Stories:By Greenswordsman>Sides of a Storyhttps://archiveofourown.org/works/83623251By Anonymous>Pranks for Nothing!https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/81994332/#82050675By Cosplayanon>Liminalityhttps://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/81673298/#81677740By Greenswordsman>The World May Never know™https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/81432621/#81442508By Greenswordsman>Quicksilver in the Windowhttps://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/81083073/#81083417By Raconza>Night Falls Over Hometown: A DeltaNoir Storyhttps://archiveofourown.org/works/77546651By Raconza>Without You in the Darkhttps://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/78166688/#q78219783By LizardBro>Wingman Chronicles 2https://rentry.co/hw7ruhqbBy Raconza>Dragon's Duethttps://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/76483080/#76493589By Indianon>Susie's Birthday Favorhttps://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/76323890/#76331238By Indianon>"Peeping Tomboys"https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/76264789/#76265420By Stinkin_Thinkin>Like a Broken Toy:https://archiveofourown.org/works/67190872--->The Game Where She's Fromhttps://deltarune.com/>/SUS/tories archiveshttps://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1nI5kjwhC_44dEeyeanKV8KUiGbdC8LEA>/sus/ archiveshttps://drive.google.com/drive/folders/17Qgvvtr2m4J-8Y30AFzCXBERWA_-YKc8?usp=sharing>Veth archivehttps://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Y5s7tN_xpgcFLKPomLA0UXK5i3k3kSjs--->Last Thread:https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/83334741/
>>83362953Thanks for the bake!
Made for each other
I'm going to make a prediction that Chapter 5 will do one of those "double-booked date" plotpoints for the festival. Straight after the fallout of Chapter 4, Kris and Susie agree to spend parts of the festival with Ralsei in the darkworld and agree to share their attention with Noelle in the lightworld. For parts of the festival, Susie and Noelle will be together while Kris is with Ralsei, and Kris and Noelle will be together while Susie is with Ralsei. This of course gives room to some coy shipping moments, but ultimately the plan ends poorly when Noelle feels like BOTH Kris and Susie are making excuses to spend less time with her.I can also see this gimmick lining up with the weirld route too. In the normal route, Susie insists on Kris going on the ferris wheel with Noelle just like when they were kids, and Kris desperately insists on Susie going up with Noelle instead to separate us from Noelle. Either way, Noelle clues in that something weird is going on and is offended that her two friends are scheduling around her like this. The fallout will perhaps tie into Plot B (Asgore...?) where Kris and Susie, dejected, try to focus on important happenings related to the prophecy and enter the flower-nippon darkworld.This prediction isn't a lock-in, but it feels apropos for Toby's style, especially his small, cutesy way of adding in random shipping moments. Obviously in the one screenshot Kris/Susie/Noelle are altogether, but I'm thinking this could potentially kick in sometime later into the festival (naturally they can't start this dumbass scheme straightaway). Hell, maybe even Ralsei gets fed up with this BS too. He's in the same boat of "divided attention" as Noelle here.
>>83362953Why the hell are there biplanes in this image?
>>83363182bisexual
Huge evil niggers invading hometown and susie has to defeat them all with a chainsaw
>>83363054wwalks into chapter 5
>>83363937They do be walking
>>83363182The battle of the plains of lexington. When the british came, they signaled with a lantern: one if by land, two if by sea.Many publications punned with three if by air (because of the "planes")
>>83363937Finished this faster than I thought I would
>>83364566hell yeah
>>83363161It's a nice thought, but Noelle has never actually shown any interest in spending time with Kris, she just goes>haha kris please leave>now
>>83351048>Twist of fateNo it was an intentional decision because Noelle and Kris fucking failed the first time around. That's why Kris has a replacement Soul, Susie is the Hero and Ralsei's got a constant tiredness in his eyes.
>>83364801I mean the whole point is that this plan isn't something Noelle would like anyways
2 weeks and we can find out where Susie spent the night last night.Please for the love of god tell me it wasn't the bushes outside the dreemur residence that would kill my soul.
>>83364801Hopefully Toby makes good on this last opportunity to make Noelle more than a cardboard cutout whenever Susie is around.I swear, she'd be my favorite character in the game if the Susiebowl didn't overshadow half her scenes.
>>83365179You know where.
>>83365179It seems that Kris might have jumped out after her, but it does make me wonder too. I'm glad it'll be one of the questions that gets solved nearly right away in 5 (fingers crossed)
>>83365281do you think susie touches her doll self
>>83364566Our gang nice!
What are the odds of a Flowey and/or Asriel connection in the next chapter's darkworld? I don't mean a direction connection to Undertale, but I do wonder if Flowey was ever a beta concept for an idea Toby planned for Deltarune proper. People have pointed out that there looks to be a flower stalking our gang in this teaser image.
>>83367701Question to me is why the fuck is there a SUN in the Dark World?That's a very bright Dark World.
