muh saltwife editionprevious >>200738187
First for Meera.
Guess I’ll skip next week
>>200740971Wtf is that
First for mummylads
>>200741006https://gameofthrones.fandom.com/wiki/Captain%27s_daughter
wtf is going on the next episode? cole did jackshit on the riverlands and now he is hardcore fighting there or is that the rook rest area?
>women an minorities in prominent roles>still quite a good showwhoe do they do it? also did season 1 win any awards for costume design?
Obviously kings can't just name anyone they want as heir and disregard the laws of succession. Even if rhayneara wasn't a retarded whore with bastard children she still wouldn't have a legitimate claim over alicents children. The whole story is retarded.
The daeron mentions make me laugh every time
So who's /ourguy/ this season? No Bronn, no Thoros, no Podrick. Cole is a faggot.Benjicot's probably not coming back.Showrunners made Sephimond too edgy af.
>>200741043Rook rest
>>200741086>Benjicot's probably not coming back.he literally is>Showrunners made Sephimond too edgy af.they made him less edgy
>>200741086>Bronn>PodrickReddit incarnate
>>200740889Because the old King kept saying she'd was his official heir for many years. But unlike the show Rhaenyra wasn't a popular figure once she got fat, bastard rumours and married Daemon.
>>200741093>Starbucks cupKek
>>200741045>also did season 1 win any awards for costume design?Wikipedia says so i think>Primetime Creative Arts Emmy Awards, Outstanding Fantasy/Sci-Fi Costumes>Costume Designers Guild Awards, Excellence in Sci-Fi/Fantasy Television
>>200741067There are no actual laws and they literally can.
what if rhaenyra married the lannister guy? could his common sense (something that most people in the black side lack) made her be the queen and not let alicent ruined everything?
As Ulf is walking into the dinky little tavern, a bitch drops a coin purse out of a window that just happens to time really well with falling under a dragon puppet. It's happening lads.
>>200741086/tv/ is a Cole board
>What a day! That creep almost stabbed me, but the main thing is that message was delivered. Can fly home now!
This show is so fucking good, holy shit. Any other shows this good come out recently?
I haven't seen S02E03 yet, is it as boring and dark/dim/colorless as the last two?
AAAAAUUUGGGHHH!!!!!MY BOdY! MY BOdY IS RED HOT! BALERION YOU WORM! YOU WEREN'T TAKING ME HOME! YOU TOOK ME TO VALYRIA TO GET THE OL' SPICY PARASITES!How could you give your own rider the spicy parasites Balerion?
>>200741117Nta but>The sudden, bloodless fall of Black Harren’s seat was counted a great victory for Queen Rhaenyra and her blacks. It served as a sharp reminder of the martial prowess of Prince Daemon and the power of Caraxes, the Blood Wyrm, and gave the queen a stronghold in the heart of Westeros, to which her supporters could rally…and Rhaenyra had many such in the lands watered by the Trident. When Prince Daemon sent forth his call to arms, they rose up all along the rivers, knights and men-at-arms and humble peasants who yet remembered the Realm’s Delight, so beloved of her father, and the way she smiled and charmed them as she made her progress through the riverlands in her youth. Hundreds and then thousands buckled on their swordbelts and donned their mail, or grabbed a pitchfork or a hoe and a crude wooden shield, and began to make their way to Harrenhal to fight for Viserys’s little girl.
>>200741149Irrelevant she would still usurp the throne with her dad and kill tyland.
If you think Rahenyra is queen just because Viserys said so, then you must admit Daemon Blackfyre is the legitimate king as he was clearly the favourite of Aegon IV.I rest my case.
Why didn't they take their negroe friend with them?
*saves team black*
>>200741086>So who's /ourguy/ this season?off-screen Daeron
>>200741086I liked Gwayne in this ep.
>>200741149Alicent would have tried to steal the throne anyway, the seethe about le bastards was cope.
>>200741128Female dragonriders are all horse girls, aren't they?
>>200741086Aemond obviously, he is, in fact, literally me
>>200741192He's a Muslim like Rhaenyra alhamdullilah
>>200741025>Hightower? I hardly know her!
:3
>>200741141>Succussion proceeds to completely fall apart 1 second after his death.Sure worked out didn't it lmao
>>200741093>>200741128>>200741167wow I love edelgard!
>>200741187Rhaenyra was publically proclaimed heir by Viserys.Daemon Blackfyre was not publically proclaimed heir by Aegon IV. If he had been he would have been king.
ALL HAIL ULF TARGARYEN THE FIRST OF HIS NAME
>THE OTTO CATCHERS!
>>200741207>Cleanrot Knights are going to fight for RhaenyraWill the Redmanes swear for Aegon?
>>200741167>dohohohohoho
>>200741093need asoiaf anime
>>200741255Yeah because a faction started a coup. Viserys fucked up in keeping Rhaenyra on Dragonstone but letting Greens have the run of KL where they were obviously going to do this shit.
I fucking hate Cole so much.
I fucking love Cole so much.
>>200741255
>>200741175KEK
THE RATCATCHERS
Are greens winning?
Reminder that in social media Cole is the most hated character in the franchise just because he has "bitter ex boyfriend energy"He is more hated than>Joffrey>Roose Bolton>Ramsay Bolton>Little finger>Varys>Cheese>The night kingAnd any other rapist or sadist just because women think with their pussy.
>>200741262
>>200741234Literally?
