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>>709822796How will Char ever recover?
>>709822796Charsissies... w-what the fuck do we do... we have to defend /ournonce/
>>709822851By becoming Quattro Bajeena
Why did people follow this cunt in CCA anyway? He never made any sense or made a single legitimate point for TED.
>>709823542The people in control of earth needed to dieKilling everyone else along with them was wrong but hey what else can you do
>>709822796wait g gundam takes place at hte same time as seed???
>>709823783sneed* and yes
>>709823542The events of Zeta pretty much sums up why. The actions of a faction (Titans) from the Earth Federation forces has cannonically killed millions while trying to destroy any Zeon remnants/sympathizers. Then Char makes the realisation that Earth will never change and if they continue to exist, another Titans faction will pop up and try to do the same shit again.
>LALAH COULD HAVE BEEN A MOTHER TO ME>*commits another war crime*
>>709823542CCA was character assassination slop. It's not canon.
>>709823982That dialogue was so misplaced especially that Amuro dies after having a flabbergasted reaction.
>>709824143Not really.
>>709822796Gundam mecha designs are garbage. Vastly better series out there with lot better designed mechas.
>>709823932>Zeon kills off half of humanity inside of a week>Then The Titans kill off some more millions a few years laterI wonder how many mass killings have happened in UC. IT really does shape up to be just the worst fucking timeline. Why does no one target industrial bases so that the other side can no longer pump out mobile suits?I'll tell you why, the one year war, and all subsequent conflicts were orcastrated by Anaheim Electronics and Zeonic.They don't attack each others industrial base because they share that industrial base. The entire story of the UC is the military Industrial complex eating itself so that it can make more money.
>>709824328o ye? name 10 nigga
>>709824765whats with this half cgi horseshit
>>709825014It's from Gundam the Origin.
>>709824716Sounds like real life excerpt with mobile suits.
>>709824765Not that anon but as far as robots with a wild west theme goes, I always preferred the design of Bismark aka Ramrod from Saber Rider over Tequila Gundam.
>>709823932t. spacen*id
>>709824716Both sides were committing genocide without remorse, they actually do attack the industrial bases, its just that those said bases are very well hidden and are very hard to get to especially with the whole Minovsky Particles fucking up radar systems and long range communications.
>>709825014It's CGI but with shading textures on it to look like the OG series.That's just for the OP, the suits in the actual anime look like generic CGI slop.
>>709825014Tbf the high quality hand drawn mecha animations are now becoming extinct mainly because there aren't enough artists who has the skill to painstakingly hand draw each details of a mecha.
>>709824716delete this anti-semitic dog whistle right now
When do we get to enter F91 era?
>>709827336We're never getting there. We're back to sucking off shit near the OYW and F91 takes place in UC 0123.
>>709823542He used his charisma to lure in spacenoids and Zeon sympathizers to his cause, to justify his own psycho moral crusade that is basically his usual sociopathic tendencies with no more plot of revenge to temper them and angst from what happened to Kamille driving him to extremes. He was never meant to actually make a point, the point is war broke him and Char functionally became everything he was rather than a masked identity he hid behind, with all the necessity for "violence for a greater cause" that inclines.The fact that he's technically right about how Earth would just repeat their mistakes boils down to the fact that even his insane ass can see it and Amuro was too optimistic, but that's the UC for you.
gimme the QRD on gquuuuuuux pleasefrom what I heard on /v/ it's a fanfic Anno wrote while he was in highschool - Char gets to steal the Gundam, Zeon wins the one year war and then what happens afterwards is an abridged version of Zeta Gundamif that's what it really is like then I wonder what the fuck was Sunrise thinking when they gave that the go ahead
>>709822796only master asia is stupid enough to waste even more breath talking about saving breath
>>709828043>he doesn't know
>>709828043That's not exactly correct other than Char stealing the gundam and preventing the white base from lauching. Zeon wins the war, but doesn't have the manpower or resources to enforce its conquest so there are still fed and independent colonies. Zeon itself isn't united because of a Kyacilla and a Ghiren faction being at a cold stalemate.
>>709828290stop posting pics of me and my pal Bask Ohm please>>709828362that doesn't sound as terrible as I thought it would be, thanks anon
>>709828043Half of it is alt history Gundam and the other half is Yui, I mean Char, getting absorbed into the robot while teens do stuff
>>709828362It's hilarious to me that in gquux even without the gundam and whitebase it still took Zeon a year to win the war, making it look like Amuro's contributions meant fuck all in the grand scheme of things.
>>709824143It isn't, at least not intentionally. The western fanbase has some odd delusions about what Char was going on about and, coupled with too much Tomino dickriding, made a retarded headcanon that is passed around as gospel instead of just taking things at face value.That being said, CCA's story is horseshit and Tomino is a hack. Char's character only became more flaccid as UC progressed and attempting to bring back the rivalry with Amuro did nothing to restore the presence he had in the original series.
>>709827567>Can expand late UC with entire new factions, get designers to make new mech designs altogether>Nah, GOTTA WANK ZEON OFF AND CREATE A NEW COLORED ZAKU
>>709827695You also forgot Char wanted to die alongside Axis crashing into the planet and never let go of the grudge of Amuro accidentally killing Lalah
>>709828640What? You're forgetting that in this timeline since the Gundam was stolen successfully, the EF didn't get the pilot data to make the Jims fucking halfway useful.
