>>98789067
>Posting one of the worst thiefs games
Time to rape correct the bakeslave.

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>Vampires enforce the Masquerade because if you break it, the Inquisition will kill you
>But the Inquisition is itself controlled by vampires and used to get rid of rival vampires
>So the entire Masquerade is just vampires hiding from other vampires

>>98789107
The SI is controlled by either the Celestial Choir or the Technocracy, depending on the ST.

>>98789131
Not in Vampire the Masquerade.

>>98789143
It's all one universe.

>>98789131
Why would mages even care about the existence of vampires

>>98789147
Ask the Technocracy why they've spend the past few centuries pushing all as many magical creatures outside consensus as they can. They did it to dragons, angels, and most fey. The other splats are all that's left.

>>98789169
I mean technically dragons still exist, they’re just Beasts. WoD has that “Supernatural” thing going on where all the monsters of mythology just look like humans 99% of the time.

>>98789146
Whatever game you're playing prioritises itself and deprioritises other games.

Vampire the Masquerade focuses on the Inquisition as a product of vampires manipulating humanity that exploded out of control and does not explore it as something controlled by the Celestial Choir or the Technocracy.
Mage the Ascension focuses on the Inquisition as a product of the Celestial Chorus that backfired dramatically against them and became one of the greatest weapons of the Order of Reason at the time and does not explore it as a product of vampiric manipulation.

Someone talking about Vampire the Masquerade and playing Vampire the Masquerade has no reason to give a fuck about anything that Mage the Ascension says, unless they want to. Vice versa.

>>98789188
>unless they want to
Ah, it all falls apart for you here. I want to. For me, it's an everyone is right mentality. It's mages and vampires. The mages just make more sense to be above the vampires.

>hunter goes werewolf hunting with bfg
>werewolf uses gun-disabling gift
>hunter grabs a big rock and bashes werewolf in the face
>werewolf dies because genuinely wasn't expecting that

>>98789188
I think the general implication is that Mages control the technology and culture of humanity, vampires control the politics and economics of humanity, and they both split the various branches of the military between them

>>98789195
Cool, you do you. But if someone's just talking about vampires and isn't talking about mages, it's best not to assume that they give a shit about mages.

How well do yeren compare to werewolves? I mean, they're weregorillas, no?

>>98789185
There's the in universe take that only those who could side amongst humanity or avoid them entirely managed to survive to the modern era.
Dragons are one of those monsters where the real myth can be rather boring.

>>98789185
I mean monsters of mythology looking like monsters are also the thing, it's just that they only really exist in the Umbra because the Consensus locks them out of the physical reality.

>>98789199
>hunter goes werewolf hunting with bfg
>werewolf uses gun-disabling gift
>hunter grabs a big rock and bashes werewolf in the face
>even if the hunter somehow does enough damage with the big rock to incapacitate the werewolf, the werewolf gets to frenzy to stay active and regenerate most of the damage that was just done
>hunter needs to survive a turn of a frenzied werewolf in close quarters and do enough damage a second time to actually kill them in which case they're so insanely effective in close quarters combat that they must have been retarded to waste their time on a bfg in the first place
fixed that for you

>>98789240
>hunter still kills werewolf
>another werewolf comes and bashes THEM with a rock
>another hunter comes with another rock
>rinse and repeat until they run out of rocks
fixed it for you

>>98789137

Order of Hermes (into Orphan?) was thought up because of the character taking inspiration from the main character of 'I Hate Fairyland' in which the main character is a jaded adult still stuck in a magical realm. Order of Hermes would be (one of) the driving force(s) behind the character becoming jaded and cynical. At most the Hermetic background would be a very short time.
Though numbers-wise Orphan and Hermetic wouldn't really differ, I think.

As for Spheres and Arete, we decided to start off with Arete at 2. Spheres I was thinking of taking would be Correspondence 1, Forces 1, Life 1, Prime 2, and Spirit 1.
I do feel like I've spread out myself too thin here. Maybe move Correspondence 1 to either Forces of Life?

I also took the Merits of Familiar and Avatar, both at 2 dots, and Talisman sitting at 4 dots.
Familiar would be a big part in dealing with Paradox, I think.

Also, cute picture.

>>98789131
>The SI
How retarded you must be to bring this disgusting fanfic garbage that was already retconned out of reality by the same shitty writings that brought it? When people talk about the inquisition they're talking about the "actual" inquisition that existed in real life and in old wod lore. Not to the fascist dogwhistle of Achili and his cronies.

>>98789220
Let's take a look...

>Yeren Rules
>Crinos: In Crinos form, Yeren have Strength +3, Dexterity +2, Stamina +2, Appearance –3, and Athletics +2. The character gains a bite and claw attack like Garou, but these inflict lethal rather than aggravated damage. Witnessing a Yeren in Crinos form induces the Delirium in humans.

>The Yeren learn homid gifts and have begun to develop their own unique repertoire, although no Yeren has as of yet advanced beyond Rank Three.

>Crinos Stats
Statics Adjustment: Strength +4, Dexterity +1, Stamina +3, Manipulation 0, Appearance 0
Manipulation -3 (First and Second Edition)
Shift Difficulty: 6
Size: Grows in in height by half and add 100% - 200% the Glabro Form weight
Notes: The Form incite Delirium in humans

They look like a utility sidegrade but I'm probably missing something important that can't be supplemented with a level 2-3 fetish (mainly the way they lack aggravated damage)

So what’s Pentecostalism supposed to be? Traditions mages trying to re-instill the power of True Faith in mortals?

>>98789265
>How retarded you must be to bring this disgusting fanfic garbage that was already retconned out of reality by the same shitty writings that brought it?
Retarded enough to have nothing else to spin a yarn with or at least retarded enough to find them interesting in like Christian larper.

I'm not gonna lie and say that I'm too good to have those guys in my games but there really isn't a good way to phrase "here's my antagonist, a shooter that got manipulated by the CIA into targeting their enemies who may or may not be vampires" for the fuckteenth time.

>>98789254
what version of the world of darkness is this where your average hunter is capable of killing a werewolf with a rock

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>>98789265
How dare you talk about the world of darkness in the world of darkness thread! It's like you're some kind of world of darkness fan! Only a truly sick fuck would actually want to post about world of darkness in the world of darkness thread.

>>98789276
Could also be Brujah trying to have their own home-grown inquisition to counter the Camilla’s

>>98789276
Secretly controlled by the Bhalii

>>98789276
Subfaction of the Celestial Chorus with similar theological doctrine. Some of them are actually religious Ecstatics like fundamental Mormons but you didn't hear that from me.

