. Some socio-economically challenged individual tried to rob me one night when I was in the city way later than I normally would be in that particular area of the city, & he came at me with a gun when I was getting into my car. He pulled the gun, I told him to fuck off, mostly just to buy time to figure something out, its not like im Rambo on anything, he pulled the trigger & it jammed, I think he pulled it again & caused a misfire. I didnt get hit, so I got the fuck out of dodge. Didn't sleep at all that night though
Which tribe?
>>98474197Fianna. They drove out the snakes
>>98474180>In my experience, people just go limp on the spot or twitch and smoke a little. Talking 22kV or lessThis is what higher voltage looks like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uudQREiZwWw
>>98474197I don't keep up much with the world, do bees need helping?
>>98474216Yeah. There's a massive parasite isdue affecting honeybee hives in the US, partially brcause modern pesticides weaken honeybee immune systems too much for them to fight off the infection.Killer bees are doing fine last I heard though.
>>98474214Is is obviously a mage summoning lightning
Is there a fan-made oWoD/CofD expansion about Australia with new splat? I'm sure the vorepires concept will be better received than the laibons
>>98474216Native bees yes, honey bees no. Native hymenopterans have been declining but Save-The-Bees-style conservation efforts were completely hijacked by corporate interests in the 2000's so they could swallow all the funding themselves. Honey bees are livestock that have been on an incline for decades, the current disease outbreaks are the consequence of Monsanto and Kelloggs or whoever the fuck else deregulating sanitation for hives and mass trucking enormously overstocked apiaries from farm to farm across the continent with no quarantining or health management. Bumbles and other natives are declining as a result of those diseases escaping and the unsustainable suburban developments and mass immigration to justify building them.Luv' me bees.
>>98473648It's not like they could ruin Dreaming any more than 20th or 2nd edition did by turning the original, creative idea of the splat into just more generic "we have to stop the bad guys" urban fantasy fiction
https://youtube.com/shorts/tnOD-L9NjYk?si=OUy6yyz2ftY1CotF
>>98474197Pretty much all of them except Bone Gnawers, Children of Gaia and Glass Walkers
>>98474454>Is there a fan-made oWoD/CofD expansion about Australia with new splat?There is are a couple of books about australia but the natives get almost nothing of worth.
>>98473648Probably
Wraith in a nutshellhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FThakjXDKz8
>>98474492What? I've read that the 20th Anniversary Edition was the only playable version and that the Second Edition of every World of Darkness is the standard one that everyone plays...
>>98473713https://forum.theonyxpath.com/forum/main-category/main-forum/the-classic-world-of-darkness/wraith-the-oblivion/850777-necromancers-from-wraith-perspective
>>98474547Reminds me of this old threadhttps://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/39353236/
>>98474036
>>98474547
An experiment.Take a bunch of Changing Breeds as babies, raise them under the same culture as basically adoptive siblings, see if they hate each other less
>>98474621The rules are streamlined but the core concept is gutted in the process. Dreaming 1e is about man vs. society specifically about holding onto imagination in a dreary world that tries to crush it as much as possible, Dreaming 2e onwards is changed to be more like Vampire and Werewolf, you're just fighting supernatural monsters and Banality is no longer the primary antagonist. > the Second Edition of every World of Darkness is the standard one that everyone plays...Who the fuck told you that? What a terrible piece of advice
>>98474619Is this Changeling: the Dreaming or Changeling: the Lost?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWFNZTGJJZA
>>98474707Dreaming
>>98473718>IRL, people stay dead when they die.Not if you're rich and connected enough.
>>98474707You can FEEL the fight against banality. This is 100% dreaming
>>98474737Rich in spiritual knowledge and connected to spirits?
>>98474646Maybe I should give it a read & find out what clan/whatever is
>>98474456Pentex wins again.
>>98474760No, as in "hold the entire world's wealth and governments hostage"
>>98474142Neat! Since this is so urban, maybe a gridlock spirit? Could be even Magath, with merging cars spirts and anger or sth. But that is very generic.
Hey farmer farmerPut away that DDT * nowGive me spots on my applesBut leave me the birds and the beesPlease!Don't it always seem to goThat you don't know what you've gotTill it's goneThey paved paradiseAnd put up a parking lot
>>98474761According to 1e (don't bother with 2e) you have five Thresholds (manner of death) and 8 Archetypes (core motivation for doing the Sin-Eatering)Thresholds>Torn (Death by violence)>Silent (Death by deprivation)>Prey (Death by nature)>Stricken (Death by poison/disease)>Forgotten (Death by total random happenstance)Archetypes>Advocate (Help ghosts resolve their business and move on to the true afterlife)>Bonepicker (Use ghostly powers for personal gain)>Celebrant (Enjoy the second chance at life by living to the fullest)>Gatekeeper (Keep the living and dead separate no matter what)>Mourner (Celebrate and obsess over ghostly stuff)>Necromancer (Study and obsess over ghostly stuff)>Pilgrim (Help the living resolve their business so they won't become ghosts) >Reaper (Punish evildoers, living and dead)
>>98474142Since it's set in England, how 'bout some angry hooligan spirits mobbing up on whoever's wearing the wrong colors?
>>98474799Id probably be Forgotten Necromancer, maybe Reaper or Bonepicker if I could vastly improve the quality of life for my family without being evil/doing anything immoral. If I could just be comfy & study stuff id be fine with that, but im not stepping into the kind of stuff WoD is about if I cant quit my day job first. Job security is important to my family
>>98474799Both versions of Geist have some critical issues. 1e actually had them lose the main draft and scramble to rewrite it like two weeks before publishing, and 2e has both the evil touch of DaveB and the god-awful editing of Chronicles of the God-Machine (specifically, powers give you conditions, meaning that actually defining what a power does requires you to flip-flop between the power itself and the glossary in the back of the book).
>>98473648I'll take 'that and completely missing the point of both' for 500, Alex
>>98474876The Lost already has Dreaming.
>>98474197>TribeIt's an obvious verbena scheme, they're chuddy enough
>>98474843Worry not, as a Sin-Eater you have many ways to use your Manifestations to make money if you're creative, plus any ghost allies you may have. And not just by doing the exorcist-for-hire con, either.>im not stepping into the kind of stuff WoD is aboutOh, fret not, I'm sure it'll be fine. Hahaha nope. Not only your death-sight is always-on meaning you're always gonna see and hear ghosts wherever you go with no way to shut it off, but ghosts know what you are at a glance and actively seek you out.
>>98474847>Chronicles of the God-MachineThe God-Machine became so powerful that it started reaching out of the splatbooks and fucking with the formatting to make room for more INFRUSTRUCTURE!
>>98474847>Both versions of Geist have some critical issues.I do not deny this.>>98473648I'll make the same bet >>98474876 made.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohfVOpBbXs0
>>98474778It's not gridlocked, those are all country lanes around farmers fields etc. I am tempted to bring back an old spirit from my HtV game, Hurtling Metal Hastens Collision, a spirit that loves to possess cars and crash them into something.>>98474809 Maldon has a football club and it's 1980 so there'll definitely be some skinheads up to no good. Maybe after a game I could have some drunk fans just get lost while the PCs are on a hunt and they end up in the middle of it. A ford cortina plows through a fence and flattens the player in Urhul form while they're chasing down the Pure.
>>98474941Good ideas. But do add some Norf 'ooligan spirits havin' a scrap wif the Souf lads on the streets, would make for a fun complication in a chase or a hazard while traversing the Hisil.
>>98473790oh my fucking lel>editI honestly don't know. World's just crazy enough for it to be real....and I bet he liked that useless alcoholic idiot goddess too.>>98473961>Prigo IRL nephandus or one of their pawnsThe Berserk memery that surrounded him after his rebellion makes this all the funnier and scarier'Cause if God Hand isn't nephandic, I don't know what is.
>>98474951Four-way scrap. Forsaken vs Pure and Norf vs South. Is the enemy of my enemy, my friend?
>>98474960>...and I bet he liked that useless alcoholic idiot goddess too.Yet he didn't seem to like his useless alcoholic idiot president very much. Curious!
>>98473790Give it 6 more years
I find the mixing of IRL bullshit and WoD strangely titillating. Beats blaming the jews for everything like any other day.WoD feels like such a relic of the past now, with all the modern stuff and world happenings.Any news of something closer to cyberpunk in feel using WoD's lore and whatnot?I mean, it'd be closer to being a proper dark reflection of IRL that way, what with IRL slowly becoming a cyberpunk dystopia.>>98474980Anon, not only is Boris Yeltsin not a president anymore, he's been dead for decades now.You need to let him go. He's tired and wants to leave, let the man have his final rest.>a triggered aquafagI blow my nose in your direction! Worst girl, worst goddess.
>>98474903Do I have to stab people in backalleys to push ghostpolitic agendas? Feed on human suffering to fuel my ghost powers? That sort of thing?Like 90% of changeling is hoping the fae arent after your ass &, making human emotion farms, & politicking with other Lost for breadcrumbs.90% of vampire is hurting peoole & bickering/killing other vampires in back alleys, you cant have a normal life99% of hunter is killing things or drama with loved ones. Werewolf too.Mage & Promethean isolate you from regular humansI wouldnt mind ghost powers or helpping out ghosts when i can, its the internal damnation that happens to nearly every splat that worries me.
>>98474980Not a cute girl
>>98475040There was a CP crossover book you can reference but it only covered vampires. Or was it Changelings? Some guy did Cyber-Changelings on quest
This is what the Technocracy took from you.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhr579o5uaY
>>98475090>took from you.Give us 15 years and your money and we'll get you a vat-grown unicorn
>>98475078There was an article for a VtM/CP crossover, complete with custom rules for vampires with cybernetics, including a blood magic ritual for vampires to integrate cybernetics after being Embraced and a bloodline/discipline for becoming a cyborg that lets you turn permanently into an immortal e-ghost. It was in issue #36 of the White Wolf magazine, back when they had one, right after an article on common magic items you could find in Shadowrun.
>>98475090On one hand: Disgusting furfaggotryOn the other: Impressive craftsmanshipI'll tolerate it, as long as no one has sex in these suits
>>98475090They worship the God Machine. Stigmatic's, the lot of them
>>98475061IIRC your Geist is permanently bound to you. If you die, it'll bring you back. So in a way you are damned, damned to be every Ghost's #1 priority for help with whatever is keeping them in Twilight.
>>98475061The only use you have for Plasm is to fuel your superpowers, and Plasm is the easiest resource to generate by far. 90% of Geist is just being a superhero and the main antagonists are people who decided to use their superpowers for profit at the expense of others.
I need your input on something. I'm going to play a Tzim that's working for the Camarilla for reasons. I'm looking for art for the character and of course, all standard tzimisce pictures look like horned, spiky freaks. My guy cant look like that due to that silly Masquerade stuff. With Vicissitude he could look like anyone or anything, but I dont want him to look like a plain human either as it would be bland. Do you have any character art that is still human but borders on the alien/spooky/"this guy aint right" type?
>>98475199Uhhh.... I think Henry Cooldown would work?
>>98475157>>98475170Oh shit. I guess i can just go heavy into revenge fantasy then lol
>>98475199
>>98475199I think this is the right ballpark but I am not sure if it fits the vibe you are going for.
>>98475040No, no, the OTHER useless alcoholic idiot president.>spoilerAs if! Darkness best girl, Megumin runner up.>>98475069Oh, now it all makes sense.
>>98475145Impressive
>>98475334There is no Greater Kinosuba foid than Megumin's cow-titted cousin
>>98475271>V5 Nosferatu be like
>>98473548It was before Shark’s first diablerie. In fact this enemy he faced would be his first victim. It was when the communist tried their first coup in Munich in the 1920s. The revolution’s military was led by two brujah and some Russian soldiers.That night only one of the brujah brothers showed up with his cadre of ghoul soldiers. Before the German troops arrived Shark managed to infiltrate the building and snuck into the room right next where the vampire and his goons were barricaded. At first Shark thought about jumping in claws out and riding the wave of frenzy, but he remembered something. Brujahs all have celerity… and so are probably their ghouls. So Shark opted for something else.He “borrowed” from the army grenades. But would one be enough?Fuck it let’s throw the whole bandolier!The massive explosion left everyone, Shark included, with only one box of health. Everyone had to spend all the vitae they had just to survive. The brujah immediately frenzied and was surprisingly staked easily by his servants. Then squeezed of all the red juice he had. Afterwards the ghouls all looked at Shark.Being on death’s door and being glared at by ravenous men was the first time Shark felt genuine fear. He fought like crazy, but he killed all but one ghoul before being staked himself. The survivor tried to squeeze him too but Shark was running empty. The only reason Shark wasn’t finished off was because the German army invaded the house so the ghoul and his master tried to escape.
