Toruk Makto edition>Previously, in the Mortal Realms>>98807353>Official AoS website:https://www.ageofsigmar.com>Downloads, Rules Errata, and FAQs:https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-downloads/>Toolshttps://runebrush.pa-sy.com/warscroll/https://lordbaconbane.github.io/aoswarscrollcreator/>4e Booksgofile.io/d/KAQe7n7f>Anvil of Apotheosis hero creator (old):https://aosg.github.io/https://sigdex.io/>Thread Question:Do /yourdudes/ have flyers? If not; invent some. If yes; invent some new ones anyway.
>>98819487>Toruk Makto editionAt first I thought this was a Bionicle reference and then I was very disappointed
>TQ>Do /yourdudes/ have flyers?They have tzaangors, so yes >make news ones anyways Listen I don’t want more bird themed shit. I also think disc riders shouldn’t be redone unless there’s some heavy innovation. I guess if it really needs to be a thing, some flying chaos spawn, I don’t know why this isn’t a thing to begin with. Otherwise just give us a generic demon prince.
>>98819502Funnily enough, lizardmen came up with their own pterosaur riding character with a similar sounding name at the start of the same year as the release of the first avatar movie.
>>98819472>>98819475Fuck anons now you've put it into my head that the chaos dragon could have different heads or other bits so it could represent (and be taken by the armies of) the different specific chaos gods. Much like the defiler in 40k.I know gw won't actually do it so now I'm already disappointed in a model that we don't even know is actually coming.
>>98819564For some reason it's absolutely insane to me that fantasy was around and still releasing finecast models when Avatar released.
>>98819566>Much like the defiler in 40k.>I know gw won't actually do itthe defiler sold a fuckton, part because it was OP or something, but it wouldn't surprise me if gw took the good lesson from it for once and made more cross compatible units for chaos, even if it was just through a single head bit and a regiment of renown.
>>98819572It was metal at the time, finecast came later.
Check out the new barrow knight proxieshttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/k2y7ynx8/new-skeleton-horsemen-thunder-into-the-old-world/
>>98819578That's even crazier. Damn.I was into Lotr SBG as a kid and got back into the hobby around 2016ish after being a secondary for a time.
>>98819586Why weren't these just part of the stream preview?
>>98819574Yeah I would think being able to play something like a chaos dragon in 5 armies instead of 1 would be a serious boost to its sales, even if you have to find a way to cram half a sprue of alternate heads in there. Khorne and nurgle especially are quite popular too.Who knows, maybe there's hope...
>>98819586good for nulhamian shit and obr conversions
>>98819599>even if you have to find a way to cram half a sprue of alternate heads in theremodern design directions try to emphasize semi-realistic proportions and huge sizes, which means heads are getting relatively smaller, so cramming a few extra heads isn't the problemthe necks would be the problem
>>98819586I feel like I'm turning into a grog because despite these being massively superior to the old ones from a technical level I kinda prefer the dogshit older skeletons. These ones feel cluttered, I can't really tell where one horse ends and the other begins easily. Kind of a common trend in tow I'm noticing, reminds me of the marauders. Fantastic sculpts but don't really look good in a unit because it all kind of blends together.Idk is this a consequence of modern sculptors not being familiar with designing rank and flank minis or something?The shields look kind of off too. Do like the weapons a lot though they're cool.
>>98819634>Idk is this a consequence of modern sculptors not being familiar with designing rank and flank minis or somethingKinda. I feel like it's the issue that even rank and file units need to have dynamic™ poses now so when they're put next to each other it just turns into a visual mess
>>98819634I kind of like them, I agree the shields should be less flashy and I like that only the one horse has a fancy headdress if they all had it it would ruin the entire thing. I think with a better paint job they'd look good. mm they do look a little spaced out but probably fine.
>>98819634It's the colour scheme, lookthe old models were way whiter, allowing for greater contrast between shadows and highlights of the bones, and used very bright red and very bright turquoise as spot colors, while the gold was darker and a unifying element the new models are using warmer almost yellow bones, with bright yellow gold, and red that's practically brown, with little to no turquoise, it makes the whole thing a homogenised mess
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>>98819668Yeah you might be on to something here, would like the see some shops of the new guys in bleached white bones.In any case, if you ever wanted to do a thematic nulahmia army now's the time.
>>98819586So it seems likely that Settra is also coming as he was also predicted by the rumor whores.And that image of them fighting WE has be thinking that VC hopefuls/simps can finally fuck off. Barrow Kingdoms isn't going to be a backdoor into VC, it's just 'new AoI that focuses on the nu kits, buy three of each!!'
>>98819686I don't know why the older models stopped you from doing 'thematic nuLahmia' anyway.I would have thought the lack of easy access to Lahmian vampire models is what would stop you
>>98819702the older models were old (derogatory)
>>98819682Shit that does actually improve things noticeably>>98819702Some people did with tomb guard, but the older stuff was considered outdated even in whfb times. Can't fault for someone holding off on a passion project like that until some more modern stuff showed up.By the way did anything ever come of that arkhan rumour? The current mortarch kit is so ass.
Anyone getting the new dorfs? What are your opinions?
>>98819682tfw GW still using piss filter for anything desert.
>>98819739Thinking about it. Clanshields are lame but the other models are nice. I also have slayers so as much as it sucks to lose part of them they will be part of this book.
>>98819738nomodels good, except basic infantries using longbeards and irondrakes is idealgotta wait for better photos to make sense of what the fuck is going on with the thin runic rifles
>>98819757The lasguns are a lost cause, no redeeming those.The cannon version I think can be saved by painting the handle metallic maybe
>>98819586both the blood bowl and the kangs reveals are coming before the usual timeframe for Monday reveals, which means the specialist team has another article inbound in 20 minutes
>>98819783>The cannon versionWould it lower your opinion of them if I told you they're blunderbusses?
>>98819524Look it's my chaos lord in the same style
>>98819524Isn't like half of tzeentch flyersThe tzaangors on disxTzaangor shaman on discGaunt summoner on discThe other guy on discScreamersScreamer chariotEven your terrain flies!
