Thread for the discussion of arthouse and classic cinema.The best director of the 21st century edition>/film/ chartshttps://mega.nz/folder/87xyiJjZ#3B2eXe2lmN2KbFNNEagggQ>/film/ directors directoryhttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qgdYsMPAaFWrAa_7EHLpXqpOHLaDLmytM9wJ5nhGtqs>/film/ literaturehttps://mega.nz/folder/XCokCRpR#tlesB0J_7jhaEWZVJqVzlA>but anon, where do I find these films?https://rentry.org/filmlinkshttps://rentry.org/kinolinks>script to make 3x3 webmshttps://textdoc.co/D5QNYIX2avmsqi49Previous: >>200756852
>>200816013Who is this dude?
>>200816025>>200816058mcdonalds arthouse pandering to westerners.
>>200816013>The best director of the 21st century editionCan't agree with that. Not even close.Il Dono - 3/5Le Quattro Volte - 5/5Il Buco - 3.5/5>>200816061Michelangelo Frammartino
>>200816061Michelangelo Frammartino, the GOAT.
>>200816096
>>200816130>>200816136Thanks for the info
>>200816181>Balenciagaoof, Yang would never.
You can wear any brand you want, as long as it's Balenciaga.
>>200816096Only American movies can be McDonald's arthouse, newfag.
Define McDonald's arthouse for me guys
“Says nothing” = the new “pretentious”“Boring” = you’re just a filtered zoomer with ADD
>>200816495Movies and our reaction to movies are complex system (black boxes) like Neural Networks if you've been keeping up with the discourse about AI.Anger is a much more active emotion so it's usually easy to spot what in the movie is making you angry.Boring is much harder though because you had no reaction, the movie failed to register, none of it stood out to you. That's what boring means, and it's a very common reaction.
>>200816643Says nothing = meaningless, pretentious, obscure for no reasonBoring = boring, insipid, redundant
Who is the most boring and the most says nothing /film/ director ever?
>>200816874Terrance Malick, easy!
>>200816465American movies made for people who feel they are above Hollywood studio trash, but still refuse to watch anything that is too unlike what they're used to. McDonald's arthouse is usually highly influenced by Hollywood studio films when it comes to camerawork, editing, and narrative structure.Commonly produced or distributed by A24 / Neon / Annapurna Pictures.
>>200816465Everything Harmony Korine ever touched.
>>200816902Days of Heaven and Badlands were kino, though probably his best work is Dirty Harry's script doctoring
>>200817012can you be more specific? how is the camerawork of these films similar to hollywood?
>>200817012A24 is cool. McDonald's arthouse sounds racist to me
I see the supertriggered I hate murica sperg is off the meds again
>>200816663Neither tells me anything about the film, only about the viewer. TikTok tier critique.
>>200817199No one disputes that. The viewer can't tell you anything about the film because it completely failed to register.But this is a casual conversation about cinema not Cahiers de Cinema.
>>200816705No
>>200817250>because it completely failed to register.Likely due to a lack of braincells.
>>200817301Most likely due to the fact that the viewer didn't give a fuck about what was happening on the screen
>>200817301This. It’s saying more about the viewer than the art itself. The film isn’t boring, it’s the viewer who was bored. The film isn’t meaningless, it’s the viewer who failed to find any meaning.
>>200817250Are Cahiers de cinema worth it?
>>200817414Because of the lack of brain cells
>>200817450I don't know, I don't read them, just felt like namedropping something pretentious.
People who enjoy arthouse/classic cinema are smarter, more sophisticated, and generally just better human beings than those who don’t. I pity these subhuman worthless pieces of shit.
>>200817301>>200817423>>200817464Ok you've gleamed from this piece of casual conversation that said movie didn't register and you have formed the opinion that that's due to my lack of braincells. What should we do next? how does the flow of conversation continue?
>>200817484Because of your lack of brain cells
>>200817484I'm gonna read them just to bash them on /film/
>>200817518>People who enjoy arthouse/classic cinema are smarter, more sophisticated, and generally just better human beings than those who don’tthis is true unless you have a letterboxd account, in which case you're worse than the general population
>>200817464On the part of the viewer, no, on the part of the filmmaker, yes>>200817518I've had trouble, am I regressing?
