They also want you to believe the BoS are good guys

Based, just like in real life.

>NCR
>commie
kekw you fucking stupid nigger

>>198597170
The bos are clearly painted as bad guys

>>198597154
I just got New Vegas and Kingdom Come on sale. Both seem like it takes a lot of time investment. Which is the better kino? Never played Fallout before or any RPG as in depth as Kingdom Come.

>>198597154
I don't think I've ever seen a double headed yao-oai or whatever those bears are called

>>198597213
Kingdom Come is terrific once you get used to the combat mechanics. New Vegas is kind of ehhhh in comparison - fun but ultimately just kind of meaningless.

>>198597154
They're obviously turning heel next season

>>198597211
As they should, the american military are no longer the good guys and they shouldn't be in a post apocalyptic world

They no longer exist to serve the people, only to protect the government

>>198597213
I second this. Played Kingdom come last year. Bought and played fallout 3 & new vegas. Though I had never played a Fallout game before. Turns out i did play them. It's a. enjoyable game. But completely forgettable. Fallout 3 + new vegas and Kingdom Come all suffer from bugs and crashes from time to time. Just a heads up.

>>198597486
>brotherhood of steel
>american military
Have any of you retards played the games?

>>198597291
>>198597670
Thanks frens

>>198597197
Did you ever stop to think that was the point OP was trying to make?

>>198597213
New Vegas since it's relevant to this thread

>>198597789
Why would anyone play them? They are not worth sinkins 100+ hours just to shoot random people in Las Vegas and be told fascism is bad, white race bad, be a good servant to the old techno guy as he lobotomizes you wagie

>>198597974
>say stupid shit that's wrong about the games
>an anon notices
>uhm sweaty the games are bad anyway???
nice attempt at inserting random chud buzzwords into your post to garner support too you pathetic shill fag.

>>198597486
The BoS are not the fucking American government. The BoS are a radical violent pseudo religious tech-cult which are obviously a reference to muslims. If you don't play the games keep post box closed.

>>198597197
NCR are a piece of the old world trying to stay relevant. The only good guys are obviously Cesar's Legion and Mr. House. Don't know if they're in this garbage show so so don't quote me.

There are way too many plot holes for me to enjoy this even though I'd very much like to.
>Twin peaks guy doesn't recognize moldaver
>Twin peaks guy doesn't question why the overseer isn't a vaultec executive
>The moms pip boy didnt open vault 33
>Moldaver somehow knows Hank set off the bomb when Hank doesn't know who she is
>What is the cowboy even doing and why does he leave the girl when he knows her dad is Hank
Everything was great until the last episode that opened all these plot holes

>>198598589
How is Mr. House the good guy, are you a normie npc like the 87% of people who chose him? He is the npc route, you abandon any sense of worth and become a servant, a literal maid for him, he is the old rich elite and people who pick him are soulless npcs with no sense of free will

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>>198598919
>you abandon any sense of worth and become a servant
This is every route except Yes Man. NCR route means you become a normie citizen and pay taxes forever. Legion means you literally become a slave, just a high ranking one. House means you become an employee with great benefits.

I will never pay taxes to the ncr

>>198598919
You pick what you think is the best for New Vegas and both House and Legion seems like they would be much better than NCR but for different reasons. House kept Vegas running for years, better than most towns. Legion were a rapid growing empire who dealt a swift hand to corruption like Powder puff gangers.

>>198598919
House has a grand plan for humanity, and the strip. Being rich doesn’t make him bad. Plus you get to RP as -the guy- the people call on to get shit done, John Wick Boba Fett (or Darth Vader to palpatine) etc

jews rapes kids

t. pol was here

>>198598589
Except Caesar and House are the same, Caesar is trying to rebuild something from the past and House is literally a pre-war businessman.

>>198599088
Please explain to me how come the literal evil slave empire grew so quickly and was able to stop corruption? I haven't played the games, but I am aware of the /v/ memes, yet I don't understand it, every single time in history a fascist empire tried to emerge, democratic forces like the USA crushed them, and even their own citizens betrayed them, how come nobody is trying to betray the Legion, how come the slaves aren't revolting, there are more slaves than legion members. Like, the exact second people learn the legion is forcing slavery upon the region, they would be attacked by everybody else at the same time

>>198599167
>Please talk about /pol/ outside of /pol/ with me
No?

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>>198599167
>I haven't played the games
then fuck off kek

>>198599167
Slavery would be an improvement for 90% of the worlds population

You’d have to be a fucking cuck to relinquish ultimate power in the mojave to pay taxes. Atleast caesar and house respect you and have a vision and get results

>>198599167
muh evil muh good in fallout of all things

>>198599272
Caesar and House make people pay taxes you stupid memer

>>198599329
They don’t make ME pay them, house is the perfect choice cause I get to basically retire with infinite girlfriends money and luxury and if house ever rubs me wrong I can disconnect his life support so I basically have all the cards with 0 responsibility

>>198597974
Why WOULDN'T you play Fallout 1 and 2? Are you mentally handicapped?

>corrupt imperialism hiding behind a thin veneer of democracy
>portrayed as the good guys in 2024
i wonder why...

>>198599392
Because point and click scrollers belong in the 70s and the combat is awful? You’re better off just watching a super cut of all the interactions and dialogue

>>198599167
They’re not fascist, or an empire. More a a totalitarian tribal autocracy, Caesar is the only one that actually really knows how to do shit and he basically provides uplifting services in exchange for the tribe joining the legion and abandoning their culture, mind you this isn’t voluntary in many cases.

>>198599425
Extremely plebian. Did somebody get raped by rats and ants because he's brain-rotted by instant gratification culture?

>>198599423
>the good guys
Are you high? Seriously show of hands how many of you fuckers have actually played the games. The fucking NCR are not portrayed as the good guys, most people (including their own citizens) bash them and call them shit on a regular basis.

>>198599427
>totalitarian
Automatically means fascist, even though somebody like Caesar couldn't never tell you what nationalized trade unions were.

>>198597154
The NCR was instantly obliterated because the (nearly destroyed) brotherhood completely changed and genocided them. Stop being a fucking chud and get with the program.

>>198597154
>Hurrr Commies evil

Its a fucking video game and from the lore i know about Fallout, the Capitalists and the Corporations are the ones who got the world nuked because they wanted to "end factions" and go hide in bunkers for 300 years.

>>198599609
>totalitarian
>Automatically means fascist
Was Joseph Stalin and the USSR fascist?
>Caesar couldn't never tell
Oh you’re one of the poojeet shills, that makes sense.

>>198599557
it's /tv/ so im assuming op is complaining about the show portraying them as good guys
i didnt watch the show however as i would rather look at the sun for 30 minutes than watch an episode of an amazon prime video game adaptation

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>>198599648
>Was Joseph Stalin and the USSR fascist?
Yes.

>>198599675
How was the communist a fascist?

The whole point of this FUCKING GAME is that every faction can be seen as the good or bad guys depending on your personal beliefs.

Yeah the NCR sucks but it probably beats the hell out of being a literal slave in a totalitarian dictatorship with no pants running around chucking spears at guys armed with rifles.

>>198599648
Yeah, if a state does a bad thing they are fascist. If they (theoretically) do good things they are communist.

>>198599694
Nationalized trade unions, or rather national syndicalism is the foundation of fascism. Mussolini was a socialist and nationalized the workers union.

>>198599708
fact that you can side with cesar doesn't make him a good guy

>>198599716
Pretending to be retarded ironically still makes you a retard.