>>98819784No. Battle traits.https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/sgbgmz25/khazalite-holds-battle-traits-hand-out-some-grudges/
>>98819842Abstract bookkeeping sure is fun
>>98819856Can just use beads to keep track. The real issue I see is gaining grudges depends on your opponent doing well. I get it’s in theme for grudges but there’s no way that doesn’t feel bad to me
>>98819842From the tiny sample size in the article>ranged units receive selfish buffs from grudge marks>melee units with grudge marks buff other units in close proximity to them>dilemma to buff your fire support or make a moving castle
Even with the helmet on he can't hide that his eyebags cover half his face
>>98819905Every man's face when they're led by a woman
>>98819985No, Id be happy.
>>98819905he's called a "tiring" for a reason
>>98819998No, you wouldn't.
>>98819586I'll use them, because I'm autistic about my skeletons being bronze aged and the AoS ones are obviously later, fantastically I liked the idea of Tomb King barrows in Foreign lands from that one book with the Elf protag, Gilead or whatever. It fits the Age of Myth to origins to have CoS found a city atop an ancient necropolis of a dead kingdom.
>>98819905>he can't hide that his eyebagsNo matter where I go Jeremy Hambly follows me SUFFAH BISH
>>98819842>5/3/3/1/2 foot hero
>>98819586This kinda blows. But I never could like tomb kings to begin with.
>>98820056is that your boyfriend?
>>98819842Man, this looks so much less fun than the Fyreslayer rules/prayers. Hopefully the AoR doesn't suck ass (it will)
>>98820080Yes. He's bald and shits his pants daily. Also he has two gay black dads.
>>98819842>fyres- excuse me, Grimmdron are actually part of the core faction rulesMore than I expected desu
>>98820041Oh yeah I would.Had many male leaders. all incompetent. Women are much better.
>>98820097>Grimmdronshould have been vulkadron tbqhwyfam
>>98820117Grim fits fine.
I was so certain we'd get a helsmith battleforce this year. My disappointment is immeasurable
>>98820129It just doesn't roll off the tongue as well, you want a vowel or at worst a liquid consonant before -dron
>>98820144Were battleforces already announced?
>>98820165we had a leak. SC, IJm, NH and STD
>>98820144we will
>>98820180>scAnother shelf warmer huh
>>98820056>eyebagseyebegs*HE'S RACCOONMAXXEDHE'S A GOOGLY-EYED FREAK, ANONSKI!
>noticably smaller than rat ogresCan we bury the idea that the golems are anywhere near the size of the BVLL now?
>Azgorh namedropped in Blood of the GodeaterNEVER LOSE HOPE
>>98820211No. Keep seething.
>>98820205SADPUTHETIC
>>98820211Even more visibly 50mm bases. My base-tism rarely fails.
>>98820223its okay to qdmit being wrong anon we all make mistakes
>>98820254>2 28mm bases easily fit inside>it's obviously 50mm!Retardo
>>98820211Glad to see the throne isn't that big either.It leaves room for a proper monster down the line like a kit for a gholem of grungni and grimnir
>>98820297>Glad to see the throne isn't that big either.the price won't reflect that :)
>>98820310My wife often says the same thing.
>>98820261Alright, fucko. Since you don’t seem to get it, let’s do this then. Clanshields on 28’s. Hjulda on 32. If it gholems were on 60’s then it would also look like almost 2 of Hjulda’s base could fit on the gholems but it very clearly doesn’t.
>>98820322I really couldn't care less. SUFFAH BISH
>>98820372>gets thoroughly owned >falls back on some stupid catchphrase Clearly you cared enough to adamantly call me a retard and try to prove me wrong. Take the L, lil bro.
>>98820219alongside demigryphs and soulbound cogforts
>>98819998>>98820106you say that until they start speaking
>>98820106the words of someone with no experience
>>98819799I don’t see the resemblance
>>98820383You're the one staking your entire reputation on being the measurement guy. I don't care. They do seem to be 50mm now.
>>98820180>>98820196Sc seems like a waste, stormcast players have access to dirt cheap units on ebay anyway. Especially annihilators thanks to dominion
>At delve bottom, a long basin of water rested in a vaulted stone cavern. At first I feared we had missed Azhmon’s stores of Aqua Ghyranis, but it was only a bathhouse. The pool ran the length of the chamber, a quarter mile, penetrated here and there by fingers of earthfire that hardened into steaming stalactites where they stabbed the rippling mirror. Corpses bobbed in the crystal waters, the red of their vigour swimming to me like tendrils of ink, drawn by my gravity.>I clanked to a knee at the pool’s edge, cupping my hand in the waters. I had wanted a bathhouse, as a child. At a certain age, a foolish age, it had been all I dreamed of. It hadn’t mattered how poorly defensible bathhouses were, or what little leverage they offered to allies and rivals. Sharing the bathhouse with my kin would have been enough. Anything would have been enough, so long as it was more than the nothing I had known.>When Delve Geruun died, nothing would be left of this. An earthquake would crack the pool’s basin, and the water would leak into the crevices of the realm. Ten years from now, or ten hundred, that water would bleed back to the surface of Aqshy, to soothe the cracked lips and parched throat of some mortal. None who tasted its flows would ever know where it had come from. None would know that this eternal water had been reborn from the dead dream of Heldanarr Fall, who had finally found his bathhouse.He only wanted to be a pool boy...
I'll be honest I like the idea of FINALLY there being dwarves who are essentially the Old dwarves uniting all of dwarfkind and working together to build a better tomorrow for their people,Also cannot wait for Valaya to come back, No I dont care that Grimnyr got disenchanted, and Grungi left for a pack of cigarettes and never came back I want Valaya their mother godess to lead them forward and let the Khazalite Holds be thee Dwarves THE DWARVES that I grew to love in Warhammer Fantasy....... NEXT to the Chaos Dwarves but we already have the Helsmiths so :Deither way I cannot wait to have their army box too and thus start collecting Dwarves like infinity stonesGranted I probably am first making a HUUUUGE Destruction army with my Ogors since they are actually quite versitile lookwise (seriously even the OLDER models like Okar's Torbad and Mournfangs have quite a suprising amount of customization which I enjoy the new ones too very awesome)add in the Giants (atleast the boss stompers) and THEN KRAGNOS!Afterwards I'm free to do DA REST :D
>>98820544>Grungi left for a pack of cigarettes and never came back He's back and the other gods save Grimnir are too>>98820537What a worthless sequel.
>>98819634Is it really “being a grog” if there’s a legitimate reason for it like you say?
