That damned smile editionPreviously on Shogun >>198523127
Finish this sentence>Mariko-sama...I...
so glad i decided to watch the final episode alone because i started crying like a little bitch when fuji said thismy friends would've never let me hear the end of it
>>198527169
Saars, I want to redeem Fuji so bad...
Did anyone else see this background extra without a fucking head?
>>198527169check your testo levels, son
so now that the dust's settled, is it kino or not?
Fuck it. I'm done suffering.I'm moving to Japan and getting my own Fuji consort. Japan just recently opened up mass immigration. Why not an Anjin like me?
>finish watching shogun>go watch japany street interviews>they look nothing like my shogun waifus yabu huh.webm
>>198527219> Carrying a plankAutistic face blindness?
Drawn to BWC like cats to catnip they are
>>198527255Fuck me I need to marry a Japanese cutie and have hapas with her
>>198527238Yes, annual rewatch for sure
>>198527219Anon...his head is behind the beam he's carrying
>>198527238the last episode is a nosedive
>>198527238Initial reaction, very kino.
I cried when I realized the blackthorne's sepuku i'd been hearing about was about to come in ep 10. all the people were saying how they skipped the most important character arc for him and i was bummed. but he got it!
>10 episodes later>there's no actual pay offHoly shit this entire show is an object lesson in blue balls.
>>198527211If all women looked like this birthrates wouldn't be a problem
>>198527238Meh, fails on many points
I thought the finale was a bit of a let-down mostly due to Toranaga's "test" feeling fucking absurd. It didn't need a huge battle scene but it definitely needed more impact. Will there be a second season? As the groundwork is well laid for it at least.
>>198527238kino
>>198527255>watch japany street interviews>every single one of them is either directly or indirectly about asking women if they want to fuck white guys
>>198527407>Teehee I love foreigners they're kind and tall and have blue eyes I want to make hafu babies with one
You think Mariko is looking down from heaven and is pissed that John dropped a holy icon into the water?
>>198527373it has nothing to do with looks
>>198527092>leaves behind her husband and son's ashesDid she get ANGLOed?
>>198527369I was expecting at least 1 decent action sequence. Nope, just endless filler while constantly saying how smart and important Mariko is over and over and over everything that "happens" is off screen or implied or in the future and instead it's "psychological" or some shit.
>>198527238hell no, it could have been good but past the ep4 the nosedive in quality was quite noticeable, similar to what happened to the terrori thought I had found the kino spiritual successor of succession, silly me
>>198527396No, the story is over.
>>198527495There was an action sequence literally just last episode.
>>198527479not as pissed as john is that the first english piloted ship to reach japan was put to the torch
>>198527369The payoff is them finally respecting each other and coming to mutual understanding an support. The sexual payoff we already had with Mariko in episode 9.
>>198527369not to mention the gaping plotholes, like how did toronaga who was already defeated and surrounded by a superior army suddenly teleport to edo and acquire a giant army? and when killers killed mariko by placing explosive on the door, why did they disappear after the blast?
>>198527238put it this way...would you ever rewatch it?the answer is fuck no
>>198527498>SuccessionThank god it wasn't dogshit like that.
>>198527495Yeah, it's the woman behind every successful man, the show
>>198527396There will be a buddy spin off, ground laid. Buntaro and John. Shogun Knights
>gets over Mariko and wins over Fuji within a single episode and convinces her to move on from her past family and now, having no reason to become a nun, stay with him as consort and began being pillowed by himbased beyond beliefwell done Blackthorne
This show was japanese heavy, there were barely any scenes with Rodrigues and Alvito.
>>198527536Toranaga was in Edo all the time
>>198527532>mutual understanding and support>Toranaga literally considers the Anjin his slave/clown>we're meant to think Ajin has now reached enlightenment because he accept this and his inferiorityit's blatant left wing propaganda and you need to be retarded not to see itthe show literally revolves around 'strong female characters' who drive everything
>>198527238In some ways it's really, really good but in other ways a failure. I think covid really hurt the production, it would have looked a lot better visually if they shot it in Japan as originally planned.
>>198527551succession's worst episode is comparable to shogun's pilot, that's how underwhelming shogun has been
>>198527578Do americans think they're in a sitcom all their lives?
>>198527578thats not what happened tho
>>198527578I think John will wife her
I was someone who thought the plot was moving too slowly, but I think the final episode redeems that. A lot of the characters previous actions are re-contextualized in a way I found satisfying.
>>198527536>oh noMariko is suicidal, we need to stop her from committing seppeku but stealthily without anyone knowing>send in the ninjas with bombs asaptop kek
They just announced the next series, the adventures of Fuji
>>198527373This is a Jap only thread.Don't post filthy dogs here.
>>198527569>it's the woman behind every successful manIt's honestly true. But not in the leftist sense "every successful man was actually created by a woman", but in the more traditional meaning "behind every successfull man is a woman who supports him and looks after his well-being when he's exausted by providing". I met some seriously rich and powerful men during my work as a translator and almost all of them had good families and they all had good wives who served as the glue holding the household together.
>>198527522it sucked
>>198527589sorry, i meant teleported FROM edo
>>198527614>Show where rich trust fund babies have dysfunctional lives>The end is that the company gets sold and nothing changes because they are so useless they can't do anything.The show where nothing happens.
>>198527396Nothing much exciting happens after that he just builds a fleet of ships and becomes the top foreign diplomat in Japan.
>>198527653Japan is a swam- *ACK*
>thank you ajin-sama for fucking my wife
>>198527609The ending is fucking hysterical, Blackthorn and Buntaro look at each other nod and smile as they embrace being mutual cucks.
