I can't believe this actually happened
>>219474734Yeah man innocent people used to get crucified and brutally tortured to death all the time
>>219474734I often say that when confronted with tales of Jewish martyrdom.
>>219474734Jewish historians say that he was crucified by the romans for fomenting revolution and that they had no choice but to give him up.
>>219474734Yes, Mel Gibson really made a movie about the crucifixion.
>>219474734Reminder: Jesus WAS a Jew
>>219474734this, and the holocaust, both never happened
>>219474734it happened 1000's of times. romans were vicious. jews were vicious. whether or not "jesus" was real is impossible to know for certain, but many people suffered worse under roman/jewish rule
>>219474734>>219474858Jews were really like “His blood be upon us and our children” lmao way to one shot your entire bloodline
>>219474920They could have just converted.
>>219474858They why does he make jews seethe so much?
>>219474973Because he showed them that they were following The Law incorrectly.
>>219474898>whether or not "jesus" was real is impossible to know for certainpretty much every remotely reputable historian agrees that Jesus was a real historical figure who lived in that time, it's not even much of a debate. not talking about the miracles part of course
>>219474973>They why does he make jews seethe so much?Where?
>>219474858He was a Jew, but Christians use spurious theological reasoning to slip around his Jewishness."Jesus was a divine being who inhabited a human form for a short time. That means he can't be placed in our usual categories of ethnicity. Humans are divided into races, but Jesus was not human, therefore not Jewish." That's the argument, and you'll never change their minds.
>>219475148In the talmudhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disputation_of_Paris
>>219474835if Tiberius wasn't busy being a useless fucking NEET he could have pardoned him.
>>219475208>In the talmudSo he got a mention there, is that it?
>>219475108perhaps. i mean the magical turns water to wine jesus from the bible
>>219475154Jesus was the last Jew. Every Jew born after him should have converted once he revealed himself.
>>219475236Well, I can't teach you if you're hell bent on being ignorant
>>219474734He gave his life for us... we didn't deserve him.
Thank you for dying for my sins JC!
>>219474973Maybe because we’ve endured thousands of years of violence and oppression under his name?
>>219474734This movie has too much slow-mo
>>219474734Jesus was most likely a Jewish mythic folk hero, not a real historical figure
>guess I'll watch the Jesus movie for Easter>fucking demon jumpscare like 10 minutes in
>>219475504>folk hero>constantly tells Jews that they aren’t doing their own religion correctly and openly blasphemes against their religious leaders
>>219474973Jews hate nothing more than other jews
>>219475617rebels are often regarded as folk heroes, yes
>>219475504>MythicalPaul says he met with James, the brother of Jesus. Who did he meet with? Or is Paul a myth too?
>>219475285>Every Jew born after him should have converted once he revealed himself.Revealed himself to a small number of people in a relatively backwards part of the world. Why did he not reveal himself in Rome, with great spectacle, to make his glory known to the educated classes? Then the Romans would have recorded his supernatural feats as historical fact for posterity. Instead Jesus revealed himself in such a way that the story will always be open to doubt. We're supposed to take a bunch of superstitious sand-Jews at their word? Jews who were worshipping John the "crazy hobo" Baptist before Jesus came along?
I am awaiting
>>219475731are you retarded?
>>219475902Are you going to answer my question?
I like how Pontius Pilate is portrayed as a good boy who dindu nuffin. You can see Mel's love of Roman popery shining through.
>>219475986someone named jesus existing wasnt the debate, dummy
>>219475148Like half of the NT is just Jews kvetching about Jesus
>>219476030That’s in the gospels
>>219476030Pilate dindu nuffin. He washes his hands to basically call the Jews assholes for wanting to kill Jesus so bad.
>>219476097> someone named jesus existing wasnt the debate, dummyAgreed, so what is your point?
>>219476119> Like half of the NT is just Jews kvetching about JesusThe gospels are stories, and all good stories need a good antagonist.