>>98789293
The SI is not Christian. Their main weapon was never true faith, unlike actual inquisitors.

>>98789298
it's caines rock which deals 20 agg, if one hunter dies the next picks it up

>>98789276
All modern Protestant movements are ploys by the Technocracy to weaken the Choir's influence. Just like how neo-pagan witches blending pantheons and doing trendy rituals from tiktok aren't true Verbena.

>>98789300
According to the same shitty writers who made them, the SI is not wod anymore. Just like every piece of shitty lore imagined in the last 20 years.

>>98789317
not silver so werewolves get to soak it

>>98789327
It wasn't retconned, it just ended.

>>98789329
you won't soak 20 hl, not with any real werewolf build you bring to a table without the ST killing you where you stand

>>98789315
>Vatican backed operations
>Not Christian
Sure sure.

>>98789320
Nah, would be the other way around if anything, Catholicism generally adopts a very rationalist view of miracles and tends to downplay them if anything, modern Catholicism is much more of a friendly enlightenment-inspired religion. Protestantism, but Evangelicalism and especially Pentecostalism in particular, is much more inspired by emotional and Romanticism, the whole “everyone can do miracles” schtick with proof not really being required being much more up the Tradition’s schtick.

>>98789339
this is a theoretical white room table where there are endless hunters picking up endless caine's rocks to pummel endless werewolves to death
what happens at a real table does not apply

>>98789350
It's more like the Catholics can't afford to label something normal as a miracle without losing more credibility for a whole lot of nothing.

>>98789306
Blessed are the meek, for they shall starve quietly.

>>98789350
Catholics are trying to avoid paradox. The Technocracy don't give a shit if their apprenticeship blow up. Just hire 50,000 more.

>>98789372
I mean the general MO of the Catholic Church today is to be as appealing to normies as possible. Cathedrals are expensive to maintain and they can’t rely on the funds of tradcaths to maintain them so the Church has adopted a sort of hybrid role as museum, cultural influencer, and religion. Even if you don’t believe in God a significant enough portion of people are still “cultural catholics” to keep things going even if many of the churches are empty most days.

>>98789391
But the technocracy doesn’t want to break consensus reality. It Pentecostals were a small fringe movement that would be one thing but there’s 650 million members of the Charismatic movement now, that’s not “test subjects”, that’s pushing the Overton window on consensus reality (the consensus window?)

Pentacostals broke from Protestants
Protestants broke from Catholics
Catholics broke from Eastern Orthodoxists
Eastern Orthodoxists broke from Miaphysitists or Non-Chalcedonians.
So, they are the true Choir.

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>>98788341
>I want my character to be a mage LARPing as a magical girl, their paradigm a mixture of magical girl media (and hermeticism).
You will probably be an Orphan but I can imagine everything from "Everything is Good!" to "God-Bonding" for a magical girl. Add merits like Inner Knight, Destiny and Blessing and you would have a fun character

>>98789418
They broke from the Jewish faith all together.
Which broke from Jewish pre-monotheist faiths.
So, the Verbena are the true Choir.

>>98789418
Choristers dont care, they are the biggest unity fags to the point they are using BCE to date their texts because some of their members are not believing in Jesus.

>>98789418
Technically there was an ancient Roman version of Pentecostalism too known as the Montanists, but they got suppressed by the official Roman church that would later split into the Catholics and Orthodoxy.

>>98789431
What were ancient romans doing in montana ?

>>98789262
Yeah, you are spread a bit too wide. LVL 1 in a sphere basically amounts to fuck all, its a level where you can detect things (seeing ghosts etc) but you cant actually do much with it, unless you are comboing your spells hardcore or need that one dot to meet faction requirements.
Lvl 3 is the point where you can do the stuff you expect you should be able to do, like shoot fireballs.

>>98789461
What would you recommend? We are all starting with Arete 2.

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>>98789427
>the system the whole world has been using for decades

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>>98789474
nta but unless your ST will fuck with you, it isn't necessry to minmax or think too much about choices beyond what you enjoy.

I suggest thinking about what do you want your character to be able to do in like...Session 10. Do you want her to be able to wield element, fuck with gravity, or energy? Get Forces higher.
Want her to me master of chance, fate, destiny? Find weak points and deal with death and the underworld? Entropy.
Etc etc.

Personally, for me Magical Girls means big energy beams, emotions and defying fate. So Forces, Mind, Prime and Entropy would be my suggestions.
Forces for all the energywork (including transforming stuff like emotions into power), Mind for the emotional side, Prime for all the magical enchanting and talisman creation and Quintessence storage and Entropy for chance manipulation and "lucky", defying fate stuff.

So what actually is the order of most to least shitty lives? I understand that Hunters are at the bottom and Mages are at the top, but how would you organize the middle?

>>98789511
>Mages
>Vampires
>Changelings
>Werewolves
>Hunters
>Promethean

>>98789474
What do you want the character be able to do mainly, what would be abilities nice to have? Most spheres start to get really good at 3.

Also consider that you have to pay for the familiar in quintessence, so may need a node or something.

>>98789010
Eh, that's fine. Sleepers aren't people anyway.

>>98789511
Least shitty?
Mage: You are human+potential cosmic power. No inherent drawback unless you seek danger/attention.
Mummy: Immortal with no inherent drawback. Only reason they are below Mage is because they can't reach the high of ultimate comfort that Mages can.
Changelings: Banality is dangerous and your own inclinations might be inconvenient, but it is balanced by the fact that you are still a Fae. Just stay away from offices, schools and hospitals if you aren't a Grump.
Vampire: We all know it. The Beast, the Curses, the drawbacks and the positives.
Hunters: Everybody would think you are crazy. You are facing low odds of survival every time you attempt hunting and you will most likely die in a painful way. But you can always stop.
Werewolves: Positives, you are a murder blender with spirit support. You have a huge support network. Negatives, you are a warrior for the fate of Gaia, on the losing side, and you will most likely die before you are middle aged and there is no turning back without being alone in World of Darkness.
Imbued Hunters: Werewolf but you aren't a murder blender until the Extremist stage and there is no huge support network. Plus the inherent derangements the stronger you are.
Kuei-jin: You literally suffered in Hell and had to escape it in the first place to become a Kuei-jin. Unlike Cainites, the moment you die, you are going to the Yama Kings unless you enlighten.
Wraiths: You are already dead and unlike most dead people, you are stuck as a Wraith. You fate is most likely to be Soulforged or fall into the Oblivion. Very slim chances of transcending.

>>98789573
Basically what I want are the "love love beam" attacks with flying/levitating and such. I would assume my character's Talisman 4 would help with all this.