>>198527609You are no better than leftists, you are probably a westerner and have no concept of soft power and nuance just like most westerners.
>>198527685nothiy happened in shogun either if you reduction it like that, at least succession had god tier dialogue and acting
>>198527726>>198527699Why does Japan love cuckolding so much?
>>198527726Good for the dude, he cleaned up nicely and went for his dream, which is more than I can say about most people on this website
>>198527609Anjin accepts that he is Toranaga’s enemy. Shortly after the events of Shogun the English begin making trouble for the Japanese. Their final look to each other on the beach, after John pulls his ship out of the water, is meant to convey an adversarial relationship
>>198527780Lmao what? William Adams was a trusted advisor to Tokugawa his entire life and negotiated exclusive trade rights for the Dutch iirc.
>>198527755They're honorary Meds. Infidelity is tacitly accepted by most of their society.
>>198527780This is completely wrong but ok, it's funny how people suggest these fantastical takes as a cherry on top to try and get you to accept what is otherwise a 10 episode humiliation ritual.
>>198527765It's not even the same person, dude on the left has lighter hair and a completely different beard/mustache growth pattern.
>>198527799This, and he died in 1620, he wouldn't have lasted 20 fucking years in feudal Japan if he had an "adversarial relationship" with the fucking Shogun of all people, lmao
Now go watch Silence (2016)
>>198527673that's ok, but if you made a show about it, i would expect it to be called the housewives not the shogun
>>198527238It's a one off show. You watch it, and you never revisit again because there is no nuance to it in subsequent viewings. The only thing you can do from here is read the book and/or start reading up on the Tokugawa Period of Japan.
>>198527578wishful thinking
>>198527780English didnt have to do anything with japan until the 1850s wtf are you on about ? After the portuguese were driven off the dutch took their place trading exclusively through nagasaki.
>I >FED>YOU>PEEPEE POOPOO
>Toranaga portrayed as keikaku master>would've gotten nowhere had it not been for Anjin and Mariko
>>198527735>nothiy happened in shogun either if you reduction it like that,Toranaga wins, his schemes work, the Sengoku period ends and begins the Edo period which will be a prosperous era. Plenty of historical detail to learn and get attached too.>SuccessionA shit flinging content between a retarded family that is tenuously based off the Murdochs. Nothing happens of consequence, no one is likable, nothing is entreating, and only boredom follows those dumb enough to enter.
I havent even watched the finale episode, should I ? The show is pretty underwhelming to me, the intrigue is retarded as fuck, I thought it would be based on more historical japan as in the battle of Sekigahara (I read shogun like 20 years ago forgot everything). Its just some armenian mutt yapping and cursing while some japs take it and are judging him quietly. Its boring as fuck.
Now that the dust has settled, it's time to admit it fell off hard after a few episodes and it's not contrarian to say so
>>198527805In the book, she kills herself
>>198527780
>>198527092Haven't seen the final episode yet, what am I in for?
>>198527910>Edo period >which will be a prosperous era>prosperous eraTopkek, you get 100 years of growth and then 200 of stagnation.
Yabushige killed himself like a chad, zero hesitation
>>198527373>nayeon gtfo and don't come back you pos
gonna start the last episode bros
>Fujichads actually won Today's a good day
>>198527902>His original plan was to raise the banners and go for Crimson Sky>Earthquake happens, kills his forces>Has to resort for help from his half-brother>Half-brother betrays him, as he expected most likely>If it wasn't for his son being retarded, he would have been fuckedSee, this is where I'm confused. What was his plan before his son died? Try to convince his half-brother to back him? I mean, it's obvious he had a plan since the owner of the brothel caught whiff of it. It couldn't have been getting Mariko killed because at that point the relationship between Ishido and Ochiba was still strong. Surely he wasn't relying on his son being reckless and getting himself killed?
>>198527945Which episode caused it to fall off? Can you say?
>>198527942and some retarded weebs here think it's better than succession, let that sink in
>>198527238not reallytoranaga and yobu try to save itbut blackthorne is a terrible actori cringe anytime he's on screen pretending to be confusedhurrrr *yells loudly* durrrrrr *looks around like a retard* im a stupid foreigner hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
>>198528095It is better than succession
>>198527995Compared to the Sengoku it was.
Show fell off really hard at episode 5 or so and never recovered, could have been one of the all-time greats if it continued as good as it startedSome Fuji pussy could've helped too, but apparently we're not getting that
>>198528051>Surely he wasn't relying on his son being reckless and getting himself killed?All part of the keikaku hehe
Yabu-chads, how do we get out of this one?
>>198528095Succession is dogshit. Shogun has flaws but at least it isn't that bad.
>>198527995Yeah, it was because at some point, the traditional agriculture based economy can't keep up with the population growth. No matter what the Tokugawas tried, they weren't going to improve the situation by a lot without ending the isolationism policy. It all crumbled almost instantly after the Perry Expedition reached Japan in 1853
>>198527238it filters /tv/, main criticism boils down to "that charater is a cuck" and "not enough battles", so yeah, it's kino
>>198527942to be honest i remembered chamberlains version as much more interesting, tho i'm probably wrong.it simply has zero meat, blackthorne does nothing, toronaga the same, so while the setting, costumes, japanese actors and cultural divide are interesting those really can't carry the story
>>1985281861853 was the year Japan was doomed to eventually get nigged up in 2024
>>198528038this was always the plan
>>198527887FEED ME SEED AND SNEED BARBARIAN SAMA
>>198527992Disappointment, it doesn't build up to anything, just flickers off
>>198528232It was either doomed to stay an irrelevant island isolated country, or open up and write itself into world history, which is what it's doing right now.
