This thread is for:*Screenshots, pages, and discussion about general series, current or old, not covered by an existing thread, be it yuri, fanservice, subtext or goggles. Canon and non-canon both welcome.*News reports about things relevant to our interest*Original content that doesn't fit any specific thread topics*Talk about the greatest LN romance of our time.*Pretty much anything that doesn't have or need its own thread.Previous thread: >>4535978
>>4543019Can they retcon Arf back into the plot? Even though there's no hope for yuri since Feito-chan is taken, their dynamic in season 1 was so good. Why the hell did they turn her into a babysitter for some literal who babies?
Feel like you ladies would appreciate this take off my Tumblr feed
>>4543792Who's gonna get iPS pregnant Rei or Claire?
>>4543814But anon, """lesbians""" fucking men is more realistic and adult! How is anyone going to take your lesbian romance story seriously if they don't suck 15 dicks throughout the story?
>>4543814They are all about representing minorities, to absurd degrees like adding black nobles in medieval europe, until the minority is actual lesbians. Then any depiction of it becomes "unrealistic"
>>4543816Shut up, Erica.
>>4543815Rei duh>>4543817That's obviously because they cannot imagine anything without a phallus involved. That's why they keep making contradicting statements of allowing otherwise straight couples into the fold while getting pissy if you're purely a homosexual>>4543833Has she ever advocated for that tho?
>>4543814I appreciate it a lot.It's even worse when they take the few lesbian stories we got and headcanon past het into it. I hate them so fucking much.
>>4543861It helps when you mostly follow radfemsI definitely agree with you. My annoyance is also when it's yet another fucking sad story. So westerners either get bi shit (not inherently bad but keeps happening), sad gays, or there are lesbians but put off to the side. It's so fucking infuriating
While "realism" is often a shitty cowardly justification still commonly used, the truth is that they are just pandering to the audiences they have, if your main western demographic is male they don't want to see "lesbians", they want to see women who will get fucked, so either bisexual or worse realize during the course of the story she was one, if not straight. Meanwhile western women just don't relate to lesbians at all, it's not so much they don't believe gold star lesbians couldn't exist but they don't believe themselves could ever been one. And of course then you have the worst audience inside those demographics sometimes works are promoted to, the "LGBT" audience, which the further the right it goes, the more issues it has with the portrayal of lesbians.
>>4543880So basically we're fucked in terms of broad-ish and indy appeal. Neat >believe themselves could ever been oneGod so true
>>4543881It took Japan decades to actually cultivate a culture of appreciating female relationship in fiction, even so with came with several caveats of basically working around lesbianism, "they just feel in love with someone who was of the same gender" and so on, only in the more recent years you actually have seen authors pushing for the idea the girls would also not be attracted to male versions of their lovers. It's very ironic but Chinese manhua is probably the only place which has an actual appreciation of lesbianism.
>>4543883I mean from what I see, Thai GL is doing pretty good with that too. But still you're right. If anything when China either fully relaxes or legalizes homosexual marriages they will be to powerful. Like those Korean and Japanese comics from 2 years ago
>>4543871>radfemsSounds like something you find in Fallout.
>>4543891They are about as radioactive too. But are at least getting the job done in promoting and keeping lesbian rights in the western hell scape
>>4543880I just create for myself with only myself in mind. Not trying to appeal to anyone but me, and I actively avoid gaining an audience because everytime I start to get more eyes on my work is when the annoying people start coming out and wondering why I'm not somehow involving men. Not sure why you put "LGBT" audience as the worst, typically its the men and straight women that are the worst to have as an audience for your f/f work.
>>4543900>Not sure why you put "LGBT" audience as the worstI give that a pass since the + is full of spicy straights. Even bi women deserve more respect than what's being offered by what's out there> I just create for myself with only myself in mind.See that's what you should do but it's hard to for some of these people to make things for their own enjoyment. Regardless if it's being put out there or not
>>4543900Anon, I don't want to be rude, but the original post was talking about books and the discussion extended itself to other media, we are not not talking about your fanfic or your webcomic or whatever it is your hobby project. Straight men and women are predicable, the LGBT audience will often turn against works and creators for petty if not imaginary reasons, easily observable with almost every new yuri manga localization announcement.
>>4543902if you really think the majority of lesbians consuming lesbo fiction would get mad at a les4les relationship, you are making up things to get mad at. The troll you saw on twitter is not a real person
>>4543903>if you really think the majority of lesbians consuming lesbo fiction would get mad at a les4les relationshipI'm not sure the dozen of them matter in the scale we are talking about, this is why I said>which the further the right it goes, the more issues it has with the portrayal of lesbians.
>>4543903Depends on how that relationship is depicted, of course.
>>4543792>editionUuuughhh. Come on. Fuck off.
>>4543902>Straight men and women are predictable Imagine saying something so retarded.
>>4543883>"they just feel in love with someone who was of the same gender"At least they just said that as something of a mandatory line they thought readers needed. They didn't necessarily actually have the girls involved with guys or being attracted to them. The West is weird. Somehow the idea of diversity became just about accepting kinks without limits. And then there's the weird way that they treat sex like empowerment rather than connection. Actual lesbianism isn't welcome by and large. Asian content is ahead on that, with Japan in the lead and China doing its best to catch up.
>>4543885Hopefully that won't take too long. Here's hoping the oldies in power start retiring soon.
>>4543907Are you okay?
SumiLili song should be out soon.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QulHtowM_6o
>>4543940You've been hit by, you've been struck by, a smooth criminal.
I need more gyaru Fushigidane yuri.
>>4544045
We need more old women yuri
>>4544045>using Japanese names for gen 1 monsWatch out, we got a hipster grandma over here.
>>4544045If only there was a Nintendo thread where Pokemon pics are freely shared. Alas.
Shame about the rest of the show
>>4543446>Witch Hunter RobinThis show left me feeling a lot of feelings twenty.....four years ago.
>>4544053What's wrong with it?