>>98475199i always felt like flesh crafting if not in the hand of a total weirdo would actually be a amazing tool for the masquarade: making vampires look like they changes/aged. changing the look of potentially suspect corpes. changing the look of vampires who are known to have died etc>https://www.artstation.com/cleonaturin/albums/1297521
>>98475427If only they had the foresight to make that a merit.Its not like that wasn't a merit in a previous version.
>>98475061>>98475157>>98475218What the other anons forgot to tell you is that your Geist, the ghost that revived you after you accepted the Bargain, is now a permanent passenger inside your skull and free to talk to you whenever it likes. Yes, even while having sex with your wife, enjoy the color commentary. It also has desires of its own (part of why it offered the Bargain to you in the first place) and they might not be entirely feasible or pleasant for the simple fact the power boost that turns a regular ghost into a Geist also usually drives them batshit insane, on top of probably having become inhuman from however long they were dead. If you get along badly enough it'll try hijacking your body to do whatever it wants. Hopefully your Geist is a hedonistic nobleman from the Middle Ages who just wants to party and not say, Skinface the Child Eviscerator, but obviously IC you don't get to choose. Have fun.
>>98474454Not fan-made, but canonically, Australia has>WtAHAD (lmao) its own Tribe, the Bunyip. A former Spirit of the Bunyip, the Yowie, HATES the Ananasi and kills them every time it catches them in the Outback’s Umbra. Local Red Talons breed with Dingoes.>MtAAboriginal shamans are a part of the Dreamspeakers>CtDThe Dreamtime of the Aboriginals has its own Kiths>WtAThe purview of Karta, the Dark Kingdom of Clay
>>98475482>>MtA>Aboriginal shamans are a part of the DreamspeakersCan you huff gas and use it as a foci?
>>98475451Doesn't proficiency in vicissitude turn you into a wierdo though? Something about it being inherently tainted by Kupala?
>>98475491Yeah. Pretty sure some Ecstatic do, too.
>>98475491>Can you huff gas and use it as a foci?It is mage, what do you expect?>>98475499>Doesn't proficiency in vicissitude turn you into a wierdo though?Yes, it supossed to be like Daimonion where using anything beyond the very fundamentals requires some psycopath behavior.
>>98475499lorewise kinda, but it's not at all represented in the rules and not all fleshcrafters go and follow the road/path of metamorphosisso personally in my games i go "it's not a clean tool, but you need to choose to dive head first in to go full flesh blob insane" kinda like obtenebration and abyss mysticism
>>98475499>Doesn't proficiency in vicissitude turn you into a wierdo thoughoverly focusing on any discipline over the rest does that. the player guide to high/low clans has rules for thatvicissitude is just a bit worse than the normal ones because it's a third party (if that third party is banes, kupala or the eldest depends on the book) inside of your body
>>98473588What chocked you?
>>98475120It just won't be the same so I don't want it...
How often do wyrmish/infernalist/bad guy factions come into conflict?Like do Nephandi hate the guts of Demons or anything like that? So spectres war against banes? I know anyone can kinda come i to conflict with anyone, but I want to know if theres anything notable in the lore
>>98475334Yun-yun is best girl, then a tie between Megumin & Darkness.
>>98475594>DON'T TOUCH OUR HIVE>DON'T TOUCH MY NODE>I SWEAR TO SATAN BELOW IF YOU KILL MY FAVOURITE BLOODBAG TO SATISFY YOUR SHITTY DARK MASTER
>>98475499There was an old Sabbat book (Storyteller's Handbook to The Sabbat, its in the second Mega) that allowed non Tzimisce to learn Vicissitude without a teacher but you have a chance to develop derangements from it.>Something about it being inherently tainted by Kupala?I dont think Kupala had a hand in Vicissitude but the origins of Vicissitude are a bit of a mystery with speculations being something The Eldest developed on his own, a disease from the Deep Umbra, Kupala, Space Aids, etc.
>>98475481Fuck that, id rather die
>>98473800>Her Majesty the Queen, Marie AntoinetteBullshit, I saw her yesterday
>>98475526Abyss Mysticism has you vore dudes with a black hole in your ass. Literally. I'll take weirdo fleshcrafters over thar
>>98475620And then your Geist revives you. :^)
>>98475638wasn't that a normal obtenerbration combination discipline? (made by a backer)
>>98475525>it supossed to be like DaimonionNeither Vicissitude or Daimonion do that. Unless you use Discipline Derangements, but those apply to All disciplines.
>>98475615It is actually not just in old material. Revised Guide to the Sabbat also has it.
>>98475615dav20 has a in-universe rant called "Of Kupala, Vicissitude, and the essential debasement of Clan Tzimisce" which some people take as being true pj weöö technically the theory does not originate there as devil's due hints that kupala's celestial name is beelzebub who was a demon of the house that had the lore of flesh as in-house lore, but dav20 writes it out more openlyi personally see it less as a confirmation and more of kupala also throwing it's head into the big ring of possible origins of vicissitude, but you know how it is
>>98473548>jock bro who's really into horror media and has a magical camcorder from his weird grandma>Goal: film awesome shitSometimes I just want to play a normal human, but I would have a lot of plot armor, probably. Which splat works best for this?
>>98475698Hunter the Vigil, you join Ashwood Abbey and film some cool shit and also a high-risk porn.
>>98475588So what you're saying is that you don't want any unicorns for anyone? Great, we can do that. Thank you for your input.
>>98475698Go become a Ghost Hunter.
>>98475698HtV & join the Abbey, or Network Zero. Maybe crack open the relic book to make the magic camera
>>98475771Too bad this tech will only be affordable for the IRL Nephandi.
>>98475651See this is why you dont fuck with anything but MAYBE HtV & be a Witch. There answer to living a comfortable life on World of Darkness, whether its old world or new world, is to be just a regular guy who knows some decent magic. Like Sorcerer/Witch.
>>98475657Lord Aludian’s Orifices in Rites of Blood or whatever. Your ass can now eat people.
>>98475780IRL is actually becoming VtM where our elders are going to be immortal manipulating psychopathic monsters and their progeny are going to usurp them eventually making their own version of what they inherit and use us the cattle as pawns in their machinations ti achieve it.
>>98475698Make him have True Faith in his camcorder to find and record those sexy monsters.
>>98475797I hate the sabbat
I love the sabbat
I am ambivalent about the Sabbat.
I AM THE SABBAT
I wish we could get along with the Sabbat
What's your experience with Child characters? One of my players took the "ward" flaw and I need some ideas for cruel and unusual punishment
What are the Sabbat's opinions on trans-xisters?
>>98475909they are the sect with the most tzimisce so what do you think?
>>98475797The first thing I thought after reading that.
>>98475909Tolerance if not worship, on penalty of being turned literally inside out. Do you want eyeballs on your brain?
>tfw The Camarilla are the actual chuds of the vampire world
>>98475897Keep it light. Make young kid drama but sincere. You wont believe how much can be added to your game by throwing in sitcom level issues. You characters will bond with the NPCs pretty well & you dont have to run into "the kid has been kidnapped & traumatized twelve times now"Also>And the Prom's tomorrow!Makes great plot points
>>98475909The sabbat think the tzimisce are ok.
awoo with me brothers
>>98475920Her ass has swallowed millions.
>anal voreSurprised there isn't much vore in wod.
>>98475968A-wwwarralllll
>>98475974I would swallow her ass.
>>98475982Nah, chud.In the World of Darkness, ass swallows you.
>>98475980>do not communicate with me or my son ever again
>>98475968Uuhhhhhroooo
>>98475909One of the highest ranking and most frightening of the Prisci tore off their dick and hucked it at the founder of the Camarilla.I dunno how anyone can side with the Cammies after getting dunked on like that.
>>98475995>Inside ass>World of Darkness
>>98475526>but it's not at all represented in the rulesIt is half the time, it's just not consistently represented
>>98475537>overly focusing on any discipline over the rest does that. the player guide to high/low clans has rules for thatWhat are the curses for Dementation and Valeren? Or do they just pay their costs upfront?
>>98475968アウーーー。
>>98476141>another anon's posting artBased.
>>98475995>>98476084Oblivion is just the giant ass of creation trying to swallow us all
>>98476170>trying toBrother, most of the time I think that has already happened.
>>98475979Right? I kinda feel like there should be some kind of Kronos baby eater/devourer of their Childre thing with Caine or some other supernatural
If a Salubri learned Vicissitude they should be able to move their third eye even if they cant technically get rid of it, where is the best place to put it?
>>98476302Tramp stamp so you can moon people with Eye of Unforgiving Heaven.
>>98476302Hand for maximal cool factor.
>>98476319>every time you grab something you get poked in the eyeThat sounds like a curse.
>>98476323Well, I never said it was practical, just cool.
>>98476316Third eye above the brown eye eh?>>98476319>>98476323Maybe the wrist? It'd be kinda cool & emo/goth to have the slit of the eye crossing your wrist like a cutting scar & then when you use your powers it opens & weeps blood.
>>98476316
>>98475968The Yellowstone repopulation effort was clearly a mistake, I'll have to consult the conservation manager
>>98475931Fair enough, how many soft ball events you would recomend before any actual threat shows up? like locking the child in an elevator i-carly style?
>>98475968Awoooooooooooo
>>98475897Depends on what you mean by child
>>984764477~10 to 1. I hate to use tv-show terminology because so many game designers are starting to incorporate that shit into hard mechanics, but a ward should only be seriously threatened like once every "season" or two. If its every season its just a waiting game for when it happens, so mix it up, put two bad things back to back & then nothing else for a while, stretch out a lot of mundane stuff then hit with something traumatic. Even better if you wait until theyre really bored & make the mudane thing something thats actually scary like theyre new date is a monster etc. Find little ways to tie their mundane life to the supernatural, like their best friend isn't he son of a Pentex exec or something like that, but dont go overboard. If anything the ward should be somewhat like an anchor to the normal world
>>98475968>awoos on all levels, except physical
>>98476489>"I'm spiritually a wolf">barksYou may want to see a shaman to check on your spirt heritage, human
>>98476489This triggers a Red Talon's Rage roll.
>>98476499Its okay hes Bonegnawer kinfolk
>>98476508Why are they so hated
>>98476508That's nonsense, he looks to clean and frail to be Bone Gnawer kin>>98476552We don't hate them, but someone has to be the omega, although Silver Fang propaganda exaggerates it to draw attention away from their own shortcomings
>>98476552They'll open a caern in the middle of a tourist trap and not see the problem.
Working on a new Mage character. In my mind he’s basically Shaggy from Scooby Doo. He was invoked with paranormal investigations and awakened when he encountered an actual monster (a bane.) He was doing his big explanation and then paused and said “the only way that could be the case is if…it’s real” and then he awakened. He ran away screaming shortly afterward. not sure what sort of mage he should be. Maybe Virtual Adept-he was a podcaster and YouTuber beforehand. And yes he’s a miserable coward who was smug as shit in his videos and then pissed himself when it became real
>>98476552Hobos>>98476573>omegaWell, someone has to "scale the wall" and it's certainly not the "Bone Gnawer"
>>98476552Fleas
>>98476552no real reason, going through dumpsters and eating trash is a perfectly valid thing to do for a warrior of gaia
The Ahadi kind of acts as proof that things could get better
>>98476486Yeah I know that putting the kid through the ringer every week is too much for a 3 dot flaw, thanks for the advice.The initial plan was to have the child pay for the parent's fuck-ups cascading into some wider social problems because woof's don't get to keep their friends. I just want to make it more interesting than John Pentex kidnapping them and doing horrible things to the, turning them into a fomorian, before forcing the pack to kill her like the game did.
Darn
>>98476646Seems like an Orphan, or a Hollow One if you must pick a Tradition. Yes, he knows the supernatural is real now, but how exactly does that allow him to use magick? I guess a Virtual Adept COULD fit if he was focused on controlling the “flow of information” aspect of his paranormal investigations.
>>98476810He was found by a tradition mage shortly afterward due to being e-famous. The way I was thinking it is he would be using the internet for his magick, manipulating things with social media, YouTube, etc. Workings based on things like rumors and myths spread online.