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>>198599708
Too bad you stupid chud. There is no more NCR. Fallout (all of it) will be a desert wasteland with LOLSORANDUMB stupid psychopaths forever. If Fallout 4.1 or Fallout 5.1 gets some new civilization then Bethesda will just destroy them too out of butthurt. What is the lesson in all of this? Stop being emotionally invested in intellectual properties.

>>198599744
Okay and what of national identity and nationalism as a whole, you know the key tenets of fascism?

>>198597486
the founding members of the BoS are the furthest thing you could possibly get from "protecting the government"
they went rogue when they found out about the government-sanctioned human experimentation going on at the base they were stationed at

did you get them confused with the enclave?

>>198599752
I'm not "pretending" my post is obviously satirical.

>>198599803
Poe’s law says otherwise.

>>198599784
Sigh, we're still in the basic bullshit, as expected of a 4chan board.
>nationalism
You do realize the USSR and CCP had all of that. CCP is a modern example of Fascism. Soviets loved to throw around motherland BS. Last (You)

The brotherhood was never a retarded religious fundamentalist organization. The point of them is too keep energy weapons and other high tech shit out of "the rabble's" (raiders) hands. That eventually put them at odds with the NCR and they lost. Being some christian cult that doesn't teach their members about fucking boners is fucking bullshit

>>198599645
And despite all that the commies were still the worst. Did you even play the games?

>>198599855
Well that is what coping communists say, yes, but it's not actually the truth. You don't get to just say that any state is good is communist and any state that is bad is fascist. If a state indentifies as something then that is what it is.

>>198599783
I don't get this. Buying an IP just to destroy the world someone else created seems like a good way to instantly devalue your investment. JJ Abrams did the same shit when he blew up a fuckton of planets in his cinematic universe as soon as he got control of it.

That's like buying a sandwich and then feeding half of it to seagulls when you walk out of the store.

>>198599855
Except they aren’t , they were/are a nation and party that holds people of varying ethnicities and nationalities, that goes against the idea of fascism as a whole. Fascism is all about unity through nationality. If there is no hint of nationalism the it’s not fascism. I don’t know what shit hole you got your sources from but they’re utterly asinine.

>>198599865
the war was still ongoing in the West during NV, BoS lost in Nevada

>>198599929
Meanwhile Hitler takes nearly all of Europe
>inb4 natsoc is fascism brooooooo

>>198599645
no you don't understand, this is about my current year culture war according to social media, I AM NOT A SCHIZO!

>>198600011
>he doesn’t know about the lebensraum plan
Read a book retard.

>>198599928
Yeah it doesn't make sense. In Fallout literally all of North America and even all of the world can be a wasteland frontier to put your lolsorandumb wasteland stories in. You can go to middle america, canada, mexico, anywhere else on earth. But no, the west coast must be destroyed just to piss in the faces of some nerds who like some 90s video games.

>>198599645
>>198599881
the NCR aren't even communist, what the fuck are you guys on about

>>198600011
Hitler was a german nationalist until the end you stupid faggot

>>198600055
>lebensraum plan
German internationalism, no different from Anglo rule of the 1700-1800s

>>198597154
I was going to post this. The last 2 episodes are commie loving trash. Your gonna die todd.

>>198600108
So anglo rule was about taking land directly and inhabiting it with ethnic Germans and their culture?

>>198600108
Hitler's "lebensraum" was a plan to ensure grains for the inevitable starvation resulting from the war. He would take the harvest from Poland and Russia and feed his Germans no matter if the slavs starved. He was always a german nationalist. This isn't some conspiracy theory it's literally just history.

I hope they reveal how fucked up the NCR is next season. Anywho who cares they're all fucking dead lmao

is the "bethesda hates new vegas" thing actually true?
I'll be really bummed if we don't see caesar's legion next season

>>198600145
Yes, no different from putting Indians on reservations or enslaving niggers. Key difference is Anglos didn't enslave fellow whites. Haha.

>>198600197
Okay so how does that prove me wrong and make Stalin a fascist?

>>198599855
>Sigh
Kill yourself.

>>198600234
Why do you ask so many questions like a retard? Go read a book.

>>198600234
Stalin is a communist because he said he is a communist and his state ideology is communism. Again, you don't get to just say that any state you identify as "bad" is fascist.

>>198600153
>He would take the harvest from Poland and Russia and feed his Germans no matter if the slavs starved.
Even Goebbels wrote in his diaries that when the bolsheviks took eastern europe they at least left 1 cow to a farmer where as the nazis took everything

>>198600255
>retard can’t argue his point
>no u
Go back to the shit pit raj and stop embarrassing yourself.

>>198600279
Trans women are women because they say they are women and their gender identity is woman.

>>198600299
Who do you think you're replying to?

>>198600279
I’m the one arguing that he isn’t a fascist.

>>198600082
During the time that The Ghoul (Cooper) was still human before the bombs dropped, he was invited by his friend to a meeting where there was a woman called Moldaver. This woman was basically talking about how Vault-Tec is evil, wants the war to keep on raging and how they're keeping any tech that can give free energy locked away so that they can keep making money. Anyways, towards the end of the scene Cooper calls her a communist and she tells him that she isn't one, that it's just a label or "dirty word" that the government is using to silence people. Which is completely true. Faggots took the scene out of context because later on that same woman is a prominent figure in the NCR and now they think that the NCR are commies.

It's like how faggots assumed Vault-Tec dropped the bombs just because they said they would if the peace talks were to happen. The whole motivation of Cooper's wife to do what she was doing was so that she could keep her family safe. If Vault-Tec was the one dropping the bombs, Cooper and his daughter would have been in a vault hours prior.

>>198598919
This. I tend to take over at the end. And why shouldn't I. My karma is maxed. All factions worth a damn adore me. Big MT and all of its tech is mine. I personally slew Caesar and wiped out his elite soldiers within his camp. Wherever I go I bring justice for the common man. The Mojave is and its people are under my protection.

>>198600312
Well no because gender is determined at birth by your chromosomes and genitals. This has nothing to do with ideology.

>>198600317
The retarded pajeet that doesn’t know what fascism is and can’t argue why Stalin is a fascist despite saying it.

>>198600179
i doubt they hate it (or else they wouldn't be milking it for money in the tv show with ranger armor, house, s2 teaser, etc) but they definitely don't respect the west coast lore like they should
>I'll be really bummed if we don't see caesar's legion next season
the show is 15 years after new vegas, you'll be lucky to see the ruins of their camp east of the dam, not to mention how 'problematic' legion ideology is
maybe they'll have the remnants devolved into raiding bands like they used to be before caesar

>>198599101
>plays an RPG
>role plays the 2nd banana
You do you, anon.

>>198600350
That's not me, you're talking to somebody else at this point.

>>198600367
If it wasn’t you you would have said something before.

>>198600283
Yes. No neo-nazi says that AKSHUALLY DA NAZIS WERE BASED AND GOOD AND LOVED DA SLAVS they were realistic and working from the assumption that starvation would happen like it did in WW1 and they would rather sacrifice slavs to feed Germans.

>>198600387
Retarded schizo

>>198600327
Best way is to not be a faggot. Things make a lot more sense that way

>>198600361
You don’t need to like something to milk it, and considering that they managed to fuck shit up this badly it’s obvious they have some beef with the west coast as a whole. Because realistically there is no reason they couldn’t have set it out East.