>>4544075The het, particularly featuring those two characters
>>4544077Frankly, the only real het was Gabimaru wanting to get back with his wife; the rest was weird crap from flowery people and things that don't qualify as het, just nonsense.
>>4543444>>4544054Does Witch Hunter Robin have some yuri elements?
What kind of unfunny bullshit is John 4chan going to have for us tomorrow, I wonder.
>>4544100I don't even remember any after the infection one from 2020.
>>4544100>>4544101After making every board unavailable as the worst prank of all times last year, I honestly believe they will step up their game and ask you to download CP so you can post
Ouch> 一年に一度だけ、本当の気持ちを言える日
>>4544083NoHowever that was a scene in Witch Hunter Robin that made me mistakenly think it was two women kissing. Of course it wasnt, but the thought of it was so exciting and new to me at the time that it eventually led me down to the dark and frustrating path of yuri.
>>4544046Remember when you use to like Pokemon for, the pokemons?
>>4544108I remember there being 151 Pokemon, no more and no less. Times change.
>>4544108Pokemon design suffered a gradual drop in quality since the 6th or so generation. Gen 9 had practically zero memorable designs. It's been all about doujinbait characters for a while now.
Riddle for the ages:Which is gayer, identical twin lesbian incest or fraternal twin lesbian incest.
>>4544108Yeah I went to see Pokémon the first movie in theater
I wish the first yuri manga were as sexual as the first yaoi manga. Imagine a girl prostituting herself for the other girls in the school and being referred to as a dyke whore or an older lady with a harem of orphan girls she groomed for a yuri manga in the 1960s. Class S was a mistake. R-18 yuri doujins, yuri smut manga and yuri eroge still have not caught up in numbers to het/yaoi to this day.
>>4544151>I wish they pandered to men moreLeave
First Void Stranger art I've seen.
I finally finished Futaribeya after putting off the final volume for a while. The ending was rather anti-climatic? There was a chapter where they had their first kiss while star gazing and Sakurako asks for Kasumi’s opinion on dating in the next chapter, so it felt like it was headed towards a real conclusion with an actual confession. Sakurako being disappointed in the response lead me to believe Kasumi would come up with a real answer. However nothing really happens and they are content with their current relationship. I guess it’s fitting but I wish there was some form of closure.
>>4544232I mean, one of the doujin revealed they even had sex with each other already, so dating or not dating is just a formality at this point
>>4544151just kill yourself
>>4544238Huh I don't remember that
>>4544167>pixel /v/Please stop
>>4544151
>>4544240i just read it, its in the collection of short stories.
>>4544160>do i fit in yet galsNo, you don't. Fuck off.
decided to pick up el cazador de la burja because of the previous thread.why is episode 6 literally just 'Nardie gets cucked by the same dude twice' like a retard?
>>4544151I wish it was violent instead. I want lesbians killing aliens and committing acts of terrorism.Oh god I just found out what the fucking april fools day joke for 4chan is this year AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>4544245>I don't know anything about the history or yuri or yaoi. I just want more pornKill yourself
https://www.famitsu.com/article/202604/70470They made Science Daughters for the Shinymas April Fool joke.
>>4544245Dumb ass newfag.
>female James Bond Hell yeah this is gonna be hilarious>todays date Oh, right….
Why is Kiki posting about science babies between the yuri pairings on his X? Is there a sequel to Omae Gotoki in the works?
>>4544339It's an april fools post, but he did brought up the idea in the story itself, he just never developed it.
Today remember that the first woman astronaut was a sapho
The International Court of Justice has ruled that it does, indeed, count if you lose your virginity to an android.
>>4544370When do they hear arguments on what counts as an android? Does drawing a face on a vibrator qualify?
>>4544371No, but it does make for an interesting Toy Story script.
>>4544371One day Vibrators will have AI and they not only will judge they count, they will have more rights than you do.
>>4544339Post them, please?
>>4544324>female James BondLara Croft has been around for 30 years already (and thankfully she's been claimed by lesbians)
>>4544385>>and thankfully she's been claimed by lesbians
>>4544385>thankfully [Lara Croft has] been claimed by lesbiansAnon, I...
>>4544381https://x.com/i/status/2039128884088852979
>Magical girl site>Girls last tour>Takopis original sin>Outsiders paradise >Tropical fish yearns for snowGreat things are happening at the yuri table
>>4544441>Magical girl sitei meant magical girl witch trials
>>4544441whats the one with the lady with the suitcase and the one right beneath it?
>>4544441Takopi was yuri? Maybe I should actually read it then
Putting manga for people to read is not a statement you retard>>4544444The most yuri part was when both of them were fighting for the same guy>>4544443The Adventurer for Lady Margaret and Magical Girl Witch trials
>>4544441>znkw is the only work in the first row that hasn't been adapted yetI see that the Kyoto yuri club is also living in hope.
>>4544469I am not leaking anything, but if say a new Yuru Yuri season was somehow announced this month, you would see a Zenkowa announcement very soon too.
>>4544464>The most yuri part was when both of them were fighting for the same guyAre you referring to the completely discarded timeline?What I remember in the end is that they both became friends when they were little and you see them together in the future without any problems and without that boy anywhere around, the most hilarious thing is that they never fought over the boy, that's just in your head.
>>4544486NTA but you didn't make it sound better at all
>>4544494It's better to tell the truth than to invent a (het) plot that didn't exist in the first place. A lot of details are ignored for a series of only 6 episodes, where Het is the wrong way and I'm not even exaggerating.
>>4544509If it's not yuri I don't really care either way
>>4544511Those two end up together in the end, that's a fact.
>>4544441Tropical fish makes me mad
https://twitter.com/nikumarusuisann/status/2039543405748052348
>>4544586This is an honest way to move a romantic plot forward.
>>4544441Isn't one of those manga the one where the JK who plays piano goes over the adult woman's house who smokes and has all the shit lying around? It looks like one of the covers for Hametsu no Koibito. Did it ever actually become yuri? It had a nice age gap, but the story moved at a glacial pace and I don't remember anything romantic happening before the translations stalled out. Looks like it got nuked from mangadex, too.