>>200741262Based FEchad
>>200741140Apparently costuming is separated into 4 different categories in the emmys>Outstanding Contemporary Costumes>Outstanding Fantasy/Sci-Fi Costumes>Outstanding Period Costumes>Outstanding Costumes for a Variety, Nonfiction, or Reality ProgrammingHouse of the Dragon won for best Fantasy/Sci-fi costumes, beating out the costumes from>Obi-Wan>The Mandolorian Season 3>What we do In the shadows (the winner the year before)>Hocus Pocus 2>The Rings of Power
>>200741179>No Westerlands>No Stormlands >No Reach Shocking turnout for a designated heir for more than a decade desu
>>200741358Honestly they're right, he fucked the realm beyond repair just because he was a petty fuckboy with no self-control
>>200741358Bit shocked that a lot of the angry tweets the actor has gotten are from Pajeets for some reason.The actor's Pakistani, isnt he? Fabien something?
>>200741358He also killed Beesbury, is a huge hypocrite, tricked and bullied Arryk into a suicide mission, took out his hatred of Rhaenyra on her small children as a trainer, is a violent moron and is fucking Alicent the other most hated character.
>>200741419Go buy some tampons Roberta.
hoping the battle is good next weekend and that they didnt blow their load putting all of it in the preview. feel like its been a decent season but definitely needs a battle or three
>>200741358>destroy dragons forever>kill a shitload of people>all because you're mad the queen doesnt want your sorry assI still don't care but he killed Beesbury he deserve all the gate
>>200741141Yes there are, the concept of law predates that of written constitution
>>200741172It's easily the best episode because there's some gratuitous nudity and dragons doing dragon things, which are house of the dragons main strengthsI dont know why they think their strength is characters, because it is clearly not.
>>200741179Literally cucks fighting for their twitch girl.
>>200741433He's Jewish, actually. oy Vey.
>>200741402The Lads and the Winter Wolves wreck shit anyway.
>>200741337Alicent and Cole should recreate the bit where they fry eggs on the rock with a stick next.
>>200741437Cole is Dunk if Dunk wasn't smart enough to realize he is not very smart.
>>200741025theres a picture of olivia cooke with her legs crossed and the delicious thick yams on this delicate english rose make my dick start leaking
>>200741433Pajeets take kayfabe very seriously.
>>200741233The hobbyhorse subtype.
>>200741358Women love ramsay.
>>200741366half auntso it would be as if fucking a 1st cousin genetically, something not really a targaryen-exclusive thing
Is there ANY excuse for being an Alicent apologist anymore?
When is Otto gonna reappear?
>>200741534>half auntAnon I sincerely hope your aunts and uncles are only half.
>>200741543alicent gave birth to trueborn children and rhaenyra is a raging whore who cant keep her legs closed when a breeze passes by.
>>200741495that would be kino
>>200741566well too late to delete that post now i guess!
>>200741543I never was, I am a Aegon supporter not an Allicent supporter
>>200741556Hopefully soon, the council scenes have somehow become even more boring. Why does every episode need people sitting around tables solemnly saying silly fantasy words and places. The actors clearly just aren't up to this material, can't make it seem important
>>200741534What do you mean half auntShe's Rhaegar's sister and he's Rhaegar's sonIs Dany from a different woman than Rhaegar?
>>200741556He'll come back to the Redkeep, riding on a wave of rats that are going to eat anything in their way.>THE RATCATCHERS AEGON!, THEY WERE THE ONLY ONES KEEPING MY POWER IN CHECK!.
>>200741358i can't help but find the extreme pettiness of cole to be hilarious. it's always fun to watch the next thing blow up in his face
>>200741358I hate women so much its unreal
It's honestly sad we are only going to get one major Sunfyre appearance before he gets mangled.
Rhaenyra is literally just cersei that hides her bloodlust with passive aggressiveness and feigned innocence
>>200741298There was always going to be a civil war because Viserys remarried, had a male and refused to name him heir. It's that simple. Viserys was one of the worst Targ Kings of all time.
>>200741402Westerlands, Oldtown and Stormlands hold 90% of the Seven Kingdoms' GDP
>>200741534anon whats a 'full aunt'??
>>200741445Get a condom and learn to accept a breakup, nonce
>>200741628Butcher's Ball is going to be great.
>>200741566how the fuck can an aunt or uncle be half
Glad to see King's Landing security is so shit that people can just land in an out of the city.
>>200741653Show Rahenyra is kind of a good lass desu, except that one servant she killed
>>200741674Brazilian spotted.
Sometimes I feel like I'm watching a different show than got/hotdCole is supremely boring and his actor is easily the weakest of the main cast. Nothing he says is convincing, and his weak chin constantly takes me out whenever I'm supposed to treat him like a serious figure. He looks ridiculous
>>200741685Well we saw that during got as well.
>>200741175jej
>>200741192Prostitutes don't like black guys
>>200741086There is no ourguy in this show, because that type of character isn't something the writers like. Aegon could have been, Daemon could have been, but they've been warped into a tool for the showrunners' agendas (Daemon is a malewife whose only purpose is to do all of Rhaenyra's evil shit instead of her)
>>200741659
>>200741710Nobody likes cole, not even here
>>200741678They only have (roughly) half your blood because they are only related to your mother or your father?
>>200741710Seething over Criston Cole is a sign of weakness.
>>200741402realistically the westerlands and the reach would have a combined population 10 or even 20x higher than the north and the vale. the 5th or 6th biggest city on the river mander would still be bigger than the biggest city in the north.
>>200741616I think most actors are good, the main issue is that the writers are not letting them shine. I know most of the councilmen's names only because I've read the book, otherwise the only one I could recognize is Jason Lannister, and that's only because he's a redhead
>>200741757We have a bunch of fags pretending he wasn't rejected and he is actually le based incel monk warrior and he was raped, twice.