>>200817518>People who enjoy arthouse/classic cinema are smarter, more sophisticated, and generally just better human beings than those who don’t.Exactly. It's sad that it had come to this but sophisticated taste has become my go to test to separate subhuman cattle from actual humans.It's just sad that actual humans are often insufferable to be around.
>>200817518>arthousecope for pretending you don't care about breaking even >classicproducts that are old enough that you can pretend like you're so above the industry
>>200817719Most classic cinema is not even arthouse
>>200817719Lots of “pretending” accusations being thrown around, projecting much?
>>200817763And that's a good thing!
>>200817763That post never makes the claim that they are.
>>200817792I never said it did
>>200817773Any director who labels themselves as arthouse is definitely a big fat phony.
>>200816061burn local
>>200817763This is something I’ve thought about, especially concerning posts in these threads.A film that doesn’t qualify as arthouse, if released today, would be off topic of course. But after 50 years, it would qualify as “classic” and therefore be on topicI think the threads should drop “classic” and focus solely on arthouse. These films are simply better than a mere “classic” piece of fucking shit, absolutely worthless garbage that nobody should waste their time watching or discussing.
>>200817790I would say, yes
>>200817876>But after 50 years, it would qualify as “classic” and therefore be on topicNo it will not culture and aesthetics are dead and have stopped evolving. Nothing after the 2000s will be a classic.
>>200817845Strawman fallacy- where did I claim filmmakers called themselves that, or discussed any who did? Also, name several filmmakers who actually do this. Again, you’re projecting. The only phony in here is yourself. You’re pathetic.
>>200817876I just call whatever I like arthouse because you can't prove it's not.
>>200817931>2000sThe 50s were the cutoff lil bro
>>200817876see here >>200817985this is something completely culturally and aesthetically alien to our modern sensibilities. You can't have that with anything made after 2000s>>200818010the adults are talking.
>>200817960>Strawman fallacyNo it's not. Also if you wanted a debate you should have defined your terms to start with.
>>200817985>An Arthouse film, also known as art cinema, is a type of movie that strays from the mainstream commercial path to create a unique artistic expression.Pretty easy to argue something like Avengers is not arthouse.
>>200817876If we dropped the "classic" tag these threads would be turbo dead. I don't even watch that much arthouse desu, but I can pretend that I do because I've watched almost all of Lynch's films (not arthouse btw, at least not for the most part).
>>200818053>No it’s notYou lost the debate, kid. You continue to humiliate yourself. Leave these threads forever.
>>200818055Is Poor Things arthouse?
>>200818055Avengers was new grounds for the industry actually.
>>200818111I didn’t watch the piece of shit, no clue.
>>200818137It strayed from the mainstream commercial path? I don’t think so you dumb fuck.
>>200818185>>200818137Raises good question. What definitive arthouse film made the most money?
>>200818153Is A Clockwork Orange / Lolita / Full Metal Jacket / The Shining arthouse?
>>200818231Parasite? Oldboy?
>>200818254I don’t watch Kubrick baby-tier trash, no clue.
>>200818185Yeah, nobody has ever attempted an ambitious crossover event in film before. It changed the industry. Others followed in it's path but it didn't take one that already existed.>>200818231Blair Witch Project
>>200818277Foreign does not equal arthouse
>>200818305>Blair Witch>arthouseMade with the intent of being as commercial as possible (I think) how is it arthouse? If it is arthouse, then Chainsaw Massacre is
>>200818277If those are arthouse, then so are Ridley Scott films.
>>200818305You are literally retarded
>>200818389Blade Runner is definitely arthouse dude.
>>200818335But are they arthouse? Is Drive My Car arthouse?
>>200817518sureyou have to realize tho that Resident Evil movie franchise and the films of M.J. Basset are as much arthouse as Goodbye Dragon Inn or Sicily! this is true enlightenment
>>200818377Original TCM is arthouse but it didn't make anywhere near as much as BWP.
>>200818428I thought it was grindhouse. Stalker / TCM double feature?
>>200818377>then Chainsaw Massacre isit literally is
>>200818416lmao
>>200818427Nah, you don't need to cover up your shame by calling them arthouse, they are kitsch and camp and I would concur that knowing to enjoy camp is a sign of enlightenment.
>>200818416Not for me>>200818427I'm with you
>>200818427>M.J. Bassetlol had to look her up. Dan WISHES he could ever come close to looking like her.
>>200818465Because? Cannibal Holocaust arthouse too?