>>4544464Sorry I meant below as in from the buyer's pov, not ours
>>4544613You will have to show it on the image then, no other title fits your description
>>4544614
>>4544615>someone in /u/ still doesn't know Zenkowa in 2026
>>4544615Zenkowa.
>>4544615Really? You don't know one of the titles that cause most autism here and on /a/?
>>4544615>Girl ships YURIharem in a series mostly known for het>Not between the girls and her the self-insert but a literal harem involving all members of the group>Girl goes on to write a Yuri Harem mangaWhat is this phenomenon called?
Last chapter of IdolxIdol.I can't believe Koyuki stole Karin's loli admirer. I can't believe Momoko is like that. Oshihen is forbidden!Poor Karin. She has to settle for a shitty tsundere like An now.
>>4544441It’s actually a kind of captcha. The Yuri Club’s elders, who uphold the highest standards, closely monitor which books a newcomer candidate shows interest in and decide whether to accept them into the Club or kick them out in disgrace.
>>4544464>The most yuri part was when both of them were fighting for the same guyThis isn't even true, lmao.
>>4544584take your frustration out on the author
>>4543792
>>4544620Koyuki is the perfect onee-san in an onee-loli relationship though
>>4544617danke>>4544616>>4544618im just in a weird spot with yuri right now and i havent browsed /a/ since wfm
I miss these two and wanna see them flirt onscreen again
>>4544809You will and soon
I always thought that Rae was cuter than Claire.
Despite female mangakas making up 80%+ of all yuri writers, why are tomboy characters so rare in yuri? There's usually one token tomboy character in yuri if you're lucky, who's usually very girlish still. I guess the "yuri hime" stereotype is true?
>>4544888Japanese women seem more feminine in general. True of Asian women in general, I think.
>>4544888>why are tomboy characters so rare in yuriBecause they're usually ugly.
>>4544884because she's dorkier and kinda weird, so I guess more relatable?
>>4544888No? We had several works with tomboys, we literally have two ongoing works that are tomboy x tomboy.
>>4544900She is a isekai protagonist after all, until Inori fucks with her character and she is just his voice for the most ridiculous arguments you can think of over social issues.
>>4544888Nemo isn't a tomboy she's a girl gamer
>>4544888She's so mean to her retarded girlfriend :(
Ah I just remembered School zone had a tomboy as the main love interest for the protagonist.
>>4544909>:(
>>4544907Nemo: tomboyMichiko: butchHaruka: genkiKaoruko: karen Kiwi: slampigKnow the difference.
>>4544888>why are tomboy characters so rare in yurithey're not though?there's plenty of tomboy and princely girls
>>4544910She's not really a tomboy. She's only embarassed of her long hair because the protag couldn't stop touching it. One of the twin sisters is actually a tomboy though.
How yuri is Eris no Seihai?
>>4544902Like defending the treasonous incest hetshit couple? That was the weirdest, batshit, out of nowhere thing in the beginning.
>>4544931that's not even in the top 5 weirdest things she's done
Is Shiboyugi yuri? I'm watching it right now because I have nothing to do but I saw someone mention it is yuri even though I've never heard of this show before.
I wish there was more casual flirting in the manga I read. Like, not something added to meet a quota or as fan service but something that tells you there is indeed intimacy in the characters' every day life rather than being outbursts of lust
>>4544931>Why did Rae defend her friend who was forced into evil?
>>4543885>>4543931Are you delusional? The CCP dictatorship isn't going to disappear. They fucked their population so badly with the One-Child law that now there are way too few women, so Big Brother Xi will continue to villify homosexuals and push for hyper traditional hetshitter dynamics in the country. Old men dying is not the problem. A autocratic nation will always be anti-minority, because they need to distract the people with an easy enemy to bash.
>>4544232Yukiko is a hack obssessed with her "no labels" bullshit. What else do you expect? It's just another manifestation of pretentiousness that some yuri authors are mired with. This constant need to "go beyond" simple romance and be somehow innovative and special for not using the same terms and dynamics everyone else has.There isn't even a point to it, she just wanted to half-ass this message regardless of the fact that everyone told her there is no point.
>>4544232PS: That wasn't their first kiss. They had some before, even on-screen.
>>4544942The only relationships are between girls, be they love, hate or anything in-between. Over the course of the story several girls get enamored and obsessed with Yuuki who herself at best only has eyes for her shishou without going into spoilers for volume 5 where there was another. There's a yuri couple allegedly having sex around volume 8, but I haven't got that far myself and even then I wouldn't call the series yuri because of it. It's only very easy to ship pairs because death games can cause some very intense relationships to form.
>>4544884Claire is designed to be more sexy than cute.
https://x.com/kimiwotsumugu/status/2040384028872724877?s=20
>>4545001>https://x.com/kimiwotsumugu/status/2040384028872724877?s=20Definitely out of nowhere:https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2026-04-04/let-me-fix-you-yuri-manga-gets-short-anime/.236081
>>4544942It's not, no. It's very much intended to be an artsy Anime Squid Game rather than Cute Girls Do Death Games. The cast is entirely female and some girls do get close to each other, but the focus is on the games themselves and Yuki trying to break the record for surviving the most games. Yuki does have an arc with a hot oujosama who wants to dominate her, so that's where a lot of the yuri fanart came from. I liked the show enough that I started reading the books, and Yuki enjoys having the other girls cling to her for protection and she wants to touch the fat girl's thighs, stuff like that. She can identify the other girls in the first game of the first volume by just touching their hands from the time where they kept stealing her food from out of her hand and she mentions that she realizes now why some people get a hand fetish and it felt very gay. She also mentions that, generally, only attractive people get scouted for the games in order to increase viewership, and some girls sign up for the games for the sole purpose of getting close to cute girls, so there are dykes out there that play death games to pick up chicks. Also, if you're wondering what those numbers mean that flash on the screen and increase as the episode goes on, those are the subchapter numbers from the novels.