>>200741712>Well we saw that during got as well.1. GOT sucked2. Arya got out of King's Landing using the Knight's watch3. Sansa got out of King's Landing before it was shut down.
>>200741710>He looks ridiculousthat's the point
>>200741710Everyone hates Cole, some just pretend to like him because they hate Rhaenyra.
>>200741755Not my Stannis the Mannis.
>>200741628He's the definition of failing-upwards. Pulling epic PRANKS on Rhaenyra 24/7
>>200741757women like Cole because he is attractive
>>200741755not cannonchad-Stannis will defeat the forces of Bolton on the lake, then he will unite all the northern lords and march south
>>200741710It's just wishful thinking over what Cole could've been and could've represented. Show Cole has nothing to do with that at this point.
>>200741784Anon its just shitposting
>>200741659>It is lawThere were literally no written laws of succession, Stannis was just spewing bullshit
Hnnng.
>>200741519These people are genuinely more sane than the ones at a horse show. I hated it as a kid and teenager.
>>200741767Rhaenyra has more lords on her side, Aegon has more of the populous on his side.
>>200741659Aegon didn't want to rule, Aemond was a psychotic idiot and without Alicent and Otto being powerhungry assholes there would have been no coup, so no.
>>200740999aegon will rape helaena since he has no heirs left
>>200741760I can't comprehend a family tree where an uncle or aunt is related to both and it angers my autism
>>200741253best scene in the Season right there
>>200741685Honestly that's pretty realistic. Do you expect pseudo-medieval society to have an advanced anti-immigration program? Unless the town is being sieged, getting into it should be trivial
>>200741819Viserys dad had literally just established the precedent of women getting passed over for the throne with full consensus of the lords
>>200741802I can't get over how silly this plan was.
>book Aegon and Helena raged and raged after Jaehaerys' death>show Aegon parties like nothing happened, Helena goes "bro it's just a baby they die all the time xd"reminder that everything from Fire & Blood that paints the greens non-negatively is propaganda
>>200741835>Ryan Condal (left) adapting Fire & Blood (right)
>>200741821Helena likes sewing.
Reminder Luke was depicted with blonde white hair in season 5 GOT dvd.
>>200741402This map misses a lot of houses that don't have known locations within the Reach but it omits some we do know of.House Mullendore is just east of Oldtown and they too rebelled for the blacks along with Merryweather, Footly, Oakhearts and the Shield Islands. The Redwyns were black but waited out for who won the Battle of the Honeywine. In the Stormlands, Fell and Buckler were executed for defending Rhaenyra in court. We know where these houses are.For the Greens, Fossoway's location is known along with House Vance of Atranta. If we knew where all the houses were based the Reach would be a patchwork of black and green, and Arnold's imprisonment within the sky cells is the only reason the Vale didn't go to war until after the Dance was over.
>>200741824Aye. Aegon has the richest cities at his command and a higher population under his rule. King's landing, Lannisport, Oldtown... it reminds me of the Bolsheviks during the Russian civil war. Rhaenyra might have the most land, but Aegon has the most important land and territories where it counts.
>>200741884Haleana never raged thoShe was completely broken
>>200740971go blackfyres!
>>200741837I'm sure there is some way to work it to not be incest, my point though was that in general most aunts and uncles would really only be 'half'.
>>200741543she was loyal to viserys
>>200741819>There were literally no written laws of succession, Stannis was just spewing bullshitThere is both written and unwritten law. Fucking hell are you stupid?
>>200741884wasn't it raged and drank? he raged last episode and drank this time
>>200741884isnt Show Helena not showing remorse anymore a sign she's losing it?
>>200741802>fresh cut>manifesto written>weapons readywhere's the nearest school
Puppet master Larys is going to tell Aegon that people as whispering that his cock doesn't work after Rooks Rest, this is what will make him rape Haelena to prove it wrong.
>>200741884>book Aegon and Helena raged and raged after Jaehaerys' deathKeep in mind, Aegon is raging WHILE still having a second son. In the show, he has no heir atm.And Helena goes full mute for the rest of her life, she never speaks again.
>>200741233horse girls rule
>>200741884>3 fucking scenes of Rhaenyra mourning over luce >Helaena gets a 10 second conversation with Alicent and then gets a horrible funeral that’s interrupted by other scenesEven the brothers had a better funeral. Condall doesn’t want people to feel sympathy for her.
The only based thing this episode was the Orthodox chant in the sept.
>>200741807This but unironically
>>200741962Wait, does he actually wear the brooch?
>>200741856There's no such thing as a precedent in an absolute monarchy in which the king has complete control over jurisdiction (I know absolute monarchy was not part of our medieval world, but in this fictional one it is, since the Targaryen has a monopoly on the fsntasy equivalent of anuclear bomb arsenal) . Westeros had no constitution.That comment by Stannis simply showcased a lack of historical insight.
>>200741821Is sex with an autistic woman any good?
aaagggghhhhhhh
>>200741904Have you actually memorized all this info, or did you have to check on it before writing this post?
>>200742034Ask Aegon
>>200742009yes of course. he NEEDS people to know
>>200741790Is it? He seems to command respect from everyone, even those that might otherwise resent his meteoric rise.
>>200741962is he de-aging?
>>200741659in universe: Baratheons were greens so they would tell the story like thatout of universe: George changed what the Dance was supposed to have been like in F&B
>>200742009He wears the Hand's chain
>>200742009He wears the hand gorget.
