>nothing happens, and then it ends
Bravo Vince

>>198562004
Made it about 10 minutes into this and had to turn it off because it was so horrifically boring. The people that like this are the exact same audience that like The Terror which was also shit.
>muh abominable snowman was great
No it wasn't. Fuck off.
Anyways is Shogun any good, and if so how long does it take to start getting good?

>>198562004
>Crimson Sky was simply sending Mariko in to kill herself

That’s the book. It ends ONE SECOND before the big epic battle of salhigahara begins

>This is the great show /tv/ has been jizzing itself over
Kek you fags always champion utter shit

>>198562107
Unironically nothing happens

>>198562004
The old nasty women when I was in school kept talking about this story, a quick research would have teached you that this was always shitty romance for femcel

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>No flashback of Toranaga stumbling upon Ochiba fucking some peasant to secure a child she can pass off as the heir
>She remains an anime villain the entire time

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>>198562107
It’s ”good” if you like the idea of watching hours of impotent medieval bureaucracies squabble over petty political disputes and the “drama” that ensues for what could have been summed up in an e-mail. It’s basically “ancient staff meetings: in Japan”.

There’s not enough sword fighting, ninjas, warships, horse archery, or warfare or really any of the cool shit people think about when they think of medieval Japan. Netflix did a docuseries on samurai that takes place during the same period and it was both more educational and more entertaining.

People have compared this to game of thrones but game of thrones at least had interesting build up, memorable characters/character development, world building, politics, and conflicts. Shogun was mostly just thumb twiddling and tea parties and if they intend to draw things out for so long then at least make twice as many episodes.

I honestly don’t really care about what happens in season 2 at this point because I know that it’s probably just gonna be 8 episodes long and be released like 2 years from now, and it’ll probably take several seasons before anything good or cool happens if they stick with the pacing of the first season. It’s essentially a soap opera with swords.

>>198562642
>season 2
Nigga the story is over, donezo. There is nothing left to tell. I guess they could adapt the rest of the Asia Saga but they wouldn’t call it Shogun.

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>>198562004
>Mariko should be in every scene
>Everything happens because of Mariko
>And when she isn't on screen, other characters should be asking "Where is Mariko?"

>>198562737
They might, look at what happened with The Terror

>>198562737
Tai-Pan would be utter kino if they have the rights to adapt that. Just don’t know if there would be enough interest for it

So I dodged a bullet? Told you fags lol

>>198562642
There won't be a season 2, it's based on a book that was loosely based on a true story and designed as a sort of fish out of water tale and John Blackthorne is supposed to be the audience's anchor and reference point to experience this alien Japanese culture.
Only in this adaptation both John and Toranaga take a backseat to Mariko. The show should have been called Mariko instead of Shogun.
80's version is a lot better if you enjoy these sort of historical dramas, it's only issue is that towards the end it plays up the romance with Mariko too much but at least she isn't some insufferable bitch.

>>198562737
Didn't stop Amazon from greenlitting Good Omens season 2, despite the first season already covering the book and it intended as a mini-series

If there is money to be made, it doesn't matter if there is no source material, the skilled hollywood writers will be able whip something up

>>198562004
more like a premature ejaculation halfway through

>>198562815
Honestly it’d make more sense for them to adapt the rest of the Asian saga as individual seasons. King Rat and Tai-Pan would make for amazing western adapted oriental based stories if they keep the same team from Shogun. Some of them have more action so that would satisfy the battlefags who watch these kinds of series on their phones.

>>198562107
it gets good within the first episode, but stops being good halfway through

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>>198562642
>season 2

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>aarrgghhhh where is cgi slop final battle?!

>>198562737

Good. It was basically just a waste of time. Too many niggas chatting at tea parties and not enough action, sex appeal, autistic military details, or funny gaijin antics. I honestly wouldn’t recommend this show to anyone, it was like a boring, dry, high school handjob with no climax.

>>198562813
>The show should have been called Mariko instead of Shogun.
It isn't that they expanded her role, her scenes are in the book, it's just that left out most of Anjin and Toranaga out of the story.
It's so distracting when Anjin does nothing when Buntaro returns.
What does he even do in the show?
Far as I remember:
>he saves the Spaniard
>he navigates out of Osaka
>he swims with Toranaga
>he trains the army
>he fucks Mariko
>he makes a deal with Yabu
It's just too little for 10 episodes

>>198563030
>niggas chatting at tea partie
People talking isn't the issue, it's the subject matter.
In the whore they talk some folk tale for 40 minutes.

>>198563031
What made the show feel limiting to me were the sets. No I don’t mean the different locations but the fact the whole entire show takes place on three or four sets for most of it.
>anjins house
>toranagas estate/encampment
>osaka castle
You can even tell they reuse whole sets for indoor scenes a lot to save on budget. It pulled me out of the experience when I noticed this. It just feels so cheap.

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>>198562565
She's exactly the kind of wife you want. Just, you know, don't cross her.

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>>198562746
>>198562813
>>198563031
Remember when the shills INSISTED this wasn't going to end up as some woman-centric feminist slop? I remember.

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>>198562004
What a shitty ending.

When did you guys realize that Buntaro and Blackthorne are the only good guys in the show after all? For me it was ep 6. And this finale confirms that Toranaga had random villagers beheaded and killed for the lolz.

>>198562004
Just like the book kek, 1200 pages of Toranaga trolling

>>198562004
it was pozzed glowie goyslop made by bluepilled women. Zogbots have destroyed society. the east has fallen

Despite being 13% of the population, Minowarans commit 50% of the war crimes

>and then I told her go to Osaka and die for me, a she did it, what a retard hahahaha. Now bring my sword have to kill her best friend and the kid

>>198563201
Jew! I see you.