>>83367737Asgore left the fucking blinds open
>>83367737I suppose dark worlds don't need to be literally dark. Light DOES exist in darkworlds technically, so it's possible for a world to be created that has a sun as part of its theme. It could also be a product of plants being the main inhabitants of the world, or some factor of the darkworld being modeled after Asgore.I do think this image is important for suggesting some anomaly, though.
>>83367737It could be a growlight. I'd suggest the TV, but it'd be weird if one TV became a sun when the other was Tenna.
>>83367858>a growlightAny chance we get Asgore growing weed somewhere?The secret boss is Asgore's weed stash he occasionally gave to Asriel and Dess.
>>83367877>KUSH WILL BLAZE, IN A HOTBOX OF SICKNASTY
>>83367957snoop dog and tupac will announce chapter 6 and guest star in it
>>83367957I mean if you think about it, where the hell did they get that weed? There's no growboxes at the Holiday household. Asgore needs to relax somehow.>inb4 the reason why Asgore was let go from being Police Chief was actually because Carol found he was selling weed to her daughter.And Susie will find the Kush and think Asgore is cool again (he needs a win. Susie liking him would be good.)
>>83368018He does kind of look like a Woodstock dad.
is weed even legal in the state that hometown is supposed to be in? I"m not familiar with most state laws
>>83368061DUDE
>>83368018I like to think Susie would like Asgore, but he'll have to contain his autism too.
Did anybody ever continue this checklist
>>83368117I believe so but I don't remember. Chapter 3 and 4 were such an overload for good content it would be hard to keep track of em all in a single run.We've really come a long way.
>>83368140the almost kiss/head nuzzle from the last batch really was sort of a nuclear thing that overshadowed any other possible krusie scene.
on one hand, showing Kris that we as the SOUL are willing to attempt to kill him and his friends when outside of his body is kinda fucked upon the other, krusie near-kiss scene wooo yeah wooo
>>83367737Remember what Seam said.
>>83368117>>83368140Ah, here's the one I had saved around July of 2025. I don't know how complete it is, but it should have most of the big ones.
>>83368061Square loser dweeb detected
>>83368194I like the self-characterization that we're kind of a mischievous fae-like creature who ultimately means well but our curiosity gets the better of us, and honestly that's pretty on-point for most players. I've already pushed Kris to go through the entire sword route, why not experiment now that the Kris sprite is freed from his digital world?
>>83368296I hate my annoying little fucker of a backup vessel, but I do want what's best for him.
https://deltarune.com/chapter4/thankyou/That was fast. Also next correspondence, just before Chapter 5 drops
INTERIM RESULThttps://deltarune.com/chapter4/thankyou/
Susie can act so sweet sometimes...
>>83368247Thank you anon
>>83367737As >>83367858 said, could be a grow light, or something else like it.There's also the possibility it's a repeat of the end of Deltarune's 3+4 release trailer with the hidden Titan reveal. Though, with Tricky Toby being himself, I don't know if he'd do the same trick twice.
>>83368204...what did they say?
>>83369167>There's also the possibility it's a repeat of the end of Deltarune's 3+4 release trailer with the hidden Titan reveal. Though, with Tricky Toby being himself, I don't know if he'd do the same trick twice.It's the fucking Angel then?
>>83369466>* Ah, your father? He typically comes here at night.>* He prays much for you, Kris... for Asriel, Toriel, Rudy... and his flowers, too.>* You should join your mother in praying for him, as well.>* The poor man. It seems the Angel has made a difficult path for him...
susie's big goddamn primus shrine
>>83370346susie's big goddam optimus prime shrine
>>83368247Just felt a moment of dread knowing there's a good chance these opportunities are going to decrease dramatically by the end of the next chapter.
goodnight sus
>>83371758Goodnight, anon
>>83368373I don't I want him deadsuicidal empathy is for morons
Susie loves humans of all races
>>83373919That comic is so goddamn good.
Things you never expected to see on Xitter dot com at three in the morning.
>>83373955artist?
>>83374023https://x.com/UKA1_1
>>83374031Really interesting similarities...
>>83373955>>83374031>>83374036We all yearn for the grey
>>83373955I always get whiplash whenever I see Vessel art outside of this thread. I sometimes forget that "Veth" actually is canon, it's just that their story is something we/Jelly created in the spirit of Toby's vision to create our own stuff.While some of us might have some anxiety of chapter developments forcing necessary story changes for Veth, IMO the way I see it is that we're getting closer and closer to a true-er Veth storyline.
>>83374042I don't really see there being a necessity to change much should something unfortunate happen to the "real" Vessel, it takes considerable precedence beyond a certain point or some other negative matter entirely unrelated. After all, the story that /sus/ made is one that deserves to be told by us, for us.
>>83374066>the ponytail>the sword>the nails very big fan
>>83368061Massachusetts? Yeah, since 2016 for recreational use.