>>219475504Only 24 historians out of 30,000 believe in Jesus myth nonsense.
>>219475617Jews are notoriously self-deprecating
>>219475731Yes, he lied
>>219475504ehrman eats carrier for breakfast
>>219476916>Yes, he liedWhat makes you think he did?
>>219474734Schindler's list too
>these jews didn’t like that jew so he’s not a jew and they’re not real jews and we wuz jews
>>219476609It was Pilate's men who scourged and crucified Jesus.>b-but he washed his hands!Oh right, he's innocent then.
>>219477087Because his only "interaction" with Jesus was a hallucination in the desert
>>219477187>Oh right, he's innocent then.correct, same as barnabas
>>219474858actually he was God, not a jew
>>219476609>know an innocent man is being condemned >have all the authority to stop this injustice >sentence him to inhuman torture and execution anyway >I DON’T EVEN CARE IT’S ON YOU KWAB of the millennium
>>219477204>Because his only "interaction" with Jesus was a hallucination in the desertI believe that he believed that he saw something. I actually think he’s a less than reputable character, but I believe he did meet with James and Peter.
>>219475504The idea that a guy in first century Palestine was a doomsday preacher is too absurd to even take it seriously.
>>219474835Jews tried to kill him as a babyWas he formenting revolution then
>>219474734Good, because it didn't.>oh, but historians...History is all fake. All of it. All stories are fake. Your mind, controlled by the ego, make all this bullshit to distract you from what is real: creation.
>>219477317How is he a KWAB? Afterwards he probably just chilled and kept being a wealthy governor
>>219478485Spiritually a bitch
isnt it weird that all the guys who were against him looked like lovitz
He's going hard to secure a ticket through the Pearly Gates.
jesus was a giant faggot who likely engaged in whatever the equivalent of bacha bazi was and is a libtard who wants to import a bajillion of those people to the west
religion ruins everything
>>219474734That that Jewish propaganda was made? Yeah, its pretty fucked up>>219474920You say that like its a bad thing. Wasn't he the ultimate sacrifice?
>>219477320>Yes he lied about meeting Jesus but that doesn't mean he lied about meeting Jesus's relatives!Sure, dude...
>>219474835Jews be like>yes, we hated and wanted him dead at every instance for telling the truth, we did our best to convince the Romans to crucify him, and when the Romans doubted about executing an innocent man that followed the Roman law, we claimed his blood to be uppon us>but it wasn't our fault, it was totally the Romans!
>>219477814People thought the world was ending back in ancient Assyria https://quoteinvestigator.com/2012/10/22/world-end/
>>219475154>but Jesus was not humanLMAO guise he doesn't know that which is not assumed is not healed
>>219474973Because He is giving away salvation FOR FREE
>>219480177Did the Jews force those Romans to hammer thorns into his head and seep his wounds in vinegar?
>>219477317In OT sacrifice ritual the lamb had to be analyzed for any blemishes, only if its found to be without blemish it is offered. Pilate served the purpose of showing no fault could be found in Jesus, not even by the one person who had every reason to find it. Some traditions consider him saved or even a saint.
>>219481083>Some traditions consider him saved or even a saintThat's nuts. He did his job and he was like: this dude hasn't broken any law, I don't care about your hebrew nonsense. I don't see a compelling reason to consider him saved.
>>219481029executioners are often cunts, yeah, it kinda comes with the job description. But then there was also St. Longinus,
>>219481029Jews didn't force anyone because they couldn't. Romans didn't allow them to kill anyone.Still, they were the ones that wanted and instigated Jesus death.Blaming the executioner (even if he goes overboard) of an innocent man and not the one that deliberately and openly provoqued said execution is arguing on bad faith (jews main personality trait btw).
I hope you'll all join me in lighting a candle and sharing a moment's silence for St. Pilate.
