>it is said multiple times in the books/movies that Sauron will be undefeatable with his ring>he already has his ring in The Second Age>loses like a little bitch
the sooner you realise there's a shitheap of plotholes in the stories, the easier it will be to grasp how reddit it truly is.
>thousands of years ago is todayYou creatures really do have zero comprehension of time, it's like it doesn't exist uuuu.
It's been like 1000 years and there are no armies in the Third Age to match the Numenorians and Elves back in the day
at the end of the second age he was defeated by a combined army of tens of thousands of 7 foot tall numenorean and high elven gigachads over the course of a years long siege that cost most of their lives and basically ended the high elves as a people on middle earth, their kingdom was reduced to one really nice house and a harbor.
>>214505391>>214505540Because Sauron was set to win without the ring you dumbasses. Destroying the ring was the only win condition. In the second age he could still be contested militarily, in the third age he couldn't.
>>214505391Its a children story. Cool one, but still children's with lots of plotholes, lazy writing or just idiotic actions
>>214505391Those were men made of sterner stuff, of blood more pure than the blood that flow today.
>>214505663You mean like being defeated in every battle he waged?
>>214505656>high elves, numenorian...bla bla blaSo, he DID lose, right. And isnt undefeatable with the ring
>>214505391He obviously will be undefeatable with his ring because he is already dominating without his ring. He wasn't undefeatable with his ring back in the day because they defeated him under those circumstances back in the day.Better question is why is this children's story defeating your brain?
>>214505749Unironically this. Aragorn himself is the strongest being in Middle Earth besides Gandalf (and the balrog, which was one of the weaker members of that ilk) at the time of the Lord of the Rings and he is far weaker than his forebears despite training via traveling around having adventures and fighting whatever the fuck in wherever the fuck. This is the problem with the films and why the suck shit and why people who prefer the films are fucking RETARDS and I WILL NOT CHANGE MY MIND BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN YEARS AND NO ARGUMENT HAS BEEN SUFFICIENT IN ALL THIS TIME TO DO SO BESIDES "lmao duh muvies r quikker tuh see den it iz tuh reed lulz"
>>214505391Because there are no longer people who could match his full strength.
what did sauron want to do that was so evil anyway?>he's a heckin dictator!so are all the literal kings ruling over everything else>he wants to uhh... burn trees... that's not very wholesome!ok luddite
>>214505391>let me slowly move my hand with my ring which is also my weaknessFuck you Tolkien you fucking hack
>>214505391Like half of the thread already pointed out, the thing is that they barely defeated him in a time of true legends. He was defeated by armies of demigods, by the time of LotR everyone is basically a dyel faggot, everyone is so weak that a mere spark of Sauron was capable of nearly conquering the whole world.
>OWIE ZOWIE MY FINGER>OH NO NOT MY RING OF POWER>AAAAAAAAAAAUGGH
>>214505391Sauron is Evil incarnate. Did you think he would win or something?
>>214505391>it is said multiple times in the books/movies that Sauron will be undefeatable if the ring isn't destroyed ftfy Dude was a Demilich
>>214505821He was defeated by a guy on his back swinging a broken stub of a sword.
>>214505760stop pretending to be a stupid faggot. what's your problem?
>>214505750If the ring wasn't destroyed the armies of Gondor and Rohan would have been crushed at the Black Gate, eliminating Mordor's two most powerful adversaries. Sauron would've had free reign over everything from the Red Mountains to the havens of Lindon.
Elves were more powerful in the second age and Numenorian's were giga-humans in comparison to third age men. Gil-Galad and Elendil were also just absurdly powerful beings. 2nd age Sauron with the ring would have auto-won in the 3rd age, yes. It's really not that hard to understand. He was already going to win without the ring.
>>214505540Go on then, name some plot holes.
>>214505818Tolkien didn't write that.
>>214505936He was not. Sauron was already defeated by Gil-Galad and Elendil at the cost of both of their lives. Isildur just cut the ring off Sauron's finger while he was getting ready to respawn.