>>198528095Succession sounds like goyslop too mate. Nothing modern is good it seems.>>198528227Books always will be superior to tv, as well as games. But atleast games have interactivity. Didnt help that it was shot in canada, everything was blue or dark and there existed like 3 locations. Nothing happens at all. As another anon said it felt like getting blueballs for 10 hours.
Did John actually return to this homeland and get kids or was that just a dream sequence? Sorry i'm retarded i know.
>>198528149Honestly, with how he talked about at least having other sons. It might actually been part of the keikaku that his kid would be a retard, get himself killed and give Toranaga almost two months to prepare.
>Choose a second>Let it be the Anjin>NoWhy was Yabushige denied?
>>198528227The first Shogun was filmed almost entirely from Anjin's perspective to relate better to western audienced. This show offers two perspective and it's obvious that his persona is not that important in the grand scheme of things.
>>198528264>open yourself up >you can't be part of world history unless you get niggerized and go extinct, goy
Budget-sama bros what the fuck happened
>>198528301He never went home and died in Japan a wealthy and powerful man with Japanese wife and kids. He did support his English family with money though. Google "William Adams, Miura Anjin", this show is loosely based on a real story.
>>198528301Beats me, he does hold the mariko's cross that he obviously dropped in the sea so it might be a dream
>>198527238Initial expectation: wow this show is gonna be hollywood slopFirst reaction: wow, it's actually kinofinal result: it's okay
>>198528301Given his age, those were likely grandkids. He did mention having a family back home.
>>198528320because then the 5 minute exposition dump that explains what you just wasted 10 hours watching this show for wouldn't happen
>>198527238ep 1-3 good4-8 slog9-10 meh
>>198528340I'm not taking this bait. Japan was a poor nation with zero natural resources and China nearby, it had to integrate into the world or be forever behind.
>>198527673You forgot that they, in all likelihood, cheated on those same women as well. Something about good women make good men terrible people or unfaithful and I have no idea why that is. Vice-versa is true, too. Are we all just prone to self-sabotage?
I have more respect for the poor dumb anons who come in to ask questions than the ones who say the show fell off and when pressed make it obvious they barely understand what's happening too.
>>198528396They already traded with the dutch as they did with the portuguese before, this bs thats happening atm with every developed and liveable nation has nothing to do with demographic or economic survival but getting buttfucked.
>>198528159Just keep playing both side-ACKK
>>198528301No. Its a dream sequence due to his head injury and wanting to go home. He never leaves. William, the real dude John is based off of, never goes back to England and dies in Japan with a wife and some kids.
>>198528301>>198528364Anons...He threw the rosary in the ocean...Toranaga himself said he wasn't going to let the Anjin leave and would burn the ship again before allowing him to leave...Anjin himself gave up on going back to England that day he saw his drunk crewmate in that bar...Anons...
Yabushigebros...
>>198528433Unironically, good women often understand that men have urges because of the testosterone and turn the blind eye. In the way of "he might fool aroun on the side, but he will always return to me". I'm not kidding, I know it because I'm not from the West.
>Tora and Yabu just describe what happens nextWhat an insane way to end your series. Absolutely fucking unhinged.
>>198527801This is actually so true, holy shit. There's this weird vibe among the Japanese hippie era generation (Born 1950-ish to 1970-ish) about propriety over actually loving your wife/husband and not cheating on them. As in, "it's okay as long as I don't find out about it".
>>198528472I don't even remember the context or episode of the bottom panel because 90% of the show as so forgettable.
>>198528461>>198528374>>198528364>>198528362Thanks anons
Anjin leaving Osaka was better done in the 80s series. Here we don'teven get to see Rodruigez.
>>198528497That'll be 6 mirrion dorrar + tip
>>198528445Yeah, traded with the Dutch in one single port in Nagasaki, strictly restricting what could be traded while remaining almost completely ignorant how they were getting left behind by the progress for 250 years. Have you researched why the Boshin war actually started?
>>198528479I'm not talking about the roving eye of guys who pork hot women on the DL. I'm talking about the weird habit of men, who are built up with the support of a good wife in deed and character, regardless of looks, get that trust betrayed at an alarming rate. And I know it's the truth for the opposite sex, too. I'm just weirded out at what causes this. Only thing I can posit is that we want to be ruined by some genetic predisposition.
>>198528531It honestly begs the question why the character existed at all, they do nothing
>>198528543Worked well enough for those two centuries. Ill be honest I am ignorant of the opening of japan in 1853 and the boshin war. But still, opening up like that has nothing to do with whats happening nowadays.
>>198528396>Japan is an aging nation with a stagnant economy and low birthrates, it needs to accept niggers or be left behind goy
Show WON.
>>198527974>>198527885>>198527836>>198527818>>198527799He even screams it at him in this episode, “I am your enemy”. The reason Toranaga burns his ship is because if he let Anjin sail back to England, the first thing he would say is “they are backwards and we can conquer them”. The sequel to this book is set during the 1800s when the British and the Japanese fight. The reason Anjin accepts being the clown-bitch advisor is accepting this reality from Toranagas point of view. So adversarial relationship is too strong but you get what I mean
>>198528470Toranaga's motivation at keeping Blackthorne around really boiled down to him seeing the man as a "useful, amusing moron". That was shocking to me. Almost as shocking as the reveal that Ishido's paranoia about Toranaga was, indeed, well-founded and that the other Regents wouldn't have been wrong in condemning him. It's like finding out that, for instance, Aragorn and Gandalf weren't really doing it for the good for Middle-Earth and were power players as much as Sauron and Denethor were. It's fucking astounding. I loved that twist.