>After the Storming of the Dragonpit and Rhaenyra's flight, the Shepherd and his mob ruled much of the city from the ruins of the Dragonpit. This period was dubbed the Moon of the Three Kings by maesters even though the Shepherd never claimed kingship, styling himself a simple son of the Seven. He preached every night among the heads of the five slain dragons, which were set up on posts by his followers.I fucking love it when the smallfolk manage to shit on the incest targbabs
>>200742014>absolute monarchyIt's not an absolute monarchy fag, vassal rights are respected until Aerys and he gets his whole house dethroned
>>200741904its just a practical side effect of the fact that george has the north, vale and riverlands fleshed out way more than he does the south. realistically, if westeros was real, holding control over the south, the west, and the stormlands, would grant you the ability to raise an army 10x bigger than anything the north could muster.
>>200742014
>>200741903why did he appear there?
>>200742046
>>200741938No such thing as unwritten law under an absolute monarch, sorry. At best you can talk about customs, and wether they must be followed will be a matter left to the discretion of the king.
>People should obey their liege lord... whatever his conditionWas he thinking of Viserys here?
>>200742073i'm convinced they are going to paint this guy as pure evil, seeing that show rhaenyra is a really good person
>>200741819Stannis is a well know law aficionado and it shows us the accepted history of the dance centuries later. >>200741832And Rhenerya would has slipped and impaled herself on the Iron throne chasing a Lemon cake.
>>200741984>i forgive youkek Condal & Hess really went hard for "the way B&C turned out is actually the fault of the Greens" route it's hilarious
>>200741460>I dont know why they think their strength is characters, because it is clearly not.Hollywood feminism means that even female villains aren't really evil and only do bad things because the men around them forced them to do it, with the result that Rhaenyra, Alicent and even Mysaria, the chick who was Mistress of Whispers for Daemon, do nothing but complain about men."According to Mushroom, Mysaria stopped Rhaenyra from having Queen Alicent Hightower's tongue ripped out, instead proposing that the Dowager Queen and Queen Helaena Targaryen to be taken to a certain brothel so they would be forcibly impregnated with bastard offspring."
>>200742092>absolute monarchYou do not understand what that term means
>>200742074It 100% is an absolute monarchy in which the Targaryen pretend the vassals have some saying in the matter, so that they don't have to burn their cities every 5 minutes.
>>200742092this is just flat out false. half of the things King Charles does aren't written down anywhere, its just traditions stacked up over a thousand years. if he were to stop doing any of these things or change the way its done, it would rightly be seen as an attack on the uncodified constitution of the united kingdom.
>>200742062maybe he used to command respect but not so much anymore.the council doesn't take him seriously especially compared to Ottothe new kingsguards are nepo hires and don't give a fuck about him other than he's the boss
>>200742108He'll be High Sparrow 2.0, or 0.5 beta if you see it that way.
>>200742142>pretendedSo it wasn't and you are arbitrarily deciding it was
They try so hard to picture the blacks as the good guys who want no bloodshed, it's getting harder to watch their scenes. Specially those involving the remaining Strong boy and her wife and sister in law.
>>200741906>Russian civil war.So Harrenhale is Odessa?
I'LL HAVE NO SONGS ABOUT HOW BRAVE YOU DIED, _____________
>>200741938see pic related in response to "there's been no queen"
>>200742014At that point, I don't think George had written out what happened in the Dance. Also Stannis is a firm believer agnatic-cognatic succession most likely, and since Viserys failed to change the succession laws, he saw Rhaenyra as illegimiate. Also, historically in ASOIAF, Aegon II is seen as the legimitiate King, and Rhaenyra isn't included in the line.
>>200742116>Stannis is a well know law aficionado and it shows us the accepted history of the dance centuries laterI'm not saying he wasn't, I'm just saying that he was a shoddy historian. Anyone making these kind of mistakes in our world would be laughed out the room (like, dunno, applying the current German constitution to judge wether Otto Von Bismarck's actions were legitimate: just downright retarded).
>>200742122>"According to Mushroom, Mysaria stopped Rhaenyra from having Queen Alicent Hightower's tongue ripped out, instead proposing that the Dowager Queen and Queen Helaena Targaryen to be taken to a certain brothel so they would be forcibly impregnated with bastard offspring."Haha imagine if someone made a comic or animation of this? Haha that would be crazy haha...
>>200742046aagghh...
>>200742193and Lord Strong was the master of laws who understood that precedent and tradition amount to a sort of uncodified law
>>200742122Even ignoring the women there aren't even compelling male villains in the show
>>200742116>And Rhenerya would has slipped and impaled herself on the Iron throne Jace would make a better king anyway.
>>200742122Make it true Ryan Condom
>>200742182They all want war, only Rhaenyra and Rhaenys are cockblocking everyone.
>>200740971Why they keep teleporting around, feels like late GoT all over again. The pacing makes it feel like the whole world is the size of a county.
2 minutes of something happening3 hours of nothing happening
is there a chart of the full targaryen family tree at the time of the Dance? including the marriage connections like hightowers, velaryons, arryns, etc
>sister in law thinks im misogynistic for not liking Rhaenyra
>>200742219Which can all change as new events and precedents are created. He didn't claim that there was some ironclad law and Viserys was doing something "illegal", just that wtf, there's never been a queen.
This sounds like schizo shit but to me this show really feels like the writers trying to "correct the record" on Rhaenyra, like that's their primary motivation for the story. Blood & Cheese was framed as a mistake that only happened because of Green incompetence, and afterwards Rhaenyra practically looks at the camera and says "i would never do this, are you insane?" and starts playing with her kids if to prove her point. Now in the promo for episode 4 she says "I would never start this kind of war simply over a crown" and I can practically feel the showrunner calling me a chud for ever thinking Rhaenyra was driven by ambition or lust for power, she is more noble than that!!Once you start looking for this kind of logic in the show you realize it's written all over it and permeates everything. Like the goal of HOTD is to go down a list of everything book Rhaenyra was infamous for, and refuting each of those points one by one.
STOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHTIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING
>>200742264Who teleports in this ep?
>>200742268the cock was around for 3 seconds
>>200741802>drop your claim to the throne and live with me in a shithole pentos apartment>nha>ok..destroys entire house
>>200742193You aren't wrong, but you are misinterpreting the situation.Nobody on team green has ever said a women can't be Queen, what is in dispute is if a female in the line can surpass a male.
>>200742287no matter what costume they put Emma in, she looks hotter than if she dressed herself.
>>200742131Tell me why, then. Enlighten me>>200742152You're not accounting for the fact that this hypothetical king breaking costumes has the fantasy equivalent of a nuclear arsenal. With unwritten law, all that is left as a possible bulwark against absolute power is the strenght of the vassals. But in the case of hotd, they don't actually possess that strenght, since the Targaryen can just raze them back to the stone age.>>200742172I guess that if I let a 5yo decide what to eat for dinner, that's just me admitting that this 5yo has power over me, and that I depend on him. Give me a break.
>>200742122>instead proposing that the Dowager Queen and Queen Helaena Targaryen to be taken to a certain brothel so they would be forcibly impregnated with bastard offspring
>>200742291Rhaenyra
>>200742273yeah probably
>>200742283you're tho not a problem really but no need to lie here
>Aegon "I'm gonna cry for two seconds over my dead heir and than act like nothing ever happened and go to a brothel"Bravo CONdal
>>200742287>Mashallah sister we need to stop LE WAR #FreeDragonstone
>>200742286Rhaenyra didn't do it in the book and Daemon's orders went through Mysaria to B&C so something like him saying a son for a son and that ending up being Jaehaerys is perfectly plausible, the show doesn't change the fact that Daemon did it and B&C thought Jaehaerys' head counted for Daemon to pay them.
>>200742201The issue is that there were no succession laws, only customs which were left at the discretion of the king. I agree with the rest of your point: Stannis is just parroting the mainstream interpretation of that conflict. What I'm saying is that that interpretation is just bad Westerosi history.
>>200742283rape her
>>200742350people drink and get fucked up to cope with loss. How is this shocking?
>>200742349She fucked up by not having legitimate children. There's no reason she couldn't sucked on laenors BBC and inserted the cum into her whore vagina now and then
>>200742325>Tell me why, then. Enlighten meBecause westeros is a feudal monarchy that is organized, taxed and ruled like a feudal monarchy, duh
>>200742211I’ll never understand how anyone can jerk it to disgusting hobos raping someone like Helaena but whatever.
>>200742396>people drink and get fucked up to cope with loss. How is this shocking?Yes, but they don't act all happy and smiley about it.
>>200742306I think people miss the nuance of that scene.>Rhae Rhae bitches for years in front of Cole that she despises responsibility and having to marry out of duty, wants love and freedom>she uses him as a sexual rebound after Daemon ditches her>he offers her what she seems to want, a chance to run away and marry for love, free of the responsibility and duties she claims to hate>she goes "uhhh this is awkward but i was kinda exaggerating all these years, i like being royalty and having power i can't come with you, you can keep being my dildo though">Cole gets mad at this because not only did she make him break his oath and lied to him all those years, but then spat on his honor afterwardsFrankly even the writers forgot about this scene, or the nuances in it were accidental.
>>200742316I mean the actual dispute wasn't nerd arguments over what law is, it was greens taking power and killing those who disagreed. Plenty of lords sided with Rhaenyra just fine.
>>200742182>They try so hard to picture the blacks as the good guys who want no bloodshedI'm not sure why they went for it because it makes them incredibly boring and less interesting characters. I'd love a fat bitter warpath Rhaenyra and clearly evil Daemon. I don't believe that F&B reader black supporters actually liked the black changes all that much, just show watcher npc's.
>>200742364In the tv series it makes no sense that Mysaria directed Daemon to the Red Keep. Why not kill Aemond in the brothel, where he's unguarded and unarmed?
He's only been in one episode and I already really like Gwayne Hightower. I hope he doesn't die too early
>>200741222ser gwayne is my new smugfu
>>200742392only way you could get laid, i'd wager
>>200742155>maybe he used to command respect but not so much anymore.>the council doesn't take him seriously especially compared to OttoWhat pushback has he gotten from the council since being named hand?>the new kingsguards are nepo hires and don't give a fuck about him other than he's the bossEven if they are nepo hires and don't give a fuck about him they seem to follow his orders and go along with his suicidal plans. Theres no internal pushback to him
>>200742316Honestly, I seriously wish the greens were written better and actually gave them stronger convictions like they have in the book. This is the issue when they make Rhaenyra a 'super-nice person' who is sooooo 'intelligent' and 'wise.' Monke Rhaenyra feels like a completely different character to older-Rhaenyra.Monke was impulsive, somewhat spoiled, bitchy and irritable, you could see why people would oppose her. Now, adult Rhaenyra is seen as this beacon of perfection and competence who is a wonderful mother and is very polite.
Only homosexuality can save Cole's character
>>200742201The Great Council picking Viserys over Rhaenys solidifies that a distant male should be heir over a direct female descendant of the king. Its really that simple.
>>200742396He wasn't acting like a grieving person trying to distract himself with booze or debauchery, it looks different. He was just acting like a cocky fratboy.
4 episodes of nothing. I feel stupid having waited for so long.The previews have a smart way of editing, fooling you into thinking the next ep is going to be action packed.I get the slow pace, but at least make it interesting. In Thrones, when there was no action, at least the dialogues were clever and interesting, until the season where Jon resurrects
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>>200742420they do though. people in shock do wacky shit
>>200742440next season if they dont change it
>>200742339The distances on the maps are actually quite ridiculous. It would take weeks to get anywhere. Even dragonrides between major locations would take days.