>>709829694Yes. but it still took Zeon a year to win the war.Basically you could have dropped Amuro in at the last battle and that would be the only thing that changes who wins, because everything still took a year to wrap up.
>>709828160>t. Salty zeek
Just gonna leave this right here...
>>709829839Even with Amuro the solar ray towards the end of the war changed a lot
>>709829839>>709828640A big plot point in the OYW is that most of the veterans were dead, and even with their technology advantage via Mobile Suits, the Zeon were still stuck in a stalemate relying on classic spy and espionage tactics to hope to gain any footholds. Early-gen mobile suits pre-Gundam were still susceptible to good old tank decking and local AA weaponry or the like. Even with the Gundam at his disposal before it was submitted for testing, presumably Char didn't want the Zabis to claim victory too readily, and it likely took Zeon a while to understand exactly how the Gundam worked for future production purposes, whereas the Federation in canon would assemble Amuro's combat data and what the White Base went through to greatly accelerate their progression.It was always something of a fickle point that required a couple key turns at the tail end of the conflict, and the Gundam itself only turned the tides because it was a stalemate buster thrown at major objectives and enemy strongholds. Without that and the known Zabi in-fighting, I can imagine that even having that buster on their side didn't instantly grant Zeon the victory.
>>709829839Are you forgetting the fact that Zeon had to go into hiding for the most part after losing in the main storyline? Or the fact that anyone Zabi related had to fucking hide who they were or risk being attacked by the two sets of psychos, one that was born in the EF but was only created because Gato is a retard and really should have suffered a hell of a lot more before dying.
>>709830431
patch when?
>>709829951how does he do it? why is judao such a chad?
>>709830675Sure thing nerve gas excusing piece of shit. Got anymore colonies to drop filled with dead Spacenoids?
>>709822796I'd enjoy this clever burn, unfortunately Char has often admitted to being an aimless temperamental cunt when the whim takes him, rather than learning from it he goes on to survive and be admired in-universe and with viewers, so there's little that can be said that will affect that.There's a reason the ace jerk archetype took off in anime. Guys wants to be him, girls want to be with him.
>>709827567At least the new shit is around the zeta era for once
>>709824328IMO, the non-gundam designs are pretty cool. Almost all the Zeon suits are classic designs. All of the Gundam motif designs range from meh to okay.
>>709832719I still stan a fucking mass production model of all things
>>709832719I dunno man, the gogg and zock were just too goofy for me to take seriously. That shit looked like it belonged in Mazinger Z.
>>709824328This is an SRW thread, we appreciate all mechs here
Char wanking is so funny considering that by CCA, Amuro was in a completely different league as him.
>>709822796ANSWER ME DOMON
>>709830675>Frogfag Zeek
>>709828640Later series really like to downplay how important Amuro and the rest of the White Base crew were to the Federation war effort. Watching 0079 itself, it's quite clear that Amuro and co. were instrumental in keeping the Federation from being defeated and in creating the resurgence that defeated Zeon.
I hope that when they add Yuri Gundam, Tomboy edition, they give us the option to save this MILF from her pointless death in hands of the male main character nobody gives a shit about. Hell, she denies their existence but she ironically is a newtype, maybe if Amuro is there during her canon death event he can change that.
>>709827695>he's technically right about how Earth would just repeat their mistakesNah they get their shit together by G-Reco.
>>709834441>>709822796Unironically I rewatched G Gundam about 1-2 years ago and it wasn't as good as I remember, unfortunately. I wish it fucking was. Went from a 9 to a 6.
>>709835461>G-RecoLmao, MC likes main girl but she hates him for accidentally killing her boyfriend, then they discover they are siblings, MC despairs beyond reason while main girl immediately gains "onechan" personality.
>>709822967i prefer 1337speak to whatever this discord shit is
>>709835365
Mechs are cool, but have you considered tanks?
am i the only anon that gets hella annoyed when people treat char as this megalomaniac villain? all I see is a broken man that's been destroyed by the system. i never seen origin
>>709822796Char did nothing wrong.There, I said it.
>>709835805Stop making me feel depressed, man. Hell, she could pass as Lana's mother younger sister. Someone already draw them together but I can't post that here, what a wasted....
>>709822796>cute teenage girls are now sleeping on top of him half-nakedIn the end, he won.
>>709836041One of these is a guy, an asshole that killed a cute milf.
>>709823542I feel like this translation isn't correct
>>709836130It's Gundam and she was a woman in a mobile suit. If you're not a protagonist/hero, your chances of death escalate upwards to 90% fatality rates.I don't write the rules.
>>709836130That's his adopted son, so it's okay for him to do it too. Chalia can also join if he wants.>cute milfShould've stayed home and raised her kid instead of returning to the battlefield.
>>709831242https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cciO9eWtZ_AJust remember, good times rhymes with war crimes.
>>709836319Fuck off, SRW will fix this unless the show runners make an iron rule that she must always die like with Kamina and Kittan. Yeah, the SRW aren't allowed to keep Kamina and Kittan alive.
>>709836225>エゴだよ、それは!>You're full of yourself!It's taking its liberties.
