not seen many threads about this. for all mankind spinoff following the sovietsits kino
not watching 2 minutes of space stuff and 58 minutes of woman/brown drama
> let’s send a nigga to Venus 5 minutes after we landed on the moon even though we know nothing about long term effects of zero gravity It’s retarded
>>221235943>for all mankind spinoffIt is as pozzed as For All Mankind?
>>221235943>>221236602Insane that they do "spin-offs" of overtly political SJW shit. Who is watching this crap? Redditors?
>>221235943it's been head and shoulders above the last 2 and a half seasons of the main show, also>9 months in a close capsule with a pajeetaponder the aroma
>>221236054The non-space stuff in this show is less "drama" than what you're thinking. It's more of an espionage thriller. One which could be compelling even if it took place somewhere else in the broader Cold War and wasn't connected to the alt history space race premise
>>221236622>space race, but they'd better leave the politics out of it!Are you retarded?
>>221236622Its on AppleTV so mix between cucks and nobody
>>221235943They fucked up by not having a Russian dub. It feels super weird to me how in every shot of text on a screen or on a document etc, it's in Cyrillic- yet everyone is speaking British English at the same time. They couldn't even do us the courtesy of starting the show in Russian and fading/transitioning it into English, like how Valkyrie or Way of Water did it
>>221237321I like For All Mankind but it turns into a retarded political soapbox sometimes. There's more than one instance of an old biggoted guy saying "there's too many people like me". Doesn't even make sense.
>>221237422wow likes it's about the political rivalry between soviets and America you fuck cunt retard
>>221237478That has nothing to do with the writers poorly inserting their modern identity politics beliefs even when it makes no sense. Going to the moon was about capitalism versus communism, not women and gays, and even if it was it's just shitty writing.
>>221237663yeah it was just dumb and woke when the soviets sent a woman to the moon to prevent america from claiming that as a first. that sort of thing would never happen in real life. i hate how this woke show just invents woke things that are totally made up and not based on anything
>>221237321being brown/female isn't political
>>221237691And as I said>even if it was it's just shitty writingYou can't defend characters speaking out of character to become a soapbox so you have to bring all of these irrelevant things into it. Bad writing is bad writing, apparently you think it's fine if it's motivated by politics and the show has a vague excuse to be about politics.
Feels like Chernobyl, even has that one firefighter guy from it
>>221237725>the show has a vague excuse to be about politicswould you consider picrel to have a vague excuse to be about politics? im just curious
>>221237760It's a vague excuse because it's handwaving away ANYTHING to do with politics as justified, not because the show has no excuse to be about politics. The show has an excuse to be about space travel too, but if they did something retarded like fly to the moon on a hang glider, you couldn't just say "IT'S ABOUT SPACE TRAVEL!"
>>221237760The difference is The West Wing doesn't have characters the writers disagree with say "my political beliefs are bad, I sure can't wait for everyone like me to die"
>>221237857Care to give any specific examples of someone in For All Mankind doing that? The homophobic VP James Bragg who resigned over it in season 3 could have done that. He didn't, he instead ended up being president himself a couple seasons later
>>221237924Deke after being disgusted at the one woman's homophobia says "don't tell anybody, there's too many guys like me out there". There's another instance too which I don't remember specifically but I remember because it's weird the show did it twice.
>Star City thread >entire thread is anons who haven't watched it complaining about the other show it was spun off from
>>221237972i think you mean her homosexuality, and what he was saying basically amounted to him trying to be courteous because he respected her professionally. it wasnt any sort of acknowledgement that he was in the wrong, it was telling her to keep the fact she was gay a secret because homophobia was common enough that itd tank her career.>>221238028how are you liking the show anon? im enjoying it but not as much as famk. curious to see where the venus mission goes but it obviously wont end well, or wed have heard about it in famk otherwise
>>221235943Why is Mr Hickey always causing trouble?
