>Told to wrap up all principle photography by end of year>Told to wrap up all post production by August next year.>Next 3 shows cancelled (Archer, TOS remake, Legacy)>Already moving onto Trek stuff without Kurtzman or Secret Hideout IP (Lego, Nick toddler shit, Khan audio series)>Skydance signalled they want to move in a compeltely different direction with Star Trek (could be monkey paw though).Looks like the Kurtzman Era of trek is finally coming to an end. How do you think this era o Trek will be remembered?
>>214578187SNW and Lower Decks are incredibly kino
>>214578187The premise for the Archer show sounded interesting. It might work without Kurtzman.
>>214578187I suspect, much like the continual Kathleen rumours, the usual grifters just say this for clicks.
I want to believe you, but OP is always a retarded lying faggot who's "news" about big franchises/IPs is always wrong. How many times has kathleen kennedy been definitely getting fired this decade?
>>214578187>Told to wrap up all principle photography by end of year>Told to wrap up all post production by August next year.Oh yeah? We have still one and a half seasons of SNW before us. 2 full seasons of Starfleet Academy and there is still the live action Risa comedy. Skydance wants to make more movies, so expect more JJ-style slop.
>>214578221Political show with modern liberal writers would be just unrelenting sucking off the Democrats. None of the writers get really the Military-socialist worldview of Trek. Unironically a Trek politics show would probably be best written by Chinese scifi writer like Liu Cixin. Wandering Earth 2 felt more like Star Trek and how the Federation used to be presented, than modern Trek.
There was no way they were surviving blowing so much fucking money on Section 31.
Who the fuck thought it was a good idea to give creative control over Star Trek to the writer of the Transformers movies?
>>214578419>no you don't understand only chinks do, not even roddenberrysuck my dick chang
>>214578187>TOS remake from KurtzmanDid he want to get punched in the face whenever he was in front of another person? Goddamn...
honestly, of all the things they could do, an Enterprise followup isn't the worst idea. The show ended kind of prematurely, and wasn't so long ago that the cast are haggard.Also less to ruin, because the show wasn't that good.
>>214578209shut up, woke demon scum
>>214578542They just have to continue the Enterprise timeline.Which was literally about to enter the Earth Romulan war,there's nothing more Kino than that!And all new cast!Pretty much everybody of the old Trek cast has proven to be woke retards and nobody needs that anymore.
>>214578221It'd just be Scott Bakula and Jeffrey Combs shittalking Vulcans for an hour while drinking before the cameras even roll.
>>214578187>Looks like the Kurtzman Era of trek is finally coming to an endI don't buy it, and not just because you misspelt "principal photography". Has Kurtzman been fired? Have they announced a parting of ways with Secret Hideout? Have they declared everything post-Enterprise to be non-canon? Have they announced a new series set post-Voyager (and which won't be helmed by some subversive jew)? Will they reintroduce the "open script submissions" policy of the TNG era? The first four at least need to happen for there to be any chance of a Trek revival, and at best, I think we'll only get the first two - neither of which has yet occurred.tl;dr Star Trek is dead, there'll probably never be any good Trek again, and you're wasting our time.
>>214578881they technically made a post-Voyager series. It's just that it was Picard. And then two cartoons that no one really asked for.What they need to do is establish a "universe B", which is literally just everything from TOS to Voyager, and maybe Enterprise (but who the fuck cares, really?), and then start again. No destruction of Romulus, no stupid JJ Abrams aesthetic, or new Borg Queen, or whatever the fuck happened in Picard.
>>214578209SAD NEWS: SNW shit the bed this season.
The aesthetic of Star Trek also needs to be built around the basic principle that this is a real place where people live and work. It's not Star Wars or Warhammer 40k, or some kind of Y2K music video. Star Trek ships are simultaneously impressive, and boring. It's like visiting a really nice office on board a cruise ship.
>>214578187>TOS remakeDidn't they already do a movie trilogy with this exact same premise?What purpose would a full TV reboot serve?
>>214578187It's truly telling that this little faggot keeps intentionally shitting on the saga, has received constant backlash for it, shit ratings, and if Im not mistaken most of the projects made little to no money, yet they STILL give him stuff to do. How?
>>214579144It's stupid because they only care for the character names not for the actual setting. Any show in that era would have no technological constraints and eventually get a holodeck like SNW already did. Because REMEMBER STAR TREK?
>>214579202Rape (((Moonvess))) always hated Trek and canceled Enterprise right when it was getting goodwhen he got #metoo'd he found his jew buddy Abrams who hated Trek just as much and made sure Bad Robot got a nuclear bunker safe contract to shit up Trek for life
I'm 95% sure they're rebooting TOS with this guy at the helm and spock, since they're super popular
>>214579273Define "super popular".
>>214578962>SAD NEWS: SNW shit..>NEWSR U retard?everybody knew that
>>214579289"Least Hated"
>>214579289Nutrek fag likes them.