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>>198562004
>woman > army
powerful

Mariko indeed the Jesus of Japan, she died for Toranaga's sins.
Maybe they could make a religion of it. Perhaps, Mariko was the reincarnation of Jesus

>>198563656
>expecting more out of a high budget production is jewish
Que?

Why that 180° on Toranaga's personality and goals? The last episode made no sense

>>198562004
So I should have huge loads by the end of it?

>>198563763
Anon please remember the eightfold fence.

>>198563201
Yes, but it isn't just the budgeting issue, but idiocy.
See, Japan has a whole industry of sengoku dramas, full of nice sets ready to be rented at affordable prices.
So, instead of flying their team to Japan and the film there, what did they do?
They built 3 sets in Canada, while most of their actors live in Japan.

Considering how much production value Japanese movies have compared to their budget, I'd imagine filming Japan is a lot cheaper.

>>198563336
>>198563763
Toranaga was not any more of a good guy than Ishido. He was just better at playing the game. The truth is that he WAS rebelling and plotting to take the throne all along and was using literally every person in his camp as a disposable pawn to do so. This includes Anjin, his brother, Yabushige, mariko, innocent villagers and even his own son. He was 2 steps ahead of them all and led most of them to their deaths for his own gain. As Yabushige says in their last scene, he is no better than any of the others in his secret heart. He desires power and will get it at any means. He is just the smartest when it comes to obtaining that power. He even kept mariko and Blackthorne together because he knew they had grown close in order to get Blackthorne to stick around. He was playing everyone from the start and manipulating events and people to his favour.

>>198563950
>the throne
i mean the role of shogun ofc. The throne is ceremonial only and Toranaga would be running japan as shogun.

I know 7/10 is sort of a meme but it really is a 7/10

>>198563811
No orgasm I'm afraid

>>198563950
>2 steps ahead
Anon, consistently rolling a d20 and then retardedly claiming you're two steps ahead because everything goes to plan is not actually being two steps ahead.

>>198564082
Toranaga wasnt lucky at all wtf are you on about? How did he roll a d20 with anything? He literally had half of his army wiped out in an earthquake at one point.

He knew his brother would betray him. He knew that Yabushige would betray him. He used both of these things to his advantage. He used mariko & his wife to manipulate the emperors mother and mariko to also destroy any support for Ishido with the other regents. He used mariko to gain favour with the church. His plan was great and worked well because he was 2 steps ahead and knew how others would react to him. His plan with mariko was genius becuse it put Ishido in an lose-lose situation.

does the novel narrate what happens after the show last episode?

>>198564201
>>198564082
he also manipulated events so blackthorne would be loyal to him and want to stay and build him a navy. Not just with the burning of the ship, but with the general treatment of blackthorne from the beginning. Giving him titles and integrating him in to his army. Obviously Blackthorne earned some of this but Toranaga did it all for his own gain. He wanted blackthorne to stay in japan at any cost.

Reminder this board is full of pajeets and zoomers, and that's who's complaining that there should have been more anime bullshit.

You're right, there should have been ZERO action. I want nothing but people sitting around talking.

>>198563763
this is why people keep saying 'media literacy'

>>198564561
>yabu literally spells it out
>retards still don't get it
I genuinely hate this board

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absolute garbage
baited me in with 3 or so interesting episodes and then made me sunk cost fallacy myself through 7 more episodes of mariko talking to the camera, holy shit what a waste of time
genuinely considering watching fallout if this is what /tv/ creams themselves over

Was his brother betraying him part of the plan? Or is he just undercover?

>>198564678
>genuinely considering watching fallout
kill yourself shitposter

>>198564699
it cant be worse than this

>>198564731
it is. don't use rome for your nonsense ever again

why did so many anon's get eightfold fence'd by the finale?

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>>198564756
go ahead and make me pussy
you will seppuku the instant you meet any opposition and hope that a woman finishes the job
you are not worthy of the 13th

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So bros what are we watching next? I crave a weekly release show

>>198564909
Dune show maybe, looks kinda interesting.

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>>198564909
im going back to anime and old shows for at least like 5 years, nu-meatpig tv is still unwatchable
gonna rewatch pic related between anime episode releases

>>198562565
GOD i wish i was that peasant i assume he got offed immediately after?

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>>198564909
The Sympathizer is okay. There are some heavy ass moments in the first episode and its still airing weekly. Its directed/written by Park Chan-wook who directed oldboy.

>>198562565
>pic
lmao

>>198563201
>>198563903
Yeah I'm not sure why they did it this way, regardless of what you think of the show the assets they used and build were VERY well done and authentic, so it couldn't have been cheap, so surely adding some scenes in actual Japan couldn't have been that expensive.

>>198565104
t. squidfucker

>>198564201
>He knew his brother would betray him
Yeah I bet he also knew his son was gonna try to assassinate him and slip up and die so he can return to Tokio to put the plan in motion kek
Anon there's so much convoluted shit in his "plan" it just gets annoying at some point when you think about it for more than two minutes.

Just as an exercise, can you summarize what exactly crimson sky was? And I don't mean things happening, I mean his actions specifically from the beginning and possible outcomes. THEN you'll understand how retarded the whole thing is

i honestly liked the show but i'm a huge weeb and the authenticity of a lot of the aspects of the show kept it interesting to me. show felt budget constrained though, as in you could tell they blew most of their budget on the sets.

>>198565168
They literally couldn't, it was filmed in 2021 and Japan wasn't letting in production crews. Legitimately all they could do was fly the Japanese crew out.

asian women asian women asian women asian women asian women aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

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>>198565174
lel check out the seethe on the imdb reviews for it.

>>198565203
Oh that makes sense. Unfortunate then, I think it limited the show somewhat. That said a battle never would have happened, it doesn't in the books.

>>198562004
>Osaka is a major city
>its surrounded by forests and shitty roads
Just how? Where are the rice farms?