>>221238065I'm enjoying it but >>221237372. It's very weird how the characters are Soviets but also not, they're more like bizarre British people from another dimension
wonder if they'll show this mission
>>221235943the description really put me off when I read it, being about sending the first woman to space, I dont know it just made my woke alarm go off
HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT
>>221236054>/tv/ says "it's a woke drama">ackshually is a "RUSSIA BAD" dramaKGB shooting cosmonauts in the head as if it was Beria cleaning up the ranks of the NKVDwhat the fuck was that?
>>221238065He specifically says there's "too many guys like me". That's just not wording a bigot would use.
>>221238421The brainrot is real.
>>221238421Soviets made a big deal out of sending the first woman into space in real life. The character in the show has a similar sounding name but is not literally the same historical woman, so at least there's that, to appease you.
>>221238417they did, that was sashas mission two episodes ago
>>221235943i have only watched the first season of all mankind. is that enough to watch this show?
>>221238664>there are too many people like me [for coming out as gay publicly to not impact your career]>[and im advising you of this because i feel conflicted about admiring your skill as an astronaut but also being disgusted by the fact youre gay]
>>221239039yeah it only really overlaps with the first season. there are some ties to characters from later seasons of famk but in terms of the actual events happening its just season 1 it runs parallel to
Of course I wasn't around in the 1970s or earlier, but I struggle to grasp if or how any man would be disgusted at learning that a hot woman is a lesbian. Instead of being turned on by it
how many niggers are in it
>>221239142In Star City, zero. There's one Indian woman, and I think all other characters are supposed to be ethnically Soviet Russian (though played by Brits)
>>221239019no luna 17 aborted while in orbit, the one from pic crash landed
>>221238353it's ok when chernobyl does it
>>221239169>no luna 17 aborted while in orbitbut they jettisoned their habitation module and it went down and crashed into the surface. the dates and description of what impacted (an inflatable base) from famk line up with luna 17
>>221239168i might watch it then. thank you
>>221239185angloids cant read. theres something in their water
>>221237691it was dumb and wokethe bolshevik effort to emancipate women was based on "freeing" them from householding and forcing them into large-scale socialised domestic services, namely heavy industrial workthe family unit was seen as another class that needed to be abolished in the class warsee Lenins speech @ International Working Women’s Day, 1921
>>221239193you are right, and unless there's a timeskip i guess we won't get to see zvezda
>>221239232Its dumb yeah but its exactly as you said the "freed" woman can also go to the moon. Take that capitalist pig dog! Soviets always tried to one up americans however pointless it was. US astronauts get 1 tube of ice cream, well ours get 2! etc etc. in reality they didn't 2 shits about equality other than party upper member were more equal than others.
>>221239232Screech about it being woke all you want, it still happened for real. So with a show set very shortly after the timeline diverged, the believable thing is for it to still reflect some of that.
>>221239338yeah. i guess they were worried about audiences getting bored if there wasnt a new storyline which is why were focusing on venus but tbdesu i enjoy famk's world enough that id have been fine with this show literally just being famk but the soviets. seeing the other side of the events of famk's early seasons would have been cool, but im not actually sure how much of that were going to get, at least any time soon
>>221239368>divergethats an understatementit rapidly starts jumping sharks like North Korean Mars bases and shit
>>221239399When Star City was first announced, it sounded like it would be more of a prequel. Where it doesn't begin with Leonov landing on the moon (and then forgetting about him and never even showing his face...), instead it shows the efforts leading up to it and the reasons why the Soviets got there first. Them reaching the moon would be the triumph toward the end of the season. I might have preferred that
>>221239440I'm talking about Star City. Diverge is the correct word for it when it's still in 1969 or 1970
>>221237760Aaron Sorkin can write a good script on a technical level (having a solid beginning, middle, ending, etc), but his political are so dated, hyper left-wing, and awful. He injects his ideals into everything he writes. The worst part is he never questions if he's wrong. I watched all of the West Wing. It's an entertaining political show with its dialog, but it's so unrealistic that I have to roll my eyes. Only the Democrats are smart and intelligent. Republicans can't debate well and are war mongering and corrupt, and they only need more education to realize that Democrats are right about everything. That's the West Wing. Also Texas is blue? What kind of fantasy nonsense is this. Texas has never been blue.By chance Did you ever watch The Newsroom written by Sorkin? Sorkin made a big deal about how the government would never track people through our phones, and anyone who thinks so is a paranoid conspiracy theorist. Then literally, while the show was still airing, it was revealed the government uses our phones to track citizens.