>>98820544The problem I have is that for several editions their has been a growing united duardin narrative that was completely thrown away in the release of the Khazalites. Grombrindal and Grungni had repeatedly been shown as working towards something knew and learning from the past failures of the Khazalid Empire to build something new, then we get Khazalite Holds that are as their newly released rules show just back to grudges and traditions.It was entirely feasible to explore classic dawi with the Old World and use AoS to define something a little bit more, though perhaps we will see that as things unveil further and we get more information.
>>98820569The problem with the "New ways" is that while SURE the gods CAN try to find new ways but I dont want my stompy alcoholics to be just "Oh yeah greedy inventors" or "Oh yeah mercenaries EVEN TO CHAOS if they give them Ur-gold" (to restore their god)If I have to choose between these factions I'll say frick both factions and I'm joining whoever is closest to the Dwarves of old because they maaay have had greedy moments, angry just murder everyone till the grudge is settled, and mercenary moments, but they werent THIS badly divided,now I understand what you suggest and having characters like Grombrindal and Grungi trying to find a new way for the dwarves IS a good idea but I'd preffer my mountain dawi be back in the mountains doing great things and improve things upon themselvesWith Thorgrim being back (this time as an ancestor god) it is plausable since he isn't an angry "Lets murder everything" person even while a mortal he was like "....Do we REALLY need to killeverything for this small problem?" he was a reasonable rational dwarf who GENUENLY was settling Grudges, sometimes with blood other times with gold but Dwarves were moving FORWARD with him while still holding on to tradition.We can have both moving forward and keeping tradition at the same time.
Inb4 clanshields are on 25mms like arkanauts
>>98820636>golems are 40mmKill me!
>>98820537Still waiting for a paper back release since I couldn’t get a hard back
Random screencaps of WD. Big Gorf is a good big boy.
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>>98820472Same style of drawing faces, particularly expressions. Converted the open/V neck armor of the gaunt summoner to the same high-collar cravat/ascot that every single hazbin hotel character has. From what's visible, they did the same thing to the sleeves. Same stylization of the figure, based on the full body drawing of the gaunt poster last thread. This is not a critique of the art style, but there were multiple decisions to go off-model for the Gaunt Summoner to fit it into the hazbin hotel style.
>>98820474>>98820800Responded to the comment above yours by accident.
Did a face for the first time in a while
>>98819586They look cool, but I wouldn't use these as Black/Barrow Knights. Not nearly enough armor. I am excited for when they eventually refresh the Tomb Guard though because Tomb Guard look sick.
>>98819905Did they really need to engrave a cartoon crown on the actual crown he's wearing? Have these people never heard of a "hat on a hat"?
>>98820627Reject ugly new army, buy TOW Ironbreakers.
>>98820898It's the dwarven rune of kingship, but I agree it's better done by the actual crown already being that shape. Should've filled the space with a gemstone or whatever the fuck if they really needed toPretty easy fix though
>>98819487Anyone go to the Warhammer store this past saturday for the new mini program? Is it required to paint the mini there too? It seems like it'd take a lot of time.
>>98820942I'm stopping by tomorrow, I'm curious too
Anyone here with a Wilderfiend that can help me out? I'm looking at some (blurry) instructions for it, and it seems like you can largely build it without most of the tribal ornamentation. Is this true? I'd like to use one for a conversion, and the fewer fetishes and severed heads that are required, the better.
>>98820952Let me know after you do.
>>98821063Both wrists and the entirety of the loincloth are darkoath/chaos themed (demonic faces on armor plates and severed heads) are part of the model itself and there will be large holes in the mini if not attached. The necklace is optional.
>>98821107Thanks. I think I can work with that. It's still gonna be for a chaos thing, anyways.
>>98819694THE BARROW KINGS ARISEMY ANCIENT CELTO-ITALIAN WARMONGERS UPON THEIR CHARIOTS
>>98820758i have not read previous ones. are the idk the usual npc faction in this, or do they have something interesting going on?
>>98820053>all through history humans have built new cities on top of the old, so some ancient cities can't be excavated or else you'd have to evict a million arabs>in fantasy, the skeletons buired in the ancient catacombs come to life and physically evict you from the city you built on top of their cityLol
>>98819842THAT'S GOIN IN THE BOOK
>>98821146Did the proto Italians (non Romans) or non British celts even use chariots?Or was that just a British Celt thing?
>>98821155In real life when the people who live there first try to evict the new people moving there, my government gives the new people ten trillion dollars and Hollywood PR
>>98820879Been enjoying your stuff anon, good shit>>98821107The wilderfiend is a pretty underrsted kit imo, gets hard done by because the default face option is kinda goofy
>>98821155>in aos the undead necropolis gets built underneath the city by the same undead workforce that helped build that city hundreds of years ago, and then the superskeletons of the necropolis come to the surface to tax everyone in the city
>>98821155I mean, Anglos built atop the ruins of Roman colonies. Doesn't have to be an eviction, just a different approach. Anglos thought shitty hill forts were better than Roman stone walled camps so they piled soil on top of them kek
>>98821379If the camps were so good, how come the anglos ended up being there in the first place?Checkmate romano-britons.
>>98821312Ty. Also the wilderfiend has two face options if you don't like the exposed gums. They look the same, it's just one has the gums pulled back, and one doesn't.
>>98819591They do that sometimes, ogres had their extra reveals stretches out across three more weeks too.It helps keeping the hype going until release probably.
>>98819591aren't part of the new army box and the book accompanying them all is still far enough to justify spreading the news, apparentlygotta keep up the train with a little bit of coal every now and then instead of throwing it in all at once
>>98820085Well no shit that’s two different armies
>>98819586>kavalos are so bad they're forgottenThey look cool, shame they and the chariots are so bad in TOW. Guess both team's designs can't figure out what the fuck to do with chariots.
>>98820569>a growing united duardin narrative that was completely thrown away in the release of the Khazalites.Oh shit you got the battletome? Can you post it
>>98821772Archer Cav is pretty decent. They can still tie up/kill a warmachine in close combat, they are fast for your army and they get good chip damage in always hitting on 5's.
>>98819668They look much better painted like the classic tomb kings for sure.
>>98819842>extremely limited range for a meager unexciting buff, ramp mechanic in a mega lethal game and incredibly pillowfisted weapon profiles.Make sure you pick up 3 boxes instead of 1 when these drops, you'll need the extra models for when the points drop.