>>198565237
This guy does know the original novel was written by a Vietnamese guy right?

Why do japs have such a hard on for NOT showing sekigahara? It's like every time it's just mentioned and it's either the aftermath or the lead up to it but not actual hara of seki.

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>>198565237

>>198565192
crimson sky was sending mariko to Osaka to surrender as his vassal, knowing that Ishido would attempt to keep her there as prisoner. Ishido was keeping all of the regency there as prisoners so they cant join forces with taranaga or rally any armies/turn against him, which was only being done unofficially but allowing Mariko to leave would quickly have the other regents demanding to leave and turning on Ishido. Killing Mariko or having her commit seppuku would also have the regents turning on him. Mariko went there knowing full well she would probably die.


Also Toranaga even states that his son dying bought him time as he meant he didnt have to go to Osaka right away, but the plan would have been the similar regardless. Toranaga's plan wasnt on the battlefield. It was sowing discontent between the regents and Ishido, including the heirs mother.

>>198565484
His son was such a fucking failure from beginning to end holy shit. Every time he opened his mouth he'd get immediately told to close it by Toranaga. He fucked up by murdering that samurai with canons in an dishonorable way and then dies like a bitch to everyone's laughter.

>>198565306
yeah funnily this isnt just limited to this show, it happens in japanese fiction too lol

>>198565536
imagine if he had a daughter instead

>>198565484
So you unironically think ishido still would have lost with Mariko and the other regency leaving, but with the support of the Taiko?

>>198565484
>Toranaga's plan wasnt on the battlefield. It was sowing discontent between the regents and Ishido, including the heirs mother.
in the book he goes over how he plans to eventually get the heir to rebel so he can get rid of him, ochiba and osaka castle remnants too. as well positioning his younger son to take over his role by training him from a very young age (which is why he's so happy he got a 2nd son and isn't too distraught about losing his older one)

>>198565536
fuck you his son was retarded but he actually wanted to do something while his father seemingly gave up like a bitch to go and die and have him killed as well. Toranaga should have just shared the information with his son regarding his plan instead of just letting him go and die for nothing. Yabushige's nephew says something similar in the scene after his death while all of the old men are laughing at him. He at least wanted to fight for his cause.

>>198565603
Now that sounds much more like a real plan and not the meme shit that happened in the show kek

>>198565652
it happens after he already won, a lot of the original plan still exists too. it's basically his clean up plan after he becomes shogun

>>198565592
>So you unironically think ishido still would have lost with Mariko and the other regency leaving, but with the support of the Taiko?

Yes because the support of the Taiko and the regency are intertwined. The Taiko would not support or make Ishido's actions lawful if the regency didnt also support it.

the fact he won the battle just because one army didnt show up is retarded

>>198565709
Ieyasu wins in real life because literally one lord changes sides.

>>198565709
From memory what actually happens is that instead of not showing up at all, they turn on Ishida at the start of the battle.

>>198565699
Now that's just some advanced cope. Literally the only reason the taiko wasn't there is because marikos bestie withdrew it after she died. This is hammered in several times

>>198565749
I think the other "main" lords that are depicted in this show also lose and die though

>A man rules Japan for 250 years because a woman kills herself
Japanese history really finna be like that?

how does sekiro fit into the lore here

>>198565822
There was a 250 year old guy in Japan?

>>198565755
The heirs mother withdrew it partially because of mariko but also because she was shown that the lords were being hold hostage in Osaka and that Ishido didnt have support from them. The outcome would have been the same if Mariko had lived.

>>198565839
The red armored enemy faction you fight in Sekiro (that's weirdly translated as "interior ministry") is Ieyasu's shogunate.

>>198565874
>The outcome would have been the same if Mariko had lived.
No it wouldn't you brainlet

>>198563950
there's a 2017 Japanese film which depicts Toranigga as the thug and Ishido as the most honorable
>This changed with the 2017 film Sekigahara, which covers the rivalry between Ishida Mitsunari and Tokugawa Ieyasu before leading to the battle itself in the final third of the film. The film is somewhat notable in being a revisionist reassessment, showing Tokugawa more as an antagonist while Mitsunari is a man of honor and the main protagonist.

>Getting filtered by niponese
Brainlets.

>>198566039
>Sekigahara
Interesting and well worth watching. There's also a 2019 Netshits documentary - Age of Samurai Battle for Japan - which covers the same historical period and has way more actual history, battle scenes, etc.

>>198566017
yes it would. If Mariko was allowed to leave, the regents go back to their feifs and start rebellion, as they have just been kidnapped by Ishido and held hostage. This would be an open rebellion against the shogun. Taiko would either switch sides in order to stop the emperor being murdered along with Ishido or stay out of the conflict as is done in the show.

Is there an NHK historical series that goes over Benkei and Yoshitsune?

Is the young girl in this trailer Mariko? Where is John Blackthorne?

https://youtu.be/KU4URaoQZ54?si=LHgnWyR_3J3_2dW2

>>198566222
lel this looks a lot more anime-ish than shogun but might give it a torrent anyway.

>>198566222
The Shogun show really failed to convey the whole west vs east vibe and the country being cut in half yadda yadda.

>>198566178
Who is?

>Shogun
>Spend all season listening to some White cock finding slant bitch about her problems
>Get one scene with Toranaga and the other regents
>Sekigahara literally a CGI foreshadowing with zero violence
> Blue filter on everything that
>The only aspect of Bushido we see is the anti-religious stances, the reductive violence, and the suicides
>Zero attention is given to art outside of one scene with Buntaro pouring tea
>Zero attention is given to The Way of The Samurai outside of Buntaro beastmoding an entire army
>Zero attention is given to martial prowess outside of Buntaro's archery scene
>Buntaro is the only person in the show who isn't disloyal, cowardly, weak, lecherous, unfaithful or undisciplined
>He's still made out to be a fucking doormat for some feminist power fantasy cuckold fetish
>People praise this shit
>Last 4 episodes are waiting for Crimson Sky
>It happens off screen in the future
4/10 and I'm not memeing. I loved the first episode (except for the filter) but after that it gets progressively worse.