>>98476706Actually, John Pentex getting involved isn't such a bad idea if you want something really fucked-up.Like, say, we take >>98476486 anon's idea about the new bf who happens to be a son of a Pentex exec.He's not fucked-up like his father, might actually be a genuinely good person despite the heritage. Big swoon.Mix that with personal horror by putting said bf in danger of being made into a fomori, following the demotion and punishment of his father for his inability to stop the woofs' recent attack.Now it's a race against time to save the kid, or be forced to rip and tear the ward's first love who used to be one of the few good people in the World of Darkness.You don't have to target the ward directly to seriously fuck them up - sometimes it's better to target people around them for the big-time Suck. It'll hit harder.
>>98476865Usually there's some of logical connection between these things, at least in the mage's head.The mage Awakened due to the realisation that the monsters are real and the world is full of them, but how does that realisation allow him to cast magic through the internet?Or is his magic more founded in the belief that the truth regarding monsters has been covered up and that humans are suckers who can be easily fooled by whatever information they consume, and the existence of monsters is secondary to the fact that the truth can be manipulated so readily?
>>98476885>Kill their uncleBased trauma-inducer.
>Childhood friends with a GarouIMAGINE
>>98476674The rest of the Nation is just jealous that they don't get to go subway surfing.
>>98476992>>Childhood friends with a Garou(female)
>>98476992>>98477006I am currently imagining being violently torn apart by a female garou during her first change, in a distinctly non-sexual manner. This image does not please me and I think I will pass on the Garou Chilhood Friend.
>>98476992That's actually what the Glenkildove text game is about. Yes, it ends about as poorly as you can imagine LMFAO. Though it doesn't help that the poor woof's family were literal human smuggling gangsters working with vampires
>>98477006>>98477016>>98477038I don't mean the romance genre
>>98477040>Romance GenreHitting on the woof(guy) in Glenkildove is purely optional. I know it's W5 but you really DO get the Garou childhood friend experience. Including 3 near death encounters, getting threatened by his very unstable normie family, killing your friend because he's too retarded to control himself, etc.
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>>98476992is it still a childhood friend if you're a shota mage and theres an age gap between you two
>>98477134>ShotaWhat age of Shota and what age gap
>>98477149[spoilers]10 year gap[/spoilers]
>>98477134I was more thinking>Your childhood bro turns out to be a fucking wolf-dude>You end up deciding to help him in spite of not being a Kinfolk
>>98477157
>>98477168its late and im away from home posting on my phone im too tired to delete and repost sorru
>>98476885This is perfect & very much the kind of thing I was suggesting
>>98476865>>98476646How is this guy Shaggy? Seems more like youre better off picking an streamer to rip off
>>98475897Well the Tzimisce in our group is physically a 16yo, and was used as a prostitute by her sire. Though at this point I have nothing new to tell about her. That’ll happen in 12 hours
>>98476992>>98477006>>98477016Youngiysbshouldnjust read Blood & Chocolate
>>98477232>Youngiysbshouldnjust Do you need help, bro?
>>98477134Why is there such low testosterone levels in these threads? Too many femboys and shotas
>>98477157Jesus
>>98477238I have damage in my thumbs so when I post on mobile my thumbs dont always fully move to the right place when typing fast. I try to proof read but sometimes forget & post with mistakes. I appologize
>>98477244Oh, fuck, I had no idea. Sorry, I was assuming it was just some brain fart.
>>98477239I blame the tzis.
What would a robot-themed WOD/COfD be called?Automaton: The Artifice?
>>98477247Please do not worry about it my friend. Sometimes my shit is indecipherable nonsense & its my own fault. The autocorrect only seems to kick on when I dont need it too, lol. Its mostly in my right thumb & I can do things normal enough. The biggest problem is stuff like typing on a phone I dont have the same spatial awareness (or whatever its called) of my thumb as I need so I'll aim for "i" or "l" key & end up with "k" because my thumb doesnt pull over enough. Or I move down to the space bar & hit "b" or "n" instead.
Are numinas a Hunter’s Hunter thing? I’m trying to figure out what kind of powers hunters have access to, and if you can mix and match all of themI know that reckoning you become imbued… which are powers aligned with your creed if I remember right. Vigil I think that you’re supposed to be a normie, but I don’t know if you can have powers.Also are numinas worth it for vampires?
>>98477267Singularity: the Uprising
>>98477277Non-HtR mortals can have Numinas & Sorceries.HtV mortals can be average Joe's but if you take status with a group that provides an Endowment you can have special abilities or access to gear
>>98477267There is a fansplat called Sovereign: The Autonomy
>>98473648I always hated Dreaming due to it's demonization of growing up, but this is just going to make me hate it more
>>98477317>implying that you have to abandon joy and silliness to grow up
>>98477322Anon...
>>98475537>overly focusing on any discipline over the rest does that. the player guide to high/low clans has rules for thatYeah this actually applies to all disciplines but is forgotten like 90% of the time
>>98477317>>98477325Don't make me tap the C.S. Lewis quote.
>>98477345Anon that's literally a rule in CTD
>>98477333What happens to those who over focus on Thaumaturgy?Asking for a friend.
>>98477355>What happens to those who over focus on Thaumaturgy?You lose all ability to communicate outside of thaumaturgy jargon and you can't even really notice it. I can't remember if the jargon is even coherent.
>>98477317Its not about resisting "growing up" its about finding ways to escape the drudgery & the bullshit that kills you inside
>>98477355Thaumaturgy isnt exactly a Discipline, but theres some thaum related flaws that would be appropriate.
>>98477358So... something like an extreme version of picture related?
>>98477229Catalina, right? I really enjoy her inability to catch a break. Its pretty relatable.>>98477239>Too many femboys and shotasI think I technically fall more under trap since >>98477249 gave me hourglass proportions. Could tag Neko on there too since I got turned into a cat by a Verbena, cured with Pentex alchemical experiments, then kidnapped by faeries, and made into a natural blonde and given feline traits again with Naming.
>>98477367Fuck, I wanted to post Thaumaturgical Glossolalia, but can't find the flaw right now.
>>98477358So, something like:>Adept thaumaturges have sometimes been diagnosed with Thaumaturgical Glossolalia, a mental derangement that stems from over-expenditure and heavy reliance on Thaumaturgy. Afflicted persons under stress speak only in thaumaturgical symbology, but often the mind of the individual seems to shift into a different state of thought – almost like magical aphasia. The afflicted rarely has any idea they are doing anything unusual, and sometimes become unable to translate more mundane language.
>>98477371>bakeslave is dark haired again
>>98477372>>98477374It's in Clanbook Tremere: Revised page 69
>>98477388That would be cool flaw for a Tremere.
>>98475920This woman is over rated for signature character or do I not understand the world of darkness meta lore well enough to recognize her merits? As a lot of the npcs strike me as mary or garry sues.
>>98477267Golem: The guarding
>>98477267Go even more beyond, Pinocchio: The Automata
>>98477386Those drugs do mighty work rather fast
okay since people dont like femboys or shotas, its time to move onto the next hottest thing approved by hollywood elites:lesbianspresentingan anime schoolgirl chorister nun and her vampire classmatethoughts?
>>98477450Wouldn't the presence of the Chorister be toxic to the Vampire? Actually sounds like a cute idea though
>>98477456not until true faith 5
>>98477450>her vampire classmateGo on...
>>98477456Choristers don't inherently have True Faith even tho with the right spheres they can imitate the effects.
>>98475771>>98475802They die of staph infections after antibiotic-resistance makes modern surgery impossible. Relax, Oblivion won.
>>98477469her clan is my headcanon japanese banu haqim splinter faction that is being hunted by the rest of the camarilla and is using this mage, who unknowingly has a future self archmage keeping them in a timeloop each time the vampire dies
>>98477277CofD mortals can also use supernatural merits, even tier 3 hunters. These include stuff like telekinesis, being a medium, etc.
>>98477239Nah man, I want to be the loli.
>>98476302In the socket of one of your regular eyes. Just throw the old one away
>>98476122yeah dementation pays upfront and valeren/obeah doesn't get one for the same reason temporis or ogham doesn'tsalubri are already reduced to a bloodline at this point (not that there been any books showing how salubri been as a clan...)
>The daughter of two wealthy Syndicate operatives, Cory Ann Chambers is a true child of the Technocracy. Intense physical, social, and mental conditioning groomed C.A. Chambers to excel. Complimenting an arsenal of social skills and psychological tactics, C.A. inherited good looks, world-class physical training, and medical miracles capable of preserving the first from the damage inflicted by the second.>As the social-influencer era dawned, a teenage C.A. appeared to be a perfect synthesis of beauty, brawn, and brains. With approval from upper management, C.A. achieved a brief surge of fame. That fame ended when C.A. Chambers got “canceled” in several senses of that word. Losing her profile, her liberties, her family’s wealth, and her own identity, C.A. was punished with Forfeiture, Reassignment, and Amended Society. After a brief work over that included a cosmetic yet traumatic “adjustment” of her face and hair, C.A. Chambers became a Front-Line Field Operative. In a flourish of ironic cruelty, the NWO supervisor in charge of her reassignment named this child of privilege “Marx.”>For several months, Marx served faithfully in this new, discomfiting role. As a reward for good service, she’s been recently reinstated to her identity as C.A Chambers. Even so, the experience left her wary of missteps and upper-echelon Technocrats. For now, she remains in a field-operative role, avoiding a return to influencer status in favor of the constant challenges involved in fieldwork — especially assignments that put her combat training and social acumen to good use.>knocked her ass down to Appearance 2 and pockets all her cash>don't even specify what prompted this punishmentGotta love NWO's sense of whimsy.
>>98476992>Be a hunterSee, your murderers come with smiles, they come as your friends, the people who've cared for you all of your life
>>98477333It's such a cool concept, but needs to be expandet for the more niche disciplines.
>>98477594>valeren/obeah doesn't get one for the same reason temporis or ogham doesn'tTemporis does have one, it fucks with your ability to stay attached.>The True Brujah bloodline claims a peculiar Discipline that allows them some control over the flow of time. Masters of Temporis often grow ever more detached from the passage of ages. This, combined with the natural tendency for Sages to grow emotionally and spiritually distant, makes True Brujah elders exceptionally dangerous. They know that all life is finite, and so they feel no compunction about ending it.-V20 coreIt's a bit redundant considering how old vampires already are prone to be detached but it does exists.>>98477629One of the things I liked about V5 was at least toying with the idea of bringing this idea to the lower levels of the disciplines. Can't let elders have all the fun.
I just mix CofD and WOD entirely.Yes, I mix Forsaken and Apocalypse. How?I make the Uratha a tribe with entirely different customs for the fun of it.I make the Dreaming Changelings into pseudo-Charlatans.And so onnnn because it's funnnnnn
>>98477655Haha you almost said "urethra" lol
>>98477636>Temporis does have one, it fucks with your ability to stay attached.ah okay i was just lookin in the guide to high/low clans and there temporis and valeren get nothing despite being in those books>>98477629i seriously love these two books they have: a tool box to help new players make dark age characters for every clan, new powers, discipline derangments, bloodlines and sample characterand none of it feels badly written or too small despite it only being two books
>>98477655More power to you anon. Requiem Kindred entering a city to find a fully established Tremere chantry sounds like it'd be a wildly fun time. A Union cell taking down an Imbued thinking they're a Slasher, fuck yeah.
>>98477675Yeh
>>98477629This doesn't have every disadvantage listed I believe. IIRC one mentioned example as a result of overusing Obfuscate was that vampire gets used to being invisible too often they start forgeting how to act as a visible individual and start isolating themselves, on top of the compulsive invisibilityI remember while I was reading through those that was the one I thought was most interesting but these basically never get brought up anyway
>>98477717There's also IIRC the feeling that there's other things lurking with even better obfuscate who'll get your ass if you stop hiding.
>>98477717>>98477731yeah those are just from the these books. you guys happen to know where the others are? i am interested in collecting them all in one place
Okay so if I see a shapeshifter in their warform I suffer from delirium, but what if I see like, five shifters in their warforms? Do I get like, five times the delirium, just generally a stronger version of delirium, or the same amount that I would've gotten if I saw only one?
>>98477809What if they're T-posing in a circle around you?
>>98477616You Malks need to stop saying weird shit to the normies, they don't pay us enough to tardwrangle you
I keep seeing people keep saying wod doesn't have good combat. Has anyone ever tried to make it good?
>>98477809Same amount as just one of them
Without the god machine, how do you explain God punishing Cain and werewolves having their own proven to exist gods? Is Gaia really just a big fey and not a god? What about the weaver, wyrm, and the wyld? Are they really just the holy trinity in disguise?
>>98477847It was revenge for Anon's post, and a lot of other things. And there was nothing that we could do about it. Anon was a Camarilla man, and Anon wasn't. And we had to sit still and take it. It was among the Cainites. It was real bloodsucker shit.
