Look how they massacred my boy
>>10971003Transformers toys haven’t been good since The Last Knight.
I wonder how just doing reissues would work. Pretty much everything from Animated and Prime is a side grade at best.
>>10971012Plus they could fix the stingers on the old bee that don't fully fold inI heard later copies fixed, but I've never seen proof
>>10971003Dear god, that thing on the left is hideous. Broken-ass feet, giant bobblehead piece of trash made out of butter
>>10971003>everything must be made to look g1>except cybertronmake it make sense
>>10971010I think you mean Revenge of The Fallen.
>>10971003Which pic is the massacre? I guess right has a nice face.
>>10971082It wasn't a very good figure either. Poor poseability and the arm joints have a nasty habit of breaking.
>>10971096Override, Starscream, and Hot Shot were Takara guys doing their own thing. Originally Override was going to be forked from Hot Rod but the ones overseas realized they could make a new one for the same amount of work.
>>10971012It wouldn't bother me so much if they went further on the CHUGification, but as-is Bumblebee in particular has a very cartoony face so it just looks like an awkward redo. Prowl fares better but has its own issues. Optimus is solid.
>>10971082>>10971101Found the geewunners
>>10971127G1 Bumblebee doesn't even have a face
>>10971096It's obvious, from Animated onward it became a regular thing for the animation studios to design the figures. Before then, it's still Hasbro/Takara's in-house style. Exceptions being the TFTM cast and the Beast Machine show designs staying entirely off the toys.
>>10971128You're thinking of Ironhide and Ratchet.
>>10971165Cool eyes, nose, and mouth.
>>10971168It's a faceplate.
>>10971100No, I mean TLK. I can't remember anything about AoE, but I know Dark of the Moon and the end of Prime, and RoiD were the peak.
>>10971165Rubsigns are fucking annoyingI already know the faction
>>10971180It was to make them less convenient to bootleg.
>>10971148Studios never had control of toy designs. Early animated is a great example of this were the initial character designs paid no attention to how hard a transformation would be to engineer, while once the design teams started talking more the designs started to translate much better.Compare abortions like wave one Starscream to later figures like Wreck-Gar and Blur>>10971175Prime and dark of the moon were the beginning of the downscaleing and simplification of the figures. You can't deny that the prime figures were significantly dumbed down and shrunk from the level of prior lines. All while beginning the price hikes.
>>10971185They weren't that expensive.
>>10971185Animated had back and forth between the designers. The initial wave also included Prowl and Lockdown. Starscream was just a lemon.
>>10971187Irrelevant. They still brought less plastic for more money for both the deluxe and voyager price point.>>10971188And Lockdown was wildly inaccurate to his design. Can't dis hits like prowl and optimus though. Optimus is still a great figure despite the weird knees.
>>10971194They definitely did cost-cutting measures with the plastic and paint, but the layout and going from a relatively normal vehicle to TALL is intact. Also the wrists design flaw, but that isn't really a show/toy accuracy thing.
>>10971185>Studios never had control of toy designs.I'm talking about the character designs. Hasbro/Takara internally would not have done the movie/Animated/Prime, etc designs.
>>10971210If you compare early Beast Wars to Armada, they are pretty much incompatible in terms of design despite both being Hasbro. In-house style isn't consistent since people shuffle out. Like compared the Classics/Universe versions of the same characters to ones made in the 2020s.
>>10971175>>10971185TLK had a few hits (Megatron, Cogman, Nitro Zeus, Hound) but there's an undeniable decline that began after ROTF and HFTD. You'll never see anything on the level of Leader Prime or Starscream at retail ever again.
>>10971210They literally showed the design process at Botcon when they revealed Animated. Everything was done in house by Hasbro, and the toys were designed at the same time.
>>10971165Anon said “face”, not “head”
updates of any toyline post-armada pointlessyes hasbro give me a vector prime that looks objectively shittier than the old one just because I’m a poorfag retard who doesn’t know how to use ebay!!!
>>10971003That looks pretty solid to me.