>>198562004
Being a weeb is a form of mental illness. Disregard all japslop. You won't missing anything worth watching. There hasn't been a single piece of media produced about, or by, japan, that wasn't shit.

>>198562004
I admit, I did expect a battle. But it was good nonetheless.

This show needed way more of the banter between Anjin and that Spaniard.

>There hasn't been a single piece of media produced about, or by, japan, that wasn't shit.
based unabashed shitposter

>>198566551
Only thing this show needed was more yellow pussy

8/10, some episodes were really boring and didn’t add much.

>>198565536
What a fucking brainlet take. Toranaga jr. was the best character on the show other than maybe Buntaro. The scene where Yabu's nephew talks about how much he loved the Way and how much he loved fighting for father and how much he loved being with the other samurai was the best part of the entire season. He's painted out to be incompetent and reckless (which he is) and right when that's all you can think about they dropped the wake scene on us.

>>198565709
Bro if you think that's retarded the actual battle of Sekigihara will make you shit yourself face palming. Half of Ishido's forces don't show up and half of the ones that do show up switch sides as soon as the attack starts. That's it. That's the battle.

>>198566625
>some episodes were really boring
>Some
Most desu.
If I think back on the show only the first 1-2 episodes are memorable and the brother arriving. I unironically don't remember much of anything that happened in-between

>>198566600
Lone Wolf and Cub manga if you can ignore how many times it's been ripped off

Black thorne doesn't appear to care about his family back home in England lmao

>No mayor battle
>No naval battle
>Just “Ochiba support Toranaga now”, Ishido you have been defeated LOL
Fuck this show

>>198562004
A goon made from the finest Nipponese 1000 time folded over edging

>>198562815
GO season 2 was soooo bad

>>198567024
Can you blame him?

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tfw no qt jap gf that talks like an anime antagonist

>>198562004
Not gonna lie, the final episode was disappointing as hell.
I can understand they don't have the budget for a big battle, but couldn't they at least have shown Ishido committing seppuku after the battle?


Also, I kinda hate this depiction of Tokugawa Ieyasu (Torenaga), "I'm just a helpless victim. I just have to overthrow the regents"

Live
Raugh
Commit sudoku

Show went to shit once it stopped focusing on the fun conniving men and focused on the mopey women. When the FUCK will they learn!?

>>198567191
I wonder if Toranaga raped her before killing her

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>>198562004
The story is about Anjin/John Blackthorne but they wanted political intrigue of the Japanese at the forefront. Shogun is about that in a roundabout way, like how the 13th Warrior is about Beowulf in a roundabout way.

I wanted my gaijin swordsman/gun-toting samurai goddamn it.

>>198567267
But that wasn't how he was depicted at all...

>>198566551
>Catholic Spaniard, protestant Inglés and Japanese girl who wants to be a nun travel through Japan solving mysteries
I'd pay for that

>>198566551
Don't know why but I was filled with unspeakable rage every time that little rat appeared on screen. Maybe I just hate Catholics.

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>>198566551
>Tsuji, did I ever tell you about Mariko? She committed adultery right before she died, so according to your theology she is now in hell. She was a good friend.

shit if they didn't follow the books after ep4 this show could've been 10/10

>>198567624
>Anjin, she wasn't married by a Catholic priest therefore their union wasn't acknowledged by Jesus

>>198567652
They already deviated quite a lot, half the deaths didn't happen in the book and real events

>>198567673
What does catholic mythology say about sex without marriage though?

>>198567024
What yellow fever does to a nigga

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>>198562004
Shogun? More like SHOW OVER!

>>198567888
It's very satisfying, specially if she swallows

>>198563201
>they reuse whole sets for indoor scenes
Osaka castle so sm0ll Toranaga and Ishido have to plot against each other in the same room

>>198562004
dogshit, market the whole thing as a war show and set the stage from the first minute of the show then there's nothing of the sort, you can count the action scenes in the whole show one hand

>>198562107
>The Terror which was also shit.
>>muh abominable snowman was great
Fans of The Terror say it was great in spite of the monster not because of it

>>198562004
The ol feminism bait and switch strikes yet again

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>>198562004
Great show overall, but episodes 5-7 just felt like they dragged on with nothing happening
80's version remains superior, Anjin's much more active character, the Catholics-side of the plot isn't dropped after 3 episodes, and the scenes have more variety than "grey sky", "grey sky, raining", and "dark indoors"

>>198569165
>she did JAV

>>198562107
It has good actors (except the main), costumes, even the idea of being heavy on cultural stuff is interesting. But the writing doesn't take off and actors can't carry poorly written material

>>198569273
He did MEN.

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>>198569346
>when method acting goes too far

>>198565603
yeah, book makes so much more sense in every fucking aspect, i have no idea why the "writers" decided to be "creative", it's not like they replaced it with anything better or more interesting

Toranaga really just said he kept anjin around for shit and giggles
Is that why he went as far as beheading villagers

Am I too fucked up if I feel like I would totally pillow that lady who delivered the letter to toranaga at the end? I think it's his mother?

>>198570182
it's his main bitch
asian parlor mamas have their charms

>>198570170
Toranaga sucks... honestly the worst character in the show. I can't root for someone so cruel, soulless, and shitty. Especially for no reason.

>>198570220
He said in the book and in the series he liked his wives and consorts ugly, less worry about stranger danger in the bedroom or while away. Save the pretty ones for geisha houses.

>>198570328
Smart man. There is a great sense of security in having a woman who does not catch the attention of every other man and does not have endless options.