I have Node 1 so the familiar is taken care of that way.

>>98789594
t. three weeks from walking into a caul or going full marauder

>>98789070
I was thinking of Thi4f the other day. Before Splinter Cell shat the bed with that early 2010s game there were actually stealth games from big developers other than Hitman. After that and Thi4f, stealth basicaly died as genre for big devs other than Hitman

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>>98789634
nta but sounds like you will specilize in Forces and Mind, with Prime mainly.
I also suggest talking with ST for chants as a focus. Since Chants can be important shit like that

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>>98789070
>>98789665
Shitty game yeah but I've seen the cover used as a meme a few times. Using the other covers would probably be less obvious as anything other than a direct reference.

>TQ
Heat anyone?

>>98789645
>Caul is...le bad
Suffering build character, son.

>>98789474
Swapping Correspondence to Forces is a good idea, yeah. You can use a lot of different spheres to achieve the same or similiar effect, you can use Forces to fly too. Or Spirits. Probably Mind if you stretch it far enough.

>>98789634
Levitation is Forces 2 and with Forces 2, you can also use beams of light to blind foes. You'll need to wait until you can boost your Arete to 3 and Forces to 3 until you can use Forces 3 to create harmful energy beams.
Prime is another choice, since Prime 3 allows you to make energy attacks out of pure Quintessence and Prime is important for harvesting Quintessence for your familiar. Prime 2 can allow you to spend Quintessence to make attacks do aggravated damage instead of bashing or lethal, so if your character has a weapon of choice, she can use her magic offensively straight out of character creation.

>>98789070
I dont think our usual baker made this one. Last thread is still on page 9 and he normally puts 3 links and a picture.

Have any of you used:
- "lost" or "unknown" Clans
- Antediluvians beyond than the 13 Clan founders and their usurpers
- first vampires (gen 1) other than Caine
and the like in your Chronicles?

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https://strawpoll.com/X3nkPNaKVgE

Since the werewolf one went so well.

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>>98789812
first for tremere!

>>98789270
they have no auspice or aspect that other fera have and no tribes they only have i think it was 3 unique gifts

so a garou has breed gifts, tribe gifts and auspice

a yeren only has breed + the very few gifts they been able to cook up

i personally thing they should get black spiral dancer gifts given that they been added to the spirit pact as a hanger-on to the black spiral dancers but by raw they just don't and homid aren't that great with jam tech being the only real stand out

and also quite a few of them are also locked to certain fera like bastet, gurahl or corax

>>98790024
Presuming that they still get 3 gifts, the Homid set should be enough make them viable even if very repetitive in terms of builds.

>>98790134
it is certainly a improvment compared to other mockery breeds still under pentex control and a huge breakthrough in-universe but i don't think it makes quite at the level of real fera yet

they just have too few options especially because non wyrmish spirits would not teach them anything (which actually looks them out of even more homid gifts) and the black spiral dancers refuse to share as well

>>98789199
>>98789240
Inefficient hunting strategy. You're better off making them speedrun Harano

>>98789812
Who won the werewolf poll?

>>98790178
get of fenris

>>98790178
>https://strawpoll.com/bVg8B9ekbyY
get followed by the city tribes

>>98790178
Get of Fenris with Bone Gnawers and Glass Walkers tied for 2nd and Red Talons in 3rd

>>98790178

As is common generally, top 5 tribes are Get of Fenris, Bone Gnawers, Glass Walkers, Red Talons and Fianna.

City tribes always generally do well, the Get and Fianna are designed to appeal to large western ethnic groups, and Red Talons are just funny.

>>98790186
>>98790188
>>98790193
>>98790204
I see the Vikings deserve to be the Alphas of the nation more than some budget Jew and his inability to win the Nation is fucked

Did the Get as Nazis improve their popularity on 4chan or do people just like double berserkers? I always found them kind of boring.

>>98790290
My answer to this
https://youtube.com/shorts/IP1syEYyyeU?

>>98790290
>Viking Wolves
>/Fit/ Strength autists
>Actually treat their kinfolk well
>More of a family structure to their tribe
Even without being Nazis I imagine by the sheer fact that they're palatable they'd be popular. Every other tribe that might be popular has a few extra moments of
>Extreme abuse and neglect towards family members
>Autistic retardation but not the funny glorious kind
>Literal dogs

What allied alien (spirit) could a void engineer call uppon for help?

>>98790373
i think you get the VE wrong if you think they have alien allies

>>98790290
>https://strawpoll.com/bVg8B9ekbyY
This reminds me. There is a recentish reddit post by the guy behind Wyrmfoe. You know if you know.
He only had data from late 2023 or so but since he had the analytics on hand, people asked him questions about it. One of them was about the most visited tribes.
>A new version of the site actually went up this past weekend, complete with a functioning Gift search. That's actually why I was in the analytics, to make sure everything was still recording correctly. Everything about the site should be better now.
>The most popular tribe by a good margin is Glass Walkers (looking at traffic to tribe gifts pages and ignoring paginated pages). The least popular is Red Talons, just barely less popular than Stargazers and Wendigo.
>The list goes like this:
>Glass Walkers
>Shadow Lords
>Get of Fenris
>Black Spiral Dancers
>Silver Fangs
>Fianna
>Bone Gnawers
>Children of Gaia
>Uktena
>Black Furies
>Silent Striders
>Wendigo
>Stargazers
>Red Talons
>White Howlers
>Croatan
>Bunyip

https://www.reddit.com/r/WhiteWolfRPG/comments/1whfkrv/comment/pa2msw4/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

>>98790157
>and the black spiral dancers refuse to share as well
They aren't stupid enough to train their replacements. That and binding spirits into teaching shit was an option at some point but I don't really remember the rules of that.

>>98790412
>3rd most popular
>removed from w5
did paradox not run basic customer analytics? even hasbro has data on most popular class and race.

>>98790509
The main dev of W5 was a second generation muslim immigrant in sweden

>>98790509
They literally think they are better than 90% of humanity for working at a game publisher.

>>98790520
not even dev they guy didn't write anything himself

he was the(or even still is) the brand manager working at paradox

>>98790575
Imagine working on WoD with a job description like (((Brand Manager))), the old WoD writers would consider that a parody.

>>98789067
My Mage's goal is to have sex and have lots of children. What spheres should he get?

>>98790377
Why wouldn't they? Weren't technocratic horizon realms protected by weaver spirits at one point?

>>98790604
Life, for obvious reasons, Entropy, for getting lucky with his dates and Time, to get into Escetic mass orgies.