So what's the /u/ verdict on omae gotoki?
>>4545045twas alright, but i dont see myself reading the LN
>>4545046The LN is far better though. I can't see myself ever watching more than one episode of the anime adaptation.
>>4544929Nothing, the (beautiful) ghost girl is only seeking revenge and befriends the normal girl to achieve that, sometimes she possesses her, they have a friendly relationship, the only romance is between Het couples and when you might think there is something yuri, it was really just admiration that does not transcend to anything romantic.
>>4544942>>Is Shiboyugi yuri?As the other Anon said, it's yuri in its own way.>>4545044So my theory that Yuki is a pervert who just wants to touch girls or be near them turned out to be true? Cool, I guess.What follows in adaptation is a movie adapting a beach arc; I hate that format, but something is better than nothing.
>>4544973Hay as long as 4b keeps trucking their situation isn't gonna get any better. So they can keep vilifing them all they want, it's not gonna get those women to marry those losers
>>4544973Cuba's a dictatorship too but they passed same-sex marriage and lgbt rights before Japan. I'll remain hopeful towards China.
>>4545088Cuba and China have pretty consistent Ws. I'm choosing to believe in their government recognizing a woman's right to get her clam fishing license
>Awajima anime by the Aoi Hana author lost all hype by the English fandom because she retweeted a transphobic tweet years agoWas it fair?
>>4545098Typical Western nonsense (which ironically doesn't contradict anything). People should be worried about the content of the work, which will be the real problem. I just hope I don't have a director complaining about the fans because the anime isn't a success.
>>4545098Considering what she's written, is it actually transphobic or are they being retarded?Also anyone else keeping up with "even though we're adults"? It's been a while and I need to know if they got together or if the author is more interested in making fun of the husband for getting cucked by a woman?
>>4544942Lol no
>>4544931I wish it was only this, because the solution for this was just to send them to incest island where they had many retarded children.
>>4545045Disappointing for trying to adapt parts of the manga which is mostly nonsense, but at same time the focus the anime gave to make clear to everyone it was a yuri anime was heartwarming.
>>4545100The fans of this work and yuri fans are different things though, if anything she would be complaining about shoujo fans. >>4545102Almost every yuri author has the exactly same opinions, especially women, this specific audience projects themselves into yuri and get upset when turns out people from a culture who doesn't accept them in fact doesn't accept them.
>>4545118Idk I saw the anime years ago before I got back into yuri and it's way more respectful of the topic than they deserve. So either way, they are being retarded
>>4545126This goes without saying, people trying to be respectful are always the first on their list because they are the easiest targets.
>>4545088They are not even remotely comparable. Being hopeful towards a growingly anti-LGBT government and culture is retarded.>>4545090Neither of them have anything positive going on. One has been falling apart for decades and the other is an expansionist surveillance state nation that is anti-homosexual, represses all free press, directly controls academia and curriculum (which is why they officially re-established homosexuality as a mental illness, despite any real doctor being able to tell you it's not) and have actively euthanized minorites they don't like. Not even mentioning the sham of a justice system that allows the CCP to execute basically anyone that is remotely seen as non-confirming, with trials that are not available to the public, torture being allowed to force confession and the death penalty being used liberally. Believing that this shitshow of a nation will ever improve is delusional.
>>4545118>turns out people from a culture who doesn't accept them in fact doesn't accept themJapan doesnt accept lesbians any more than trannies, so your point is really bad. I could mention hundreds of examples in Jap media (and general culture) where trans characters or concept are actually positively promoted too, so clearly it's something that is just as accepted in fiction the way yuri is. Even if you look at rea life, Okama culture has been there for longer than there have been lesbian bars. Japan is not anti-trans, it's just generally swiping LGBT into the corner where you don't have to look at them.So basically you are trying to treat Japan's regressive conservatism as a good thing because you can use it as a weapon against trannies, without acknowleding the irony of how it actively harms lesbians and yuri just as much.Btw, actual LGBT people in Japan are very open minded about every other section of LGBT communities, unlike in the West were the camps fight each other, because Japs are too polite to be openly hostile towards each other, even within minorities. So you will hardly see "transphobia" among lesbians there. Hell lots of lesbians read BL trash over there.
>>4545188>One has been falling apart for decadesThanks to Uncle Sam
>>4545190Cuba's entire economic concept failed from the start. Their cult of personality is extremely idiotic, but I guess that's something they share with Murica. There is nothing to idealize about Cuba, but like I said, you can't compare it to China. It's just a small irrelevant dot on the map that is barely getting by. There is no real reason for them to force an anti-homosexual stance as it wouldn't benefit the dictatorship that is more focused on surviving economic collapse. They also have a very powerful common enemy to focus on with the US, so they don't need minority scapegoats.China is actively problematic both inwardly and outwardly, because complete control is an active goal and like I said, they completely fucked up their population numbers which led to a huge skew towards men. When there is an overwhelming amount of men in a country, that usually means war is very close and women's and LGBT rights are on a downward spiral. It's amazing how anybody can actually defend a nation that is so openly and actively hostile towards lesbians and lesbian media, but I've long since noticed that there are plenty of chinese drones here.
>>4545188China does, just none of it on the social front>falling apart for decadesYou're really underselling 60 years of trade embargos>>4545189>lesbians read BL trash over thereAnd they make phenomenal yuri out of it>>4545192I'm just a shill for the 4b movement really. Besides with sperm counts declining as it is moids, are gonna get put in a wall sooner rather than later. IVG babies from women only couples is the future weather they like it or not
>>4545192>It's amazing how anybody can actually defend a nation that is so openly and actively hostile towards lesbians and lesbian media, but I've long since noticed that there are plenty of chinese drones here.Nah, it's just convenient ignorance. Many people ignore important factors in other parts of the world and only see what suits them. We really shouldn't care about the policies those nations have. Some people seem to live under the false notion that "legalizing gay marriage translates into more yuri content," when the sad reality is that's not the case. You can complain about Japan all you want like a good snob, but the reality is that that country and its yuri content are the reason many of us are here or give a damn about lesbian romance. Without it, all we'd have is porn and stories that nobody really cares about.
