>the ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the force>all the "power" we see is just some telekinesis and lighting from fingertipsadmiral shitto was 100% on point here
>Hey Vader, go fuck yourself.
>>219822688>starbursts on his shirt and a vape in the pocketthe empire was way too lax on workplace attire
>>219822688...and like a year later a force user causes the collapse of an, until then, rather stable intergalactic empireCurious, isn't it?
>>219822721>a planet rebels>commence a planetary invasion>one time something goes wrong and your forces get bogged down>have to pour in millions of troops, armor and credits for years>other planets see that the empire can be beaten or at least brought to a stalemate>they increase rebel activity or outright rebel openly stretching your forces thinvs>a planet rebels>you destroy it with a press of a button>other planets lynch anyone who even remotely looks like a rebel out of fear of getting vaporized
The prequels just kinda made the jedi weak as shit. All of them got fooled and beaten by a human army. Meanwhile Luke nuked their the Empire's ultimate fortress after being a jedi for like 1 day. Luke represents genuine divine heroism, whereas the prequel jedi exist to serve of the cynical point of "what if jedi are dumb".
>>219823192You're thinking in very modern terms here. Guess what Genghis Khan or the romans did when they conquered territory?
>>219823371No but they had city destroying armies, ask the judeans or the baghdadis
>>219823442Much like the Alderaan debris field is still around, yes
>>219823358Uh, make them vassal states so they can be taxed and leveraged for trading? The Romans and Mongols definitely did not genocide every location they owned.
>>219823538I'm sure some alderaanis were in orbit / away when they got vaporised>>219823544No but they didn't shy away when it came to it
>>219823192emperor was, and he was willing to condition his subjects to the point they'd do that out of fear. iirc canonically in rogue one the rebels were about to disband after they found out about the death star
>>219822688Motti was an idiot. Vader is explaining that what happens in the galaxy, happens because the Force wills it. The Death Star was a philosophical failure on Tarkin's part, assuming that fear would lead to suppression rather than what actually happened, rebellion with nothing to lose.>>219823192Tarkin made the choice without asking anyone, he's the main psycho>>219823253No. Luke trained for far more than a single day and the destruction of the First Death Star was carried by others alongside him, as he would have gone down without the help of Rogue Squadron and the Falcon.Furthermore, Luke and Anakin are canonically the most powerful force users next to Sidious and maybe Yoda, all other Jedi are inferior>got fooled and beaten by a human armyBecause Palpatine's machinations exploiting their complacent nature after a thousand years of no wars, their reliance on the clones to beat the war and also their sheer numbers. Should be noted Luke only had to deal with at best 20 fighters in the Death Star with help, Order 66 involved thousands of troopers PER Jedi.
>>219823744Sheev was good pals with Tarkin, he would defend him and shit on people like Tagge, Vader or Thrawn for disagreeing with himThat's the issue with the Empire, it's nepotistic in nature
>>219823786I don't know what you mean
>>219823771I would say that's not exclusive to the empire.. just look at a certain current day administration
wasnt until Palpatine in the sequels where the force did anything impressive, beyond that its claim of power was the equivalent to faith in god to move mountains type shit, the sequels were trash but as a nerd I actually welcomed Palpatine being a sith demigod in 9, probably the coolest thing they did
>>219823138nice to see thoughtful minded persons post here from time to time
>>219822688>Palpatine manipulated the Republic and made the Empire just via force shenanigans
>>219823844"some lackey" puts Tarkin really mildly, he is a top tier elite in Eriadu which is one of the big Core Worlds and has political influence all across the Empire plus being Grand Moff of a whole region of the galaxyPlus he has his fair share of sycophants who'll follow him to rise through the ranks
>>219823894he achieved everything through politics, he only used the force to cloud the jedi minds, but they're so retarded in the movies I'm sure they'd be none the wiser even without the force
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I wish the other films had a Tarkin type figure in the background. He really makes the first film have a war film like atmosphere, especially with how much of the death star is subconsciously black and white like it's directly linked to the 1940s. He isn't comically evil, but cold and calculated. He went down with the ship, it's so old school cool.