>>200742414That's just a logistical expediency. Westeros is not ruled like that because the Targaryen lack the power to do otherwise, it's just a cozy way of keeping the lords at bay without having to raze their lands every 5 seconds (something that the Targaryen are perfectly capable of doing, unlike our real world Medieval kings).
>>200741086i dont know anymore desu
>>200742454Not even the greens believe in their own cause (except Aegon but he's canonically stupid). What are the writers thinking.
>>200742439Yeah, in the book it's also stupid that Daemon has contacts in KL and doesn't simply get his agents to wait for an opportunity to kill Aegon or Aemond.
>>200742454>Monke Rhaenyra feels like a completely different character to older-Rhaenyra.Young Rhae was so much better and i say that as as greenfag. She was the quintessential Targaryen in all the ways that matter, both good and bad. Adult Rhae is some skinwalker copycat.
Larys was the one who moved the rocks separating Blackwood and Bracken land.
>let's cut away before we see burning millFuck you
That ending scene is the worst scene in GOT or HOTD. The traitor queen dressing like a nun and sneaking into King's Landing to have a chat with her biggest enemy? What the fuck?
>>200742447If said sister in law was a greenie instead I would suggest seducing her
>>200742404>She fucked up by not having legitimate childrenthis was ultimately the root cause of the dance. handing the reins of power to sex hungry teenagers is retarded. Jaeharys I knew this
I serve Oldtown
>>200742495>it's a feudal monarchy but it doesn't count because it could hypotethically not be!This is your argument, not a strawman, this is the actual summary of your point.Embarrassing.
>>200742339>show original scene has no regard for distancesNews at the hour of the owl.
>>200742506The greens' cause was always taking power for themselves.
>>200742533That probably saved them hundreds of thousands of dollars
>>200742491Westeros is like 5 times bigger than it should be, its just way too big to make sense
Twinbowl was really the best thing to happen this season so far.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXEob7CupPY&ab_channel=ScenesClips
>>200742539It wasn't, hell in one of the earlier versions George wrote for the dance Rhaenyra had married Harwin and they were perfectly legitimate. No one cared about muh bastards anyway except people who had something to gain from it.
>>200742602if they were married it wouldnt be a problem. but they weren't, so it is.
>>200742491>>200742590Yeah it's a gengis khan tier empire but is treated like a big kingdom
>>200742540>Clean streets>Center of knowledge and faithBest city
>>200742635Again in one version it still caused the Dance.
>>200742528Agreed. Monke was perfect and a better character. You could see her capability. Her leadership, her fire, her strength and her bravery. But you could also see her childishness, impulsiveness and bitchiness. It made her a more complex character that one could argue would make both a good and bad monarch. This current Rhaenyra is too 'perfect.'Adult Rhaenyra is never impulsive, always very cautious. She is always preferring peace over war, she always watches her words and acts with utmost maturity.
>>200742553If you can't grasp why a monopoly of fucking dragons might result in this pseudo-medieval society not being w carbon copy of actual medieval societies, then you're hopeless. Could Louis the Pious hop up on a fucking dragon and raze Rome to the ground 3 hours later, if he wanted? There you go, now you can grasp the main difference between ours and Westeros medieval political system
>>200742602>those who had something to gain from itand it was a legitimate argument. the balance of power is incredibly delicate, and when u add reason to doubt, it creates wars
>>200742092>absolute monarchI feel like the people who say this don't remember the early episodes of S1. Viserys was anything but an absolute monarch. Corlys and Daemon rebel against the crown by starting an open war without permission and Lyonel openly tells the king that Corlys has a right to feel scorned and it'd be foolish to get on his bad side due to his wealth and naval power. The king has to remarry simply because the nobility pressures him into it. The stag Viserys kills during the hunt is literally a metaphor for what's happening to him.
>>200742602>George wrote for the dance Rhaenyra had married Harwin and they were perfectly legitimate.In the books, the kids are legitimately Laenor's
>>200742561Yeah that'd be fine and all if every green member wasn't thinking that Aegon shouldn't have been crowned when it was their idea to begin with.
>>200742506They are thinking "people were mad we din't make Daenerys perfect so we won't make the same mistake again". Literally.
>>200742663The only people who weaponized it were the people doing a coup anyway.
>>200741167What are these pics? Where do they come from?
This shit feels like soap opera.The Rhaegera travelled all way to King's Landing just to picker with Alicent or something? What? It just makes no fucking sense. What a stupid plot.
>>200742672That's just Vyseris trying to be a conciliating figure. He's moved by his moral sense, rather than actual military costraints.
talking to blackfags make me think I'm living in a completely different universe
>>200741086FOR YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
>>200742689>They are thinking "people were mad we din't make Daenerys perfect so we won't make the same mistake again". Literally.People were mad Daenerys was written so stupidly to burn down an entire city for no fucking reason what so ever.
>>200742678Yes but he had different versions of the Dance before that, you can look it up.
>>200741507>clitty leakage from some boring hagDo better incel.
To be honest. Ser Symon Strong being a cynical old fart who just wants to enjoy his supper in peace is kind of great.Quintessential Riverlord who just wants to eat his peasporridge and judge the concerns of smallfolk.>it's a big chair, made of swordsDaemons frustration at being confronted with such a provincial dullard is also entertaining. Gonna be fun seeing Aemond interact with that crowd.
>>200742720if only you could see the irony.
>>200742722But they le killed Missandei!