>>709836356>Should've stayed home and raised her kid instead of returning to the battlefield.Yeah, she should have moved to Alola with her older cousin and offer "alola services" like her.
>>709836041He only has eyes for one, so says the gundamThat One is Amuro
When Guuuuuuux (what stupid name) is added to SRW, how will Char react to the news that he would have won if certain asshole didn't went to the capture the gundam mission?
>>709836651Amuro could have been like a mother to me!
>>709835523Just finished it for the first time myself, I thought it was a 8 or maybe a 9
>>709835523tf didn't you like about it needs a better training arc and a less confusing tournament structure.
Why is there a bunch of Zeon wank in UC? Zeon dropped a colony and started a war that wiped out half of humanity. Why do they get any sympathy?
>>709835365>Yuri Gundam, Tomboy editionMachu went apeshit ar getting cucked by Nyaam
>>709837357HAVE YOU SEEN AMERICA RIGHT NOW?
>>709837357Because Bandai loves making the mech designs from Zeon.
>>709835365>Yuri Gundam, Tomboy EditionThat's basically the entirety of Code Fairy, which Scamco still hasn't yet to port to PC.
>>709837357Because the original Gundam took its time to highlight a pretty realistic reality: not all of Zeon are evil, and not all of the Federation are "good". Some grunts on the ground are perfectly humanized, affable and normal individuals that Amuro can sympathize with, while others will do horrible things like raid their own citizen's towns and homes for supplies and board. The generals up high range from incompetent to corrupt, the citizens shift between hating whoever's inconvenienced or hurt them the most. Half of the struggle of MSG was the White Base literally dealing with their own allies not sending them reinforcements and proper resupplies because of petty disagreements and jealousy, since the Earth Federation had become so complacent in the status quo even in the middle of the war that they hated some non-officer nobodies upstaging them.Zeon wank AFTER MSG is certain creators being dipshits highlighting favoritism, in between almost every other story pointing out in contrast that no one wants a Neo-Zeon, and of course the Zeon wank stories all emphasize cool people doing cool things that make them ditch the corruption up high.
>>709835365>Yuri Gundam, Tomboy editionDidn't they already do this shit with bitch from uranus or whatever the fuck its name was?
>>709837763That girl wasn't a tomboy.
So we made a mobile suit, and called it the GOUFTHE GOUFWATCH OUT GUYS HERE COMES THE GOUF AHAHAHAHAHAWho names these things
>>709837357Zeon has always been the coolest all the best UC focuses on Zeon for a reason
>>709838206All those space rays got to em.
Honestly, if Kamille didn't get mind broken, how much better would the timeline be? I feel like he was the one who could tard tangle both Amuro and Char into better people.
>>709824765Why does he have wind in his pilot box?
How many minutes is the cunny gonna survive in nu psycho gundam?
>>709838206
>>709837357HARO AND ZAKUS
>>709838416That's just two people out of a sea of retards like Quess Paraya and Hathaway Noah. Camille can't babysit them all.
>>709838206pic related
Don't mind me just another innocent AC unit.
12 rick doms will be enough to destroy this thread
>>709836770How long ago?
>>709829951I love how Iron Mask is basically just a self insert for Tomino for the early 90's where he continually got cucked hard.And he constantly thought of himself as god's gift to women, which made his suffering by them all the sweeter.
>>709838206And yet Gouf is one of the most badass looking suits in the entire franchise. LOOK at this sexy fucking machinery >>709838546God DAMN I wish it was more popular. Rick Doms and Zakus are also fucking great. >>709838661Honestly, pretty based.
>>709839273bout a week
>>709839012I love the pilot!
>>709839012Machu loses her mom, her cushy life and her sanity next week.
>>709828043To be fair, in the novel version of the Gundam, Amuro dies like a while after the halfway point, and Char basically took over as the protagonist to fight Zeon.
>>709839518Curious as to why. For me, the pacing of the story and episodes were pretty poor, the animation was mediocre for about 70% of it, and the more single episode stories were pretty weak. It has very few highs, not many good fights, and Allenby isn't Domon's love interest. Yes I am holding that against the show.
>>709839012kekbut seriously though whats the story behind doing shit like this to the psyco gundam?
>>709839838>The Psycolo Gundam is a recurring gag unit from the SD Gundam G Generation series. Its name is a play on words with the Psycho Gundam's name and the Japanese word for dice (サイコロ Saikoro?). It is literally just the head of the Psycho Gundam mounted on top of a white, mobile suit-sized six-sided die with the one pip as the forward-facing side. The one pip is large and painted red, which is traditional with Japanese dice, and it functions as a mega particle cannon. The other sides of the die are appropriately numbered with black pips which function as thrusters and missile launchers. Like other joke units in the series the Psycolo Gundam is very powerful.Also, fortress mode is blocky as fuck.
>>709835898
>>709823542>Why did people follow this cunt in CCA anyway?His name. Char Aznable is a hero of the OYW and one of the last remnants of their glory days as the Principality of Zeon. Spacenoids are retarded and will do whatever a big name tells them to do. They do the same shit in ZZ and Unicorn by simply dangling a Zabi in front of them. It's retarded space age feudalism.
>>709824328Kill yourself.
