I just finished watching these. A friend gave me an ordered list so I skipped around 4-5 shows and movies to get a bigger picture. I really enjoyed it though. I kind of want to read it but I have a huge backlog of books I need to get through.
Reading it was better than watching it.
>>198631827I mean I watched up to to the massacre. Would you say that part is as good as the manga?
>>198631739Only the 97 anime and the manga are any good, from what I've seen. The other movies are just like any other beat-'em-up anime, not going after the same specific feelings.
>>198631865The anime skips a lot of stuff from the manga, even skips one of the coolest and most important characters
>>198631907The post-eclipse portion of the third movie was good too, but only from the point of Skull Knight swooping in to the credits.
>>198631865>Would you say that part is as good as the manga?The manga is outright better. The movies are okay, the 97 anime is good to great for what it was aiming to do and understood Guts/Griffith/Casca pretty well ignoring the omission of SK, but the manga is the best way to consume the story.
>>198631980I love the skeeleton guy on the horse. I jsut want to ask, everyone praises the manga so much, but what really makes it stand out, what makes it so good? The stories, art, character? I am tempted to read it, but at the same time I know the creator died so I dont know if its worth it to get into it.
>>198631739Gryffith is in the right. Fuck Guts, spread the pain around.
>>198631980What, rosine?
>>198632162
>>198632136>but what really makes it stand out, what makes it so good? The stories, art, character?all three.
>>198632188skull knight
>>198631865The anime doesn't compare to the manga at all, besides the soundtrack and a few scenes it completely misses the mark.
>>198631865The artstyle isn't as good as the manga, but it can't be. Otherwise it's a solid adaptation.
>>198632389I've never seen the anime, how does it skip Skull Knight? He's the only reason Guts and Casca survive the eclipse.
>>198632441It doesn't explain how he left the eclipse and fades out on him screaming at Griffith. Flashes back to the present after this, with his dragonslayer.It's kino.
>>198631739Guts was blacked, remember that Gutsfag.
>>198631907The golden age is the only good part of Berserk and that's covered in the only good adaption which is the 97 anime. Everything else is faggot lolicon trash.
>>198631739I dropped it when they got on boat. Guts did help people sometimes, but he is mostly about his own survival. The only other person he genuinely feels responsible for is Casca. He isn't totally uncaring for the rest of the party, but he isn't some hero protector or whatever.
Reminder that ALL of Berserk 1997 is on Youtube right now and it's enjoyable even to someone who doesn't watch animedub (very watchable)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5Ti2qWDwuQsubhttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEPJBPCPiqbQpFD9dh75T_8Qd6Cyva4LYgo put your grasses on, nothing will be wrong
>>198631827The 97 show is worth watching once just for the soundtrack.
>>198631739Phantom BTFO
>>198633660It's cheap junk. Doesn't capture the scale of the big battle or Guts and the Apostle's super human fights. Berserk deserves pretty much the best animation you can get since it's a very detailed and action oriented comic. I don't think anything has been good enough so far.
>>198632136First and foremost the art, Berserk is just on another level when it comes to manga art.The characters are also pretty good, not all of them, some like Isidro and Puck really are just pointless filler but characters like Guts, Farnese and Schierke are really good.The stories fluctuate a bit but I honestly believe the lowest point of the plot is at the very beginning of the manga (Not the Golden Age, that one plays as a flashback several volumes in), the first arc is kinda weak in that Guts is just a violent edgelord for no reason (That you know at that point), the story is however much better when framed around the context of the Golden Age since it is set right after the eclipse and Guts is out for blood and doesn't really give a shit who gets in the way; right after the Golden Age flashback concludes he has a very personal experience in the Lost Children arc and pretty much reverts back to his noble and kind persona, tough severely hardened by hardship, right in time for the Tower of Salvation arc which is another huge highlight of the story.
>>198633660I know it's legendary meme tier to this point but I could never warm up to "Put your grasses on", it's just so tonally distant from the show.The 2016 adaptation is abject cancer but the song choices for the openings are miles better.https://youtu.be/Qw9iMfRBDf0?si=Em9JGxO7KS2T5TV7https://youtu.be/B0lpgZ-fh4I?si=CSZe0-FA4PMfunhA
>>198632136The last chapter released by the creator served as a nice poetic conclusion I think, it's not a real ending of course but seeing that last page honestly made me make my peace with his death, there is a team of people who worked with him for years finishing up the story if that isn't enough for you, but it is really worth it to read what happens after the eclipse.The best arc of the manga happens right after it
>construct a setting where good and evil don't exist>readers start claiming Griffith was wrong and being mad at himare most readers just stupid subhumans?
>>198631865Nah, also the best part of the manga is after that.
>>198634387>it's just so tonally distant from the show.Anyone who thinks this doesn't understand itmelancholy punk is perfectit's really not a heavy metal show since the main characters are both rape victims
>>198634334Yeah, the Golden Age arc might be kino, but what I love about the series is Guts striving to be a better person after experiencing such hardship that would make a lesser man a psychopath killer.
>>198635357seeing him degrade so much during the lost children arc was painful, by the end of it I really thought he was going to actually kill jill
>>198635423I never noticed the bodies hanging off him until now, man those eggs were fucked. The more I thought about how it worked the worse it got.
>>198631739I gave up because the fights don't really get better. Guts still is a huge fuckass with edgy le big sword.
>>198635423Do people tend to skip lost children these days or something? Ive noticed that modern readers seem to be blindsided by wyald butchering that village and raping that girl in pursuit of the band of the hawk, or by that horse trying to rape farnese; but sandwiched between those events is lost children, with graphic infant murder and child nudity and implied child molestation and wasp kids buttfucking each other to death; and it seem to get glossed over and not commented on.