>>198599272
>they enslave us because they respect us
What in the name of battered wife syndrome is wrong with you?

>>198600411
You would have said “not him” or “NTA” but thanks for getting defensive and showing that you’re a pathetic ESL that has to pretend to be other people when he gets btfo.

>>198599101
Weak bait

>>198600417
Basically. The show is actually pretty good when it comes to not interfering with the timelines and being canon with the games. Yeah, they made some decisions like the nuking of Shady Sands and what that could mean for the NCR but as of now we don't know what the implications of it are for the NCR as a whole. So people can have legitimate complains about that decision and personally, I do wish if they did have to destroy Shady Sands that it didn't come from a singular reason of Hank just wanting to spite his wife for leaving so hopefully we can expand of that next season and it wasn't the sole reason.

Everything else is a matter of people not paying attention or people who haven't watched the show that just see screencaps or webms without context and assuming the worst take.

>>198600435
Its trash because the BoS is literally the east clashing with the NCR in the west. I dont like how they painted the NCR as fucked up and in a fucked up way BoS was "the light" in that respect.. anybody in charge of those paladins/squires/personnel should be shot because goddamn they failed. No one mentions the abandoned stolen power armor just missing a core? Sitting outside a vault.. wide open for raiders to cum and piss in the boots at the least

I don't get it. Do normies watching streaming shows like it when characters are psychotic retards? Personally (as a 4chan veteran used to fucked up 4chan gore shit and edgy politics shit) it puts me off, but normoids like it somehow?

>>198600618
You haven't spent more than a week on this site.

>>198600634
I don't know how fast chrome deletes browsing history but it's definitely more than a week, so you are definitively wrong.

>>198600703
Faggot

>>198600607
It’s obvious they know nothing about any of the factions outside of the most surface level shit, same goes for most of the people defending this garbage.

>>198598919
>He is the npc route, you abandon any sense of worth and become a servant,
How is this any different from the NCR or the Legion? You're either working for the NCR's military, working under Caesar, working under House, or dictating orders to a somewhat questionable robot governor. Last I checked the most popular option was Yes Man since it's the most ambiguous, it's literally just a blank "i'm da boss now :)" option for people who don't want to think about the factions and make any hard choices.

>>198600607
What did the NCR do that was so fucked up and what did the BoS do that was seen as good? The NCR are constantly shown as the good guys with Moldaver running a peaceful community in the Observatory as they got ready to receive the cold fusion cell to power L.A. We see from Vault 4, how they help liberate them. The Brotherhood of Steel was shown as a harsh society of people seeking artifacts to keep them to themselves, and they basically come in to the Observatory guns blazing and kill everyone. The last scene before Moldaver dies, is literally her telling Maximus, do you think they'll do the right thing with all that power?

The only harsh thing the NCR ever did on the show was basically raid a Vault and killed a few people to get the guy who killed a city with a population of over 30k. Which if I have to suspect, Moldaver basically rounded up a bunch of disposable raiders to get Hank from the Vault.

>>198600748
Makes me sad. Its also why I think a lot of writers are half assing things. Letting AI write the rest while they coom all day instead of coming up with original content then backtrack, "proof read" and think it can slide

>>198600764
.... how's DC under BoS control?

>>198600459
Nah, you're so completely wrong and you don't even know it schizo

>>198600703
Don't even try roleplaying as a le epic oldfag. Anybody can sport that shit from a mile away, I don't even know why you'd want to be a le epic 4chonggler anyway. Everyone here is mentally ill or a neet who failed somewhere in life.

So did they explain where the orthodox christian who doesn't tell its initiates how penises work brotherhood came from? The one that was okay with lesbian romance? Since it's obviously not the bunker from Nevada?

>>198600842
Explain how what I said was crazy? If you can’t it’s obvious you’re just saying this because you can’t deny it (which funnily enough you haven’t) or argue against it.

>>198600764
Yes. NCR wasnt bad, maybe a bad egg morally here and there. BoS was psychotic with their lust for tech. Its easy to see in the games

>>198600856
>The one that was okay with lesbian romance
They weren’t okay with that and he’s dead.

>>198600882
That was literally my first post in this thread just to fuck with you, and you still think you're arguing with somebody else lol. Cum on nig

>>198600855
I don't know what "oldfag" means in 2024. I came to /b/ in 2009 because my friend (who I sadly haven't spoken to in like a decade) told me that's where all the funny cat pictures came from. Nothing else matters because that is the objective truth.

>>198600913
So not only can’t you explain how what I said was crazy you’re only now deciding to use this excuse? Like I said you’re pathetic ESL pretending to be someone else to cope.

>>198600910
Yes they were. She didn't leave because she was a lesbian. Do you think she left because she was a lesbian? Because that is not what is stated in the video game.

>>198600856
I dont care who you are.. retarded forest gump black man or not. By the time you are a teenager you know how your dick works. Obviously written by a woman, or worse a woman who doesnt know how dicks work. Exploding dicks description.. fucking retarded

>>198597154
>NCR
>commies
You ever played New Vegas

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>>198600939
Lol that guy was right, you are a schizo. I'm like the 3rd guy now, pussy

>>198600889
It's been 10 years since I played NV, and even more since Fallout 3. So my views on the NCR have stayed with bringing order in the wasteland even if they are dicks and too strict from time to time but better than other factions out there. BoS for me have always been militant dickheads that hoard technology but have the firepower to face the threats they come across so they bring their view of order that way. They're both good in perspective but there was a definite bias towards making the BoS that were in California a bit more unhinged and evil.

>>198600964
i think the show is trying to imply that a lot of the men in the wasteland have dicks that dont work

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>>198600954
>Yes they were
No they weren’t, Veronica is an outcast for a number of reasons that was just one of them. The Brotherhood out west doesn’t recruit so their numbers rely on their members having kids especially at that point since the NCR was dwindling their numbers extremely quickly.

>>198601052
>they depend on their members having kids
Nice headcanon, but I'm not sure how this explains their members not understanding how penises and orgasms work. Seems to be the opposite.

>>198600984
Is this supposed to prove anything or are you just throwing a tantrum now? Also let me guess Kuroba?

>>198600964
>>198601015
or hear me out, Maximus got caught off guard by her forwardness and because he's such a massive virgin that has never had that sort of interaction didn't know what to say and made some bullshit up to cover the fact he is a virgin and can't have sex. Because in the next scene he is with her in the room, he does another sperg reaction and just tells her to make his cock explode. I'm sure he knows about sex, I'm sure he has jacked it off but I doubt he has any idea of how to actually have sex or how to act when a girl wants sex.

Why are you guys talking what he said in that moment to mean that's how the BoS cell he is in does shit?

>>198601036
there's nothing wrong with this, in fact this is good.

>>198597154
>old: war never changes
>new: capitalism bad, communism good

>>198601015
Nah his worked he was literally to retarded to know how to use it when she asked to fuck. Also like a retard

>>198601086
>Nice headcanon
So you haven’t played the games, gotcha because the Brotherhood out west doesn’t recruit people outside of very specific circumstances.

>>198597154
>Scientist brains that are a little wacky but good hearted otherwise
>Maybe religious quacks, but they love their tribes and want to do what's right
>Crazy nuke man who is evil but points out how factions are le bad too

With the exception of Dead Money all the DLC points out all the major factions are evil. I wish there was a mod for a Kings main quest run. They're obviously the only genuinely good guys in all of Vegas.

