Do you prefer dark fantasy or light fantasy?
What do you call the Conan books? I prefer that.
>>216611797light fantasy for the good guys, dark fantasy for the bad guys
Dark fantasy because I'm grimdark and edgy like that Actually I prefer historical fiction with a tinge of dark fantasy but no dragons or magic or whatever
cast her
>>216611797light fantasy for the bad guys, dark fantasy for the good guys
>>216611832Sword & Sorcery, though it's closer to dark fantasy than light.
>>216611797Light. It’s much harder to make something beautiful than it is to make some thing brooding, dreary and mopey. Darkshits so overdone it’s just a pile of cliches now.
>>216611797One rarely works without the other.
>>216612145that's one reason Excalibur is so great, some beautiful shots, a castle beige DURING THE DAY, with a few dark moments sprinkled in. just a great movie.also the acting>hey bro, dont make a scene but that lady is pretty hot>ARE YOU MAD? THE ALLIAAAAAANCE!
>>216611797Pretty undessided between "dark versus light".I do prefer High Fantasy though.
For me its Space Fantasy
>>216611797Both. Light fantasy almost always has very dark, even demonic villains to provide a counterpoint for the goodness of the heroic side.
For me, it's Sword and Planet.
>>216612056Julia Butters
>>216612464whomst?
We need more sword and sorcery set on a future postapocaliptic earth
>>216612292>Both. Light fantasy almost always has very dark, even demonic villains to provide a counterpoint for the goodness of the heroic side.This, it's why Lord of The Rings is so good.
>>216611832Gay
>>216612522Look up Book of the New Sun if you havent.
>>216612582>Look up Book of the New Sun if you havent.
>>216612521That's Julia Butters. She's so hot right now.
>>216612582Thanks I will
>>216612619not the right look for Lady tho
>>216612608Tranny meme.
>>216612608>Lafferty, Wolfe, Tolkien>manchild coreNot only are you spiritually ill, you also suck at making collages. Learn to downscale, lazy nigga.
>>216614046They're books read by manchildren who want to appear smart and literary yet are afraid of reading actual literary fiction. Too dumb for the faerie queene yet too smart for sanderslop so they resort to reading gene wolfe and lafferty
>>216614172>the faerie queeneWhy can't I shake the feeling that you're some seething protestant?
>>216611797source on these?
>>216614318>manchild starts bringing up religion out of nowhereIt could be the faerie queene, orlando furioso, whatever, manchildren despise reading poetry, theatre and prose that isn't on a basic level so they resort to pretending their babby tales are literature
>>216614557yeah because poetry is fucking gaysuck my cock faggot
>>216611847this except the other way around
>>216614557The purpose of art is to bring one closer to one's creator. You overvalue (literary) form alone, which is ironic when considering you can't even put a collage together without brutally messing up multiple of the included images. Why don't you shut your lazy little mouth and leave art criticism to people who aren't pretentious hacks?
>>216612269who is this space succubus
>>216611797>tfw no optimistic solarpunk utopia kino
>>216615047Sounds like the plot for a Lifetime original chickflick set in Iowa circa 3000 AD
>>216611797Light fantasy is a more kino aesthetic and I'm tired of pretending it's not.
>>216612240One of my favorite movies. How many people the "overacting" filters is always funny to me. It's cool if that's not your thing but to act like it's some flaw of the film and not exactly the tone they were going for is just wrong. Also the clanking from the real metal suits of armor throughout the entire movie is such an immersive thing. They deserve a ton of credit for doing that without a huge budget.
>>216611797Movies with these aesthetics?
I'm drawn more to dark fantasy. Great light fantasy will always be good though
>>216615148light fantasy is just gaydark fantasy is just gay rapeboth are gayman I hate modern fantasy
>>216611797i prefer uranus
>>216611832uranus
>>216615231>Sees shit dick in everythingMaybe you're the faggot ever thought about that? Of course you do when you jerk off to shit dick porn every day
>>216611797Weird fantasy or whatever the fuck would you call Planescape setting.
>>216615345>updated my journal
>>216615345Morrowind
>>216612056Problem is her actress has to also play Soulcatcher so complete psycho bitch also has to within her range.
>>216612105Conan was the perfect middle ground. For me, storytelling has to have some basis of reality through grit and moments of darkness and brutality because it's dishonest otherwise. I really dislike LotR because it flirts with that but never anything further and it feels blueballing. Dark and gritty should NOT mean nihilistic and cynical, no way. If anything, the stakes being high and the characters being put through the ringer in a punishing world makes the subsequent lighter themes introduced later on much more potent. That's my two cents.