I wonder if we'll get more eating shenanigans with them
>>83374620Did we get one for 4, too? I don't remember
>>83374620This scene's not in the old checklist for Krusie moments speaking of, but it's probably a bit out of date too
>>83368247A difficult option: get the Susie Smile by saying Kris will play again someday, or say Kris will teach her how to play? I have to go with the latter option because of important it seems to her as a character to get the chance to play piano again
>>83374647What of it?
>>83368247What do you rate more highly, goofing off with stickers or doing the specific item management throughout all chapters to have Susie call Kris the cooler one?
Why is Susie?
>>83368258Honestly I was more just asking from the perspective of gauging how edgy is dess. Like is she actually breaking the law like a PUNK or is she just slightly pissing her mom off
I'm not dooming but if the worst comes to worst, Kris still has us to look out for them. I mean we've got Kris' best interests at heart, whether they like or not.
>>83376962speak for yourself, i'm ditching that freak as soon as I can to be with my promised wife susan
>>83373955And it's probably 10 times more popular too. People who find Veth later will think Jelly is just copying other, more popular people. Which is true, I've never seen him draw an original idea anyways. There's also a part of me that hopes he does get popular, so I can start spreading all the porn he drew here around so people will hate him and call him a pedo. You don't get to just abandon us without consequences.
>>83378035God, she rocks that outfit.
Think we'll see a hotspring in Chapter 5?
>>83380946If we do there's better be a no-clothes options.
>>83380946We'd better.
>>83380946Woah maybe yeah. We'll get some pretty fun anime tropes in the darkworld I'd bet
>>83377332Why do you even care? You think he ever thinks about you? This thread? He only ever comes here to post his art and use us as a waste dump for his autism, or to crosspost in doe to pass everyone off. He's an attention whore, always disappearing the moment he doesn't get 50 people asking after his dumb ideas and praising him for drawing Kris fucking every oc he can churn out.
>>83381209Ralsei possibly killing the mood though.Maybe. If he hasn't disappeared with Azzy
>>83370437>Susie being a massive transformers nerd>has spent roughly a used car on her ever growing collection of Optimus’s>secretly wishes Optimus was her dad>still cries at his death scene in the 2009 movieI can see it
Consider:The pacifist route credits as a montage of the town and its people slowly recovering from the damage brought on by the events of Chapter 7. The first snippet will be Kris, starting to teach Susie piano. The music playing during the credits will be her playing the piano. It will be very bad, with hesitant, misplayed notes. After each mistake she'll stop and try to give up, but Kris will encourage her to keep trying.The montage goes on as a sort of epilogue of the town after recovery is complete, as the townsfolk begin to move on with their lives. Every so often we'll see Susie and Kris at the piano, and the playing will slowly begin to improve. By the end of the credits, Susie is as good as Kris, and more instruments begin to join as the final shot of the credits is the gang playing in a band together.
>>83382202>Every so often we'll see Susie and Kris at the piano, and the playing will slowly begin to improve. By the end of the credits, Susie is as good as Kris, and more instruments begin to join as the final shot of the credits is the gang playing in a band together.Hopefully Kris has two hands. Please. Don't hurt them.
>>83382202I can see it. It'll be sad to see them go, but it'll be comfy too.>>83382229Our gang's in for a world of hurt soon, but I believe in my Deltarune.
>>83382854To quote some old Football Youtuber I used to watch: "Oh it's a misery compiler."
>>83384406Look at this swood chopper
>>83384406reminds me of kevin's bike from Ed Edd n Eddy, I always wanted one of those high backed seats
>>83384406Vessels will say the Thanos-copter is "thtupid ath hell" and then this is their whip
>>83382202This feels too happy, I can't see it.
>>83382202>>83382229>he thinks there'll be an pacifist route ending
>>83384406I wonder how Crusher was able to go from gigantic robot to this badass Veth-sized motorcyclehttps://youtu.be/TFwXbp9bLlY?si=mf9eVc2TwCnq_ZPC
>>83367737>>83367834>Japanese settingIts Alphys being a weeb isnt it
>>83385193Asgore liked Mew Mew Kissy Cutie (2)
>>83385193Even though she's a joke character so far, she DID have a more important role in Undertale and has a connection to Undyne even in Deltarune currently. At the start of the chapter she could easily be looking for Undyne who's definitely been noticeably missing by the time of the festival and end up in a darkworld situation herself. Doubly so, she is friends with Asgore who reminds her of a superhero. She could ask Asgore for help in finding Undyne, and Asgore 100% would drop whatever he's doing to search for her.IMO, Alphys is the dark horse contender for the next darkworld.
>>83385193I mean in Undertale Asgore asked if he could borrow anime from Alphys. Maybe in this timeline he borrowed it from his weeb boss Carol. The woman owns like three katanas.
