>first Riddler clue takes three men and multiple days to crack>the solution points them to the fuckhuge knife stuck in the tire of the murdered mayor's car at the crime scenelmao>Riddler tries to kill Batman with a letter bomb>later on in the movie Batman dramatically proclaims "I think I'm his next target"L M A O
>>198520336The “intricate puzzle to find something easily findable” retardation is used so much it’s a trope in and of itself at this point.
>>198520463This isn't even a case of the writers deliberately writing dumb shit in order to not confuse a dumb audience, it's a case of the writers themselves being dumb.Because even if the puzzle actually leads to a thing that can't just be stumbled upon, a dumb audience wouldn't be confused at all.
>>198520336>I am the shadows the hedgehog
>something in my ass HMMMMMM-HMMMMMMMM
>>198520336Why was this fucking movie three hours long?
>>198521043Honestly the pacing was pretty good, outside of a few dumbass dialogues that dragged on for no reason.It's the actual content that's just so dumb.
>>198521065It started to drag when Selina's subplot was finished and then you realized there was an extra 45 minute long third act with the Riddler's bombs or whatever the fuck that was.
Batman and Batman Returns are the only good Batman movies
>>198521091>It started to drag when Selina's subplot was finishedAh yes, after Selina finds her friend's phone with a voice mail in which the bad guy unveils himself to be the bad guy lmao
>Batman is an edgy teen who literally says "you're not my dad" to Alfred during their first scene together>Penguin's big moment is a fucking car chase>Batman is more a booted Frankenstein monster than a winged bat>"white privilege" is called out>people address Batman as "Vengeance" like that's his fucking name>movie opens with an edgy voice over>entire conversation revealing Falcone to be the rat just happens to be recorded on voice mail
>>198520336people are literally disqualified from becoming police if they score too highly on the aptitude test. they're not sending their best so that part's pretty realistic
>>198521364Yeah but a big ass knife sticking out of a murdered guy's car is a prime opportunity for a "you better come look at this" moment.Police in tv and film have monthly quotas on moments like that, they would've never let that opportunity slide.
>>198521091At this point, a sociopath with a plan to blow up the entire city is a requirement for Batman flicks.There's no extortion, kidnapping, bank robbery or good old boners in them anymore. It's all "SOCIETY, WAH WAH WAH IMMA BLOW IT ALL UP!!!"WB has no creativity, it seems they are working on a THIRD "Luthor builds a Kryptonian monster to kill Superman" flick.
>>198520336Weren't the puzzles supposed to be an homage to the original TV series? That's what I assumed. I didn't think they were supposed to be taken seriously.
>>198521436>I didn't think they were supposed to be taken seriously.The movie's tone disagrees lolBut you're right, it was so dumb it became funny. The movie is so tryhard and edgy it reminded me of those unironic sigma male explainers.
>>198521436The Batman is a lot of things, including a terrible, overlong, derivative piece of shit, but it's in no way a homage to the Adam We show.If anything it's the anithesis of it.
>>198521428>There's no extortion, kidnapping, bank robbery or good old boners in them anymore.TDK opens with a bank robbery and ends with a kidnapping
>>198520336Lol
>>198521488Harvey's not kidnapping anyone, he just takes them to a remote spot to murder them. A kidnapping plot sorta implies you are trying to get something in exchange, not just dragging someone out into the woods to shoot them.
>>198521488>TDKThe Donkey Kong?***edit***I'm must replying because of your digits
>>198520336>>Riddler tries to kill Batman with a letter bombNo he was trying to kill Bruce Wayne
>>198521488And the Joker's "bank robbery" just turns into plain ol' arson, he just wants to arson in front of the owners for the lulz.SOME Batman villains used to be in it for money or power, now it's just a long stream of Social (in)Justice and it's tiresome.
>>198521603It was alright when Nolan did it because it was a fresh take at the time. But now that shit is everywhere. It's like how in the Ghostbusters remake, all the women tried to play Bill Murray.
>>198521538Well there was no crime then he didn't kidnap them because he didn't get anything for them
>YOU>ARE>EL
>>198521579Batman says it right after reading pic related.
>>198521603That's not the bank robbery money it's Lau's hidden stash.
>>198521603>steal money>burn itGood grief, what a boner!
>>198521714It's just an overly dramatic attempted murder, because simply shooting them like he did everyone else leaves no time for Batman's dramatic ENTER. (and killing of Harvey)The only villain trying to do actual crime-for-money is Penguin, and he's never shown doing actual crime, it's just implied.
>>198521022>Think Batman, think!