The exciting thing is, Tomb Kings cav coming now confirms perfectly what the rumor monger who said Bretonnia is next in line for the refresh.
>>98819842Boy another massive checklist of rules, just like CoS.
>>98821781Nta but I mean we already know they're pulling some bullshit "they were hiding this whole time shit" instead of building on the established dwarf stuff.>>98821863This tomb king stuff is theoretically useful as sbgl or even obr proxies but what the fuck would you use bretonnian stuff for?
>>98821888>What would you use the bretonnian stuff forYou know exactly what to use them for.
>>98821897...fec?
>>98821863oh wow the next exciting thing is the most boring fucking thing ever. Neat.
>>98821897I think I have enough leftover nurgle bits for shit grimed armor for basing.
>>98821822I’m not a fan. I really think they should have incorporated ghost steeds or something for them, idk it’s just lacking. I’m sure people find some use for them though.
>>98821888>they were hiding this whole time shitYes that has been the lore of WFB vanilla dwarves since 1st
>>98821984Where exactly did the idea that they were all living in cities of sigmar even come from. As far as I remember you were either living in a city as dispossed because your hold got fucked up or you were one of very few known dwarf holds that haven’t fallen yet
>>98821938you should apply at GW with fucking retarded ideas like that
>>98822011Haha, yeah what a retarded idea.
>>98822005There’s three types of dispossessed according to what I know. ironweld Dwarves who distill and further their knowledge of engineering and warfare with the cities. And then there’s the regular ones who either helped build the cities of sigmar and live there, still live in mountain homes with the realm of Azyr, or found new homes or managed to defend the ones they had. The vast majority of them outside of Azyr are fucked however. It’s why every single time theres a dwarf involved in a story they’re either looking for their lost homes which are literally just lost or fell, or mad as fuck they lost one.This is what you would understand about the Duardin from reading the core books, Duardin novels in general, the white dwarfs about Grombrindal or his book, and Soulbound. That would also require you to give a fuck about AoS lore or literature. This is not the thread for that.
>>98822019tomb kings are not fucking ghosts
>>98821863I thought it was wood elves Vs tk?
>>98822042They’d actually be interesting if they had some however.
>>98821984These guys are specifically ones we didn't know about though, they were stuck in gazul's afterlife. Literal deus ex machina
>>98822056I mean isn’t the casket of souls kinda like that?
>>98822068>they were stuck in gazul's afterlifeWhere the hell did you get that from
>>98822040For a book titled "Grombrindal", it's surprisingly not focused much on the dwarf himself but instead just collection of dwarf stories and how they cope living in age of sigmar.
>>98822102I still think it’s funny the majority of his new lore is somewhere in a white dwarf which I suppose is fitting for the bastard himself
>>98822113There are some other places where a mysterious, wise, white haired dwarf helps someone and it's CLEARLY meant to be Grombrindal and then they just never follow up with thatIt happened in the 2nd Gotrek audiobook I think
>>98822040Imagine being an ironweld dwaf with a cushy job making guns & cannons, drinking booze, and having a grand ole time with your human pals and your sixth cousin seven times removed is shoulder deep in rat and orruk guts trying to find his ancestor's karak in the middle of fucking ghur.
>>98822093The reveal show and subsequent QA
>>98819586tomb kings dont really do it for me but my good friend and longtime opponent loves them so im glad they're finally getting good new models for their basic unitspersonally im crossing my fingers that high elves get this level of a refresh
>>98822151I never believe anything those two dickheads say but fuck it do you have a timestamp
>>98819905i'm very dissapointed that this guys model isnt in that pose
>>9882216712:20 in the qa ish
>>98822093>>98822040According to Tumbledee and dum there’s a fourth type of dwarf who went to Shyish and got hidden by Gazul so basically the same shit unless that implies they’re still keeping Dispossessed as something separate until they do shit like update the longbeards and their lore is yeah they saw the Khazalid and were like that’s cool let’s join
>>98822158>personally im crossing my fingers that high elves get this level of a refreshChrist, I hope they do not. What a waste of good miniatures to be lost for over-designed CADslop.
>>98822068>ones we didn't know about thoughNot if you read this book
>>98819842looks kinda like the old votann grudge rules. seems fine, definitely better than helsmiths demonic power since it looks like most units only need 1 to power up. im really waiting to see how well they integrate the slayers with the regular dwarfs, if it actually functions well as a single army or if its playing walled garden keyword bingo like gloomspite gits and only pretending to be a single army
>>98820534stormcast players are also extremely gun shy about making any purchases now too since GW seems to be axing entire wings of their army at randomspeaking as a stormcast player myself im not making any buys for the army until 5th launches, becuase i feel like the headchopping is not done yet.
>>98822211>What a waste of good miniatureslol. lmao
>>98822211High elf spearmen and archers are dogshit. At least the old skeletons had some soul to em, these are straight trash.
>>98822218Grombrindal's first omnibus features them too
>>98822265i'd even say the swordmasters need a refresh too. their designs are good but the miniatures are literally one single piece of plastic, you cant even turn the heads.i find it hilarious that people complain about aos being monopose when this is what came before
Have you bought the Somalian women yet? They're for (You), dawlg. They're lit.
>>98822285Those are from the 8th edition starter set tbf. Was re-released for aos as spire of dawn for a while.I think they actually redid the ellyrian reavers from that box to be multipart randomly, so maybe they'll get around to these guys.
>>98822304https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPUrMMVGtX4they're the exact same ones packaged in the newer old world boxes too
>>98820180Imagine how many unsold NH boxes GW has collecting dust in their warehouse since their dogshit book dropped. Went from being one of the most popular factions in AoS to being the least popular in the game. From my own experience, and from speaking to other NH players, there isn't a single person who genuinely enjoys playing with or against this bedshit faction anymore. And you just know the battleforce will appeal to no one, because literally every single fucking unit looks exactly the fucking same, other than the coach and the named characters.
>>98822425The battleforce is supposed to have fucking nagash, so I guess if you ever wanted to play around with him it might not be a bad box. I think the other stuff was harridans, blade guys, chainrasps and a unit of spirit hosts.
>>98821904See, why are you asking questions you know the answer to?