>>98790575
he had the power to override authors on the metaplot and remove tribes
https://www.patreon.com/jfsambrano/posts/werewolf-5th-and-86463964

>>98790604
Life, Mind and Entropy

>>98790604
Life if you just wanna be awesome at sex and super fertile.
Mind if you wanna be creepy about it.
Entropy if you wanna be lucky about it.
Correspondence if you wanna be biblical about it.
Time if you wanna be quick about it.

>>98790636
>>98790575
>https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Karim_Muammar
Karim Muammar is offically "Brand Editor" so they only have to put his name in the editorial or writer (which is a even bigger lie) section despite the fact that he is the highest ranking member working on the world of darkness under paradox

he is never credited as being the main guy of any book despite having the final say in everything and he is not even working for the same company as the actual writers

>>98790290
>The warriors of a warrior nation, the peak martial tribe that excels at combat to a degree no other tribe matches overall.
>Couched in Norse mythology and symbolism, something that has always appealed to Western nerds.
>Genuinely meritocratic, they respect strength above all else and will honour anyone (unaffiliated with the Wyrm) who can prove their might to them.
>Add egalitarianism to the above. No matter what demographics an individual belongs to, woman, black, whatever, if they are able to prove that they're worthy, they're welcome among the Get.
>This extends to their Kinfolk. They're willing to create Kinfolk populations wherever they find strong people who will provide them with strong children. While they're not equals, they genuinely value and respect the power of their partners and allow them to meaningfully contribute to their war effort, rather than just serve as breeding slaves or housemaids.
>Genuinely heroic. The true Get of Fenris don't expect to come out of this war alive and are willing to sacrifice everything to win the war against the Wyrm. Not in the style of Shadow Lord ruthless exploitation and pragmatism, but genuine martyrdom and self-sacrifice. They're the first in and last out, and prepared to not come out at all.
>The mission comes first. Every other tribe has its own pet projects that it cares about, but the Get of Fenris prioritises the war against the Wyrm. They aren't focused on fighting humanity, or the patriarchy, or to win the Weaver's favour, or to maintain their authority. All that matters is defeating the Wyrm. Of all of the tribes, they are the purest of purpose.
But it is easier to go "neonazi viking LARPer retard berserkers."

>>98789188
This is the modern corpo attitude that killed wod5

>>98790412
>Glass Walkers are the reddit tribe

>>98790754
heh but I think Shadows Lords are even funnier.
They are for the edgy players. Just like with Lasombra...

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Can a kinfolk turned 15th gen thinblood have kinfolk/werewolf children?

>>98790636
>>98790683
>Guy with not much experience writing for TTRPGs
>Allowing him brand control over a TTRPG brand
>That he hates
>Which you bought because it was a cult classic (aka people like it as is for what it is)

Paradox is a different breed

>>98790748
Too fucking bad, melting pot World of Darkness isn't soul or kino, it's shit. Most people who play Vampire the Masquerade care almost exclusively about vampires, they don't want the chronicle to suddenly segue into a plot about how the prince is actually a pawn of the Technocracy and the Sabbat are being manipulated by the Traditions and they're actually just fighting a proxy war for mages or whatever. Same for Mage, people don't play Mage just for vampires to be behind everything.

>>98789812
Surprisingly even. I wouldn't have expected Gangrel to tie with Ventrue and Nosferatu.

>>98790624
because they want to wipe out all "aliens" and retcon the umbra into the hardest of scifi space. not saying they don't have any spirits it is their main sphere but VE won't ally with any of the known aliens in umbra, or the elemental courts, or the jinn or ... pretty much any major faction in the umbra which is one of the reasons why the dream speakers are their some of their most antagonistic enemies

weaver spirits are actually more of a iterationX thing but they only recently started to notice them because they didn't study dimensional science before the avatar storm

>>98790782
Shadow Lords are too edgy to be reddit, but they're also shamelessly douchebags so they whip around to being endearing

>>98790804
he was one of the 3 og larpers who pitches shit to paradox and somehow he managed to keep his head down and not get fired over the camarilla book despite being credited as it's editor

>>98790807
I only picked Gangrel because Salubri weren't an option.

>>98790826
>Salubri
Closeted Baali

>>98790807
i mean the Get won and the gangrel are the closest to them among the vampires both in the whole meritocratic aspect and with the norse connection

so perhaps wodg just has a type?

>>98790754
No shit. Imagine fighting for Gaia while actually doing the weaver's work (for free)

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>>98790829
The Trem*re speaks with a forked tongue. I'm going to fashion a necklace from the fangs of you and your misbegotten kind

>>98788553
if they wander into the lower umbra a particularly powerful wraith with usury could probably figure something out, assuming it doesn't just get torn to pieces first

>still simping for the Baali e-thots disguised as trad wives Salubri in the big 2026
lol

>>98790377
Well, you could have them strike a deal with The Man. Yes, it's a real spirit.

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>>98790868
How does that help at all?

>>98790874
The Jonkler (a marauder) fears him.

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Which spat lets me transform into different animals so I can do cool stuff and maul my enemies?

>>98790868
That's the NWO. Basically every convention but the Void Engineers might cooperate with a spiritual patron who represents their ideals, but the Void Engineers are strictly anti-EDE. If it's Umbral, it's no good.

>>98790891
Vampire.

>>98790800
Only thinblood women can have children and they turn out to be Dhampirs, I have no idea if you can be a Dhampir Werewolf, I would assume no.

>>98790891
Sorcerer

>>98789785
I had a tzimisce give himself a bleeding 3rd eye and convince a bunch of fledglings that he was an ancient salubri

>>98789107
Nuance is completely lost on people these days. The "Inquisition" of VTDA got started by vampires with influence in the church using it to attack rivals with plausible deniability, true. But it very quickly got out of control. One of the chief reasons for this was the horribly short-sighted practice of embracing someone else so the hunters would think "we got the vampire" and move on. What this actually did was let hunters hone themselves on shitter vampires and worse, interrogate the confused fledgling, meaning that they knew they didn't actually get the elder, so the cycle repeats. Knowing more about vampires meant hunters could spot vampiric influence within the church and sidestep it, creating a massive threat that came around the time that vampire on vampire violence was reaching a fever pitch.

This close call was a wake-up call for some vampires, who had gotten way too complacent during the middle ages concerning the Kine. "Don't run around screaming that you're a vampire" has been advice since the second city collapsed, even the methuselah that pretended to be Gods weren't advertising their true nature. The Masquerade is to avoid the retardation that is getting into an open conflict with the source of your food and resources. Because it's a war that even if you win, you effectively lose.