>>214578944They could call it whatever they liked, but yeah, everything from the JJ shit on needs to excised from the canon. And ideally that (actually decent) post-Voyager series would focus on an entirely new set of characters, aside from maybe the odd cameo (putting aside their insufferable wokeness, most of the 80s/90s lot are getting too old now anyway). Personally I'd have loved to see Benjamin Maxwell somewhat exonerated after the Dominion War, and the Federation weakened/fracturing due to the heavy losses, and then slowly rebuilding, with a contrast between the happy-clappy, Prime Directive-y liberalism of the past and a greater emphasis on realpolitik/militarism. So it'd be like episode-of-the-week TNG, but with less room for fucking around, since the Federation is no longer clearly the top dog. Almost like a cross between TNG and Enterprise in that respect. But all of this is pointless. Star Trek is done, sadly.
>>214579289Spocks a twink and Kirk is the vampire dairies guytheyre also super gay chemistry on screen so go figure
I've always thought Kurtzman either has big time dirt on someone very high up or he has some sort of nepotism based safety net that prevents him getting fired. But he's been in charge of this for so long that he's likely outlived most execs at Paramount. So why? Why has he been kept around for 16 years at this point? So bizarre
>>214579408He's one of the JJ Abrams crowd, and they're jews. It's as simple as that.
>>214578187Star Trek has been over for 25 years...Now try a bowl of my delicious Leola root stew.I made it fresh just for you crewman!
>>214578187Star Trek will literally never be Star Trek again because of DEI writing rooms, which is pretty ironic. Star Trek morality led to Star Trek's demise.
>>214579473
>>214578187Overall I don't hate the past 16 years (jesus fucking christ!) Of TrekIt's problems are mostly problems with modern film in general (everything has to be MOVING FAST and EXCITING at all times)There was good stuff in the Kelvin films and Disco/Lower Decks/SNW.The Picard show can get fucked tho.
>>214578387>and there is still the live action Risa comedyThe what nowWhat the fuck
>>214579273Rumour is it got knocked down, along with The Archer West Wing show and Legacy.
>>214579495If he hated Charlie Kirk for his zionism, that would be based and actually edgy. Alas, he's just expressing his agreement with the one set of opinions Hollywood people are allowed to have.
>>214578187Is the Section 31 film really that bad?
>>214579539>The untitled series would be a workplace comedy set on a vacation planet outside of the Federation, set in the early 25th century after the events of Star Trek: Picard. Earlier this year, Newsome confirmed with TrekMovie she would also star in the workplace comedy, likely playing a new character due to its setting, describing the show as “Federation outsiders and what’s kind of the nitty-gritty involved with joining the Federation.” Newsome also feels the post-Picard setting allows “all of our legacy actors” the opportunity to be part of the show without having to do any digital de-aging, and just “show up with their real faces.”https://trekmovie.com/2025/08/09/tawny-newsome-gives-live-action-star-trek-comedy-update-talks-injecting-canon-into-starfleet-academy/
>>214579508>DiscoShill spotted. No real person calls it that.
I think the Picard show will get remembered, but everything else will be quickly forgotten. Not that Picard was good, mind you, but just like the movies it has buyin because of its cast
>>214578387Both final seasons of SNW are closed to finished filming now along with Starfleet Academy already in post-production.Legacy was the next show they were supposed to work on, along with the new Kirk TOS show but both failed to get greenlit, along with the Archer West Wing show.
>>214579588It's so bad, it's not even good again.
>>214578457>racism outside of /b/
>>214579508Giving the benefit of the doubt and completely discounting the dreadful storytelling, casting, acting... JJ's juvenile visual style infected all of that nu-trek.He was a director who purposefully introduced the photographic flaw of lens flair into all of his projects because it totally heckin looks cool and sci-fi.Every star trek show looks worse due to his influence.
>>214579590Ew
>>214579508>Overall I don't hate the past 16 years (jesus fucking christ!) Of TrekWell, then you're wrong.>DiscoTelling. It's all shit, and this semi-defence is because you're a Colbert-enjoying type who doesn't want to acknowledge that. Doesn't matter, though. It's done. I'm sure there'll be more stuff called "Star Trek", but none of it will be any good.
>>214579601>Legacy was the next show they were supposed to work onlmao no, Kurtzman was never letting that happen, he's too much of a spiteful, evil little man
>>214579508it's called STD you dumb tranny
>>214578881>Has Kurtzman been fired?According this this guy, who has been correct on most Trek rumours in the past. Yes. He's been to pack his bags and leave by Christmas break.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVR1zNCUwUQ
>>214579473Voyager did have its merits.
>>214579661I'll believe it when it's actually been announced. And even then, as I said earlier, several more things would need to happen for there to be a chance of a Trek revival. And I don't seem them all happening without Hollywood first being de-jewed, frankly.
>>214579714*don't see
>>214578187Khan is Secret Hideout tho
>>214579661He says in the comments that Kurtzman needs to be out of the studio by Christmas, that the contract with Kurtzman doesn't end until late next year.