>>98821432True>>98821377Pure soul at work
>>98822019Amazing idea! Why don't we also add Liche Priests and Ushabti to Vampire Counts while we're at it? It's so lame that VC doesn't have an Egyptian inspired theme. In fact, I also think it's super boring that my dark elf army only has dark elves in it too, which is why for years I've wanted treemen added to the dark elf army roster.
>>98822245These minis are the culmination of the 6th to 8th edition design philosophies. Yes, they are not Age of Sigmar minis. GW has come a long way, especially when it comes to making thin parts like spears, but it's just pure conzoomerism to think these minis don't look adequate or better in a rank and flank game.
>>98822603Immediately undermining my point is the fact that the spearmen are actually from 4th edition and not present in the photo above. Regardless, ad hominem - I may be retarded but my point remains. A block of spearmen would be fine on this table.
>>98822564Well back when I used to play fantasy I proxied ushtabi as crypt horrors for my shitily made lahmian list. So you’re not far off. >I also think it's super boring that my dark elf army only has dark elves in it tooUnironically this, even dark eldar have those weird animal slaves like the snake men, I think dark elves would be cool if they had some kind of external subfaction. The slaanesh stuff was nice for its time I guess now that I’m thinking about it. As for wood elves in dark elves, eh. Last I checked the treants and dryads pretty much already wanted to tear wood elves a new one. So that doesn’t work, they barely work with themselves.
>>98822603Notice how your image has no spearmen or archers>le consumerismYou're the one defending dogshit sculpts for no ascertainable reason
>>98822628Ghosts in TK makes as much sense as treemen in DE. Also the DEs had pretty distinct subfactions between the corsair half and the witch elf half, with some overlap for the monsters.
>>98822643I already responded to your first point, so you are already intellectually third place in this debate after me (now) and me (earlier).
Is this thread /aosg/?
>>98822649>Ghosts in TK makes as much sense as treemen in DE. You do realize that tk are capable of having spectral steeds in the rpg right? I think the tow rpg even has art of them. Fuckin hell they had them before as mummies or something similiar too in like 5e or whatever. I’m not even that big into fantasy and even I’m aware of this.
>>98822673Never made it into the table top because that goes against the fundamental way the army looks. >>98822667This is an image from the 2008 Warhammer (Fantasy) Online MMO. We're not a Warhammer community article, we don't have to pretend WFB doesn't exist to please corporate.
>>98822689No, this is an image from the DoK teaser from 2018>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYalTMkOGQU
>>98822667Since we’re on it, night haunt should be souped with ossiarchs and soulblight and fec should continue to share some kits moving forward.
>>98822716They reused art from the promo book for the DoK trailer, I used to beat off to the next page of the comic when I was 13. I do agree that it was a teaser though.
>>98822658You "responded" by simply restating your initial claim anon. High elf spearmen look like shit, I don't really know what else there is to it. They don't look as shit from afar because you can't see them as well I guess, that much is true. Not the greatest of arguments though.
>>98822776I'm asking you to have a little respect for a sculpt using the context of the time it was made. Dated? Yes. But does it look like shit? No. People paint them up in a modern style and they look good. Example, Lizardmen cold ones looked like shit, dark elf ones looked great, even through the lens of their release date.
The only valuable part of high aelves was order draconis
>>98821938Absolutely the fuck they should not. Ghosts have no place in Tomb Kings outside of the Casket of Souls.
>>98822844ntab but HE core infantry was considered to be some of the worst looking ones even when wfb was still alive, shut the fuck up
>>98822844>But does it look like shit? Noyou're going to look at that bannerman with his incomplete haft, holding his banner cattywampus leaning like he can barely keep it aloft with the concerned expression that he is desperately struggling to keep his balance and tell me those in any way look good? a BIG part of why fantasy failed was that it produced dogshit sculpts like the spearmen and then asked you to buy 60 of them this is a level of disingenuity i dont think i want to keep engaging with
>>98822844I'm sure they looked alright when they were released back in 2002 or whatever but in the here and now they look like shit. Mogged by the previous metal ones too.
>>98822947i remember trying to get into warhammer in the early 00s and still thinking they looked shit
>>98822889Fake news>>98822904GW can't paint faces, they look good.
>>98822983Great paintjob but it only solidified that these models are trash because even it can't save em. Look at his arm lmao.I'm assuming you got these as a christmas gift when you were a kid or something? Gotta say you're the first person I've seen going to bat for helf spears like this, that's gotta count for something.
>>98823008It's not mine, it's one of many decent results when you just Google them dawg. They're WFB minis from twenty, thirty years ago, I feel like the rest of you are expecting them to be something they aren't. They have nice flat surfaces, a little texture for that old clumpy Chainmail and a black wash, and they're roughly the right shape.
>>98823019This dude is from the 4th edition version, not the 6th edition one for sale right now. Much better imo.
all knife ears look like shit, as far as i'm concerned
>>98823162Trvth nvke
Finished my first rat ogre. I’m still thinking of what fur to do for the next two. Probably darker shades of brown. First model I painted that had a lot of skin and while I don’t think the skin is that great I still enjoyed messing around with different tones while painting it.
>>98823162Does somebody have the blightking edit
>>98823187Why not do a grey/black/white rogre? Or a lighter tan colored one? You'll only paint a single digit number of these, be greedy, have fun with them. You'll be doing brown clanrats for a million years after this.
>>98823162>SigmariteAccurate>SkinkThere's literally a lizard man unit whose name is abbreviated as "crocs" and have crocodile heads, my immersion is ruined
>>98820898Bro doesn't know how runes work
>>98823219I’m considering that scheme but I did just get the gore grunta and cygor contrast paints so I’m kinda itching to use them. I am planning on getting a second set of rat ogres and I’ll definitely give those another color scheme. Actually fuck it digits picks whatever the next rat ogre color is. I’ll leave it to chance
>>98823235Kroxis are fuckhueg tbough, so the immersion doesn't work either way.Unless you change it to boss-stomper vs kroxigor...
>>98823260Insane that you just mentioned cygor because I was scrolling on Instagram and a comparison post of all brown contrast paints just popped up before your comment. https://www.instagram.com/reel/DeZeleMN1iJ/?srtk=ejZtbmdlbTBkM3ZzI think cygor looks really good for Sigmarite skin tones btw, it has an excellent opacity and all the other contrast browns have a strong warm or cool undertones by the look of them so they're not good neutrals.