>>219822688>Use force to create being from a virgin birth>Manipulate force to put him into a war>Use war to mold him into a combat god>Use force to send him nightmares that lead him to fear>Use force to convince him you can end his fear>Manipulate him to murder every single one of your powerful enemies>Make him bow to you and become your slave>Conquer the entire galaxy effortlesslyYeah, you could make the argument that a Death Star could just blow up every planet, but then you'd have much fewer people to rule and serve you as slaves. The way the Emperor did it with his domination of the living force was longer, but gave him much more power and resources.
>>219823844never heard of a dictatorship? the empire citizens were negligible and the high up nobles/aristocrats were paid well
>>219824293He used the force to foresee events all the time though and to help him in politics and everything else.
>>219823544Not fair bros, how come we don’t get to do no genociding :(
>>219822812Those are clearly now-and-laters
>>219824564Imagine being such a pleb that you don't know the ending of Star Wars is based on black and white war films like The Dam Busters. Even in the 90s I knew that.
>>219822734>YOU GONNA LET HIM GET AWAY WITH THAT? WHAT'S THE EMPIRE COMIN TO?
>>219824522yeah Tarkin is really cool, a great character from a Star Wars that was gone when the first movie ended
>>219822688>now get in your fucking podracer
>>219824584that was because of much more than hitlers death
>>219825067>implying there was any hope to be had
>>219822688>Then Lord Vader made this like choking motion with his hand and Lieutenant Johnson started gagging and turning blue, then he shit his pants right in front of Tarkin and the entire imperial staff. It was comedy gold....
>>219825129I would've carried this
>>219822734>>Hey Vader, go fuck yourself.>*Pulls fire alarm and runs*>"Schooool's out for summer!"
>>219822898>...and like a year later a force user causes the collapse of an, until then, rather stable intergalactic empireBecause the leader of said empire just HAD to convert some kid to his schizo religion. If he just ignored the force shit and nuked Luke and his friends from orbit he would have won.
>>219822688can someone explain the "shitto" meme?
>>219823138>a handful of rebels are enough to convince the empire to vaporize a planet>you don't need to have any rebel association to be vaporized>you will never be sure that your planet is rebel freeCongratulations, you just made your superweapon outright harmful to your cause as every loyal citizen knows he is as likely to die by the empire's hands as any rebel.This besides the fact that the death star is more expensive than whole fleets, yet the net result of its use is literally a more wasteful form of planetary glassing
>>219827689that's the intention
>>219827689You failed to explain how it's in any way harmful to their cause
>>219826551You dumb faggot there was already a song lyric in what you quoted.
>>219822688Luke literally destroys the Death Star by using the Force you blind low IQ nitpicking monkey
>>219822721Fear brings compliance.Bend the knee or your planet will be deleted.
>>219829278actually he used an X-Wing and some torpedos and a helmet and R2 and he also sacrificed a lot of friends and he had Han Solo show up at the last momentand the solar winds were in his favor and he had the willpower from wanting to avenge his dead uncle and aunt and he also had a sick orange jumper.checkmate faggot
>>219829278wouldn't have happened if not for a bunch of forcelets stealing the plans
>>219822833I got chewed out at a wagie job for using my pocket.
>>219823358Romans didn’t do that
>>219822688The power of the force allowed 1 man with a little torpedo to destroy that which has the ability to destroy a planet
>>219830904I get paid to chew people out. We are just doing our jobs and you knew the rules when you signed up dumbass. Im not gonna put up with some uppity cunt acting like hes "special" literally because his ego is so fragile he can't take basic direction. I give fuckheads zero wiggle room, do as you are told or I will cut off your income. Go cry about it somewhere else with your victimised self. Grown ups work here and none of us have any interest in crybaby faggot attention seekers. Do your time like the rest of us and save your fag nigger worshipping or whatever the fuck for after your shift. If you don't move quickly enough you WILL get my size 12 steel cap up your ass.
