I really don't get it. Messianic figures are le bad? That's it? That's supposed to be profound? Not women are bad because they perpetuate suffering like his mom did?Chani, what if it's a moral imperative for your people to be subordinated?
>>198621515Why isn't this movie called harmgul or problemation. Dune's main character of gloirfy is basically good-looking Hitler? Young men will idolize him, which is good by normal thoughts standard, but not good for the people who dislike genocidal thinking, race cults and Hitlerlikes.I do not understand.
>>198621515I just watch for Lady Jessica.
Dune > Dunc
This movie is a shallow, tepid reimagining of one of western literatures great sci-fi classics made and directed by a complete coward who revised core scenes like Alia killing the Baron. The faggotty twink and fugly ghetto clod is just the icing on the cake.
>>198622137>nu-/tv/ will call you contrarian for preferring top over bottom
>>198622137Children of Dune > Dune (1984) > Dune (2000) >>>>>>>>>> The entire fucking multiverse >>> Dunc.
>>198621515I really didn't dig the downer ending.I'm not clear whether his fight with feyd was inevitably won or had actual stakes. Feels like feyd was easily going to kill him. Cheap to let him get stabbed twice and be fine then feyd gets stabbed once and dies.also feel bad for chani but thas it mang I guess.
>>198622212I'm excited for part 3 if only to see a ya Taylor joy in that fremen getup.
>>198622563>Feels like feyd was easily going to kill himVillememe had to make Paul look weak after .webm rel, otherwise he'd be too cool for libtards.
>>198622563>I really didn't dig the downer ending.
>>198621997> That scene where she stomps across the set like Bluto from Popeye.Like wtf, honestly. A Bene Gesserit and consort to a nobleman, a product of untold generations of breeding and refinement among the noble houses of a star-spanning civilization, stomping around like a pre-op tranny. What a genuinely shit movie, like holy fuck.
>>198622212I don't disagree with your overall sentiment but how is Alia killing the baron that much better than Paul personally killing the baron
>>198622780Because Alia was born pre-aware and became an abomination. As in, she had not only the memories of all the Bene Gesserit, but her bloodline... including her grandfather, the Baron. She becomes an abomination by becoming possessed by the Baron, who tries to use her to get revenge on House Atreides, but above all her for murdering him. As a result while pretending to be of help, he puts her in situations that torture her. This ultimnately leads to her downfall. Her assassination has a follow-on effect. So by changing the scene where they first met, the Baron never actually gets to meet her, so that the possession and the events that follow make no real sense. In fact, Herbert was originally going to kill Alia off entirely, but his editor stepped in and convinced him to let her live for exatly this reason. But apparently Villeneuve is such an amazing fucking genius, that core parts of the book can just be cut out and revised on a whim for no other reason than some faggot might find the concept of a 4 year old murdering a fat floating psychopath in a book based on a galactic empire build on psychedelic drugs too intense.It is what it is: the defacing of a great book by a small man.
>>198622690>>198622651Well, I liked the ending, it just felt very tragic. Personally the happiest times were when they were fighting the harkonnens and together as fedaykin. Why would he abandon that?
>day x of /tv/ seething about dunc's success
>>198623340Revenge. And to establish a new Empire that will carry out the Fremen's ancient plan of terraforming Arrakis.
>>198623411>dunc's successlol
>>198621515>Messianic figures are le bad?no, it's that the salvation a messiah brings may come at great cost, and it's virtue won't necessarily be recognized until generations later.
>>198623505About to reach 700 million. How much did Dune 1984 make again?
>>198623425I understand that I suppose but everything Arrakis was, symbolised by Chani I guess, would be lost. I mean he lost everything he actually cared about and caused the very thing he was trying to avoid, the jihad, right?
>>198623543>About to reach 700 millionavg capeshit flick lol
>>198623611How much did Dune 1984 make?
>>198622212Agreed
>>198623627By the end of its run, Dune had grossed $30,925,690 (equivalent to $91,000,000 in 2023).
>>198623717Something tells me when compared to the budget it was not a success.
>>198623627soul > moneyDunc lacks soul entirely and is insignificant on the money side of things. Also, you have no taste, filthy plebeian.
>>198623765>muh soulAh, a pajeet shitposter I see.
>>198623765Trump lost
>>1986237866'1 pure white and handsome.>>198623788Didn't, but you did, ugly.
>>198623833>6'1 pure white and handsome.Post hand
>>198621515All these posts and the ugly women turned me off so I haven't watched part 2 and don't give a shit anymore.Lynch's Dune is the best anyway.
>>198623704I liked zendaya a lot more than I thought I would honestly, she was good in the film. Although personally I thought chanis friend we see floating about was way hotter than her.
