Not enough snark, quips and subversion.

But to be absolutely honest, critics hate it because there's no black people or gays.

I don’t know how movies are culture

>>216980663
jimbo turned it around with mai waifu varang

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>>216980679
They are but only when you are twelve.

>>216980663
can the navi even spell navi

>>216980679
Because people spend a lot of their time consuming media, including you.

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pic related is how all navi write their name

they cant spell nor do they understand the concept of writing

>>216980679
They become part of the cultural consciousness. You could stand on a ship with your arms spread out or say "I am your father" and immediately people who haven't even seen the movies you're referencing will know what you're talking about. They get parodied and inspire future works. They are quoted and phrases from them become part of the cultural vocabulary.

>>216980663
I'm not sure I could name 5 movie IPs that are CURRENTLY more relevant.
Even fucking star wars is slipping hard.
Do kids even want licensed toys anymore if they aren't video games or Lego?

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>>216980663
>cultural impact
>culturally irrelevant
It's literally the same as "This is extremely dangerous to our democracy" that MSM parroted a few year ago. Grifters gonna grift.

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>>216980748
oops sorry that was a picture of my estrogen prescription

this is actually the style they write in

>>216980700
i feel retarded for actually reading half of that 'comic'. fucking hell, everyone that makes 'comics' thinks they have something witty and important to communicate to the world when they're just dopes that are good at drawing.

>>216980780

the only people buying toys these days are manchildren millennials and their chungus partners
kids don't play with toys or collect them because they're 24/7 in roblox, tiktok or watching some streamer

>>216980757
>>216980742
Some people don’t watch movies thoughever

It doesn't have to be, they make most of their money in brown countries. It's the Transformers of the zoomer generation and that's ok

>>216980835
You don't have to read books to know how Sherlock Holmes is.

Because it's a movie for boomers still impressed by 3d glasses to basedjak over for 3 hours before promptly memoryholing everything that happened in it

>>216980663
>Avatar is so culturally irrelevant I have to seethe about it for 16 years while it makes billions
Okay.

If you just watch stuff that's culturally relevant to normies you'll miss out on so many cool things. Avatar's world might not be as popular as Star Wars or Warhammer but it's a treat to real sci-fi fans that appreciate its imagined ecosystems and tribes. It would've been better if the final version wasn't dumbed down so much though.

>>216980863
>YOU CAN'T POST ABOUT MOVIES YOU THINK ARE RETARDED1!!!!11
>JUST BE A FELLOW SLOP ENJOYER!!!11

>>216980863
Lil bro think he is getting a part of those profits

>>216980906
So you only like movies that are culturally relevant then?
Was Wicked your favorite movie of 2025?

>IF ITS GOOD THEN WHERE ARE MUH FUNKO POPS?

>>216980863
>SAAAAAAAAAR LOOK AT THE NUMBER BENCHOD BUSTARD!!!!!!
Why are disneybrowns like this?

>>216980854
He’s not a real person and people don’t really care. There’s no society of detectives following his example

>>216980961
Do you know how many dumb women attempted a career in forensic analytics due to those books?

No normie could tell you a single character's name or what the series is about.

>>216980924
>Was Wicked your favorite movie of 2025?
i'm 35 and no longer have the attention span to watch a movie...i think they're all a waste of time

>>216981003
The paradox is that Avatar is way bigger than W*rhammer yet the Avatar fandom is fairly niche while W*rhammer fans are everywhere and invade everything

>>216981003
>No normie could tell you a single character's name or what the series is about.
as a normie i can confirm. at least i hope i'm a normie.

>>216980663
It has nothing you want to keep after the movie ends.
Kong vs Godzilla is also a fast food movie. Hell, count Kong and Godzilla individually themselves.
But at least you leave the theater thinking those are some badass monsters, kids will get their toys, and you wanna see them in more movies or videogames.
Avatar just has indigenous blue people, probably appealing to fetishists but not a concept 99% of people will get behind.
That's it, blue Pocahontas.


The narrative and quality of the storytelling / direction either isn't good enough. The Titanic isn't even that known because of the sinking ship itself, but it lives on in the minds of millions because of it being a big romance movie, the favorite of women. It happens to include a disaster but it stands on its own as a romance movie with the sad ending.

Cameron could have tried some powerful narrative like that and make Avatar legendary too but he didn't, Zootopia is more of an interspecies romance icon than Avatar.

Let me say, I think Avatar could be culturally relevant if there existed a massive AAA single player open world game like Skyrim,Witcher 3 or Red Dead Redemption 2 based on Pandora.
Let us travel that gigantic massive world and have adventures on it. Then nerds at least would get into the movies to better enjoy said videogame, and it could get an HBO series or something.