>>198564291
briefly.

>>198562004
Needed more WMAF mating press scenes

>>198567267
>Also, I kinda hate this depiction of Tokugawa Ieyasu (Torenaga), "I'm just a helpless victim. I just have to overthrow the regents

Based retard

>>198570182
No, all women exist to be fucked, nothing wrong with a 5/10.

>>198562642
I guarantee this poster thinks he’s above capeshit too

>>198567429
Barbarians are never Japanese. No matter how ingratiated to Japanese society and culture, you are always an outsider. Always.

>>198563763
Literally the first episode they explain that Toranaga has been gobbling up fiefdoms and everything that transpires is because of that. He was always the conniving warlord the council said he was, he was just smarter and much more charismatic than them so he seems heroic

>Toranaga's master strategy is just telling a lie, every time
>Mariko is an obnoxious, unlikeable poet with an uninteresting backstory and an unconvincing (and inconsistent) love story
>John's actor was so bad that they had to demote him to a supporting character role and have him most not be allowed to speak
>pointless feminist prostitute side quest
>director was mad that everybody loved Fuji more than his waifu Mariko so he had Fuji randomly become a nun in the final episode for no reason at all
>final Toranaga scene has him break the 4th wall by saying that John contributes nothing and that he keeps him around as a joke
superfans are missing that this was social commentary, the creators HATE weebs and white saviourbros and used Shogun as a platform to tease you, I'm fairly sure that they actually hate the source material and history regarding Will Adams. They didn't want a Japanese story to be told through a white man's lens

The ending was intended to be an insult directed at you

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>>198562004
How does it compare to the original?

>>198563201
What, you don't think it makes sense that Toranaga camps the entire show in some random fishing village that belongs to his least loyal vassal? Fool!

This show did a poor job of showing or justifying why Toronaga wanted Blackthorne around and why he would refuse to let him ever leave. There is also very little to their relationship, and zero reason for Blackthorne to like, care about, or respect him for. Would have made more sense for Anjin to just shoot Toronaga in the head after the story we just watched.

>>198570170
That was pretty weird. Not even “I want to use him to gain naval power” which makes more sense

What wife do you think Johnny boy got? Do you think she was better or worse than Mariko/Fuji

>>198571110
>There is also very little to their relationship, and zero reason for Blackthorne to like, care about, or respect him for.
Not one of the character relationships in this series makes any sense. It is one of the most poorly written pieces of media I have seen in recent years.

Maybe we overlook the writing failures because they are speaking Japanese, if the cast was all speaking English this would be insufferable and the flaws would be more obvious to normies.

>>198571110
The show had no focus it was all over the place. Started out interesting but it got worse over time with shit like >>198571047
also how come the whole shipcrew gets just one random scene towards the end, are they just chilling in Edo now forever ?

>>198571114
He tells him to build him a fleet, so he clearly is using him for that. Him boasting that he didn't need him was just that. Boasting that he could've done it without him when he obviously couldn't have. Blackthorn personally saves him more than once, and his ship was a bargaining chip or deterrent more than once. He just didn't want to give him any credit. He's also talking to a dead man and a traitor, he didn't want to give any credit to anything Yabushige had a hand in. He was just meant to be used.

>>198570908
Original good
Nu one shit

>>198571110
Felt to me like they transplanted the friendship between Anjin and Toranaga in the book to Anjin and Yabushige in the show. Which makes it a really bad ending.

>>198570170
Well Toranaga was always a lord and doesn't give a shit, it's funny because in a western story Ishido would've been the protagonist. He came from poverty and was a commoner, he only ever truly grows incensed when someone insults him with that, otherwise he was little more than a relatively calm ruler legitimately trying to maintain his own position. He even honored things he could've easily not, like giving Toranags 40 days after his own son attempted to assassinate his brother. Ishido could've easily accused Toranaga of orchestrating that and used it to kill him prematurely. I think it's part of the culture clash aspect. Ishido is more of what a western protagonist would be, comes from nothing, rises beyond his station. But this is Japan, where people like Toranaga pretty much always win.

>>198571353
>it's funny because in a western story
Shogun is a western story

yabushige-sama!
HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
yabushige-sama!
HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
yabushige-sama!
HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
yabushige-sama!
HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>198571394
Sure, it was written by a westerner, but the whole show is about their culture being totally different from ours. If this were a show written about European culture the Ishido equivalent would more likely be the protagonist IMO. Blackthorn is repeatedly horrified by how they treat each other, it's all about that culture clash.

>>198562004
There’s something about Blackthornes actor I dont like… he sometimes does that stupid puppy eye face

If I was Anjin I would be hitting up every brothel for the sole purpose of spreading my seed raw nutting in everyone and everything until my penis falls off

>>198571353
True. But also, I suspect there was an intention of a twist behind the story, in that the protagonist is revealed to have helped the villain win. Mostly because he lacked the context and freedom to choose otherwise. It sucks, but such is life.

>>198571493
That would happen pretty quickly they were full of stds

Asian women were at the bottom of my list. Now they’re above white women (second to last). What do?

>>198571493
And the sequel would be called Blue Eyed Samurai

>>198571551
Fuck one and get over it.

>>198571522
Well Ishido is responsible partially for that one. He makes several mistakes and just isn't as clever as Toranaga when it comes to their little games, which also makes sense because he wasn't raised in it. He wasn't born into his position. But Ishido could've also not immediately written Blackthorn off so hard, instead he basically wants to kill him the entire time. If he'd played ball with Blackthorn better, he'd have routed Toranaga when he tried to leave disgusted as a woman, and Blackthorn wouldn't have been there to dig Toranaga out of the landslide.

Mariko wanted to die because she knew it was impossible for her to marry BWClackthorne

so mariko = jesus right? she sacrificed herself for the wellbeing of japan

does asiannmasculinity like the show?