Adapt it you cowards.
>>198528543>NOOO, YOU NEED GDP LINE TO GO UP, REGARDLESS IF IT DESTROYS YOUR PEOPLE AND CULTUREConservaniggers are mentally ill
>>198528630shill
Ishidosisters, we were vindicated in the end
>>198528658You can't tell me that the Yabushige and Toranaga conversation wasn't a good damn twist.
>>198528655All sides of the political spectrum are like that. Pretty fucking stupid if you ask me and I'm a brownoid in a third world country, wouldn't want a bunch of foreigners no matter the race or nationality to come here and kill my culture.
>>198528630anon Toranaga had a specially-made suit of Shogun armour that he saw in a dream. it wasn't exactly concealed that he wanted to be Shogun. Onu also basically states outright that he's the father of the heir.
>>198528623bigly retarded
Has some flaws but enjoyable. Eventually I'll forget about the bad parts and it will be much better in my head than it was in reality. Hopefully I'll never make the mistake of rewatching to refresh the memory of those flaws
Toranagas Brother looks like he owns an imageboard
This is who is saying the finale was disappointing
>>198528607They will hold through if they stick to their values and keep immigrants out.
>>198528735Yeah, but we believed that he was doing it out of benevolence and because he was running out of options. The whole series basically framed him as the lesser of all the evils among the potential dictators for Japan ... and it turned out that he was no better than Ishido or the rest. I love that twist. And he's not the father of the heir. Rather, he knows the truth of the heir. The real father to the heir is some lucky rando.
>>198528601>Worked well enough for those two centuriesExcept it didn't. It worked fine for the first 100-150 years, after that it was total stagnation and lack of resources. People were literally starving because the population growth far outpaced economical/agricultural growtn. People who were supporting the Shogunate and were against modernization were mostly from the Samurai caste, who lived on fertile lands, while his opponents were 2nd rate daimes, who lived on poor lands, hence suffered a lot more from this stagnation. The Last Samurai has done some damage by showing the samurai as those noble savages, who live by honor and were trying to preserve the traditions against evil West and their own Japanese "sell outs", and it completely omits the fact that there are two sides of this story and that the Samurai were useless burden on the country budget.
正式結果藤様の勝利
>>198528793these are the "people" who prefer fallout over shogun
>>198528793At first I thought it was a filipino because they love mixing their monkey language with english sentences until I noticed it's just ebonics. Why do they speak like that lol.
>>198528601Didnt at all. And the Dutch trading in Nagasaki was the only thing that kept them from completely falling behind technologically. Also, funnily enough, the clans that had access to the Dutch were also the ones that overthrew the Shogunate and allowed Japan to become a modern nation. Weird.
>>198528393I agree middle is slogBut 8-10 were my favorites.
I feel like the order of the two final scenes should have been swapped around, Blackthorne accepting his place in his new life and getting over the dream that haunted him is the emotional fulfilment worthy of the final scene. Apart from that I think it was great and didn't mind that they just discuss the "payoff" as a foregone conclusion, though it did bother me they removed Blackthorne's pivotal role in the future of the shogun as he became a key advisor who became the shogun's interpreter, helped expell Catholicism and secured exclusive trade rights for the Netherlands.
>>198527685Tbh Succession is not a plot driven show, one watches it just because it's funny, and because they like the characters and their shenanigans. It's essentially a sitcom with a higher production value.
>mfw I see retards that think the finale was boring because there was no boom boom kaboom there will never be a show as good as this ever. this was the last one.
>>198527685Imagine if Succession ended with the three siblings talking about what they would do if their dad died.
So the nobel japanese lord we were rooting for was a power hungry evil bad guy the whole time??
Leaked footage of Shogun season 2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIHMz78-qWQ
>>198528655Where are the achievements of Edo Japan? Where are their marvels of engineering? Voyages of discovery? Their great insights into the nature of the universe? Even at our basest, when Europeans dressed as they did, dwelt as they did, farmed as they dod, lived as yas they did, we did more than merely survive. We built wonders. We made great journeys. We forged epics. Japanese have not.You speak so proudly of the swords dangling from your hip, little realizing that they are but strings and you puppets. What little you have accomplished you attribute to the wisdom of your yamato-damashii, which is nothing but the slurred ramblings of sake-drunk samurai. Your warrior culture moors you to the past, serving as a leash that keeps you as little better than apes, sad parodies of civilization that lack that special spark to become something more.
I am disappointed if I'm completely honest.
>>198529049No, no, the noble Japanese Lord we were rooting for was as much a player of the game as the others were. Basically, he was just Yabushige with brains and more resources. He even says the same thing to Yabushige.
>>198529097Stealing this quote, incorporating it into my writing and never crediting you. Thanks for the literary ladder that will get me over my hump. It is mine now.
>>198529049Basically, he's literally murdering his own villagers with a false witch-hunt he made up to test the Anjin's loyalty. He's not morally good by any means.
The fact that he still can't speak the language kind of sullies the whole "anjin is a real man of the japans now" thing they were going forAnd in the absence of that really being built up at all, the show should have just ended with the last episode probably
>>198529097Have they done nothing of notice with regards to architecture and art in general? It's not a rhetorical question, I really don't know (and personally idgaf about technologies and voyages)
Are getting a season 2, or this' the end?