>>98477367Being around weirdo Christians when they start speaking in tongues is an experience I highly recommend.
>>98478008Talking WoD not CofD here, since you said God Machine.abrahamic vs animism is one of the core clashes of WoD metaplot, and most splats fall into either of the two campsBroadly there's a bunch of approaches but they usually fall into three categories. Abraham first, Animism first or Multiple Simultaneous Realities.>Abraham firstGaia is an angel, usually identified as the Archangel of Life. Has some supporting evidence.>Animism firstThe God of Abraham(and any other god) is just a very powerful spirit.>simultaneous realityweird shit where god is simultaneously real and not real and basically everything is fucky wucky.
>>98478008m20 tries to go with: the one made the umbra the triach is the operating system it's running on dtf went with the implication that the triach and gaia are loyalist archangels who tried to pick up the task of running creation after whatever happened with god and the angelic host after the first malestrom and the fallrevised mage/vampire/werewolf meanwhile said "not the same game boyo"
>>98478008the games metaphysics aren't compatible and if you run crossover you yourself have to choose the primary gameline>You see, Werewolf makes a lot of assumptions about the universe’s truths. It’s written from the perspective that there is a spirit world, that there is a Gaia-style worldsoul, that shapeshifters were created and not evolved — the list goes on and on. Vampire is not written with these precepts in mind>his is a Werewolf book so we’re presuming that the Werewolf side of things is the correct one> might not be appropriate for Vampire-themed gamesWerewolf The Dark Ages pg 158>First, ask yourself which game are you playing: Mage or Werewolf? While they share the same world, the two are entirely separate games. Each has its own distinct themes and metaphysical cosmologies. So are you playing a Mage game that incorporates Werewolf elements or a Werewolf game that incorporates Mage elements? If you’re playing Werewolf, then the Wyrm is the ultimate source of metaphysical evil and Nephandi and Infernalists are each serving part of a schizophrenic whole. On the other hand, if you’re playing Mage then the Wyrm is just one more cosmic horror among manybook of madness rev 103>Mage posits a world where humans take central importance but don’t know it except in a few rarecases. In Vampire humans are victims; they unknowingly have predatory monsters in their midst. In Werewolf there’s a very specific way that the cosmos works, with delineated good and evil. Nonetheless, these games could conceivably take place in the same world, but one where not everybody is always right. Mage Storytellers Handbook pg 16or just shrug and avoid any questions >Mixing the worlds properly, without favoring one over another, requires a bold sense of diversity and a willingness to suspend questions about ultimate reality. Themes concerning the conflicts between these worldviews (and the possible resolution of them) might become prominent.also pg 16
>>98478058>not the same game boyoI prefer to roll with DtF's "facets of reality", but facets are also "if you play VtM - you, The Player, see WoD through vampire facet with Cain, antedeluvians'n'shiet; woof game - you see woof's facet full of spirits" etc, so every point of view is correct, but whar exactly happens for the observer depends purely on the observer - which is potentially infinite realities, limited by the amount of observers only - and this also justify ST's non-canon decisions.
>>98477599NWO showing everyone why they're the worst convention part: we've lost track. Also, what book?
>>98478151Operative's Dossier. It was in the section about various Technocracy bases. They also have an Antarctic base looking into creating a virus that can enslave spirits.
>>98478125>the games metaphysics aren't compatibleThe erroneous conclusion of an autistic mind.
>>98478144i get where you are coming from but i am also kinda annoyed when people say dtf solved the inconsistencies of wod with phases or bitch about them because both show that people haven't even read the opening fiction of the corebookthe modern world in wod as dtf describes it does not have phases a song can not also be a coffee cup anymore that was a feature of the pre fall world which was part of what gave it beauty unimaginable compared to the modern world
>>98477371>trapBakeslave. You have tits. Those are secondary female sexual characteristics. You are are a pre-op MTF. I'm sorry you had to find out this way. *confiscates your femboy and trap liscenceses*
>>98476992>Never ask a Garou which convention his friend belongs to
>>98475638>>98475797>>98476294I wonder if there's something similar for the kuei-jins.
>>98478177>the modern world in wod as dtf describes it does not have phasesObvuously. DTF itself points that out when it discusses resonance.A lot of peoplw misunderstand DTFs stance. It's cosmology is that everything was a series of different universes in the past, but somehow, they each fucked up majorly in some way and fused together to continue surviving.
>>98476992...the sex would be amazing
Is it possible to build an immunity to the Delirium if you get exposed to it too many times?
>>98478480I believe there was a rule somewhere where if you are prepared for it and have faced it before you get to roll wits+occult and add it to your effective WP rating.
>>98477599>>98478153If this were in the Revised era, NWO wouldn't have dared to do that kind of shit.
>>98478480society of leopold hunters somehow train to become immune to it, but i don't think we are given any more details about how that training looks like
>>98477629What book is this from?
>>98478568nta but those are from VTM Dark Ages Player's Guide to High Clans/Low Clans books
>>98477386>>98477446I like to think the Malleate and Blending power allows me very limited shifting but if I lose concentration I just go back to blonde Neko. Prolly should do a storytime to explain my new powers from the Fomarch experiments/Changeling shenanigans.>>98478189I thought because I didnt identify as a woman, I wouldnt fall in the tranny category. Ive asked before but I think everyone has a different criteria.
>>98478480Yeah, but how that actually works is going to be entirely determined by your ST.
>>98477636Temporis should have you constantly rewinding time to do things again over & over against obsessively seeking to prefect the smallest of actions
>>98477629The relations between disciplines and vampire psychology doesn't have to be limited to capital D Derangements, you could have Volgirre unconsciously fleshcraft their faces to match intense emotions, like being super-sad -> making a super-sad face. Or a raging Tzimisce sprouting (more) horns or whatever.
I was doing some research into Balkan vampires and I realised there could be some form of western Kuei-jin living there.There's the Albanian Sampiro who rise from their grave based on their sinful lifestyle and/or possible Turkish ancestry(and where do Turks come from? That's right, the East) and the fact that the vampires there can fuck and have dhampir children, something the Kindred can do but the Kuei-jin can't.What do you think?
>>98476552They are not hated, in fact they are accepted as what they are - retarded hobos.
>>98477371Mathilda is the teenage Tzimisce. Catalina is the Lasombra who’s whipping her into a proper sabbat… and have her behave like a dog, and eat her out.
>>98478496I'd like to see Control's reaction to what the Union became
>>98477629a nightkin like nosferatu with paranoid schizophrenia that absolutely wigs the fuck out when he thinks someone is looking at him when not using obfuscate sounds like an amazing character concept
>>98476552Listen here you bum, we don't expect a lot from you. Get a job, contribute to the economy and don't funnel your money to literal freaks of nature. Also, consider using more soap.
>>98478626Sounds fun, I always imagined some Kuei-jin also followed the Mongols to Europe
The WoD cosmology works perfectly fine if youre willing to do the work, & willing to be selective with the mishmash of the lore. Its okay to just say "this didnt happen" to close off a contradiction.God made everything, then largely left. The Triat are the embodiment of the forces he put into place that make creation. Gaia is the spirit of the world under these forces.The exile of Adam & the First City all the way up to the Flood are the rebellion of Lucifer & the Impergium & maybe even the first War of Rage. Any conflicting histories or memories & records are easily explained by consensus & the absolute laundry list of powers in multiple splats that allow for the rewriting of history & the deletion of people places & things through powers like Naming. Obfuscate & Nomenclature.
>>98477371>>98478576So bakeslave has a pussy on top of being a pussy?
>>98478793No, bakeslave still has a penis, sadly. For now.
>>98476992
>>98478787also pre-history was a layered reality where every creation myth was happening at once and it all worked in harmony and now reality is a single layer with all of them combined into one which is how every mage is technically correct in their beliefs.
>>98478824It doesnt have to be a multi layers reality. There could be one Genesis by God, but there was so much going on that people legitimately dont remember their history properly. Its why everything seems to have locked in with the Flood too. It was after that when the Wyvr was able to start getting a proper hold on things to bring order to the Chaos
>>98478626>something the Kindred can do but the Kuei-jin can't.I meant the reverse godammt
>>98478695I had a feeling I scrambled the names.>>98478793Do tentacle vaginas count? Because if so then I have 4 albeit the top two are likely to bite. Enter at your own risk.>>98478799*ears flatten and tail swishing*
>>98478576If bakeslave has sex characteristics of both then he's intersex. Since he didn't start with those characteristics he's technically transsexual, but since he was always a dude and remains a dude in his own identification, he's not transgender.This distinction being broken down so granularly in real life doesn't matter because almost nobody has sex change against their will; the only exception are some intersex people who end up with secondary sexual characteristics of the opposite natal sex during puberty or similar. And even then their experiences aren't really alike trans people.t. Intersex, puberty was a very strange time.Although obviously none of what I just wrote matters since per >>98478962 bakeslave is some sort of fleshcrafted multi-heramphrodite that defies any language we currently possess.
How would a crossover/fusion of World Of Darkness and DC work out?
>>98479041DC but with WoD names. DC is a huge ass setting.But hey, at least Man of Gotham fits perfectly to it.
>>98479041I once did a remaining of DC that presents Batman as sort of a werebat thingy
>>98479041-Batman as a Hunter that only kills vamps.-Croc as a mokole who's always in his war form-Gotham in general being such a cesspit that delirium is not a thing amongst the locals.
>>98479077>batman mage is literally real and he absolutely will always win with preptime, no matter whatholy kino
How powerful are methuselahs compared to garou?
>>98479112Canonically make Garou their bitches, often running packs of them as servants or turning them into mutated slaves. Mechanically, it's a bit stickier because of ambiguity in crossover mechanics, but generally elder powers are extremely good even if you don't use the Mage rules that tell you to directly compare stats (meaning elder powers will always beat non-vampires).
>>98479112which garou and which methuselah? Lorewise Methuselah effortlessly mog Garou Elders. Actual mechanics wise most Methuselah will be completely obliterated by a pack of experienced garou.
So, how fucked would supernaturals be if Imbued were like non-arcane D&D classes and leveled like them?
>>98479092>-Batman as a Hunter that only kills vamps.At the very least he'd try to keep them in a constant artificially induced torpor.
>>98479139But where would he store the torpor vamps? The cave isn't endless, just very big, and no way he's giving them to Arkham
>>98479092It probably makes more sense for Batman to be a vamp himself who feeds on the criminals he takes down.
>>98479141Arkham but it's a graveyard full of torpid vampires that people keep digging out
>>98479155that's just Kirk Langstrom from gods and monsters
>>98479092>Batman as a Hunter that only kills vamps.or batman as mage who has a entire asylum full of imbued that he refuses to kill even when they are trying their best to kill him
>>98479136Very. Top barbs would overpower garou, top clerics would outright raise the dead en masse, top thiefs are basically the spy from TF2...
>>98479155Anon, batman fundamentally breaks as a character if you given him superpowers. If you make batman a vampire, then that's not batman, that's a vampire doing LARP.The thing that makes batman cool is the fact he's human.
>>98479197Batman had everything from infinite money to infinite technobabble to tibetan monk BS. He is human in name only. Fucking hell, Absolute Batman might as well be Hulk Jr. with how phyically strong he is
>>98479197No, that's a stupid meme. Batman often has superpowers, especially when he's doing Justice League things instead of hanging in Gotham. The more the comic emphasizes that Batman doesn't have powers, the more likely he is to have powers in that issue. Like the time he just shrugged off orbital re-entry and walked out of a crater.
>>98479203Still just a human with resources 8-10 and access to WoD: Combat maneuvers.
>>98479203Though adding to this, Absolute comics runs on "If Frodo has a lightsaber, Sauron has a Deathstar" rules so all of his villains are heavily buffed
>>98479215No, it's "Sauron has a Halo".
>>98479203>>98479206This shit is why I miss the old batman comics. They used to be about batman being an actual detective with the superpowered technofaggotry being rarely present. Fighting people like Bane was Hard, and fighting the bigger supers was about abusing the fuck out of their super-weaknesses.Old batman was basically a hunters hunted player before hunters hunted.
>>98479215Poor Bruce, holy shit
>>98479229>Old Shit had Sovl>New Shit is RetardedMany such cases.
>>98479229Early Batman comics were gonzo sci-fi bullshit. He's arguably weaker nowadays even with the Hellbat and Absolute Batman in his recent publication than he was when he had a spaceship car that could tour the galaxy so he could hang out with his best buddy Superman.
>>98479229His overreliance on tech was one of the worst things about Telltale's Batman
>>98479250Telltale was desperately trying to be the next Arkham games.