>>10971714until you realize the toy on the right is 2x more expensive
>>10971715$25 in 2024 is equivalent to $8 in 2008.
>>10971560Yes, but the sculpt and look of those toys are based on the artwork that the TFA character designer made. Cybertron and previous serieses still fit with the G1 characters design-wise because they are just normal Takara designs with a bit more 2000s flair. Putting the original Cybertron Starscream among Earthrise toys fits fairly well, while TFA or Prime Starscream have an entirely wildly different visual style and language that makes it clash horribly. That is why TFA Bumblebee needs to be G1Fied while TFC Hot Shot does not.
>>10971003He has feet now.
>>10971728>falling for the inflation jew
So many of these updates are fucking uselessHey, instead of doing Animated Hot Shot who literally never had a toy, why don’t we do Armada Hot Shot who already had a Universe/Henkei release that actually came with his minicon and Cybertron Hot Shot but with cheaper build quality??
>>10971003I'll be 100% honest. i didnt want this dude at first because hes a scout class figure at deluxe pricing. But I bit the bullet when I got him for like $18, and hes really incredible.Unique transformation, solid posing, and not a single piece of hollow plastic showing. They even went so far as to give him wrist joints and fill in his thighs WITH a screw. They even pinned his wheels, which is something they rarely do anymore.Out of all the figures they have released in this line, he's by far one of the better ones.
>>10971972Normally the answer would be because true Armada Hot Shot has never been tried, but this version has weird legs for some reason.Looking at who they decided to remake in Legacy, I wouldn't be surprised if Animated Red Alert happens before Animated Hot Shot.
>>10971100I think you mean Hunt for the Decepticons
Man was a bullet dodged.
>>10971978>They even went so far as to give him wrist joints and fill in his thighs WITH a screw. They even pinned his wheels, which is something they rarely do anymore.It's pretty sad that this is considered a nice surprise nowadays instead of the standard.>>10971972Animated Hot Shot is pretty much a nobody and the Universe toy was an absolute disaster. I don't think the Lgacy one was unneeded.
remember when this was one of the most popular releases of 2010? And how ROTF Lockdown still goes for big money? And both deviated way more than the Animated/Prime versions.Personally I don't mind, I prefered the classic JP influenced designs and always thought the American cartoons looked wonky.
>>10972010Because 2010 Lugnut isn't being billed as the same guy, just a similar guy in a different setting. Also it is really good as a toy and has a lot of fascinating details.
>>10971978His entire chest is translucent plastic get fucked
>>10972012>has a lot of fascinating details.Like being short?
>>10971010>Transformers toys haven’t been goodftfy
>>10972016That is a reoccurring thing for some reason. Probably will need to be Commander class to look about right.
>>10972022He needs to be an absolute unit
>>10971003I agree with anyone who says that Legacy's an improvement. Animated toys aged poorly the day they came out. First off, bless them for making the grandest of efforts to make the wonkiest designs into 3D, but there were still a vast amount of problems. Not just the general design inaccuracies, but also missing and/or botched features. Prowl couldn't stand because no ankle rockers, Blitzwing's lack of over-the-shoulder cannons, short scale Sentinel Prime, and Bumblebee's strange size and poorly-utilized stingers to name a few. Legacy's Bee really is just a result of better decisions thanks to the mistakes of the previous. The only thing i hated was the stingers, they couldn't point forward as in the cartoon, but focused on its feature of being fused together like in the toy. Had to fix that myself, sort of
>>10972039You must be high to think that's an improvement
>>10972012Then just imagine the updates as G1 versions of the animated/prime designs.
>>10972049Problem is they do neither. They look too animated to be g1, but too ugly and blocky to be animatedPleasing no one
>>10972008>and the Universe toy was an absolute disasterjust like the nu-hot shot
>>10972049Well Hasbro's most recent G1 Bumblebee toy is fucking awful, so might as well replace him with it.
>>10972055Legacy Hot Shot is a solid 6/10.
>>10972039>Unpainted fake bonnet feetEh.