>>221235943The problem with this show ?and For All Mankind) is that the writers don't actually want to explore alternate history scenarios. They only want to use alternate history as a background setting to explore their own personal political and to add lots of drama to the show. We could have had an awesome show where the Soviet Union's top rocket scientist and engineer didn't fall sick and die, and see all the breakthrough technological ideas he was working on to push the Soviet program. Thus the Soviets were able to beat the Americans to the moon. Instead these shows are just 95% filled politics, fighting, weird sex storylines, and lots of drama drama drama and more melo drama. It's total wasted potential for such an interesting setting.
>>221239617>We could have had an awesome show where the Soviet Union's top rocket scientist and engineer didn't fall sick and die, and see all the breakthrough technological ideas he was working on to push the Soviet programThat arguably is what a large portion of the show is about. But his efforts are focused on getting to Venus instead of that first moon landing
>>221239537i dont really have any strong feelings about the west wing either way, it was just the first example off the top of my head of an evidently political show because i wanted to argue with the other anon kek (because for all mankind is not far behind it in terms of being overtly political in its premise)i havent seen the newsroom (aside from the two famous clips, the one of jeff daniels saying america is in decline and the one of olivia munn speaking japanese). i find sorkin to be fairly hit or miss, more the latter than the former. his dialogue is not at all how real people speak but i think it can work; i think he needs the right team around him to rein him in and create a story that matches the vibe. a few good men is a fantastic fill and the wordy monologues are a huge part of making it as good as it is. but if hes given too much freedom his scripts are just reddit-sounding fantasy soapboxes for, like you say, outdated political grandstanding
>>221235943It's a show for women like all modern tv shows
>>221239676Sorkin would never allow a character in his show to genuinely challenge his political beliefs. For example, there would never be a Black or Latino Republican character who questions why all Democrat run cities are filled with homeless, drugs, and corruption. We would never see a debate between a competent and well spoken Republican character and a Democrat. Sorkin would NEVER allow that. There would be no Republican character of color who asks why Los Angeles is one of the most richest cities on the planet, yet looks like a poor third world country is many parts of it. Theoretically LA is so rich that it SHOULD look like Dubai. Yet it's a drug and crime infested third world sh1thole. Where does the money go? Sorkin would never allow a true genuine debate in his show about that. It's a pity because I really like Sorkin's writing style and rapid dialog.
>>221235943The writers don't want to actually explore historical characters or events. They just want action figures so they rewrite history, make every gay, or rewrite important events to insert their own made up characters. Like that Brown chick from For All Mankind who was an illegal Mexican but is somehow a genius and saves the Nasa problem multiple times. And no one cares challenge her girl power.
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>>221239893You think you are being clever but it's true. The main writer and producer has been writing Women's TV shows for a long while now. Look up Outlander. It's his main thing now. He appeals to women and does women's podcasts.
>>221236054fpbpfooled me once with "for all mankind"not fooling me twice
>>221239879>saves the Nasa problem multiple times. And no one cares challenge her girl powerGMS
>>221237321being mad at successful white men isn't a political opinion
>>221237321>Are you retarded?As someone who was alive during the Cold War, identity politics like today was not a topic back then. During the Cold war it was about arguing and debating which political system was superior. America VS the Soviet Union. It was some by making a bigger military, better technology, or great achievements like sending satellites into space or landing on the moon. America won the Cold War in a rather stupid way. They went into massive debt and outspent the Soviet Union. The Soviets went bankrupt trying to keep up with America.