>>198601113
I really don't get why you have to make up elaborate headcanon to defend a dogshit show. What they write is what they're showing.

>>198601137
What does that have to do with the factions being evil?

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>>198601136
I have played the game. There is no controversy about Veronica's lesbianism. That is not in the game, that I played. You embarrassing retarded fucking faggot. The fact that you're trying to erase LGBTQ folks to promote a woke amazon show is fucking hilarious though.

>>198601196
No haven’t, you didn’t even know the brotherhood out west didn’t recruit people. Now you’re getting assblasted and trying to act smug to save face.

>>198601128
fallout's always been somewhere between satire and criticism of mccarthyist attitudes and capitalism itself
the stuff we're allowed to see of the commies is pretty bad too (except for that chinese ghoul captain in FO4, he was alright)

>>198601143
>Always take the lines that characters say at face value
>There is no implicit or explicit
>If it was said or on screen, it is exactly how it is
>Context doesn't matter towards meaning
I mean, considering you anons here started calling the NCR commies just because of a character that's in the NCR being called one. I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

>>198601222
You're seriously not even trying. You didn't even try to dig up some obscure line. Veronica being a lesbian is never brought up as a problem. You didn't even try to challenge this.
>>198601227
But I guess this retarded fucking faggot is implying it? Or something similar? Still no evidence. Guys, this is really fucking embarrassing? Do you really think this will net prime subs? You don't even have an affiliate link so what does it even matter?

>>198601287
>Veronica Santangelo: "She left the Brotherhood. Wanted to put some distance between herself and her parents. Since our membership isn't open to outsiders, some members think that obligates all of us to procreate. You can guess which camp her parents belonged to."
Are you done being a retard? Because if so go and play the game.

>>198601171
Contrast.

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>>198601307
well shit a PC entry with an individual's implied opinion. You know the individuals who try to kill you because they oppose Veronica's stance on the brotherhood. Let me remind you, the brotherhood that is almost wiped out and in no shape to challenge the NCR no matter what their ideology is. That totally means the brotherhood is orthodox christian. Or no, it does not actually. You fucking faggot shill faggot. Do you actually think shilling for amazon makes you le based anti-faggot trad?

>>198600969
You ever played fallout?

>>198597154
The NCR are definitely not commie. They are capitalist to the core. The closest thing to communists in New Vegas are the Followers of the Apocalypse

>>198601472
That’s Veronica’s dialogue from the game retard not a terminal entry and it’s saying why they broke up.
>You know the individuals who try to kill you
The people that try to kill you aren’t Christine’s parents or related to her
>That totally means the brotherhood is orthodox christian
I never said or implied they were you’re just trying to tack this on because you can’t argue your point. Also there is no way that’s your screenshot because you would have to be a massive retard for that to be the case

>>198601224
That’s never been the main theme and you know it. The tv show isn’t even satire, you shill.

>>198599708
Exactly. That's why it is a problem that the NCR are portrayed as the good guys who dindu nuffin in the show

>>198597154
so, what is it, two bears or a two headed bear?

>>198601953
i dont feel like they are portrayed as anything at all in the show

>>198601410
But it’s not contrast, each conflict in the DLC covers on an aspect of not clinging to the past, with DM it’s about individual obsession, with HH it’s about dealing with one’s sins and past mistakes and wrongdoing, in OWB it’s about not just mindlessly admiring and coveting shit from before the war, and LR is all about coming to terms with all that to deal with the problems of the Wasteland and decide what to do with its players.

>>198601777
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like 9 times out of 10 you find a building terminal with logs before the war happened it'll be about red scare shit or corporations being comedically evil for profit
is it the "main theme"? no, but it's a core component of fallout's pre-war worldbuilding to show how dysfunctional things were in america before the bombs dropped

i don't even remember the show saying "commies good" so i'm not sure what you're yapping about, moldaver's meeting wasn't pro-commie, it was anti-vault tec
the vault 31-33 alliance is the closest thing we see in the tv show to a communist society, which turns out to be incredibly ironic with the twist at the end

>>198598589
Dumb take. I'm the only good guy, through the power of Yes Man and a fuckload of securitrons

>>198602256
>Communist is just what they call people with good ideas
All the cope in the world can't unsay this line.

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>>198599167
The Legion, as it exists at the time of New Vegas, is a very weird organization that can only really function in a post apocalypse. They're basically a mobile army that secures trade routes, and in exchange for (lenient) taxation and (absolute) obedience, provides security to the areas they conquer. Tribal societies get absorbed into the Legion proper, but settlements are left mostly intact, they just pay protection money to the Legion now, and if the Legion needs anything from them, they provide it without question.
The reason the Legion doesn't deal with massive revolts/betrayal is that their territory is legitimately safe. Their military, while primitive, is extremely well organized. They kill all the mutant monsters, they kill or absorb anyone who would be a raider or bandit, and then they move on. Anything that shows up to threaten their supply lines is dealt with brutally.
The end result is that for an ordinary person living within Legion territory, the choice is between safety, and a serious risk of getting killed in a truly horrifying manner.
Contrast with NCR's frontiers, where people experience greater freedoms, but pay significant taxes and still often have to fend for themselves because the NCR's military is stretched too thin.
It's important to remember there's a difference between The Legion and the people the Legion rules. Women are free and can be leaders in a society that owes fealty to the Legion, for example, but within the Legion, women are slaves who do labor, act as medics, and birth children until they die.
Why don't the slaves revolt?
For the same reason slaves didn't revolt everywhere else: the risks are simply too high. In the Legion's case even more so than the Antebellum South or real world Antiquity. Legion slaves are in constant contact with a caste of highly motivated, extremely capable, extremely brutal warriors. The odds just aren't good.

>>198602474
I mean, if you're going to put words in his mouth...

>>198602474
Nta, that wasn't the line. It was
>I'm not a communist, Mr. Howard, that's just a dirty word they use to describe people who aren't insane
Which invokes the mccarthyism of the 50s, in which communism did in fact become a persecution label for lots of ordinary people who were not actually communist. It notably also missed the mark on Hollywood, which was in fact full of commies and were not burned out.

The first episode is easily the worst one. Isn't it usually the opposite?

>>198600969
The show changed that.

>>198602586
lol retard

>>198598435
Are you retarded? He clearly said they're the american military not the american government, which is true they're the last remnants that deserted just a couple of days before the war. Also how the fuck you compare a knight themed organization with a structural hierarchy like the christian knight orders from the crusades with Muslims?

>>198597213
New Vegas is super casual and not a big time commitment at all. 99% of the gameplay is just the same exact thing as Fallout 3 (autists will seethe but it’s true). The remaining 1% is larping as a believer in one of the several factions’ politics.

>>198602692
You are likely capable of argument, don't be an impotent little sperg.

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>"OH GEE WOW I CAN'T WAIT TO LEAVE MY FAMILY TO GO DEFEND THE STRIP WHICH THE NCR HASN'T EVEN FUCKING PROPERLY ANNEXED"
>Gets sent to die for Brahmin Barons and taxes
>End up getting raped and murdered by a drug addict with a golf club

Such is life for the NCR zogbot

>>198602717
>why aren't you arguing in semantics like me
Both American power structures
Both sand people religions
you call him retarded but you're arguing for the sake of it

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"WOW I'M SURE GLAD THE NCR CONSCRIPTED MY SONS TO DIE FOR THE NEW ISRAEL REPUBLIC SO I CAN VOTE FOR DEMOCRACY"
>Literally votes for the daughter of the last president that was in power for 50+ years (Same with her Father)
>Only reason she "loses" the presidency is she fucking dies

>>198602586
Wow that communist meeting she leads really blows you the fuck out

>>198602905
Not an argument. You probably think that all parties participating in the October Revolution were communists. They weren't, which is why the years following the revolution were an absolute factional bloodbath.