>>214579588nobody really knows because actually no one watched it
I hate how Discovery botched the "1000 years into the future Federation is gone and you left to pick up the pieces" idea. I believe it would've been absolutely great in competent hands. It's even worse than Voyager botching a "Federation ship lost in a deep space 70 years away from home, now it's the ultimate test of their skills and morality", and it turned out to be a tired discount copy of TNG, which I would still take any day before whatever the fuck Discovery tried to be.
>>214579588Got about 20 minutes in until I couldn't stand it anymore.
>>214578209i agree that LD is kino but >>214578962 is right: SNW was just orville-tier mediocre
>>214578440kurtzman has survived worse, his whole career is like a long list of "he can't get any more work after this"
>>214579714They'll bring back "dependable" Trek alumni like Nicholas Meyer, Bryan Fuller, Ronald D Moore and Ira Steven Behr to make new Star Trek, and everyone will rejoice, but they'll be too Hollywood-brained to make anything that fits most regular people's conception of Star Trek and fill it with untenable, obnoxiously progressive, audience-shedding ideas barely any better than what they were making during the Kurtzman era...I just don't think it's possible to make something new and fresh while also satisfying old Trek fans' demands
>>214579484It's more that with the USSR gone, nobody actually remembers Socialist futurism and now associates ""progressiveness"" with fucking Tumblr shit and Demonrats and the "CURRENT THING".Western Socialism was completely and totally defeated and what is left is a bunch of Neolib Pomo Troons wearing it's dead skin in some grotesque masqurade.
>>214579833>LDVelma-tier generic lesbian adult animationget better standards retard
>>214579853>but they'll be too Hollywood-brained to make anything that fits most regular people's conception of Star Trek and fill it with untenable, obnoxiously progressive, audience-shedding ideas barely any better than what they were making during the Kurtzman era...Did you see the S8 idea they came up with for the DS9 documentary. NuTrek through and through. Also go watch BSG again, it literally is just NuTrek, arguably even worse than Disco.That said, For All Mankind at points feels like classic Trek, but it's still completely modern Hollywood pozzed.
>>214578209I tried SNW and only made it a couple episodes. Its current day slop with the Star Trek logo slapped on.
>>214579853Yep. These days it'd take a non-jew/non-shabbos goy, unhindered by studio interference, to produce a Star Trek show that wasn't shot through with all the shit that plagues, well, everything else Hollywood now produces. Hence we're not going to get that.
>>214579897That's how I was with it. SNW felt like they got the memo that people just want regular Star Trek and they even had some conception of what regular Star Trek is and attempted to make it in earnest... but they're just too untalented to create it.Best thing about the entire production was the Enterprise sets, except they're completely wrong for what the Enterprise (or any Federation ship in that era) should look like so onto the trash it goes.
Modern writers are obsessed with individualist characters and melodrama, they can't write ensemble "team" stories for the life of them.Look at how modern Western hollywood writers seethed at Shin Godzilla for being an ensemble with no "main character".Watch Star Trek Continues, which is from just before Covid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCBuaTnDsQsand SNW and you can see the worlds of difference between writing styles. Star Trek continues, feels like classic Trek in every concievable way, Modern Trek feels like a teenage relationship melodrama/sitcom that takes place in Star Trek like setting.
>>214579853>They'll bring back "dependable" Trek alumni like Nicholas Meyer, Bryan Fuller, Ronald D Moore and Ira Steven Behr to make new Star Trek, and everyone will rejoice, but they'll be too Hollywood-brained to make anything that fits most regular people's conception of Star Trek and fill it with untenable, obnoxiously progressive, audience-shedding ideas barely any better than what they were making during the Kurtzman era...Well, Behr himself said that he regrets not going even more progressive in DS9, like making Garak and Bashir gay couple. Besides, "regular people's conception of Star Trek" had changed too, episodes like Far Beyond the Stars nowadays would be discarded as too "woke" and "preachy", while back in the day they were considered as crème de la crème of Star Trek. It's like with The Lord of the Rings adaptations: in 2002 nobody except 3.5 nerds gave a damn that Arwen Undómiel replaced Glorfindel (who's pretty significant character in the Legendarium) when saving Frodo from nazgûl, then only a handful of people grumbled in 2013 about completely original "female Legolas" character written specifically for Evangeline Lilly, but nowadays everyone and their mother has something bad to say about TRoP's Galadriel, and let's be honest, it's not just because she's horrendously miscast. God, I hate Murrican culture wars, not only they bad enough by themselves, they also tend to spillover all around the world, and now everything is covered in its residue of blind and stubborn stupidity.
>>214580058>Shin Godzilla >no "main character".The main character of the movie is Godzilla, are these people retarded or something?
>>214580058>Modern writers are obsessed with individualist characters and melodrama, they can't write ensemble "team" stories for the life of them.Literally the biggest box office hits of the past decade were ensemble team stories.