>>83384406Given DC's Size in the dark world this has three possible meanings one: DC can have variable size like Tenna and is a fucking transformertwo: thats just a giant motorcycle and veth is just sitting in the seat unable to reach the handlebars because its still fucking massive and she and deetee are very smolthree: its just a DC themed motorcycle Veth made in the light world/styled in the light worldThree 1/2: or this is the dark world form of a shitty ass bike in the lightworld that veth rethemed to be DC themed that probably was one of those disney princess bikes with the training wheels, with those tassles she painted yellow and called her "loyal thteed"
We got a name for these things.
>>83385498A lot of people give Toby a hard time for giving Asgore a hard time, but in both games he writes Asgore as the sort of character who everyone has nothing but positive things to say about him except his ex. It makes me wonder if Tobert fumbled a bit in UT where the fandom ended up liking Toriel too much and there was supposed to be more nuanced between the two monarchs. Now in Deltarune people are more skeptical about Toriel at least.
>>83385653These make me think they're based on drawings or arts and crafts projects Kris or Asriel made when they were younger.
>>83385653oh yeahwe goin to the flower shop with this one
>>83385737You think this will be where the "sun" is?Since the second floor is darker?
>>83385193Carol is the weebI don't know how so many people are missing this, she literally owns a katana she uses to cut stuff with. The snowflakes in her house were described as shurikens.
>>83385813I mean so is Alphys, but yes Carol is likely one too
>>83385662>It makes me wonder if Tobert fumbled a bit in UT where the fandom ended up liking Toriel too much and there was supposed to be more nuanced between the two monarchs.To be fair, multiple UT Fanworks like to explore how Toriel was somewhat in hypocritical in her stance or critique it, but Toby was likely not aware of it.
>>83385860Now I want to see Carol and Alphys arguing about animay.
>>83385953Asgore, Alphys, and Carol run Hometown's anime club
>>83385662Hey wait, I don't think he posted this exactly.
>>83385953Carol might be too intimidating, no amount of autism could make the meek Alphys actually push back on Carol's takes.
>>83386009Dubs are officially outlawed in Hometown because of her
>>83385653Floradinn Man makes a dark world instead of getting over his divorce
>>83385953>>83385972Just imagine the kind of discussions they'd get to over in Carol's living room
>>83385653ah hell nah they put Florida into Deltarune
>>83386037Those are some blunt teefs
>>83386009You underestimate her power. Alphys is one bad take from going all out. >>83386037>Alphys secretly has a secret anime dub pirating network >Smuggling physical editions of dubs into Hometown and dealing in rips of dubs >Carol knows it but too busy with Roaring and Rudy stuff >Alphys isn't in on the Dark Worlds so she can't sacrifice her >Was this close to breaking in her house and cutting her in two when she saw Noelle using her allowance to buy and watch that slop >Her poor, naive daughter proudly saying she prefers dubs over subs is a sound that always makes her tear when she hears it.
>>83386576i need more of these out of context screenshotsthey're too funny
>>83386576Man Alphys NEO was a long time ago(Yes the dialogue is also Andonuts)
>>83385653I feel like it was obvious they were Rudinns just from how they looked
Totally didn't take me a week or so, to put this together or anything...https://files.catbox.moe/bqkcel.mp3
>>83388921oh right should say Veth theme (Cobalt hearbreak)
>>83388979heartbreaking on my roommates doooor ha
I'm leaving my li'l Sus here, keep her safe. No loud noises, please.
>>83389722
>>83389722Very distressing canon gif
>>83385662Tobey didn't fumble, much like with sans, people just straight up ignored all the bad things literally everyone else does(especially Toriel) because they liked her more and were introduced to her first while Asgore was seen as just basic opposition and the guy who was 'implied' to have killed 6 kids despite how the game, an old response from tobey one time, and some basic logic says most never even made it to him and just died along the way.Then, as with Sans & Chara, the fandom just starting making shit up around them like demonizing the fuck out of Asgore and saying he abused his kids, undyne, was a genocidal maniac, and was the source of all major problems in the underground. They straight up ignored the fact he openly admits he doesn't want to do any of that shit and ignore media literacy on his entire fight or speech during the walk to where you have to fight.Essentially, they decided to side with mom in the divorce and ignored any and all of dad's good traits cause mom was nicer on the surface. If you go back to look through most of UT or the fandom back then and their views on Asgore, you will see how hard they slandered my goat and how Tobey is using DT to be far more blunt on how they were and more open on the faults that people ignored on Sans and Toriel.
>>83389977>Tobey didn't fumble, much like with sans, people just straight up ignored all the bad things literally everyone else does(especially Toriel)In such a case it's true that the blame can't fall entirely on Toby's shoulders, but it's still a writer's prerogative to be cautious of such interpretations to some extent. It's why the writing feels a bit more overt in certain areas around Toriel and Sans now. Susie and Rudy both dislike Sans for example, and they're pretty trustworthy characters as far as the narrative goes. It definitely helps to see Toriel shirking her duties in a way that's more personal, too. The fandom can handwave Toriel ditching her kingdom since it happens potentially centuries before the start of UT, but her questionable parenting is certainly more open to discussion now.IMO, the biggest issue with UT Toriel is that most of the fandom took Toriel's take on how Asgore should have handled the crisis at face value. "Just kill one human and use their soul to break the barrier lmao" etc. When in reality it's very likely that Toriel had no means of handling the crisis herself and simply dipped when Asgore's choice caused her too much stress.