Back to WOD, even if a chainsaw lacks silver, wouldn't it be a good weapon against garou (assuming the wielder is strong enough for it)?
>>98479261In their defense, their antagonist reveal was much better than Arkham Knight's. A lot better writing in some other parts too actuallyAK had amazing graphics though. I wish a WoD game looked like that. AK is now something like 11 years old too
>>98479271>wouldn't it be a good weapon against garouNo.The "Heal 1 Health Level Per Round" shit means anything you chop off will grow back in a round or two and now the garous has a shit tone of Rage points from you trying that.
>>98479288What if I chop them apart Ash Williams style though?
How do trolls measure up to garou?
>>98479003Thank you for your analysis anon. I think Tzimisce/Pentex Pet Project would be the easiest way to summarize Bakeslave. My head is hurting trying to understand my own character.>>98479077My friend is going to crack up when I show him this.>>98479092Croc should be a metis. Easiest way to keep Crinos permanent. Isnt there a flaw that prevents shifting into certain forms? Could tweak it so he doesnt have homid or suchid forms.>Gotham in general being such a cesspit that delirium is not a thing amongst the localsTheyre so inundated with Delirium they just kinda go with everything without questioning it.>>98479203I usually give some leeway to humans in the DC universe because if you apply irl logic, even baseline humans have been capable of some remarkable feats. DC humans are just built different.
>>98479288chainsaws are specifically stated to deal aggravated somewhere
>>98479271Chainsaws aren't actually that good as weapons, even if they do get a huge buff from the Rule of Cool
>>98479381yeah in real life trying to cut flesh with a chainsaw can total your chainsaw and even if it it's gonna be a huge mess
>>98479301>>98479345If you cut a Garou exactly in half, do you get a dead Garou or two Garou
>>98479243>HellbatThe what now?
>>98479397I personally think it’s a matter of how the blades are assembled. Chainsaw blades aren’t really straight or sharp, more designed to cut through wood
Does a Garous first change always happen at night? I'd imagine it'd be a much more thrilling situation for someone trying to get to a cub when they suddenly go on a rampage in broad daylight.Especially if its in the middle of lets say a festival or a protest
>>98478778>"Let the Sleepers deal in the real world." -Syndicate's top guyWhat did he mean by this?
>>98479077How come these guys aren't all dead? They don't have Technocracy backing through the SI, so they should all be ripped apart by vampires, werewolves, the Technocracy, and fey.
>>98479408nano bot super suit made by the justice league that let's batman fight somewhat against darkside
>>98479417Or worse, if they're young parents.
>>98479403If you cut lengthwise you end up with a dead GarouIf you cut horizontally I think...you end up with a living Garou who no longer has his legs. I don't think Garou regeneration can heal a would like that without a Battle Scar unless you have magic bullshit or an ally who can keep the two halves of you together for a minute.
>>98479408Batman's suit for world ending threats. The whole Justice League worked together to make it for him. It will kill him if he uses it too much, which is why he doesn't use it every day.
>>98479416it's part that and part that you can get blood and flesh goo and bits of tendons into the machinery my brother once had the genius idea to try and cut a deer with a chainsaw...
>>98479417i think it has something to do with the moon, but you can see the moon sometimes during day so go for it
>>98479408All of Batman's friends in the Justice League got together, and everyone contributed something, to form a suit of magical power armor, handforged by the god Hephaestus (Diana's contribution was commissioning him), that allows Batman to fight high end threats. He almost died using it against Darksied because it fueled off his lifeforce, but it still let him fight seriously against an actual god.
>>98479461>Diana's contribution was commissioning himDidn't expect DC to write realistic female behavior.
>>98479417Eclipse Ahroun should be a thing. Make it a merit & give it cool shit maybe
>>98479468Hiring a professional to work with high value materials instead of wasting them on a sub-par product to product your ego?
>>98479430Damn, no infinite Garou exploit for me.
>>98479477
>>98479419Because they are Marauders. No one fucks with Marauders unless they have a deathwish or they have to.
Decaying cities filled with huge, looming edifices cast shadows on the destitute and the damned. Stone gargoyles watch from atop the tallest buildings, bearing mute testimony to crime and suffering in the streets.Faith is dying here, even while massive churches perform rituals for the desperate. Even in the suburbs and urban sprawl, fearful people live behind thin walls, numbing themselves by perpetu-ating empty lives from day to day.A few people have the energy to resist this oppressive world, and they do so on a grand scale. Wherever the rich and powerful exploit their influence, rebellion stirs. A thriving counterculture strikes back at an uncaring soci-ety, rebelling with words, music and often violence. Hell bent for leather, it lashes out with desperate energy. Yet all too often, these rebels burn out in a blaze of glory. Under-ground clubs are ready to indulge the most exotic vices of the desperate. Street gangs, vainglorious bands and savvy entrepreneurs incite them into a frenzy of aggression and they profit from the results. Thus, crime is common, apathy is de rigueur, and cynicism is rampant.However, this world is not without hope — after all, there is no darkness without light. Modern heroes, fully aware of the corruption that surrounds them, are ready to fight for their beliefs. Their world is dying, yet they are alive, full of fury and the power of the Earth itself. From the depths of the wilderness they come, with sharpened claws and vengeful rage. As the natural world dies, they seek and destroy the evils that surround them. As monsters, they stalk the night, crush-ing bones, savaging victims and staining the streets with crimson blood. Yet, despite their brutality, they are the only true guardians of the Earth: mystics in a modern hell, warriors in an unseen battle. Werewolves prowl the Earth in this world, as they have since the dawn of human history.From Revised, crazy how optimistic it was.
>>98479505>meanwhile IRL all the ecologists are either impotent and easily muffled or outright controlled oppositionWorld of Darkness my ass, World of Nobledark more like.
>>98479487What was his plan here? Is it a joke? Is it sincere? Am I overthinking an absolutely dumb clip?
>>98479521nta but the dude in that clip (who makes a bunch of similar shitty ones about women and feminism), turned out to be a pedo (or something about SA) if I remember right
>>98479418"Kinfolk" are masses-adjacent and should be treated as such. Being related to reality deviants is no excuse for being useless to the Union.
>>98478778>>98479532Thanks for the pearls of wisdom, Jeff.
How would I Am Legend (the book) work out in the WOD? Kin aren't affected by garlic, crosses (without True Faith) or mirrors. Would they be wights?
>>98479582In the book, they were able to overcome those weaknesses, so only the weakest people were plagued by them. The protagonist, as a vampire hunter, is eventually executed for being a serial killer.
>>98479603The living ones, not the ones that required stakes to keep wounds open.
>>98479603Nta but would it be more accurate to the book to portray them as revenants that can wight out?
>>98479625It's more like wights are a botched Embrace and vampire society has engaged in mass production for cures to their weaknesses instead of forcing every new vampire to reinvent the wheel.
Been thinking about a Werewolf game set in ASOIAF and considering ways to resolve the different sets of lore. On a surface level, I think Forsaken might work better than Apocalypse. ASOIAF feels like it would fit more with keeping nasty spirits on their side of reality rather than saving the world from the Wyrm.Any opinions or suggestions?
>>98479677I mean, that makes sense to me
>>98479582-Embracing goes massively wrong, new kin are outright wights.-Because kin don't sleep during the day, just entering a dark house is risking your ass.-Since kin are superhuman and wights even more so, the survival of humanity is nigh impossible if they're not supernatural, and even then I'm not seeing a garou surviving a swarm of the fuckers.
>>98479677i would also go with forsakenbut how do you want to do this? are werewolves still a secret or are they noble families ala the starks are werewolves fanfictions?
>>98478597That'd mean dropping the time travel powers a few dots lower into the ranks. Hard to have a derangement about time travel when you don't get the option before your eighth dot.
What exactly is the business situation with White Wolf these days? Do they still exist as a company or studio under whomever owns things now?I ask because I am thinking of making a retroclone of the original Storyteller system, without any reference to vampires or werewolves or any of that kind of stuff.
>>98479555No need to thank me, just doing my part. helping humanity is hard work but it needs to be done.
>>98479785they are again a company but a company under paradox that has not released anything so far so not much of a change legal wise so far
Replace d10 dicepools with>D6 dicepools, the proletariat's choice>tarot cards, the occultist's choiceWhich would best suit the World of Darkness?
>>98479773Just OCD then, repeating actions without rewinding
>>98479793No problem. When're you opening your next island by the way? Are you nervous about the sleepers potentially getting ahold of the List?
>>98479919Just say you weren't invited.
This does remind me that it would be fun to do an all stupendiusly wealthy Mages chronicle
>>98479885who the fuck would ever use carot tards?
>>98479996Wiccans, Neo-Pagans, Edgelords.
>>98479975How come those different factions aren't killing each other?
>>98480023Because they're war profiteers, or spies at best. The Ascension War is good for business, and knowing your business partners is also good business.
>>98480023What happens in the Constellation Club stays in the Constellation Club. It's like how they don't care if the grunts fuck off to the latest Ecstatic orgy when they come back for shore leave as long as they don't cause /too/ much trouble.
>>98480017>>98479996Tarot is a neat prompt but you need a decent skeleton to use it. D&D had a more usable version for ttrpgs but I don't remember most of the details.
>>98479505>>98479516W5 is truly a true-to-real-life update to the World of Darkness.
>>98480023Several reasons, others stated some of the reasons.My addition would be two facts.1) Technocracy hasn't bothered with truly hunting other Mages since Revised. That's why things like the Syndicate's "Lunatic Wraggler" exist.2) The higher up the ranks you are, be it the Traditions or the Technocracy, the less relevant the Ascension War becomes unless you are devoted to it. Like...most Tradition Archmages don't give a shit about the Technocracy and vice versa. Especially the old Mages like those in Doissetep, who are busy with politics and power jockeying among their Tradition than actually facing the Technocracy
>>98480023Because the union of old is gone ever since OG Control got fucked by the avatar storm. The Pogrom ended and the enforcement of the 5th precept got relaxed.
>>98480126sadly true
>>98480151How salty are the Craft remnants about getting their asses genocided only a few months before the Technocracy called the whole deal off?
>The M6 dev is Brucato again
>>98480228Wait what? ...Actually, as long as it is not Achilli, I take it. He just needs an Editor that knows to put his foot down.
>>98480239QRD on Brucato vs Achilli?
>>98474036>I drowned once>not 'almost drowned'WHAT IS DEAD MAY NEVER DIE, BUT RISES AGAIN HARDER AND STRONGER
>>98480260Achilli is a sellout and someone who has a very strict and one lane idea on how to play your games. Like V5. Very street-level, explicitly about making players miserable and the good ending for the chronicle being the Second Inquisition busting down and killing you. He always had one way of playing games and he infected other splats with it as well. Like W5.Brucato is a real life cultist. Not dangeorus but actually believes in stuff like Chaos Magic and how playing a game can influence real life. Shadow games and all. (With all the warnings about how you should not play Nephandi for example)He is also a pervert. Verbena style. There is a reason he has a nickname of Feet Wizard and his actual cult name is Satyros. Stuff like Hermione and "father's cock"But he is decent as long as an Editor can stop his ramblings and naughty writings.
>>98480158salty enough for most of them to accept the leadership of 90s gothmall kids and for hardcore christians to join with middle eastern mages
>>98479302Again, what did Bakeslave start as anyways? is he kinfolk or full shifter? I take he is homid, and that his tribe (if any) was never specified.
>>98480151>The Pogrom ended and the enforcement of the 5th precept got relaxed.And the entirety of Iteration X shed a digital tear
>>98480284>But he is decent as long as an Editor can stop his ramblings and naughty writings.Anon, when was the last time this happened? Was it 2004 or 2007? I cannot remember.
>>98480390never this is the same guy who got on a rant in the 2e mage story teller book about how he should be credited with the game instead of Wick or Mark and how there are no inconsitencies in his game that you didn't make up yourself by reading books from the two different editions!... only to later in the same book contradict himself on two rule questions about vitae in the same chapterguy was always a complete nutjob and his mage output was always worse than the rest
>>98480390Probably Revised...2004?M20 as a whole had no Editor, seeing Core, Book of the Fallen etc.