>>10972058Hasbro got a fetish for redundant fake parts doing G1 remake toys to match the cartoon models in appearance instead of function so they put them in a lot of things.
>>10972055Not even close. The new one at least isn't a pain in the ass to transform, doesn't have back kibble that not even the designer knows how you're supposed to place and the shoulder articulation is serviceable. Even a mediocre figure is better than the Universe piece of shit.
>>10972059But the stupid thing here is that the actual front of the car is on the heels. Was it really too much to ask to use that in this case?
I wouldn't mind them if they looked like this
>>10972069that sari is way too hot
>>10972039Why do you even try knowing nobody will listen
>>10972069A decade late for ones like that to happen.
>>10972078I don't listen to bullshit, correct
>>10972047>>10972078What's wrong with it? The old one's proportions were all over the place, and it was a but oversized
>>10972088What's right with it?The legs are completely inaccurate and the feet are a joke.The torso is completely translucent plastic.The head is awkward and doesn't match g1 or animated aesthetics It fucking sucks.
>>10972057copius maximus>>10972061>The new one at least isn't a pain in the ass to transform, doesn't have back kibble that not even the designer knows how you're supposed to place and the shoulder articulation is serviceableYeah, instead now it just has a drastically shittier looking alt mode, cheaper looking unpainted hollow legs, and a DLC minicon. Yay!!!!
>>10972094It's still a better functional toy at a more appropriate size. I've learned that accuracy isnt always important if it clashes with something more important
>>10972105The torso being something easily breaks is a terrible thing.
>>10972105>half the size>double the price
>>10972095>Yeah, instead now it just has a drastically shittier looking alt mode, cheaper looking unpainted hollow legs, and a DLC minicon. Yay!!!!Nothing you said makes it worse. The Universe one is THAT bad. It's a Transformer you DON'T want to handle.
>>10971003so confused by this, which one do you think isnt shit?
>>10971003I'm confused. Which one is the bad one? Both look like melted american cheese.
>>10972015Sorry, im not a ham handed faggot retard so things like that dont bother me.
>>10971003I hate the new transformers aesthetic
>>10972130>it's cheaper>it's worse
>>10972208It has been that way since Siege.
>>10972172The one that doesn't have an entire torso of unpainted translucent plastic
>>10972248It is odd they used such a light color for it. Even G1 Bumblebee toys have tinted windows.
>>10972069agreed.
>>10972163>Nothing you said makes it worseLooking worse makes it worse. It doesn't matter how much better muh articulation is if the whole toy looks uglier.
>>10971012I really wish they'd just reissue the old Animated and Prime figures, giving then additional articulation (e.i. ankle rockers, wrist swivels, etc), ans possibly shrink/enlarge them to bring then closer to an accurate scale.On paper, that seems like it'd be extremely cheap and easy to do.
>>10971003Both look like shit and nothing like the on-screen character. The only real difference (aside from size) is the fact that the new one will crumble into dust in 10 years because some genius decided to make half of it in clear plastic.
>>10973071They would have to create all new moulds when it would just be cheaper to reissue the old figures.
>>10973071>On paper, that seems like it'd be extremely cheap and easy to do.It's not, it basically means reworking old molds and rebudgeting them, or reworking old CAD files and making new molds. KO companies get away with it because they're just using it as a way to get a quick start to a company, and aren't beholden to budgets decided by execs.
Both are flawed but good. Right has way too much clear plastic, and I fear for its longevity.
>>10973052>Looking worse makes it worse. It doesn't matter how much better muh articulation is if the whole toy looks uglier.Looks are subjective, the toy being a fucking mess to handle is not.
>>10973075How does the original deluxe not look like the character?
>>10972039Hard disagree, Animated toys were and are brilliant. I can't think of a single one I own that I don't like. I've got a Shockwave on my bureau just for the fun of transforming him.
>>10973399Do you have the self-destructing plane?
>>10972163I didn't have any problems at 5 with it.Don't know where this idea of Sideburn's mold being "guh too har to transfoorm" came from. That same 20 year old figure is still just fine to this day minus some slightly worn chrome.