Arthouse = I know it when I see it
>>200818421>But are they arthouse?Why would they be? They are shot and edited like big studio films (which they are in Korea) and the narratives pretty much follow the same basic structure as any Hollywood joint.>Is Drive My Car arthouse?Haven't seen it.
>>200818458Grindhouse just describes the kind of theater something might be shown in, it doesn't describe the films because it could mean anything from nazisploitation to spaghetti westerns to literally just normal japanese films to hong kong action to indie horror. TCM was shown in mainstream theaters.
Lmao at people who think they're superior for liking the "better" versions of one of the lowest art forms.If you don't read literature and listen to classical/jazz egularly you are actually the subhuman.
kek emmanuelle was like a running joke on peep show
>>200818660Kindness and humility are signs of enlightenment. so whatever you think is not the correct approach.
>>200818660>egularlyfucking retard trying to tell us anything, lmao
>>200818660>egularlyUnfortunate
>>200817141>how is the camerawork of these films similar to hollywood?Are you somehow not familiar with the visual language that Hollywood uses? Look at films by huge Hollywood directors like Tarantino, Nolan, PTA, Scott, Cameron, Fincher, Scorsese, Eastwood, etc. Obviously all of them have their own stylistic flourishes and working methods, but they all follow the same technical playbook. Why? Because no one's going to give you 50 million to make film if you shoot and edit them like Michelangelo Frammartino, Shuji Terayama, or Kenneth Anger.Read Bordwell's The Way Hollywood Tells It: Story and Style in Modern Movies if you want an in-depth look at how Hollywood films are constructed.
>>200818660Music is the lowest art form. Best fit for supporting superior mediums like theater and film.
>>200818639Where does arthouse begin? If Chainsaw Massacre is arthouse, this tag means nothing. It's kinda like saying "art rock" and thinking OK Computer
>>200818660Absolutely agree with you, HOWEVER>jazz
>>200818771OK Computer is art rock
>>200818771>"art rock" and thinking OK Computercorrect
>>200817518Bravo, should be in every OP from now on
>>200818421drive my car was utyer dogshit>>200817518actual smart people have challenging, engaging, worthwhile interests as vocations and hobbies... like scientists and such... film buffs are midwits not intelligent enough to engage in these difficult fields but too intelligent to be satisfied with dross... they want to be in the higher tier of intelligence but they cannot so they fabricate this make-believe critical field full of artifice and soft shit to pretend they havr some mastery over something technical.when reallyfilm is just horseshitall of itanyone who watches "/film/"is a big phony
>>200818787>>200818793Basic ass alternative rock, just as Chainsaw Massacre is just a b-movie proto-slasher
>>200818764Has a form of art been spit on and demeaned more than music?Reduced to a fucking background afterthought while you do something else, paid no attention.
>>200818881Drive My Car 9/10
>>200818771>If Chainsaw Massacre is arthouseNo, it's grindhouse.
>>200818771> this tag means nothingIt means exactly what it is. It’s a descriptor. It sounds like you’re attributing some kind of extra weight or prestige when it never meant that. Maybe you’re just one of those people who get tripped up by the word “art” and think it can only mean high art and comes with some sort of prestige
>>200818936That's my thought
>>200818915true. only by some randomness recently have i rediscovered the joy of just sitting down and listening to music, focusing on it and not being backgroundbeggars belief
>>200818881>actual smart people have challenging, engaging, worthwhile interests as vocations and hobbies... like scientists and suchThe smartest mathematician of all time is an anime fan. intellect != wisdom/refined tastes. So many 140 I.Q+ people out there who are very empty and out of touch with humanity.
>>200818764Yeah its the most abstract & requiring of imagination. Fucking useless in a culture of goddamn dopes who need to have a message written out for them and spoonfed to them by relatable models acting it out for them.Music > Imaging > Literature > Theatre > Dance > ….Movies.
>>200818967Nope, you're just trying to psychoanalyze me. What does arthouse mean, really? Just films that try to be different to the commercial movie industry? Then arthouse can be found in Hollywood, hell, even Tarantino is arthouse
>>200819002yeah because genuinely smart people are interested in genuinely technical fields. they dont need to make horseshit up to gratify themselves intellectually. they are satisfied and challenged in real true intellectual pursuits and leave watching film for its original purpose... superficial enjoyment
>>200818733>Are you somehow not familiar with the visual language that Hollywood uses? Looki was looking to see if you could coherently string together observations and comparisons based on fact. evidently you can't
>>200819027>Fucking useless in a culture of goddamn dopes who need to have a message written out for them and spoonfed to themFunnily enough music does that more than literally any other medium. Lyrics were a mistake.