>>198529097Ironically, the only real thing the Japanese could offer the world during the Edo period were their swords. Japanese merchants could actually sell Japanese swords x100 the actual cost in China each and the Chinese would actually pay such insane prices because the quality was top notch. Otherwise, Japan had nothing to offer, and nobody actually gave a fuck about Japan until the US started going around the Pacific Ocean in the 1800s and needed a base for fixing and servicing their ships.
>>198527238>so now that the dust's settled, is it kino or not?I give it a 6/10, like an ugly girl with a fat ass. It's not great, but it'll do in a pinch.
where can i watch it with subs?
>>198529203:)
Why aren't you going to IMDB and Rotten Tomatoes RIGHT NOW?
>>198529097>thinks opening Japan to foreigners would make them European The absolute state of brown people that think they're smart
What lesson is this show telling us? Just give up your own autonomy and accept that you are just a pet or tool for some douchebag diamyo?
>>198529188I mean, he has stayed there for only a few months, and for most of that time he wasn't with Mariko (meaning that no one around him could teach him the language). Now add to the mix the fact that Japanese is a very difficult language for westerners, and the fact that Blackthorne wasn't an educated man in the first place. Considering how little time he has been there, and how little support he got, Blackthorne did quite well.
>>198529049Are you really surprised that a Sengoku Jidai period warlord from one of the most noble bloodlines didn't give a flying fuck about murdering peasants?
>>198529246answer me you papist shit.
>>198529266>What lesson is this show telling us? Just give up your own autonomy and accept that you are just a pet or tool for some douchebag diamyo?only if you're white
>>198529255What the fuck am I looking at, anon? Honest question.
>>198529203I think they have left themselves open for a Season 2. That said, if it happens, it'll be mostly original content. In the book, all that's left is Anjin building the fleet, and Toranaga going to Osaka, so the writers of the show would have to make up lots of filler/new storylines in order to make 10 episodes out of that.
>>198529203It's the end of the book, anon. The only way a "season 2" could happen is if they adapted Gaijin but that has almost nothing to do with Shogun.
>>198529218>SORRY, BUT THE ISOLATIONISM WILL STOP
>>198528470yeah, it's not the anons fault when the creator doesn't have skills to portray what's happening without ambiguity
>>198529218>Gold was one of key commodities that connected India with Japan through inter-national trade during the early modern period. Japanese gold was delivered to Indiaby the Dutch East India Company (Verenigde Oost-Indische Compagnie: hereafterVOC), which was engaged in intra-Asian maritime trade between Japan and Ara-bia on a large scale. In fact, the VOC was a unique business organisation amongEast India Companies in western Europe. It conducted not only Euro-Asian tradebut also intra-Asian trade. And by combining these two types of trade, this Dutchcompany obtained huge profits. Needless to say, Japanese gold was handled withinthe profitable framework of the intra-Asian trade by the VOCHuh ? They also traded massively in silver through the dutch.
>>198529188He was living in Japan for not even a year at that point and Japanese is one of those languages that are as far removed from his native as it gets. Do you really expect him to speak decent Japanese in less than a year?
>>198529358Yes? His life depended on it and people who want to watch JAV without subs have advanced faster than thatNo excuse, he's just a brainlet
>>198529358He did in the book. Helps to have a dictionary and being taught for a month straight.
>>198529188The story of the show ends at a point where they could not show any of his assimilation. Anjin IRL did learn fluent Japanese and even became the shogun's interpreter/advisor on all things foreign, then went on to start his own trading company. But the show ends before he even starts building new ships, which would have been his first big contribution to his work for the shogun.
>>198529347Japanese silver is peanuts, and they have almost no gold indeed. This is not nearly enough and the trade with the Dutch was very restrictive.
>>198529323>>198529331no no I can let it go I WANT MY KINO JAPANESE WAIFE THAT LOOK LIKE LIKE PIC RELATED
>>198529294Read the book and you'll find out.
>>198529421Literally whats your source ? It was the most sought after commodity of the dutch until the japs prohibited trade with it.
>>198529307You don't know about the subreddits for discussion about asian masculinity, oppression, representation, WMAF and so on? It's a gold mine when shows like this comes out, or the movie Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
>>198529358perfect, no, but there are literally thousands of people in japan who have lived there for like 5 months and have japanese x10 better than show anjin.the difficulties are mostly in the written form and humble vs honorific speech, both of which aren't really important when it comes to just getting your point across through the spoken word
>>198529427For me she mogs every other actress on this show.
>>198529427Like the only thing the show didn't cover from the end of the book is Toranaga and Fuji planning her own death now that her service is completed and Ishido being buried up to his neck after losing and dying three days later
>>198529469I've seen too much jav to the point where I can't look at a japanese woman without think first thinking of screeching porn.
>>198529467they didn't have duolingo back then
>>198529332Shogun cast in a Friends-esque comedy mini-series when?>Buntaro: WE WERE ON A BREAK>Blackthorne: Ayyyyyy how YOU doin?>Yabushige: Anything Phoebe does
Will Moeka Hoshi's role as Fuji in this show help her career back in Japan?
>>198529467Those people have textbooks written for people who speak their language, they have tutors, they are surrounded by natives who can speak their language, and there are entire institutions devoted to teach Japanese to people like them. Hell, they even have access to an universal translator on their fucking phone, and an endless stream of learning resources on youtube.Literally no comparison with being a barely literate ship captain ending up in a fishing village in the 16th century, and having access every once in a while to literally only 3 people who can understand him.