>>198571897
What?

>>198571187
good thing there were subtitles then

>>198571110
>This show did a poor job of showing or justifying why Toronaga wanted Blackthorne around
he proved useful multiple time
>just shoot the most powerful man in Japan
can't remember the last time I've seen so many midwits in one thread

>>198570908
It’s basically 100% from Blackthornes perspective. Takes a lot of liberty with the way the story is told and presented but is underlooked kino. I expect a lot of anons will be checking it out and comparing now that the shows over.

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>The whole thread is people complaining that the show is missing a big battle that didn't happen in the book nor irl
It's a shame that the poster counter got removed

>>198572281
>big battle
>didn't happen irl

Retard

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Sekigahara

The book literally ends as the battle begins.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOMfL73hJio

Are there seriously people who say this is better? Do people just shitpost for reactions or something?

>>198572380
>Ishida gets abandoned by his allies and the battle ends
wow, literally like in the finale of the show

>>198572404
the new show is universally praised so /tv/ is in it's usual contrarian phase

>>198572479
Wrong again, retard-kun.

The scene in the show was just Toranaga dreaming and hoping for an easy and clean victory. In reality, it was an extremely bloody battle, followed by months of warfare before he "won".

>>198572571
Forces changing sides did happen, and bloody or not, the battle was quick. Ishida was on the run for like a couple days but he was captured. Some dude knocked Musashi and Matahachi down at some point.

>>198572571
good thing it's not a reality show then

>>198562004
With a ruined orgasm at the end

I enjoyed it but I’ll admit the ending felt a bit underwhelming, the last two episodes should have been combined into one.

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>>198562004
As beautiful as this show is, nothing fucking happens. These fucking nips don't do anything but talk and kill themselves. I like their landscaping but holy shit do they need furniture. Imagine sleeping on a wooden floor every night. You would probably want to kill yourself as well. They are the "you won't do shit" people of the world. All they do is sit on uncomfortable wrestling mats, drink tea, and talking until someone gets offended and commits suicide. Their poetry is this pretentious garbage about nothing. "They are called flowers because they fall." What the fuck is that supposed to mean even? The fucker with the biggest army is this little 8 year old writing poems about trees having fruit and flowers on them. John Blackthorne is this peak giggachad Englishman that should be starting a plantation somewhere in America with african slave labor while drinking rum from Spanish skulls but instead he's become this total weeb that suddenly doesn't give a shit about his mission anymore. King Nip with the plans within plans is not even clever, everything that happens is just luck going his way and his vassals suck his dick for it. He's just a psychopath that loves to sacrifice everyone around him including his son so that he can be least cucked lord. He's imagining some battle in the future and here we are at episode 10 and it's like wow thanks for wasting my time for an entire season.

AYOOOOO POGGERS MY LORD ALLOWED ME TO BECOME A NUN AFTER SANCTIONING THE EXECUTION OF MY HUSBAND AND INFANT CHILD AND WHORING ME TO A FOREIGNER
BEST NUN

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I wish moeka best of luck in elevating her career after this. or she can just marry me and not have a career. either way is fine

>>198572771
He just told her she can and should kill herself because her duty to him is done. The nun thing is her lying to Anjin so he won't worry.

>>198572771
It gets better.

>conspire with some dude to have your mutual master murdered
>as soon as it's done instantly turn on said dude and call him a traitor and have his entire lineage executed
>except for the daughter which you keep as your personal errand girl and whore her out to a savage until she gets attached to him, then makes sure she is there to watch while you assign a courtesan to said savage to fuck, and ultimately just has the daughter kill herself to further his goals

>>198563031
Anjin is just a minor pawn for Toranaga.
>>198572132
This. He promoted him in order to make the Portuguese think of him as a bigger threat that he is. why re zoomers this braindead?

>>198572968
Just shogun things.

>>198570855
Japs ARE the barbarians that's the irony. Imagine showing up to this backward island on the opposite side of the world, 400 years behind you in tech, and all the savages call YOU the barbarian.

>>198573103
"tech" maybe, but they sure as fuck behave and dress far better londonians

>>198573103
>doctor that actually prescribes something that resembles medicine with proper active ingredients. instead of leeches and blood letting
>barbarians.

>>198573139
They wear fucking bathrobes, have you seen how sophisticated 17th century European fashion is? They were behind the west in tech, culture, and the whole 9 yards.

>>198573103
Exactly.

>>198573103
>1600
>haven't even invented furniture yet
>constantly killing each other and themselves over improperly pouring tea
>only clothes they have are 10 layers of pretty but non-functional bathrobes
>can't even figure out how sailing works

>>198573103
They needed Christ

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>plebs didnt switch to Portuguese everytime someone started speaking English for maximum immersion

>>198573368
I watched without subtitles. Including the Jap parts.

>>198562107
I enjoyed Episode 1, but the ending of Episode 2 had me hooked.
There's a reason they released 2 episodes the first day and then one per week.

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>>198562004
Horrendously frontloaded with no comfyness to carry you through to the end.
Blue filter killed most of the comfy, stilted conversations killed off the rest.
Vancouver/10

>>198562737
He was working on Shogun 2. I'm sure his daughter has the notes and shes a producer on the show.

>>198565203
>They literally couldn't, it was filmed in 2021 and Japan wasn't letting in production crews.

Then they should have delayed production of the series because it was stupid to do a show about medieval Japan and have the character strolling around in the woods all the time.

after the episode with the canon scene, felt like everything just slowed down to a crawl that episode. was mostly just blackthorne trying to fuck mariko and then it just fucking ends.
>muh books
maybe adapt it better, and then they fucking blue ball us by showing us the battle but not actually playing it. very little conflict with the Portuguese or catholics, its basically the mariko show. meh what disappointing finish.