>>216611797Dark fantasy used to mean horror with fantasy elements like magic curses, the undead, and folklore. Vampires, mummies, monkey paws, and whatnot. Very concise and easy to understand. Now I don't know what it means. People just throw it around with no mutually understood definition of dark.
>>216612608This is bait. However, New Sun and the Darkness That Comes Before are essential incel fantasy.
>>216611797light
>>216612428Cool art.
High fantasy is gay. Manly guys prefer dark stuff.
Dark
>>216618537Im jelly of these people who are passionate about something. Never found anything that would motivate me to want to meet an author, go to a con, etc
>>216614172Spenser is so overblown, it’s crazy. His poetic rhyme scheme however…
>>216617812>Dark fantasy used to mean horror with fantasy elementsEveryone just thinks it's its own thing now but I always thought it was just another way to say fantasy horror like if sci-fi horror had its own name too. I think if we had stuck to simply calling it fantasy horror it wouldn't be so hard to define.
>>216611797A tasteful blend of both
>>216611797dark fantasy overall but light can be good too if I'm in the mood
What is some real dark fantasy kino anyway? All Ive seen is AI slop
>>216619050It doesn't exist. It was imagined to have existed by AI sloppers.
>>216611797is the joke is that both those pics are from the same source and that dark and light are just arbitrary aesthetics that a story doesn't have to bind itself to at all times?
>>216619198Doesn't light fantasy refer to high fantasy like Lord of the Rings while dark fantasy would be more like Game of Thrones? Or are they both dark fantasy and light fantasy would be more like Frozen and Tangled?
>>216611797I like a setting that can have both. I like stuff that leans into the beauty of the world as well, not just the dark and the dank.
>>216619050Berserk, Dark Souls, Army of Darkness
>>216611797>Do you prefer dark fantasy or light fantasy?what good is a light fantasy with no villain?the more terrible the villain the better the hero has to be to stop them
a good high fantasy has aspects of both
Every single Eggers movie is just going to be people whispering quietly in a British accent in a dimly lit room and we're supposed to accept this as the cumulative height of fantasy writing.I think this is why I like the star wars prequels, at least you can actually see what is on screen.
>>216614172List some actual literary fiction for us
>>216611797the Dark fantasy horse MIND BREAKING BAREBACK RAW BABY MAKING SEX with the Light fantasy snowbunny horse
>>216611797is dragonheart, and the black cauldron dark fantasy? if that's the case i prefer dark fantasy. The only light fantasy i like is snow white but the dark aspects make it more interesting
>>216612568I would not say that the LOTR is light fantasy. I'd even argue it's not really High fantasy either.
Narnia is the peak example of light fantasy.Lord of the rings is the peak example of dark fantasy.
>>216621119>I'd even argue it's not really High fantasy either.You'd lose that argument. LOTR is the fucking template for high fantasy.
>>216621119This, LOTR is too post-apocalyptic for high fantasy.
>>216621119>>216621346Bait.
I need faerie core movies
>>216611832FpbpChild me liked LOTRAdult me loves Conan and wishes to slay enemies, and seduce women>“Know, oh prince, that between the years when the oceans drank Atlantis and the gleaming cities, and the years of the rise of the Sons of Aryas, there was an Age undreamed of, when shining kingdoms lay spread across the world like blue mantles beneath the stars – Nemedia, Ophir, Brythunia, Hyperborea, Zamora with its dark-haired women and towers of spider- haunted mystery, Zingara with its chivalry, Koth that bordered on the pastoral lands of Shem, Stygia with its shadow-guarded tombs, Hyrkania whose riders wore steel and silk and gold. But the proudest kingdom of the world was Aquilonia, reigning supreme in the dreaming west. Hither came Conan, the Cimmerian, black-haired, sullen-eyed, sword in hand, a thief, a reaver, a slayer, with gigantic melancholies and gigantic mirth, to tread the jeweled thrones of the Earth under his sandalled feet.”– The Nemedian Chronicles.Kino
>>216621499What is the best Conan kino that exists in any medium
Is there any fantasy in a setting with no magic in a pre-modern society but in a different world from our own with alternate humans or beings building different societies? I've been curious about this since I've been thinking about how various real-life cultures would have developed without influence from core civilizations like Rome or China
>>216612608Reading fiction is for fags.
>>216615174>What's this!?One of the most epic scenes in film history.
>>216621529Severance Blade of Darkness
Dark fantasy because I'm edgy faggotalso I just like the whole "ideal age collapses under the weight of human flaws" thing that shit like Berserk and Excalibur goes for
>>216611797Light, but honestly a mix of both is good. I'd like something that's a mix of Legend, Neverending Story, and Lord of the Rings
>>216611797>>>/tg/ is that way>>216621499>Kid me likes childish fantasies>Adult me likes childish fantasies, but with tits
>>216621100I'd say dark for Black Cauldron because of the Horned King, the undead rising scene and the general tone of the movie when they're in the big bad's castle. I'd lean towards low fantasy for Dragonheart.