>>4545102Even Though We're Adults has been finished for over a year. Yes they do get together and move in with each other.
>>4545199>legalizing gay marriage translates into more yuri contentThat depends, has anyone tracked the rate of yuri shows coming out of Thailand since they legalized last year?
>>4545200Yeyyy. Did she ever stop taking pot shot at the husband for being such a loser? Cause that was good reprieve in between the main couple and the high school(?) girl
>>4545203Show me the lie.
>>4545203Please no, don't make me take her side, I like her now, what did you do to me?!
Yuri?
>>4545198>China doesThat's debatable. Their economy is not as stable as the CCP wants you to think and the housing bubble is always close to bursting around there. Entire empty cities are built and torn down over and over without sense because the government sponored companies are going bankrupt due to speculation. Not to mention the extreme poverty on the countryside. And their "tech innovations" are just as stupid as techbros in Murica. Lest we forget that their major AI software could easily be hacked recently. Or how their robotics are actually mostly gas and zero substance. Or how they spill nuclear waste directly into the ocean and covered that up. Or how they were stupid enough to let to covid virus escape their lab which ravaged not just the world, but especially China's own population.>You're really underselling 60 years of trade embargosI wasn't saying that it's all self-inflicted. It's a shitty situation all around.>IVG babies from women only couples is the future weather they like it or notUtopic, but I sure would love that future.
>>4545198>lesbians read BL trash over there>And they make phenomenal yuri out of itThat doesn't even make sense...
>>4545189I don't think so, recently we even had a lesbian yuri author who was attacked by the people you are talking about because she had diverging opinions about them, one of the creeps attacking her was even part of that recent yuri book in the perspective of a feminist or something like, which was wildly mocked by the japanese community for a lot of wild claims with no sources and basically no input from any relevant author. This subculture of nice people who love each other very much is nothing but a narrative you bought if not made up yourself. Same for what you call "positive representation", when that manga called how I turned my childhood friend into a girl was localized, they had to reprint the whole thing because the author got upset the localization as referring to the cross-dressing character as a woman and this also got the community you are talking about upset with the author as they understood what the author support is the idea of "cute men crossdressing and being part of a homosexual relationship" not "gender ideology". Japan is a conservative country, this is just the truth, I don't see the point in pretending it isn't, yuri is a japanese concept which doesn't exist anywhere else in the world, this is a board and a thread to talk about this japanese subculture, which exists in a conservative society, so whether you like it or not, the japanese authors, who live in japan, who are part of a conservative society will also mostly have conservative values and opinions and this will extend itself to the group of people you are talking about, most authors love them as much they love immigration and you can cry they are regressive or whatever you want to call them, but you are here talking about a product created in a japanese conservative society and not in your "progressive world".
>>4545199Anon... LGBT acceptance/rights directly correlate to LGBT media. Japan is in a very unusual balance where they dont support LGBT much, but the fictional side is extremely ubiquitous. But make no mistakle, if anti-LGBT movements get big in a country, this actively leads to lesbian media being either demonized, criminalized or pushed down (China is a prime example of that especially between 2019-2024). Legalizing gay marriage is not what enables yuri media, but any kind of general acceptance improves the rate of such media being released.And let's not forget how fucking retarded the Class S era of the 60-80s was when men controlled same-sex media and when society was so hostile towards lesbians that lesbianism was nearly erased in the public image and treated as a "phase". Yuri is a direct counter-movement to that era and is a sign of more liberal strands of Japanese youth shining through. I cannot stress enough that conservatism is actively hurting yuri media at all points in history. Even when it's not about yuri directly, the conservatives are the ones who forced artists to censor porn in Japan which actively lowers the quality of yuri doujins since the 90s too.
>>4545204Oviously /u/ agrees with that stance, but the question was whether she said something transphobic, and by all definitions that statement is considered such. Doesn't mean she is wrong, but it explains why a lot of people would be angry at her.
>>4545209Please go to the fujo yuri thread, it's kino
>>4545212China is one of the biggest producers of homosexual media in the world.
>>4545211>60-80sWasn't that the 30's-50's, when women were just banned from publishing because of Frued's bs? >LGBT acceptance/rights directly correlate to LGBT mediaThis is true and saying otherwise is just ignorant
>>4545213In the end, what does it matter? The people who are angry with her are not real consumers; rather, they are people who live under the notion that the entertainment industry in general owes them money for existing.
>>4545215Yes and that's why I have hope they do accept us more before IVG becomes ubiquitous and we move closer to that Kodama Naoko 4-koma
>>4545210This entire post is so badly structured and contradictory, it hurts.So first you say that the LGBT camps in Japan do fight each other, clearly not having the same conservaitve ideology at all, but then you say they are all conservative and will just have conservative values. While also ignoring the entire history of yuri works that actively pointed out how retarded Japanese society is about mistreating lesbians and acticely telling men who try to control womem to fuck off.Then you use one example of a recent BL trash work being mislabeled as tranny content which caused a small outcry as if it somehow represents the entire discussion on tranny content in Japan, even though the point was that there is lots of positive promotion of tranny characters, not that the majority supports them.The entire concept of a "female soul" in male bodies has been extremely relevant to Japanese media and mythology for centuries. There is lots of modern media where trannies are included and treated with (undeserving) affirmation. Just as much as lesbians in media.So as I already pointed out that Jap society hurts lesbians and lesbian media, you can tell that the same goes for trannies obviously.>yuri is a japanese concept which doesn't exist anywhere else in the worldThis is retarded nonsense. Yuri is just lesbian anime/manga/pop-culture media. Use whatever name you want, it is literally not unique to Japan in any way. You are actively telling me that it's fine that lesbians are oppressed and yuri media is being limited because "hurr-durr this conservative society created yuri". No you dumbfuck, yuri was created by people who are LESS conservative than the general mainstream or otherwise it wouldn't exist. Liberal ideas like same-sex romance and couples are not gonna spawn from pure conservatism. Yuri authors have been fighting for homosexual equality in different ways for decades. It's almost amusing how off the mark your post is, if it wasn't so sad.