>>219481183Sure. I'm just showing how much he is not vilified traditionally. You could say he was used by God as witness to Jesus' innocence beyond the Jewish world. Putting the blame on the romans is something jews and judaism-obsessed evangelicals do.
>>219481448>Putting the blame on the romans is something jews and judaism-obsessed evangelicals doCorrect
CHRISTOS ANESTI!ALITHOS ANESTI!
>>219481448But the jews, irritating as they are, did not have an international custom of nailing thousands of people to crucifixes. That's on the Romans, no matter how you slice it. And from the Roman point of view, Jesus was a Jewish rabble-rouser in a faraway province of uncertain fealty. That, more than any other reason, is why he ended up on the cross.
>>219476030To be fair, Pilate is more of a grey neutral figure. He didn't do anything bad but neither stopped bad people when he could.The guy was probably just fed up with those seething rabbies telling him everyday to execute some dude he couldn't care less about
>>219481448>You could say he was used by GodYeah and you could thank Jews for enacting the sacrifice God deemed necessary to save mankind from sin. All of this is nonsense.
>narcos invade your town and skin anyone that challenges their rule alive>convince the narcos to skin your neighbour based on a false premise because you hate him>they skin him>actually narcos are the ones to blame for the death of my neighbour because skinning is their thing>I dindu nuffin
>>219481799>The guy was probably just fed up with those seething rabbies telling him everyday to execute some dude he couldn't care less aboutThat is probably the historical reality, but The Passion portrays it differently. Gibson's Pilate bonds with Jesus, and his wife has prophetic dreams about the messiah. In the symbolic structure of the film, Pilate and his wife are proto-Christians. And Mel is doing this because he's a Roman Catholic who wants to absolve Rome.
>>219481775They picked up stones to stone him for blasphemy multiple times, and irrc the jews didn't have authority to carry out executions under roman rule. The revolutionary Jesus story has been the go-to cope for a while now but it has no basis in reality. Not one historical account. Why would jews memory hole a notorious jewish freedom fighter? It's not historical, it's false. Jews are the ONLY people who believe this nonsense
>>219482191That's all in the gospel of john. His wife's dream is in matthew. Why are you lying?
>>219478261If jews didn't kill him all Christians would be condemned to hell. You should be eternally grateful
>>219474973Reverse psychology
>>219482379>Why are you lying?You're the one who is lying, or at least, being disingenuous. There is obviously a difference of emphasis. Mel gives vastly more time and weight to the pathos of the Pilates, and he invents an abundance of new dialogue to skew the story to his agenda. Dialogue that has little or no basis in scripture.
>>219475323>allowed into host nations>subvert nations' customs and laws>oppressionlol lmao
>>219474734Christians for the first few centuries after the crucifixion argued relentlessly about whether this dude resurrected or not. Many believed he didn’t, and what the text actually describes are reports of witnesses who believed they saw an apparition. It’s wild how it all ended being taken so literally when the people who lived closest to the event itself weren’t really sure if it even happened or not.
>>219479829>Yes he lied about meeting Jesus but that doesn't mean he lied about meeting Jesus's relatives!Like I said, I believe that he believed that he saw something. If that is true, it's not implausible that he wanted to meet the dudes followers, who were James and Peter.
>>219482863>yes, my kid got kicked out from more than a hundred schools, but it was the teachers fault! He's a good boy!
>>219482897If he really defeated death he would have stayed, or appeared before neutral witnesses such as Pontius Pilate or Tiberius. It's odd how Christians don't find it suspicious that the man who came back to life just entered a state exactly death for 2000 years and counting, but you should really believe he came back because his closest followers plus some guy said so. I suppose they count Paul as their neutral witness, but his story is the most suspicious of the lot since he never saw Christ in his risen flesh form.