>>216621529The original Howard stories are the absolute best like Tower of the Elephant, Red Nails, The Frost-Giants Daughter, and Queen of the Black Coast
>>216612269nice art
>>216611797I prefer goon fantasy
>>216614172What a disingenuous take. There's no chance one of these "literary" works you're referring to is a fantasy novel so you're essentially just saying all fantasy (and very likely all genre fiction) is juvenile and not worthwhile reading but masking it as a critique of these specific books because you're really just attacking genre fiction that appeals to straight men in particular. If pressed, you're examples of "literary" and "worthwhile" books will no doubt be inane exercises in prose pretention that fail to capture any lyrical beauty and instead are hollow masturbations on atheism and the supposed pointlessness of human life and ideals like Samuel Becket, Albert Camus, and Frederick Nietzsche before possibly progressing into jewish degeneracy filled with more atheism and possibly corporphilia such as Thomas Pynchon. If pressed to provide an actual "genre" tale it will be nothing more than the flavor of the week book by a minority female about how her life is the hardest, her ex-boyfriend the worst, and how Jesus Christ, White Men, and America are the cause of all problems and some subpar dish from her home country that she's never actually eaten holds the true meaning of life. If forced to provide nonfiction examples you'll name check some sanguine Holocaust propaganda or communist drivel while completely failing to even consider something actually useful like The Forgotten Art of building a Stone Wall or How to Refrigerate Food Without Electricity, and if someone were to suggest the most important book of all, The Bible, you would drop any pretention of intellect and begin lashing out with the crudest remarks while frothing at the mouth in anger.
>>216621291It could still be true but I believe you're right
Dark low fantasy and light high fantasy both have their merits, but things start getting gay when they cross paths. Either it's a miserable "survival of the fittest" setting full of war and rape and death and disease and betrayal, abandoned by its creator(s), or God Himself is personally guiding the hero on his journey every step of the way. Keep the tone and rules consistent one way or the other, no Berserk Fantasia arc nonsense.>>216611832Sword and Sorcery.>>216617787Conan and most S&S settings are dark low fantasy, full of evil men and monsters, but not many instances of rampant high magic, other than people like Thulsa Doom who are the exception. Conan (the character) just has a very Nietzschean worldview, especially in how he interprets Crom and the Riddle of Steel.>>216620956TES vidya is the only IP I've seen do grey high fantasy well. Even its gods aren't strictly good or evil, just embodiments of ideas, all dreamed up by the godhead (Lorkhan). Clever way to write an RPG to allow for any sort of player choice.
>>216611797Lord of the Rings > dark fantasy > high fantasytoo much of high fantasy is derivative because writers are all Tolkien copycats
>>216615345Planescape isn't a setting it's like 30 settings glued together
>>216614172stick to your porn novels roastie
>>216611797I prefer epic lvl
>>216611797Pulp fantasy, no doubtdark fantasy is mostly just insufferable trayhard shit, or anti-Tolkien contrarian shit."light fantasy" is for the major part either Toklien wannabe borefest or dogshit D&D salad.Doesn't help that most modern fantasy has trite coming of age teen shit all over it and/or is a stupid guided tour of the author's map of totally cool locations.
>>216623015I think you're confusing low/high and dark/light fantasy, classic D&D was dark as fuck
>>216622673>writers are all Tolkien copycatsI think too many writers are trying to write the next LOTR when they should be focused on writing The Hobbit first. The epic "fate of the world" battle is meaningless if that world and the people in it are meaningless.
>>216612269>Space FantasyAs long as it's not SW wannabe
>>216612428>>216618496I love both of you
>>216611797both.
Medium fantasy. Not even trolling, I want full spectrum morality.
>>216618537Dark shit is for manchildren
>>216615345>Let's make multiple philosophies into universes/factions setting
>>216620998>I like the star wars prequels.....At least you don't suck hack Eggers' cock
>>216621346>post-apocalypticThat's Shannara
>>216615174Watching excalibur in the childhood made me fall in love with that kind of bigass armor.
>>216622263Found the woman
>>216614172> faerie queeneYou’d have to be a special sort of tryhard pseud to actully read all 1,200 pages of that
>>216623091classic D&D has't existed for ages
>>216612608Man children have good taste.
>>216612608Tolkien and the first Dune book are hopemaxxed and wonderpilled, kys
>>216622263Me on the right
>King Casmir rose abruptly to his feet. He tossed a purse upon the table. "That will reimburse your services.>Shimrod turned out the purse. Five golden crowns rolled forth. They became five golden butterflies which fluttered into the air and circled the parlor. The five became ten, twenty, fifty, a hundred. All at once they dropped to cluster upon the table, where they became a hundred gold crowns.>Shimrod took five of the coins, returned them to the purse, which he placed in his pouch. "I thank your majesty."Lyonesse was kino.