>>98789785
I ported/syncretized the Mekhet from VtR with VtM's lost Antediluvian, Mekhet. I gave them a different curse loosely based on Hollow Mekhet fuckery because Requiem clan curses are usually far less severe than Masquerade ones.

Haven't really touched anything about Caine/the first vampire besides myth, legend, and hearsay.

>>98790800
Considering the danislavs were a line of kinfolk revenants and there is no mention of abominations being born from their line, I would have to assume no. I think they would still (barely) retain their kinfolk status but until the vampiric impurity is removed they can only learn a few gifts at best.

What is the max power level a sorcery can go?

>>98790891
vampire (gangrel merit), sorcerer (entire shapeshifting path), mummy (true name hekau), fae (naming can do everything if you can get it but the actual shapeshifting power in c20 is broken to the point where it does not work), demon (lore of beasts), mage (life sphere, life pillar or rune pillar) if you squint wraith (there is both a arcanoi that changes your corpus and you can skinride animals)

>>98790977
thinblood's and (cainite) dhampir weren't a thing back then. the danislavs only existed in the 13th century and then got wiped out by the tzimisce after a failed rebellion (something something nothing cool survives the dark ages). while thinbloods only became a thing in the 1990s in the dark ages kindred just stop after the 13th generation as those couldn't embrace

>>98790891
>tremere still haven't invented vampire druidism magic
lazy fucks

>>98791046
They actually have something like path of green or someshit that allows to do some things with trees, I don't remember atm
And that was the only vampire power related to greens I think, in the usual Tremere must have everything way

>>98790800
hard to say. we have a statement that dhampir overwrite all other half splats, but that is talking about kuei jin dhampir, but it is also all we have

dhampir only been a very recent thing in owod before the destruction of the world and v5 which picked up later is even more averse to crossover stuff than usual so we know nothing about it in that setting

we know none of the danislavs did go through the first change but was that because of chance or because of the blood? we don't know and the dunsirn that do are just normal werewolf ronin, but those guys are both: A not a fully revenant familly and B giovanni who are a clan who control their embraces to make sure that they don't have thinbloods

all in all too little data to say

>>98791046
acording to the first sorcerer book that had a table for what would happen to a sorcerer after awakening/embrace/death dots in shapeshifting sorcery becomes protean exp after the embrace

>>98791046
if i remember correctly a path that turns you into a swarm of insects is mentioned as one of the unfinished and possibly failed paths a tremere tried to make in the clan book when it talks about making paths

but making a new path costs more exp and time than learning a out of clan discipline so i can see why nobody done it yet

>>98790807

I mean, way more people did the werewolf than vampire one so far.

The werewolf one didn't surprise me at all. I'm curious as to how the vampire one pans out because I really have no idea. I guess people generally like the Camarilla clans more but beyond that no clue.

>>98789548
>vampires that high
>when it starts at depressing and gets worse as you get older
Just how bad do the Changelings have it.

>>98791091
vampireanons are too busy larping on shrecknet

>>98791101
they changed some things with c20 but before that most changelings did not make it to their 30s before their lost their fae side which then got reincarnated with only a few memories in a new body and goes through pretty much just late childhood and puberty with extra complications again and then repeats this forever or at least till winter makes the world too banal

and you can't escape into the dreaming because it you stay there too much you get bedlam which disolves your human side and without human side the dreaming absorbs you

it was bad

>>98791019
The point was they were kinfolk with inherent vitae production. There isnt anything else in the books to compare to or directly answer the question.

>>98791091
time zones

>Gangrel, but he likes to keep himself groomed and clean
How much of an outsider will he be?

>>98791151
if you are camarilla or a city gangrel then not at all

remember that unless you are a nosferatu (and even then) most members are expected to be presentable enough to show up to elysium and that mean gossip girl i mean harpy is actual position with power in the camarilla

>>98790813
>because they want to wipe out all "aliens" and retcon the umbra into the hardest of scifi space. not saying they don't have any spirits it is their main sphere but VE won't ally with any of the known aliens in umbra, or the elemental courts, or the jinn or ... pretty much any major faction in the umbra which is one of the reasons why the dream speakers are their some of their most antagonistic enemies
Isn't it also why the Nuwisha do their best to control where the VE go. A sense of "well if you're gonna wreck everywhere you go we won't let you go anywhere nice"?

>>98791179
Nuwisha are borderline psychotic jokers. They don't really need X reason to do anything

>>98789511
Depends on if you're talking COFD or WOD.
Uratha are in less of a bad place than the Garou, but they're still struggling in terms of maintaining their humanity and balance.
Changelings in COFD are weird compared to WOD ones because while they come from a much darker place, they're ultimately not as utterly fucked as the Kithians.

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>>98790858
>We wuz cusaders and shit
[True Faith] Begone foul beast!

>>98789107
The Masquerade exists because the Camarilla is a Cult and as such will not suffer outside interference.

>>98789276
>what’s Pentecostalism supposed to be?
A mosh pit.

I hate admitting this, but why is writing my own stuff and talking about it with interested more people than actually playing the tabletop? Especially the pbp games on discord.

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>tfw my gf turns out to a fae
wtf, bitch told me she was a vampire?!

>>98791766
Vampires are a redcap subspecies.

>>98791722
Because pbp is a dying format, people don't have nearly as much patience as they used to, effortposting is thing of the past.

>>98791766
Be glad and ask her to use Naming on you.

>>98790178
I like to think we all did :)

>>98791685
>sabbat enforce Masquerade as well

>>98791213
>true faith
>relies on mundane weapons

>>98791797

Honestly, good. I despised pbp format. I’d rather have a table to find. Speaking of that, any advice on finding them?

For now, I just write my own stuff. It’s something.

>>98791046
>invented
*stolen and rebranded from another clan. Probably Gangrels.

>>98791151
Birds, cats, rodents and bats groom themselves. So it wouldn't be THAT weird.

>>98791809
>But whatabo
The Sabbat being a cult makes the Camarilla no less of a cult. Kill your sire. Talk to your family. Take control of your Unlife.

Why are vampires weak to wooden stakes? The sun and fire are explained in the origin story, but not wooden stakes. Here's some of my ideas
>a stake to the heart stops (most) kindred from pumping vitae to the wound for healing. This means they can't fix the damage and enter a forced torpor.
>Jesus was nailed to a wooden cross to pay for humanity's original sins. Cain never paid for Kindred's original sin, so all of his children can be nailed by wood to atone individually.

>>98791847
The Crone told Caine that is how it be and he will worked it into existence.