>>98823286Youre forgetting Bastian is the size of a primarch. It's that or a CoS ogre.
>>98823296>agrax anonymousLove that guys videos. I watch his YouTube shorts and that’s what I used to decide on what contrast paints I’ll get. I’m extremely excited to use cygor brown. I got gulliman flesh too so I’m thinking of using them both on the same ogre since I imagine the contrast between light skin and dark fur will look good. Side note: as a new fag I hear a lot of people shitting on contrasts paints. Is there any actual downsides to contrasts or is it just standard fa/tg/uy grumbling. I’ve been using contrasts and also standard paints and both have been a blast so far.
>>98822218Man, that’s a tacky ass font. Needs to be a size smaller too.>>98822425What changed though?
what army builder do you guys use? i think the one i normally use has become abandonware, seems to have missed a few updates now.tried switching to new recruit but their interface for aos is really terriblefuck i miss warscrollbuilder
>>98823379I just use the AoS app.
>>98823337First off, I think it's very important to be respectful of all paint jobs because this hobby is a very small community and it takes a ton of labor to get any paint on a mini at all. Even just a basecoated mini is something that I adore and respect you for.That said, I don't like contrast paint the same way I don't like stormcast. I had an initial knee jerk reaction to hate on them and the people who used them extensively, then I ended up having some fall into my hands and got familiar with them, and now I think they have a niche that they can really be quite lovely in but I also have some pretty legitimate gripes about them. Some people are stuck at that first stage, and are dicks, so they'll naturally be dicks to you about your use of contrast paint. Contrasts also can do this thing when applied too thickly where they'll pool kind of randomly on flat surfaces and give a 'chewed bubblegum' look.
Why don't they have beards? Fucking disgusting.
>>98823379Sigdex is the hot shit right now
>>98822425Good, waacfags who don't even like the faction should fuck off >And you just know the battleforce will appeal to no one, because literally every single fucking unit looks exactly the fucking sameCase in point.
>>98823408I actually don't mind at all if they're faemaele, I don't see any reason.why dwarves can't be black, I just don't want them to say that dwarf males can be beardless. That should be viewed the way cerebral palsy in humans is (rip Walter jr)
>>98823399Yeah in my limited experience contrasts work well for stuff that’s very uneven/jagged or stuff that you want to have a gradient. I tried it on a flag and it worked ok but not really great.personally I like the finer control of standard basecoat and layer paints but contrasts can be fun for doing certain patterns.
>>98823447Contrasts are like very thick ink, which means they have very nice intensity but they don't stay where you put them and have poor coverage. They're really useful when thinned or airbrushed for tinting a mini that is already basecoated, which is why they recommend putting it over a sort of matching tone colored primer.
>>98823459>poor coverageDepends on the contrast imo. I use contrasts mostly for my base coats and inking combined
How many factions would die if Sigmar lost? I’d imagine Hysh might be relatively safe with them two idiot twins but Ulgu is getting fucked from Slaanesh getting freed in this scenario
>>98823508Uh everyone?
>>98823399Personally I use contrast exclusively as a wash.
>>98823520Nah, Nagash would win.
Trailer opens with text SIGMAR LIEDThe l shifts into a dSIGMAR DIEDCut to female stormcastShe solemnly saysCARNAC WON AGAINThunder soundsEnd trailer.
>>98823557Nagash winning means everyone dies, yes.
>>98823562Propaganda and lies, Nagash's realm has non-undead populations co-existing with their deceased counterparts.
>>98823520Greenskins eventually die, right? Gorkamorka and sigmar fought to a tie in AoS so they're a step down from the chaos gods, if sigmar loses then theoretically so do they.
>>98823562Where's he gonna get more souls from then?
>>98823557Everytime he says that he loses harder than it was ever possible to lose. Atleast the guy who said that got the last laugh
>>98823504>>98823504Duality of man
>>98823577That was because he was too strong to win.
>>98823562Nah he's more Darkseid than Thanos
>>98823570As a means to an end the same way vampires are allowed autonomy. >>98823571Yes the orks are not invincible. It'd take time but eventually they too would be wiped out by chaos.>>98823574Other worlds presumably if he isn't satisfied ruling the realms with everything being stagnant & mindless death.
>>98819842No idea why you put the grudge mark on your units instead of the enemy units that attacked your dead dude.GWS tries so hard to gamefy Warhammer but don't do the basic...>>98820056He went full bald? I followed him in his mtg unboxing era, no idea how this dude is doing.
>>98823595Yes. Ruling everything by making everything mindless undead puppets. That's even worse than Thanos who just wants to kill everything.
>>98823424what’s a waac
>>98823408>cannon>12" range>no rend>1 damagei hate 4e. i hate 4e so much
>>98823602Crashing and burning because he false flagged the wrong youtube channel. >>98823611But he doesn't. His realm literally has people live in peace with their undead family members, much safer on average form chaos invasion, and offers a larger variety of professions than any other realms.
>>98823619"Win at all costs", a term which gets used to describe "someone who cares about the rules at all".
>>98823571Was that an actual all out fight or a friendly bout? I think individually they’re a match for each other, it’s only when they gang up that would be the issue
>>98823630Again, they're a means to an end to serve him. He would kill them all & enslave them at the drop of a hat if he won.
>>98823623Honestly pretty expected for a hand cannon. They're not rifles and they're not proper artillery. The only part that looks weird is no rend, but instead they have auto wound on a crit which is... Eh. 3+/3+ is pretty great, though.
>>98823640But he did win, and yet people in Shyish live perfectly fulfilling lives.
>>98823611
>>98823643That's not winning. Nagash wants EVERY SOUL owned by him. Under his thumb. That means everything dies when he wins. I don't know how you miss his whole deal so hard. The guy literally tells Sigmar this & tried getting him to join him on this promise when they first fought.