>>198529559>Anjin-dono, your streak will end if you forget to log in todayIt's amazing how good it is, desu
>>198529559if you washed up on japan with no resources you'd probably learn more japanese in a single day than a year spent on duolingo desu
>>198529459I know that it was sought after, as was silver everywhere, however it's just metal after all. With the isolationism policy, they had no way to actually convert this silver into good that would've allowed them not to get left behind technologically, they suffered an insane cultural shock in 1853, when it turned out that the Grorious Nihon was completely powerless against some filthy barbarians. I actually love Japan and its culture, I don't want to shit on it, but we should not romanticize the traditionalists.
>>198529097>Voyages of discoverySome samurai did go on a fun little expedition to Vatican City, going through Mexico, to meet the pope if that counts. They didn't actually meet the pope though since I guess he saw no reason to meet them. I heard some of the people that went on that expedition actually stayed behind in Mexico too and there is a katana somewhere in Spain that was gifted to the mayor of one of the places they stopped at.
>>198529592>barely literate ship captainHe already speaks English, Dutch and Portugese. And being forced to speak the language is the fastest way to learn, it's way more effective than classes and tutors.
>>198529610Nigger youre retarded. I provide you textual source that it was a trade commodity used by the dutch to export and import stuff into and from the country and you just talk this bs.
>>198529601>Anon lands on ancient Japan's shores>End up with a harem of Japanese MILFs + a house and servants + a generous salary and a ban from commandeering any naval vessel above a certain size
>>198529593Can somebody recommend me some resources either in English, Spanish or Russian for learning N5 Japanese or should Duolingo be enough for a novice? I'm that Russian anon who wants to go to Japan for a couple of months in Autumn. Thank you in advance bros!
>>198529592Did you forget that he had fucking marikoconstant interaction is literally the best way to learn a language, it's way better than textbooksim not saying he should be exceptionally literate or anythingBUT At this point, he would be more than capable of holding an actual conversation though
>>198529618>That storyWe genuinely needs this made. Like, yesterday. A bunch of Japanese Samurai bros having adventures in learning new languages, making new friends and people, learning about cultures and growing as people and characters? It would be a hit series.
>>198529332>KNOCK KNOCK
>>198529593kek>>198529601keep in mind the nobility basically speak a different language than the ordinary citizens, it's why the spy-dude broke character at the end thereall of the actors who actually speak Japanese had to learn "old high Japanese" for the roles
>>198529638Ok, fine. And what did the Japs do with those profits? Any actual investments that could help them keep in touch with the times?
>>198529665Duolingo Premium. Not even joking. Also practice writing characters. It makes it easier to commit to memory.
>>198529673He seemed to get along with Fuji with the amount he knew this episode.
>tfw no jap gunslinger nun gf
>>198529665there is a whole thread about learning japanese on /jp/
all of you right nowmedsand no duolingo
>>198529344With how much the rosary was shown on the dream sequence and then him throwing in the sea later I don't there was any ambiguity left. Do you think that he dived in the ocean looking for it off screen?
>>198529748I will literally write a fantasy novel about a cowboy isekai'd into a medieval alternate Japan with firearms and Stands and one waifu will be a gunslinging lady and the other is a samurai guardian woman.
>>198529691>Thousands of Spanish people have the surname Japón (originally Hasekura de Japón), identifying them as descendants of the members of Hasekura Tsunenaga's delegation.Sounds like they FUCKED along the way too.
>>198529344There was none. Everyone I've discussed this episode with irl got it.
>>198529665>N5Stop this fucking meme, the N system is MEANINGLESS until N2 at the barest minimum, and I'm being extremely generous. Anyone bragging about anything below that is a fucking retard. /djt/niggers are more reasonable than your ilk, Jesus
>>198528555Why do you think Sultans had many wives? Just sex?
>>198529728NEVER going to make it.
>>198529832 I'm not delusional about Japanese, I speak several language and completely understand that after 5-6 months I will be at best be able to hold a simple conversation with a cashier or ask for something. It is better than coming to a country like Japan completely unprepared though.
are you studying the wind yet, anon-sama?
>thought they did him dirty in ep9 and turned him into a one-dimensional traitor>finale rolls around>best character status confirmed
>>198529946Is this actor famous in Japan? He's so charismatic, stole the show in every scene he was in.
>>198529601>>198529636The jump from english to those language is way easier, given the shared vocabulary that comes from the romance and germanic heritage. With Japanese you have to start learning everything from scratch.>>198529673The interactions weren't constant. There were weeks in which he was with her, and then he would not see her for weeks, and so on. Also she wasn't always available, only in the first week or two she was shadowing him, for the rest of the series she was mostly hanging out with Toranaga and other noblemen.
>>198529972I found out he's Raiden in the MK movie and he's fucking terrible in that. Just goes to show what an actor can do with good material
>>198529972He's worked in some kinos like Zatoichi with Takeshi Kitano.
>>198529466I knew about asianmasculinity, it seems to be filled with social rejects and losers even by reddit standards. What about WMAF? Here in Russia it's completely normal and nobody bats an eye if you date an Asian chick, hell my own grandma was Asian, from the Indigenous Siberians
>>198529972Dunno, but talking about Western films, he had an excellent role in Scorsese's Silence
>>198529972He's amazing, his whole career is filled with hits. Check out Survive Style 5+ and Last Life in the Universe for more Tadanobu kino.
>>198528630Right, so he keeps Blackthorne around as a court jester? Seems a bit weird
>>198529972Yeah, he's also one of the three big Japanese exports to Hollywood (along with Sanada and Watanabe). He was Hogun in the Thor movies and Raiden in the newest MK. Go watch Ichi the Killer and the Beat Takeshi Zatoichi reboot.