>>984803901998 he helped write the core book for sorcerer crusade. but we don't know which part he wroteif all of wod and not just mage is allowed then he also wrote a part of the pentex book in 2000the rest of his line up are either older (book of chantries 1993) or ... shitand the only mage book of the original run where he was project lead/creator was the revised corebook... meaning he has half of the blame of the reduced scope of the setting (the other half goes to the developer Jess Heinig)
>>98480352nta but I'm pretty sure bakeslave started as just some dude baking threads for his Tzimisce masters
>>98480284>Stuff like Hermione and "father's cock"Can someone give me pages numbers for this? I dont want to read through pages and pages of purple prose to find this. I want to know how bad it is
>>98480455Here, first is M20 core, the other is How do you do that
>>98480510All magickal and occultist people are weird incest sex freaks. They get it from Crowley or something.Incidentally all the otherkin that map onto changelings are weird sex freaks.And the weird 'real vampyre' cultists.Maybe every splat is just based on weird sex freaks irl.
>>98480529>Maybe every splat is just based on weird sex freaks irl
>>98480284>Brucato is a real life cultist. Not dangeorus but actually believes in stuff like Chaos Magic and how playing a game can influence real life. Shadow games and all. (With all the warnings about how you should not play Nephandi for example)>He is also a pervert. Verbena style. There is a reason he has a nickname of Feet Wizard and his actual cult name is Satyros. Stuff like Hermione and "father's cock"the best artists and writers are perverts, I don't see the problem here
>>98480284The prose is literally PURPLE
>>98479710I’d probably make them a secret in the same way that skinchangers, shadowbinders or COTF are - known quite commonly but believed to be either long-dead or entirely fictional, with the exception of certain cultures/areas (wildlings beyond the Wall, Asshai’i, possibly crannogmen, etc).As for nobility, perhaps a lesser house or two presiding over some insignificant backwater are actually Uratha, using their authority to preside over a community of wolfblooded and/or stand guard over a powerful locus. On the whole, though, I’d leave the larger nobility human, the Starks being no exception aside from maybe being distantly wolfblooded, and if they were they surely wouldn’t be the only ones.Right now I’m considering the history of the setting. I think the Sundering and Long Night should probably coincide, or at least happen in succession. I’ve been playing with the idea that the Great Other was a powerful malevolent spirit that managed to gain a foothold in the material world during either Father Wolf’s death or the subsequent fallout and now dwells in the far north, creating the Others to do its bidding. I don’t really like the show’s take on the Others’ origin - the Long Night was an event that impacted the entire known world and probably beyond, so making their existence a result of the COTF-First Men war feels like it cheapens the Others a bit.
>>98480352Ordinary human who got kidnapped, tortured, and given a feminine appearance (everything except genitals) by the Tzimisce for forgetting to title the general. He was then tortured again before being sold to Pentex and turned into a fomori for forgetting to title the general a week or so later. Honestly never intended for it to be an actual character but after my second fuck up I decided to go with it as penance and because a fair amount of anons were having fun with the character. Kinda funny this all started because I kept getting mad about untimely threads and inflammatory TQs. The final straw was when some asshole fucked with the links in the OP.
>>98478626Was Brucato part of the reason we had so many gnostic and other heresies references and "religious studies stuff" all over WoD?
>>98480713meant to quote >>98480284 sorry
>>98480387Wasn't it the Progenitors who were most salty about it?
Shark here!Game has ended. We’re finally out of the boat hiatus, so now I can relate to the Berserk fans.I’ll tell you all about my game later. I have a long drive back home.
So the exaggerated hate for Brucato is from zoomers with aversion to anything sexual?
>>98480902No, the way that he talks about the clits of fictional teenage girls is just the most easy and obvious thing to meme about.>He's an ageing bohemian whose liberalism and new age spiritualism informs a lot of his writing. He's one of the big pioneers of WoD's focus on fighting the Man and humanity returning to our spiritual roots.>He has a very high opinion of himself and his knowledge about things, so a lot of his books have a pretentious and authoritative tone, that can lead to him talking down to the readers.>Like a lot of White Wolf employees, he has a chip on his shoulder regarding online fans of WoD, so a lot of what he writes is chiding online fans for their interpretation of the rules, themes and lore.
>>98480792It X and the progs were the two groups who supported the pogrom the most, not that the others didn't have people and policies that didn't include hunting reality deviants. The Syndicate was ok with cutting deals with most while also being ordered to KOS werewolves
>>98480151>>98480127this is such lame faggotry, why do they do this? Less war and bloodshed? Who asked for this?
>>98480978>Who asked for this?People who wanted to play as the Technocracy without being the straight up main villain of three separate splats.
>>98480990>I wanna play WoD but I don't wanna play a bad guylol>I wanna play the Epstein faction but I don't wanna play a bad guylmao
>>98481008I'm not defending it, just explaining it.
>>98481014I know, it's just funny to me.
>>98480990It has always been perfectly reasonable to laser Merlins ass off for his fucking wizard shenanigans. Whimsy is only funny if you are not on the receiving end of the summoned dragon.
>>98480971>the way that he talks about the clits of fictional teenage girlsthis ain't reddit dude
>>98481021>It has always been perfectly reasonable to laser Merlins ass off for his fucking wizard shenanigans.It's also reasonable to blast the guys who are still asshurt by the actions of some fuck from another continent who died 800 years ago and dead set on making it everyone else's problem.>Whimsy is only funny if you are not on the receiving end of the summoned dragon.Just don't mind the psychiatric costs of things like erasing dreams entirely. OG Technocracy means all that 1st edition stuff about them stays true.
>>98481040So? Everything written in >>98480284 is still cringe.
>>98480510Jesus. Talk about writing with one hand under the table. Thank you for linking this, im gonna scrub my eyes with bleach
>>98480990First of all, that's lame. Second, they completely gutted the union. They're a bunch of pussies now. Morally gray enforcers of reality, at war with the supernatural was way better than 'uhhhhh we don't actually need to do these bad things because...we suddenly don't want to fight this war for all of reality like it's an actual war' shit
>>98481182>Morally gray enforcers of reality, at war with the supernatural was way betterDon't you guys bitch about how they were cartoon villains back then?
>>98481182Enough people fell for the "Technocracy are good guys responsible for all civilisation and maintaining civilisation" propaganda that White Wolf felt compelled to water them down to appease the fan boys.
>>98481188Technocracy fans are split 50-50 between>fuck yeah we're 1984 up in this shit we're going to kidnap wizards and convert them into a lobotomised cyborg army that will kidnap more wizards until magic is dead and all that is left is our glorious cyberpunk dystopiaand>actually the technocracy are objective morally superior to the traditions did you know that they don't even use social conditioning any more they're just enlightened civilised good boys who know what's best for the world
>>98481188literally putting gay chemicals in the water to turn the frogs gay to destroy the hopes of dreams of people and increase productivity by 0.00001% is different from waging a war for reality against an arguably just as bad faction (and crucially, against many things much worse than them)You can let them be autocrats without making them retarded cartoon villains. Despite how modern wh*tewolf treats it, the various flavors of autocracy are a real ideology with real talking points and real supporters that aren't all literally demon infested supervillains.
>>98481189because making yet another technology == evil splat would be redundant, the lore might've been cool, but it was too limiting
>>98481188I don't mind the most of it, I actually like it but there were parts that made no sense. I'm sure Control has better things to do than inventing allergies because people wanted to go outside every once in a while. It's the really silly shit that bothered me.
And so begins the usual TUDF posting of:>because the world would be just as bad if a tradition had control over the planet, it's a good thing that the technocracy has control over the planet and they must be given even more control over the planet because of this, the technocracy is the end of history and ideological evolution, nothing is better for mankind than this
>>98481220>because making yet another technology == evil splat would be redundant, the lore might've been cool, but it was too limitingThey weren't even that. That was the whole point of the Sons of Ether, Virtual Adepts and Void Engineers. Even 1st edition mage didn't treat technology as evil. It treated the Technocracy as evil since about 1850 or so.
The problem with maintaining the status quo is that it becomes indefensible when the status quo is objectively dogshit, moreso when it's based on unfulfilled promises.
>>98475638Like that movie Buttboy?
Shark here. I’ll try to summarize the night with fewer words and posts than usual. Tell me what you all think about it>ST announces that we finally arrived in Egypt, though we suffered weeks of delays due to sabotage>Not letting us investigate because we wasted weeks irl in the boat mini-arc>We all assume it’s the Assamites because we’re about to raid their home base>We arrived in Cairo, and our target is called the Black Pyramid. Which is hidden in Thebes>We’ll need to take the train, but we’ll have to wait a few nights for it to be fully loaded up with our equipment>Most of the powerful vampires in our expedition decided to stay at the most luxurious and pricey hotel>So did Catalina>So did Shark, but he’s not paying because he’ll hide in her wardrobe like some kind of paralysis demon>That leaves Mathilda wondering where she would rest, since she’s poor as dirt and don’t want to be forced to share Catalina’s bed>She tried to ask one of her pack mates, one of the other hoes in service to Mathilda’s sire named Alexandra>She got promptly told to fuck off>Mathilda’s the bottom bitch, and the other bitches are extremely jealous that Mathilda shares their master’s blood>She tried to goad Mathilda into a frenzy with insults, but the Tzimisce managed to hold on her sanity>So now Mathilda was standing alone at the center of town at the middle of the night>Out of nowhere a whip quickly ensnared her neck>No sound came out of her throat>She tried to fight it, she tried to outrun it, but her opponent used some kind of combination discipline that made the whip drain some of her temporary willpower>But she only had two>So she was immediately captured and brought to the base of the Banu Haquim in Cairo
>>98481418>The Assamite would have loved nothing more than to drain Mathilda dry and consume her soul, unfortunately most of them were under the Tremere’s curse and unable to do so>She was also worthless as an hostage seeing how her coterie (Catalina) and her pack (Alexandra) were treating her>So they did the next best thing>Under threat of final death and mind control they forced the teenager to teach them how to use Vicissitude>Many assassins learned the secrets of the fiends that night. And they learned a lot>At the end they drugged her to make her lose consciousness and forget what happened. Mathilda botched>She believed that everything that happened was a dream>And she had quite a rude awakening>When Mathilda came back to her senses she found herself thrown away into a pile of garbage>And a goat was shitting on her face>Explosive diarrhea style>Still injured from her encounter (the player never remembers to spend blood to heal), the prostitute dragged herself away from the pile of trash and feces>She didn’t cross more than one or two streets that she fell victim to the random encounter generator table>She found herself accosted by three men, and they are debating either raping her on the spot or dragging her to their organization to sell into sex slavery>Mathilda knew that she couldn’t resist them because if they get violent, and also… she was so fucking done with that night’s bullshit>Her plan was to pull out her pistol, point it at her head and shoot herself>They probably wouldn’t rape a dead body, right?>The degenerate who was into shit, was also into necrophilia. The dice really aren’t into Mathilda’s favor>We managed to convince the player to just shoot in the air and scream to scare off the rapists>And it worked>Afterwards she found herself an abandoned mud shack and went to sleep
>>98481418>>98481500Based Shark, you're the highlight of this thread.
>>98481261Nothing but The Truth. Honestly, w- I mean they should control the entire universe
>>98481261>>98481563Why don’t we let the sleepers vote on how reality should work like?
>>98481584Would you let a child vote on how the world is run? Same principle applies here
>>98481500>Meanwhile Catalina did a lot of politics and socializing with sabbat elders>Shark was derping in her room>Until he found a letter sliding off from the door>Former PC and now NPC Asenath the Setite invited Shark and his friends to meet her mentor the Grand Priestess, at her temple>She also said multiple times how Shark was sexy, which was really confusing for him>He doesn’t have genitals, nipples, bellybutton and not even an asshole. And he has both the Nosferatu and Gangrel curse in him as well as having an unholy aura… what is even remotely sexy about him?>ST insinuated that perhaps the reason Asenath tried to forcefully learn Vicissitude out of Mathilda was so she could grow Shark a dick and balls>Shark chose to repress such thoughts>Shark then decided to warn Rasputin, because this whole situation could put the whole mission in jeopardy>He was let inside his private sanctum and he told the mad monk the content of the letter>Rasputin replied that he expected it to happen, and we have to thread carefully>The setites would “assist” us in defeating the assassins, but the snakes would barely lend us any aid>They would just send their warriors to finish off the survivors and recover their god>Though if we plainly refuse their help, in the eyes of the camarilla we would be perceived as invaders (because we were, and also we were still pretending to be camarilla) and we would get a whole clan on their home turf + an entire sect against us>So he agreed to us meeting her, and Shark suggested that he uses his koldunism to keep an eye and ear on our group>With the matter settled Shark was on his way out when he remembered something
https://therpggazette.wordpress.com/2026/08/09/from-the-giants-shoulders-1-satyros-phil-brucato/are you hyped for m6 magebros? maybe good ol' Phil "Do NOT turn into a 9ft killing machine in the service of the wyrm, that is BAD, NOT SUPER COOL and not aspirational!!" Brucato will be coming back?