>>4545214No, I dont like shitty yaoi art done be fujos who dont know how to draw women anymore because they can only imagine men fucking each other. BL artists trying to do yuri results in absolute trash 99% of the time. You were trying to say lesbians who read BL make good yuri, but that is not what the fujo thread is about. That's about straight fujos trying yuri.
Is nakinagi really yuri?
>>4545215They are not. If you actually look at the percentages instead of pure numbers, they are very low. And that is obvious, because duh a population of 2 billion+ will have more people create homosexual media despite the government actively telling them not to. Chinese artists and creators are circimventing the very law of their country and using the internet to spread media that could get them in trouble. There is literally no mainstream yuri anywhere in China. There is no yuri animation either. Lesbian live action movies? You wish. It's like praising the country for what the criminals that are actively opposing the country's ways are doing. What kind of sense does that make?
>>4545221At least look before you make sweeping judgments. Just because those ladies read BL doesn't mean they'd only draw their women like men
>>4545216>Wasn't that the 30's-50's, when women were just banned from publishing because of Frued's bs?It was 60s-80s where Shoujo and Class S media were nearly entirely controlled by men. We are talking about manga here, which was not really a thing till the late 50s to 60s. When it comes to novels, of course anything post 30s was basically male controlled too. It's insane how it took till the 80s for women to regain control over the media that is about them...
>>4545217It's just so stupid that your statement applies to lesbian media in equal measure. I sure as hell am not supporting disgusting trap BL stories or tranny shit. It's just so tiring to see these arguments being used in a way that can literally be turned back on yuri fans. At least be direct about your biases without giving anti-LGBT retards more fuel.
>>4545225Then it's not fujo yuri. It's just artists who like both yuri and BL. The only way to distinctly tell that an author is fujotrash who is trying yuri is by them using BL tropes and artstyles, which are incredibly shitty and don't fit into yuri.I think this entire thing is a misnomer. Fujoshi are exclusively obssessed with males. Lesbians who read BL are not fujos. They are still into women and media representing them.
>>4545226That's how the genre became "how to get a boyfriend" when you got women like Yoshiya Nobuko writing about her experiences as a woman and a lesbian and litterally made illegal for her to write about them. I remember reading an article about a protest she was at where she lambasted the men who'd write stories in their place and how'd she'd yell at them for bastardizing the genre (and by extension her work)
>>4545228It's litterally genderbent BL characters, that is the definition of Fujo Yuri
>>4545230Fujo yuri is not a synoym for GB'd BL characters you troglodyte... Though GB garbage is not yuri to begin with, so I guess this explains why you are defending fujos. You just love men.
Agents of the Four Seasons might be the most diabolical yuribait anime this year
>>4545219It hurts because you are just here to push your narrative, they have diverging opinions of different degrees on conservative issues, because they are a conservative society, more than half of them already supports gay marriage, but you can be pretty sure almost all of them, including your super progressive LGBT activist would have strong restrictions toward immigration, because they are a conservative society, they have largely improved over women rights in the last decades, they even have a female prime minister, can you tell me who was the first female president of your progressive heaven? But women still get treated like shit if they don't act the role because again, they live in a conservative society and whether it will improve or regress in regards to this or other areas it will be done in conservative ways, though hopefully they progress towards the ban of certain mentally ill behavior. Oh yes, by the amount of works that nowadays tackles those serious themes we can assume the fighting is finally over then, the truth is that yuri is a product and acts like a product 99% of the time, most yuri authors will never admit their works feature lesbian characters, most yuri authors won't show the character being mistreated by society beyond some generic already popular position with this conservative society which is women should have equal rights and men shouldn't be sex pests, your female character fighting back over being gropped by a gross guy in the subway is anything but fighting "against the men", maybe you should ask YH to do another taisho era manga where they barely face any actual issue of the time or maybe do another manga about how women can use pants too. 1/2 because it's too long.
>>4545192>It's just a small irrelevant dot on the map that is barely getting by. There is no real reason for them to force an anti-homosexual stance as it wouldn't benefit the dictatorship that is more focused on surviving economic collapse.This is pure nonsense. There are many irrelevant dots in the world, some of them even think they're relevant, yet they don't choose how to treat their gays based on anything other than their bigotry. Also, stop belittling the people of Cuba. They honorably battled the bigotry of their regime for decades just like people did in the US back in the day. They then achieved major victories. Nothing comes easy anywhere.And my point is that if people work hard enough for more freedom, they can achieve it anywhere regardless of what regime they have. I've got growing respect for the Chinese population. So I hope and pray they'll succeed sooner rather than later. That doesn't make me a "drone" as I'm not supporting any government anywhere. I don't even support mine.
>>4545219>>45452392/2No anon, my point is not about the work being misunderstood here, my point is that the work only got misunderstood here because you and other idiots are unable to understand what you call "positive promotion" has nothing to do with the ideology you are talking about in the first place. it's even ironic you brought BL up yourself when this is a perfect example of this, lots of fujos are completely fine with a smut manga where the guys fuck each other, but they fucking hate faggots, they still want the men in the end of the day to still follow "their responsibility", have a wife and have a family, not be in a relationship with another guy, while actual BL manga portraying healthy homosexual relationships don't get near the same attention as your yaoi smut does.Yuri is a word to describe japanese culture content involving relationships of the female gender, it doesn't even have anything to do with lesbians at all, which most yuri manga doesn't even feature, most of them still use the same excuse they are not in love with the same gender, they just are in love with this specific person who could be of any gender at all.I am not telling it's fine or not, I am telling you it is how they society is, yuri is a product that somehow only seems to exist in conservative societies, japan, china, korea, meanwhile your progressive countries are unable to create such genres.