>>83385153>>83385510he transformed through sheer will
>>83390313The reality was that, what Toriel 'suggested' was by all means the honest truth in her eyes as by all accounts if Asgore goes to the surface he could just grab a bunch of souls but the fact was: He doesn't actually want war of any kind and doesn't want to hurt anyone. Back when he declared war in grief, she bailed and pretty much deemed him mad, but on his side of things he didn't truly want a fight but instead of revoking the statement he saw how much hope it brought his people so he worked around it and set a hopeful pipedream that was almost entirely unrealistic. Attaining 7 souls, let alone even 1 human soul, realistically was both impossible and unrealistic from their position but the mere idea was one everyone could believe in and he knows that he as the king can hold all blame for it no matter what as he, by his own omission, still takes all the accountability for everything going on(even Alphys's whole experiments gone wrong) as he doesn't blame anyone else, doesn't even say anyone else had real part, instead deeming that everyone is just following his orders.Asgore is a very peaceful and nice guy, too nice to actually want to hurt the humans but he spoke before he thought, Toriel on the other hand not only bailed in the grief but then just refused to do anything. Every human that fell she tried to give the ultimatum of play house or leave and if they left, even if you argue she didn't know for sure with the first one, she willingly allowed them to not only leave to face possible death on their own but openly condemned each of them with no effort to even leave her hiding area to maybe escort them and just talk with Asgore to let them leave or trying to get them there safely. She would rather sit at home and ignore everything than acknowledge any form of responsibility on her own part which parallels her actions in the dark world: Sitting there and just sleeping through the problem going on
>>83389018>Veth, quit psychobrooding. It's time for dinner.
>>83390748HELLLLLL YEAH
>>83390748good stuff
>>83390748Zoom and Enhance on Deetee
>>83390748>>83390895>>83391010>>83391025Susie?
>>83391034Also rip roaring down the highway in a crotch rocket
>>83390748Holy peak, also i need to crack Deetee so bad she is so cuteKris and Susie on chapter 3 horse Ralsei racing against Veth on her DCycle with DeeTee lookin like that scene out of ghost rider
>>83391132What will you do when this one shows up in chapter 5
>>83390758Nta, but Asgore could have rescinded his orders at any time. The fact of the matter is that his inability to adapt to the situation and decide that the killing should stop ended with 6 dead kids AND all of his subjects had to stay underground for centuries anyway. And he's immortal, of course a human would eventually show up. Unless he planned on the mountain caving in on his kingdom at some point, all probabilities tend towards inevitability for those who live forever.Toriel and Asgore are two sides of the same coin; they have good intentions and genuinely don't want anyone to get hurt, but their cowardice and inaction handicaps them from actually taking a stand for what they know is right. It's just more pathetic when Asgore was only stopped by his own word, whereas Toriel would have had to do some convincing/work if she wanted to unseat him and change the human policy.
>>83391126Are there any pictures of a biker Susie with Kris in a sidecar?Realistically, he'd be riding bitch, but a tiny sidecar is funny to imagine.
>>83390748Let the cowboys clash>>83391158What?
>>83391132Look at the back of the chair. I don't think that bike is made to seat more than one. Fitting, I suppose.
>>83391132Susie???
>>83391201Deetee gets the DC spiked ribs on her hoohaa, flip a coin whether it hurts like hell or feels great>>83391215Psychomantis???
>>83391173After making that declaration there was never an option to go back as that declaration wasn't just for the death of his two children but it was also for them to all see the surface once again, revoking it would be the equivalent of just showing he's a ruler who not only can't actually hold to his word but also a betrayal to his people who were also upset over the next transgression upon monster kind who, by then, was still stuck underground and had done nothing more to the humans.Humans realistically wouldn't show up as even chara showing up was an entire rarity that went unfollowed, not to mention no monsters are immortal. They just live long with Toriel and Asgore being boss monsters meaning the live even longer than most as a small few like Gerson is an actual old man. They are trapped in a place that realistically nobody even actually knows exists and on top of them most people aren't jumping down into random holes at the top of a mountain that has only 1 entrance. As far as views go they were forgotten by time long ago in geography that now barely exists as what was once an underground was turned into a mountain by the time Frisk shows up. The 7 humans that did end up showing up were from several borderline decades apart separated by their themes. You can't simply undeclare war upon people who already killed tons of your own and then trapped you underground forever, humans were notoriously already disliked for a while with Chara being the first to be seen in years and was well taken care up. Toriel quite literally has no intentions, she literally just blames Asgore throughout the game, doesn't actually done much to help anyone that falls down outright turning her back on them the moment they don't agree to her ultimatum and then pawning the task of watching onto Sans. Asgore knows what he his and openly doesn't ask for any kind of forgiveness, it's why he removed Mercy in the first place he doesn't feel he deserves it.
susie.... threa...... d....