The first 22 volumes is peak manga. Golden Age is incredible and the more I read conviction, the more I like it. Lost Children is a masterpiece, probably the peak of Miura in terms of art, but I get for speed readers might feel off after the conclusion of the golden age.
>>198632136Art is good if you like dark gothic theme.Story is good but sucks after the Eclipse. It goes from gothic medieval light fantasy to high fantasy superhero slop.Character development happens mostly around the time of the Eclipse. Afterwards, everyone is as flat as cardboard in terms of characterization.Even if the author lived, there was no conceivable way for him to end the story without some ridiculous asspull like Griffith regretting his choice and letting Guts kill him.
Why did chitch have to be so naive and kill herself :( she was so happy when she thought guts was gonna take her to the other flowers.
>>198631739The Griffith quote isn't true?Griffith did the sacrifice because he felt obligated to after everything he went through to reach that point, he already sacrificed many men in battles before.
>>198631739>manga >readYou could get through every volume in a day
>>198636595Nah, that's bs that Griffith told himself to justify sacrificing all his friends, the manipulation of the Godhand didn't help. He did all that shit for himself, then he made up fairy tales in his own head which allowed him to be a good person.
Wait a minute this is /tv/
>>198634334>>198635357>>198635423Callous and edgy Guts is best Guts. Heroic shit is trite, he should've been the broken warrior, not a daycare sitter. Also>Schierke really goodPedo.
>>198631739That isn't griffiths position at all. It's "everyone has suffered so much for me why not just finish it off?" It's not necessarily a good thing but it at least makes sense.
>>198636937you have to hate all children in fiction or you're a pedo after all
>>198637175Schierke is extremely boring and I bamg only 16+.
Retard image. Griffith wasn't bad. He got mind broke after his only friend left him. After he was tortured he even considered a simple life and when the Eclipse started, he wanted to protect his friends, even telling them to not come close. The angels tricked him by conflating the fact that he had followers who died for him to make him accept becoming Femto.Guts is just a guy who never quits, who is too much connected to his life and doesn't want to let it go, specially after deciding to stay with Caska.If Griffith hadn't find the Behelit, they would live happily as the Hawk Band again, however man cannot even decide his fate.
>>198634387Yeah, metal doesn't fit at all, it's the same case with all those Castlevania metal covers, also this intro sucks ass even besides the music, shows off some of the cheap CG animation and blasts you with discordant scenes we know from pop culture. Should just be some Guts on some landscapes and panels from the manga of the hidden folk like the Noseguy and fairies.
>>198631865>the massacrethe festival
>>198631827>Reading it was better than watching it.i was meaning to read it, but where the fuck do i even start? so many books. i need a guide, sempai
Berserk turns to shit after Golden Age arc and becomes a glorified battle shonen.
>>198638807>youth of current year when confronted with numbered volumes
Berserk is shit. Sure, great art. Not much else. If it isn't edgy as fuck, it's sterile as shit. And the story? What's that? Almost 400 chapters and the only things that happened so far is>Guts joins a mercenary group>The group's leader uses some eye thing to cause an eclipse and murder his friends (with Guts conveniently surviving)>Guts fights monsters or finds new friends>Casca is healedAnd that's it. And this is supposed to be the 'greatest' manga of all time. Greatest? More like the fartest, as in "fart".
>>198631739Like Berserk for the art and that's only itIt's not as good as Fist of the North Star or Conan (the original ones by Robert E Howard)If anything Berserk is the Evangelion of fantasy in terms of being overrated
>>198639529>stop liking what i don't like
>>198639656>start liking what i likeis how it actually sounds like.
>>198639779this very much
>>198638986Kek.
>>198639779you're saying no one should discuss something you don't like, and if they do they're trying to manipulate you
>>198640377That's just what you project onto my posts, and it says more about you than about me.
>New chapter out>Puck is hot>Plenty of chances for him to turn into a chestnut again but he doesn'tBerserk is saved
>>198636858I dislike Griffith and disapprove of his methods, but I can understand the logic:>these people died so I could reach the castle>if I give up or fail here it means I will never reach the castle>if I never reach the castle, all those people died for nothing>there is a mountain of dead people watching and judging me and expecting me to reach that goal, I have to do it to not be haunted by their deaths, because their deaths will have value if I do eventually reach that goal, but if I don't then their deaths were meaninglessthere was obviously a selfish element in there as well, there's no way to deny that (otherwise he wouldn't have raped Caska in front of Guts, that served no purpose to furthering his goal, only appeasing his ego)
>>198634387Grasses on playing reminds me of better days
Griffith is a faggot cocksucker and will be eternally sodomized in the ninth circle.
>>198632162Fuck Guts, spread his ass around.
>>198632162>Fuck Gutsgladly, they dont call him the BLACKED KNIGHT for nothing!
>>198641575Also, he's not just doing it out of nowhere. He lives in a setting literally ruled by devils who did similar things to sieze power. There's no force anyone can reach for other than the behlith that could let them change the world, because of that. I think you misunderstood the purpose of Casca there though. Griffith knows he's becoming a true monster to save the world and isn't sure he can remain true that, so he's lifting up Guts with him, in way. Making him into a weapon that will kill him and the other God Hand, once the world is healed.
>New chapter is actually really goodAPOLOGISE
>>198642995What happens in it? Explain it to someone who has never read Berserk and don't know anything about it.
Why is this on /tv/?
>>198643068Berserk is /tv/ approved
>>198643068All the best /a/ threads are on /tv/ because /a/ is gay. Also /mu/ threads
>>198643097It's not.>>198643090Not /tv/'s problem.