>>4545231Except that's what a lot of fujos do you moron. They GB their moids or make yuri with yaoi vibes
>>4545243You are confusing Gender swap with Gender bending.
>>4545039I remember buying this doujinshi years ago. Didn't expect to see that when I opened the link. Interesting but it isn't really out of nowhere like it was a big budget announcement. Someone just had enough safety net to drop a year's salary or less on an indie anime from a new studio who hasn't built enough clout to charge high prices yet. I've considered doing it very often lately but these are uncertain times so I don't want to light my parachute on fire yet.
>>4545240With those thoughts, it's better to wait lying in your coffin or your cremation jar. I know things are done with effort, but you should never underestimate what a regime is capable of doing to permanently retain its power.Change will happen, but it requires determined people who take real action, not idiots on social media complaining about problems they don't understand, flattering themselves with pretty phrases and awarding themselves medals for being better than everyone else.
>>4545239>first female president of your progressive heaven?Of course you are a moron who thinks everyone is a Murican. Of course. There were and are plenty of female leaders in the West. And unlike Japan most of the west has far stronger rights for women and LGBT both, so what the hell is this half-assed attempt at a jab?You are once again actively supporting conservative retardation simply because it hurts one group you don't like, with zero brains afforded to the impact on the people you are supposedly supporting will get from that.>most yuri authors will never admit their works feature lesbian characters>most yuri authors won't show the character being mistreated by societyYeah I am not reading anymore from someone who so clearly knows nothing about the yuri genre and has obviously not read any of it. Bye.
>>4545240The Chinese populous has been brainwashed and bred into complete submission. They are very much like Russians in that way. There will never be a proper revolt agains the CCP. Collectivism is big in Asia, but China's government can kill you with wild abandon at any time, so there is even less of a chance.
>>4545231>You just love men... so you turn them into womenYou're not very smart, are you?
>>4545202iirc the husband's story moves on to him getting with his coworker, ayano's story is about how her divorce impacts her career, and akane's story is about her being the mediator between the little sister, the cheating hairdresser guy, and his wife. It's been a year since I read it so you're honestly just better off reading it yourself tho.
>>4545222it takes 98% of the manga to get there but yes
>>4545039Aww nice! I backed that Kickstarter the other week too
>>4545251Yes, from many countries which will allow men to go female jail and rape women there, such strong rights. You are free to cope you are reading works written by ultra radical feminists as much you want, but you see the authors from the CCP opressed ultra conservative country is not the one writing weird rationalizations for why the girls are in love with each other by making clear it's not about feeling attracted to the same gender, it's not them doing speechs how they don't want to be called lovers if you still recall Yagakimi ending or much less inventing cute new names for relationship like "nue", they are just writing stories where the characters explicitly say they are attracted to other women, they are lesbians, they want to have sex with women, you can look at Yuri Hime lineup yourself and see how many works fit your delusional perception of yuri.
>>4545243This >>4545245Genderswap is when the characters were always girls in their universe, even if they are based on guys. Genderbending is actively turning a guy into a girl which means it's still a fucking guy, which is not yuri.>make yuri with yaoi vibesYeah I already mentioned that. BL tropes and writing, which do no belong in yuri.
>>4545241Wow and on top of not understanding yuri at all, you even try to explain fujos while not understanding them at all either. What a moron.The fact that a huge section of fujos straight up doesn't want men to interact with women at all and think men should only fuck men is lost on you, eh? They are not any less extremist than yuri purists you dumb bitch. They literally ship real life men with each other. You lost your mind if you think that most fujos want men to marry women.
>>4545254>I love men so much that even when I draw yuri as an experiment or because my audience wants it, I still make them look and act like men, because I know nothing else
>>4545264This retard is actually drinking all the conservative kool-aid and spouting Fox News lines. Did you miss your turn at /pol/ you freak?>dunking on JP yuri while defending ChinaIt's like you want to offend every single side in this topic at once or something. Brain damage? Likely.Ignoring that in China you can neither openly publish uncensored yuri or even make a yuri animated series or a lesbian live action movie without directly circumventing the government by releasing them through third parties from Taiwan or with out-of-the-country contractor firms.The actual Chinese """yuri""" media right now censors kisses, if they even allow them to kiss at all, actively avoids using any term that even implies homosexuality and doesn't use any relationship terms either. It's almost like you know nothing about China's bad yuri situation and only base this on the works that escaped censorship.While also not reading any Japanese yuri at all and thus not seeing the hundreds of manga that explicitely call the characters lesbians and lovers and whatever else you pretend doesn't exist for some completely insane reason.
>>4545264>inventing cute new names for relationship like "nue"this works so well in the context of the story to the point where it doesn't feel like it could fit as an example of an author chickening out
>>4545273>All the yuri baihe you have been reading is imaginary or it doesn't count as chinese media at all. hohoho>>4545274The author is not afraid of using the L word in his work, Natsume literally asks if Sorawo is a lesbian, but the point is not to argue the author is chickening out, but his writing is just consistent with what is expected from japanese culture, they feel the need to explain homosexual relationships as some beast with 7 heads, if Toriko was a male character this plot point would never exist, it would never be allowed, if Sorawo was a guy it would however it would open several implications about how exclusive their relationship would be.
>>4545284>I read webnovels and webcomics on western aggregator sites, so clearly these are actually being openly published in China without censorship right?hahaha
>>4545267Those definitions are entirely arbitrary. I have seen both words used to describe both concepts.
>>4545286The consensus is as I stated. The fact that some people use the terms wrong isn't my problem. It's in the words really. You swap out male for female characters. You bend someone's physical sex. Couldn't be any more clear desu.
>>4545271>I still make them look and act like menDid it hurt when you pulled that out of your ass?>I know nothingIt shows.
>>4545287Nice consensus. Why don't you back it up with a source?