>>98481641>t.gerontocrat
>>98481667"You see, Drumpf and Elon Musk are basically exactly like the baby-eating child sacrificing zero goodness supervillain mages I made up in my book". Preceded by the statement "most villains think they are doing good."Holy fucking kek.
>>98481696>"You see, Drumpf and Elon Musk are basically exactly like the baby-eating child sacrificing zero goodness supervillain mages I made up in my book"Where's the lie though
>>98481641>Would you let a child vote on how the world is run?With that logic we might as well call up the vampires and let them decide how things should go.
>>98481717If Trump is not the head of the Nephandi (accidently making him seem extremely badass) I am not buying m6.What magic does he cast? Mind controlling the sheepish republican masses? Will Trump Sith forcezap you if you don't call it the Gulf of America? Is he going to call a Meteor down on some third world nation for not adjusting the trade deficit how he likes?
>>98481653>The night before, Shark, Mathilda and Catalina had a vision>We were in other people’s bodies, and we just received an invitation by our daddy Cappadocius to attend a feast at our ancestral mountain home>We were then locked inside, and became increasingly hungry>And everything went red>We started eating each other, and being eaten, then relived the experience in someone else’s body, and it happened again and again, and it only stopped when only one person was left standing>Out of 1200+ souls only one, Anubis, came out of that Feast of Folly>And the event left him utterly insane>So Shark with a tad of embarrassment asked if Rasputin believes in prophetic visions>He said that of course he believes in them>Shark asked if they should listen to such prophecy if one were to have one>The mad monk answered that it would be wise, otherwise great catastrophe would happen to those concerned and everyone around them>Shark went “Oh thank God” and quickly explains the vision he and his friends had>Anubis was currently utterly insane. He has over a thousand souls fighting for control of his body, and his own soul has been fragmented so even if he could dominate the lot he’s probably too crazy to actually help out>It’s rich coming from Shark, but that guy is too feral for the Sabbat>Rasputin tried to play it off with once he awaken Anubis, the fragment of his soul will point out where to find the rest of him and restore him to his full glory>Once whole he’ll be so grateful to the Sabbat, and so hateful towards Cappadocius and the other antideluvians, that he’ll immediately join the jihad and crush the camarilla>Shark pointed out that Anubis soul fragment is too weak to emerge on its own. And too lunatic to answer coherently even with malkavians in our group to translate>It wouldn’t be of any help to find the rest of him>It’s more likely the other souls inside him, some who were methusalah too, emerge and manipulate us all, or kill us
What do you think are the best weapons that could be reliably used by any splat if they managed to get their hands on it somehow?It's fine if it is very difficult or expensive to acquire as an initial investment as long as the regular operation is better.So something like a giant gun that requires superhuman strength would be fine because there are plenty of ways to attain that superhuman strength, or a fetish that can be used by anyone once created, but if you need to ghoul yourself to fuel a weapon that require vitae or need regular upkeep with ItX to clear your cyborg arm of Paradox it'd be an issue.
>>98481751Probably that one gun with a hilarious number of shots from Book of the Weaver that's sold on the open market.
>>98481751The best weapons are artifacts, treasures, fetishes and so on with some busted effect which can be used by anyone, though I'm not sure that's what you meant. Examples are the Sword of Mars, That Vamp Sword which steals disciplines and gives them to the wielder, a changeling treasure with quicksilver and so on.
>>98481770what is that good for? you are still splitting your dicepool. An ordinary sword has no restriction on firerate. If you care about range there is a lot of ways to turn a sword able to slash at range or range simply irrelevant(it usually is anyways)
>>98481734>Rasputin lost his shit when shown the very big hole in his plan and how even destiny is against him>He took his horrid form and was about to destroy Shark right where he stood>Shark was quite intimidated, but with his 10 willpower he told Rasputin to chill>He wouldn’t be there telling him about all that stuff if he didn’t support his plan and wanted to help him>If Rasputin’s has 110% chances of success, maybe Anubis might reduce the odds to 90%>Shark just want to give the extra 10% that’s left>Rasputin calmed down and thanked Shark for his concern, but assured him that he got a team of specialists to take care of Anubis’ mind>So after telling what happened to Catalina we went on our way to recruit people to join us with visiting the High Priestess of Set>Catalina managed to recruit a revenant nazi commander and his troops, as well as some of the kindred that were assigned to accompany us>She also recruited two mercenaries, elders who hunt all types of feras on the regular to follow us>Shark tried to recruit Karl, a gas mask wearing, double sword wielding, nazi True Brujah (he was with us when Clio joined our coterie)… but with no success>He did told Shark that if anything happens he’ll be there in the hour>Shark affirmed that Karl was indeed very fast. His celerity was quite impressive. Way better than what Shark has>Karl was staring daggers into Shark, on the verge of frenzying and tried to intimidate Shark but failed his roll>Shark went away smiling with a double thumbs up, happy to have made a new friend>Karl tried to cope by repeating endlessly that Shark is too stupid to have intentionally mean what he said
>>98481786Hitting up to 25 times in a turn is a pretty big deal for whatever poor sod is on the receiving end of all those shots.
>>98481846do you have 25 dice to split? why not just hit with a sword 25 times?
>>98481861>I have to split dice for every bullet while aiming at the same target with full auto
>>98481866Yep that is how the rules work. If you are making 25 different attacks, which is the unique thing this gun allows you to do according to the rules.Full auto adds 10 dice and increases difficulty by 2 and can be done with a normal assault rifle just as well.
>>98481819I’m gonna cut short the exchange between the High Priestess and us here because I think I failed to make my stories shorter. Also Mathilda was summoned with Presence. So basically:>The High Priestess tried to play good host and invited us to chose what we would like to drink>Shark stunned her by saying he wanted to diablerize one of her own>After refusing she asked us if we could deliver Anubis to her after freeing him>Only her clan could heal his mind>Catalina noticed that the elders in our gang knew that Anubis was currently too insane to control, but still chose to obey Rasputin>Some were starting to agree with handing over the guy>The High Priestess was about to pressure us further with her guards and pet gargoyle, but one of Catalina’s mercenaries stepped up. Her name is Argenta>She basically berated the setite and boss bitch everyone around>We also learned that the setite was over 2000 years old, and so was she>The High Priestess wasn’t fund of losing almost all her assets in a vain attempt to stop us, so she let us go>Argenta told us we owe her one and went her separate ways with her friend Malik>We interrogated Mathilda and found out what the Assamites did to her. We had to forcefully strip her naked in front of everyone to see marks left by the assassins and confirm her dreams weren’t dreams (they injected acid on her spine that stripped her of a permanent point of stamina)>Shark managed to find their hideout with the help of rats he summoned (and wererats kinfolks, looking like disgusting bloated mutants)>We ordered our nazi troops to exterminate them during the day, but if possible they could stake them so Shark could finally have a proper meal>Catalina now forces Mathilda to share a bed with her. She won’t be let out of her sight until they are back homeAnd that’s all!
>>98481893Honestly kind of surprised Malthida's player is still playing after that.
>>98481893Thank you for the story, Shark. I missed your weekly tales.
>>98481418Yay! Egypt shenanigans have begun! I wonder if the visions were from The Dreaming Lord? "Behold! This insane thing is what you're trying to recover. It isn't of any use to you in its current state, so just hand it over to us."
>>98481546Thanks a lot! Your post is my highlight of this thread>>98481911Yeah reduced to two permanent willpower, I told him that if it was to happen to Shark I would probably have switched character by now. Especially since he wants to spend exp to regain some of the willpower he lost. I’m really not a fan of spending exp to buy back things you lost/gain in game. Like a ST giving you a flaw for free after chargen>>98481938So do II knew that the fun times with Mathilda were back when the goat was involved lol
>>98473548Second edition cross splat westmarches beta test still looking for some people willing to give it a go. Conscript has been going good since the last time I posted, thanks for all of y’all who joined. a quick rundown on what conscript is, conscript is a west marches multiply old world of darkness game where every session is a non committal episodic one shot with elements and themes that continue throughout playtime. Every splat is aimed to be playable in one way or another. If anyone is interested in rolling dice with us feel free to join. https://discord.gg/G9994FSchw
>>98481986second edition? interesting choice. Why?
>>98481982Honestly, the willpower is a big deal, but then losing extra attributes on top of that seems unnecessarily harsh. Punishing the player for losing. And then literally taking a shit on him, that's just making it clear that you don't like him as a person. That's the point I'd fuck off from the table.
Oh yeah, some details and a fun bit I forgot to say.>Argenta has a garou made fetish>It’s a gun that shoots dragon breath rounds>While she was berating the Head Priestess she openly mocked Set in front of the whole cult>Telling the snakes that they should pray to their “god” using his real name. Perhaps he’ll answer for once lol>All the cultists were absolutely livid>Shark found it absolutely funny and did finger guns of approval to Argenta>She pointed her finger to Shark and said BANG!>Out of nowhere a huge hole appeared on Shark’s torso, he took 4 lethal and was out of commission>Argenta replied that only she gets to have fun here>Right before leaving the High Priestess tried to have us answer one last time with yes or no if we intend to deliver Anubis to her>Shark is a poor liar, so he asked her to speak up because he has a hole in his chest>She mind controlled Shark into believing there was no hole>Shark defaulted into playing retarded as to not give her an answer and started picking his nose with his tongue like Stitch>The High Priestess had enough and let them go>>98481971I don’t know who that is. I figure that it’s because we have the sprit of the White Howler with us. Since Anubis stole his body>>98482014The lost of stamina was only for a night. The dice were in his favour. But the player should have known to not wonder alone in openly known enemy territory. Especially when you can barely fend for yourself
>>98482014Also the permanent loss of willpower was always the player’s choice. They burned it to roll with willpower when they had 0 temporary left. And it saved their life a few times.
>>98482042I have to ask, what is the deal with Mathilda's player? I can be pretty masochistic with characters but its like he goes out of his way to get fucked up. Even the "imma just blow my brains out" bit had me scratching my head.
>>98475980Sad there isn't a Rokea Gift for this
>>98482084Oof… I asked about that today.He said that as a player he isn’t used to thinking about his actions and even plan stuff. In previous groups he had always listen and obeyed to what the other players said, and he let them deal with the consequences of his own actions when something wrong happened. Kinda like how Shark always had to bail Mathilda out.Basically he lacks independence and critical thinking. That’s why Catalina’s player is trying to drill how to properly be a sabbat member into him. Because irl he acts like a non-ravenous shovelhead.
>the very first publication of VtM marks 1e>then they had revisions of a bunch of shit, that's 2e>then nWoD, Requiem and all that, was 3e>Chronicles/God-Machine was 4e>...20th Anniversary edition isn't 5e?
>>98482140No, retard. VtR is a different game. 20th is 4e, and there is no VtM 5e.
>>98482158So there were actually three different editions of VtM, all before nWoD?
>>98482172Yes. 1e, 2e, revised is 3e, then nWoD came with VtR 1e, CofD with VtR 2e, and then back to VtM for 20th anniversary as VtM 4e, and then they dropped both WoD and CofD to make V5, which they eventually admitted was a different game and setting using the old names for marketing purposes.
>>98482177To be more accurate, 20th was an Onyx Path project, while 5E is entirely Paradox's thing after they bought the IP package from CCP (Eve Online devs who bought White Wolf).
>>98481986Huh? WoD West Marches? Wtf? Care to elaborate anon?
>>98482130>he lacks independence and critical thinking.Really not beating the shovelhead allegations. Im surprised he didnt go with more of a brute concept if his playstyle is more along simpler lines. He seems like a good sport at least. Ill take that over players that have to win all the time and get upset if anything bad happens to their character. Hopefully he will improve.
>>98482362I like that he’s opened to the idea of improving!
>>98482177>>98482244To be even more accurate, V20 was never meant to be a 4th edition. It was a love letter to VtM with all the stuff in one place. It got successful so Onyx Path started working on actual 4th edition. Then Paradox came in, cancelled the 4th edition that OPP worked on and made a new one naming in V5 while retroactively namig V20 4th edition.
>>98481993Second edition rules and lore are cool, revised and 20th kinda get a little too metaplot heavy for my own taste mummy 2e is kino too. I also prefer mage second edition magic rules. It’s probably because second edition was my first experience with wod that I’ve settled to exclusively run second edition stuffs with revised and twentieth elements where I see fit for games just personal preference. I also like house goratrix>>98482324Can’t tell if you are asking what west marches is or why west marches West marches is a way to play ttrpgs. West marches makes it easy to schedule things for players with wildly conflicting schedules and makes playing games less of a headache. Being non committal and a rotating cast of characters makes it easy for people to pop in and out of game without pressure or specific dates.