>>214579271>Rape (((Moonvess))) always hated Trek>he found his jew buddy Abrams who hated Trek just as much and made sure Bad Robot got a nuclear bunker safe contract to shit up Trek for lifeBut why? It's illogical.
>>214580273Still had main character though.
>>214578187>new non-Kurtzman stuff like the Khan audio serieskek you mean the one that says Kirk knew Seti Alpha 5 was wrecked and that he sent Khan there on purpose because he's... evil, I guess?It's more Kirsten Beyer fucking trash. Just a sign that nothing is going to change at all.
Just give me Horatio Hornblower in space, is it really so fucking hard
>>214580188>The main character of the movie is Godzilla,Hollywood for some reason doesn't understand that. Though they do know he's a draw based on how they put him first in the Godzilla x Kong movie
>>214578187i would not be glad until he dies from cold on some street living like a hobo for a least few years.
>>214580347Remind me, who was the main character of Infinity War?
>>214580409Thanos
>>214578187A TOS remake would be the most pozzed thing imaginable. Wokies always cite Star Trek when talking about regressive gender stereotypes and white male power fantasies. I bet they would have gone full circle and made Kirk a live action Zapp Brannigan. A clueless dope who always needs a woman to save him.
>>214580409It was absolutely Thanos, lmao, how can you not realise that
>>214580392You won't get that from Hollywood, but I'm working on a book with that as an element. I trust you'll buy it when I'm done, anon.
>>214580420>>214580475Thanos is more like an abstract idea (Malthusianism) or even a force of nature, rather than a character.
>>214580404He'll never be poor and he'll never get what he fucking deserves. On the other hand, he'll go to his grave with the knowledge that he played life on easy mode, and never had any talent.
>>214580556No he won't, he'll never know that, even if you told him to his face, his ego won't let him hear you.
>>214580578He'd never admit it to anyone, and maybe not even to himself, but unless he's a retard (and I don't think he is) he must know deep down - and that'll strike him at the end. Or maybe I'm just projecting my humanity onto a soulless alien, I dunno.
>New Trek Show ideaAssuming the writing room/decision makers ever gets fixed(kek). What about a show following the Enterprise C? Thoughts?
>>214580653A show about young Picard leading the Stargazer that’s just mediocre enough to watch before bed. Yes, I know it will be another “We have TNG at home!” But we’ll probably get another Trek that hits as hard as TNG/DS9 at their peak.
>>214580684*probably never
>>214580653>What about a show following the Enterprise C? Thoughts?What's going to set is apart from TOS/TNG?
>>214580653i remember there was TOS episode with a ship looking similar to Defiant so it would be cool if we had a show about one of those.
>>214578187I don't think this queer has any ideals, these new treks are so morally bereft
>>214580729>What's going to set is apart from TOS/TNG?Two words: Women Captain
>>214580653Fuck off Kurtzman, we ain't giving you ideas to save your ass! You've had close to a decade to listen to feedback and turn your shit around!
>>214580785They’re creatively bereft too. It’s all gimmicks, girlbosses and Member Berries. Funny how one of the best Star Trek adventures was all about how you need to take risks and set yourself apart. Kurtzman Era Trek is basically the alternate universe mediocre Picard from Tapestry.
>>214580653I don't think I can tolerate a "lost era" show with everyone wearing the Wrath of Khan outfits without the turtlenecks, it always looked fucking stupid
>>214578209Kys
No more prequel shows for the love of fucking god.And just set Kurtzman NuTrek entirely in a fucking alt dimension, including Shitard. Honestly just pull some of the stuff and setting from Star Trek Online and set it in the mid-late 24th century.
>>214578209reddit slop
>>214580321>It's illogical.evil has its own logic
>>214580729>What's going to set is apart from TOS/TNG?Actual all out war with the Klingons
>>214580684>But we’ll probably get another Trek that hits as hard as TNG/DS9 at their peak.No, we won't because the U.S. has a dying selfish nihilistic society that's too caught up in its own problems; it's not fit to make a proper Star Trek media, and even if by some miracle there is a person to actually "get it", it would be discarded by both "left" and "right".
>>214580785>these new treks are so morally bereftThey have to be. Old Treks are conservative by today's standards.
>>214579866>Demonrats>Western Socialism was completely and totally defeatedamerican mindrot
How do people, especially on 4chan, stand watching Lower Decks? It's one of the most obnoxious things I have ever seen. It's just constant yelling with Trek references spliced in. Unbearable "millennial dialogue" and random curse words.
>>214580930True. 20th century Trek was made when most people believed their children would grow up in a better world than they grew up in. That hasn’t been the case for about 20 years now.
>>214581044>How do people, especially on 4chan, stand watching Lower Decks?There are trannies on 4chan too. They have an entire board. We also have an entire board dedicated to lesbian faggotry. Put two and two together.
>>214578187>LegacyThis is how I know you're lying. Legacy was never greenlit, it's just Matalas' fantasy.