>>198529946>>198529972He was in Silence, didn't even realize it was him but he was pretty excellent in ithttps://youtu.be/JfzriULmrvA
>>198527238It petered out.
>>198530036Not as much an issue in Russia because Siberians have been Russian for quite a bit, but here certain Asian men seethe at white dudes dating Asian women due to demasuclizing them or something.
>>198528623The English could also be used as a counter to the portuguese gaining to much influence in Japan
>>198527942Basically it’s how do we change the show from the 80s, they went with more realism which people like and no the torture death from episode one doesn’t matter. But the downside is that the white guy is treated like the colonial piece of shit he is and by law must get fucked over forever and always look retarded until the end. You never get to have fun watching him and the actor is one of the dumbest voiced bumbling oaf fuckboy actors of all time. But you can still enjoy the realism.
>>198530016>>198530021>>198530037>>198530050>>198530069>>198530078Thanks anons, he's a delight to watch, will definitely check those out.
>>198527614filtered
im gonna miss him bros
>>198529266I don't think there is a lesson. Maybe, "be smart"? Blackthorne learns to be more Japanese, but he isn't like Toranaga. Toranaga almost seems to win because he fully embodies that thing he said early in the show to his son, that you're alone in the world. Ishido seems to think he is like Toranaga, but he places too much faith in the mother of the heir. Yabu looks out for himself but then becomes really attached to Anjin and kind of loses his mind when he accidentally kills Mariko. Toranaga only got really emotional when Hiromatsu killed himself, but that didn't stop him from allowing him to do it to serve Toranaga's purposes. And of course, the final shot is of Toranaga alone while all of his vassals and peasants are working together.
>>198530205>and the actor is one of the dumbest voiced bumbling oaf fuckboy actors of all timeglad to see i'm not the only one who thinks that, he's terrible
>>198527578God I'm so jealous of that infant boy. He is going to be worshipped by his family growing up.
>>198530303Should have thought about that before you decided to get blown up, Mariko-dono.
>>198530116If they are bothered so much by Asian chick dating white boys, they could go for White girls or Latinas. But they are losers of the losers, so they just blame their bad luck with women on other people.
>>198527238went downhill after ep3-4, never recovered
>>198527238Kino, will rewatch it many times in the future
Now that I know it's only black people and pajeets criticizing the show it's put a lot of posts here into perspective.
>>198530431there won't be a big battle next time either lol
>>198527995What the edo period was more than anything was simply solidifying japanese unit after centuries of regional conflicts. It did its job well
9/10 till episode 37/10 from 4 to 72/10 from 8 to 10mariko still winning tho
>>198530453I'm not an American, I don't need every series to be a Marvel-tier capeshit to appreciate it.
>>198529266Funnily enough that's the message the showrunner actually was trying to convey.
>>198530205Its pseudorealism at best anyways. Also everything has that blue filter, its terrible.>White guyDude looks mutted when he lets his natural hair grow out, dont google him. I didnt even care he didnt play the big savior role, its cool. But nothing ever happens, its boring as fuck, and anjin sama could have been removed completely from the series and the only thing missing would have been filler scenes.
>>198527166>... pee pee poo poo
>>198530593you made the same post like five times already, we get it
>>198527238I feel like I've missed two episodes.Absolute trash ending.
>>198527431He was supposed to be completely devastated and defeated here, yet he has that cheeky fucking expression
Holy shit that last episode was absolutely fucking terrible.You faggots are all paid shills aren't you?It got objectively shit towards the end and ends with them pulling out a ship from the water. And that's it, all said and done.Just get a fucking Asian gf and stop shitting up the board with basic bitch shows that you self-insert into
>>198530634I can make it six just for you anon
>>198527092>Those scenes with Blackthorne and FujiKino as fuck, truly the OTP
>>198528519Yeah, it couldn’t just be that you have the memory of a goldfish.
wait, this is the end? no episode 11?
This show started off so strong but just kind of fizzled out. Are they going to do a season 2?
>>198528793Kek actual subhumans
>>198530675he has the same expression throughout the show, it's the "please get these contact lenses out of my eyes" expression
>>198530754Is this even English?
>>198527431I cannot believe people before the internet would unironically stare at nothing all day.
>>198530795Pidgin. Get cultured, drumpftard.
>>198530792You sure it's not him realising he's about to get some pity pillowing?
>>198530584Holy kek no wonder I felt the show was so cuckedit literally was
>>198530712It was terrible, Fuji who's whole life is bound to the remains of her husband and child, decides to throw them in the water because some barbarian suggested it, because he's a sea captain, and Japanese have never heard about the ocean before or have a tradition how to respect their dead.
>>198530078This is where I recognize him from. His acting in english is really amazing and he sounds so different from his normal gruff Japanese voice it actually took me a while to realise it's the same actor.
>>198527092how the hell did she resist the bwc, monstrous willpower.
>>198530754Shitposters, your response?
>>198530871She loves the BWC
>>198530822in uncomfortable positions too, but guess that's the price of an enlightenment
>>198530871Unlike you, Fuji does not have autism and thus understands symbolism
>>198530829God fucking damnit I miss my Asian ex.
>>198530829The show runners were cucks.The source material is so based they couldn't ruin the show completely.
>>198530873>His acting in english is really amazingHelps that his dad was a US citizen
>>198528301It was to show him how much he'd just miss Japan in England. After that he no longer want to leave.
>>198530584He had no agency from the second he landed in Japan. He's a glorified slave that can never leave the country and they give him land and a wife to make it easier to swallow.