>>216981033
>talks about wasting time
>posts on 4chan

>>216980863
I mean yes. Something being popular for being unpopular / forgotten isn't anything new, and we're right to seethe that some trash nobody knows SOMEHOW is the top grossing. Feels unearned, or at the very least, weird. Like something is off in the matrix, God fumbled this one part of our world.

>>216981137
What is there to see?

>jungles
>more jungles
>pacific atols
>volcano
>a couple of floating rocks

that's it
every navi village is the same. I bet they'd just give you fetch quests for idk three-ended bananas or smooth pineapples or something

>>216981188
What are you niggerbabbling about?

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Explain this then, hmmmm?

>>216981192
I don't even remember the movies I just watched 1 decades ago and seethed when I realized it became the highest grossing movie ever, then I read 2 was more of the same


But I read some guy ranting that the Avatar world is supposedly very rich and varied, full of quirky things? I was giving it the benefit of doubt.
It's a very standard fantasy world to have jungle area, fire area, water, desert, that stuff. It's not a negative. But supposedly it has weird conscious veins, or rideable weird animals as travel methods..? Maybe creature some monsters and creative weapons to use and level.
Delve into lore by finding stuff.

MAKE IT HAVE THE BEST GRAPHICS EVER, like Crysis when it released back then.
I didn't like Avatar and this could be a fun game, I like colorful worlds. Although I think the new Tomb Raider game will scratch that itch.

>>216980663
>A.V club
Let me guess, far lefty propaganda website?

>>216981273

three movies in and we've seen like 5 land animals, three air animals and idk ... 3-4 sea animals. that's it.

>>216981033
>35 year old with ADHD
Yikes.

>>216981293
"Culturally Irrelevant" sounds like a leftoid cope phrase like "media literacy", so probably. They invent butthurt phrases when people like things they don't like.

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>>216980815
>i feel retarded
Seems accurate
>for actually reading half of that 'comic'
Zoomie attention span no less
>fucking hell, everyone that makes 'comics' thinks they have something witty and important to communicate to the world when they're just dopes that are good at drawing.
And a contrarian too, you fit right in here.
Lurk moar and you'll realize it perfectly captures the /tv/ vibe. it's a stupid vibe yes, but all the same.
Replace Pirates 3 with Revenge of the Sith and it's current.

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>>216981297
It could be the onset of Ass Burgers tho.

Reminder the whole 'culturally irrelevant' shit comes entirely from Marvel drones

>>216980663
16 years of not realizing you live in a bubble award

>>216981338
caught me. technically i am a newfag since i've only been here since 2009.

>>216981293
>>216981314
??? James Cameron is the closest thing to a left-wing blockbuster director
Avatar is woke as fuck.

It's the biggest money laundering scam in modern Hollywood.

>>216981391
It really doesn't tho.
Nor is your Marvel Haet fresh or interesting. It's the trendy thing with movie critics tho.
I say that recognizing that a good number of them have been bad recently.

The main reason why it is culturally irrelevant is because it's just Dances With Wolves in space. It has nothing to say except
>colonialism bad
>military bad
>capitalism bad
>whaling bad
>environmentalism good
And these aren't original ideas. Everyone watches this movie to have keys jangled in their face, comprehend the surface level themes, and then leave without having behind affected in the slightest.

>>216980663
The movies just aren't a big source of references or influences, and usually discussion of them completely disintegrates after they air in the theaters. That's pretty odd for such massively successful movies. When you look at Titanic, another James Cameron movie, which used to be the highest grossing movie of all time, that shit was referenced non-stop and is still discussed fairly often.
There's just nothing to latch onto with Avatar IMO. People go there to experience Pandora while not really caring about the actual storylines or characters.

>>216981402
I could tell you I've been here longer, and you just sound like a newfag. And like everyone else on 4chan, I have a 9" dick, make 6 figures as a STEM engineer, have a hot wife and 4 loving children.
Seriously tho. Repress your faggotry levels.

>>216981405
There is nothing woke about avatar at all.

>>216981454
>that shit was referenced non-stop
"Evil bitch throws diamond into Ocean" meme ls not cultural relevancy.
I am 99% sure you confuse relevancy with "I own toys of it" or "I quote it stupidly irl".

>>216981441
I feel like even those themes could make for a culturally relevant movie with a better director or writer.

Like, prison movies are a dime in a dozen, but Stephen King somehow wrote 2 God tier ones. The Green Mile and Shawshank Redemption. The character work is just top tier.
Lately in the horror department we got Sinners and Welcome to Derry as mostly RACISM BAD stories, but they were so powerfully done they both punched me in the gut, if the Black Spot scene from Derry had happened on the big screen it'd be a contender for movie of the year on shock alone.