The rumor is that Trek is going to be handed off to Terry Matalas as Showrunner by Skydance.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_MatalasAlso you have to look at Skydance's catalogue to see they aren't exactly the fucking best studio when it comes to deep writing. They mostly produce generic rah rah USA USA hoo haa action slop.
>>214581093You guys are going overboard on the copium.
>>214578187>Skydance signalled they want to move in a completely different direction with Star TrekThey want JJ back to make his version of TNG, people have wanted it for years even before Beyond was released
>>214581147>They want JJ backbullshitJJ is literally blackballed in the industry for being utter shite and incompetentwhich is almost unheard of to happen to a (((tribesman)))he's that shit
>>214578209
The star trek fanbase would apparently rather their beloved franchise died out than exist in a form different to what they loved in the past.I've been watching SNW. I thought the singing episode was a challenge but this season has lost me. I love science fiction and I like the trek franchise. I accept that it will change beyond recognition and appeal to what younger people like. I think to create something truly timeless is better for long term popularity, so contemporary music or lingo is a disaster but only time will tell. it's better than no trek.
>>2145812021965-2005
>>214581194>>214578209>>214579833
>>214581044>inb4 "it's a comedy"Old Trek could be hilarious without the characters saying "God you're such a dick, you asshole!" or breaking the fourth wall in such impossible ways
>>214581239NO
Why do people want Matalas so much, Picard is arguably the 3 worst seasons of Trek ever fucking produced.
>>214581269all Trek post 2005 is non Canon.
>>214581044The one thing Lower Decks has going for it is it's made by people who actually know and like Star Trek. It's also terribly obnoxious and unfunny but with Star Trek in the state it's in right now people are starving and for some of them, it'll do.It's kinda crazy something that looks like an uninspired Rick and Morty clone also understands what Star Trek is supposed to look like the most out of all of nu-trek.
>>214581179You're not going to suggest Kurtzman was good, are you
>>214581247>God you're such a dick, you assholeRemember when character in Star Trek looked down on profanity? Good days.
>>214580789Well, I'm all in favour of female captains: in fact I had my own fanfic idea about this young female captain who's bright, passionate, enthusiastic and a fast thinker, but also prone to making rash decisions and an absolute pessimist when she meets the slightest problems, and she's accompanied by her first mate — an old level-headed wise and a bit eccentric man with a good sense of humour who was actually an admiral at some point, but was demoted on his own volition. But that's not original enough.>>214580921Another Dominion War? Besides, Klingons aren't that interesting as adversaries. The Dominion was interesting in theory: multicultural quasi-caste authoritarian empire that exists with a single purpose — to protect its founders; it's literally THE ideological foil to the Federation. But what are Klingons?
>>214581202>rather their beloved franchise died out than exist in a formtotally perverted and inverted from the original ethos?correctthe perverted sickness must be burned to ashes if it cannot be cut out
>>214581316Stuff like Rick & Morty really had a detrimental effect on television
>>214581294>who actually know and like Star TrekBullshit. It's made by people who just comb Memory Alpha for references. They admitted so themselves.
>>214581260eventually you will be made to
>>214581294>The one thing about having Cancer Aids in the Ass is the fact you've become a factory for life like mother earth is
>>214581345Its cancelled, Anon, All of It!!!! No one watches this Garbage.
>>214581308of course not, they are literally the sameeven if they hate each other's guts now, which is normal behavior for these people
>>214581269He only really had full control over season 3, and even then he was hamstrung by a lack of budget and what had come before. Like he could handwave away what they did with the Borg in season 2 but couldn't handwave all of it. The parts that are good about season 3 people like in spite of the rest of it.Personally I felt the ending with the renaming of the Titan to Enterprise-G and teasing a new show that won't get made irresponsibly indulgent
>>214581269Matalas is only responsible for Season 3, right?Which is regarded as the only TV since Enterprise with a semblance to real Trek.So that sounds encouraging.Klutzman literally made him flee because he did some actual Trek that he couldn't pervert even in post production.
>>214581325I get youI like what we would call classic trek, with voyager as the end point. I would prefer trek exists in some form, so that kids can find their way back to the classic trek. Maybe they will like it? Maybe not. But dead franchises get forgotten. No kids are like hey lets watch classic babylon 5
No way Kurtzman keeps Trek. Ellison said that Star trek is his top priority and apparently he's a massive Trekkie according to previous Trek actors like Pegg and Pine.There was a bunch of Pitches as well but I don't think any got the greenlit.Legacy, United, some fucking office sitcom, Year One (TOS remake), Worf.
>>2145814271965-2005 RIP
>>214581403That whole season felt like his own personal fanfic and even had a Gary Stu in the form of Picard's sonIt was on the extreme opposite side of the nutrek spectrum
FOUNDATION shows what could be - and there is already material for itwhat will be: another prequel zommer kiddie show>but this time it will be better! we promise!