The Force ITSELF is infinitely more powerful than any weapon, Death Star included, but that power is limited by the individual acting as a conduit for it.Also just like... they're movies, man. Even the movies where Lucas has overwhelming creative control there's still gonna be limitations of the medium, plus the limitations inherent to making something a coherent three part story, and of course any other self-imposed limitations like "well I don't want to introduce a character who can just literally fucking eat planets right now because that writes me into a corner I can only escape with some gay ass time travel plot or something"
>>219831527The is AI:The Force ITSELF is infinitely more powerful than any weapon, Death Star included, but that power is limited by the individual acting as a conduit for itThis is not:Also just like... they're movies, man. Even the movies where Lucas has overwhelming creative control there's still gonna be limitations of the medium, plus the limitations inherent to making something a coherent three part story, and of course any other self-imposed limitations like "well I don't want to introduce a character who can just literally fucking eat planets right now because that writes me into a corner I can only escape with some gay ass time travel plot or something">t. AI
>>219831979schizophrenic cunt kill yourself twice
>>219826500Kek
>>219827689>a handfulLiterally their entire government including the heads of state were in open rebellion and had rebel bases on-world.
>>219822688If Palpatine wasn't a Sith Lord, then Vader would actually be correct because you can use the force to mind control people.You don't need to control the Death Star when you can just mind control the person who rules the Galactic EmpireThat said, Vader was a retard for boasting about the force, because by this point its secrecy is its biggest strength. The Jedi are gone, and so nobody really knows that much about the inner workings of how the Force behaves.
>>219831419What the fuck did you say to me you little bitch.... and so on.
>>219832854>That said, Vader was a retard for boasting about the force, because by this point its secrecy is its biggest strength. The Jedi are gone, and so nobody really knows that much about the inner workings of how the Force behaves.Its amazing that after decades I'm still finding new takes on these movies.
>>219822688Why would you work on the ship for 10 years
>>219832854>That said, Vader was a retard for boasting about the force, because by this point its secrecy is its biggest strength. The Jedi are gone, and so nobody really knows that much about the inner workings of how the Force behavesAs you said, there's nobody left who know shit all about the Force aside of the head of state and some old farts.Remember, the Jedi were a closed order, probably the people who had more ontact with them were politicians and some planetary rulers. As there was no officia Republic army no Imperial "old-school" generals would know much, much less recent recruits. And this is if we are just talking about the capital and inner planets; the further from there, the less the common people knew.>in4 only 20 since the Empire is stablishedyeah, it would make more sense for more time, but we need our jalibait twin protagonists
>>219834075>in4 only 20 since the Empire is stablishedStalin managed to convince the Soviet populace that the commies got to power legitimately and basically erase all history of whole cities and people in less time and the Russians weren't anywhere near as complacent with the commie regime as they were under the Empire
>>219828959He explained it in the very same sentence.
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>>219822688>”lmao force isn’t real you retard”>literally works for the Sith Empire
>>219834396>”lmao force isn’t real you retard”He never said that
Your inability to see The Force is relative to your ability to wield and be wielded by it.
I think about the Empire everyday.
>>219824522Count Dooku is comparable
>>219834483Is that my negroid Ungern-Sternberg?
>>219822688The Emperor had used the force to manipulate his way to the head of a galactic empire.Blowing shit up is all well and good, but creating an empire is better.
>>219834542I'm pretty sure the Emperor used a clone army (that he bought with money) to shoot a bunch of Force-using people in the back.Some would call it a technological terror prevailing over sorcerous ways.
>>219834483they managed to kill star wars for me. My autism was powerful but not powerful enough.
>>219827689you have a fundamentally low understanding of human psychologypeople respect force. when in danger, given the choice between hunting down and killing those who need their help and resisting those who don't the answer is always simple: go for the weaker target
>>219834558I mean it's more political subterfuge over the clone army, that's a small step of the whole planAnd the Force was heavily involved in his facade as poor old Chancellor Palpatine, it's what made both Jedi and other senators and civilians see him as a force for good and incorruptible politician since he hid his real identity insanely well
>>219834483Do you perhaps post on /toy/...