>>98791891
Eh, no real narrative power to just say I Said So. Fire and Light have narrative weight passed down from angels.

>>98791805
Indeed, everyone likes the Get

>>98791819
You can always ask here anon-kun. My players are a mix of anons from the /osrg/(from years ago) and /qst/ies. I was in a group as a player with the former in an OSR game that one of said /qst/ies invited me to

>>98791847
Because wood is a tree.
Tree is connected to life
>>98791766
If you're in WOD, okay. If you're in COFD, how are you still here

>>98791847
God set up the biggest dunk in history for the Red Talons and none of them have ever delivered.

>>98791952
tree of life is a kabbalah thing aka jewish witchcraft

>>98791972
It's a Biblical thing predating kabbalah.

>>98791972
No I mean the idea that trees are an innate symbol of life.

Is there a Background like Herd, but representing how many szlachta I've manufactured?

>>98792024
Retainers?

>>98792024
It's called "Trash"

>>98792024
Probably one of the ones elders get to represent having armies.

It's funny how hard Bardo mogs Animalism when it comes to making animals viable as meals
>double blood gain but increasing self control difficulty for every three times you do it, does nothing to improve the taste
vs
>it's as nourishing as human blood, rats and bats are now 12-16x better meals, no extra human blood cravings

>>98792049
V5 is dead, sweaty!

>>98792049
Okay?

>>98792049
You'd have to tell them to fuck off anyway. Book's just saving you the trouble (it's not, because they won't listen, but the effort is appreciated).

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Instead of Mage or Werewolf, we should defer to Changeling for all metaphysical and worldbuilding information.

>>98792049

The virgin pozzed Brujah versus the Chad Dixiecrat, George Wallace supporting Tremere.

Playing a neo-nazi Toreador with a black, sassy BLM activist girlfriend. Wat do?

>>98792094
>"Hey, we saw you across the dimensions and like your vibes."

>>98789426
This is the truth that theurgists don't want you to know about!

>>98792094
Mage and Changeling really complement each other. The Mages' Umbra is just the Changlings' Arcadia. Banality is just Paradox from the other side. It all adds up until you throw Werewolf and Wraith into the mix and ruin everything.

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*lands on your lap and settles down to take a nap*

>>98789445
Oppressing the Dreamspeakers.

>>98792098
Vampires are supposed to be evil. So I could unironically see this working. An evil vampire Dominating or Ghouling a mortal to act against their morals feels like an easy evil character. Some leftists would genuinely fuck with that idea.

>>98792126
If you can't mix werewolf and mage that's a genuine skill issue on your part I'm afraid.

>>98792133
What is this?
>familiar (vampire)
>familiar (mage)
>ghoul
>chimera
>warrior cat

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>>98791207
>Changelings in COFD are weird compared to WOD ones because while they come from a much darker place, they're ultimately not as utterly fucked as the Kithians.
You can say that again!

>>98792149
You can, it's just that werewolf sucks and contradicts Mage stuff in a way that pisses me off.

>>98791815
The Lord provides me with what I need. Who am I to turn down His gift?

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>>98792168
The Lord provides me with holy light beams that shoot out of my cross like a lightsaber.

>>98792126
>V5 and W5 had quick references to Changeling, but implied Lost lore over Dreaming
>C6 is allegedly coming, assuming Paradox don't drive the entire IP into the ground
Will we get Lostlings? Dreamlings? Some kind of patchwork? Some horrible mishmash that tries to portray the True Fey a sympathetic even as they drag mortals through a thorn-studded Gauntlet?

>>98792156
>warriorcats wod crossover
Genuinely the concept has me fucking dying just thinking about it.

m6 must tank paradox to save hedgefag from c6

>>98792191
I want fey trapped in human bodies. I don't want humans cursed by fey. Mythological changelings literally replace kidnapped humans.
I wanna be an MLP-style Changeling

>>98792191
Why didn't they just keep COFD then if they wanted to do Lost?

>>98792191
given the nonsense we are seeing in the v6 playtest and the fact that they tried to do m5 and c5 but the current team just couldn't get over how much they hate hunger dice

i would not be surprised if C6 not just a patchwork but a update of a original patchwork that we never seen(aka C5) with random shit thrown into it that everyone at a glance could tell you would not work

sorry if this is too negative but neither v5 nor the v6 playtest give me any hope

>>98790520
We need an Islamic tribe, like Vampire's Benu Haqim but not as terribly offensive.

>>98792133
>i investigate its genitalia

>>98792243
because daddy paradox is a video game company and they wanted the vtmb brand recognition so they made v5 to help market vtmb2

then vigil 2e ate into h5's sales because it was the better game and CofD had to go for the crime of eating into vtmb2's marketing campaign

>>98792191
I think it will be Lost pretending to be Dreaming. This is because Lost does FAR better with the vaunted "Personal Horror" themes. This isn't actually bad, I really like both and Dreaming is a bit of an odd child out among the more played titles. However, Paradox is incompetent. So it really doesn't matter what they do, it will be bad, I think.

>>98792251
This is why so many hermetics get restraining orders

>>98792274
Your honor, if the cat can issue a restraining order then it was valid to sexually harass it to elicit a response.

>>98792250
Choir
Changeling would be hard. Muslims aren't allowed to pretend to be djinn, would be the cultural equivalent of fey. So, Arabic changlings would have to break the rules and be djinn or just be weird hybrid djinn/fey that aren't culturally accurate.

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>>98792133
What are you? How did you get in here? Who do you work for!?

>>98792282
ctd did not give a shit about that it has jinn with Ifrit, Lilin, Qareen, Shaytan as subsplats

>>98792264
That's stupid

>>98792309
>That's stupid
i never said it's not, but it is what happened

and then vtmb2 development was a disaster and they lost 37.4 million usd on the game. not counting the 1.2 million usd they spend on the ip and whatever they spend on wod5

>>98790868
>strike a deal with The Man
The Man's tryin' to turn me into a slave
working maximum time
for minimum wage!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDVqIqr355g

>>98792244
>sorry if this is too negative but neither v5 nor the v6 playtest give me any hope
Don't apologize for acknowledging that there's a greater chance of it sucking than not. This isn't reddit where you're obligated to give corporate the benefit of the doubt because it's a sin not to consume (unless branded with heresy like JK Rowling).

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>>98792179
Yes, another witch trying to disguise as one of the faithful.

>>98792281
>Average Wizard's overworked lawyer

>>98792105
Implying you wouldn't say yes to a faerie threesome.