>>4545288That is literally what all fujo yuri is.
>>4545285Amazing no? Biliili will censor kissing but authors still find no issues with just calling the girls lesbians.
>>4545284So what about the hundreds of yuri Light Novels that don't avoid the terms lovers, lesbians or girlfriends? How do those fit into your idiotic narrative?
>>4545292Except in published works that arent just on a video uploading platform, the terms are avoided as much as possible. Especially because, you know, homosexuality is officially a mental illness according to the government and thus all media.So basically you admit yuri is absolutely censored on all platforms and just aren't aware how much more severe it is in places you can't access, you collossal fuck-up. And you are trying to spin it like somehow using the word lesbian is a win, when JP media absolutely does this too and Western media which you dilligently pretend doesn't exist, does naturally too.But you are the moron who thinks yuri is a Japanese exclusive concept that has nothing to do with lesbians and that no lesbian media exists outside of JP/KR/CN, so your opinion is worthless anyway.
>>4545293>Hundreds of yuri light novelsYou are still pushing this fallacy when even Teren's editor who actually works for a light novel publisher outright stated there were barely any yuri light novel when Watanare started publishing? So no, answering your question your shitty LN that doesn't even recognize the girls as a couple also don't recognize them as anything more. While avoiding to call themselves lovers being an almost exclusive cope to Yagakimi, working around the gay is just the usual, popular actual yuri Light Novels like Adashima, Watanare, Tenten, Shuukura, Hikikomari Vampire, all do it, Adashima even had the word lesbian in the localization but people noticed it wasn't part of the original where Shimamura is just ambiguous about if she likes other girls and outright states Adachi has no interest in gender. Other Iruma works were more open about it though only Itsuki sensei actually open the question itself. I can tell you Shouwaru Tensai Osananajimi to no Shoubu ni Makete Shotaiken o Zenbu Ubawareru Hanashi, Eh, Watashi Socchi Nano!?” Koinu-Kei Kouhai Kanojo ni Taberareru Kakkoii Watashi, Kurasu no Hime wa Watashi no Wanko, Suki na Ko no Imouto all seem to avoid touching on it, hell even the ones where the girls are literally seeking only relationship with girls will never bring it up. Arioto did it, I'm love with villainess did it even though it brought all the bad of the west too and that one which I forgot the name about the mangaka living with the JK.>>4545295You mean Bilibili the biggest japanese platform and their youtube equivalent? The difference is that lesbian is the standard of baihe, lesbian is the exception of yuri and the west has no genre equivalent for yuri so no matter how much you try to cope with this just because you want to push your western trash as yuri, it's NEVER going to be yuri.
>>4545287>You swap out male for female characters. You bend someone's physical sex.That could easily apply the other way around. I've seen plenty of genderswaps refered to as genderbent versions.
>>4545299>makes up some shit about how there are totally no yuri light novels>mentions a dozen himselfLiteral schizophrenia.>YagaKimi avoids the term loversIt literally doesn't. That was the fucking plot device, but by the end they are lovers and this has been confirmed repeatedly you insufferable moron.Also, you collossal fuck-up, not every story needs to mention that the characters are lesbians when it is self-evident. Even plenty of Western works where labels are as common as sand on the beach, have stories where sexuality isn't brought up, because there is no reason to. The girls love each other and most of the time are only into girls. It doesn't need to be spelled out for anyone but the lowest bottom scum retards. It only matters if the sexuality of the character is an important facette of the narrative. If anything most fantasy themed works just automatically assume same sex love is normalized so it doesn't need to be specified.>BilliBilli>Biggest Japanese platformHahah... ahahahhahahahahahahThis idiot mixed up BilliBilli and Nico-Nico-Douga. The irony.>the west has no genre equivalentThey are just lesbian fiction wlw fiction if you wanna be more general. It's a totally normal genre. You can buy lesbian novels and comics without issue. You can watch TV shows with lesbians or movies about lesbians without needing it to have a specific genre term. It's just lesbian romance.Yuri is just GL, which is just lesbian romance, which exists in all countries without LGBT censorship. You are a daft retard. And I am done with you.
>>4545302>Literally says hundreds>Get upset when there are only a few in a market that only started growing considerably in the last 2 years>It literally doesn't. That was the fucking plot device, but by the end they are lovers and this has been confirmed repeatedly you insufferable moron.A plot device, in the second to last chapter? I don't think so, it was an statement.>Also, you collossal fuck-up, not every story needs to mention that the characters are lesbians when it is self-evident. Even plenty of Western works where labels are as common as sand on the beach, have stories where sexuality isn't brought up, because there is no reason to. The girls love each other and most of the time are only into girls. It doesn't need to be spelled out for anyone but the lowest bottom scum retards. It only matters if the sexuality of the character is an important facette of the narrative. If anything most fantasy themed works just automatically assume same sex love is normalized so it doesn't need to be specified.Yet chinese works do it, korean works do it, western (vomits) works do it, funny how the japanese are the only one who not only do it but constantly bring out of nowhere justification as to why girls love girls.>They are just lesbian fiction wlw fiction if you wanna be more general. It's a totally normal genre. You can buy lesbian novels and comics without issue. You can watch TV shows with lesbians or movies about lesbians without needing it to have a specific genre term. It's just lesbian romance.>Yuri is just GL, which is just lesbian romance, which exists in all countries without LGBT censorship. You are a daft retard. And I am done with you.Uh huh, I'm sure your can buy a lot stuff from your nonexistent genre so much you spend your whole day on a board about conservative japanese comics, just like the retard on the games thread is totally playing yuri games where you can select the gender of the protagonist.
>>4545273You know everyone can tell it's always you sperging out about chinese comics right
>>4545312You don't mean
>>4545312This is the first time I ever talked about Chinese comics. In fact my post was more about chinese media in general. Don't feel too bad, every party needs a clown!
>4545305Did he not see the /lit/, video-game and Live Action threads which all feature western lesbian media? Talk about going through the catalog with blinders.