>>198602586
>THERE'S COMMUNISTS IN MY SOUP?

>California is filled with arms manufacturers and military contractors
>Infamously one of the major centers of the mid 20th century Conservative movement
>Only Western State with lots of old money
>Every left organization there is infiltrated by feds from CHAOS/COINTELPRO until today
>Assume whole state is left leaving because of a few liberals in Urban centers

Americans know so little about their history

>>198599221
I FUCKING HATE T45 ARMOR

>>198602989
Blame the navy for dumping all of its fags in san fransisco

>>198602996
Filtered
T-45 is one of the best thing to come out of Fallout 3

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When did you realize that he did nothing wrong?

>>198603073
because he is muadib

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>>198603073
When the NCR and BOS killed each other

>>198599928
>Buying an IP just to destroy the world someone else created seems like a good way to instantly devalue your investment.
anon finds out it isn't about money...

>>198602989
Those are actually conservahicks leaving.

>>198600756
I appreciate that Dust incorporated that ending into its canon

>>198599167
-Caesar was kidnapped by a tribe and taught them how to read, build machines, and use guns, and then led them to victory in 81 separate tribal wars.
-he believes his ultimate conflict with the pseudo-democratic NCR will result in the Legion's transition from glorified Raiders into actual nation-state
-everyone in the Legion is a technically a slave except for Caesar
-Caesar entices new tribes with local authority and new members with three square meals a day. Also his diplomats lie about his respect for minority rights
-everyone hates NCR for the same reasons except NCR is slower, gayer, and more dishonest about the process

>>198599329
House gives me a secure apartment with running water and A/C

Bethesda and the showrunners should double down and kick Obsidiots where it hurts by having this LA BoS chapter rebuild Liberty Prime and have it annihilate more NCR remnants in the Mojave.

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>>198598589

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>>198604299

I know legion autists really hate the NCR but they're clearly a stablizing force even if they're forcifully reintegrating the world.

The legion are all the worst aspects of Rome without any of the good stuff. You know the leader has brain cancer so it definitely falls apart without him.

oh yeah and the burning man says hello.

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>>198604466
Caesar states that he doesn't intended for Legion to stay the way it was, but to merge with the NCR in the long run, fixing both the Legion and the NCR.

I'm pretty sure this Brotherhod of Steel we saw has actually be Legionified, or in the process. The Legion didn't win and Caesar's plan didn't play out like he envisioned, and instead the whole "hegelian dialectic" happened between the Brotherhood and the Legion. Cleric Quintus is literally setting us up with some real kino.

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>>198602566
>can only really function in a post-apocalypse
>what is a cartel
>tfw live in Mexico

>>198605198
nta but rome (what the Legion is intentionally, in-universe modelled after) was the GOAT at squashing cartel-like corruption for a good while.

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>>198602566
>can only really function in a post apocalypse

>>198605196
I mean as long as vault tec exists, they're basically an endless population of corporate suicide bombers, even if they didn't set off the original nukes. I think like most it is obviously a red herring and someone beat them to the punch.

Also Legion and Bos are just not compatible, tech junkies and weird introverted luddites scrounging the world for tech and Legion do not mix at all.

I could see the NCR's and Legion meshing because both want to build a civilization but as far as we can tell, it seems like east coast bos and west coast hooked back up and that means most likely institute is dead. So at least old world robots won't take over the world.

>>198601953
>>198602030
They're portrayed at being what Lucy believed to be the "good guys" would be doing all along. The NCR literally looks like rebuilding America to her, which is why she so quickly takes to heart their destruction. She thought HER purpose was to rebuild America, only to find out that people had already been doing it for over a hundred years, and her father nuked it.

>>198597154
OP is right, you should subordinate yourself to tyrannical corporations

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>>198597154
Mr House is the best choice for the average wastelander
NCR are socialists pretending to support democracy
Legion is a meme but at least they take care of raiders for traders
Yes man is just a meme

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>>198605574
>Also Legion and Bos are just not compatible, tech junkies and weird introverted luddites scrounging the world for tech and Legion do not mix at all.
The details are right in our faces. The Hegelian Dialectic merger that Caesar was prepping the Legion for doesn't care about how "compatible" the two sides are. The show just dresses the Brotherhood of Steel here in oodles of hints of Legion-style attitude and ethics. Suggested instant public execution. Just took over Filly. The Red-Gold banners. Heavily reinforced hierarchical structure. Titus talking about traitors being strung up by their lungs. NAMES.
MAXIMUS. THADDIUS. QUINTUS

Quintus sees himself as bringing in the Brotherhood of Steel as the power and rules of the wasteland. It's actually a dope twist of events.

>>198605770
Names like that have always been in the Brotherhood, and Caesar isn’t going to merge or join forces with people that let women fight or allow the use of chems.

>>198605929
Caesar is dead bro. If he wasn't killed in the events of FNV he was going to die regardless. And you're also not understanding his own words from FNV.
Finally, BoS used American names with Arthurian legend twists. All the names given are straight roman/latin. Well Thaddius would be spelled Thaddaeus but that's just wasteland things

>>198606040
What American names are Talus and Rhombus supposed to be? And why would the Legion just completely abandon all of their tenets and ideals just to join up with the Brotherhood?

>>198606104
Caesar died and they became headless (an event strongly suggested to be coming from FNV) and the merging East/West Brotherhood got sucked into that.
I'm not sure why you're insisting that the Legion abandons all their tenets here. Strict hierarchical organization, "acts of bravery leads to promotion", the strong survive, are all HARD Legion attitudes.

>>198605198
You made me smile buddy. Cartels are actually a pretty good comparison to the Legion, especially the weird ass ones that start making up their own mythology.
Please stay safe.
>>198605428
This is actually a pretty good comparison. The Legion is the Mongol Empire at the height of it's expansion. Even Caesar's deference to the Followers of the apocalypse could be seen as comparable to the Mongol reverence for scholars, though the Legion as a whole is anti intellectual. One of the fun bits about a Legion play through is that they don't really have a use for a giant moron warrior version of the Courier. They need someone with smarts to help them win.

>>198603977
It wouldn't surprise me at all if they end up copying Dust for S2's version of the Mojave, turning the whole area into a doomed wasteland is the only way to avoid picking sides with NV's ending

>>198606304
We're going to find out who won in the end and that is going to piss a lot of people off regardless of who is picked. We already know NCR got decapitated, so even if they won, they would effectively be done.

>>198606222
>Caesar died and they became headless
Aside from Vulpes, Lanius, and Lucius
>and the merging East/West Brotherhood got sucked into that
Again that doesn’t make sense? The members of the Legion didn’t understand let alone cared about the dialectic shit they just did what Caesar willed, they’re not going to go against that just because the Brotherhood showed up.
>Strict hierarchical organization, "acts of bravery leads to promotion", the strong survive, are all HARD Legion attitudes
But they’re not Brotherhood attitudes given that they’re pretty much just techno raiders that larp as knights and intimidate wasters out of any pre war tech they might have. Not to mention you’re ignoring some pretty big details to try and create a scenario where the brotherhood takes them in or they join. The coed shit on its own is a deal breaker everything else is just extra.