>>198565484
>crimson sky was sending mariko to Osaka to surrender as his vassal, knowing that Ishido would attempt to keep her there as prisoner.

No, the Crimson Sky plan was a last ditch suicidal zerg rush on Osaka by every one of Toranaga's troops, who would inevitably fail but die gloriously in the attempt.

The plan Mariko and Toranaga cooked up was done to hopefully avoid having to order Crimson Sky.

>>198570908
>How does it compare to the original?

The 1980 version is better.

Feels like a waste
There was pretty good quality all around with the cast and acting, the era is interesting, but the plot and characters are just going nowhere
Why did they choose to adapt an old movie instead of doing their own take on Adam's journey

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I checked out of the show in that canon scene where the nips get their minds blown that a canon can hit a target at bow and arrow range and exclaimed the Portuguese tried it years ago and couldn't do it. Muh British Naval Warfare had to come along for it to be possible.

LindyBeige tier Bong wank faggotry

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the bots aren't even pleased with reviews calling ep 10 a masterpiece because it's not a positive enough review

>>198565291
Rice farms are racist you bigot!

>>198562004
They should've made the final episode all about the battle. It doesn't matter if its not in the books. You can't just blue ball the audience. They already made too many changes that there is no point trying to be accurate to the book.

>>198572770
Is it beautiful? It's one of the most boring looking shows i have seen recently.

>>198573368
The trick is to watch the portuguese dub since the dubs only change the when people speak english, the jap isn't changed

>>198574880
Yea they cheapest out

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>>198562815
>Good Omens 2 - we gay now

>>198575348
Amazon also did it with Man In High Castle, the season 1 covers the only book completely, and it still went on for 5 seasons.

no grandiose battle for people who want LOTR scale
rather underwhelming scheming/politics, compared to the good years of GOT

it just doesn't do anything well enough to be great - it's just a fine series that doesn't try to overstay its welcome

>>198567673
Marriage is a sacrament that doesn't require a priest, only the consent of the man and woman. Pagan marriages are still true marriages.

>>198570908
Do you really expect an answer other than old good new bad?

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>>198575399
>Man In High Castle

Yes but MitHC is a really boring book and the tv series adaption is one of the few instances where the movie/tv show was actually better then the book.

This is NOT the case with Shogun.

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>>198562004
>show tries to look based by not forcing any diversity hires
>its a subtle feminist piece instead, spending hours on women's bullshit barely relevant to the main plot

Yea they bamboozled me with the first couple of episodes. But its just more modern day garbage. Thats probably why it was greenlit, showrunners made it clear it would focus on a bunch of whores and not really be about the warlords of Japan fighting it out.

Damn you troglodites got filtered hard.
Go back to plebbit

>>198567267
>I can understand they don't have the budget for a big battle
which is funny because a hoopla was made about it being FX's biggest budget show ever.

>>198573887
ummmm but ackshyually toranaga literally said mariko was the real crimson sky

>>198574485
Seething

>>198576073
u wot

>>198575839
They probably spent their budget on the 3 sets they constructed.
Which is fair I guess, those are nice sets and all, but constructing them in Canada was completely unnecessary.
Japanese dramas look the same quality and have fraction of the budget
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzHx93jNqwg

Any other shows where everyone just sits around talking and politicking and nothing happens?

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>>198576266

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>>198562107
>The Terror which was also shit

>>198562004
10 hours of reading boring as fuck subtitles

>>198576266
Dune

So why was the finest whore in izu located a 5 minute walk from bumfuck, bumfuck fishing village?

>>198577076
I was under the impression that she came there temporarily from kyoto or something because that's where Toranaga was staying because his vassal lord's fief was located near the village.

it was a great show, but most importantly it had zero niggers, which made it more watchable than 99% of anything else released in the west recently

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Toranaga searching for the ones who scuttled the Anjin’s ship:

>>198574485
its literally a plot point from the book, retard


Also, as a matter of historical FACT, Portuguese didn't give good cannons to their native trading partners, because if they did that they could use them against them.

>>198577352
ay cracca my nigguh yasuke AKA oda nobunigguh's right hand man is getting his own show
jap bitches finna be getting dat bbc from a real samurai nigguh

>>198577449
yasuke was a nigger slave and buttboy for japanese faggots
the first nigger in japan was a broken buck and took nip cock in his ape hole
they put him in a dress and made him sit around and jerk off tiny nip cocks, then killed him when his lord died, since the novelty of buck bussy got old

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>>198562004
Explains why soys like it so much

>>198577449
>Yasuke was the first foreign-born warrior to enter their ranks. He belonged to “the very small entourage around Nobunaga, which [was] probably around 30 to 50 [warriors], mainly young men, many of [whom were Nobunaga’s] lovers as well,”

Yasuke was a gay nigger buttslave.

>>198562107
>GOOOOOD WHY THE SAMURAIGUY DOESNT UNLOCK THE SUPER SAYAJIN GOD SUPER SAYAYIN BLUE ROSE ULTRA INSTINC SUPER VEGITA GREEN AND PURPLE BESTIA ORANGE FEAT DRAKE AND EMINEM
Kys weebfag, The Terror is niño, Shogun too

>>198577579
>>198577629
cope cracca
we was samurais before you
we was fuccin japanese bitches before you

>>198575545
Sacramental marraiges require a priest. Non sacramental "natural marriages" do not.

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>>198562642
>Netflix did a docuseries on samurai that takes place during the same period and it was both more educational and more entertaining.

Age of Samurai: Battle for Japan. It was pretty kino.

>>198577826
AYOO DAS RITE BRUTHA PREACH
WE NIGGAS BUILT JAPAN ITS IN DA BOOKS

fun fact: no japanese have african DNA that doesn't come from before the 1900's

This means that while niggers were in japan since 1400's in a limited sense, all half blood offspring were killed. All of them. For 500 years, every single mixed nigger baby was killed.