I really dislike Chani in the movie. Paul may be a false messiah but he is the only person who can bring the fremen together and avoid their inevitable extinction. I think a scene where she admits how complicated the situation is would have helped because her interrupting the war council after the harkonnen attack would have been treasonous under any other circumstance. The movie actually makes Paul look better because by the end he is a man who made a hard decision for survival whilst Chani is a stroppy teen who doesnt like that her family likes him more than her.
>>198623857You don't make demands, slave.
>>198623908Yep, brown person it is.
>>198623882Yeah 4/10 vs 3/10 case right there.
>>198623882Zendaya acted too much like a social studies graduate. That may be the writers fault but she is supposed to have her own alien culture.
>>198623905Nah bro. Paul was SUPPOSED to live like a poor sandnigger for the rest of his life fighting a perpetual guerilla war against the Harkonnens
Lynch's Dune is a mess of a movie but I felt it captured the otherworldy feel a lot better, Villeneuve has a distinct style in his films that didn't really fit the universe of Dune. Somber blue-grey color grading and long scenes with minimal background noise and a focus on dialog fit stuff like Prisoners or Enemy perfectly, but not this. The casting was shit too, there has never been a well cast Paul or Chani but a french faggot and a gorilla nigger sure weren't good choices either. Fuck changing characters to be women and black for diversity points too.Of course normalfags love it because they are stupid hype driven retards who don't pay attention to anything outside of pop culture, so everything is novel to them.
>>198621515>Messianic figures are le bad?yes, and you are a fucking retard if you believe otherwise, stupid christcuck
>>198623587Yes, that's right. Which is why the Fremen start to splinter and many begin to actively fight against Paul's plan because they see it as the death of the desert, which it was. This anon explained some that well:>>198623518As in, they decided it simply wasn't worth the cost. It took the Golden Path, an act Paul was unable to achieve to carry the plan through. Because ultimately, the fate of Arrakis was intimately intertwined with the fate of mankind itself.>>198623627I'll answer that. $30,926,865. Now answer me this: how much was the marketing cost for Dunc? Nobody in this thread claimed Dune '84 was a raging financial windfall. You created that to prop up a personal opinion where marketing trumps talent and vision. Even Lynch hated it, which is ironic, because even the movie he hated had more going for it than the banal flailing of a lacklustre talent living vicariously through the works of others at the behest of woke corporations.
>>198623882How did you manage to avoid vomiting in your mouth?
>>198624003Read the whole post my illiterate friend
>In the introduction for his 1985 short story collection Eye, author Frank Herbert discussed the film's reception and his participation in the production, complimented Lynch, and listed scenes that were shot but left out of the released version. He wrote, "I enjoyed the film even as a cut and I told it as I saw it: What reached the screen is a visual feast that begins as Dune begins and you hear my dialogue all through it. [...] I have my quibbles about the film, of course. Paul was a man playing god, not a god who could make it rain. [...] It's my opinion that David's film of Dune will also be alive and well long after people have forgotten the potboilers that come out of corporate boardrooms. This is based partly on the reactions of everyone who worked on the film: They were sad to be parting when it was over and glad they had done it. The wrap party was a rare scene of happy nostalgia."
>>198623905It's her movie characterization as an ugly loud obnoxious bitch, which was likely done because that is how modern culture thinks a "strong female" should be. In the books she is much more soft spoken and undermines Paul more by making him doubt himself than anything else.
>>198624070Hopefully Lynch will approve a directors cut soon.
>>198624064NTA but it's more that "belief in messianic figures can lead to extremism and violence from the retard masses following them."
>>198623543> combined gross of two movies vs oneThis guy.
>>198624070I can't take Herbert's own opinion of his work that seriously given how absurdly shit every book past the first was.
>>198624008>how much was the marketing cost for Dunc?Even if we assume it was double the budget and add 100 million for the theater cut as well, the movie made a 200 million dollar profit. >>198624130lmao, Dunc Part 2 made 700 million alone you retard
>>198624008>marketing trumps talent and visionas much as it sucks to admit so, this is the reality of the world we live in. You think the hordes of brainless normalfags lining up to see shit because it was marketed to them give a shit? Money is God when it comes to deciding what entertainment is remembered and what is forgotten, and most money is in the hands of people who can barely spell their name.
>>198623905Has there ever been a worse downgrade?
>>198624301Left wasn't very good either, not to give the retarded zoo animal on the right any credit. Dune really doesn't have any good adaptations besides some videogames, even the Lynch movie just has some nice visuals going for it and nothing else.
>>198624301right actually looks like a desert rat. too bad she's a shit acctress tho
>>198624189Oh I do agree with that, and good for them. That does not however make something good, just entertaining enough for those types of people. Look at the movies being released these days. All these MASSIVE OMG HISTORIC BLOCKBUSTERS! SUCH INCLUSION! MUCH WOKE! WOW! > /cure reaction faceThey will not be looked upon favourably in the coming years. History decides the worth of something, not accountants.