>>709823542Why people still follow the Zeon cause when Zeon has proven that they can never win, are always incompetent, and are losers in every major war is baffling
>>709823932The Titans were just copying shit from Zeon's playbook. UC Gundam is just two factions constantly trying to one up each other, though Zeon did start it
>>709840049The sentiment would've died off if not for Bask Ohm and the Titans doing the exact same things or worse for kicks, honestly. The Federation getting crazy motherfuckers to turn things around and be racist against spacenoids basically enabled the Zeon/Zabi dicksucking for generations to come.
>>709825495>>709825554CGI killed mecha anime and I'm tired of people pretending it didn't.
>>709838602Didn't kamille recovered by the end of ZZ?Sure, he retired but he could still help, maybe even contact char and help him a bit?... Do we even know what kind of doctor he ended up being? Im sure many newtypes could use a NT psychologist
>>709840049Why doesn't zeon fuck off into space and just leave the earth solar system alone
>>709839837The only real gripe I have with the show is that there were a few episodes that really didn't mean much, like the Canada episode or the one where Domon fights the guy from Neo India, but overall I really liked the majority of the episodes and I didn't think the animation was half bad, except for the episode where Domon arrives in Shinjuku, that one had some shit animation moments also even if some episodes weren't all that relevant I wasn't ever bored to death at any point, but I think the show has its highest point at the final stretch, when all the big plot points are being resolved, even if I think Ulube being the big bad was a tad strange, also regarding Allenby, there is an ancient saying... (from /m/) "Domon chose Rain so Allenby could be our waifu"
>>709823542More importantly, how the fuck he did survive zeta events and formed neo neo zeon on meantime?
>>709822796Do you guys think I'll get key'd if I add Zeon decals to my car?
>>709840293Just get a cybertruck and paint it red.
I like the Gundam Mk-II
>>709840293Only if it's the flag. Emblem should be fine.
>>709840293Just make sure you get this one
>>709839737I can't imagine if she ever meets Quess.
>>709840049Because the feddies, our 'heroes' outside the trojan horse crew, were just as stupid, if not WORSE.
Gundam has to be one of the lowest IQ scifi franchises in history. Transformers and Post-original Star Wars look intellectual by comparison. I hate Tomino, and I don't get how people can actually like 90% of these shows. The original is decent for the time, but holy shit Zeta and ZZ are painful to get through, and CCA is the cherry on top of a shit sundae. Sadly they're not even bad in a funny way. I guess Tomino spent all of his funny awful on Ideon, which to be fair is one of the funniest anime ever made, I just don't think Tomino knew that.Pic related pretty much sums up the writing for every single character in UC Gundam.
>>709833484Char was a great pilot but always portrayed as a league below main characters like Amuro, Kamille, Scirocco, Yazan, etc. By the end of the original series Char is piloting the pinnacle of technology in a massive and insanely fast suit with tracking laser hands against a wildly outdated Gundam and he still gets his shit rocked. It was never his piloting skills that mattered it was his charisma, which Zeta and CCA showed by having him get his ass kicked constantly and making the biggest difference on television instead.So whenever Origin or GQuxs portrays him as the ultimate badass I chuckle too
>>709840478>>709840293why do so many faggots own teslas now? i've seen more teslas this year then I'd ever seen in my entire fucking life it's all indians too
>>709840889I dont own a tesla, I drive an old 2007 minivan since some cunt destroyed my regular car.Im just saying, if you wanna get key'D, buy a cybertruck and paint it red, add zeon decals to.
>>709840828>outside the trojan horse crewYou take that back.The 08th were equally good people.
Why do they call it the Rocking Horse in Kwacks. The fuck is that shit
>Gwitch on SRW>People actually want see GQ cast interact with rest of UC instead.Nice timing bamco.
>>709827695>The fact that he's technically right about how Earth would just repeat their mistakes boils down to the fact that even his insane ass can see it and Amuro was too optimistic, but that's the UC for you.I have no idea why zekes keep pushing the idea the niggers on earth are the real problemI dunno, but between Zeon, zanscare and the crossbone vanguard all fucking spacenoids governments are absolutely batshit insane.I don't know if it's the lack of gravity or water mined from asteroid ice, but there is something going on up there that is making them act like raging lunatics.How do you even come up with strapping a gazillion psychics to a satelite to make a giant mind melt ray that reverts everyone on earth into a mentally infantile state.
>>709840828Only in later material, going through the original series and even Zeta, there's very little that shows how the Federation was causing so much harm and distress on the colonies. It's only in novels that try to justify Zeon's horseshit that you start running into really fucking comically evil Federation leadership. At least they're not the Earth Alliance in being absolutely retarded gremlins.
>>709822851*throws tantrum, calls for his mommy and drops a nuke-filled asteroid onto earth*Checkmate, gravitycucks.
>>709841071and im just saying WHERE THE FUCK ARE THESE TESLA FUCKERS COMING FROM
>>709840828>if not WORSEIt's true the Federation is incompetent, but when they win every major battle against Zeon you can't exactly call them worse
What's the best way to watch the UC?>release order>chronological orderI don't know if adding all the OYW stuff will elevate the experience, of just cause a whiplash with Zeta.
>>709823932>The events of Zeta pretty much sums up why. The actions of a faction (Titans) from the Earth Federation forces has cannonically killed millions while trying to destroy any Zeon remnants/sympathizers.Zeon killed people in the billions in the One-Year War. Parts of Earth were left unliveable and over half the entire population of humanity died. Australia was improved, at least.