>>216612608based
>>216611797I heard of dark fantasy but not light fantasy, sounds gay
>>216611797light fantasy. it's already becoming darker irl everywhere i look.
Whats that genre of fantasy that is pretty much just historical stuff with a different map and names? Maybe some magic flavor like ASOIAF or The Witcher
>>216624458Conan easily. It’s better than gurm’s shitty writing.
>>216614639>>216614738>>216617877>>216621559>>216622971>>216623433>>216623513The manchild reveals his true form.Too smart for shit like sanderson, too dumb for actual adult literature, he retreats to a world of infantile fantasies where he can pretend his bloated novel about a torturer in a mask swinging his sword around or his bad western about cowboys raping each other is "literature" and "high art" while actually rejecting true high art. >>216622378The vast majority of genre fiction is juvenile and not worth reading, yes>DUDE LITERARY FICTION IS JUST LEFT WING ATHEIST SLOP????How are Dante, Milton, Shakespeare left wing atheistic degenerates? Is this how you cope by being too dumb to read poetry and drama?>>216623349You have to be a special kind of retard to be filtered by one of the most influential works of poetry ever writtenSpenser isn't beowulf, he isn't chaucer, he is perfectly understandable and legible to people with an understanding of english literature and the english language, which you clearly don't have.
>>216621370Post-apocalyptic is a bit strong (for 3rd era middle earth anyway), it's more accurate to call it post-war. Pay attention next time you read it, Tolkien's WWI experiences are just lurking beneath the surface, even outside the dead marshes.
>>216611797Dark low fantasy is the best.Lovecraftian basically.Dark low = berzerk (golden arc)>basedLight high = lord of the rings>cringe and gay
>>216624817you have to be 18 to post here
>>216623015Warhammer 40k fits pulp fantasy better. Either that or Arventure Time and Terraria.D&d doesn't have that much sci-fi last time I checked.
>>216624848Lotr is gay bro. I watched it and it didn't match the hype.Seethe fag.
We have grimdark (40k), nobledark (LotR), noblebright (classic Star Trek), but what are some examples of the much less talked about grimbright?
I'm glad this thread is up because I've been reading Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser recently. Seriously underrated. Higly recommended to any anons posting about Sword and Sorcery itt
The only dark I like is when I turn out the lights
>>216624899Age of Sigmar I guess?
>>216624458>just historical stuff with a different map and names?Alternate history? Thats even gayer than light high fantasy.>The WitcherDark high fantasy.Dark - rape, sex, drugs, death, tortureHigh - magic & magical creatures are constantly being shown.
>>216624458what, you mean something like tigana?
>>216624899Lotr isn't dark fantasy lol.Also, what the fuck does noble mean in this context?
>>216624968It’s a dual axis similar to dnd alignments. Light/dark refers to the state of the world in general while noble/grim refers to the qualities of the characters within the setting. Lord of the Rings is considered ‘nobledark’ because by that point in the 3rd age the world is a shadow of its former self filled with monsters of all sorts, an evil dark lord that wants to conquer everything, and life is generally not that great for most people, but the main characters are noble people who have good and true convictions and are fighting against this state of affairs. Star Trek (TOS and TNG era) are noblebright because it’s a bunch of principled moral people from what essentially a utopia who are fighting to keep it that way.
>>216624929Actually thinking about it I think prequel era Star Wars fits the designation pretty well.
>>216624638>IQ filtered
>>216617699>>216612056A bit too old now but I think she would have been a decent pick.
>>216612042So something like Vampyr? I really should get back to playing that game someday.
>>216622649>TES vidya is the only IP I've seen do grey high fantasy well. Even its gods aren't strictly good or evil, just embodiments of ideas, all dreamed up by the godhead (Lorkhan).Lorkhan is not the Godhead, and plus the whole Godhead thing is really not that relevant to the setting while Lorkhan very much is. Even if you accept Michael Kirkbride's out-of-game lore that Lorkhan and Akatosh are the same being and the "true main god" of the setting then not even that would be the Godhead itself.As far as TES's regular gods go, both Aedra and Daedra have their own wills and both are outside of mortal morality. The greyness also comes in the fact that the mortal races genuinely don't know which god is doing what so they each have their own interpretation of who the gods are. Some mix two gods into one while others recognize multiple aspects of a god that others consider singular. For example, High Elves and Imperials are enemies but they both share the Aedra of time as their chief god. Now technically there was an event where these two aspects got split into two distinct gods (Auriel and Akatosh repsectively), but before that, they were presumably one and the same god. Conversely, Nords see the Aedra of time as the world-ending destroyer god (which was unfortunately also split into its own thing and dumbed down later on).