>>200818896Slashers already existed prior to 1974
>>200819027Movies > Music > Paintings > Literature > Dance > TheatreTheatre the complete pleb's choicet, literature major
>>200819126First real slasher is usually recognized as Black Christmas
>>200819068I'm not going to waste my time by writing an essay for you about how Hollywood film language operates when you can read my recommended book to learn about it. Remain filtered, remain seething.
these threads are too fast now
>>200819162You mean Peeping Tom
>>200819066Why is he into anime though? if he has gold why is he searching in a pile of shit.Clearly he seeks spiritual connection but he doesn't have wisdom, he doesn't know where to seek it. Every great philosopher in art has stressed the impotence of art.
How do you guys stop yourself from jerking off to dead actresses? I feel like I’m losing my mind
>>200819171That's how they are supposed to be. My life's work.
>>200819068do you somehow refuse to believe many american "arthouse" films are strongly influenced by hollywood movies?
>>200819171No, we just happen to be having a “discussion” right now (although it’s filled with 40% bait, 40% shitposting, just a bit of genuine thought)
>>200819171yeh.. sometimes you occupy a general for months... years.. kinda slow, kinda comthen suddenly. iy blows up
>>200819164filtered by what exactly? your seething about a nebulous made up genre?
>>200819204Not a slasher, just barely a proto-slasher
>>200819129>Piating >> anythingno one actually believes this. What a pseud take. No one looks at a painting and is moved beyond wordsMusic >= film >literature fuck the rest.
>>200819218>stop yourselfrofl
>>200819218me?jodie comer
>>200819256How is it not a slasher?
>>200819222i know they are. but when i read some bullshit reference to the "camerawork" apparently cribbed from hollywood i can't help but laugh and wonder if the anon has any idea what he's talking about
>>200819319It’s Hollywood/mainstream industry that historically steals from the avant-garde/experimental/independent artists who pioneer technique, technology, etc
>>200819279True slashers are way simpler, more violent, colder, less plotting, more emphasis on the murders and graphical violence / gore, emphasis on the chased victim vs the chaser, killers are usually supernatural or perceived as very strong, last girl trope, not usual to see the main character as the villain. In general, they are colder, more commercial, more violent and have a distinct style of brainlessness violence that eventually gave birth to the murderdrone genre, aka. the slasher reduced to its core foundations
>>200819391>halloween isn't a slasherok
>>200819367The pipeline goes:Arthouse -> Hollywood -> McDonald's arthouse
>>200819367historically yes. but i hesitate to say that hollywood today has any artistic influences. it's all dictated by the constraints of the lowest bidder VFX company.
>>200819264Pleb take. I travelled to Mexico almost exclusively to see paintings, they were beyond based. I saw Monet there. Paintings are secretly the patrician's art, but they are only for the elite, film and music are for the masses, even literature is to some degree, to see paintings you need money
>>200819421Has all characteristics I just numbered
>>200819445You took the baitNow you must wait…
>>200819489Not really, but you've probably never actually watched it and are just shitposting.
>>200819265I don't think I can do it. It's so fucked up. But I'm so horny its driving me insane.
>>200819434Very true, fair enough
>>200819545In a way it’s even worse than pedophilia.
>>200819445>to see paintings you need money> I travelled to Mexico almost exclusively to see paintingsYou see you just further prove that you are a poser. If it was about the art, none of this would matter, seeing it on your laptop would suffice. But you're a dumb bourgeois kid and u use art as an accessory. You were not moved you're lying to yourself.
>>200819595I'm not joking, anon. I'm really struggling with this. How do you convince yourself its okay? How do you live with that?
>>200816705>Boring = boringu don't say
>>200819531I've watched it many times. I'm a horror enthusiast, I know what I'm talking about
>>200819717I never said I was moved. I just saw some paintings, many were amazing. I never have been moved by nothing in my whole life. I maybe have even cried because of relating to art, but never an ecstatic "moving" experienceSeeing a painting on a laptop is akin to seeing a movie on a smartphone screen
>>200819911Tarr is an impotent libcuck
>>200819755NTA, but who cares dude, just fap and top thinking about if they are dead or not. It's not worse than pedophilia btw, it isn't even bad. I masturbate to piss porn and I'm alright
>>200819943>I never said I was moved.You see my bourgeois friend. Unlike you I was moved many times by films, felt like my spirit was leaving my body.To me if it doesn't move you like that, leave you at a loss of words then why even care?