Either that, or niggers were castrated when they arrived in japan, which was probably more likely.

The chances of 'Yasuke' being a castrated buttboy for his feudal lord is quite high. Certainly more realistic than the pop-culture representation as a 'samurai'.

>>198578291
That's very interesting. How do we know it's true?

>>198562004
>"I dont want to be shogun"
>Gets everyone close to him killed
>Burns ship
>"Haha I actually did want to be shogun"

>>198578818
>I DUN WAN IT

>>198578818
it's almost like he was lying

>>198578818
>"Mr. Toranaga, what is your master plan?"
>"I'll pretend to be a pathetic pussy while my friends and family around me get killed (completely due to my own fault) then send some random ass woman who magically by an asspull resolves the situation"
Ah yes, the 500iq masterplan

>>198579015
Im surprised the hack showrunners didn't shove in something about Mariko going in being her idea in the first place.

>>198570903
>director was mad that everybody loved Fuji more than his waifu Mariko so he had Fuji randomly become a nun in the final episode for no reason at all
Who did? Viewers? This was filmed in 2021

>>198563680
It's not about sin (jesus resolved that), it's about obedience to her lord. They way they showed how Catholicism fit into Japanese culture was actually quite good. You got filtered.

>>198563903
> what are wages

>>198566428
Half of these are just wrong. Stop checking your phone while watching a show.

>>198579606
>Half of these are just wrong
Which ones are wrong?

if people didn't realize, Yabushigue is the main protagonist in this one

>>198564731
>it cant be worse than this
KEK

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>>198564678
>genuinely considering watching fallout
do it faggot

>>198571162
Unless he gave Kiku a BWC addiction so bad that she left her whore life behind to serve him for the rest of his days, then there's no fucking way he didn't do worse than Mariko or Fuji. Not to say she's better, just the only women left at the end of the same calibre

>>198581770
Ochiba should’ve been humiliated and Toranaga shoouldve made her Anjin wife
“The Freak from the west” and The whore queen

>>198581974
One taste of BWC and that quickly stops being a punishment for Ochiba

>>198562642
So if there was a big battle where 2 armies ran at each other like half the Marvel movies started doing, it would have been good?

I just saw the finale. I liked it. But now what do I watch? Do not suggest Fallout, I already saw it. Any more good shows out there? Or Should I just watch some anime or perhaps Late Night with the Devil?

>>198582106
The three kingdoms

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Here's your cinematography, bro.

>>198582127
not blue enough

>>198581974
I agree, except me instead of Anjin.

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>>198582158
True

W

>>198562107
>>198562004
>>198562054
>>198562139
>>198562162
>>198562235
Filtered

>>198580897
>>198581038
Fallout was unironically better than this. There I said it.

At least I wasn't bored out of my mind with fallout

>>198562107
what show do you like?

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I specifically looked for these nogs to see if they get the finale. Very predictably, they though it doesn't make sense for Anjin to let go of the rosary unless it's a different one from the one we see in "flash-forward". Nogs never disappoint.

>>198582690

Ru Paul's Drag Race, Euphoria, The Masked Singer, you know stuff that's not boring.

>>198567092
Did cities in the Japans elect mayors?

>>198583269
your bait is way too obvious anon

>>198583200
nogs can't into abstract thinking

>>198562004
And you end up with blue balls the size of Neptune.

>>198566428
>>The only aspect of Bushido we see
Bushido literally didn't exist yet. Samurai did have expectations of honor and loyalty in this time period, but nobody used the word "bushido" to describe them. The concept of bushido was invented in the 1800s by pooling together various treatises, mostly from the Edo period, about proper samurai behavior and values. Most of those writings were also written after this show takes place.

>>198562107
Terror was bad but Shogun is good.

When does season 2 come out?

I decided to start listening to the show's podcast, but only the episodes with Cosmo. You can tell the female host is incredibly put-off by him and is trying to hurry him along whenever he speaks. You can even slightly hear her say, "Oh, come on," when he's giving a long-winded explanation about something. He's completely fucking based.

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>>198584550
lol i slightly got that feel too listening to the ep10 podcast. but the emili yoshi(?) whatever the host's name is, she just sounds annoying. and
pronounce "-ing" to "-in" and it bothered me.
and he really is so unpolished and raw and it's so refreshing.

>>198562746
I laughed, but only because you're right on the money.

>>198584550
Which ones is he in and which ones is Anna in?

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>>198577415
I know it's from the book you retard, read the image title.

Historical fact you just pulled out of your ass? Portuguese merchants had no qualms selling their canons to Japan just like they did their guns. Portuguese canons were the ones being used in Japanese battles, Ieyasu bought all the ones he could get his hands on. There was never enough of them to make a huge difference because unlike guns, Japan did not have the technology or resources to make them themselves and adopt artillery as an integral doctrine in their warfare.

>>198566178
The internet is 50% chinese, who hate Japan and are too autistic to understand storytelling, and 30% indian, who are literally too stupid to understand anything besides poorly choreographed fights and dance numbers.
It's gonna be a lot of filtered seething retards from now on until China and India are nuked or banned from the English-speaking quarters of the internet.

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>>198584550
>>198584628
The woman who hosts the podcast and was clearly frustrated by him is the same staff writer who wrote this poem. She's 38 years old, unmarried, and has no children.

>Mariko Show
What a waste of time.

>>198563950

He's literally me.

>son slips and falls, dying in the most jabroni sort of way
> his super special awesome samurai/translator/Mary, mother of Jesus vassal blows up
>terrorizes his retarded peasant village
>"Heh...Crimson Sky is going all according to *keikaku"
>*keikaku means getting buried in a landslide

>>198562004
No climax because this was a slow painful denutting of white men