>>220884262
clark was already dead essentially. mind broken.
>The monsters don't really follow a global logic
yeah, they were all static except his. but it's a manifestation of him and he's right in the vicinity so that might be the reason

>>220884342
What about the initial guy that gets killed?
And the two employees who get killed?
How does he even survive the initial onslaught?

There are so many small questions and kinks that kind of mar the experience if you don't watch it as a loose mood piece. I really enjoyed the film and will watch it again without a room full of zoomers. I wonder if this is as close as you can get to an idea like backrooms (or slenderman) on a movie screen?

I guess discussions only last two days after release.

>>220884262
I filled in the gaps with massive head canon and prior knowledge of the series, but I took it as the backrooms dimension evolving over time. It's like its an unconscious force of nature that has no form but wants to make one by mimicking what it comes in contact with. At first its shitty low res wall paper and nonsensical architecture, then the bacteria monsters using human remains of those stuck in there to make somewhat humanoid black stick figure zombies. But then as more and more humans fall in/ASYNC explores, it starts spawning creepy shitty melted-feature still lifes out of the floor that are trying to be 1:1 copies of the irl people. Now does that bring in memories and emotions of those people? Somewhat apparently because his wife's copy was basically his servile attendant and the fat guy was ok with being food. Not because the irl wife or fat guy were like that in their own personalities, but the nature/programming of the backrooms and its entities wants to ultimately have a purpose, in whatever level of consciousness it/they posses. That's why she went nuts at the stomping of the Clark monster, the irl wife's memory of Clark's alcoholism and abuse, and the backrooms environment understanding that pirate Clark was an apex predator. It seems like proximity to the peoples memories plays a role too. And since the dinension has different rules with space and time, so is it with the thoughts/memories it uses to copy things. It's like the immaterium/warp in warhammer: the other realm is a reflection of conscious thoughts in the real world. It looked like Clark and his doppelganger had an understanding because it came stomping around when Mary and Clark were making noise but when he shut her up it moved on. Maybe the kitchen scene changed Clark mentally enough that the pirate Clark based upon his old mental self no longer saw Clark as part of it/the backrooms anymore and that's why it ate him. Just my thoughts. Also, I'm very gay.

>>220885169
>Also, I'm very gay.
This ain't a cumtown comments section.

You ever consider that it might be inappropriate to measure something qualitative with a quantitative instrument?

>>220884262
I wonder if your experienced would be improved or hurt by watching Parson’s pre existing youtube series.

>>220885686
It would be hurt if Parson's version becomes the definitive version.

The idea is an internet collaborative idea, but he is crowned owner then we have a problem.

>>220885169
>his wife's copy
Was that really a copy of Barbara or whatever Mrs Clark’s name was, or was that just a copy of a lady who also had red hair? I’m bad with faces at the best of times, so it would be pretty much impossible for me if I was supposed to recognize the lady with the fucked up double face as the same as the lady from the photo that flashed onscreen for three seconds.

>>220885747
Well he did do a good series and this theatrical film is simply a continuation of it. I think some of the building up of some plot elements in the series might have helped me accept them in the movie more easily than if I’d viewed it alone.

>>220885747
Idc he has the best consistent version that is also the most interesting.

>>220885686
Improved. Pitfalls, Damage Control and Found Footage shows that Async is merely another visitor in the incomprehensible scale of the Complex.

>>220885793
This is where the logic is kinda fuzzy. In the story beat, it's clearly his wife's copy since it runs away when his own copy comes in. But it's obvious (or logical) that there are just random copies of people who exist outside like the guy in the wheel chair or the 6 eyes man.

>>220884262
yeah basically. i'll still pay for a ticket for pt2

>>220885793
I thought it was a random woman too. But at the end of the day it doesnt matter. Its a copy of a person that has nothing to with the actual person. Same with all the furniture and junk in the backrooms.

>>220885861
I find SCP-style shit kinda ruins the (local) cosmic mystery of it. A "gordon accidentally opened a portal to another dimension" heavy sci fi angle.

thr weakness of the film is halfassing the plot scaffolding around the backrooms segments and skimping on giving us grand set pieces like that nice chasm toward the end when the lady therapist is being chased by gigapirate.

>>220884603
Those were shilled, everyone must be waiting for the shill to fill space talking about plagiarism and nepotism.

>>220884434
>How does he even survive the initial onslaught?

We see some scenes of him looking like he got massively lucky, but also employing some tricks that I think other characters wouldn’t think of. And I think we’re meant to assume he’s doing more of the same in the off screen parts. Like every time he’s in a bind, he just rips off a wall panel and shimmies down a vent. Then he comes out and he’s gone in a big circle somehow and he’s exactly where he wants to be.