>>198631739>left: karl marx>right: jesusi knew guts was based
>>198642948it was the most noble thing he could do for Guts, if you really stop and think about it for a really long time
>>198632136It's worth to get into it even if the story was not continuing. The news of Kentaro's death came out a few days after I caught up to the manga and I already decided then that I did not regret reading it. Also, I don't know if you already know this, but the manga is continuing under the supervision of Kentaro's childhood friend, Mori, who supposedly knows the whole story including the ending, minus some things that him and the manga studio are trying to figure out how to piece together to get to the ending and make it make sense/ There's already been 12 chapters released since then, the latest one just came out yesterday. Personally, I think that if you didn't know that the author died and kept reading as normal, I don't think you could tell that the last 12 chapters were not drawn/written by the original author. So yes, we are actually getting an ending and I guess we're gonna get a volume per year with about 10 volumes or so until the end because Mori said it's NOT gonna take longer than 10 years to finish it. There's already 1 volume based on Mori's chapters. Also, we are at the endgame of the story and I do think they actually want to commit to finishing it. Yes, there's a chance that this could be a Game of Thrones situation where they were trying to guess how to make it make sense with GRRM's ending for the books, but I don't think this will end up like that. They're actually taking their bloody sweet time with this which indicates at the very least that they are TRYING to avoid the GoT situation.
>>198643068>oh no did you just break the rules of the sewers of the internet and posted a hecking not /tv/related whatever?kys
>>198635286>>construct a setting where good and evil don't existSpeedreader detected.The God Hand straight up admit that they are evil.
>>198643131Kentaro regretted dumping all of his life into it and making it. His author comments were all about him being tired, depressed, lonely and one was especially sad.>My 30's are over and all I have to show for it are cartoons. >>198643132If this place is so bad, why do you use it? Jesus, wanting to talk so badly about some Chinese comic. Kill yourself, by all means.
>>198642995Lmao cope. The artwork and panelling have improved but the pacing is still crap and the characters still feel hollow.It's just a glorified fanfic that never should've been greenlit.
>>198643204> Lmao cope. The artwork and panelling have improved but the pacing is still crap and the characters still feel hollow.It's just a glorified fanfic that never should've been greenlit.
>>198643152>Kentaro regretted dumping all of his life into it and making it. His author comments were all about him being tired, depressed, lonely and one was especially sad.I think this was a misunderstood quote. Probably a joking remark from the author that has been reframed by irl doomers to make it seem that he is just like them. Towards the end of what he wrote, I think he sure did fell off his pacing and momentum and wanted to focus more on other stuff irl, but he did remark that he was intending to wrap it up and get it finished and he was working towards that. He didn't expect that he was going to fucking die of a heart failure. He probably had more of an actual life than a lot of Berserk fans.
>>198643249>It's just a glorified fanficignore it then.
>>198643262No, I think that anon is right. He spent all of his youth and life drawing this manga and it wasn't some massive shonen to justify the time sink anyway and it was in a porn magazine that didn't get that much circulation. You'd be dishonest to say he doesn't feel regret about that. He was unmarried, probably friendless and when you're nearing 50 in that state, it's hard to be anything but depressed.
>>198631739Isn't Berserk about some guy trying to cope with getting cucked? No idea what that thing on the left is.
>>198643396>unmarriedHe did get married. For fuck's sake, even Mori mentioned about meeting his wife in an interview. Like I said, he had more of a life than most anons.
>>198643420For some reason, I very much doubt that. There is no proof she exists beyond that comment. Not like I care about it being real or fake, but I doubt it.
>>198643370I can't. Morbid curiosity.
>>198643396Well you think wrong
Tbh, what choice did Griffith even have? Just continue being a worthless cripple that can't even wipe his own ass? Also, even if he refused the God Hand and they left, the Apostles still would've been left behind to make mincemeat of everyone.
>>198642995>APOLOGISEI don't have to. I trusted him from the beginning.
>>198635931I did like the Falcon arc. The art was insane. Guts vs Slann was unexpected and based. Berserker armor was dope, and the whole Ganishka and Kushan vs Midland thing was cool. The final few chapters were fantastic. Also, Griffith forming up his new squad was top kino. And, it was nice to see Windham be relevant to the plot since Golden Age. I felt like the Falcon arc was the one that actually moved the plot forward. Could have used less of the lame jokes though.
>>198643507From what I've read in interviews, I don't think Mori even has that much involvement. He basically gives the fragments he remembers from Miura to his assistants and they do the rest.
>>198642995>>New chapter is actually really goodYeah, makes perfect sense for the ragtag remnants of Guts' party and the Kushan army to lay siege on Griffith, when Silat and Daiba already watched first hand as the Kushan Empire and fucking God-Emperor Ganishka got btfo the last time they tried that. They're just rushing to the final battle because they don't have anything to fill in the gaps leading up to it.
>>198643647They’re going to be killed by Griffith and his army anyway retard. Silat said Griffith wants to destroy anything he has no control over, which is why he destroyed Elfhelm.
>>198631865Golden Age is so fucking overrated, read the manga. Conviction and the first half of Millennium Falcon are the best arcs
I don't delude myself that new Berserk is in any way Miura's vision. I check out new chapters once in a while, but the manga ended with Miura's death. This is the truth.
>>198639529>healthats a really brainless way of thinking about storieslots of plot points = good story?what about characters?
>is in bad health>possibly couple years left to live>has critically acclaimed legendary manga with countless fans that he could continue working on>drops itok I guess he just wants to take a break and relax the rest of his life understandable >spends the last 2 years of his life on an entirely different manga about naked children showing off their bodies>dies less than a year after this what was his thinking
>>198631739>I have a huge backlog of books I need to get throughNo you don't.I hate this shit. You fucking don't. You don't HAVE to do anything. You are free to play, eat, watch, read whatever you want, whenever you want.If you want to read berserk over reading some meme philosophy book you've had on your shelf for years because its something you're "supposed" to read then you are perfectly entitled to.
>>198643956He loved cunny
Lol, just read the newest chapter. So stupid. Fucking Kushans invading Falconia, lol.