>>98482177Putting it like this kinda makes Paradox seem incompetent. OWoD existed for like 12 years in its first iteration, in which time they made like 7 gamelines and 3 editions. NWoD released 5 games in 3 years when it was first created. Compared to that, Paradox took 4 years to release H5 after V5, and they only got around to 3 games before starting the new edition, 8 years after V5.
>>98482417>To be even more accurate, V20 was never meant to be a 4th edition.Intent is irrelevant to the reality. Revised was always considered 3rd edition, and V20 was always considered a 4th edition.People desperately need to understand that reality is not handed down by legal documents and marketing departments.>>98482158>there is no VtM 5eYes there is. V5 is VtM 5e. It just happens to take place in a different setting, as retarded as that is.
>>98482488>revised and 20th kinda get a little too metaplot heavyV20 is deliberately and explicitly metaplot-agnostic precisely because VR went off the rails in that regard. V20 provides extra rules just to be able to deal with the metashittery. I honestly have no idea what you're talking about.
>>98482527>People desperately need to understand that reality is not handed down by legal documents and marketing departments.This kills the Syndicate.
>>98473648Changing the lost but the real True Fae is humans who hate you for being LGBQIA+
>>98481986>cross splatDon't do that. Never do that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YwaFBS4DPUThis is just my CTL character and DTR character.>Wants to feel pretty because she was made into her Keeper's personal dungeon monster, and wants to not feel scary.>Just vibing in spite of having a supernatural parasite in his chest
>>9848253220th edition changes plenty of things from second edition Gangrel clan curse being nerfed to a minor downside at bestBotches being changed to be incredibly hard to ever see. Cringe true black hand Enoch lore Random changes to the changing breeds like making rokea not bio immortal for some reason(immortality never comes up unless you are running a dark ages throughout the ages sort of long chronicle)Sticking with week of nightmares lore changes avatar storm nonsense that were only introduced to end the franchise(this is optional however its consequences are still written into the game line in a lot of places) Changing how specialties work(they are optional in the sense of the word everything is) Keeping the major overhauls to true magic revised started down. Sticking with house goratrix being dead A random celerity buff and potence nerf (I have no idea why they did that last one) I can think of several other nit picks probably plenty of wod boomers before myself have posted on forums ten+ years ago. I actually quite like the changes to thamaturgy and the additional fetishes powers and paths the books give access too it’s why when I run second I keep the 20th changes to thamaturgy and necromancy. 20th isn’t all bad especially when you grew up on the stuff but it does attract a lot of rules lawyering secondary wod fan plebbiters who forget the golden rule or perhaps grew up perpetually reading the wiki and have an arbitrary idea on how >the game should be ran Not all obviously, and 20th is still obviously a proper world of darkness edition. These flaws are also present in revised aswell. Is second flawless absolutely not however it’s the edition I prefer for my own arbitrary reasons for that I’d say it’s my favorite edition and the only edition I’ll probably ever run other then revised.
>>98481261You know what's funny? No one making the 1st Edition Mage expected the Technocracy to be popular. Since they made them so cartoonishly evil.But the Traditions were still less liked than the TechnocracySo both got whitewashed.
>>98482705>(I have no idea why they did that last one)Isn't Potence notoriously the weakest of the three physical disciplines? Why nerf it?
>>98482708I donno ask the 20th devs The edition I run it gives guaranteed strength successes on all strength rolls including damage Pic related is the second edition Potance rules from the book I own :^)
>>98481729>Even considering giving reality deviants any rightsObvious traditionalist
>>98482707It's not about how evil Technocracy seems, people just noticed the writers' biases. 1st edition has a whole rant about how technology is bad because it makes life too easy for normies, there's too much equality in modernity, etc., it was just so obviously reactionary (in the real sense of the word, not the commie definition).
>>98482707I don't think the traditions were ever less liked than the technocracy. What are you using to back this claim up?
>>98482763>1st edition has a whole rant about how technology is bad because it makes life too easy for normies, there's too much equality in modernity, etcAn in-character rant or an author rant? Because IIRC the Weaver book had one where they argue against the luddite allegations.
>>98482140This is how White Wolf keeps track according to the v6 alpha feedback form. I guess they lump Chronicles 1e and 2e together, but that's it.
>>98482843Fuck
average WASP mage
>Noah Campeau, “Harbinger of the Machine”, Therianthrope Designate: Felidae>Campeau is a self-styled DJ on Soundcloud and a social media influencer or “memelord”. While the New World Order is fascinated with his particular techniques to inspire additional media-focused influence through the manipulations of EDEs, Campeau is more likely to be interested in working with Iteration X, expressing a distinct interest in transhumanist philosophies. Although his public personality focuses on social media, he is an expert at data encryption and phishing schemes. (Missive from Cpl. Beatriz Ruiz-Hobi, Void Engineer: Do /not/ engage with this RD. He has no interest in working within the Precepts and only wants to bring about the works of a dangerous EDE designated [Error: Comms unstable.])I'm almost tempted to count this as another example of the Technocracy getting catfished.
>>98482850>chinese "Muh Sonic" lodgeLet me guess, secret Winnie Pooh's counterfeight-making sweatshop, specialized in japanese media?
>>98482875The Union has fallen...billions must reinstate the pogrom
>>98482875>calls himself the harbinger of one of the Weaver's three incarna>Technocracy don't catch this massive hint about his allegiancesCutting Spirit from the general curriculum really bit them in the ass
>>98482875If I was gonna do Werecat Influencer I would at least make sure that whatever influencer scheme they run is actively stated to be some sort of gaian scheme. Like convincing etsy witches to bomb pipelines or other such things. Or otherwise using their influence to do shit. Phishing in this case is good but it's kind of disconnected from bein gan Influencer and it should be hinted at what he phishes for. Like Pentex Higher Ups for juicy corporate secrets he feeds to an intelligence network.I think it's important for characters like this to tie back to their Fera nature and make it clear that these creatures have a goal (serving gaia). They just happen to do it in a particularly insiduous way.
Part of me wonders what a Slasher game would be like.Slasher: The Massacre
>>98482898they'll somehow make them the good guys
>>98482896Anon, he's clearly serving the weaver. He might even be a drone
>>98481696The worst part of everyone like this getting soulkilled in 2016 is just how lame and boring this is.How are you supposed to take Elon Musk as one of the most evil people on earth seriously, he's a fat fucking losing who spends all day crying on twitter after he bought it.
>>98482771Ever?It's been like that since forever. You can even look at the kickstarter numbers if you want. Even Brucato said the same.
>>98482906Eh..? Sounds just like a glasswalker cat to me. Even then that just means you should imply something sinister. A drone isn't a fucking "memelord". And being an influencer is more of a creative thing rather than a technology thing. Technology is just the medium.The only thing that even implies it is the ominous title and the transhumanism.
>>98482898Like this.
>>98482927Are you pretending you can't see the emergency transmission from the Void Engineer?>He has no interest in working within the Precepts and only wants to bring about the works of a dangerous EDE designated [Error: Comms unstable.])
>>98482835It's not in-character, it's part of the chapter on the setting, where other parts are clearly from a real world viewpoint, mentioning "World of Darkness", etc.
>>98482931>Cassie: A slasher. It's a type of undead, I guess... sort of like a vampire or a zombie. They're so full of anger that they don't wanna die. They hate love, youth, sex... things they miss, from life. All I know for sure is that they're mean and hard to kill.>Kyle: How do you know all this?>Cassie: Because, I'm Cassie Hack. I'm mean, I'm hard to kill, and I hunt slashers.Undead killing undead? That's more of a Sabbat game
>>98482705How were botches made to be incredibly hard to see? To my knowledge botches work the same they did in earlier editions right? The only thing i could never be sure about is if you had to fail and then have a 1 to botch or if you just need to have enough 1s to fail and effectively get -1 success or something.
>>98482959That all surrounds heroic which ties in decently with the first mage book portraying the Technocracy as heroic pre-1850
>>98482705to be fair the true black hand book as shit as it is and it is i done enough rants on here about how the book and it's world building regardless of quality does not hold up to scrutiny like even the shit parts don't even fit ... nvm. it does say that it's optional and not 100% canon
>>98483034There's only so far you can polish a turd after all.
>>98481641The sleepers aren’t children, they’re just, well, asleep
>>98483042Not that it stops basically every mage on either side from treating them as cattle to be steered.
Today I will be autistic and write a story about a guy who dies and is reborn as a changing breed.He will be a special boy.No, you don't get to read it yet but you can tell me how stupid my idea is and how cringe I am.
>>98483050Why do I feel like this is kink play for you?
>>98483051If I don't put in my fetishes somehow then what's the point?
>>98483053I meant the part where you wanted everybody to come together and insult you.
>>98483050I mean, sounds fine? That's like, half the YA novels and web novels.It also sounds way better than getting infected by Madness Plague to become a Ratkin.
>>98483054Oh that, no that was just me pre-emptively preparing for getting insulted. This is 4chan after all.
>>98483035it also feels like they had a order of moloch book and a true black hand book and just hastily threw them togetherlike what do you mean ALL old clan members of the true black hand been also members of a seperate sect with half the baali for 600 years and nobody noticed and this is not seen as any sort of issue by the sect of infernalist hunters?
>>98481584This is what a lot of Traditional mages are aiming for. Enlighten as many of the Sleepers as possible and try to guide them towards Awakening if they're willing, with mass Ascension as the final goal, so that everyone can manifest their own dream for the universe. There are some exceptions to this, some mages who value empowering themselves or their gods over empowering the masses, but Ascension for everyone is generally treated as the common goal that unites the Council of Nine.While the Technocracy have been white-washed into having a lot of mass Ascension advocates too, their primary objective is maintaining absolute control over humanity with the intention of keeping humanity safe because they know best. They believe that mass Ascension will occur when they've achieved absolute utopia for everyone and all they need to do is stick to the timetable, obey their betters and it will surely happen.
>>98482771You probably never saw all the debates on Traditions then.Lets just say, Traditions have some heavy baggage
>>98483132Genuinely not sure what they were thinking with that one.
>>98483132>>98483136at least most vampirefags don't cry and shit their pants when they realize they're playing world of darkness. "Wait.. this is a horror setting where every institution is fully of edge??? OH MY CORPORATE SAFETY TEAM SAVE ME"
>>98483145Thing is mage wasn't set up as every institution sucking equally at first which makes stuff like the Verbena actively betraying humanity baffling to add.
>>98483132tbf more Traditions should have openly amoral elements stemming from how wildly their Paradigms diverge from mundane society.Like the whole point of Nephandi being exclusively fully self-aware evil mages and Marauders being exclusive buttfuck insane is that a Mage doesn't need to be either to commit atrocities.
>>98483145What does that have to do with anything? People asked why Traditions were less liked even in 1st Edition, I gave my answer.(Also, have you seen the newfags? I fucking hate hearing the same questions about Tzimisce. Half of them are asking if it is possible to be trans with it. And not realizing Viccisitude is incredibly painful and traumatic.)
>>98483149you have to remember where this comes from this is a bit from a werewolf book it's a exact demonstration why when talking about crossovers the books say that both the metaphysics and -themes- change between games
>>98483145Vampires are weirdly immune to the pearl-clutching "oh my god this faction did bad things in the past how could i possibly ever sympathise with this faction and how could anyone ever see them as anything other than monsters who need to be exterminated" treatment that werewolves and mages get, even though Cainites throughout history are probably responsible for just as much death as the Garou if not more, and certainly responsible for way more suffering than all of the Traditions combined.
>>98483149I thought it was "Traditions are bad enlightened autocrats and the Technocracy is big brother x1000, only your cabal is the shining spot of hope in a world of darkness" yknow, like most other wod games?>>98483151The point is that you should assume factions to be malevolent to a degree.
>>98483136eh, Verbena are lunatics and there is a reason no one likes them
>>98483172Is that some brucato shit?
>>98483176Maybe, he was the developer and Verbena is one of his favorites
>>98483176the Verbena are his faction. he designed the tradition. he wrote their tradition book, their bit in sorcerer crusade etcit's kinda weird that his self insert is then a order of hermes mage i admit but the verbena are 100% his oc donut steal canon magic cult
>>98483184>>98483185That retard is a fucking cancer. I hope he comes back for M6.
>>98483172>the verbena are fucking crazy for performing sex magic and human sacrifice in order to save their villages from starvation>is that a syndicate mage working his employees to death and raping the energy from them in order to farm quintessence? based
>>98483196They're even doing that shit with social media now according to M20.