They need to fucking move away from fucking legacy characters for fuck sake. Late 24th century show that focuses largely on diplomacy and geopolitics with twilight zone mysteries here and there like TNG or DS9 for the love of fucking god. I don't give a single flying fuck about "strange new worlds" what the fuck happened after the Dominion War? What are the Romulans doing? what are the Klingons or Cardassians doing? What are the Breen, Gorn or Orions doing? The only Legacy character that has any right to return in maybe a story as part of a larger show is fucking Sisko and Jake and simply because that plot line was never concluded.NO MORE PREQUELS FOR THE LOVE OF FUCKING GOD.
>>214581472>FOUNDATIONThe books were really good, even newer ones. Basically Gibbon's Decline and Fall in space, which is always a plus in my book. I haven't watched the show, but I heard it's awful.
>>214581545>What are the Romulans doing?Recovering from their sun exploding
>>214581545>They need to fucking move away from fucking legacy characters for fuck sake.I couldn't agree more. Star Trek (and sci-fi in general) aren't about characters, it's about "charting the unknown possibilities of existence" and how we as part of humanity are prepared (or not prepared) to encounter them.
>>214581611That plot needs to be retconned. Its so fucking dumb.
>>214581556>Basically Gibbon's Decline and Fall in spaceyepp, and that's where ST should gowe seen the expansion of the Federation, now it's time for the decline>I haven't watched the show, but I heard it's awful.guess it, it slowly gets betterseason 1 5/10season 2 5/10season 3 6/10
>>214581640I disagree. It was an interesting idea, but woefully executed by NuTrek simpleton writers.
Why do the Romulans hold so much space while the Vulcans hold so little?
Romulans were already fucked by Cardassians being developed to largely take over Romulan role for DS9. It was originally supposed to be the Romulans who had controlled Bajor. I think a more interesting development for the Romulans, would have been to have the empire split with a reformist Unification Romulan/Vulcan republic, and the Romulan Empire that doubles down on it's attitudes. There is so much also to explore more with the other Trek races. For example, what about the other races in the Klingon or Romulan or Cardassian empires? Why don't we see Klingon sub races despite apparently making up 60% of crew on Klingon ships with Klingons taking officer roles. Why have we only seen the Remans as the only subrace of Romulans? Wait, what the fuck even happened to the Remans after the sun exploded?
>>214581756Vulcan territories were absorbed into the Federation dumbass.
>>214581640>That plot needs to be retconned. Its so fucking dumbIt doesn't really, all they need to do is remind the writers that the Romulans were a vast, presumably colonialist, empire, and would frankly recover fairly quickly from losing their homeworld.
>>214581202>exist in a form different to what they loved in the pastYes, similar to how what I just ate will soon "exist in a form different to what I loved in the past". It's shit, and you have no standards.
>>214581706Personally I would've gone for more post-apocalyptic approach: a Federation ship from slightly post-Voyager era gets into the distant future and finds that not only most of the Galaxy are in shambles run by warring factions and empires, but the Federation itself is considered as the utmost and unspeakable evil, with its insignias being as feared and hated as Swastikas and double Victory runes in real world; so they not only have to unite the Federation once again, but find out how could they become so evil in the first place.
>>214581888The whole Romulus being destroyed killed the Empire idea is to be honest the reason why it needs retconned because the writers are too retarded to make it work.It's like if the Federation lost Earth. Yes its a blow but they've got several major core worlds to fallback on, Vulcan, Tellar and Andoria for starters!
>>214581706>>214581902Also, while Foundation/Clifford D. Simak's City/Olaf Stapledon's Last and First Men approach of modelling a futuristic human society on a grand scale of thousands or even millions of years would also be interesting, I believe not it requires a one-of-a-kind imagination, it also wouldn't be liked by many people, because some things are better to never reveal. I still cling to the idea that Q in the end of All Good Things was about to reveal that humanity IS Q (or at least are a part of Q continuum), and while I realise it's not bloody likely, I still don't want to get an explicit confirmation of that.
>>214578187just make a new show set after tng/ds9, a proper sequel, start it off with picards funeral that is interrupted when androids attack the utopia planitia shipyards on mar's surface and they refuse to bury picard because androids attacked mars and then a mysterious borg cube shows up helmed by romulans and data's clone daughter wants to destroy the universe.that be geat wouldn't it? But honestly, kurtzman did a tremendous amount of damage to the lore, so either retcon it all or reboot the entire damn thing.
No to any destroyed Federation timeline.Star Trek is the only major Utopian Futurist "Socialistic" Scifi franchise that exists. If people want fucking "fallen federation" shit, they can go watch 40k stuff or The Expanse or Alien or any other grim and miserable scifi franchises out there.The Federation should always be a grounded utopia and the best of what we can be.
>>214581950But Romulan Empire was an actual Empire: a centralized authoritarian society with military and secret services essentially running the damn thing. It is much more vulnerable to such cataclysms because the power is concentrated in a single place, while it isn't the case with the Federation. And even if the Empire is robust enough to survive the destruction of Romulus by itself, it would surely exacerbate already existing divisions between military and Tal Shiar, not to mention pro-Vulcan movement.