>>98792244
>>98792340
Trvke. One the one hand
>They recognize that lacking player agency over shit like hunger dice was big gay and annoying
One the other hand
>They're incredibly whipped by corporate and have very little artistic integrity or desire inside of them

I can't even make a DnD comparison to this, because truthfully neither 5.5 nor 5 are "that" bad or tone death to what the players want or what would make a good game Unlike Pathfinder 2E

>>98792344
>implying the Lord's miracle is witchcraft

>>98790892
>Basically every convention but the Void Engineers might cooperate with a spiritual patron who represents their ideals
How would you justify it? Other conventions aren't really allowed to work with aliens. Even without Spirit youd be able to tell that something feels off about most spirits.

>>98792409
i know it's off topic but i am in a mood and i could need some drama i don't give a shit about

what happened to pathfinder 2e? last i heard they tried to not be anti pope dnd 3.x anymore and did so poorly their freelancers had to unionize because they just weren't paying them

>>98792244
>but the current team just couldn't get over how much they hate hunger dice
Could you explain this? Is there someone's testimony somewhere?
(I have not seen anyone positive about hunger dice outside of the highly curated official discord)

>>98792416
We'll see just how holy you are when the sun is up and I'm standing before you, crucifix in hand.

>>98792421
don't tell. a syndicate mage who is converting money to quint to pay a spirit to do something (yes that's something they can do) is not reporting that to someone

the iteration x scientist who has patterspiders in his lab is not telling the VE about it because they would kill them and he wants to study them

part of the NWO's job is dealing with low threat reality deviants and they get to decide the threat level of reality deviants they are dealing with

>>98792443
they actually mentioned it on the discord that they don't like hunger dice and that paradox dice did not work at all

>>98792445
I have the crucifix. You have the shotgun. Remember?

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What would it take to make any other line more popular than the Big Three?

>>98792457
I haven't played Mage, but I'm aware from 1e to M20, control of when Paradox backlashes happen has shifted between the player and ST. Making backlashes dependent on the "messy outcome" system or whatever it's called sounds like it would make nobody happy

>>98792430
>Make and market Pathfinder 1E as the autist's choice for a 3.5E DnD successor complete with an all you can think of kitchen sink setting, subclasses upon subclasses, customization options, races, prestige classes, etc.

Essentially Anti-Pope 3.5 DnD as you said. The problem is Pathfinder was a game made for autists by autists who loved number crunching and useful gimmicks. So the sequel, more of a DnD 5E with crunch, doesn't appeal to any of the hardcore autists they cultivated nor can it really appeal to a new audience because most of them have been captured on the theater kid larp RP style of game.

If Pathfinder 2 would just have been Pathfinder 1 with some of the RP flavor conveniences of DnD 5E like Warlock pacts or more involved feats, then it might have sold pretty well. As it pretty much is though
>A lot of feats exist as feats for no reason
>Scrap the concept of races and alignment partially for heritage
>A lot of unsupported gimmicks in the rules
>Less of the autistic build-making and number crunching that was in the original

It's basically a textbook example of not knowing how to appeal to your audience. Paizo would have been better off publishing a new setting or gameline than PF2.

>>98792457
>>98792487
>Anons shitposted last year about Paradox dice in Mage 5
>They actually thought about it for long enough to playtest and see that it sucks

Honestly rather kek

>>98792494
Doesn't pf2 also suffer from a problem where some classes feel like shit to play for most of the time because "it's balanced at level 20"?

>>98792457
>>98792506
it's even funnier than that. a anon mentioned a few months ago that this entire new edition is because WoD5 HAS to use gimmick dice because of a contract with the manufacturer of said dice

so the couldn't make M5 without it and have to make it M6 but making a new WoD edition without vampire is insane from market perspective so they have to make V6 so that they can drop the dice from future games and then go back to the games they been working on aka mage and changeling

>>98792461
You have a defiled cross while I prefer to keep my arsenal varied for all occasions

>>98792477
either channel exalted and be super extra like mage
or
let someone play as a horrible monster that isn't a gay fairy

>>98792525
That was regular DnD and Pathfinder, the whole Quadratic Wizard Linear Warrior thing. It's not exclusively a PF2 thing, it's just more noticeable because a lot of the features that allowed you to get value at the moment either don't exist or suck. iirc multiclassing may have also gotten a nerf despite PF being the one level dip RPG

>>98792537
Man, if I were the manufacturer I would be fuming

>different vampires react different ways to sunlight
>some are burned, but gradually unless you're a total monster, like in Requiem
>some lose access to their powers
>some are no longer able to disguise themselves as human, like "this is the skin of a killer!" but less goofy
>some drop 'dead,' their soul ejected into Twilight and unable to act until dragged back into darkness

>>98792537
what autistic dice mechanic would changeling have had? banality dice?

>>98789262
>Order of Hermes would be (one of) the driving force(s) behind the character becoming jaded and cynical.


The hermetics are one of the less banal groups being pretty high on the glamorous stuff

>>98792477
Werewolf is out, so there is at least one opening.
>Changeling: be more consistent with what Changelings actually are.
>Wraith: Ha.
>Promethean: Become a kindred clan or Mage's ghoul equivalent
>Beast: Become Leviathan
>Demon: Become a kind of Changeling
>Kindred of the East: Become normal Kindred clans
>Mummy: Become Mages or Vampires
>Deviant: Fucked up humans already exist with Mages and Hunters. I'm not sure the setting can be stretched any further. Become Hunters(imbued) or see Promethean above

>>98792560
banality dice or wyrd dice. possibly both

>>98792477
Honestly? A good introduction and being able to get the games easy.
Like, throw out all this 'if and & maybe' shit- just let me pick up a cheap magazine core book and let some nerds make a good intro thing that can get people thinking about it.

>>98792555
they had 6 years of this nonsense i doubt they would be too mad

unless it's a small company that makes all it's money with wod5... in which case that's deserved

>>98792542
Channel Ars Magica instead of Exalted. Hell, channel JJK or Demon Slayer instead of Journey to the West. At least those are designed with Modern(ish) worlds in mind.

>>98792451
The NWO book also uses the phrase "allied alien life forms". NWO is fine with spirits as long as they're not violating static reality.

>>98792556
>tfw you gain an erection when walking into the cruel wrath of the sun
Woe is me, Bonercula

>>98792575
"Hey Storyteller, this WoD book seems neat. How do I learn more about these groups?"
"Eh, uh, how much are you willing to put up with wiki diving or youtube essays? Keep in mind I'll be whispering retcons into your ear the entire time."
This is what scares people away from WoD. Not just the mere existence of a metaplot, but the fact that it's spread thin across over five editions, constantly contradicts itself, and hasn't been in print for twenty years. 6e needs to reprint lore in one, neat, clean, easy to access product. That'd also be a good excuse to sort wheat from chaff and pair down anything truly too unwieldy.