>>709841219No idea. I see a lot teslas around here to, but I live like right on the edge of rich people.
>>709840837People always talk about story and stuff but I'm just here for cool robots and boobs
>>709841265Release order for the Tomino series. So MSG > Zeta > ZZ > CCA. After that watch whatever. Hathaway after CCA would probably be good
>>709835760>fight literal who's in a customized suit that outperforms everything in the war but customized gelgoogs>think your hottest shit that's ever lived.Gato's such a faggot. I wish we'd get a alt timeline where he gets foddered by Amuro.
>people who recommend watching 0079 movie and then directly to zeta TV. bruh that makes no fucking sense lmfao. you're making the guy watch like 3 hours of 0079 then just gonna whiplash him with fucking 49 episodes of zeta???
>>709841265Obviously release order because this franchise was not written with chronology in mind. Just brace yourself for Zeta, it fucking blows.
>>709841265I'd say release order, but watch whatever interests you the most.
>>709841265want to go on a trip? go ZZ into Z into the original series
>>709841137I'll find out, I haven't started the Quacks yet.
>>709841484No I recommend the series over the movies. The movies cut down a lot on Ramba Ral and that's a really important bit
>>709839956Sorry there kacho, But im sure we can. We REALLY can.
>>709838206https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKqs1JLDbp4
Name one good love triangle in Gundam.
>>709841265Like that anon said.Watch the original tomino trilogy series+ CCA and you can watch whatever.Everyother installment within that universe only reference those series+movie.AU series are set in an universe completely detached from the main gundam timeline, but if they for some reason make a cheeky reference or borrow ideas from other series it's always that trilogy and movie.
>>709841265Original series, 0083, then just stop
Seeing bunch of fodder pop on quacks with some sort of relevancy is bizarre.
>>709828043>Char steals the Gundam>curbstops Feds>Dozle dies anyway>Gato probably died>Feds pull an Axis with the Solomon Fortress and Char goes BEYOND THE TIME to stop it and vanishes in a newtype explosion>Zeon "wins" but not enough manpower to rule Feds, cold war starts instead>Zeon proceeds to oppress their own people even though they won the war>literally nothing changed, in fact, the average colonist gets treated even worse than before if they were living in the poorer areas>neutral colonies get treated like shit>the Red Gundam reappears, and it's psychommu has a conciousness in it>Zeon making more Gundams and psychommu weapons>/OUR GUY/ Bask is trying to form the Titans
>>709841484Watch the series until episode 31 then switch to the third movie. The last 1/3rd of the TV series sucks and the movie is much better.
>>709841864https://youtu.be/CPqomrYO960?si=-e5T88pll0QAE6x5
>>709838416CCA never would have started
>>709841874Sleggar, Bright, Mirai. Bitch needed some slapping
>>709841951I honestly can't even remember half of them.Literally only recognized the tri-star dom guy.Some I can vaguely remember like Rosamie's wrangler and the magnet coating guy, but I still can't remember chalia and appearantly this chick.
>>709838416What's wrong with CCA Amuro that he needs Camille to bitch at him? Dude had already put himself back together by that point.
>>709841951I bet she has a nice body
>>709838416Kamille was too good for this timeline. they literally had to give him brain damage because otherwise there wouldn't be enough conflict in the universe. which is especially crazy because at the start of Zeta Kamille was on the supply side of needless conflict.
>>709842157Both got dispatched by Amuro real quick, Chalia do appear a bit more on some games, but still one off character.
>>709840837Tomino likes brutal, serious storytelling where swaths of characters get killed off, as well as comedic slapstick and ludicrous character moments, and sometimes he crosses the beams. It's an acquired taste but I wouldn't have it any other way
>>709835842gay meme shit
>>709840235If THAT is fucking off into space I'm going with her. Sorry anon. But Earth NEEDS zeek women
>>709835523Gotta be careful with childhood memories. I haven't watched the full of Lodoss War yet but I was relieved it is as beautiful as I remember.It's often fucking still-images but I don't care.Meanwhile I watched Robotech Invid Saga clips and animation wise it was pic related.Also forgot how god-awful trash Tenchi Muyo voice acting was for the dub.
>>709835842tankfags are the spearfags of mecha
>>709841874I think Amuro could have fixed Haman. Also the cripple got two bitches so it was just a threesome.
>>709842406Kagato's VA was awesome.
>>709840235every time they try that they get to Jupiter then some psycho takes over and decides they need to turn around and go conquer earth
>>709842348>Tomino likes brutal, serious storytelling where swaths of characters get killed off, as well as comedic slapstick and ludicrous character moments, and sometimes he crosses the beams.>He created Butcher the Killer.To say the fucking least!
>>709842223Its just modern artstyle.
I hope we see a different Cima. Still traumatized but not bitter
>>709842486Kudelia wanting to fuck MIka was the stupidest plotline of IBO, and that's fucking saying something because IBO's plot was retarded.
>>709842406re-watched the full*G-Gundam is cute for all the silly national gundams though. Was funny having my portuguese friend get miffed at what the gooses got mech wise.>>709842504I was mainly thinking Ryoko sounding like a chainsmoking 47 year old secretary. Which if they had a good voice actress could be a cool vibe to go with but it just sounded very "Deborah from accounting".