>>198621515You're right, you didn't.The message is not that Paul should jihad or Paul shouldn't jihad, it's that Paul WILL jihad and there's nothing you, I, or anyone can do about it, not even Paul himself.Frank Herbert was a leftist doomer. He was an ecologist and had visited the Middle-East. He saw social progressivism as the root cause of everything he got to enjoy in the 60s bit while Gene Roddenberry was huffing communist utopianism, Herbert's story was about how hopeless progressvism was purely from a historical context. Herbert felt progressivism was ultimately fucked long term due to being unable to compete with high test religious fervor. He basically saw Islam as backwards, like all westerners, but lived amongst them too long to not think they would inevitably win, and if not them then someone else. Herbert himself said the unguided eye, meaning not being able to see the future, would have been better for Paul and Leto. This would have killed Paul and prevented Leto II's birth, but he said it anyway. This is because the western liberal concept of "Actually, there is a RIGHT way to go about things. There is a morally correct solution to reconcile every problem" is ultimately not based on fact. We assume it is true. It is not actually provable. This is why Paul and Leto seeing possible futures is so central to the plot. They can see all possibilities and know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, there is no 'right' way to save themselves. All paths lead to severe consequences and death eventually and most lead to total human extinction in the distant future.
>>198624381>History decides the worth of something, not accountants.Anon, accountants decide history.
>>198624442There has to be a middle point behind drug huffing sex revolution hedonism and retarded religious violence.
>>198624301> tell me about the waters of your homeworld, Usul
>>198624360Yeah, I’m going purely off aesthetics. I keep hearing the miniseries is the best adaptation. Was that at least closer to the book? And which games would you recommend? I saw one being made but didn’t know there've been others released.
>>198624519There is. Evolution.
They should have designed better stillsuits
You've had a month to figure it out. Not gonna hold your tiny hands any longer op.
>>198624564>I keep hearing the miniseries is the best adaptation. Was that at least closer to the book?Yes and yes, although it doesn't have much in the way of visuals because the budget was extremely small, even by scifi tv standards.>And which games would you recommend?Dune (1992) by Cryo Interactive if you want extreme jank gameplay with really nice visuals and music, Dune II by Westwood is arguably the earliest RTS game ever made, and the remake titled Dune 2000. Do not touch the 2001 game, it's actual rancid garbage.
>>198624526Why does Chani need so much water stored in her body?
There's layers to this but putting aside the grander purpose of the kwisatz haderach and the golden path for a second, lets just focus on the "Fake Messiah" part.isn't the whole point that it ultimately doesn't matter whether he's a "fake" messiah or not, whether the prophecy was real or planted? Take it from an average Fremen's point of view and try to lay it all out for him and convince him he's not fighting for a god who saved his people. From his perspective, he grew up with prophecies of a future-seeing man liberating his people and turning his home from a barren desert to a green paradise. That's exactly what Paul did for them. Trying to sit him down (in his home overlooking a fucking park and a lake) and say uhm acktually some scheming nuns planted that prophecy and it's all fake and actually a lot of people can and will be as prescient as Paul there's nothing special about him he's a "fake messiah".He'd look at his surroundings and then look at you like you're a fucking retardI feel like I'm taking crazy pills whenever I read discussion on this
>>198624564It is absolutely by far the closest to the books. The director did not shy away from showing the weirder parts of the story. Sure, you can pick at the budget, but the script and especially the cast was top shelf. It certainly has the best Baron, and it even has Susan Sarandon's big ol milkers in it battling Alice Krieg for dominance.>>198624845Yes.
>>198624521The film suffered from less Lady Jessica. She was almost the main character in the first film.People dunked on them at the time but Oscar isaacs and Jason mamoa really added a lot to the film. Stilgar best performance for me at least.
>>198624813>Do not touch the 2001 game, it's actual rancid garbage.Filtered by Japanese Ordos qts
>>198624857The whole conversation is whether its organic to the culture or not. Paul was a mistake the Bene Gessirit didn't account for he becomes the messiah figure that was never intended to come to fruition or at least not fully fulfill those promises. He is a messiah figure for them but also a symbol more than a person.
>>198625012Just the game, the miniseries is fine, but that game is fucking radioactive
>>198625056That is a cutscene from the 2001 game.
>>198624519The Golden Path
>>198623241So if someone fatter directed the movie you'd be fine with it
>>198624189>Money is God when it comes to deciding what entertainment is remembered and what is forgottenNo. Power decides and plebs have fuck all power.
>>198624813>Do not touch the 2001 game, it's actual rancid garbage.I never even knew it existed, but I'm honestly doubting that. I get the vibe it's a weird old PS2 game too strange to be successful. I'm going to have to check it out.
>>198621515S P I C EM O M M Y
>>198625687If said fat director had as much talent directing as Ian McNeice had floating around being a glorious ham, then yes, the fatter the better.Because, you know, that's obviously what I meant. Yep.