>The elves waste their time walking and going to the harbor on horseback so that they can take a long boat ride to ValinorWhy don't they literally just kill themselves? Jump off a cliff and teleport straight to the Halls of Mandos? Are they stupid?
>>214506070Because the respawn time is insane even by Elven standards.
>>214505391The problem is that people have been raped by new age storytelling so faggots like OP take everything too literally or assume everything is completely black and white.When it's said that Sauron would be undefeatable OP reads that as this is a fairytale, this is a Marvel comic, Sauron will literally get the power of being undefeated.That's not what happens in the story. Sauron would be undefeatable because the armies and alliances that defeated him no longer exist. Sauron will learn from his mistakes and not make him so vulnerable and get his finger cut off this time. So that's why he is undefeatable, because the people right now don't have the ability to defeat them. Sauron is not getting level 99 ''Undefeatable'' skill and going bing bing wahoo.Modern audiences are literally unable to understand Lord of the Rings. They can't even wrap their head around concepts like this army is pretty big and strong but this one is small and divided so the bigger army wins. To them Sauron is a Dark Souls boss or a Marvel villain. They literally can't conceptualize the logistics of a conflict.Not to mention that calling Sauron undefeatable is a hyperbole. He can be defeated, they just have no plan or power to execute a plan to defeat him. You could still defeat him if you got really lucky.
>>214506029Are you stupid? Everyone already knows them: Eagles, not sealing the Mont Doom entrance, saruman not revealing his true powers after abandoning Valars, ring carrying thing, Gandalf respawning...
>>214505711>implying that you've read the booksGo back to eating shit, pajeet.
>>214506227I have to wonder why people make posts like this. I understand why people deliberately say retarded shit they don't actually believe on shit like twitter or reddit. Because they get the engagement associated to their account. But why do it in this context? At best you get a response by a mildly annoyed person who will go out of their way to explain why each point you made is stupid and untrue.What is the point of pretending to be retarded in this context? What reward is there?
>>214505391The ring constantly gains power over time and it had been hundreds of years since he last had it
>>214506263It's just retardation. What he is saying isn't some kind of insane bait, it's the most commonly held beliefs on all the Tolkien forums.The entire Tolkien fandom is overrun by these freaks and they have used their mod status on sites and appeal to authority to spread misinformation.An example of this is how every source says the rings that Sauron made all amplify the traits of the wearer's race. They then say that this is why Hobbits turn invisible when they put on the ring, that's their ''amplified trait'' and if a human was to wear the ring then they would get afraid of death and a dwarf would just get greedy.There is no sign of this being true in any of the books. The source for this insanity is an out of context quote Tolkien wrote to a fan where he says the rings were maid to amplify something, meaning he made 9 rings especially for 9 human leaders that amplified their fears of death. And he gave 7 rings to dwarfs that were designed to make the dwarves really greedy and make them in-fight and fuck eachother over.The official fan narrative is that Sauron made smart rings that when you put it on it scans your race and looks at your stats, then it picks the biggest stat and it amplifies it.
>>214506263>At best you get a response by a mildly annoyed person who will go out of their way to explain why each point you made is stupid and untrue.No? You can easily get 20+ replies with just one bait on nu-4chan. Are you stuck in the 00s?
>>214506145>making fun of KINO SoulsKill yourself
>>214506325If you're baiting something political or to do with race/sexuality, sure. I don't think you're getting it by being deliberately obtuse about Lord of the Rings, though.
>>214506345You can post a bait about a beloved piece of media as well and get swarmed with replies but you have to format your post in a way that makes it look somewhat genuine.
>>214505818In the book there is no scene like that. He is simply slain after numerous heroes die fighting him.
>>214505391The point is that humans and elves, in particular, aren't as strong as they used to be. The united armies of the West in the Second Age could defeat Sauron, even with his Ring. But the forces of the Third Age couldn't, they were too weak. So, _to them_, Sauron is undefeatable if he ever gets his Ring back.