>>709841265As everyone else said, 0079 > Z > ZZ > CCA and then you're good to watch whatever. F91 and Victory Gundam are the things that happen post-CCA under Tomino's supervision, and there are plenty of side story OVAs. The AUs can be watched without watching the quadrilogy, except Turn A Gundam which I would recommend watching at earliest after the quadrilogy and ideally after you've watched a bunch of the side UC stuff too>whiplash with ZetaZZ isn't as bad as people make out but I would recommend not watching ZZ immediately after Zeta, take a break and watch something else so the whiplash doesn't get to you. Tomino likes doing light shows after dark shows (Daitarn 3 after Zambot 3, Xabungle after ideon etc.), and that's not a problem when they're their own stories but it does lead to whiplash when one is a direct sequel to the other. His non-Gundam stuff is for the most part pretty good, I'd recommend Ideon, Xabungle or L-Gaim if you want to watch a break show that maintains Tomino's writing.
>>709842486What was up with IBO and polyamory
>>709842029I can't think about this scene without laughing at the Hathaway version where he gets mindcucked. Does anyone have a webm version of this?
>>709842585IBOs writing was baffling. The woman that shot women and children and conducted falseflag attacks and political assassinations was confused why people don't like facist regimes, and the child rapist laughs about child rape and gets away with it.
A reminder that Macky is atleast top 3 char clones in the series and makes IBO worth watching
>>709823542Char Aznable was known as the hero of the Spacenoid cause after his speech at Dakar in Zeta, and it helped that no one who knew that he engineered the murders of the Zabis lived to tell about it.
>>709842585Not really, the whole crew willing to join up with McGillis and McGillis himself having the retarded plan of using open pageantry and customs to try and take over Gjallarhorn was dumb and short-sighted especially since he was more willing to do clandestine things in S1.
>>709842894He should've been the MC
>>709842894Big Mack and MUH BAAAEEEELLLL was great.
>>709842894He was until he went full retard>lol if i pull mecha excalibur they'll have to surrender all their political and military power to me and make me king! w-what do you mean the guy with the biggest army is just going to kill me instead?
>>709842810>Be dumb skirt chaser on CCA>Almost get fucked again years later on a similar scenario.
>>709842894>top 3>fooled no one with his "man in the mask" routine>dropped the act the moment people told him "dude we know who you are under the mask"I dunno man. Part of being an all time char clone is being able to turn everyone around you into a retard who will buy any nonsense about your hidden identity, like Char convincing people that he's wearing a mask because of a medical condition which could have very easily been verified by looking up Char Aznable's medical history.
>>709840229Kamille was seem running along with Fa on a beach at the end of ZZ, he started the series mute and stuck in a bed. He definitely improved, though how much and if it was enough to return to to how he was at the end of the Zeta isn't clear, as he doesn't really physically speak throughout ZZ.My headcanon, and probably real canon, is that Char didn't give a a fuck about Kamille as a person, since he never visits Kamille after Zeta. He cared about the abstract idea of Kamille as representing the next generation of newtypes who would lead humanity to the future, and once this hope was dashed, stopped giving a fuck.
>>709839278>where he continually got cucked hard.What? Tomino was already married and his daughters were born by that point. Hell he apparently often spends any time now not working, watching his hafu grandson and enjoying being a grandpa. Unless you mean cucked by the studio.
>>709841951Quax is insane. They've even got the fucking desk clerk from the start of War in the Pocket, apparently the first OVA on-screen character for the franchise?
>>709843135And he KNEW that he was going against the most evil people in the world, and challenged them to a fair fight. Rustal has entire counties turned into 3rd world shitholes for breakfast.
>>709843335Tomino was cucked by the studio constantly and F91 is a good example of that
>>709841265Do not believe their lies, ZZ is awful and it's barely relevant to CCA
>>709843335Pretty sure he's just projecting his attempts at romancing several other women while working on Ideon and 0079 and competing with other guys on the staff, and sometimes coming up short.
>IBO
>>709841951I'm all for characters like challia, the titans and the cyber newtype handler from like 3 eps in zeta getting screentime. I thought there'd be more charwank, but they get him out of the way quick.
>>709843549Bask going deliver.
>>709843474F91 was him overextending his plans excessively, CCA was supposed to be an OVA, but then the execs wanted to dump more money into it for a movie, so instead of having a 3-4 hours to tell CCA with a smaller budget, he now had to condense that into 2 hours while having more money, but also a shorter timetable to get the story and the animation done.
>>709843135>unironically getting filtered when they spelled out his planHe knew he pretty much lost the moment he realized that Gaelio somehow survived and ready to air out his dirty laundry.Muh bael was just a last ditch effort plan to still be able put up a fight.The show quite literally spelled it out for you.
It's hard to take the characters that complain about Earth seriously because fucking Jupiter is a MORE EVIL Zeon, making their "earth bad space good" rant worthless.
>>709840478Chars Cybertruck is pretty funny
>>709843424Which is funny because he helped Tekkadan take out Carta who was gunning only for a "fair fight" back in S1.