>>198598919
> you abandon any sense of worth and become a servant

I have no problem with this if humanity thrives

>>198606304
>>198606369
It’s going to be Yes Man, and the Courier would either be dead or would have fucked off.

>>198599427
>uplifting services
Lmao

>>198606468
I would prefer that over Follower fags, or any of the other tiny tribes, mr house or legion. Yes Man might have been a meme but I like the idea at least western take on it like Rebuild World, where AI and robots effectively take over what man left behind and are having to jockey with those forces to rebuild their own civilization.

At this point between the Institute and Yes Man, we're possibly moving in that direction and despite that other anon's enthusiasm I just do not see the legion in the show's depiction. Too many things are off.

They didn't even get the BOS right, and the fact that one of the local leaders want to break off a faction and make a new bos doesn't bode well at all.

>>198606468
I really hope we get a flashback with Oliver being chucked off the side of the dam
https://youtu.be/-IF_eH-_k-s?t=203

>>198606598
The Legion most likely won’t be there because they can’t be portrayed accurately without making the kind of people this shit is meant for burst into tears. But if they are there they most certainly will either be killed off camera or changed completely.

>>198606418
>Again that doesn’t make sense? The members of the Legion didn’t understand let alone cared about the dialectic shit they just did what Caesar willed, they’re not going to go against that just because the Brotherhood showed up.
You don't understand the dialectic shit. Go talk to Caesar in FNV again.

>history conforms to a “dialectical” pattern, according to which contradictions generated at one level are overcome or transcended at the next

>>198602989
I want my state to be liberated from the fagopoly.

>>198603023
This is quite literally what happened

>>198606698
>You don't understand the dialectic shit. Go talk to Caesar in FNV again
Caesar didn’t even understand the dialects shit truly, his whole Hegelian rant is a meme and it basically is there to justify what he wants to do for both the Legion and the wasteland at large. And that is aside the point since you’re ignoring that the people below him didn’t understand let alone know about it either.
>history conforms to a “dialectical” pattern, according to which contradictions generated at one level are overcome or transcended at the next
Except no one is going to do that since you’re having two vastly different cultures with different ideas and for the change that Caesar wanted to occur to happen it would require a violent exchange of both forces and ideology. Which would only lead to the Legion being utterly destroyed and everyone in it scattering and forming back into smaller tribes. They’re not the Brotherhood, no matter what cope you use it’s not going to change how this shit works and who both the factions are.

>>198597154
>ncr
>commie
It was probably carved up by the Brahmin Barons after Shady Sands got nuked, there's nothing commie about it

>>198606832
You don't understand, cultural assimilation isn't an intentionally guided process done by leaders. It's an outcome of natural human interactions. You keep saying they're vastly different, but they're not. Just look at the signs in the show, everything was chosen with intention. You're the one who's on copium right now trying to keep your little factions all the same guys unchanged in the Fallout universe.

>>198606960
I’ve explained how they’re different and so far you haven’t actually presented a counter or actually tried to argue against me but just reiterate the dialects while saying I don’t understand.
>You're the one who's on copium right now trying to keep your little factions all the same guys unchanged in the Fallout universe
1. “no u”
2. You’re the one advocating that since you’re trying to say and justify that a unique faction has become part of the most over represented and over saturated faction in the setting.

Did you enjoy the pro communism message the show had?

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>>198597154
Always were.

I wasn't expecting the show to be as good as it was. The first episode was extremely deceiving. All of the characters are fleshed out and extremely well-written and the dialogue very good as well.

>>198602586
yeah she clarified that she was merely a socialist democrat, i don't know why people are freaking out

>>198607127
I've already presented you with plenty of evidence
You don't read, you don't want to consider the evidence, and you don't understand. If you're dedicated to being ignorant, I can't help you, but you certainly cant' use that to say that I'm wrong.

>>198607282
Is that why you completely ignored what I said about the Brotherhood? Or the fact I brought up the other leading figures in the legion? You’re just projecting all of the shit you’re doing onto me to cope with your inability to argue.
>If you're dedicated to being ignorant, I can't help you, but you certainly cant' use that to say that I'm wrong
You see it’s pretentious smugness like this that fags always resort to when they can’t argue, they think that acting like this will somehow put on the veneer of intelligence.

>>198607213
Maximus was the best character, which is incredible against the multi-faceted Coop and the effectiveness of Lucy. It also has just really clean pacing and structure that just keeps its momentum.

Even if it's not perfect, it just worked so well in so many ways I'm just happy they made it.

>>198607404
I don't get why people hated Maximus. He is really well-written and his interactions with Thaddeus when he was in the armor suit were great.

>>198599329
>House make people pay taxes
https://youtu.be/6A5raLXDsmc

>>198607396
The three individuals you named would have no relevant impact on the cultural assimilation between the brotherhood and the legion. The fact that you can not understand that, WILL NOT understand that, proves to me that you just don't want to get it. You are actually afraid that I'm right. Sorry bud, but you can't argue from the position of willful ignorance. The only thing you say about the brotherhood is that they have to be a monolithic unchangeable organization. It's literally maximum cope, because the amorphous BoS aren't even that in the video games, let alone the show, which clearly presents a very different BoS. Take your Sonichu autism and just go

>>198607585
>The three individuals you named would have no relevant impact on the cultural assimilation between the brotherhood and the legion
You said the legion was headless and I named three figures that could take his place and Lanius does take his place if Caesar dies during Et Tumor, Brute?
>You are actually afraid that I'm right
Projection isn’t healthy and the fact that you keep adding in all this weird emphasis, random capitalization, and the fact that you have yet to address what I’ve said in regards to the BOS show that you know you’re wrong and just doing everything you can to hold on.
>that they have to be a monolithic unchangeable organization
That is not remotely what I said about them and you know that since I typed it all out. Now stop coping and address the issue properly.

>>198607434
>I don't get why people hated Maximus.
I suspect there are a few reasons.
1. Kneejerk pol/tards/ are scared the skin color of the actor
2. Capeshit lovers can't grasp the kind of character that Maximus is. They need Maximus to be an exclusive expression of what they think THEY would do if they were in that position. ie. Doesn't make mistakes, competently heroic, gets laid. All the things Maximus doesn't do.
-Related to the above, but also BoS autists who want to self-insert into the BoS through Maximus and don't like the mess he causes.
3. Women don't like Maximus, he's dishonest.

>>198607434
He's the worst character with the worst traits of real life zoomers of right now.

>>198597486
>They no longer exist to serve the people, only to protect the government
The Brotherhood is literally a US Army division that discovered the human testing to create super mutants and then declared war against the US government 5 minutes before the nukes fell.

>>198607690
Again, you can't argue from ignorance

>>198607732
So essentially the BoS was started by an US army DEFECTOR? Yeah, that's not the American Military anymore.

>>198598589
>NCR are a piece of the old world trying to stay relevant.
They're literally an upstart civilization trying to claim old-world legitimacy by getting what remained of some US military division to recognize them as the continuation of the US government.

>>198607736
>more projection
So far not only have you not been able to address simple shit but you’re not even giving actual replies just hurling pretentious insults. What’s next are you going to smugly act like you’re above this argument while you run off with your tail between your legs?

>>198607719
And? He's not painted as a hero he's painted as a retard lmao

>>198607767
>I've already presented you with plenty of evidence
>You don't read, you don't want to consider the evidence, and you don't understand. If you're dedicated to being ignorant, I can't help you, but you certainly cant' use that to say that I'm wrong.