>>198631739how much of the manga is covered by berserk redux?
>>198631739Read the manga. It's not that long. Might take you a few days at best. It's worth it. The authors illustrations are great.
>>198638807From 1. What are you even thinking? It's a story that goes from beginning to end. Start at chapter 1
>>198643956He started training apprentices though and even got back into contact with his frenemy from art school to finish it. The artist who took over is the guy Griffith was inspired by, or well the jealous feeling in Muira that was evoked and inspired griffith.He couldn't keep up with Mori talent wise and needed to constantly practice when it came effortlessly to Mori and Mori was effortless with women when Muira need to hit the gym. Muira like guts needed to struggle both with his art and at the gym to be successful. Also Corkus was their mutual friend and Miuras roommate in the dorms who was an asshole.
>>198643500>Tbh, what choice did Griffith even have?just not fuck the princess, or at least not antagonize the king about the incest. Both those actions was him pulling some shit to feel power over people after Guts left.
Really bothers me when people think a series is all its adaptations Berserk is a manga, it's not a story you come at from multiple different mediums and angles. You just read it. Wanting to get into Berserk by watching every adaptation of Berserk without reading the damn manga is just bizarre.
Retarded onions LE GRIMDARK SO DEEP shit
>>198631739does guts ever actually try to help people though? he kind of just shows up and kills monsters and sometimes people in the vicinity of the situation are saved from monsters.
>>19864660097 is good, but they had Miura's help editing it into a self contained story with potential to be picked up for season two. Thats why its so strong despite no budget.
>>198646426Who the fuck is mori?? Sounds interesting but the gym part sounds bullshit i gotta look that upThe art part is complete bullshit, the art for berserk clearly got worse at least when compared to its earlier volumes, if mori is the one helping with the later chaps then he was never anywhere near as good as miura no matter the talent, there was no way anyone seriously weighed moris talent against miura's considering the serious downgrade the art gotThis all falls apart if this mori guy got involved a lot earlier than I'm assuming. I'm talking about the art starting around chapter 360
>>198647009 Miura: I first started taking it seriously in high school. It’s not often that you come across someone in a normal high school who is trying to become a manga artist, right? So in order to meet people who had the same aspirations that I did, I went to a school that had an arts department. And I actually met people there. We became friendly rivals, and that made me much more conscious to the fact that I was going to become a manga artist. Of course, the only two people among us who actually ended up becoming manga artists were me and Mori Koji-kun (known for Suicide Island and others).Torishima: Did you submit your work somewhere since you decided to become a professional?Miura: I did indeed. I think my first one was Weekly Shonen Sunday. Mori-kun and I co-authored a piece, which we sent, but it got shot down in the last round of selections (laughs). It was a sci-fi piece; those were popular back then. Come to think of it, Mori-kun played a huge part in my life. He was like a Johnny’s lead singer. He was popular with the girls and a bit naughty, getting into fights and such. But he was serious about becoming a manga artist, so he left his delinquent-infested hometown to start over at art school.Torishima: How exactly did co-authoring work?Miura: Mori-kun was in charge of doing drafts and character designs, and I did the background art and mechs. It was a really shoddy manga, though (laughs).[…]Torishima: So you tried to compete with him in manga skill. And he was so awesome that you clenched your teeth and stood by his side despite it all.Miura: He was awesome, and it was difficult for me.Torishima: Sounds like Guts and Griffith.Miura: That was actually the inspiration. But sometimes I would be Guts, and sometimes I would be Griffith. It’s probably something that happens a lot in guys’ relationships.
>>198646894Im not against 97 at all, its just goofy to me when people are like 'oh yeah I watched Berserk' and they mean they saw only the second arc, somehow think its a finished story, and treat the entire original work as some unfinished screenplay. Some people think they will just never read a manga, to the point of complaining they can't see what happens next when it's right there
>>198643134Except the Idea Of Evil admits to being manmademeaning good and evil are synthetic and not true metaphysical constants in berserk
>>198647051Cool, cheers, I'll check out moris stuff
>>198643956FOTN was always far superiorhe wanted to die to make sure he didn't accidentally write something good
>>198647097They say it's not canon but that's literally just because Miura included the plot development earlier than he thought, and died before he could write it in when he wanted a second time
>>198643449you're the most miserable person here, telling others how miserable they are. jesus christ
>>198647148Didn't Miura just tell the audience that it was removed because it was introduced narratively too early and it still held true for those who read it.
>>198647148>>198647223I'm glad all three of us know this silly little fun factand that Miura intended for evil to be manmade in his narrative
>>198647252I think it is honestly the best single chapter of the entire magna
>>198646600for me it's studio taka
>>198631907Yes, the manga is king and the 98 anime is great, but the trilogy is also great. I dont know why it has such bad rep. Its great for people who want to have a taste of berserk, but dont have enough time to invest.>Muh cgi. Lots of anime use cgi, and its not as bad in this trilogy as well.For me, the only bad berserk anime, is the 2016 anime
>>198647355The trilogy has terrible choppy art and animation, has no real texture on account of its a 3D and in solid colors, it has zero percent of the iconic Rembrandt-styled and Medieval art, and frankly the animation is just pointless compared to the still art that does both massive scenes and motion so much better.>don't have enough time to investI don't know why people lie to themselves like this, it's really not faster
>>198647288I wouldn't say best overall in terms of quality, but it is the best in illustrating Miura's heterodox mindset (orthodox in terms of modernist thinking) when it comes to morality in his tale.Even the "godhand" the supposed "gods" or demons believe in Evil, yet The Idea says he is manmade, meaning even these ascended men are slaves to this concept.In comparison to Griffith's "enlightened", perhaps even Randian, pursuit of power, Guts' quest for revenge seems rather puny, which is of course contrasted by the fact that he is the only "mortal" (Skull Knight is barely human, he's essentially an anti-demon, if the godhand were considered demons) who can stand against them. Although ultimately Gut's pursuit is less "rational" and more emotionally motivated, while Skull Knight has intellectualized that same conflict. I imagine Skull Knight was meant to be a reflection of what Guts could become.I think the whole problem with Berserk is that Miura was never qualified to enter the realm of theological discussion.