>>709843743Earth bad, Jupiter good.I don't make the rules lmao
Is Gundam Witch good? I've been planning to watch it for like 2 years now
>>709843826It is if you REALLY like yuri.
>>709843743Jupiter has even more gravity than Earth, it makes sense that they'd be even more weighed down by it
*attacks you*
>>709843826Not really but it's not like it's the worst thing to ever come out. It's paced very badly and literally nothing happens. Just avoid the /u/posters
Ejem, I just to say that "Kamille" is a name for girls.
>>709840889My family got one before Elon went full Elon, which is funny because all their left-wing friends are like "you need to sell it now!" and my mother, who is herself quite progressive, is still saying "What? I'm not taking a financial hit just because the CEO is an asshole, this car is paid off"
>>709843826If you like /u/ sureBut as a gundam show it's pretty mediocre one of the worst AUs ever
>>709843975WHAT DID YOU SAY?!?!!!
>>709843826It has a very unique start, and an enjoyable amount of twists and turns, then they did the hiatus/break and rushed the rest of the story so a lot of the anti-corporatism message dies and gets replaced with momma witch going full retard with something that was barely hinted at in the first half.
>>709824716>He doesn't name MelanieCoward
>>709843826the prologue is goodsome of the mech designs are coolseries is very mediocre and disappointing
>>709841137Because it's shaped like one (apparently. I always thought it looked like a Sphinx personally)
>I mean, I guess using slaves as cannon fodder, raping child sex slaves and human experimentation is bad, forcing people to work extra for no gain of their own is sort of mean... but you know what is truly evil?>slaves asking for freedom, children asking not to be raped, workers asking for workers rights
>>709837357Because Zeon is a stand-in for Japan, obviously.
>>709840889If you can afford the upfront cost of the vehicle, you'll be spending a lot less in electricity charging it than you will on gas.
>>709838661This explains 4 Vagina
>>709822796Doesn't that make Full Frontal an even bigger fool for LARPing as Char on top of having a professional wrestling stage name
>>709841874Gundam 00's Marina x Setsuna x Gundam
Im experiencing the Gundam story for the first time through the sd gundam mobile game and i really like it. I want all the zakus
>>709842486>>709842728Too bad we didn't see much of best couple
>>709843826First half and prologue is alright. Second half had to rush a conclusion so badly that things just sorta fucking happen and then resolve themselves half-heartedly.
>>709837357Because Wow Cool Robot
>>709844362Full Frontal is all over the place.>has the most mundane plan of any char>but also has a super doomsday reality-warping newtype weapon
>>709842630>Hey I came up with this idea for a clown Gundam>Great. Where are clowns from, anyways?>Uhhhhh I dunno. France? England?>We've used them both already. idfc just pick some other European country and give them the clown, nobody cares
>>709844392based
>>709844376>Gundam 00's Exia x Setsuna x 00Ftfy
I just started to watch Gundam but I'm getting disappointed reading these comments that the series will be only:>EMPIRE BAD>COMMUNISM AND MULTIRACIAL SHITHOLE GOODKinda lame.
>>709844459>julietta>best anythingShe literally shot giant mobile-suit sized bullets at babies.
>>709844459>t.Okada
>>709841864It's funny how many old memes came from guys that posted on /m/. Hell even Kajetokun, the guy who gave us OVER 9000 was an /m/fag
>>709844592Why not just say the Solar Furnace for Exia and 0 Gundam's Solar Furnace to make the 00 Gundam.
FACT, the 90s Gundam series all had the best opening themes. https://youtu.be/nJeUg1glX8k
>old hag still around in GQ timeline.
>>709843826At its worst you could call it a 7/10, the plot gets derailed near the climax so you don't really get a satisfactory conclusion to the worldbuilding going on, only the immediate plot surrounding the main cast. It just gets a lot of intense hate around 4chan because the double whammy of being a yuri story, and the Gundam entry following IBO which attracted a TREMENDOUS amount of shitposting retards to /m/.
>>709844542What's wierder is then NT happened to show they actually built more than one of those things
>>709844664>KajetokunA BELMONT IN THE CASTLE??
>>709844634Anon the "Empire" does Seig Heils and their header is compared Hitler. I don't know where you got the commie and multi-racial shit from, the conflict is between earthborn humans, spaceborn humans from neutral colonies and spaceborn humans from Imperial colonies.
>>709844781Guess what anon
>>709844750the trannies astroturfing as yuri fans made the threads unbearable otherwise I don't think people really cared
>>709844750>and the Gundam entry following IBO which attracted a TREMENDOUS amount of shitposting retards to /m/.Let's be fair. There's been a tremendous amount of shitposters on /m/ since Destiny.
>>709844750 >and the Gundam entry following IBO which attracted a TREMENDOUS amount of shitposting retards to /m/. That shit was forced to the point of almost being astroturfing, IBO was nowhere near as bad as the haters made it out to be, it was just really melodramatic in the way yakuza genre films are.
>>709844750Technically Build Fighters started that trend, especially with how often the RG System spam bullshit in the latter half of the series, and then the complete half-ass shit that came with TRY! Pretty sure the plamo threads are where the biggest shitposting fucks congregated. Or maybe Valvrape helped, god it's been forever.
>>709839837As much as I like Allenby, Domon and Rain is one of the best romances in Gundam
>>709844729Damn old hag needs a Kou bf, that will fix her. Kou needs a proper girl anyway and not n*n*.