>>219822688Emperor Vitiate used the Force to consume entire planets of life to fuel his immortality and Darth Plaguies could use the Force to create Space Jesus. Darth Sion used the Force to become an unkillable zombie. But please, tell me more about this Quadrillion credit Battlestation that has a glaring fatal flaw that can be exploited by any backward hick farmboy.
This thread is a perfect example why I believe Star Wars fans are almost entirely retarded. 99% of them are below 100 IQ, and they have never grown up mentally. They hear this exchange, and they think completely literally. They think it means, "Heh.... In my fanfiction, I have a Sith Lord who eats planets. I can rip Star Destroyers from the sky. Beat that!"When in reality what Vader means when he says "the power of the Force" is destiny. Faith. Belief. All-encompassing esoteric presence that creates and connects all life. It's like the whole climax of the movie flew over your head. One small fighter piloted by a farm boy, who simply believed and trusted in the Force, managed to pull off a one in a million shot that was impossible even with the most precise targeting computer and destroyed the Death Star. That's power. The Force is strong with him. That doesn't mean he can create supernovas with his mind or eat a planet or some other retarded shit from stupid Star Wars fanfiction. No, it means he literally has God on his side, and he will succeed despite insurmountable odds - he has faith. That's why Emperor also always kept talking about "I have foreseen this", "It is your destiny". That's what matters. Star Wars fags turned the Force into some DBZ videogame spell system.
>>219834634>given the choiceThe only choice here is to fight the empire, or become collateral damage when a rebel happens to exist on the same planet as you.Ironically, the death star spits in the face of Tarkin's doctrine, because it effectively disarms fear: what's the point of submitting when it's treated the same as rebelling?
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>>219835273>Darth Evilius and Emperor Hitlerius did blah blah in some shit written by fanboys decades later so there, take that chud
>>219822688Who's in charge of the Empire?
>>219836613The Emperor. I don't know if people know that he's a Sith, propably not if they openly shit talk his religion
>>219836627Sheev went out of his way to insure the average peon thinks the force doesn't exist, but anyone who's highly placed enough to work with him would know he's a sith.Should Motti know? Feels like he ought by rank and role, but Lucas always played so fast and loose with hierarchies that Motti comes across more as some uppity staff commander than an admiral.
>>219822688My favorite imperial glup shitto. Imagine being so confident about shit you don't know anything about... He'd fit right in on 4chan.
>>219822688i would make a drill instructor zim-vader edit but im on my tablet so just imagine it.if palps had no force powers he could have been assassinated in 5 minutes by luke or vader
>>219822688>This extremely costly station will be destroyed by a small group of Rebel fighter craft in about 48 hours. In ten years the super laser technology will be miniaturized enough to outfit small ships, rendering the entire concept of a Death Star obsolete. In fact, just jumping to light speed will obliterate anything in its path; why not just produce hyperspace capable missiles and destroy the enemy from a fifty light years away? Hell, in a few years we will have another station that shoots a laser through hyperspace that splits into separate rays and takes out multiple targets in the same system. The emperor will be dead, and the Empire overthrown in about a year, but will come back immediately under the leadership of his clone as the Imperial rem- I mean the First Order and of course the FINAL Order, a secret backup fleet with red storm troopers. Your grandson will be the right hand man of that operation and even kills his own father, your son in law, Hand Solo.
>>219833004I don't understand the question?
>>219822688>ShittoMotti, motherfucker
>>219837750>we will have another station that shoots a laser through hyperspace that splits into separate rays and takes out multiple targets in the same systemThat's such a retarded concept. What's even the use case for shit like this? How often do you have to destroy exactly 5 planets at the same time, as opposed over a few days or however long it takes to charge another shot of a normal death star?
>Waits for Vader to go to his pod>Puts a hose over the top to soak him
>>219837750>just jumping to light speed will obliterate anything in its pathNothing can jump to lightspeed near a gravity well, so planets are safe. And military fleets have specialized ships with gravity well generators not only for protection, but also to ambush enemy ships by pulling them out of hyperspace. This has been canon in the 1980s.
>>219834272Incorrect. He suggested a thought process with relative incoherence, not how that thought process is any way harmful.