>>198647509that's what I meant by best, the chapter itself elevates beserk to something literary. Honestly one of things I find compelling and frustrating about berserk is the fact Miura had these deep themes and grand concepts and they are contained within the silly conventions of action adventure magna. Its like he only had 2/3rds the resources to expresses what he really wanted to say or didn't quite have the writing ability too but the fucker could draw.
>>198647450>The trilogy has terrible choppy art and animationThe cgi is kinda bad in the 1st movie, but it gets substantially better in 2 and 3. On the other hand, the 2d animation ranges from good to very detailed. >the still art that does both massive scenes and motion so much betterIt cleverly tries to hide the lack of movement with good static imagery, but that doesnt change the fact that its almost a slide show with sounds.Animation means movement lol, so whats the point of barely animating a show?Anyways, I think that the massive battle scenes look better in the 90s anime, but the eclipse is ages better in the berserk movies.>Rembrandt-styled and Medieval art There is nothing Rembrandt about the 90s anime, lol. How did you reach that assumption?Only the 2016 anime tried to "recreate" that crosshatched art style from the Romanticism era, but failed spectacularly. The 90s anime and the trilogy have adapted the anime art style from their respective eras.>it's really not fasterPerhaps you are right. I guess what I meant is, watching the trilogy can be a bit more flexible as a watch. You see the 1st move this week, then the 2nd one after 2 weeks and the 3r one after a month. Watching a show with a developing plot requires some small level of dedication from the viewer. I mean, I hate dropping a tv show half way, and resume watching it months ago. I do that with movie trilogies though.
>>198647509>>198647762Isn't this all squared by the face Berserk is an existentialist drama about using labor and trauma as means to continue living and fighting under terror and depression? It's one of those manga that's not-so-secretly about the artist's own experience of drawing the manga, every time Guts painfully swings his sword in that armor that shortens his life, Miura is spending hours painfully drawing, or creating, that attack. Every time Guts is surrounded by the wailing damned trying to pull him down into eternal suffering just like them, and he chooses or has an instinct to swing his sword to resist them, Miura is talking about choosing to draw that painful attack to stave off the idea of joining the dead by suicide or inaction. I figure
>>198647933*some months later
>>198647051>But sometimes I would be Guts, and sometimes I would be Griffith. It’s probably something that happens a lot in guys’ relationships.I need more male friendship clearly
>>198647954You are probably right, even the eclipse is probably commentary on every part of yourself you have to sell to be successful in any competitive industry and guts is the struggle to remain yourself when offered success and the price of selling your soul
>>198647762He wasn't well-read enough to execute them is what I'm saying. The deeper he would go into his concepts the more Griffith would be justified and the more insane and ridiculous Guts would be. Introducing a moral supreme being above the idea of evil would be necessary, lest Guts be considered delusional, or a mere appeal to force.>>198647954please go back faggot
In many ways Berserk is about a gay man raping his best friend’s wife because he won’t be gay with him
>>198648084>please go back faggot Is it because I used the word trauma, lol? Perhaps I should have said ‘his manly duty to fight against evil’? How long are you going to be a bitch about people using basic words to say shit you literally agree with?
>>198648084You’re fucking ridiculous man
>>198648102>In many ways Berserk is about a gay man raping his best friend’s wife because he won’t be gay with himKino
>>198648247Your entire vocabulary is gay and retarded/communist.That or you're using an AI to write your responses.I can't imagine a human being talking like you.>using basic words to say shit you literally agree with?I don't agree with you but you clearly can't read though, you act like you did read my posts; that's further evidence are using AI for your responses>>198648263Nuanced positions tend to be ridiculous to the less educated.
>>198647933I was comparing the manga to the 2016 series and beyond, not to 97
>>198648371Where? I see that you clearly talk about the trilogy in>>198647450, unless you mixed up your (You) and replied to mine
>>198648354How is the series not in some major part about Guts' actual experience and the drama of his life? You're sitting there telling me you don't even care about or get much out of the main character carrying out the main plot, saying most of the manga is wasted on it, I imagine you're just blind to it. I appreciate Griffith's dealing in high theological concepts, that's a huge part of the series for sure, but we as people, are people, not ascendant devil-Gods trying to purify the aether out of a notion of universal control. Griffith's story is absolutely great, but you're talking like it's just a smart and good deal to eat human souls as a source of power, and that there's nothing to get out of a guy day-by-day choosing to fight the terror in front of him in order to survive and forge a better life for the people close to him.
>>1986484642016 series and 'beyond' meaning the trilogy as well.
>>198648474>How is the series not in some major part about Guts' actual experience and the drama of his life?That's not the contention here and you know it. Keep using AI for your responses and you'll keep getting stonewalled.
>>198636261fuck man now you make me feel the feels
>>198648502Okay, but I insist that the movie trilogy is pretty good. I have both trilogy and the 90s anime in my drive, and I think they are both just as good. I think that the TV show is bit better than the trilogy, only because it has god tier soundtrack and feels more vintage right now. I pretend that the 2016 show doesnt exist.