I think Clark being an architect is meant to give him a genius sense of direction and an understanding of structural design that kept him alive longer than most people down there.

They ruined it by not making it solely parson's mind ala slient hill route. The flim just makes it as the pirate nigger was always there.

>>220886015
granted i only watched the shitty cam version, but none of this "clark using his architect skills" stuff came through for me.

>>220884262
i kind of wanted the movie to just be a drama of clark getting his life back together
the backrooms were the worst part of the backrooms movie. if you took them out, it would be way better

>>220885846
no he doesnt. kanes backrooms is so fucking dogshit im gobsmacked youd have the gall to even say this shit.

>>220886044
I suck at direction so bad that him simply being able to draw up a map was impressive, so I may be too easily impressed. I do think it’d make sense if his backstory was meant to explain away his survival skills though.

>>220886015
>I think Clark being an architect is meant to give him a genius sense of direction and an understanding of structural design that kept him alive longer than most people down there.
But the scientist in the beginning dies too. I honestly think the monsters didn't REALLY needed to be added.

>>220886016
Then it's not the "backrooms" if it's just "the mind manifest".

Like anyone remember the langoliers?

>>220886109
i think the map was a good detail and the architect skills vs backrooms concept is solid, i just wish it came through a bit more. its the dudes first go so ill cut him some slack, but a polished script wouldve made this something special.

>>220886127
The shitty cgi ballsack monsters in the stephen king movie at the airport? Yeah, what about them?

>>220886127
did you even read house of leaves

It's an interesting movie because I feel like I almost loved it, but I can't really say what needed to change to make me love it.
More early backrooms exploration scenes with Clark and maybe a Clark going crazy montage of the days he spend alone after the met Pirate Clark could have improved it somewhat, but I don't think they'd still make me love it.
The movie just lacks something I can't really put into words.

>>220886154
I think one of the movie’s biggest failings is where it over explains a concept that I think was better off left unspoken in the series. Like Clark straight up lays out “i think this place misremembers things and thats why it gets details wrong when it makes copies. Like when you describe a dog etc etc.” And that was always pretty much there, but usually it was left up to the viewers to figure it out.

So there’s this one part where Clark tells Mary “if I untie you, you’ll just run around like a chicken with its head cut off.” And I think it woulda been too on the nose if he’d tacked on “Only a super smart architect like myself could possibly navigate this place.”

Like there’s plenty of stuff about this series that I didn’t get until seeing other people talk about it, and I think that’s part of the fun.

>>220886114
Did you want a movie where a guy just walks down a hallway for two hours??

because, if so, I agree, that would be sick

>>220886114
I think my biggest issue was explaining the monster and showing it's reasonably easy to escape and defeat it.

>>220886265
It should've been a found footage movie

>>220886154
I'm surprised it's mappable to begin with.

>>220886311
Yes, but you can't make Hollywood money off that.

>>220886339
I disagree. The half/half worked quite well. Maybe more found footage could have improved it, but some of the best scenes were regular movie, and the story was pretty good.

Okay guys. I don’t know enough about the Ottoman Empire to figure out if that was some brilliant symbolism, or just a fun play on words. Does anyone with better history knowledge in that area want to overthink it for me and draw some parallels?

The pirate stuff just gets better and better the more I overanalyze it.

>>220884603
it’s not War and Peace dude it’s a movie about a 4chan shitpost

>>220886364
The Backrooms definitely feel like it should be some magic supernatural space that moves around on you, but I actually think it’s sorta scarier that it’s apparently one massive solid structure. Like, that’s kinda more incomprehensible.

>>220884603
Obsession was better this movie put me to sleep. Should have called it the bed rooms.

>>220886276
i prefer when a film, especially a "vibes horror" like this doesnt overexplain, but it still has to give the audience visual breadcrumbs for us to gnaw on. chiwy brute forcing doorknobs isnt enough. a map is a good nod to his prowess. maybe instead of loredumping at the dinner table about the still lifes and what not, he couldve spoken of the place in architectural metaphors. i dunno, i saw the cam so i didnt get as sucked in and cant judge it too harshly until i see a proper hd rip. still i found the character stuff to be a bit sloppy and i wanted more stuff like navigating a goofy but unsettling complex room. i also wanted to feel more "oh shit we're trapped and lost" but we didn't get as much of that.

A24 ruined backrooms and the movie wasn't even accurate to what Kane Pixels has said about backrooms.
Backrooms were a real space that exists and you can explore. It doesn't make sense but you can explore it, you can study it, you can make progress in making it make sense.
The movie changed it to be a sort of abstract manifestation of memories. That difference has made backrooms into something that can't and shouldn't be explored. Things end up in the backrooms without falling in there so you will walk and all you will see is places you've been at full of random objects from your past and eventually you'll just run into unkillable people who may be hostile.
There is no point in going in the backrooms and it's better that you don't go in there because going in may only cause it take your memories and use them to make terrible rooms and fill them with copies of people you know.
It's not the same universe Kane Pixels made on his youtube channel. This is backrooms twisted by people who aren't into backrooms.