>>219482900Nice try
>>219474734well it did
>>219474734Questions for Jesus was a myth/folk hero crowd. If so why did other jews(the apostles) follow his orders after his death and die for him? Why did a roman(Paul) push his doctrine HARD and die for him? What about longinus, the roman soldier who got his tongue ripped out for preaching Jesus? Why do the people that hate him today zionists, hollywood seem so hellbent on mocking and belittling his followers. How come those same hollywood types are all miserable, drug addicted, greedy an just overall dead inside as well?
>>219481775Jews were sacrificing babies to Baal before the Roman Empire even existed.
Jews are literally spawns of Satan. They murdered their Messiah and have been paying the consequences of it for over 2000 years. Christ is King.
>>219474858Reminder: You're historically illiterate and got tricked by the Jews.
>>219475504He was not Jewish, for one. Israelites like him are all long gone.
>>219486051I can't even imagine seeing this irl.
>>219486051Well now that you've shown me the pictorial evidence, I have to agree. I mean, this is solid journalistic coverage of the sacrifice as it really happened, and is not simply a medievalist fantasy drawing.
>>219474734Why can't Jews just admit they had him killed? Yes, the Romans did it, but they were just following orders. Everyone knows anyway, despite half a century of counter-storytelling.
>>219487108Cope, Shlomo
>>219477187>KILL HIM PILATE>he's done nothing wrong>DO IT OR WE'LL RIOT>his blood is on your hands then>US AND ALL OUR CHILDRENIt cannot be more explicit. Pilate wanted to avoid slaughtering more jews and they repaid that kindness by murdering the entire roman garrison and their families during the bar kokhba revolt
>>219487131They would lose control of Boomers if they did.
>>219481175UNDER-RATED
>>219487198>muh kindly PilateGive it a rest, Mel.
Accidentally marathoned the entire 1977 series last night, it was kino
/ourguy/
>>219488865I GET BLOWN BEFORE JACUZZI
https://youtu.be/jEfG5_3Z19E
>makes jews AND nazis seethe by simply being a good personTestament (pun intended) as to why he was in the right, and still the most relevant person after who our calendar was designed.
>>219488995GET RAPED BY A PACK OF NIGGERS, ITS YOUR FAULT
>>219474734I still cant believe they let this movie be made.
>>219474858>the leader of an apocalyptic messianic cult in Roman-ruled Judea was in fact, JewishWho would've thought.>>219474973The Jews of today (with exception of Messianic Jews) believe that Christ was a false messiah. Also probably some degree of jealousy that the Christians wound up taking over Rome by the 4th Century while the Jews got crushed in the Roman-Jewish Wars and lost their independence/homeland for nearly two millennia.>>219474898>>219475504It's agreed among the overwhelming majority of historians and scholars of all faiths that Jesus Christ was a historical person and that he>was a Galilean>led an apocalyptic Jewish cult claiming to be the Messiah>was crucified on the orders of Pontius Pilate for running his mouth a little too muchEverything else is up for debate though.>>219476030Pontius Pilate apologetics have always been kinda retarded. You don't get made Roman governor of Judea by being a nice guy (especially in the Principate-era where you're less than 20 years removed from the death of Augustus). Pilate was stripped of his governorship less than three years after Christ's death for his excessive brutality towards the Samaritans which would show that his stances hadn't softened remotely in the intervening time period.
>>219474734>God needs to slaughter his only son to not send all of humanity to Hell because... Because he just does OKAY!??!?!Do people really believe this?
Make way for the true passion kino.
>>219489186Have you heard that Jesus wasn't actually born/crucified on 1 AD, but really 4 BC or something. Is this true or just something said by jews to make it feel less special when I say its exactly [current year] years ago?
>>219493242which- which one is judas?
You White people descended from the Romans and Greeks lost your Gods you were exposed as pagan Gods and were forgotten there is only one true God our Father
>>219474858Jesus was White confirmed
>>219493744hummina hummina
Part 2 will be out next Easter and it's going to change the world
>>219493242>We have no king, Butt-Seizer What did the jewish rabble mean by this?