At this point Guts should rest in peace or wake up from a coma, he suffered too much desu
>>198648506All I did was post Guts' story as it literally is, and you're lying to yourself its some AI post. The was born into war and suffers betrayal and rape, the callousness caused by this leads to greater training and a willingness to kill with no regard for his life, him joining the Band of the Hawk is a slow journey in learning how to connect with people again and not associate that with hurt, and Griffith's betrayal and violation of his love with Casca is a major downfall that leads him to return further into using his pain as an indiscriminate weapon against anything that threatens him. Then the story goes on a massive arc about him realizing he can recover that sense of good and care for his loved ones, by fighting on their behalf rather than fighting out of pure rage and fear. That's the story, if you're going to bitch about the language I use to describe it, that's your own problem. As you tell me you don't get anything out of Guts and you assume megalomaniacal betrayer Griffith is a cool and good guyI didn't reply to or discredit your post, you bitched about mine just because I said Guts' choosing the pain of fighting over eternal damnation and loneliness, is like what the artist might go through. Whats the problem?
>>198641575Its an inhuman logic he used to deny his humanity, which continues to eat at him especially since his reincarnated body is irrevocably human after he gave up his human body because he didn't want his human emotions or condition
>>198641575Furthermore Griffith's downfall is caused by his denial of his humanity. If he could simply have accepted Guts outwardly as a true friend, instead of boasting everyone around him are only tools he could never fully respect, he wouldn't have went mentally catatonic when Guts left and destroyed his entire human life by attempting to seize power over the princess. If he had understood that yes he is in fact human and he does in fact care about people, he would have had some slack that allows him to process his emotions and humanity, rather than trying to narcissistically seize power over the closest humans who were powerful enough to defeat and torture him. No respect for people, no respect for his reality as a human being, leads Griffith to cluelessly attempt to harness and manipulate people when under distress, when an ounce of real compassion (which he literally had for Guts but was unwilling to acknowledge) would have saved everything
Also lets be real Griffith had dissociated himself from his nature as a human as a means to turn an early life of gay child prostitution for money into an act of self-empowerment. 'Haha these people are so weak with their desire for other people, I'm the smart one for taking their money by being fucked in the ass repeatedly at age 9'
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>>198633792It's good but it just ends. It doesn't even show that Casca survived and is mind broken after the eclipse
>>198631827Easily. Only reason to watch the anime is to see the scene where he puts the berserker armor on and makes them shit their pants. Scene where his limbs are shown spinning back into position was pretty nice.
>>198643944I'm happy that 200 chapters of nothing but poorly choreographed fights is a 'good story' for you, but anyone who has ever read a single book in his life will see Berserk for what it is - generic edgy schlock. Characters? Half of them are generic moeblobs, they're nothing more than a comic relief. This is how you want to spend your free time? You see some drawings with tons of gore and tons of detail and no substance and go:>yeah, I love that!
>>198635931The FUCKING boat arc still haunts me
>>198649061They're great drawings and every story is intimate with a meaningful type of evil and terror in the world. And yes I do like pictures of black swordman riding flying taurus into a demon hurricane
>>198631739i know the one on the right is Jojo's but what's the guy on the left from?
>>198649129You being funny? They're both Berserk
>>198649105>meaningful type of evil and terror in the worldSome weird flying monster massacring a village only to be beheaded by exhausted Guts after 10 chapters of constant battle, I wouldn't say that's a meaningful insight into the cruelty of the universe. I would say it's for kiddies and edgelords.
>>198649231No I mean things like the Lost Children arc being about a sexually abused child retreating to the fantasy of escape by transformation into something magical and beautiful, which leads her directly into the arms of demons to sell her soul and become a deluded monster and muderer
>>198648665>All I did was post Guts' story as it literally isWhich is not what we're talking about. The contention has nothing to do with the plot, moron.
>>198649391Lmfao you were saying Berserk has theological problems and I said that's probably because the story is more about the experience of the main character and the artist sharing their own life experience through it. How could you possibly be so offended someone brings in the rest of the story's focus? Are you just getting pissy someone talked about something besides the conclusions you drew for yourself? The other anon I replied to just said 'you're probably right'
>>198631739Was Griffith right
>>198635793Lost Children happens after Golden Age and the Eclipse though
>>198649484trying to rewrite the conversation lolDon't try to gaslight me boy>How is the series not in some major part about Guts' actual experienceNO ONEever said anything concerning this. Your insistence that this is something personal is completely irrelevant to the contention.Regardless, your argument is itself circular (the manga being about the struggle of making the manga in question) and asinine. Like saying Twin Peaks is about TV.You're simply retarded and not qualified to speak to me.
>>198649704>trying to rewrite the conversationIt's called adding to it. Are you really so prissy you need the conversation to only be about what you're saying? I didn't say you said the series isn't about that, I said the series is about that because in some part it is, and I found it worth saying when talking about the series. Go rifle through your toybox of reaction images about it some more, lol.
>>198648354Schizo posts are always so funny. You aren't a real human being.
I just want witch cummies now
>>198643984Yeah I do
>>198649880You can't gaslight me into agreeing with you retard.>>198650031Hilarious that the moment someone takes the correct position, retards come out of the woodwork yelling, "schizo"
>>198650319>gaslight me into agreeing with youIs that what you call it when you hear someone say something you don't agree with? When someone makes an argument? You say the story is theologically flawed, I say the story is more existential, and you really think I'm trying to trick you? How do you even communicate in the real world, man. Jesus Christ no wonder you're such a fan of Griffith
>there is enough fear, hatred and greed in the collective conscious, that it feeds back into reality and traps individuals into hateful fates>you can resist this by asserting independence from fate (or the influence of a negative collective conscious), though it is often as painful as a terrible fate Makes sense to me. I wonder if this guy is just mad because that's not his own exact theology
>>198631739>I kind of want to read ithe doesnt know....
>>198650407More gaslighting lolYour post is more directed toward yourself, that if someone humiliates you like I just did, it's because you were "humbly disagreeing" or "merely adding" to the conversation.In reality, you are a worm.>unironically using the word "collective conscious" while trying to disagree with medamn so this is the kind of people who think Berserk is well-written.Pretty pathetic.