>>220886405
There isn't. His employees even question it too.

>>220884262
>The monsters don't really follow a global logic
That was the point. The backrooms don't follow any sort of architectural or spacial logic, and the still lifes are just as unpredictable as the environment around them. That made it more effective in creating an unsettling feeling

>>220886413
>it’s a movie about a 4chan shitpost
based on a SCP idea based on SA forums megathreads (or any forum back then) from the 00s.

>>220886465
i kind of agree, making it a psychological trauma horror wasnt the move. i'd rather they tried their best to lean into the cosmic horror angle, not with monsters or anything, but by first giving us more ans bigger rooms and then making the characters get lost earlier in the script. being stuck in that place is where the real horror lies. ever get lost in the woods? its frightening if youre really fucked.

>>220886497
No, it makes the monsters more convenient, attacking when the script calls for it.

>>220884603
There’s a dozen other threads in the catalogue diluting discussion.

And honestly, everytime I visit this board it feels like it runs at such a weird pace that it’s like nobody actually wants to talk about stuff and threads die off quick. But it could just be a me thing.

>>220886527
Maybe this is closest you can get to the backrooms without dissolving on contact with the outside (the internet) world, like slenderman did.

>>220886624
I mean you are posting on post-2014 4chan so...

>>220886545
It wouldn't make thematic sense for the still lifes to have rules and follow the same logic that humans on the outside world do

>>220886478
I actually think that Clark being a shitty salesman who fucks up the consistency of his own commercial and can’t decide if he’s a sultan or a pirate is fun to compare to how the backrooms can never recreate reality right.

act 1 couldve been same main guy but instead of a shrink its his exwife. we get an argument in the store. she sees he sleeps there, he gets angry, we see his rage. he finds the backrooms, explores, sees the camera, oh shit theres a monster we dont see, he runs out. cut to unassuming async guy watching the feed. chiwy recruits his underlings to come inside.

act 2 starts with that nifty found footage segment, theres more dialogue in there to flesh out chiwys anger issues. the rest plays out similarly. no scene of async guy finding the store (if they can already put a camera close to that portal, that means they can get there, so it doesnt matter if they find the store). ex wife shows up for some reason (sign these papers, etc) and gets lost. then shes totally lost, starts to freak out. eventually runs into chiwy way way into the labyrinth.

act 3, a confrontational lightly expository dinner scene. he geta angry at her, the monster attacks (it can still be a manifestation of his anger) and kills him, maybe he sacrificws himself. she runs away, same kind of chase but at least one more grand set piece. runs into async who pull her out, monster doesnt get caught. then maybe similar ending, i dunno.

>>220886688
everyone really be thinking they can make a better movie ts funny ahh hell y'all fr delusional

>>220886714
>ahh
....what?

>>220886714
>ts funny ahh hell y'all fr delusional

>>220884262
"don't get married" the movie

>>220886714
Sir, this his is an ebonics free zone

>>220886714
dude if you liked it im happy for you but i found the skeleton to be lacking even if the meat was top notch.

>>220886669
>It wouldn't make thematic sense for the still lifes to have rules and follow the same logic that humans on the outside world do
Yeah but shouldn't they have their own rules?

Unseen monster kills initial scientist for some reason
Unseen monster (presumably Copy Clark) kills his employees for no reason (presumably Copy Clark is aggressive)
We finally see the copies and they seem inert.
Copy Clark is much more active than the other copies because he's inside the backrooms?

It should have done away with the monsters and kept them as still life.

>>220885865
>random copies
Well I don’t really think anything is meant to be completely random in there.

>>220886844
They kind of do have their own rules though.
The unseen entity that kills the scientist isn't a still life, it's likely siren-head. Probably the same thing that killed bobby

Still life clark is aggressive and violent like the lowest point of clark is
Still life wife is shut off and afraid like the lowest point of wife is
Still life handyman is sloth and unresponsive, still life midget turns a light on and off again - but we don't know anything about them so I'm not sure what the deal is there

I like how the movie foreshadows Clark's lack of accountability with his store
>Sells low quality merchandise which is shown to easily break, hence he gets a reputation for ripping off people which he dismisses
>He ignores his employees' legitimate points such as picking a theme and sticking to it
>Keeps so little tabs on his shop that he doesn't realize it was already open and empty when he was filming a commercial
For some examples I picked up.