>>83391499Father in law matters, next chapter is also his
Could Susie have stopped Asgore for killing himself in Undertale? Will she stop him from doing it in chapter 5?
>>83391679>Will she stop him from doing it in chapter 5?now that you mention it, that's probably likely to happen
>>83391679Susie would have offered her fat sweaty purple ass to Asgore so that he forgets all about his worthless bitch wife
>>83391707I think we often gloss over how he not only did it in undertale but he's really in the same spot here in Deltarune. We have not been considering that he's gonna kill himself especially with how little Kris sees him and how nobody really checks in on him except Carol for the plan.Holy fuck I think I just ruined this chapter for myself now knowing he might get the berdly treatment and end up in a fucking coma after dying in the dark world
>>83390748Veth's too cool
>>83391201Dreemcrushur makes a side car for Deetee.
>>83391201Deetee takes up at least 2 seats anon, do you not see her hips? That's a whopping 30 points of damage if she hip checks you and misses the crit
>>83391289Revolver Vethcelot
susie.........?
>>83391880Keep saying it and I will find you, date your mom, and become your step father to shame you at family gatherings
A 1v1, Susie vs Mr. Clean. Could she beat him outside of the dark world?
Susie
>>83391469>revoking it would be the equivalent of just showing he's a ruler who not only can't actually hold to his word...And? That's his mistake to correct. Reverting the order is the morally correct thing to do, and executing people who have done no wrong to break the barrier is morally evil. Asgore in his right state of mind knows that. The reason he doesn't backtrack is because he is too cowardly to face the consequences of making an unpopular decision and finding a new reason to keep going. The sense of responsibility that "forces" him to kill humans for his people is the same one that should have told him that he's doing terrible things and that he has the power to stop it with a word. Toriel should have done the same thing by overruling or overthrowing him, and the fact that she doesn't is a mark of cowardice for her as well.>Humans realistically wouldn't show upObjectively untrue. By the third human he should have noticed that they weren't stopping.>no monsters are immortalDid you forget boss monsters stop aging without kids? Asgore has no biological clock, he knows he will live and rule until he abdicates or something kills him. He can't say "the next generation can figure it out", it's his call to make for the foreseeable future.>You can't simply undeclare warHe's a king! Wielding authority is his only job! The guy with the power to declare war has the power to undeclare war! And if he can't make it work out, well that's the pitfall of being a monarch. It's harsh, but he made a bad call in anger, and he would rather kill and die than face his people and tell them that the war he started is wrong.The whole point here is nuance; neither Toriel or Asgore are saints, they're in fact basically the same, only Asgore's failure to act is more obvious. I do believe they mean well, but I also believe they have very specific and very similar weaknesses.
>>83392210>executing people who have done no wrong to break the barrier is morally evil.Except they did do wrong, they killed his son, who mind you didn't fight back meaning he walked up there with a human child's body, was assaulted with no chance to explain or debate, and died from his wounds barely making it home all cause he wanted to bury his sibling respectfully. They did wrong in the first place which was the entire reason war was redeclared. The same way you could easily say imprisoning ALL monsters in a pit in the ground, including women and children non combatants, was morally wrong but it did already happen. His cause and reason was just, fact is he jus didn't want more people to get hurt and just wanted a happy ending for everyone, freedom for his people.>Objectively untrue.Objectively that is 7 total humans over more than several decades apart with each and each one has consistently been a child. It is not only inconsistent but weird that every 10+ years some kid falls down a mountain that by the first 3 would have logically had some warning signs by that point about people going missing. Expecting even a 3rd kid is unrealistic as whole monsters had lived underground and never seen a human till Frisk like monster kid. Whole generations of monster kind had come and gone between kids.>He can't say "the next generation can figure it out", it's his call to make for the foreseeable future.He could literally step down anytime he wants as the position is his because he's the one people trust and believe in most so nobody tries to take his place.>He's a king! Wielding authority is his only job! That's not how that works, that's how you get a rebellion. You act like him saying don't suddenly means that other radical people won't just side step him and wait for the next human to then kill em, take the soul and then kill him because they no longer agree to his ways. A king is only as strong as his people's beliefs & willingness to follow him.