>>198631739guts never said that
>>198650581Why would I be humiliated by you saying my interpretation of Berserk uses words you don't like
>>198650581Also>He literally rifled through his toybox of reaction images to post another catlmfao
>>198634387yeah. i liked the show's ending theme though. especially after seeing its last episode
>>198635793Lost Children has never been adapted to anime yet, and most Berserk fans in the West are anime-only secondaries.
>>198632136if you want masculine story full of hardships and overcoming them with extreme details, epic battles and modern sisyphus versus thanos myth then absolutely read it.
>>198641575Guts was raped as a child and killed his rapist the next day, meanwhile faggith took it in the ass for money and power which makes him double gay if not triple gay, also wanted guts to be his friend initially and friend is only someone equal then he got butthurt when Guts doesn't want to be his servant and wants to become stronger instead. Shittyth is quadruple gay.
>>198631739why can't you be both just like your ancestor
>>198636926/a/ has gone to spictranny board like 5 years ago
>>198648601>wake up from a comait was all le dream
>>198631907CLANK
>>198638861this is a favorite line of the anime-only. it always comes back up somewhere. it's beautiful.
>>198650031you're being baited
>>198643449Forgot to take your meds today, schizo
The reason Berserk is popular here is that the MC was raped by a black man and his crush got raped in front of him (and enjoyed it). In a way, it resonates with the experience of a disenfranchised incel animetroon that dwells here, and by self-imposing themselves onto the strong big badass warrior with a big retarded sword, they live vicariously through him as he perseveres against the adversity in an attempt to reclaim his sexua- I mean anus-, no, I mean masculinity, yes. Masculinty which they so desperately lack in their own lives. It's like a therapy session for battered incels. Artistic merit of the series is fairly low, though.
>>198652933I just want to fuck Griffith.
>>198631739Griffith’s forces were fully aware of the costs when they volunteered to serve under his command. Griffith stated his dream was to establish a nation under his rule, and that those serving under him might be part of the casualties. And guess what: some perished. Yet, somehow, Griffith is accountable for this inevitable tragedy? Despite informing these volunteers entering a contract with him of the consequences? The honorable Griffith is currently orchestrating a new world order of peace and prosperity. This noble man of humble birth is achieving the impossible: the constitution of a utopian society involving demons and humans living in harmony with one another, a civilization where the rich and selfish have no power, a new World that flourishes on the foundation of equality and brotherhood.Meanwhile, after Guts abandons Griffith under the pretense of being devoid of finding meaning in his pathetic existence, he still believes he can just waltz in after committing treason. As a result, Griffith is crippled and mute, the cost of living with Guts’ selfish desires. Griffith then punishes Guts for his betrayal. Yet, the merciful Griffith returns to Guts, pleading with this savage for the support of his Utopian pursuit. Guts refuses his generous offer due to imagined past transgressions. In summary: Guts is the representation of what is wrong with the world--selfish and treacherous. Griffith only desires a world where people like Guts can no longer terrorise the weak and innocent.
>>198653195Shut up, Casca
>>198653230But Guts has a big sword and crossbow cannon arm. Did you ever think about that?
>>198653230Thank you, ChatGPT. Now write me anal prolapse cum inflation erotica with faeries.
>>198633660I would watch this but it's literally not even finished, right? What's the point?
Dead thread
>>198643249
Guts was getting revenge, his goal wasnt helping people
>>198642995Go fuck yourself fuckin pleeb,its nothing like real berserk
When's Jill coming back? Schierke needs a little competition for Guts. It is a clean sweep victory for her right now, as it is
>>198654266He was getting revenge but when he returns to Godot’s blacksmith and finds Casca has been taken, he spends the rest of the Conviction Arc and beyond choosing to take care of his loved ones rather than just kill Griffith, though he struggles with his anger sometimes and sometimes uses it as a weapon to protect people. By the Fairy Island arc, he literally doesn’t even want to go fight Griffith. The newest chapter shows he was captured by the Kushan when boating back through their territory and now they’re forcing him to fight against Griffith as their prisoner
>>198653195For me, it's Puck. He's a bit small, but I'll find a way
>>198631865As some others have said, a lot of what made the manga so popular, which is to say the superb art, is lost when it gets animated. There's a reason why every anime adaptation of Berserk has been notoriously shit. The medium just can't capture it.
>>198657243The 90s one was pretty budget, but it was nice. Everything after that however, I'll grant you is varying degrees of bad
>>198635793It is strange because there is some absolutely repulsive shit being made these days. Cheap anime with the worst themes of girls being beaten half to death, molested, heads blown off with shotguns, etc. All easily found by normies because it is promoted on streaming. You'd think they'd be able to handle seeing Wyald
>>198643416The one who cucks.
Looks like the time has come for jihad. How is Guts and Silat think they're going to take out Griffith when not even the Emperor could lay a single hand on him? Griffith has every apostle in the world in his army now, plus Sonia who can just mind rape any opposing army. Plus they have fast travel via the World Tree
>>198632534It's good because you know how much he will lose.
>>198643956still salty they didn't add Casca into Idolmaster.years wasted on these games, they knew he'd postpone working on a chapter if a game came out.
>>198643956This guy was in even worse shape than Toriyama when he got dropped by his heart ripping in half. It is really surprising the people around him weren't taking better care of him. Clearly he couldn't take care of himself
I miss being the only person who read berserk back in 2012Now every gymcel is tainting it's memory
Sonia looking cute in the new chapter
>>198660723I imagine this is part of why he wrote Guts’ armor to shorten the length of his lifetime when he went berserk Like Oda, Miura was writing about his own experience making a comic. Every time he chooses to spend 8+ hours making these perfect attack panels, he’s probably chain smoking or sleep depriving himself in a way that he knew would kill him. There’s no mistake why so many manga artist eventually write their characters’ attacks to make them die sooner
>>198660776So many people said the same about you when you picked it up.