>>10973536Uni Hot Shot's parts don't even have enough space in robot mode.
>>10973543Fuck, I thought you guys were talking about RID sideburn for some reason...
>>10973543That said I never minded the universe Hot Shot. Really anything is better than the og version and the universe versions is certainly better in several ways than the current one.
>>10972232Short squat dumpy proportions. Somehow in both robot and vehicle. I really miss the dynamic proportions of classics and universe 2.0.>>10971993Yeah... that's pretty much right.
>>10971003They should try and make the Cybertronian version.
>>10973560You just want one to recolor into your minor character wife.
>>10973565Interesting idea, but no. I just think it looks cooler. Though, if it were to get retooled into anyone, I'd rather have it be Wasp.
>>10973071I hated the old Animated toys. Every one I ever owned was a floppy mess that fell apart too easily.
>>10973504I still own a few because I still love their overall functionality and designs, but I still had to do away with a lot of them like lack of swivel wrists, ankle rockers and specific flaws like Blitzwing's lack of over-shoulder cannons, Prowl's inability to stand, plastic joints Swindle, undersized Sentinel, and the limited articulation shared by Grimlock and Lockdown. Chugway will always be the line's most ambitious and best damn toy ever, but I never liked its lanky loose legs. I will always love the energy from Animated, but it was still ever far from perfect imo. And yet I'm still angry that that no one ever really tried this whole thing out again, or at least since RiD2015
>>10971220Beast wars was kenner.
>>10973685Who was bought out in 1991 by and had their staff absorbed into what company?
>>10973644Animated shockwave was so fucking cool, both as a character and toyEvery day I hope that some third party will pick up the animated mantle, someday. There's so much potential with modern engineering
>>10973783A big hurdle is mold reuse. A lot of them were minor characters.
At least Legacy Animated Optimus is pretty good.
>>10973811The chest transitioning directly into the crotch kills it for me. That's not how Animated Optimus should look.
>>10973811They better remake this with Wingblade armor and give him a faceplate that time. Maybe Hydrodrive Bumblebee too if they want to reuse that mold aside from the inevitable Cliffjumper
>>10974162Completely forgot how ass the deluxe looked compared to the voyager. That waist.
>>10971003I took these new Animated TF remakes as intentional design changes to fit into current lineups of TF. Like that stylized and simple looks of the Animated show is too distinct to be next to say a Unicron Trilogy character. Plus it's easier to do mold reuse.Anyways I'm trying to say they didn't even try. Like how new G1 style toys don't look like the 80's cartoon art.
>>10973691Yes, but the beast wars design team was still kenner.
>>10973148>Looks are subjectiveno they aren't
>>10974197I've wanted this figure for years
>>10974247But the head does look too stylized
>>10975181But not as stylized...? They can't really change them that much and be considered the same character anyways Also that's the part they replace for another character.
>>10975647It doesn't match the rest of his body
>>10975759Because they wanna headswap and make other characters in the future if needed. If the body was stylized it's one time use garbage for Hasbro.
>>10975783Then they should've made the head more g1
>>10975860Then the Animated guys won't look like the Animated guys.
>>10972039>First off, bless them for making the grandest of efforts to make the wonkiest designs into 3Dgod forbid every single transformer not have the exact same boxy he-man body type. Legacy evolution's greatest sin is taking all of these iconic cartoon silhouettes and homogenizing them.
>>10973811de-DJYing his chin really pisses me off. he's well designed but he just doesn't look like the same character. surely some fan company's made a replacement head maybe i should snoop around.
>>10975885they don't now.
>>10975921They do. Relatively.
>>10975885I think the other sculpted details and deco alone do a good job of evoking Animated without needing more cartoony faces. Optimus turned out alright, but I agree with him that Bee and Prowl just look like they were afraid to commit what with the giant chins. If they do a Sentinel or Ultra Magnus (and I hope they do) I hope they take more after Optimus.