>>221239046I get what you're saying but I just don't buy that's what the writers meant entirely by the tone of the scene, and even if it was, I don't buy that the wording he used lines up with his previous reaction at all, and I don't buy that the writers weren't using him as a mouthpiece in the wrong way even if that's how they justify it his character speaking the words.
>>221239977Yeah the only reason left for watching For All Mankind was John Kinoman. I really had to force myself to finish the season because someone promised me it got better (it didn't).I only kind of care about Dev and Margot and I like the Asian kid's girlfriend with the nice dumpy and milkers.
>>221240115>As someone who was alive during the Cold War, [fanfiction]
>>221240303#1 disappointment of that season is when Lily goes back into the corn but it turns out her plan wasn't to take her dress off and emerge without it. It's to perform a song which shouldn't exist
>>221240303>>221240579lily is great but we were robbed with regard to avery
>>221240358Lmao. It's pathetic that you think there are not 40 and 50 year olds on 4chan. We aren't just a bunch of teens and 20 somethings like you.
>>2212403581991 wasn't all that long ago.
>>221240358buddy, I'm 45wasn't there at the start, but saw the endI watched the berlin wall fall on live tv with tom brokawjust know you're reposting shitty memes with your dad and his loser friends
>>221235943Is it more girlboss slop like the original show? If so I'm going to have to hard pass like I did with the first one.
>>221240115>identity politics was not a topic during the Civil Rights Movement in the 1960s>identity politics was not a topic in 80s and 90s with the AIDS epidemic and DOMA and DADT trying to stop everyone from being gay
>>221240746>>221240970>>221240998i wasnt doubting your age, just your understanding of the cold war
>>221241024no when ellen wilson passed legislation to prevent soldiers disclosing their sexuality that was made up woke nonsense, the real 90s didnt have those kind of identity politics!the discourse about woke surrounding famk is always funny because without fail the stuff being called woke fanfic is just lifted from irl
>>221240579If I was him I would have thanked dev for keeping me from having to sit through any more of that
>>221241145The difference is that the Russians didn't care if Americans had gay soldiers or not. The Cold war was about political and government power. Not sexuality.
>>221241145If you didn't care about politics back in the 80s and 90s, then all you needed to do was change the channel, and avoid the newspaper. Today, woke politics are everywhere. It's hard to avoid it.
>>221241145>the discourse about woke surrounding famk is always funny because without fail the stuff being called woke fanfic is just lifted from irlIRL the higher ups gave less than a shit about the female cosmonaut (even the guy who started it was just interested scientifically), thought it would be disruptive, and it's unlikely landing her on the moon would have changed that outlook.The black female astronaut was 20 years too early.There has never been a female president. There has never been an openly gay president. Much less in the 90s.If you want to say that somehow a woman landing on the moon would have magically changed society faster, be my guest. But don't act like these are things that actually happened. At best it's loosely based on real life events with an optimistic spin fueled by the writers' political leanings.I don't find it very believable myself.
>>221241485>Even the guy who started itI meant to say the guy who started the female astronaut program that got shut down
>>221240579>a song which shouldn't existStarships released in Feb 2012, the season takes place in summer 2012
>>221241342The show is primarily from the American perspective and isn't exclusively focused on Cold War posturing, especially in the earlier seasons. Not everything that happens in the alternate timeline has to be something the Soviets would care about.
>>221235943ALL THE STARSARE HERE
>>221241593It's 46 years after Korolev survived his surgery and the timeline diverged. It's implausible that the exact same pop songs would be produced in the other timeline. It might be implausible for Nicki Minaj to even have been born
>>221235943Maybe we will find out what happened to the Russian Mars flight. I assume the ruskies had a nuclear bomb on board in case the cowboys were going to win, and it's about to crash on Titan and wreck all life.
>>221241727We will, when F.AM season 6 comes out in another ~2 years, not in Star City
Actually good episode.... Rat scene was cherry on top.....