>>200742658I can perfectly grasp it, but it wasn't an absolute monarchy at allAt best you can say the laws were looser in interpretation since targ monarchs are more powerful than your average ruler, but the claim they have absolute power is nonsenseThey couldn't even conquer dorne.The dragons belong to different people, not the king alone, like, the greens have dragons too, the biggest one in fact.Hell Velaryons can be dragonriders too so they don't even have a complete monopoly
>>200742730>Yes but he had different versions of the Dance before that, you can look it up.God I hope we can get adaptions of those versions
>>200742691Rhaenyras grandfather literally disinherited his children for being whores. Rhaenyra was careless having bastard kids
>>200742685They want to take power but if they do they can't NOT make Aegon king because he's Alicent's firstborn. So they figure they'll put up with him and use him as a puppet.
>>200742739>Gonna be fun seeing Aemond interact with that crowd.Well that's one way to put it lmao
>>200742672That's not the definition of an absolute-monarch. An absolute monarchy is when there are no legal checks on the monarch's power. Whilst Westeros is very decentralised, there is no 'constitution' that the King must follow. The king's authority is supreme.
>>200742435>Dear brother. I had hoped you were dead-ACK
>>200742758She was also forced to marry a guy who refused to fuck women so she couldn't get heirs otherwise.
>>200741819Medieval law was more of a de-facto vibe situation in many cases. I know your legalistic Jewish rotten American brain can’t really understand this, but laws used to be simply understood by people.It’s not untill the early modern era that laws began to become very codified.
>>200742699Scroll down a bit:https://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=daenerys_targaryen&pid=42
>>200742722>>200742745It was not well written but it was obvious Daenerys was always supposed to go mad. They teased it a lot in the beginning. They just din't balance it properly.
>>200742783>The king's authority is supreme.
>>200742708I wish it felt more like a soap opera desu. More dramatic betrayals, more pretty people under the perfect lighting, more nudity+illicit sex, more dragons
>>200742739>Daemons frustration at being confronted with such a provincial dullard is also entertainingYou are reading this wrong, Daemon is frustrated at being confronted with his own hubris and stupidity, and is forced to concede thousands are about to die so his family can get an iron chair.Strong is completely in the right, it's just senseless violence for lust for power and revenge.
>>200742708I just can't get my head around the fact that Alicent was set on war but still didn't just have her men take Rhaenyra then and there. Alicent never made any promises of safe conduct and letting Rhaenyra go she must know she's quite possibly condemning her sons to violent deaths not to mention all the smallfolk. WTF.
>>200742783Westeros is a feudal monarchy, not a "l'Etat c'est moi" absolute monarchy.
>>200742796then that shouldve been acknowledged immediately instead of petty games of pride. fucking royals...
Eggs confirmed to be Daenerys's .
>>200742796>She was also forced to marry a guy who refused to fuck womenLaneor's comments indicate he did fuck a women and probably even her. This is why I think at least one or two of her kids in the books is legit Laneor's.
WHY IS EVERY EPISODE SO FUCKING DARKAAAAAGGGHHHH
Greenchads are making a comeback this season. I think blood and cheese turned off a lot of normies. I can see us rising in the polls
>>200741086>So who's /ourguy/ this season?Pic related obviously.>out-chads everyone with only 2 minutes of screentime
>>200742848Not in the actual canon.
>>200742845>One objection was raised: Laenor Velaryon was now nineteen years of age, yet had never shown any interest in women. Instead he surrounded himself with handsome squires of his own age, and was said to prefer their company. But Grand Maester Mellos dismissed this concern out of hand. “What of it?” he said. “I do not like the taste of fish, but when fish is served, I eat it.” Thus was the match decided.>King and council had neglected to consult the princess, however, and Rhaenyra proved to be very much her father’s daughter, with her own notions about whom she wished to wed. The princess knew much and more about Laenor Velaryon, and had no wish to be his bride. “My half-brothers would be more to his taste,” she told the king. (The princess always took care to refer to Queen Alicent’s sons as half-brothers, never as brothers.) And though His Grace reasoned with her, pleaded with her, shouted at her, and called her an ungrateful daughter, no words of his could budge her…until the king brought up the question of succession. What a king had done, a king could undo, Viserys pointed out. She would wed as he commanded, or he would make her half-brother Aegon his heir in place of her.
>>200741164See Chud
>>200742816You misunderstand completely. Even the European absolute monarch's of old couldn't confess to being satanists, say FUCK JESUS and piss on a priest without getting fucked over by their followers. But under the rule of law, they were absolutely supreme, but they would be fools to go against 'tradition' as that would incite rebellions.
>>200742048From memory but I double checked if I missed any quickly and I only forgot about Fossoway being pro green and having a location on at least one map. They don't call me loretist for nothing lol. Tbh I don't recall anyone else in these threads mentioning Redwyn being pro black but I vaguely remember Preston mentioning it in one of his videos. Well they don't call me loretist for nothing>>200742079Well they can and do field much more men, it's just not 10x unless you talk about their productivity in specialised labour like ship building.
>>200742092>absolute monarch RETARD ALERT RETARD ALERT RETARD ALERTNot even a concept that existed in medieval times. (And yes you don’t have to be pedantic, I’m aware asoiaf isn’t in our medieval times)
>>200742848What? Didn't Alyssa Farman sell those eggs already to someone in Pentos? That was a century ago.
>>200742852It's possible, we'll just never know. Really it's horrific bad luck that Alicent gets nothing but silver-haired children and Rhaenyra nothing but dark-haired ones from similar pairings.