>>200820037It's better than the pain that I feel 24/7. I'm a sick man, I've got no choice
>>200819943>Seeing a painting on a laptop is akin to seeing a movie on a smartphone screenGET REAL
>>200820155What pain? like a physical aliment?
Is there a torrent site specifically for classic films? I feel like it shouldn’t be this hard to find Doris Day movies with seeds
>>200820201Inland Empire raped his career
>>200820222Yes, my head hurts every single minute of the day, I feel pressure inside it. My stomach hurts too, I feel powerless and without energy. I can't work, kino and art is all that is left for me until I run out of money and an hero I guess
>>200819980How do you not think it’s disrespectful? Or just plain odd? You don’t think about the fact they’re dead while you’re jerking off to them? You can’t imagine having sex with a dead person
Robert Towne is dead
>>200819445>I travelled to Mexico almost exclusively to see paintingsYes my child, yes…Don’t you see, children? He has planted many seeds, and watched them grow. Then he was able to harvest and enjoy the delicious fruits of his labors, true joy, enlightenment.Plant the seeds, children. You all must plant the seeds…
>>200820279I usually don't watch porn from dead actresses because I find it odd, but only if they passed on recently. Classic porn of dead women is indifferent to me because there is no familiarity, they were dead even before I was born, so what is the problem? Just enjoy yourself, there might come a time when you can't enjoy fapping anymore, believe me, and you will miss it
>>200820265sad to hear my friend. It's all bullshit, I am physically fine but I've experience so much emptiness, I wish I was dead every day, prayed sincerely multiple times that I wouldn't wake up the next morning, still here.
>>200818644>Grindhouse just describes the kind of theater something might be shown inSo does arthouse.
>>200820347Transcendental reply. Enlightened words
>>200820347Lol
>>200820379I also hurt inside, emotionally, even today I was a few steps away from just doing it, but I never can do it, I think of the pain that I would feel when I open my vein and it paralyzes me and makes me take a step back. I hope that someday I can be healthy again and enjoy like I did before, I am a writer, and I want to share my experience of pain with the world, but I can't do it in this pitiful condition, it's just too much
>>200820381>look up arthouse cinema >it's showing hollywood movies with the occasional french film sprinkled in cool
>>200819218I only watch vintage porn shot on film & remastered like those by Vinegar Syndrome & a few shopsin europe. All the actors & actresses are either dead or 75-90yo at this point. Doesn't matter, porn is supposed to be a fantasy. In our case the fantasy is that we’re there in that time, whether 1920s or 1970s, with those gorgeous natural beautiful women, partying with them, fucking them silly. The new porn is so stark, sterile & clinical it lacks beauty or any element of fantasy or romance, and is just grossly biological made for psychopaths
>>200820481That's how I feel. How about these distinctions: 1-Commercial cinema, 2-Alternative cinema, 3-Arthouse cinema.I'd say commercial cinema is that made within a provable "meta", a formula made to be accesible and achieve monetary gain, ie. James Cameron.Alternative cinema shares many of the same characteristics of commercial cinema but tries to be less formulaic and more "different", for lack of a better word, ie. A24Arthouse is kino that comes from pure emotional and spiritual expression, is generally free from formulae and doesn't care about reception or monetary gain, ie. Vincent Gallo
>>200820631New Phoenix Marie scene was kino though
arthouse means nothing
>>200820631>I only watch vintage porn shot on film & remastered Fucking based. Recs?
>>200820452I hope you recover man, empty words of sympathy and all that but I really do. We all deserve our shot at happiness.
>>200819218Why would I stop?
>>200820639>ie. Vincent GalloAre we still pretending Vincent Gallo doesn't wish he was commercially successful?
>>200820809I know you are sincere. It's rare these days. Hope you can be happy someday too
One of the better threads in awhile
>>200820826Never saw a film by him, I just saw bait potential
>>200820912>Never saw a film by him,You don't need to. He's just Gus Van Sant but a sexpest who never got out of his tricking arthoes into giving him blowjobs phase.