>>214578187>TOS remake
>>214582134Star Trek is explicitly not a socialist future though, anon. It's a fully post-scarcity society where concepts like "capitalism" and "socialism" are irrelevant. It is like calling us a hunter-gatherer society because technically, at some point in the food supply chain, somebody is still picking fruit and killing animals.I don't think Star Trek successfully demonstrates how a society could exist without some concept of money (after all, somebody still gets prime Central Park real estate). But arguing about that is so completely not.tbe point of Star Trek that it's not worth getting into. The series will never deliver a satisfying explanation of its social system and shouldn't - the point is that it's literally utopia and in some ways is an unattainable ideal we can't achieve in real life. But that we should still strive to attain it.
>>214581894>what I just ateok well it was your last trek meal, enjoy it
>>214578209No. SNW could have been great but it's a squandered prequelitis-suffering heap. The first season had its moments, so it's sad, but the show sucks. Season 3 managed to have a single good episode.
>>214582134>The Federation should always be a grounded utopia and the best of what we can be.No. Star Trek is in dire need of exploring what actually makes it an utopia. It is no longer enough to just say that humanity "grew up from its infancy" and get along with each other, because it's a gross oversimplification that is actually hurtful in the long run. DS9 tried to do so, but IMO failed in that regard, because I believe that you can be saint even outside of paradise. Star Trek needs and deserves an introspection, especially in this day and age, anything else is just an escapist attempt to bury your head into the sand, which OK for fantasy, but is not fitting for science fiction.
>>214582134The only reason the Federation should fall is out of an idealogical conflict which causes a bunch of member planets to choose to Brexit themselves out of it.Fexit.
>>214578387>Skydance wants to make more movies, so expect more JJ-style slop.I actually wonder what Star Trek means to Skydance if they managed to purchase WBD like they want to.
>>214578209>>214579833LD is shit, the art style alone is vomit inducing
>>214581417This is a retarded opinion because if a thing continues existing in forms that are ever more unlike the original versions, eventually that thing will be more associated with that mass of newer shit over those originals, so "kids" won't find their way to anything they'll just consoom what they think of as Star Trek: the horrifying mangled mutated shitpile it gets made into.
>>214578187And then anon woke up. Who is your source? Doomcuck? Lmao
>>214581706>now it's time for the declineIf I could manifest my wishes into reality, you and every subhuman, subnormal, sub-50IQ faggot like you would be slowly boiling alive in a pot filled with your own waste, your eyes being consumed by parasitic wasps, your mouth stuffed with your own castrated genitals, and my magic wish powers would keep you alive in that state for eternity, and it would *still* be less agony than you fucking deserve.Just fuck off back to 40K already you hateful cunts, leave *one fucking thing* in all of creation that gets to be optimistic and positive.
>>214582351hey just letting a franchise die out means it will never be good againit's not likely to ever return to 90s level of greatness but it could be good one day. but not if it fucking dies you moronie: most star wars is total shit but andor exists. maybe because the magic users were excluded it was great. if you want trek to just die you are preventing the trek andor
>>214578187they rushed to get strange new worlds to 5 seasons and have to film on a rough schedule. theres talks of cancelling the 5th season already. Apparently Academy has been going really bad and again has a fast shooting schedule. its all coming to an end and the plan is to do a full on reboot but SNW might actually stop that since people dont want TOS.id say its more likely they are starting with Enterprise.
>>214582236>It's a fully post-scarcity society where concepts like "capitalism" and "socialism" are irrelevant.This is a very Hegelian/Marxist outlook, where historical process has its own internal logic and historical formations like "feudalism", "capitalism" and "socialism", and will inevitably transform into a post-scarcity classless society, which Marx would've called "communism". But I don't subscribe to that idea, because pre-Revolution French women in general had more kids than they owned pairs of shoes or stockings, which is not the case with modern womankind, but for some reason I believe that they're equally unhappy. It's not all about material needs.
>>214582248Well, my simile only works in the narrow way I used it. (Actual) Trek as a whole isn't like food, because there's enough of it that you can re-consume it again after a while without (necessarily) being bored. In other words, I don't need new "Trek" to enjoy another Trek meal.
>>214582431How can you be so hate-filled in your desire to get an optimistic and positive utopia?
>>214582541A "President Archer" show is supposedly what they've been pushing for
>>214578209To everyone saying SNW is bad, you're a contrarian nerd that hates new things. It's enjoyable. It has episodes with aliens and heroes. The "meta" episodes it has are actually really well done and show how Velma trying to be "meta" was libslop. As the biggest most based chud in this room, it took all the way until season 3 for there to be a noticeably annoying libtard episode where Kirk is all "Yes honey I'll sleep on the couch, sorry for annoying you." It took 3 seasons to get to that. The first non-serial episode was about how religious people are based and need to be allowed to practice their religion.>captcha:KRKKM
>>214582294That's basically my thinking with this idea... >>214579374...except I wouldn't have it fall; just fracture and decline temporarily. I can imagine the massive death toll in the Dominion War causing many Fed citizens (the majority of whom may just be neets with a replicator) to question the merits of being part of this giant alliance, and turn towards Terra Prime-style isolationism. But that wouldn't be the whole show; just the starting point for/backdrop to "TNG, but tougher" adventures. Anyway, we're all wasting time devoting any creative energy to this dead-horse-in-a-dumpster-fire of an IP.