>>198521727>You're a big L
>>198521474>>198521477I get what you mean about the overall tone, but every now and then they'd toss in a campy moment. Moments like the bomb going off in Batman's face, or when he crashes into the bus, or the looong build up when we think the Riddler might know Batman's real identity. Take those and slap them into the Adam West era and they'd fit right in. That's what got me thinking they might have been a deliberate tip of the hat.
>>198520336i liked the part where gordon sticks a shady usb drive left by the killer into his internet connected laptop
>>198520336this is the best movie to come out in the last decade btw and you're retarded if you think otherwise
>>198520336It’s because the riddler has the mindset Batman was like him. Not a hero but someone wanting to destroy society. That’s the only reason Batman didn’t get the hints because he wasn’t thinking like a killer with a vendetta
>>198521789Sometimes dumb writing is just dumb writing, and not a homage to olde camp.
>>198521791kekGordon and Vengeance are also solving shit on that laptop right in view of the Penguin.I laughed out loud when the shot widened and Penguin is just looking at the screen with them.
>>198521794Just like the movie itself, this comment is so dumb it makes me think it's satire.
>>198521800Batman is going around punching gangs and solving crimes, what could possibly make someone think he was "trying to destroy society".Why the fuck is every Batman villain obsessed with Society like a 15 yr old Edgelord???
>>198521579There's an envelope addressed to the Batman in that letter bomb, and the note in that envelope says "see you in hell".There's no way Bruce did NOT think Riddler knew he was batman.
>>198521829Batman works in the shadows and was taken down organized crime that affects the people of Gotham. He also wasn’t fully known to be real or not he was somewhat like a myth or legend a boogeyman
>>198521538>A kidnapping plot sorta impliesWell that's sorta retarded. It's not a plot, just an act. Nobody said he had a ransom scheme in mind, he took someone someplace against their will. That's kidnapping.
>>198521911>Batman works in the shadowsAnon, he IS the vengean... I mean shadows.
The really disgusting part for me was how it was ripping off Se7en so hard in the Riddler's apartment.
This movie wasn't good but I'd still like to see a sequel because there were enough good pieces in play.
>>198520336I actually like this film for the grimy aesthetic but it's written for a complete retard, or perhaps the ultimate midwit>finds incriminating photographs taken outside club>think "batman will definitely investigate this vantage point for clues">doesn't>turns out the killer was literally sitting there for the entire film
>>198522730All of the riddles are like that though.>El Rata Elada>A flying rat?>What could that mean>Batman scratches his bat-chin on his bat-suit>What kind of rodent flies?>Must be the guy named after a flightless bird, the penguin>Chases down the penguin, killing about 50 innocent drivers in the chase>Even the Penguin calls Batman a retard>The answer was FalconPure cinema.
>>198523038The "bring him into the light" thing too.Apparently riddler knew that Falcone was going to be escorted out of the club through the front door, and that it was going to be Batman who was holding him.
>>198523038Wouldn't most people start with pigeon?
>>198520336Eye Man.
>>198523186I would be inclined to if I wasn't a guy dressed as a flying rodent who was directly mentioned by the person leaving behind clues specifically for me.
>>198520336You forgot:>Batman, the “world’s greatest detective”, does not recognise the murder weapon at the first crime scene, does not consider investigating this any further, and it only becomes relevant to the plot again once it’s too late purely so a blue-collar cop can put the rich white boy in his place for not knowing what a carpet tucker isAwful writing on multiple levels. It’s a setting where smartphones are shown to exist, anyone with an iota of curiosity at any point in the film could have looked up what the object was from anywhere, but that doesn’t happen so the film can drag on for an extra hour and the smoothbrained writers can have their epic gotcha about rich people being divorced from the working class. It feels like this film was made by someone who actually hates Batman as a character and just wanted the funding to do a terrible David Fincher impersonation.
>>198523221Who actually thinks of bats and rats in the same category though? A bat isn't a rodent.
>>198523380>"it's a tucker">Hmmm tucker, Tucker Carlson, bow tie, bow sounds like boat, boats like water, ...>Oh my god, he's going to flood the city!
>>198521800I absolutely hated this film’s take on Riddler. Just further evidence Matt Reeves desperately wishes he was Fincher and a sterling display of the gulf between them in terms of writing and directorial talent. If you wanted an edgy killer in a creepy mask with a personal connection to Bruce Wayne, just use Hush.
>>198521603>And the Joker's "bank robbery" just turns into plain ol' arson, he just wants to arson in front of the owners for the lulz.That wasn't from the bank robbery retard. That's Lau's hidden money. Joker uses the bank robbery money to buy himself a fancy suit and other shit.>>198521937You're expecting common sense from comicbookfags.