>>98823642They're blunderbusses, not sure why people keep thinking they're cannons
>>98823632>>98823619there are levels to waacfaggotry. its not just one thingthe lowest level, which takes effort not to end up in for most players, is just a player who cares about what is currently strong in the game and builds their list around itthe next level is players who look for rules exploits or wonky janky interactions that are technically legal but dubious or obviously cheese. if you ever feel like you are about to push your glasses up and "ummm ackschtually" somebody mid game, you might be in this level. the level beyond that is actively looking for gotchas to disqualify your opponent during an event. very few people fall into this category because it requires extremely high levels of game knowledge but equally high levels of malicious intent and unsportsmanlike attitude, so it is not common outside of high level tournaments, and frankly pretty rare in aos all together, more found in the 40k scene where there are actual stakes like prize pools and team sponsorships. people in this category will often look for things like incorrectly modeled wargear or improper base sizes and attack those as a means for disqualifying their opponent. the final level is outright cheating. either knowingly fudging rules, mismeasuring things or nudging extra inches on movement, or even going as far as to bring loaded dice or knock dice rolls. this is actually more common than the previous levels, because it requires less game knowledge and is less confrontational, but also carries the highest consequences, and cheaters who get caught are usually ostracized from the hobby entirely.
>>98823655>The whole Malign Portents deal is not winningYou're moving more goalposts than Sigmar himself.
>>98823670and i would add onto that, the first level should carry no stigma UNLESS your opponent is a brand new player learning the game or the opponent has explicitly expressed a desire to play a more relaxed casual game. if either of those things are true and you still bring a sweatlord list, then it becomes a problem.
>>98823679You're in denial. Winning means winning everything. Achieving the whole goal of the setting's story end. Winning the constant endless war. Not just achieving a small goal of ruling a realm.
>>98823679Malign Portents was a loss, though. Skaven ruins his plans although it's obvious it would never work. Nagash is the jobber. He began AoS fucking dead and that was his peak
I don't into warhammer, how does age of sigmar differ from the normal warhammer setting, is it like a different time period, or is it a different continuity entirely?How do the seraphon differ from normal warhammer lizardmen? Both lore wise and visually. Are there multiple generations of seraphon figures the same way there are for the lizardmen and slaan or whatever, where each one has a different set of visual design elements?t. Mesoamerican history autist who saw the serpent cheek swirl motif on the dragon's armor in the OP pic
>>98823408yet another retcon by the woke mob absolutely discontent to hehehe not only ruin their own works ahem if they have any but to corrupt the works they have never been a part of! it's as that venerable master of literature we know well Tolkien said: evil can only corrupt it cannot create
>>98823692>>98823698Ok, now combine these two arguments. Is nagash waac
>>98823836>is it like a different time periodseveral thousand years, multiple apocalypses, and one planet explosion after warhammer fantasy, yes. >or is it a different continuity entirely?same continuity, just much later in the timeline, in a psuedo magical solar system of elemental planes. if you are familiar at all with dungeons and dragons planar cosmology, its somewhat similar to that>How do the seraphon differ from normal warhammer lizardmen? literally the same guys. when the world exploded they got on pyramid space ships stargate style, left the planet, and in the age of sigmar have re-entered the world by landing their ships and spawning new populations of lizardfolk. temporarily used summoned construct lizardmen to fill the gap till new spawning pools were completed. some of the old characters like lord kroak are even still around.
>>98823836Warhammer Fantasy, or Warhammer the old world as it is now known, is a rank and flank game (square based models that are in a block formation) set in what is basically a fantasy version of earth. There's, like, elves and Lizardmen, but there's also armies that are just Chinese people with kites and dragons. Age of Sigmar is the rebooted setting, and is played in skirmish formation (circular bases that don't have to be locked into rows). Its setting is likewise less restrictive, and it takes place in a more fantastic world made after an apocalypse destroyed the old world. The Lizardmen are canonically the same species, with them getting loaded up onto flying ziggurats and beamed into the new world. It's been thousands of years though, so only a few of the characters (like the mummified lich Lord Kroak) are still around.
>>98823836Warhammer's fantasy setting performed financially poorly so it was rebooted in 2015 as Age of Sigmar. Age of sigmar has some major differences in design philosophy and lore as well as many units that became unsupported by the rules, so there were always a group of people who original Warhammer back. In 2024 they started supporting the original format of the game as The Old World, set in a time period much before the age of sigmar happened.
Kruleboyz need more apes
>>98823836If you're the same Meso-Anon that I'm thinking of then you're one of my favorite posters on this godforsaken website. Loved reading your long posts about central american history, they were/are great.
>>98823836Khorne also has some meso American influences in aos, but that’s mainly isolated in some hero’s/an underworlds warband.
>>98819487>TqDaemon prince, whatever tzeentch units we can steal, furies and raptoryx. And belakor and archaon. I think raptoryx and furies compete for the same space and aren't very good, but it's nice that there's options for cheap and thematic flying monkey units to round out an army. Furies can even get a chaos mark iirc.
>>98823986>pic related
>>98824002One of my favorite UW bands, look-wise. Wonder how they play.
I love how AoS gave in-lore political/philosphical/religious beef between their dragon civilizations.Stardrakes and Dracoths are original azyrite Dracothion's spawn, culture of monks and sages, practically more elementals than physucal beings, who regect materialismWhile Draconith rejected these ideals, and formed a cukture of ambitious sorcerers and warriors, who migrated down to Ghur to conquer land and revel in the material riches, turning into more flesh-and blood creatures.Stardrakes were dissaproving so hard, that They didn't even helped Draconith when they were genocided by Kragnos' rampage, because they thought this fall was entirely self-inflicted by their avirice and bloodlust. Meanwhile surviving Draconith were convinced that Stardrakes are haughty and arrogant traitors.And now they're forced to work under one sigmarite banner after Krondys signed Decree Draconis. Must be extremely awkwardOriginal post by:@Lizardbrainiak
>>98819572You’re right, that is pretty jarring, Jesus.>>98823836Lol, I just saw you in another general on another board. You really aren’t kidding.
Is Ignus Sharn's neck piece inside his coat collar supposed to be his skin or part of the shirt? I honestly can't tell.
>>98824237looks like it's the same colour as his gloves so i assume leather but could be painted either way
>>98824274I figured skin since there doesn't appear to be like shirt neck wrinkles on the model up close. The gloves are more leathery colored.
>>98824237you can actually see just the tiniest sliver of where the undershirts collar line is just above the vests top button, so i would think its meant to just be skin
>>98824237Definitely his collar. Too thick to be a beck and doesn't have "throat sculpting", like the noticable V and Adam's Apple.