>>98792563
>The hermetics are one of the less banal groups
Wasn't there a chart for how banal things are? I think it also stated that Nephandi have pretty low Banality.

>>98792477
Purely imo of course
>Hunter
Less gay nonsense about being an anti-jobber hobo schizophrenic and more about being Supernatural: The RPG properly. Or Van Helsing. I'd even say allowing you to play as a sort of subsplat or temporarily as another splat for more crazy situations.
>Changeling
It's a harder sell, but make it more DnD-like and less a metaphor for autism. Or make it more dark fairytale kino like Lost, but with proper funding, support, and metaplot.
>Demon
Cucked due to when it got released, but it should be more like a DMC RPG
>Wraith
It should never be popular, because then it will not be good. Wraith is perfect the way it is, and if the price for perfection is obscurity then I am okay with that.
>Mummy
More powers, more lore, make it center in Egypt as a framing for the story rather as the only location ala JoJo's Part 3.

As a small bonus
>Geist
Should just be Jojo with more undead
>Promethean
More focus on torments

>>98792605
Warhammer doesn't have this problem, just have a strong central theme and story and maybe more concrete rules and the fanbase will be completely okay with LARPING all the lore instead of reading the Horus Heresy's 57+ books

>>98792556
What if different werewolves reacted in different ways to silver?

>>98792605
The truth about the Metaplot was always 99.99% of it doesn't matter to players Greg Gangrel and Ahmed Assamite whacking nerds off their front lawn.
It doesn't even need it neat and clean. The night is full of rumours and lies and all that. But the accessibility?

I don't want a pricey hardcover I want a cheap-ass piece of shit where I can buy an extra copy to give to someone so they can run a game man.

>>98792631
Warhammer has no story. The entire Horus Heresy will be lit on fire and forgotten the moment it gets in the way of selling new plastic models. Warhammer is a plastic figure franchise that also sells books on the side. WoD is a book franchise. It's not really comparable.

>>98792643
Genuinely, sometimes silver doesn't work unless it was inherited, or a priest blessed it, or it's not even silver but quicksilver the monster is weak to

>>98792156
Familiar(insert your splat)

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i am not sure if i should vote for setites in the poll because yeah a setite was my favorite character i got to play, but she was form a bloodline that is mentioned like twice and a sub faction that is mentioned thrice

and i don't care for the setite orthodoxy

>>98792751
Which bloodline?

>>98792761
Witches of Echidna

>>98792769
Well, they are still closer to the sneks than to any other clan, so it would make sense to vote Setite.
Or wait for the bloodline poll.

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Are the demon slayer corps imbued hunters or just peak mundane human? What clan is Muzan Kibutsuji?

>>98792857
shih my man

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>>98792623
>Less gay nonsense about being an anti-jobber hobo schizophrenic
I want to play an office lady who is a hunter because murdering supernaturals without any powers of her own is easier than doing anything about the work environment at her company

>>98792857
The demon slayer corps are a conspiracy and the breathing techniques are their endowment.
And between all the disfiguring mutations and hiding out in the woods and abandoned houses, I'm going to say Muzan is the progenitor of a Gangrel bloodline

>>98792892
Jobber in this case refers to being against organized hunting, rather than holding down a job. You can still be a hobo schizophrenic, but I think the game should be less direct in commanding you to be a jobless bum entirely about "Da HOONT"

>>98789812
>animalism clans got 14 out of 36 votes
Camarilla has fallen. Thousands must die.

>TQ
Yes I have in a WOD/COFD thing
>An Amenti
>A Lost
>A Wraith
>And an Unchained
Basically have to break into the Met after hours and open the Temple of Dendur's secret spirt-gate.

>>98792987
Nah man, Ass Mites, Gios, and Ravnos are all at 0, this is a good day.

>>98789812
>Toreador that low
I guess 4chan could never really imagine themselves as the pretty and social ones

>>98793004
i like toreador, but i only got one vote and they aren't my favorite also this seems to be modern nights and the cool toreador knights that kill demons and shit are all in the dark age setting

>>98793004
>anon gets fleshcrafted and inducted as a toreawhore poseur
>as a joke

>>98789812
because of this poll i found out that my wg homie is a anon too

>>98793004
Toreador are good but not many peoples first, I think.

>>98789812
>Tremere-cels winning
Dragon-chads we need to get those numbers up

>>98793091
it's not pride month this time

what do you think is the single most important change that V6 needs to make for it to not be utter dog shit? there's a lot wrong with the playtest they put out, but what holds it down the most in your eyes?
for me it's the new health system, disincentivizing players from using their vampire powers is a great way to make it not feel like you're playing as a vampire at all

>>98793091
Have tried sculpting another horn on your forehead?

>>98793142
>what do you think is the single most important change that V6 needs to make for it to not be utter dog shit?
It has to change the fuckers working on it.

>>98793142
>what do you think is the single most important change that V6 needs to make for it to not be utter dog shit?
Make it a new and improved extension of the Chronicles of Darkness.

>>98793142
yeah the vitae system is unsalvageable and the fact that they are trying to fine tune it instead of dropping it like drama is enough to turn me off the edition completely

>>98793142 >>98793156
I must have been one of the few people who liked how the sixth edition handles Vitae...

>>98793142
The reworked Humanity system is awful. It being possible to be too human, becoming an NPC being a prerequisite to researching Golconda, the "outbursts," the gamifying of going back and forth on the track, it all has to go. Even the fringe bonuses for having the equivalent of low Humanity are bad, because they encourage you to dial in to a position before major events.
As a runner-up, each Clan having a unique frenzy is a neat idea, but the implementation is so bad you might as well scrap it and save the concept for a future supplement as an optional rule.

>>98793182
>becoming an NPC being a prerequisite to researching Golconda
You can tell that they wish it was never added to the setting.

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>>98793179
>>98793156
The single vitae track lets you do a hypothetical neat thing of healing instantly from wounds... except it's non-optional. Just getting hurt around mortals is now a potential Masquerade violation. Whatever they were trying to accomplish, they could have just done with a rule that healing from non-aggravated damage is a reflexive action.

when is ww going to publish anonymous:the shitposting

>>98793182
>As a runner-up, each Clan having a unique frenzy is a neat idea, but the implementation is so bad you might as well scrap it and save the concept for a future supplement as an optional rule.
It also fucks with the idea that the beast is a bestial moron since several of the frenzies require far too much intelligence.