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>>216624447I guess light fantasy is just normal fantasy
>>216624850>Warhammer 40k fits pulp fantasy better. Either that or Arventure Time and Terraria.Eh not what I had in mind. I was just casting a net to get Sword and sorcery, Conan like stuff, planetary fantasy, Juhn Carter and all that stuff>D&d doesn't have that much sci-fi last time I checked.D&D is just an awful dumpster of every fantasy and sci-fantasy to ever exist. Has been for ages
>>216611797dark fantasy?? more like hey who turned out the lights! i'm walkin here! heh heh
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>>216626365>implying I don't fw bothYou're giving teenage midwit vibes, my dude.
>>216626357LOL
>>216626456Midwits who don't read are incredibly fond of gene wolfe, manchild>Overall, I found nothing unique in Wolfe. Perhaps it's because I've read quite a bit of odd fantasy; if all I read was mainstream stuff, then I'd surely find Wolfe unpredictable, since he is a step above them. But compared to Leiber, Howard, Dunsany, Eddison, Kipling, Haggard, Peake, Mieville, or Moorcock, Wolfe is nothing special.>Perhaps I just got my hopes up too high. I imagined something that might evoke Peake or Leiber (at his best), perhaps with a complexity and depth gesturing toward Milton or Ariosto. I could hardly imagine a better book than that, but even a book half that good would be a delight--or a book that was nothing like that, but was unpredictable and seductive in some other way.>I kept waiting for something to happen, but it never really did. It all plods along without much rise or fall, just the constant moving action to make us think something interesting is happening. I did find some promise, some moments that I would have loved to see the author explore, particularly those odd moments where Silver Age Sci Fi crept in, but each time he touched upon these, he would return immediately to the smallness of his plot and his annoying prick of a narrator. I never found the book to be difficult or complex, merely tiring. the unusual parts were evasive and vague, and the dull parts constant and repetitive.>The whole structure (or lack of it) does leave things up to interpretation, and perhaps that's what some readers find appealing: that they can superimpose their own thoughts and values onto the narrator, and onto the plot itself. But at that point, they don't like the book Wolfe wrote, they like the book they are writing between his lines.
>>216626707>Then there is the fact that every character you meet in the story turns up again, hundreds of miles away, to reveal that they are someone else and have been secretly controlling the action of the plot. It feels like the entire world is populated by about fifteen people who follow the narrator around wherever he goes. If the next two books continue along the same lines, then the big reveal will be that the world is entirely populated by no more than three superpowered shapeshifters.>Everyone in the book has secret identities, secret connections to grand conspiracies, and important plot elements that they conveniently hide until the last minute, only doling out clues here and there. There are no normal people in this world, only double agents and kings in disguise. Every analysis I've read of this book mentions that even the narrator is unreliable.>This can be an effective technique, but in combination with a world of infinite, unpredictable intrigue, Wolfe's story begins to evoke something between a soap opera and a convoluted mystery novel, relying on impossible and contradictory scenarios to mislead the audience. Apparently, this is the thing his fans most appreciate about him--I find it to be an insulting and artificial game.>I agree with this reviewer that there is simply not enough structure to the story to make the narrator's unreliability meaningful. In order for unreliable narration to be effective, there must be some clear and evident counter-story that undermines it. Without that, it is not possible to determine meaning, because there's nowhere to start: everything is equally shaky.>At that point, it's just a trick--adding complexity to the surface of the story without actually producing any new meaning. I know most sci fi and fantasy authors seem to love complexity for its own sake, but it's a cardinal sin of storytelling: don't add something into your story unless it needs to be there.
>>216626707If you can't see depth in Wolfe, it's because you're dumb to see it. Not my problem. The way you freely mix up "manchild" and "midwit" also suggests you aren't the brightest.
>>216626720You are an insecure midwit. Wolfe was an engineer. That's what seems to be the issue here.
>>216626720>In order for unreliable narration to be effective, there must be some clear and evident counter-story that undermines it.Part of the unreliable narration accentuates the cosmic dimensions of the story; the other part is due to the story being written in the form of a memoir and speaks of guilt and denial.
>>216626365The night land has a great great concept but the execution is the definition of godawful
>>216611797Berserk ruined dark fantasy for me and LOTR ruined light fantasy for me, I can't enjoy either. I'm tired of highland Western European dramas and fantasy altogether, need more American kino.
>>216611797Light fantasy (especially of the high fantasy variety), because it's peak kino.