>>10975885He already doesn't. Body reminds me more of the battlechargers with a TFA paint
He's a better figure than the original, but he's too chubby, despite "feeling about right" with the others.He badly needs paint or stickers and panel lining though. (And my attempt here isn't good on the legs, I'll try again once I try some primer, see if I can get a more reddish yellow to apply in a thinner, but more even coat.)
>>10974162DNA design is giving it a kit making him worth owning for that.
>>10976633I refuse to pay $50 for accessories, which i ironically did one day when I found Wingblade Prime in stores. The original came with a translucent voyager with a non connecting torso again, which my 2nd Hasbro voyager didnt have. I gave the translucent one away and put the pack on my hasbro
>>10971003>tfw all new figures are just pretools for g1-slop
>>10977787Bumblebee doesn't seem like it. Like the listing for another character that comes from his mold would be Wasp, who is also Animated. Just gentrification.
>>10977116If you already have wing blade, that's understandable, but the DNA upgrade will form the rest of the fucking fire truck, not "hold my parts" prime.
>>10978454This sold me on the set.
>>10978454Bless them for trying. I think im still just bothered by lack of faceplate
>Animated forces its way into G1 designs>frequently if not always ruins them>"UM THIS IS JUST MORE CREATIVE SWEATY NOBODY WANTS A TOY THAT LOOKS LIKE SOME DUMB CARTOON">Animated characters are redesigned to look more like regular Transformers>"UM, THIS IS LITERALLY WORSE THAN HITLER, I CANNOT EVEN, I'M SO UPSET I'M HYPERVENTILATINGYou reap what you sow, chinfags.
>>10978476The only times that happened were Generations Blitzwing having rotating faces (when the main issue with the toy was the absolutely fucky connections so it wouldn't hold together correctly) Masterpiece Wheeljack's internal details of the head that aren't visible normally, and Road Rage's design being made visibly feminine instead of a straight recolor of Tracks.
>>10978636This has to be one of the most boring gimmicks on /toy/.
>could have made toys of any of the dozens of animated characters who never got figures>instead get worse versions of shit from 2008I can't wait for warden to come back so CHUG can go back to being mostly g1 instead of this garbage
>>10978662There was a company that tried doing some of the show-only characters, and it bombed horribly. In any case, just buy Wasp next year. He only had a toy of his Waspinator body.
>>10978476Bait used to be believable
>>10973071>On paper, that seems like it'd be extremely cheap and easy to do.Even straight reissues would be much more expensive compared to today's moulds as they've been cutting costs for years now. Making modified versions to add articulation would be even more expensive.>>10973075>the new one will crumble into dust in 10 years because some genius decided to make half of it in clear plasticThe vulnerability of clear plastic is massively overblown.t. been collecting since 2005, have hundreds of Transformers and I've only ever had one clear component break (on an Energon Snow Cat which was purchased loose). I've never had a clear figure that I opened from new break on me, neither figures like Micron Legend Crystal Convoy and the 2007 clear protoforms nor my beloved Animate Swindle who's been transformed maybe a hundred times.
>>10979804Really? Animated Swindle is one I heard can be found with cracked parts in packaging.
>>10978476Hey can we just have regular opinions please?
>>10979975There's cases but there's a bunch of factors to figure in. Keep in mind weather is different all over the US, so someone in swampnuts, USA with 120 degreee summers cooking plastic will be likely to run into issues than someone who kept their figures in climate controlled environments. I also think playing with them regularly helps more than it hurts, if you let things sit for 20 years without regularly moving the plastic they start to lose the elasticity that plastic has.
I wonder if its possible to tell which of the old deluxe Bees have the arms fixed so the stingers can fold completely away
>>10971003It's legit such a downgradeAlso this should have been in the /tfg/
>>10973565Anon how did you know?
>>10972059>>10972058IIRC, the original Animated Bee toy had a faux chest while the altmode car roof went to the back.
>>10973783>Every day I hope that some third party will pick up the animated mantle, someday.One of the Legends scale 3P's made a Wasp remold out of their Windcharger. It's in a 2 pack though.
>>10981828His chest isn't the roof of his vehicle mode in the show either.
>>10981828That's actually show accurate lel
>>10973560this