>>219476139This, Mel just went with the Gospels.
>>219475504Uuuuuhm did you miss the part where he was OBVIOUSLY a ripoff of the Osiris myth?Even though the egyptian religions had long faded into obscurity when Christianity came up and noone in the middle east around 50AD probably even knew the general gist of them.
>>219481175God be with you.
Hail Satan
>>219477315>GodThe people who use this word are all charlatans.
>>219486000>Why did a roman(Paul)A level lie previously not thought possible. Saul was the Jewiest JewGalatians 1:13-14>For you have heard of my previous way of life in Judaism, how intensely I persecuted the church of God and tried to destroy it. I was advancing in Judaism beyond many of my own age among my people and was extremely zealous for the traditions of my fathersActs 22:2-5>Then Paul said: “I am a Jew, born in Tarsus of Cilicia, but brought up in this city. I studied under Gamaliel and was thoroughly trained in the law of our ancestors. I was just as zealous for God as any of you are today. I persecuted the followers of this Way to their death, arresting both men and women and throwing them into prison, as the high priest and all the Council can themselves testify>What about longinus, the roman soldier who got his tongue ripped out for preaching Jesus?A completely imaginary saint?
>>219474734Christianity is the most crazy religion by far. Go read any book of the bible (ISV version) and it'll blow your mind. I think what I find most amusing about those who crtisize Christianity on 4chan is they've never actually read the bible or studied it seriously. If you don't want to believe any of it is true that's fine, but at least read and study it seriously first, with saint commentaries and homilies as your guide, before drawing conclusions.
>>219494890It’s funny when tradlarps betray their actual pagan, hedonistic morality like Christ isn’t valid unless he’s a sexual muscle hunk.
>>219474734There is 0 proof Jesus resurrected Himself
>>219495231Here is the continuation of that Galatians quote:>But when God, who set me apart before I was born and who called me by his grace, was pleased to reveal his Son to me so that I might proclaim him among the gentiles, I did not confer with another human being at any time, nor did I go up to Jerusalem to see those who were apostles before me...The only thing they kept hearing was this: “The man who used to persecute us is now proclaiming the faith he once tried to destroy!” So they kept glorifying God for what had happened to me.He was the a jew and at the height of zealous pharisee at that, but that makes him disowning and disavowing judaism and calling on all to be one in Christ even more powerful. God forgiving him made Paul 'an living example of his grace and mercy' for Paul was 'the greatest sinner'. He was after all the apostle who wrote 'there is now jew or greek, slave or free, all are one in Christ'. He also disowns 'human traditions' based on 'geneology (race) and myths'. He is trying to beat over both jew and gentile heads over and over again that such distinctions cease to exist in Christianity. More over: Christ destroyed them.
>>219495541There's zero proof you or I exist. What is proof but my alleged perception of reality? Literally everything is based on faith.
>>219474858He actually destroys Judaism with his birth and eventual reserection. Jew just means 'chosen' as in chosen to be bearers of a revelation in the world through the profits, who, by the way, were the only actual faithful jews, and the rest were the most sinful and evil people on earth. But with Christs death and reserection He baptises the whole world in His blood, with the whole world now being 'jewish', or chosen. To a Christian there is basically no such thing as race or creed anymore, as 'all are one in Christ'.
>>219486319Yeah and Christ calls Jews devil worshippers in John.