You could write a tighter story about the human befriending the blue indians and the evil white men eventually causing a massacre, if you write it well enough, it would be a movie people talk about as powerful even in 2025

>>216981454
Titanic is a movie about a real event that happened, with eccentric human characters on a boat. Avatar is a movie about giant blue people in the woods on another planet. There is a massive difference in how relatable they are to humans.

>>216981045
>Avatar is way bigger than
Avatar is completely astroturfed. No one is seeing this crap. People only saw the first one because of the novelty, which was 16 years ago. Have you ever heard anyone out in the world ever talk about these movies, especially the sequels?

>>216980663
Not enough killing. It's PG. Literally the only reason.

>>216981564
Thousands of both normal people and blue people die in these movies.

>>216981539
>He thinks Green Mile and Shawshank are the only great prison movies
*taps comic*
>>216980700
You guys really lack self-awareness.

>>216981502
Are you fucking stupid

>>216981587
I don't remember watching many, but I know they're common, the plots of someone being unjustly in jail aren't particularly original.
Saying this in "defense" of Avatar... of its concept at least. Give it to a better writer and they could squeeze more emotions out of the premise.

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>>216981502
You are so underage it hurts.
As someone who was actually alive when Titanic came out, the movie was MASSIVE and was referenced constantly by everyone for years.
You couldn't understand this because your entire perception of movies is dumb memes on this shithole.

>>216981542
Nah that's dumb and pure cope. There's plenty of movies with non-human characters that become widely beloved and culturally significant, and plenty of "based on a true story" movies that no one remembers.
Titanic was an EVENT.

>>216981616
Unless you are talking B-movie schlock, no they aren't terribly common as a genre?

>>216980700
Ok but the comic is unironically correct

>>216981502
>titanic is not culturally relevant
has to be the silliest hill to die on just to shill some chink slop

>>216981619
I was actually alive when Star Wars came out, and saw more movies than you have before the internet was even invented. You uncontrollable dumbass.

>>216981542
Star Wars

>>216981659
You are such a bad liar it's crazy.
Of course you picked Star Wars to lie about because that's the only old blockbuster you know about.

>>216981634
Do you know how many movies there are about the Titanic? About Ocean Liner catastrophes?
lt's biggest cultural contribution was making Leo the Hot Thing for a while.

>>216981660
>movies about humans fighting with lasers and laser swords and magic

>>216981684
>Of course you picked Star Wars
Because it's the most discussed movie on this board, and has been forever.

>>216981660
Star Wars somehow managed to entrap TWO different generations of people, and the first ones mostly hated the 2nd set of movies.
But they were still done well enough that they captivated an audience, quality still matters - how do we know this? The Sequels got NO fans lmao. A full trilogy with the shilling of a thousand suns, 2nd became temporarily popular because of how bad it was, and by now people just memory hole them like Avatar. The sequels have no impact right now, whatever the prequels pulled off these couldn't. Not enough cool shit is my guess, literally only Kylo Ren, he's the only cool character with a decent story breaking his back trying to carry the trilogy but he couldn't - there's no other villains or heroes that you'd enjoy.


Kylo is awesome though, if the released a new Disney+ show called "Knights of Ren" or just "Kylo" that followed his origins, training, and some cool adventures with his original squad, it would be popular I guarantee you, he outshines Rey so bad that in their pettiness, the execs gave him no dialogues during the last 20 minutes of the final movie once he turns good.

>>216980742
Wrong, that anon isn't media for people to consume.

>>216981704
>Because it's the most discussed movie on this board
Way to give the game away.
You only know about movies through memes on this board. You tried (and failed) to lie about your personal experience, and instead of trying to defend or expand on that when challenged, you immediately reverted back. You're too lazy to even make your lie convincing.
It's sad how boring you faggots are nowadays. No creativity. Brains addled by social media and ChatGPT.

>>216981686
Because that would be ridiculous, it got 3 animated movies which are the most disrespectful shit ever but those are my favorite Nostalgia Critic episodes. It's every bit as dumb as it sounds, how the fuck do you make more Titanic movies?

But the film influenced the world and media in different ways, the romantic plot is everywhere, the scene of some artist drawing a posing girl became an instant meme before memes existed, THE CAPTAIN DYING WITH HIS SHIP (and maybe a crew playing music as it happens) is also part of human consciousness thanks to the Titanic movie.

>>216981757
Friend, I don't honestly care what you believe. I apologize for insinuating you were a newfag, you are clearly a long-resident low-functioning regular. With stupid, wrong opinions.