>>200820969Never saw Gus too. Based that he didn't grow out of the art hoe phase, I wish I was him but without the shame and humilliation
>>200821004Btw, young Chloe is one of my biggest crushes ever
>>200818305>what is X vs. Y?
>>200821062Name 1 that had 5 movies specifically leading up to it and not just something thrown around late into a franchise
>>200819162A Bay of Blood?
>>200820631>>200820359I'm not talking about porn, you idiots, this is /film/. I'm talking about actual mainstream actresses. I want to jerk off to Doris Day and its killing me.
>>200821156Vintage porn is /film/.
>>200820871Nah, it's pretty over for me. I am the kind of broken nothing can fix. Don't wanna overshare but it's the only sincere thing to do. The cause of my damage is complex and probably goes back to childhood (parents divorce, typical loser teenagerhood with bullying and all that) but to me the sign of my complete emptiness is that I just don't care anymore, I didn't care when grandma died, found it weird at the time, didn't care when mom went through surgery and found it weird at the time, now I understand, I see the writing on the wall, my parents will die one day and I'm just not gonna care like I how I don't care about anything now and I am gonna go through the motions of living.Wish I could give you my healthy body so you can make something out of it, though I'm pretty ugly, but you're not a position to bargain, lol.At least I hope it's a little consolation that we're all suffering.
>>200819391>gave birth to the murderdrone genreWhat?
>>200821156>>200821186I've seen a bunch of 8mm stag films and while none seemed to include anything illegal and were made by what appeared to be an actual studio they all had a very evil feeling to them. Maybe people in the 70s and 60s were just a lot more gross and fucked in the head. Lead poisoning? Who knows.
>>200821152Goalposts stay where they are pls.
>>200821362You fucking moved the goalpost by saying something that's not the same thing is that. Stay on topic retard.
>>200821388>ambitious crossover eventFuck you and your whore mother.
>>200821288Well, what made them feel so evil?
>>200821516Making a vs movie for your 20th movie long after the interest in your franchise has run out of ideas isn’t ambitious
>200 posts in less than 3 hoursWhat the fuck happened?
>>200820481Films shown ONLY in arthouse cinemas.>>200821924Retards arguing about the definition of arthouse again.
>>200819269Jodie is underrated as fuck.>Verification not required
>>200821156I still don't see where the issue is...>>200821288Stag films from the 70s?
New Samsung shot looking ass Hong slop dropped (no subs as of now)https://mega.nz/folder/PElwzIoA#AAO8_IViBL6xiJfepgsqoA
>>200822330>old white hag instead of a korean qtThat's a skip from me, dawg.
>>200821924It's over. I ruined it.
it is never over
>>200822367Put some respect on that sexy hag’s name, bitch.That being said, shit looks ridiculous
Good night, /film/
>>200823309Good night, /film/
>>200822330That’s not it :(
>>200823309>>200823365Night?! It's morning!
>>200819171That's why the several hours when burgers are asleep is the best time to be here.
>>200823530that's Shitmonsts L'Empire yesthis is the third time the TG channel admins fuck up the linkhere's a proper onehttps://mega.nz/file/ePBBxKjI#V62uwimyuwmDQ7dAJRKIW6iy5tL-kTOKmg-ZuTgGzoQ
>>200824085Thank you for this, I’m not a fan of his films but I always watch his newest releases just to marvel at the shit he gets away with lolPlus my wife always thinks his films are comfy, whatever
its over
>inane arguing about the definition of arthouseWorst thread in a while.
>wake up>scroll through this new thread>most posts are made by obnoxious sons of whores that I want to stab to deathIs this what they call 'American hours'?
>>200826161>>most posts are made by obnoxious sons of whores that I want to stab to death/tv/ in a nutshell
Because of this thread I decided to finally make a slasher chart. Would really appreciate more and artful horror discussion in these threads.
>>200827529Alternate version. With special mention to Hellraiser III: Hell on Earth and Hell Night.
>>200817518Human intelligence averages and plateaus everywhere, in every sphere.The crucial quality of midwit is that he doesn't consider themselves one.Just like the crucial quality of inability to understand is the inability to understand the inability to understand.That's why the jump to the "smarter, more sophisticated" level is qualitative, and the quality of the level is the recursive self-reflexion of self-reflexivity that crushes all levels and brings the true melancholy of loneliness and despair of oppression, not the loud, apish signalling of narccisstic exceptionality.