>>198522018The entire thing is desperately trying and failing to be a Fincher film. The cinematography, lighting, colour grading, story structure, everything. It just fails at it on every level because Matt Reeves is no David Fincher.
>>198523508the mumbling too
>>198523429They're not rodents, but a lot of people think they are because they look and sound exactly like rodents except that they have wings.
>>198523429>Who actually thinks of bats and rats in the same categoryBats look very ratlike
>>198521738
>>198523429The Germans do. Fledermaus = flutter mouse
>>198520336MI6-trained Alfred opening the suspicious-looking letter bomb is the stupidest motherfucking shit in the world. And the black mayor lady was shot at point blank range with a sniper rifle but just doesn't die for some reason, not because Batman saved her. So other than that, Riddler killed all his victims, accomplished all his goals, and purposely allowed himself to be arrested, so Batman literally didn't do anything. lol.
>>198525192>so Batman literally didn't do anythingkek exactly.Batman got everything wrong or at the very least was too late at every turn.Which would be a neat idea for his early years as Batman, but it's played off like he saved the day somehow.
>>198525398He's a rich, white-privileged asshole [sic]. What did you expect?
>>198525557The only two characters outside of catwoman who weren't obviously corrupt or inept were the young black mayoral candidate, and the black doctor lady tending to Alfred. All we needed was a righteous black woman judge and an ace black woman pilot. Maybe in the sequel.
>>198525094So do the french. Chauve-souris = bald rat for some reasonLike, I dunno but I think the wings are more striking than it's hair but ok
>a flying rat!? Clearly that must be a pidgeon
>a flying rat!? Clearly that must be a pigeon
>>198525799>>198525849in spanish and portuguese flying rat is slang for pidgeon
>>198520336Riddler did NOT know that Batman is Bruce Wayne.If he did, why put a fireproof message for Batman at all?
>>198525799Yes, ESL. This is a common expression for pigeon.
>>198520336>Batman spent 2 years beating up random thugs>Riddler single-handedly cleaned up most of Gotham's organized crime in a week How is Riddler the villain again?
>>198526196Bruce definitely thought he knew.The fireproof message to Batman said "see you in hell", obviously implying that Batman was meant to die from the blast.Also >>198521738
>>198526278Umm, because he's an incel, sweetie
>>198524968>welp time to allow myself to be caught randomly>no getting caught was part of his planso dumb
>>198526278This movie should've been called "the adventures of the riddler".
>>198520336what the FUCK was up with the Penguin flirting with Batman?
>>198527971Reeves was ripping off Seven pretty hard, but he was too dumb to give the surrendering an actual point.
>>198527971it was.>i told you i would see you in hell
>>198520336the worst thing about the batman is how desperately it wants to be seen as smart but then you get shit like el rata elada lmao
>>198528037... but why?
>>198528037Can anybody come with an explanation for why he thought batman would suddenly drop the goodguy act and willingly join him in prison/asylum?It's baffling how terrible the writing was in this.
>>198528032And it felt like it really lowered the stakes when batman starts fighting all the riddler impersonators by letting them all shoot him at pointblank range.
>>198528037Riddler thought he and Batman had the same vision and goals; that's what >>198521738is referencing;He hated Bruce Wayne so much, while idolizing his idea of Batman that the possibility of them being the same person never crossed his mind.While in Arkham, he could safely watch, along with his bestie Bats, the flooding of Gotham.
>>198520336How can you miss the subtly and nuance of him saying "I think I'm his next target."? He's talking as Bruce, not Batman. He's realizing The Riddler is after Bruce Wayne.
>>198520336Why was Batman such a brainlet in this movie? The whole "You are El Rata Alada" was beyond embarrassing, but the worst part is that Riddler won. Batman failed to stop his master plan.
>>198528292He's talking as Batman.And Bruce definitely believed Riddler knew he was batman when he said that, see >>198526328
Directors are too stupid to write their own movies. Look at the nosedive Nolan/Snyder/Villeneuve movies have taken after they've started directing their own movies. The same applies to whatshisface that did The Boreman.
>>198528360Failed to solve any riddle in time, failed to think that maybe the high up DA he just uncovered in the mafia club could possibly be the next target when it was so painfully obvious, failed to catch the riddler in time until he just gave up.
>>198528360What is so dumb about the El Rata Alada thing? Bruce knew it was referencing the rat in the Sal Maroni case, so he assumed it was Penguin. He and Alfred even noticed the bad spanish. Only later he noticed it was meant to be URL
>>198528504I don't know, how about the part where the world's greatest detective couldn't realize that someone as meticulous as Riddler wouldn't fuck up a simple translation? That part where he had to be helped by a random cop because his cop was a carpenter didn't help either.