I can say that certainly, because you flaunt your stupid, wrong opinions at everyone with immense pride.

Go find some other imaginary zoomie to respond to.

This is a person who gave The Green Knight 4.5 stars on letterboxd.

>>216981577
If the animals had more interaction with the characters, it wouldn't have looked less like a tech demo. Prove me wrong.

>>216980824
>kids don't play with toys
Nigger, go outside

>>216980663
Not even going to watch this cringe fest. Hated every moment of the second movie.

>>216982077
Not enough niggers and gays for you?

as a watcher of bone-chilling, character-development-driven, cheap-jumpscares-free, emotionally-draining, slow-burn elevated horror created by a24 i could never watch an avatar movie

>>216981729
liking star wars or avatar is manchild slop. go play with your legos.

>>216981853
What did he mean by this?

>>216982092
>Not enough niggers and gays for you?
i mean the avatars are basically furries. that's as gay as you can get.

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>Avatar trying to be a Terminator, Star Wars, Jurassic Park, or even a Jaws...when it's really a....Deep Impact..

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>>216980663
>culturally irrelevant
I don't even know what that means, and looking at other anons using this expression it hasn't gotten any clearer

>>216980663
They're nice to watch and pretty to look at but offer very little substance to build a fanbase around. You don't rope in the nerds with the Na'vi language and culture because there's just simply not enough Avatar media, compared to Star Trek and Doctor Who and shit, and the whole being blue from head to toe thing. And nobody else wants to take things further with Avatar into their lives beyond just watching it for the spectacle.

>>216982716
It means nobody cares when they walk out of the theater. It left no impact on the culture, may as well never existed.

>>216982716
You using that meme is what a movie being culturally relevant looks like.

>>216982716
it means exactly what it says retard

>>216980663
>first 15 minutes are cool spaceships, spaceships landing, briefing with the badass colonel
>he stopped watching

You are a faggot I guess

Its message is universally offensive. It tries to be visual spectacle but that was barely true for the first one and the sequels have been intentionally repulsive to look at because jews gotta jew.

>>216980663
What is even cultural relevance? And why not having it is bad?
If it's quips, memes and memorable lines and characters whose names you remember, then the only list would be
>SW
>Jurassic Park
>30 MCU movies

Not the biggest and best movie list if you ask me.
So why are people trying to apply this shit to Avatar movies specifically?
I don't remember a single fucking line from Schindler List so this means the movie is bad?

>>216980757
Please go around telling random people you are their father and report back.
The ship quote is "I'm the king of the world."

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>>216980669
>you call that a tail, whiteboi
>aieeee don't pull my tail tyrone
there was an entire village of blacks and gays

>>216980863
>4 replies
>each one of them missed the point of this post

Average "no cultural relevance" poster has bow room temperature IQ it seems.

>>216982716
It means there aren't enough quips to quote or funko pops to buy for the manchild soidditor that wrote that.

>>216980663
It's funny.
The right hates these films because they're preachy and the humans are written to have godlike tech but are somehow powerless to stop some shitty blue cats with bows and arrows.
The lefties hate them because MUH WHITE SAVIOR CULTURAL APPROPRIATION OH MY SCIENCE WHERE ARE THE MARVEL QUIPS?
So who does like these things?

>>216982899
>So who does like these things?
Indians.

>>216980663
I genuinely believe most people talking about no cultural impact and using "I don't remember anything from it" are simply lying.
Like, it's not a rocket science to remember landing, Navi introduction, first contact, training montage, sex scene, tree downing, final battle. It is basic shit.
I am not the smartest person, and watched first Avatar only once and I remember almost every segment and basic characters names from it.
If you don't then congrats - you are either a liar, or simply have below average cognitive abilities.
Not a movie's problem.

>>216980700
this is factually right

>>216982739
>It means nobody cares when they walk out of the theater. It left no impact on the culture, may as well never existed.
is there a single movie that changed your life? if so, what movie? i've seen plenty of movies that made me emotional, but i wouldn't say they changed my life.

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>why is avatar 'culturally irrelevant'?
Because it doesn't appeal to terminally online leftists that blog about cultural impact. It appeals to normal people with decent family values that want a big scifi spectacle to justify paying $20 per person to see a movie in a theater. It doesn't need a fandom to earn billions every time it's in theaters. It apparently doesn't even need memorable names. It's just that good to average moviegoers and until Disney pushes Jimbo to shoehorn in a gay or trans character plotline that won't change.

>>216982863
>it has cultural relevance because it has so little cultural relevance
bravo...

>>216982767
the moment they said some slogan from the bush administration like 'operation warp speed' or whatever was when they lost me.

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>Unobtainium