>>216626822>>216627011>>216627277>>216627281Manchildren who think babby's first used of unreliable narrator detectedStop reading genre slop. Grow up
>>216627309>American kino Read Oz or John Carter
>>216620365army of darkness is comedy and the other 2 are japanese slop
Urban Fantasy, the kind that David Lynch made and that no one else manages to capture because they convince themselves it's "psychological horror".
I prefer a dark aesthetic but light tone. Game of Thrones is miserable for example and I don't like it. But Black Cauldron looks dark but isn't miserable so it's good.
>>216627484Dark Souls is pretty kino. What piece of fantasy media made since it's release even compares?
>>216619050Someone could make a legit dark fantasy using AI to help with the special effects. Most of it is normal SFX or practical effects, but then AI generated stuff for when there is dark magic being used.
>>216624489You never read ASOIAF kek
>>216622649Based post, i've consumed my fair share of fantasy and after a while you can become fatigued because most of it was inspired from the same source material / folk lore, and you end up favouring some and rolling your eyes at others. I sometimes wonder if it boils down to what order you consumed the media in, as every new series ive read, played or generally got into has had to push the boundaries to stand out from what ive already consumed. I too am quite a fan of TES lore. Considering its vidya and was written mostly by a developer on an LSD session im surprised at how well written and deep it is. Lotr copy cats are what fatigue me the most at this point. Warhammer also has some fantastic lore, as does the game Kenshi, in fact Kenshi might be some of the most soulful world building ive ever come across. As empty and bleak as it is there's something about it that just has that originality. Although maybe not fair to call it fantasy.
>>216611797Dark, my life is already good.
>>216612056not an acceptable character for today's media landscape, no producers are going to make the lady look like a 17 year old girl and bang an old man. in any case i hope the series never gets an adaptation.>>216611832dark fantasy or low fantasy
>>216612056Glen Cook clearly stole her design from Sapkowski.
>>216623007>an earth-sized planet would have toughly 122,880 HPthat seems... low
>>216624725"post-apocalyptic" wasn't the bait part, it's the suggestion that the grandfather of modern high fantasy isn't high fantasy.
It used to be Dark Fantasy but there's so fucking much of it it's gotten quite boring now, I swear if I see another Soulslop game I will do nothing about it.
I like this stuff
>>216612608>>216624638>>216614172Posts like these always appear after a work has been discussed for some time. Pure 4chan instinct. Milton is politically motivated. Dante is way too politically motivated. Their works are mired in salty bitch. Both of them bare some of the blame for dumbing down spirituality and creating the pew sitter Christians obsessed with Satan we have to live with today. Women brained posts.
>>216611797Dark, specially 80s movies, they also have lots of "ligh" fantasy looking scenes though
>>216611797I want to watch fantasy again.Got any suggestions, light or dark?
>>216614172Meanwhile you read fiction about getting raped by werewolves, roastie.
>>216612464nice, she needs more roles outside comedies
>>216629901Midwit cope thinking his genre slop is better than milton and danteFiltered>>216630002Cope
>>216611797These pics are both just standard fantasy though. There's no such thing as Light Fantasy. What people call Dark Fantasy is usually just fantasy with protagonists who start from a point of failure, or who are everyday ignorant people instead of demigods. You'd be surprised about all the horrible things that happen in this book, but I've never heard anyone call it Dark Fantasy..
I prefer fantasy that is neatly wrapped up in a single novel or sticks the landing after no more than three books. I don't have the time to invest in bloated franchises or incomplete promises.
Whatever doesn't involve a gratuitous amount of child rape, incest, scat, and gore.
>>216611797i prefer anal
>>216630427You know that you don't have to read everything, right? You are not obligated, there's no law against that. kekI only read the first Dune book and it was great. I don't have to read the others.
>>216630517Imagine reading the first LOTR book and being like "that was great" and not reading the others.You can be forgiven for stopping after Sauron is defeated, though.
>>216630427Isn't it The Chronicles of Prydain in the pic? Then it's five books, not three, let alone one.
>>216630517But I want to read about the dream fantasy worlds (the coolest ones) that writers whipped up.
>>216611797If we're talking about reading, then urban fantasy. Movies? Very dependent on the movie as the vast majority of fantasy in tv and movies is shit.
>>216630552The difference is that Lord of the Rings was written as one book in one go, the ending always laid out after the story. Dune was written the same way, and the "sequel" novels are middling add ons.after the first book's completion. Dune Messenger and Children are half the size of Dune!As an aside, I have a friend who has inexplicably only read Butlerian Jihad and the other Herbert's Son books and has never read Dune. It's insane.