You've been just diving head first into the sand the entire time. I'm not interested in digging you out. You don't understand FNV, you've inserted your own headcannon, and now you're desperately calling for me to leave you alone and to stop calling you a willful idiot.

No one has seemed to pick up that the NCR wasn't in the show. Only those sheriffs were ncr. Moldaver is literally a raider that took over some NCR camp and that's why she had the flag there. Why the fuck would NCR work with raiders.

>>198607862
Again this is exactly what you’re doing in regards to the shit I have presented, all of your “evidence” has been countered and the best you can do is repeat yourself and project.
>you've inserted your own headcanon
Everything I have said is backed up by the games, if you don’t know that it’s obvious that you haven’t played them.

>>198606418
>Aside from Vulpes, Lanius, and Lucius
lol they can not lead the legion. Maybe Lucius. But Vulpes is too much of a cocky cunt, and Lanius is a post apocalyptic WWE wrestler (brain trauma and all)

>>198607864
What sheriffs?

>>198608022
Yet they’re there and the Legion isn’t headless.

>>198608035
The ones that picked up the ghoul from the super duper mart. The ones that had moldaver on their wanted board.

>>198607941
>Everything I have said is backed up by the games
No, it hasn't. Flat out, wrong. You don't understand the human nature of the Brotherhood of Steel, you literally incorrectly describe them as monolithic
>tech junkies and weird introverted luddites scrounging the world for tech
You literally don't understand Caesar's own intentions with the Legion from the very game you reference, and were clearly completely out of your depth in understanding the dialectic. Meanwhile, you will not address that the Brotherhood has fundamentally changed in appearance and functionality in the show. Not once.
Instead of naively trying to claim you just never played the games, I'm telling you that you played them, but you were too stupid to understand what you were seeing when you saw it. That's your theme.

>>198608059
Those weren't NCR sheriffs. They were "Govermint"

>>198608164
> No, it hasn't. Flat out, wrong. You don't understand the human nature of the Brotherhood of Steel, you literally incorrectly describe them as monolithic
Except I didn’t, there you go repeating yourself again but not actually backing up any of the shit you’re saying, I called you out for this before as well
>tech junkies and weird introverted luddites scrounging the world for tech
Nice strawman, I called them tech raiders but never said the Legion were luddites, I pointed out shit the game tells you like their scorn of chems and distaste of women in combat roles
> You literally don't understand Caesar's own intentions with the Legion from the very game you reference, and were clearly completely out of your depth in understanding the dialectic
Once again you’re repeating yourself and talking out of your ass to try and justify your asinine theory. I already explained how it doesn’t work repeating yourself without countering and instead just coping by saying “2deep4U” makes it clear you have no idea what you’re talking about. Also you haven’t mentioned anything else about the alleged “headcanon” I brought up, what did you mean by that?
>Meanwhile, you will not address that the Brotherhood has fundamentally changed in appearance and functionality in the show. Not once
Except I did when I addressed that they have always had names like that and if all you have to support your theory is that the aesthetics are different when then it’s obviously bullshit.

>>198607434
His character is schizophrenic.
Does he value the brotherhood and desire to dedicate his life to them, for whatever his reasons? Reaching the highly visible level of squire?
Oh wait turns out he's a flaky shit who does obviously retarded things, jeopardizing likely years of training, that he should know will be immediately transparent to his leadership.
He simultaneously treats the brotherhood as the means of achieving his purpose and as trivial to his whims.
The only way I can make his character make sense is if he's an idiot ten year old trapped in a 25 year old's body.

>>198608059
Retard.

I always side with them in New Vegas because I feel like they're the Mojave's best shot at peace and prosperity.

>>198608323
Now at this point all anyone would do is look back on the post chain and see how full of shit you are

>>198608343
Category 2 of a Maximus hater

>>198608343
None of those things are schizophrenic or even contradictory.

>>198597213
New Vegas graphic aged like shit but the mechanics make up for it immensely. I'd be playing it 24/7 if it received mod support on Xbox.

>>198608379
If it was that easy you would’ve been able to prove me wrong, but instead you’re trying to appeal to some hypothetical onlooker, either give a counter or stop replying.

>>198597974
>fascism is bad, white race bad
Retarded /pol/tranny.

>>198608421
You're correct, they aren't schizophrenic or contradictory if Maximus is a literal simpleton retard with low insight and willpower. What a sympathetic character.
>>198608398
Tell me more, anon

>>198608459
Nobody cares what you're sympathetic to.

>>198608431
You literally can follow the reply chain yourself.
Fuck off retard.

>>198608503
(You) do. Attempted deflection just accents the lack of response. What a newfaggot.

>>198599748
Nonetheless, the point the other anon made still stands. Cesar's Legion may be an oppressive slaver empire emulating the Iron Age, but they also have the safest and most well government territory of all the factions. Every free man under Cesar enjoys the same rights. Couriers and caravans don't even have to arm themselves when travelling Legion roads. Crime is ridiculously low. Their model of government lasted thousands of years IRL, making them the most stable system in history.

The whole game and its factions are stand-ins for the player's subject beliefs, flaws and all.

>>198608508
If that were the case you would have countered using an example and then made an argument that coincided with it, seriously how come I’m the one telling you how to formulate a fucking argument, you’re either braindead or know you’re full of shit and just trying use whatever cope you can.

>>198600108
Anglos spread literacy and quality of life. Germans spread niggerism and instability based on crackpot race theories they made up along their way to gobble up land.

>>198597789
They're literally the last functioning American military unit.

Well that and the Enclave.

>>198600179
No. They just got butthurt that Obsidian managed to mog them HARD regarding world building and game mechanics. So much so that the retards completely disregarded what Obsidian built for them in NV in favor of trying to outdo it with better graphics in Fallout 4. The latter is still unplayable due to the game forcing you to be a good guy.

>>198607434
I didn't hate him, but I came close to slapping my forehead every time he kept making things worse for himself by lying

>>198608628
They literally deserted and seceded right before the bombs fell.

>>198608542
ctrl-F
copy paste
tech junkies and weird introverted luddites scrounging the world for tech
then
Nice strawman

>>198599167
They're just a bigger gang with a leader who is greedy for land, not personal wealth.

>>198608632
It’s especially weird since it’s like they took a lot of criticism from online seriously. Like a big thing was “what do they eat” and they over corrected by giving you the ability to plant and grow crops as well as rebuild settlements. But the downside is that there are barely any actually developed settlements. Like you have at most five while the rest are just sort of shitholes that you the player needs to build up.

>>198608628
Dude they were shooting government employees left and right in Mariposa BEFORE the war

>>198608692
>Nice strawman, I called them tech raiders but never said the Legion were luddites, I pointed out shit the game tells you like their scorn of chems and distaste of women in combat roles
Leaving out the full comment just shows you’re being disingenuous, if you could prove me wrong you would have already. As it is you’re throwing a tantrum and grasping at straws.

>>198608740
no it doesn't. it calls your bullshit out directly. you're fucking retarded

>>198597213
New Vegas is much more accessible
Kingdom Come is extremely good but definitely more of a time investment, but also has a sequel coming this year

WHEN you play Kingdom Come, make sure you do ALL of the fighting tutorials, not just the required ones.

>>198603073
We don't actually know if he did anything. He said he made a choice, which isn't quite the same thing.

Moldaver accuses him of doing it, but she's an immortal commie terrorist.