>>219495616"I exist" requires fewer leaps of faith than "sky daddy showed shepherds in the bronze age how the world works and then fucked off forever"
>>219495597Okay? The point is he was not a Roman like that other person said>>219495664Except that's all complete load
>>219482897No the texts describe it pretty literally that he was alive in the flesh but transcended. Thomas doubts the authenticity of it when he hears about it, because he hasn't seen Him yet, but has no doubts once he does see Him.>John 26: A week later, his disciples were again inside, and Thomas was with them. Even though the doors were shut, Jesus came, stood among them, and said, “Peace be with you.” 27 Then he told Thomas, “Put your finger here, and look at my hands. Take your hand, and put it into my side. Stop doubting, but believe.”>28 Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”>29 Jesus told him, “Is it because you’ve seen me that you have believed? How blessed are those who have never seen me and yet have believed!”In the end, it comes down to faith: 'blessed are those who believe and have not seen'. In the end, you either believe it or you do not. The choice is yours in your heart. It should be encouraging to us even Thomas doubted: it's okay to doubt at first, but then we have to take the next step and repent and have Faith.
>>219495811He was born in Roman occupied territory so had Roman political and cultural knowledge, maybe that's what he meant.>Except that's all complete loadNo, it's complete biblical fact testified to in every one of his Epistles but you have obviously never read or studied any of them seriously or objectively. You have just been corrupted by /pol/ and have so much anti semitic prejudice and hate in your heart you can't see the Gospel for what it is. Don't worry, Paul was speaking to and trying to convince the same corrupted people 2000 years ago to put off the same hateful habits and prejudices. Nothing new under the sun.
>>219495758>'sky daddy showed shepherds in the bronze age how the world works and then fucked off forever"You reductionists crack me up. I can't imagine unironically believing that is what Christianity is. We were talking about proofs, and 'I exist' can't be proven. It can't. Go ahead and prove it.
>>219495856>complete biblical factWhich is very different from a real fact>you can't see the Gospel for what it is.No, I see it for what it is, its a load of Jewish shite with no connection to reality
>>219495889If your argument is that "everything" requires leaps of faith, then by your own admission, an explanation that requires fewer leaps of faith "I exist" should be "more true" than an explanation that requires more leaps of faith "christianity is real"
>>219474734Christian anons just have to understand 4chan is full of anons who have major hangups about Christianity, likely owing to some sort of traumatic Christian upbringing, so they'll never believe it and always hate it. I feel really bad for those anons because whatever Christianity their parents or church taught them definitely isn't real Christianity because protestant American Christianity isn't even preaching real Christianity anymore. So in a way I understand why they hate it and don't believe it, because I wouldn't believe that either. Where they go wrong is not trying to study it more seriously and understand it better themselves, which statts by studying the early Church and Church 'Fathers' as it were. Then you just get /pol/tards who hate it because it has anything to do with Judaism, but those anons just makor mommy/daddy issues, and were probably molested by an uncle when they were 7 or something so they're developmentally stunted.
>>219495889The fact that I can find photos and videos of myself clues me into believing there’s more proof that I exist than some magic Jewish zombie that happens to be His own father and floated off into heaven 2,000 years ago
>>219496158Photos and videos aren't proof you exist: prove those photos of you exist. Prove you are actually the person in those photos. You claim you can see them, can you prove you can see them? Can you prove they are you in the photos?See what I'm getting at? You have faith you can see them, but you don't have proof. I'd have to have faith they're you, but I don't have proof either. Literally everything comes back to faith.
>>219496080There aren't 'degrees' of faith. Faith is just faith. But rven if I humor your reasoning, there is a more compelling argument Christ existed and still exists than you do: there is a major dedicated volume to him that has persisted for thousands and thousands of years and been practiced by billions and billions of people as the dominant religion on earth. By comparison your claim to existence is nothing. You're nobody.
>>219495498>with saint commentaries and homilies as your guide"Well okay the original book is a bit silly, but if you read Matthew Henry's commentary the stories become more meaningful."At this point you're not really reading the Bible, you're reading the fanfiction of a theologian who hopes to rehabilitate the Bible.