>>216631357>As an aside, I have a friend who has inexplicably only read Butlerian Jihad and the other Herbert's Son books and has never read Dune.That's a fucking first. What the fuck is his reasoning? "I like the cover more, so I started there"? Bloody hell
>>216612056I would like to know more. Who is she?
>>216631457Someone from The Black Company.
>>216630879So you like Lovecraft and Clark Ashton Smith, then?
>>216631393I truly don't know. The rest of his shelf is all historical, military, and archeology books. He might have just come upon them randomly without knowing what Dune is. It happens.
>>216631554I guess that makes sense. I hope he reads the first four and realize how fucking dogshit tier is everything else
I don't really know what to read these days, so I don't. Any suggestions?
>>216626009Definitely too old. Lady is supposed to look "barely of age" so much so it's almost disturbing to see her with a middle aged guy like Croaker.
>>216626365>zothiqueI have never read that. what's it about?
>>216632164Necromancers in an Arabian Nights-inspired super far-off future
>>216632322Naruhodo.
>>216611797Light fantasy is definitely more interesting.I want to see complicated political systems and corruption, war and starvation are boring.
>>216611832Conan's style of story is sword and sorcery. The fantastic elements would count as heroic fantasy. if the main character beats the shit out of the monster, it's heroic fantasy.
>>216621499people tend to overlook how well written the good pulps were
>>216611797Define both of these terms and cite the authoritative sources that establish them as commonly understood across the fantasy community.
>>216615174Excalibur is very theatrical, theatre. It even has a scene where once Percival has no more lines he just bows his head down while still being on stage as if his part his over and now has to act like a background object, utter kino.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1MuvvS_xSw
>>216632661You say that because the only pulps anyone ever bring up are the ones that are considered good, the bad ones get forgotten about and aren't ever reprinted
>>216631457a young Lady wearing a jaunty tri-corner hat
>>216632132at one point Dushku wanted to play her and produce the series (or w/e the ended up doing) now she's way too old too and retired from acting anyway
>>216632706Nta but he clearly said the good pulps which yes are 100x better than any fantasy made in the last 40 years
>>216612619Too old
>>216614660That how we got all this wicked and new wizard of oz type shit you nigger.
>>216612608I have read 0 of these boooks but I love fantasy:0
>>216632830What are some good pupls. Someone recommended Throne of Bones by Brian McNaughton while ago, and I thought it was great. But I have no idea how to locate these books. Every book site is an ocean of "4.9/5 star" garbage, it's impossible to use them to find out which books are worth reading or not.
>>216631620I dunno. I thought they were alright generic sci-fi. The take on the butlerian jihad is pretty cool. Nothing like what it SHOULD be, given what little we're told about it in Dune, but as a stand-alone it's not terrible. Actually, you'd enjoy those books more if you never read the mainline Dune books. So I guess that guy had the right approach.
>>216630047>milton and danteMilton is Bible fanfic, and Dante is way more dated (amount of contemporaries he put into it makes sure of that) than people want to admit. You are a pseud.
>>216632694I always saw that him just collapsing in utter exhausation after his long ass quest is finally over and now Arthur is immediately telling them all to suit up and prepare for battle, poor guy is just tired
cast them
>>216634507Kane by Karl Edward Wagner Conan, Kull, and Solomon Kane by Robert E. Howard Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser by Fritz Leiber Elric by Michael Moorcock
>nice
>>216622060Dilate
>>216634661Filtered
I like the fake roman empire core
Sword and Sorcery. Grimdark is shit and light is boring.
For me it's:
>>216635250Okay, pleb.
>>216635479Absolute top tier choice
just go to venice and adapt thisno expensive cgi needed
>>216635499Manchild
>>216635577Seethe harder, pleb. You have absolutely no fucking taste and fell for "old thing good" like some complete newfag. Your posts reek of effeminacy.
This one is the last one that I really loved.Would make a good film.
I hate fantasy and sci fi. Doesnt help the liberals have complety destroyed both genres.
>>216635551except for all the old alien architecture
>>216611797A bit of both honestly. Having a good mix of dark and light helps keep things interesting.
>>216611797I like both. The n64 zelda games capture both decently
>>216611797I prefer my fantasy realistic and mature. I am partial to the style of fantasy found in George R.R. Martin's works and similar.I am not fond of absurd childish nonsense. How can one become invested in the plot if there is to be arbitrary magics which save the day whenever the plot calls for it? How am I to even understand or accept such a world?You could ask why would I enjoy fantasy at all if this is the case but this question is bias and full of fallacies. I enjoy being taken to a world other than our own and feasible and plausible magics can be integrated for some interesting spice. However, they must be bound by coherent rules.Tolkein is a classic example of boundless nonsense. Whenever things appear as though they may be dangerous or dire some wonderous impossibility swoops in to swing everything back in the so-called "heroes" favor.