>>198602989
>let me tell you about your country
you dont see me asking you why you dont use the loo instead of the street rajesh

>>198608773
How does it call out my “bullshit” because I literally posted the entire reply that you decided to conveniently leave out that shows that it was in fact a strawman. Again you know you’re wrong and just grasping at straws to cope.

>>198608709
It's also a lot more jarring when you build a 20-foot wall around the entire settlement completely covered in gun turrets, laser turrets, and rocket turrets, but raiders somehow keep kidnapping settlers from the settlement

>>198597974
Fascism is indeed bad, it's an imbecilic 20th century invention that failed everywhere just like all the attempts at communism. Essentially the only country where fascism semi-worked is Singapore, and this is only because of the size and overall oddity of that state itself.
Not defending democracy either, this shit leads to fascism in the end as a reaction. Monarchy has proven itself as the most effective and long lasting type of political organization. Aristocratic monarchy in particular.

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>>198608849
If monarchy was as good as you say it wouldn’t have been supplanted.

>>198600179
No, they're extremely bad at storytelling and don't give a shit about inconsistencies or logical conclusions.

It doesn't matter about (thing), because they need (thing) right now and it would be really cool to see (thing) again.

>>198608880
If democracy and republics were so good they wouldn't have been supplanted by empires

if empires were so good they wouldn't have been supplanted by democracies and republics

what I'm saying is, you're a fucking retard

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Jannies absolutely seething

>>198608907
>make statement
>it’s quickly refuted
>seethes
Go back to your cuck cage and jerk off about how you want some inbred noble to control how you live your life.

>>198608887
This
>we need The Ghoul to have some sort of weakness that gives Lucy a chance to escape
>what if we make it so that ghouls need anti-feral medication and he runs out?
>BRILLIANT!

ignoring that this absolutely fucking breaks the lore of ghouls in every game prior

>>198608932
I'm not that Anon. Indeed, everyone says Nazi Germany was fascist, but Nazi Germany went from one of the poorest countries in Europe into a global powerhouse in less than 5 years, so fascism can't be all bad

>>198608541
You think Rome had a thousand years of low corruption, no crime and safe roads? The Legion would surely face the same decadence and factionalism as every single nation that ever made great conquests thanks to the iron will of great warlords. They won't have an endless string of enlightened dynamo dictators that micro-manage every tax-collector and municipal bureaucrat.

>>198608958
That’s not what he’s arguing though, he’s arguing that monarchy is the best system.

>>198608849
Chicken-breast-for-brains tier

>>198608976
and I'm arguing that your logic of "if it was so good why did we stop doing it" is shitty retarded logic

to bring it back to /tv/ related, that's like saying "sodium vapor is shit because it was replaced by bluescreens and greenscreens"

>>198609013
Why are you commenting to this and not my previous reply… you’re samefagging aren’t you.

>>198609031
Because I was simply pointing out that your logic is retarded in this post >>198608880

If someone says "being fit and healthy is better than being obese" and then you reply with "If fitness was as good as you say, we wouldn't have so many obese people" then you're using fucking retarded logic and I don't need to read the entire thread to know you're a goddamn retard

>>198609071
That doesn’t explain why you replied to that comment and not this one>>198608932 despite it being the only other reply to (You) at that point. If you’re going to samefag don’t make it do obvious.

>>198608812
Have to justify all the radiant quests somehow.

>>198609101
Chain of events:

>anon says some shit about politics
>(you) say "no if monarchy was good why did it get replaced"
>I say to you "that logic is retarded"
>(you) then cope about your retardation by saying I want some inbred noble to control how I live
>I reply explaining that I am not that anon and don't even agree with him
>(you) seethe some more
ur a faget

>>198609140
>gets called out for samefagging
>immediately deflects
>is asked a simple question
>can’t answer and immediately switches personas despite it not making sense that another person would immediately side with someone else they disagree
You’re the only one seething here champ. If you had a case you would have replied instead of larping as another person.

>>198608919
What was racist about this? No seriously

>>198609206
I was banned from /v/ of all places for off-topic posting. There is no sense to it.

>>198609195
>despite it not making sense that another person would immediately side with someone else they disagree

So you're actually retarded? Your actual argument is that I can't say your logic is stupid if I don't agree with the person you were replying to either?

I guess you've never heard of the expression "I disagree with what you are saying but I'll fight for your right to say it"

Or just general logical consistency, I guess

I don't agree with EITHER of you, but you're the faggot making retarded arguments like "if X is good then why did it stop?" Learn to make some actual arguments you fucking spastic

>>198599392
Fallout 1 is shit in fairness

>>198609277
And you would care about my logic’s because? If you’re supposedly the “other anon” why the fuck would you care about something that you didn’t even address in the original reply and instead just talked about fascism as if that’s what was being argued. The only person who would care is the monarchycuck which is why I’m saying you’re samefagging.
>I guess you've never heard of the expression "I disagree with what you are saying but I'll fight for your right to say it"
No one is being silenced, you just all of a sudden started arguing the logic of a person you disagreed with when it was pointed out that he replied to a comment that wasn’t for him. You’re clearly the original guy larping as another person to try and cope and make it look like you have numbers on your side.

>>198601137
I feel fallout 3, wether unintentional or not, had the best sense of morality in terms of the fallout series. In most cases the “good” karma routes still led you down routes where you murdered people or did shitty things but in terms of wastelandnomics it’s made thing 0.1% better and therefore in the scope it f the world you live in was the good option. I think there was a fallout 3 dlc where you collect ingots that had an “good” ending where you basically solve nothing but kill a baby and put a bunch of murderous retards in charge but the other guys where dicks too so maybe you were right to do it.
I think that’s why I see people who go on about evil or good as retards as everyone in the wasteland should be “evil”. It’s probably the bit I disliked about the show too though with commie leader girl seeming to be morally right and having the gall to question what the brotherhood would do when she would be equally as brutal if she reigned

Truly unfortunate that Shady Sands didn't canonically get nuked by the Courier during Lonesome Road

>>198609525
Yeah I would prefer they dropped the karma system. It didn't exist in the first two games and trying to tell the player what is and isn't moral seems to kill the whole point of the rpg format.

>>198609746
Nta. It was a clone from Oblivion, which was Bethesda's prior game. Made slightly more sense in Oblivion given the setting having universal shared laws. Bethesda just didn't really understand critical aspects of Fallout after they bought it.

>>198609525
on the flipside, doing evil shit still led you aiding in the purification shit whether you made the sacrifice or not. good or evil barely even existed and it was all easily manipulated by giving random hobos water bottles. shit fucking sucked

>>198605428
Mongol Empire was kind of a shitshow for most of it's existence.

>>198605770
It's one of the smarter things the writers have done.
>Legion without leadership, Lanius doesn't know what a logistic is, remembers Caesar saying something about Dialectics or some shit involving merging with another faction
>BoS languishing as it is whittled down to its officer corps, sitting on tons of military knowledge based on centuries of refinement
>Both hate the NCR, reject modernity, value strong leadership

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>>198601052
Elijah wasn't a fucking Shinzo Abe you retard. At no one point he ever considered how members of his chapter will multiply, that's the point of Brotherhood of Steel, it's not a thing that perpetuates itself.

>>198597213
Refund NV and buy Fallout 1 instead. It's the only canon one. Don't fall for the bait telling you 2 and NV or the other Fallout entries are good. They're not remotely close to the first one in terms of quality.