>>200742839Alicent is a gud gurl who would not get her fren killedRahenyra will repay her by selling her into slavery in a brothel, with her daughter to bootFucking black cunts, give a finger, they take your whole arm
>>200742873a quick fix instead of a long term solution. Viserys in all his kindness was a fool
>>200742092Laws started to be codified properly (keyword being properly) under Napoleon
>>200742753>At best you can say the laws were looser in interpretation since targ monarchs are more powerful than your average ruler, That's an understatement. One of their own is enough to destroy 10 cities in a week.>but the claim they have absolute power is nonsenseIf they don't, then there has never been an absolute monarch in human history.>They couldn't even conquer dorne.So? I'm talking about the power in their domains. Dorne was just a bitch to conquer because they would go guerrilla and not give a fuck about getting blown back into the stone age every 2 weeks. The cons outweighed the pros. It is still the case that Dorne is simply not a threat to them, they're completely outclassed military-wise.
>>200742944Still not as stupid as this:>The governance of the realm was a daunting task; the king needed a strong, capable Hand to shoulder some of his burdens. Briefly he considered sending for Princess Rhaenyra. Who better to rule with him than the daughter he meant to succeed him on the Iron Throne? But that would have meant bringing the princess and her sons back to King’s Landing, where more conflict with the queen and her own brood would have been inevitable. He considered his brother as well, until he recalled Prince Daemon’s previous stints on the small council. Grand Maester Mellos suggested bringing in some younger man, and put forward several names, but His Grace chose familiarity, and recalled to court Ser Otto Hightower, the queen’s father, who had filled the office before for both Viserys and the Old King.
>>200742840They can be both feudal and absolute. Pic related is the Kingdom of France, a famously feudal Monarchy that was still absolute.
>>200742884Many did essentially that and got excommunicated, or bribed the fuck out of some cardinals, or invented their own church once protestantism took. The extent to which a king was subservient in this regard was a hotly exercised topic back in the day.
i hate retarded faggots who cry about there not being le epic avengers fight scene every 10 minutes
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>>200742802You have no idea what you're talking about, there is clear continuity between Roman and Carolingian law. You're probably thinking about ancient Germans.
Reminder Viserys only named Rhanery heir over some because of some prophecy that the end of the world would happen in his life time.
>>200742870He does no fighting in the book zero, just attempts to flex on the Lads because he's clearly feels like a fag. He cleans up at the end like a good janny and does it for free. Reddit norf character.
>>200742958Anon the army is not even centralized, it's owned by every petty lordIt stands to reason law is treated the same way, so feudallyI don't get what you are not understanding.
>>200742984Half this episode was just 2 women talking about nothing of importance. Meanwhile the battle of the mill was entirely off-screen. The 20 seconds we got of the preamble was ten times more interesting than the entire ending scene.
>>200742984As opposed to what? Scenes of nameless old people gathered around a table? Scenes of royalty in mourning?
>>200742969i think making rhaenyra hand wouldve been a great compromise initially
>>200742982True. Now imagine if Louis the Pious had a giant lizard capable of destroying Rome if he felt like doing so.
>>200742268And normally you'd complain and wish for more things to happen, but everytime something happens it's so retarded you wish it hadn't. Stunning any of you are here still putting up with this slop rather than waiting for a highlight reel of the battle scenes on yt
>>200743036>>200743041Yes. How did you people even survive got s1?
Can we get more daemon in this fucking show ? The "your grace" line with simon strong was great, the way he delivered it
>>200743033Your argument is so flawed. Like, you clearly don't know how actual absolute monarchies worked (the army was not centralized? Damn, I must have missed that Louis XIV reigned after the French Revolution), and since you don't know the basics, you're also incapable of grasping the differences between our world and Westeros (namely, rhe difference of power granted by dragons, which makes absolute monarchy possible even in pseudo-medieval times).
>>200743041>>200743036interesting characters talking is far more interesting than watching someone introduced in that episode wack someone else introduced that episode with a grey stick
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>>200742996are they going out of their way to not say Grover and Elmo Tully in the same sentence?
>>200742848Proofs?
>>200743004Carolingians were a flicker of light in the dark ages, and even then, there were many many implicit laws within the realm that weren’t necessarily codified. Not sure what you’re arguing, this is literally how medieval shit worked. I’m obviously not making the claim there were no written laws anywhere ever for anything.But succession ironically was one of the biggest “unwritten” traditions in many monarchies and the law was what was the precedent the previous kings did before, and even if it was unwritten you best believe your vassals took the precedent and TRADITION as they took written legal law codes
>>200741067>Obviously kings can't just name anyone they want as heir and disregard the laws of successionJaehaerys disinherited Rhaenys even though she's the daughter of his first son and no one cared except the queen.
>>200742792uh based
>>200741869how? it very nearly worked. the war was seconds away from ending right there.
>>200742708They whutewashed the dark comedy soap opera elements GRRM put in but then doubled back and put in a bunch of really boring soap opera elements like how Alicent and Rhaenyra secretly want to fuck and it doesn't make any sense.
>>200743792Daemon and Jace and Baela would have kept going, without Rhaenyra stopping them from fighting.
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>>200741358Yes anon, people hate realistic/grounded villains they can relate to more than cartoonish villains they only gain spectacle from. That's why Peggy Hill is the most despised character in cartoon history. She's a very typical chauvinistic middle aged woman everyone has dealt with at some time or another. Most women have dealt with an ex that won't let her live down being a THOT.
>>200743934not so easy to raise an army without a queen
>>200744093Jace and Daemon did most of that anyway
>>200744277in the queen's name
>>200742807>obviousWell that’s your perception.
>>200741086Otto. Always has been.
High Fantasy has always been for men.HOD is made for women and faggots and mudsharks.