>>198642995I agree. That chapter did more plot progress for Berserk and set up compared to what Miura wrote in the last 15 Years. Was worried about the pacing seeming rushed, but its alright since the set up with the Kushan army warring against Griffith using Guts seems to be set up nicely enough. I'm glad to not be a puristfaggot
>General Daiba training all the mages from ElfheimThat might be a pretty big thing, given that he was able to hold Rakshas with his mastery over snakes and rats. Then Rickert blasted Rakshas in the face with his rocket launcher. Apostles alone may not be enough to fight a magical jihadi army prepared for them, armed with sorcery, assassins and whatever AK-47s Rickert creates
>Puck not wearing Jar Jar or Sheev cosplay outfitsFeels awkward. Doesn't feel like Berk anymore
>>198663407feels like Serk now
>>198638861It turns to shit when Guts gets the Berserker Armor, as he can just cleave through Apostles like butter and nothing ever really challenges him again
>>198653922the arc that the anime depicts is a complete arc and very enjoyable
>>198631739>graimdark edgy garbage, The MangaIs this supposed to be for children or manchildren?
>>198643134>Void, Slan, Ubik, Femto and... Conrad.
>>198643131Japanese culture is so autistic that Mori might even create a better end product because he wouldn't want to shame Miuras legacy. I think Miura kind of suffered from the George Lucas problem where he really needed an editor or someone not afraid to tell him "no" or "get your ass back to work and stop throwing the last month of work into the garbage not because it's bad but because of your mental health is a mess."
>>198631739The best way to consoom Berserk is to watch the 97 anime or read the manga only until The Eclipse happens, and then pretend that Casca dies with everyone else in The Eclipse and the story ends with Guts trapped in the abyss, fighting apostles for eternity. That's a unique and ultimately satisfying ending when compared to the slop that is post-Eclipse Berserk.
>>198667561Do people seriously not enjoy Conviction and Falcon of the Millenium Empire arc? I even thought the latest Fantasia arc was genuinely enjoyable, yes, even the Sea God side plot filler chapters. Every arc so far has felt so different from the other, that I find the story to be just as engaging as it was when I read Black Swordsman arc for the first time. Maybe it's just me, I dunno.
>>198631739>berserkDoesn't the MC get raped by a nigger and cucked by a faggot?
>>198668104When I stopped being a faggot carrying only about Guts' and his revenge I started to enjoy these arcs. Berserk feels really grand in scope and I like that. The weakest part was one Miura started to experiment with digital early on on the Elf Island, but I liked dream adventures in Casca's land.
>>198666536It's for men, which you are not.
>>198668371>manga where the protag gets raped by the darkest ugliest nigger imaginable >FOR MENkek
>>198668371>Ahn! Guts! D-don't look at me while he rearranges my insides! *french kisses Griffith*Truly a manga for men.
Miura going years without drawing Casca lewds is what caused his premature death. If he just drew her every other chapter getting raped by bandits, raped by women, raped by Apostles, raped by lolis, raped all the time, his heart would have had the excitement and exercise it needed to stay pumping
>>198647509>I think the whole problem with Berserk is that Miura was never qualified to enter the realm of theological discussion.nahyou are reading it wrongthe manga explicitly references nietzscheits nietzschean tragedy, its all about life affirmation through strugglefunnily enough the pic in OP seems to get it better than most people in this thread
It feels like such a waste of potential. Still one of the better manga I've read, but that's not exactly hard. Too much humor, way too much padding. Berserk should have ended at Miura's peak, around volume 35-40. The guy was an amazing artist with some really great ideas. Late on he made some short mangas that were pretty good with amazing art, but by then he was absolutely corrupted by the shitty Japanese otaku culture. So Gigantomaxia has some beautiful ethereal spreads, but also pissing loli used as a shitty joke.
>>198646426>>198647051He never said Mori was a better artist than him.Mori has publicly stated that basically 'I can't draw as well as Miura so don't expect these last manga chapters to look as good but with the team's help I'll do my best'
>>198670267The most recent chapter looked really good. They've come far since they started. None of the characters made me think how wildly off-model they were at all. Still trying to get used to non-chestnut Puck
Friendos, looking for a new manga to get into: Berserk, Vinland Saga, or blade of the immortal?
>>198631739>the tranime thread is still up Fuck's sake.
you faggots convinced me going to my local shop, but it only has volumes 1-2 and then 38-41, where can i order the whole thing online?
>I suffered, but that shit's over now so I'm gonna take it easy and enjoy this sandwichThis is the correct thought.
>>198631739>watching
>>198631739Not /tv/ related. Go back to /LGBT/
>Casca is somewhere, most likely Falconia>Rosa will likely encounter Casca again, finding yet another person who hates Griffith>Sonia is either about to turncoat or double down on Griffith, due to mind reading Casca>Griffith is moving east towards the Kushan's>Guts is back in the physical world>Rickett is going to mention the slap >Diaba is about to teach witches about eastern magic>Skull Knight will reappear and say some shit>Farnese will probably learn how to cast a fire spell or some shitIt's genuinely crazy how all the characters are in one of two places and are on a collusion course towards the ending. Can't wait to read it in 10 years time.
>>198671999Sonia seems like she knows everything about everyone. She also doesn't seem mentally sound and is completely obsessed with Griffith. Odds are that if everyone else betrayed Griffith, she'd be the only one he had left. Hopefully she gets spanked hard by Schierke and Farnese
My own favorite retard theory is Skull Knight = Guts
>>198653922You miss a lot if your only metric to judge a work is whether it was finished or not. There's a lot more to it than the ending.
>>198671999I cannot wait for Guts to beat Zodd and for the latter to get conflicted on if he continues to serve Griffith or kneels to Guts.