>>83391914my mom is ashes in an urn
>>83392210To add, the entire goal of the war is that it's unavoidable based on history. The entire point for getting the souls was getting past the barrier and getting everyone freedom however doing so means eventually meeting the humans who, historically by that point, ruthlessly killed the 1 lone unarmed monster that came to the surface with no question or attempts at reason and before that were part of a dispute that lead to the original war that lead to all of them, innocent and those who were actually in the war, to being shoved into a hole into the ground for the rest of many of their natural lives.The entire reason nobody disagree to the war declaration is because history literally says they were actively wronged years ago, none were spared the punishment and the first one to even get a chance to see the surface was killed for no real reason beyond assumption if it wasn't just hating monsters. People joined his cause because freedom was the core goal but war was attached right to it and you can't get the freedom without also facing the war to come the moment they reach the surface simply because they are monsters and nothing more with no further knowledge on modern humanity beyond that instance of killing the active prince for no given reason with no form of apology or otherwise behind it.As you bring to the table, such an action even left 2 people perpetually stuck unable to age unless they have another child which means the humans literally doomed two of the people's rulers to unending years of being unable to properly age or die naturally. Humanity in the eyes of monster history and active interaction had literally done nothing but fuck over their entire species and then left them to rot, people sided with the war plan for their own freedom as there is literally nothing else. Would you rob them and tell them all to rot down there and never seek justice or any form of even an apology for the ones who killed another of your kind who did nothing to em?
>>83392336>Except they did do wrong, they killed his son"They"? The humans who fell underground? "They" had nothing to do with what happened to Asriel. In all likelihood, "they" had no idea Asriel and the monsters even existed. And yet Asgore had them killed. With regret, sure, but they still ended up dead. Just as locking ALL monsters underground out of fear is evil, killing ALL humans who fall for the sins of their kin is evil. Asgore isn't stupid enough to forget that.>that is 7 total humans over more than several decades apart with each and each one has consistently been a child.And yet they still fell one after another, and Asgore was still there, and Asgore's orders did not change. It doesn't matter how infrequently humans fell. Every day, Asgore woke up and knew that a human could enter the underground, and that as things stood, that human would die. Every day, he knew that he could start the process of de-escalating, so that the next human might live and the hope of peace may return. That's what he wanted, and that's what was right. And every day, he instead watered the flowers, and the inevitable got one day closer.>That's not how that works, that's how you get a rebellion.Ah, so the wishes of the mob, the one he encouraged, make it reasonable to do nothing? He should stay the course so that he doesn't get deposed or assassinated? He shouldn't try to do the right thing, because it might not work? Then I guess it's good that Toriel stayed in the Ruins. After all, people might not listen to her. Asgore might jail her or kill her. Yes, she should stay home. Things are just fine as they are.I don't mean to sound venomous, but I disagree strongly. Restarting the war was his mistake, and he knew it. The morality of undoing your own fuck-ups does not change because it is hard, or you are weak, or it might not work. Especially if you are a leader with people who will hurt others in your name.
>>83392519>ruthlessly killed the 1 lone unarmed monster that came to the surface with no question or attempts at reasonNta, but Asriel *was* carrying the corpse of a child. Sorta not a good look. Not to mention, it was stated that a monster with a human soul, which Asriel would be at that moment, is called in game as "a horrible beast," which wouldn't help Azzy if that description was meant to be one of physical looks.
>>83392675>And yet Asgore had them killed.Well that's literally the only way to get a human soul, it's not as if he literally tried nothing else as he literally had a whole division of science on trying to just make a substitute. But beyond that, again, the same applies to what happened to Asriel. He had nothing to do with years before and they didn't spare him even the attempt of a trial. Not one person considered, 'hey, he isn't fighting back at all' or trying to just capture him for questioning, they decided to kill him on sight with no real reason. Ya know most people actually question a suspect even if they are covered in blood before delivering the death penalty. Asgore's orders came in the same way and same level of unbiased effort. If a human shows up, get em and bring their soul so we can break the barrier. His plan was never kill all humans, it was get 7 because then they can break the barrier. If he wanted to kill all humans, as Toriel flat out says, he could just use the first soul and go take on the nearest town to get the other 7. Fact is this is more like private property, you come on land you don't belong and your life is then forfeit.>And yet they still fell one after anotherThat's the logic of saying that because it kept happening expect it to always be the case; by all accounts that reads more like a force beyond them is justifying and advocating for their cause and eventual freedom given such astronomical odds. Like fate itself is telling monster kind their goals are not unreachable. You can't control or blame Asgore on something none could predict or have control on as its not an active call at that point.>the one he encouragedI think you underestimate just how much monster history doesn't exactly paint humans in a light where really any of them like humans. They're willing to talk but by no means are they all just cool with humans. The entire cause was built on a perpetual resentment most monster already had in the first place.