>>214582785>It's enjoyable"Enjoyable" doesn't mean good Star Trek. Picard season 3 was enjoyable, but it wasn't good, especially if one were to forget first two seasons and other KurtzmanTrek unmitigated disasters.
>>214578457NTA. If anything it's because the Chinese have this rigid fairytale worldview that is in-line with Trek. Part of Trek is the fairytale "post scarcity" of matter replicators. Like how the fairytale of the Chinese mind is "All will be provided if I just scrape and serve more and more," coupled with "Everyone follows the rules to the point that society looks like this sanitized thing because everyone MUST be in line."That being said, I'm racist to the point that a lot of Asians in America are just jews at this point. They're not bloodthirsty monsters like the swarthoids but they are shifty and subversive.
STD already did the "future sucks ass, the Federation collapsed" plot and it was retarded as hell
>>214578187Do an ENT season 5 which should be Star Trek meets Twin Peaks: The Return. TCW shenanigans cause the crew to age up but remain in the same time. Do the Earth v Romulan arc. Use the TCW to decanonize the entire Kurtzman era. This is what I would do if I was given control.
>>214582785It's largely shallow and uninspired. Where are the original scifi plots?
>>214582865That's because the writers themselves were retarded. The idea is not, and it was actually conceived by Roddenberry himself: remember Andromeda (which was formally titled Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda, BTW).
>>214578209>SNW and Lower Decks are incredibly kinoYes, sister! LOW really helped me get through transitioning. Thanks to Alex Kurtzman and Mike McMahan I became a real woman, just like you did!
>>214582844As a Star Trek normie, for all of the 10s no one cared about Trek. The movies are what fans complained about and even the good parts that normies like were because it was essentially a Marvel spectacle. Then comes Discovery with its niggers. Never watched it. No one liked it. Everyone talked about how it's jewslop. It's been decanonized (Thank God). Lower Decks was middle of the ground. Quirky in a good way but kind of faggy.Trek has not been a "thing" for 15 years. SNW is the first thing to put it back on the map in that time. That's okay. That's a good thing. >>214582890I can't remember too much of the plots, to me it's something /comfy/ to put on. I don't watch tons of stuff on my second monitor to game, but I put SNW BECAUSE it's Trek, actual Trek. There's cons about SNW, but oh well, it's okay. Enterprise was "okay" and it's better than Discovery and Lower Decks.
>>214582915Except Andromeda was shit. And it had almost nothing to do with Roddenberry, aside from some basic premise. Dude was dead for years before the show started filming. Same with Earth: Final Conflict. Majel Berret really redefined the term "golddigger". Usually this happens before the husband dies, not after.
>>214579508I don't necessarily hate all of it, but it sure isn't Star Trek, and the more they dig their heels in, the more it just kind of doesn't work.For what they are, I kind of like the Abrams trilogy of movies. I just wish they didn't form the entire stylistic foundation of every subsequent series (even the TNG revival, which by all accounts really ought to look like TNG).I don't completely hate Lower Decks. It's fine, but it's kind of staining the franchise by being an official part of it, and I liked it more when it was called Futurama.Strange New Worlds is like whatever. It's inoffensive, but it's still not what I want. It looks wrong visually, and the characters aren't very good. I don't think I've seen an episode with a really killer plot, as opposed to just a lot of okayness. We're almost back to Enterprise territory with this one, at least. Just kind of bland cardboard Star Trek, that is neither good or bad.
>>214583014>Trek has not been a "thing" for 15 years. SNW is the first thing to put it back on the mapThat hasn't happened
>>214583014>SNW is the first thing to put it back on the map in that time. That's okay. That's a good thing.Star Trek 2009 back in the day was considered a good thing too. Didn't pan out in the end (to put it mildly). Aut Caesar, aut nihil: either do something good with Star Trek, or do nothing at all. And screw brand loyalty too, I'd rather rewatch again and again season 3 of The Expanse, where the entire Abbadon's Gate plot and its ending was the most Star Trek-like thing in the past 24 years, rather than any of NuTrek.
>>214579508>There was good stuff in the Kelvin films Some, like the casting (mostly). Aside from that none of it worth mentioning.>Disco/Lower Decks/SNW.kys tranny bitch
>>214583014>SNW is the first thing to put it back on the map in that time. That's okay. That's a good thing.>Not even in Paramount top 10 streaming originals.
>>214583180all three of them are perfectly watchable action movies. That's just all they are.