>John and Yabushige never got to sail the seas away from Toranaga's absolute horseshit
>>198529946true, him and toronaga carry this shitshow
>>198530734It's 100% over
>>198530993It would be the ultimate buddy-samurai show
>>198530871retard she says she should bury them but she doesn't want to let go yet. John helps her move on and he also moves on from Mariko
>>198530958Which is what happened IRL, the real Anjin got his permission to leave that he was begging Tokugawa for earlier after staying in Japan for 11 years, but he had everything a man might want in Japan while in England he'd be back to being a nobody, so he decided to stay.
>>198530978reminder William Adams was eventually given permission to leave Japan (either that or he was given the chance to sneak away by a departing westerner friend) and he refused
>>198531017Toranaga? He was a sniveling whiny little man the entire show. I hoped Anjin would punch him back when he punches him on the cliff. He could have used a smack in the head and then they could have laughed it off together.
>>198531019honto owari da....
>>198531025>John helps her move onyeah, by dumping her loved ones in the water to share their eternity with microplastics
>>198530993>mindbroken shiggy wanting to run away with john and jump overboard to learn to swim>begs tony for a funnier death than sudoku
New thread when???
>>198531094That is generally how you move on yes.
>>198531061He went full native by that point and other white people had little in common with him
>>198531094He drops Mariko too. They both moved on together. It was a nice moment.
>>198527479>Mariko is looking down from heavenhere buddy, a better place for your deliriums
>>198531094it's British navy tradition. the sea accepts all
>>198531022>Yabu becomes the funny uncle to John's kids>Jumps around like an excited kid when he sees a guillotine >Getting to eat roasted pork and other non-fish meats for the first time>Sailing the seas with John, lopping off paptist headsTruly it would have been the best.>>198531107Just a shame they cut stuff like Yabushige starting to genuinely want to be John's friend and telling Omi to do the same cause he knows just how valuable the man is.
>>198527092i really enjoyed it. lots of waifus, fun retard character that betrays everyone, budget tom hardy was fun and some kino fight scenes.i do feel like the cucked husband character could have been cut. he just....is there. doesnt really amount to anything
I'm on episode 6. does this show get better? It's really mid so far
>>198527092>all the actresses look the same, we should give this one a silly haircut>>198528393This, but any scene with Ishido, Toranaga, and Yabushige was good in all episodes.
>>198531204>i do feel like the cucked husband character could have been cut. he just....is there. doesnt really amount to anythingsame goes for every other character
>>198531186Don't do this to me anon.... don't give me hopeful dreams I will never see
>>198531226No you're not shitposter
Holy shit what a boring ass ending.10 episodes invested into "heh the nothing burger was my Masterplan all along"Imagine when fucking AMAZON Prime Fallout has a better ending to the season
>>198531259Oh shit, imagine Yabushige's face when he learns about bullfighting >Anjin-san, you mean to tell me these people would fight these hulking monsters to the death for sport?>Amazing...He'd have a fucking blast.
>>198530993>>198531107How the turn tables
>>198531252nah i dont think thats fair.one character starts out english and then becomes more and more jap until he doesnt know wtf he is, toryaga was supposed to be the "good" jap but he is scum like all others, waifu 1 got her revenge, got plowed and then got the nagasaki, waifu 2 got her closure.all characters changed quite a bit over the season.
>>198531333How would he rank "getting killed by a bull in an arena" on his death scale?That show would be fucking great
>>198531427Higher than seppuku at least, that's for sure.
>>198531109
>>198531490Yeah for sure, but not higher than getting eaten by a pack of wild dogs
>>198531543Thats after death, he wanted his body to be of use even after death a true GOAT
can't believe its all owari da alreadyamericans filtered by that ending
>>198531543I wonder if Yabushige has ever seen an actual wolf?
>>198531402well the husband went from brave dead samurai to live cuck, if that's a character arc for you
>>198531109>>198531542
>yabu falls off a cliff trying to save a sailor and decides to seppuku>yabu dies by seppuku on a cliff after saving a sailor
>>198527238I feel like its a show for midwits, normies and delusional weebs. A lot of conversations about the show I have seen outside 4chan is all about how le epic anjin sama is and how all the Japanese totally respect him and how strange it is that some characters are rude to him from time to time. Combined with very basic questions about japan as if its their first exposure to a story that is not set in US or Europe .tldr: the last samurai is better.
>>198531659it was obvious from the start that he and his wife didnt get along.
>>198527373this thread is only for honorary Aryan Nippon-jins only, get these filthy chosonjin dogs out of this thread please, thanks.
>>198531639Probably not. Your post reminded me of something I saw at a samurai museum in Tokyo. Some guy put a "lion" on his helmet and insignia, but it was only made after a description of a lion because he had never seen a real one before. It looked more like a demon thing.
NEED SOMEWHERE TO WATCH IT WITH SUBS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>198531987Just learn Japanese baka gaijin
>>198531987disney+
>>198527092Shit ending desu. What the hell
Who did John end up with after all? Fuji???
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>>198527407All street interviews are click bait garbage. They don't want to speak to people they just want to use them as proof for whatever ideology they are shilling for.
>>198532055No, she became a nun
>>198532055In the book Fuji goes off and plans to get herself killed after her job was done. After that Toranaga gets married to Kiku and Omi's wife after he divorces her from Omi to placate his scheming cunt of a mom.
>>198527238More kino than not
>>198531107>Tonyare we talking about japs or guidos?
>>198529748this scene was probably the best one the whole show.
>>198528368For me too. In the end it was ok. The costuming was great and the gore well done. But palace intrigue is palace intrigue