asgore fingered my ass and all i got was this lousy tshirt
>>83392724Doesn't really change that they profiled an unarmed individual, not covered in blood mind you since Chara died from sickness, meaning there was a tall monster carrying a child that wasn't moving with a somber expression if he wasn't flat out crying at that point and they proceeded to not just detain him, not tell him to stop and drop the kid or question the situation, but instantly beat the shit out of him with all the force they could muster for an unknown amount of time with him not once defending or retaliating? Gonna be real, that sounds far worse on the human side given they beat up a pretty much harmless monster and didn't question for even a second what was going on because even with that soul fusion belief it makes no sense why he wouldn't have struck first with such power or why he was even walking a child back to their land. The circumstances just don't advocate for more than questioning why the supposed threat hasn't attacked yet.>>83392675>Restarting the war was his mistake, and he knew it.It was no mistake, he did want his people to have freedom but the war was the only way. He didn't undo it because he may not like it but he understands something very important about being king: Your goal is to give your people the best status of living possible. So he would free them no matter what, he doesn't want people hurt, least of all to hurt others, but his people come first. He chose that path and wasn't just gonna turn back since already monster kind had joined for that cause and even killed at least 1 to 2 kids meaning backing up is not an option. You already have casualties and that can't be undone. The moment the first human perished, be it by monster hands or some implied to have died form just natural causes down there, that signified the point where there was no turning back. Asgore chose to bear the weight of reasonability as it was his call and he would not just turn his back on his choice nor the actions they've already taken.
>Left-wing memes be like
>>83393003you act like this isn't gonna come up in chapter 5 anon. Understanding Asgore is critical to Susie not letting him kill himself
>>83393031>Understanding Asgore is critical to Susie not letting him kill himselfwait this is all humorizing that stupid post
>>83393046Are you that willing to believe toby won't do it twice
>>83392519It's late, and I don't want to take up the whole thread, but Asgore knew better than this. He lived on the surface, he knew humans, he raised one with his own son. To him, humanity was not a sea of evil faces, it's a whole array of people and tribes and personalities. Asgore adopted Chara because he wanted to prove that war was NOT unavoidable and humans are more than just killers. And the whole reason he didn't take the first human SOUL and start ravaging the surface for more is because he still believed those things. He wanted to bring his people to the surface, but he hated the idea that one race must destroy the other. He didn't want to kill humans, even after all humankind had done to him. It's a noble sentiment, but he failed to live up to those beliefs. Instead, he just let his bad choices linger for decades, and he (almost) killed just as many as he'd tried to avoid. Asgore knew the right choice, knew that the humans who died were real people, real minds on his conscience. But he never made that choice, and he has to live with that.>>83392839I'll keep these short.>they didn't spare him even the attempt of a trialTwo wrongs make no rights, anon.>fate itself is telling monster kind their goals are not unreachableSuperstition is a poor reasoning for death penalty policy.>They're willing to talk but by no means are they all just cool with humans.I think you don't understand monster psychology. In the true pacifict ending, most of them seem pretty excited to see humanity despite everything. But if you're right, then the pacifist ending won't be peaceful for very long, I suppose.I will sleep now. Despite how I may sound, I did enjoy our talk, anon.>>83393003Haha, so true! Tap tap!
>I will sleep now.Gods be praised.
>>83393093You can't fool me, anon, you were slamming that refresh button to see my post! And I know you read at least some of it!Sleep tight, tsun-tsun!
>>83392525Goodnight, my dude
>>83393127You're annoying.
>>83393081>He lived on the surface, he knew humans,And he knew that humans and monsters, for an unstated reason, couldn't see eye to eye in which he once before went to war with humans. He knows they aren't all bad but this doesn't mean they aren't all free of the fact they just won't get along with monsters either way. The fact that it was still years later and the first new interaction resulted in his own son's death, didn't imply the best for a humanity he has never seen. Then there's the ones that fell who, by all accounts, may have also attack monsters of various generations even if they were nice. It's not really said what went on in those years or if anyone died of non naturally cause on the monster side.>Two wrongs make no rights, anon.That would have been 3 wrongs, 3 over years of shoving them all in a hole and never letting anyone out.>Superstition is a poor reasoning for death penalty policy.They came where they didn't belong and met an end untold, such is just how things go. The only difference is there was no personal reason they died, it was simply as unlucky as them falling down.>In the true pacifict endingnot the best marker to use given this ending has many differences overall to any other choices even neutral ones. Most monster have never met humans meaning Frisk was their first, and Frisk was pretty alright. Frisk is from a much more advanced time as well, meaning humanity in that time may have actually evened out unlike years before. Again, the belief in war was based on the humanity they knew little of and the few times it interacted with them. Their knowledge was limited and, based on the other endings, Frisk either shows humanity really never changed or that things are actually different. Kinda like Matrix Revolutions where Neo finally makes peace with the machines ironicly.I enjoyed the chat as well.
Kris deserves to own all the dykes of Hometown after what he went through
>>83394743>susie>dykealways saw her as more of a bedrock kind of girl
Toby's very gay little game
>>83394847What the hell is a "bedrock kind of girl" supposed to be?
>>>/trash/doe
>>83395393A cavewoman or a dinosaur.
Shilo_Dog's twitter has gone from private to outright deleted. Gonna be kicking myself forever for not saving all their art when I had the chance
>>83395697>troonrip bozo
>>83395393>>83395668Bedrock certainly is a neat and appropriate adjective to use for Susie