>>214505814Orc shill
>>214505391>>it is said multiple times in the books/movies that Sauron will be undefeatable with his ringlotr has some power lvl inconsitensies , fucking fingolfin almost soloed morgoth even though he was 10 times less size and i will always hate the fact that the valar were OMEGA PUSSSIES they could have killed sauron like a liteal cockroach , just send tulkas one day and theres no lotr trilogy
>>214505391Iluvatar would just find another way to cuck Sauron out of his moment. The War of the Ring was a waste of time.
>>214506247Yes, ive read it and its even more childish and plotholes infested than the movies. Now eat my brown shit, nigger
>>214506341Kill yourself tranny souls faggot
>>214505391He was undefeatable with the forces available to the free peoples at the end of the third age. It's not said that he's undefeatable overall you fucking cretin, he got raped so badly by the Numenoreans that he had to resort to Jewish tactics to subvert them
>>214506876I have a man's soul. Kill yourself.
>>214505391maybe because he won't make the same mistake twice and not go on the front line again
>>214506321it's directly contradicted in the books as well
>>214506937>but the power of the ring could not be undone>cut to sauron who is just a really big guy with a club that starts soloing the elvesEven as a kid this looked childish.
>>214506963nothing in that image explains the effect the ring had on isildur though, just that it slipped off his finger and then he was killed
>>214506963It's contradicted in the books and the mechanics of why they turn invisible are explained. It's because humans and hobbits were made by god and their souls exist in the other world. When they put on the ring their physical bodies shift into the invisible world.Elves don't turn invisible because they exist in the real and invisible world at the same time.Dwarves don't turn invisible because they were made from earth and are permanently tied to the physical world.But all Tolkien fans will say hobbits turn invisible because they are small and that gets amplified, therefore they turn invisible.
>>214505760did they say he was undefeatable?nothey said he will be undefeatable
>>214507039yes you're right, the book only says that>the Ring slipped from his finger>this was a "betrayal" on the Ring's part>the orcs see Isildur as a result of said betrayalbut there is ZERO reason to link the Ring and visiblity, NONE
>>214507087>>214507039>>214506963and let's also not forget The Simlarillion
>>214507046>But all Tolkien fans will say hobbits turn invisible because they are small and that gets amplified, therefore they turn invisible.it's not simply because they're small, but because tolkien mentions how inherently stealthy they are quite a few times.
what if you threw all the rings into outer space
>No, we elves shall not help humans in this war. Even though when we die we just get teleported to Valinor where we get respawned so death holds no meaning to us. Instead of fighting, and most likelly dying in glorious battle for freedom, we will just take boats to fuck off.wtf was their problem?
>>214507119Confirmation bias and/or retardation bias.
>>2145072281. Elves have an almost genetic need to travel to Valinor, they truly don't give a shit about Middle-Earth, even ones with kingdoms like Galadriel just try to mimic Valinor2. Elves don't trust humans for shit after they got betrayed in the Battle of Unnumbered Tears and after Numenorians tried to invade Valinor. Basically they think we're easily corruptible chimps
>>214507262this is why Gil-Galad was such a big deal, because he trusted humans enough to fight alongside them. And then after he's dead what does Isildur do? Gets corrupted. This is why Elrond was so butthurt too
>>214507276>>214507262Nah they are just scared of us because we want to breed their women. Female elves lust for human cock.
>>214507228Thats true for the Eagles as well>No, why would we help the Fellowship with the Ring and fly them to Monut Doom to be destroyed>Although, if Sauron get possession of the Ring, he will enslave all the world and kill our kind>Naah, lets just chillAre they stupid?
>>214507349in the worst case they can just go and live in Arda, there are gigantic mountain ranges there
a lot of Plebbitors seething right nowlolhow does Tolkien's cock taste?bunch of easily triggered faggots >no,you can't point out how fucking overrated these book are,our master Tolkien was a genius,how dare you??cretins
It took an army of Gigachads and elves to take Sauron down the first time. Middle-earth doesn't have that in the third age. The Numenorians are gone and the Eleves are mostly gone.