>>216635743the alien is just there as nerdbait and irrelevant to the plot unlike with bakker. the author himself probably doesn't know how to handle that plotline
>>216612619Shes like 15 walking looking like that.
>>216635479It's just not that good until Pratchett finds out what kind of world he's making.
>>216630427Unless you're a disney only turd Prydain was five books, and all five were on point.
>>216612056here your Lady bro, got a time machine?
>>216635551This seems interesting, so give it to me straight, will I like it if I read it as an adult or did I really need to be 13 to fully enjoy it? Is it even fantasy at all?
>>216635916i'm almost afraid to look up what she looks like now
>>216635479I remembner hating this and his works until I read hogfather which I also hated, but then it clicked towards the middle. But he is reddit the author though. His style of humour attracts the worst types of weirdos.
>>216635918Yeah you're fine to read it as adult, it's not uber childish
>>216635918It's more mature than the Rothfuss stuff. There's no academy type YA plot.
>>216612105Dark and light fantasy existed when they were written?
>>216635916>all that babyfat on her faceneeds buccal fat removal desu
>>216631457No, you don't. Go read the Black Company instead.
>>216636245Why are you talking about Terry Pratchett?
>>216635962 #His books are pretty hit and miss in general>Everything before Reaper Man feels pretty meh save from a couple of books>The standalones books are alright after RM and half good / half meh before>All the Wizards book sucks and Wizards plotlines drag the books they cameo in down. Even Rincewind. Especially Rincewind.>Witches books are great except the chapters not focusing on either Nanny or Granny, oops that's 50% of the book gone>Death books are overrated as FUCK except Reaper Man (minus the wizard plot)>Guards books are all great except the first one and until the dementia settles in.>Moist is cool until the last book>Tiffany books are underrated, they're like witches book you don't need to skip half the pages of.The best one from each series? Night Watch, Lords and Ladies, Reaper Man, Making Money, Unseen Academical (by default as it sucks sliiiiiiightly less than all the other wizards books), I Shall Wear MidnightYou know which standalone is the best, I don't need to say it, you don't need to hear it.
What is this Black Company shit. First time i'm hearing about it.
>>216636336It's about a mercenary company that gets contracted by The Lady, who is basically Sauron, to help her take down a Rebellion in her landIt's told from the perspective of the company's Historical chronicler, so it's rather in the mud and shit of the camping against this Rebellion.It's a rather influential series
>>216635962>But he is reddit the author though.Sadly true, but I cope by saying that reddit copied him, not the other way around. Douglas adams is insufferable though.
>>216636336>>216636405one of the original grimdark fantasy series
>>216611797I prefer a quest where the good guys turn the left world into the right world.
>>216636336a very long series that falls off tracking low-fantasy gritty adventure, it inspired berserk.
>>216611797I think elements of both reinforce the other but on the whole the light fantasy aesthetic is so enchanting
>>216636470IDK, it's not that Grimdark at least compared to later series
>>216636421I dont want to bash him since his style of humour was quite charming for its time, but man his fans are insufferable.
>>216636527maybe more at the time it originally came out vs now but I'm not really interested in arguing about it
>>216630427Literally every fantasy writer tries to be 2nd Tolkien.
>>216636552Black Company is still worth a read for its more grunt eye view of a fantasy war, but it's not what i would call Grimdark, at least the first three books.
>>216636624the old codger is still cranking them out, latest one just came out last month icymi
>>216626357Pretty good. Pretty good.
>>216629231How? There's no character like this in Witcher
>>216636645 I knew he was doing some Noir Pi series, didn't realise he was still making Black Company books
>>216611797sauce on the pic?
>>216611797I like both equally
>>216635250correct
>>216611797Dark fantasy and urban fantasy are the only fantasy genres that aren't completely boring
>>216636945It's AI.
>>216636493Then they wouldn't be good guys
>>216634343no no he meant to do it good not bad.
>>216637471I was afraid of that
I'm not autistic and obsessed with retarded genre labels so I like whatever fantasy is well-written and engaging.
>>216612292kino film
>>216612608Meryn Peake doesn't really belong here, it's clear that the person who included it has never read his work, and it damages the integrity of the whole image.True Manchild is just watching the second and third LOTR films for the big (and very gay) battles.
>>216629901>it's another Christian thinks discussion of amorality is amoral episodephilistine burger
>>216639215Every time I hear someone say this about any type of media, I just assume they're a sheep that likes whatever gets popular.
>>216640286In this case he's right, most of the fantasy subgenres are based on personal vibes without a strict definition. Traditionally as literary genres, the distinction between high and low fantasy was whether or not it took place in a secondary world. Dark fantasy was horror with fantasy elements. Now they're just vague aesthetics.