>>98823602>no idea how this dude is doing.HEEEE'S HAVING A ROUGH GO, THERE, BUDDY!HE'S KEKED!HE'S HOPELESS AND COPELESS!HE'S IN JERMINAL DECLINE!He's angling for lolcow of the decade and it's a beautiful thing to witness, we now have a full-blown Jer-felting Industrial Complex in action, and he embarrasses himself on a WEEKLY basis. Look it up. HOURS upon HOURS of content.
>Chorfs & Dorfs both stack points onto units for buffs>But Chorfs burn out over time while dorfs only get stronger
>>98824327That can easily be the collarbone itself.>>98824370Maybe. Or they could've got lazy with the throat sculpt.
>>98824430Something something self-destructive nature of chaos. Something something new codex/Grand Alliance: Order bias.
>Original post by:@Lizardbrainiak
>>98822741No, they didn't. I have the physical comic book from the collector's edition. It's totally different
>>98823867I remember when this fuckwit cried that 'proper' WH dwarfs had beards back when Helsmiths dropped.
>>98824705My phone fucking Sucks. went to edit a typo and it ate women from the post. Getting the pig grease and orange dye brb.
>>98824664I'm ngl I just started making shit up at some point
>>98824806i appreciate the honesty
>>98824809>Honestly, I was lyingI don't think my honesty is really that commendable here
>>98824824one could always double down and just further the deceit, so owning up to it is a nice changefor your virtue i will only be taking one of your testicles
>>98823836>I don't into warhammer, how does age of sigmar differ from the normal warhammer settingAge of Sigmar is the normal Warhammer setting. It is the original Warhammer timeline, which has advanced into a postapocalyptic high-fantasy age. The Old World, as the name implies, is the "Horus Heresy" equivalent for Warhammer fantasy, a specialist game delving into the lower-fantasy pre-apocalypse history of the setting using primarily rereleases of squatted minis.
>>98824705I think he just mistook the women for beardless men. Easy mistake to make to be fair.
>>98823660>looks like a cannon>is called a shotcannon>"why do people keep thinking they're cannons"AoS has a hateboner for cannons specifically anyway in terms of rend and damage, just look at leadbelchers before they got sent to hell
>>98824827>for your virtue i will only be taking one of your testicleswould Morathi say this
>>98823408Why are they carrying hand held vacuum cleaners,
>>98824886They've described them as functioning as blunderbusses from the very start though.People should try reading.
>>98824890Autumn is hell on the front halls of the holds. Leaves everywhere.
>>98824895And behind every leaf, a potential aelf.
>>98824895Putting the women on cleaning duty is a bit sexist and dated innit?
>>98824893they should've just called it a scattergun or whatever thenyou can't fault people for looking at a warscroll calling it a cannon and it looking like a cannon
>>98824887No, it leaves her no room to move. She wants to have a constant threat hang over you
>>98824104I like how that femcast looks
>>98823836All the fantasy lizardmen went into space, then they all died except for the Slann. The Slann can dream the lizardmen back into existence for battles.Sometimes the dreams stick around and become real again. Or something.
>>98819487He's back, baby. And he evolved.Who's that Seraphon?!
>>98823836Holy shit mesoamericanon, how are you still here? I checked /his/ the other day and it was even more a shithole than I remember.Seraphon are one of a handful of armies to make the transition from warhammer fantasy to age of sigmar largely unscathed. They had a brief period where they were like crazy celestial order daemons, but nowadays they basically function the same as lizardmen did back in the day.For most of aos' history the seraphon were just using the same lizardmen miniatures as whfb, so visually too nothing changed. However a couple years back (2022 or so) a big part of the range got refreshed, so now it's a mix of older whfb miniatures and very modern ones.The new miniatures didn't really change much about the general aesthetic though. I guess the newer ones are slightly more "ancient aliens magitek bullshit" and slightly less "primal" but it's only a slight shift all things considered.
>>98824104I can assure you, gw isn't thinking about stuff like that at all.the draconith are unrelated to the stardrakes because the draconith are a separate wave of models and stardrakes are on the chopping block, and they didn't help them out because lizards had to because kroak was getting released at the same time
I finished Blood of the Godeater. It was fine.
>>98825096Yeah, it's just filler. Feels like a scrapped draft for the first book more than a sequel
Has this article title ever been surpassed?https://web.archive.org/web/20210528072231/https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/05/24/get-to-know-kragnos-the-grumpy-god-who-tried-to-rage-smash-all-the-eggs-in-the-mortal-realms/
>>98823867Has this guy ever shown his army?>>98824878I tracked down the video out of curiousity. Nah, he knows they're women. He's just an absolute lorelet despite it ostensibly being his job:>mind you, dwarfen females [in warhammer] have beards too>but you wouldn't expect somebody hired at GW in 2025 to *know* that, would you? *snorts*Kek
>>98825147So what has Kragnos been up to lately?
>>98825163stuck in lizards-fighting limbo and only getting out once in a bad moon
>>98825150>Has this guy ever shown his army?Nope.From what I recall him saying:>He played WFB>He played Skaven>He was a WAACfag>He hated painting and just dunked all his models in dip
>>98825168Color me surprised
>>98825150Sometimes old really be bad
>>98825168also, he claimed that he never had a full 2000 points army.
>>98825150lmao even secondaries should know what femdwarfs look like considering Age of Reckoning was a thing.Not to mention all the depictions in WFRP he supposedly cares about.
>>98824430I wouldn't think to hard about it since the baseline chorf mechanics are just sort of dogshit. The only decent way to play them is with Taar's Grand Forgehost, which straight up cuts your list building options in half.I sure do love playing a factions that's hardly a quarter of a functional range.
>>98825198He strikes me as the "gets all his lore from reading 1d4chan" variety of secondary.
>>98825223im pretty sure 1d4 is more accurate than him at times
>>98824104You just made that up. They don’t have beef
Probably not 40k but that's all I got
Here's your khazalite holds banners bros
>>98825298That's odd. Is it meant to be some tentacle creeping out from the tomb ?>>98825306I wonder if khazalids will get decals
>>98825320>I wonder if khazalids will get decalsThe banner detail doesn't look sculpted on but on the other it looks like freehand. Guessing not.
>>98825323the reboxed whfb old world dwarfs got new transfer kits, im sure you can snag some of those cheap enough
GW failed us
>>98825342Yeah GW sell a fancy one but every kit comes with more simplified transfers as well, plenty of those around for all your rune and dwarf iconography needs.