>>219496180The fact they’re real and tangible says otherwise. The only thing I see you getting at is you arguing in bad faith. If you seriously want to have this world view, everything may as well be fake in your eyes, except the Bible for some reason
if Jesus ain't real than who wrote The Holy Bible
>>219486349The irony of a christian telling anyone they got tricked by the jews is almost too funny to process
>>219496279>>219496279Prove they're real and tangible. Prove anything is real and tangible. You have faith they're real and tangible, but I'm asking you to PROVE it. You still don't get it, do you? I have Faith everything the bible says is true. I don't have to prove anything to you or anyone. Proofs are irrelevant.
>>219496293Literally a bunch of random jew/christian schizos at various points hundreds of years later who “divined” it through “revelation” (ie wrote fanfiction)The bible was eventually collated and slapped together by the catholic church from the various schizo scriptures (a lot of which didnt make the cut and would be considered outright heresy today) and made official
>>219496141Most of those people who were raised on it and rejected it have probably read a lot more of the Bible than regular folks who call themselves Christians
>>219475148>If I stick my head in the sand it's not actually happeningPathetic
>>219496256I never said discard the bible, but yeah, reading dedicated holy mens writings in who practiced your same faith diligently and seriously for decades in addition to the Bible is a good thing. Paul encourages the early churches in Galatia and Corinth to seek put Holy people in the Church to learn from them, and to use them as something of a model and guide of faith. Saints and Martyrs are just Christ like people in different generations who put their faith to the test and suffered for Christ. It's why some Churchs honor their memory. So reading what they have to say about faith and Christianity is part of a holistic Christian education
>>219496352They read it with a lot of prejudice and hate in their heart, yeah.
it's falseno waynot this timeit's made upit's fictionit's fakethis one was invented by a writerit never happened
>>219496404>he thinks jewish rabbis arent overjoyed at the goyim taking up christianity Completely raped
>>219496331I can look at pictures of me in places like the Grand Canyon and Patagonia and know they’re real because I actually went there and saw them with my own eyes. It’s not an extraordinary thing to claim I exist, it is one to claim that the Creator of the universe only ever revealed his truth to a barely literate tribe in the desert, did a bunch of impossible miracles with no documentation, and then fucked off for thousands of years. Extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence >Oh and if you don’t believe and do everything he says, you get punished for eternity :^)I’m sure you’re still going to argue like a child because you think it requires faith to think the people you’re talking to aren’t made up either
>>219496398They read it when they were kids and most susceptible to wholeheartedly believing in it
Even the Bible can't agree on events surrounding the crucifixion. It's also telling that the later gospels downplay the role of the Romans and upsell the involvement of the Jews. At precisely the moment when St. Paul was pivoting towards trying to make Christianity more gentile friendly and look less like a Jewish sect.Same Jewish tricks, different century.
>>219496256 >fanfiction This is such a reddit-tier misunderstanding of what commentary even is.The Bible isn’t a Marvel movie with a fixed cinematic universe where anything outside the primary text is “extended lore.” It’s a collection of texts written in ancient languages, across centuries, in cultural contexts you have zero familiarity with. Pretending you can just raw-dog the KJV in English and fully grasp it without historical, linguistic, and theological context is peak modern arrogance.When you read a Church Father, you’re often reading someone closer in time, language, and intellectual tradition to the source material than you will ever be. That’s not “rehabilitating” the text, it’s participating in an interpretive tradition that’s been continuous for 2,000 years.By your logic, reading a physicist’s textbook is just “fanfiction” of Newton because you didn’t derive calculus yourself.You don’t have to accept the conclusions, but dismissing commentary as fanfic just screams that you’ve never actually studied anything beyond surface-level internet atheism takes.
>>219496352Is that supposed to be an argument? Why even write a sentence like that? What value has your speculation based on nothing?
>>219496472Christianity mostly developed in the eastern Roman cities of Antioch and Damascus. That's why they tried to distance themselves early on from being too Jewish coded and appear more Roman/Greek in order to appeal to the locals.
>>219496472Maybe it was written based on different testemonies? Which all agree on the key aspects? You really think you can shed some new light on 2000 years of theology?