>>198528408>directing their own movies.writing
>>198521364>people are literally disqualified from becoming police if they score too highly on the aptitude testWhat? That sounds too retarded to be true. What could possibly be the rationale behind that if it is?
>>198528504>>198528567Really it's bad because it has multiple solutions that all make sense, bat, falcon, penguin all could be the one that riddler intended and all makes sense at different times in the script.It makes it feel pointless like oh hey he's the riddler we gotta riddle something.
>>198528617I heard this in Europe too. The rationale being that people who are too smart would end up leaving the force or promoting or some shit.Probably an urban myth.
>>198528642So you're complaining that the Riddler made a riddle?
>>198528617State doesnt want people smart enough to question what they're sent to do in the people with the monopoly on force?
>>198528686It's hardly a riddle though you just need to speak spanish or type it into google translate lmao
>>198528686An uninteresting one
>>198528686It was a shitty riddle and it made Batman look like a retard for not figuring it out. Riddler even called him out on it at the end. His face when realized Batman is a brainlet was priceless.
>>198528617There is no rationale because he just made it up.
should have been 2 hour movie
>>198520336I don't know if they did this on purpose but I really like the way the logo looks like an eye the farther away you are from it. When the spotlight goes up in the beginning of the movie it looks like a giant eye in the sky looking down at all the criminals.
>>198523113You do know that "bringing him into the light" was a metaphor, right? Riddler could have killed him any day of the week, he just wanted to first unmask him in the public.
>>198529764The movie makes a big point about Batman looking up at the street lamp lol
>>198528155maybe because he built his entire persona on vengeance, which is kind of the whole point of the movie
>>198529803because the lamp is just what reminds him of riddler in the moment, fucking hell youre retarded
>>198529803Yes, to bring it home to the audience. Must have flown past your head.
>>198529828>>198529851Are you trying to be funny or something?The riddle was "bring him into the light and you'll find where I'm at".Riddler knew his vantage point would be obvious when shooting Falcone at that exact location: under the streetlamp.That's how and when he wanted to be caught.
>>198529912Yes, that doesn't really contradict anything I said.That's what we call a double meaning.
>>198530008The point is "bring him into the light" wasn't (only) a metaphor, it literally referred to the street light.
>>198528360What gave me a head scratch is that the Riddler said that he considered himself to be the brains of the operation, and that Batman could be him brawnl.BUT...Throughout the entire movie the Riddler is going out alone kidnapping and killing all the corrupt politicians and city officials using his... wait for it... his brawls. He isn't even using his followers or anything. He is going alone directly overpowering everyone.
>>198528262He figured it out as the interrogation went on. He started singing the song. It's more less about kind of a journey. The name is a latinized version of Bruce's mom's name. More less a flood happens, guy goes to a lake and a lady offers him power but with a sacrifice. He's singing Bruce's/batman's story saying I figured out who you are cryptically. Rewatch the scene then look up the song setting and story. He knows Bruce is Batman and Martha,/maria are his mom
>>198523191>>198529714kek I get it now
The Riddler is up in the window with his camera.
>>198521022reddit comment
>>198520463I dont remember much about it but i remember at the end he pulls up some carpet to find the riddlers final plans and thought it was stupid than they didnt find it before that . Youd think they would check every square millimeter of this dudes apartment.
>>198528617Most police don't do this, but there was a famous case in Connecticut, in New Haven I think, where the police rejected someone because their IQ score was too high. He sued the police department and lost, but the judge's ruling said something along the lines of "the police have the right to reject you for your IQ test, but what a stupid moronic thing to do"
>>198521364Do you have a source for this that's not reddit?
>>198528617The goal is to increase diversity in the police force
>>198520336Gotta love that soundtrack, the same two fucking notes over and over for 3 hours
>>198531853This is bullshitIt's been illegal to do IQ tests for jobs for almost half a centuryThe courts claimed it violated the Civil Rights Act
>>198532033The whole thing is just repeated by communists as a way of expressing displeasure towards the police
>>198520336>This city has a new order. It has a new god now, and I will unleash my wrath. You can't save them all, Batman.>Watch me.different batman but I whispered kino under my breath in the theater when this scene happened nonetheless
>>198531601>commentGet the fuck off my board newfag
>can plant 10 high explosive van bombs around the entire city>can smuggle in 15 heavily armed incels into the one place most heavily guarded in the city>cant plant a single bomb in the actual venue, where their coalescence and mass murder was the goal anyway>the 15 incels with literal sniper perches kill zero (0) people???????
Love this shot
>>198526278because he's racist like giuliani
>>198532315It was a subtle nod to the infeasibility of the JFK assassination.