>>709844865Why do people always say that shit? I was in the threads, and all I saw were people screeching about yurifags that didn't even appear to be posting. It's like they're just an excuse people use to preemptively justify shitposting.>>709844913Naturally, IBO was just the largest concentration of them at once I'd seen since the board was made.
>>709823542You might as well ask what those lolis see in him. One is so infatuated she sacrificed herself for him, the other went mad and became powerhungry hag who craved for shota dick when he didn't reciprocate. He also impregnated her teenage friend but his cover was blown and the powerhungry bitch took her revenge by letting the slut die.
>>709844729Wouldn't she still be a "war criminal" to both sides regardless of Zeon coming out on top as they labeled her crew such to pretend they had nothing to do with the gassing of civilians?
>>709844649
>>709844634That just sounds like you're psyopping yourself. The fact the entire thing is a conflict between two empires and there's no communism should clue you in on this.
It was a different time
>>709844682Is exia the frame or the solar furnace?Was 0 gundam not the 0 gundam when Lasse was piloting it with the particle tank?That's the questions we have to ask at point
>>709844945Try's MC using real life or death magic is always funny to me.>other people>oh no, I lost, my gunpla has taken damage, I need to use resin to fill in the gaps>MC>almost dies several times in the story in friendly battles
>>709845021The entire point of Quess is that Quess, Hathaway and Gyunei are just a repeat of Lalah, Amuro and Char showing that history can't stop repeating itself.
>>709845094didn't that little chink peek at the russian lady bathing and then get shot at? i need to rewatch G gundam.
>>709844750Why does IBO have such a bad rap?I personally love misery porn, so I really liked it.
>>709844750>Gundam entry following IBO which attracted a TREMENDOUS amount of shitposting retards to /m/.You have no idea what you are talking about.
>>709845180I enjoyed it, but the last quarter was pretty aggressively retarded. Like "i've invented the greatest war crime of all time... it's just a ballista" was always hard for me to buy, and then that gets followed by "muh bael".
>>709845098Exia's the frame. Solar furnaces are just the power supply, that you can overclock when you go trans-am.
>>709845180>Why does IBO have such a bad rap?It's a trainwreck anime. Somehow people just deluded themselves otherwise until it was too late, and instead of enjoying the ride they whined. I think it was absolute dogshit, but it was still fun to watch with anons.
>>709845180People didn't like the whole "a ragtag group that knows only how to solve things with violence, just all end up dying violently" message even though as I said here >>709844930, that's like a staple of yakuza films. They didn't die FOR NO REASON like half the characters in Valvrave
>>709843975Stop trying to groom me Char
>>709844804If you don't get the federation being a stand in for the Soviet Union and other communist shitholes, with the characters using an obvious egalitarian uniform like the Soviets did, I don't know what to tell you. But more importantly, an "enemy" like Zeon which is a literal fucking colony with low resources is not formidable at all. From a storytelling point, is fucking lame because the Federation already has everything on their side including the Gundam. I thought the show was building up to something better but seems that it stays in the trap in following seasons. What a shame.
>>709844634If you want a feel-good "actually, authoritarianism need not be literally Hitler" show, LotGH is that way
>>709845098The frame. Exia R2 and 0 Gundam have each others intended GN drive during the last battle if I remember correctly.
>>709845094Someone bring back the patriarchy. Feminism deprives us of everything fun.
>>709845060>blabla war bad>But the communist shithole will always win Someone should post the meme of the good guys (retards) vs the bad guys (cool as fuck)
why am I in this thread I know barely anything about gundam
>>709845350Anon, you genuinely have zero media literacy and are trying to find an angle to act like you're mad about something other than the fascists being portrayed as evil.
>>709844729Hag sex.
>>709845043It's only a war crime if you lose.
Bring back Braiger, Stardust Memory, and 08th MS Team. I like their music.
>>709844634I dunno. I think this is just typical 4chan reductio ad absurdum.Because I just started watching MS Gundam, and while Zeon is always depicted as "evil" aesthetically, their leaders are, so far, basically always depicted as being good and noble people. Minus M'Quve or whatever his name is. Meanwhile the Federation are basically doing war crimes and press ganging kids into military service.Maybe things change as I get further into it, but it seems to me that Zeon looks evil and is said to do evil things, but the leadership are all noblesse oblige and the Feddies are all incompetent bureaucrats.
>>709845453for the robots
>>709845098Frame, but the Solar Furnaces were sync'd to the specific Furnace, hence why they couldn't use the 00 Gundam as none of the other Furnaces could synchronize with the 0 Gundam's Furnace.
>>709845453To talk about video games.
>>709845350>If you don't get the federation being a stand in for the Soviet Union and other communist shitholes,Nta but...what? The Federation is just a standin for the bog standard "western liberal consensus democracies" of the 50s-70s, warts and all. Zeon on the other hand, is just straight up Imperial Japan of the 1940s, Tomino doesn't even hide that fact, he grew up in the aftermath of the devastation that Imperial Japan's warmongering brought upon his country.
>>709845480Could have sworn she got her "war crime" status before the war ended, as Zeon tried to claim they were a rogue group. But once again, it's been fucking ages since I bothered to watch SM.
>>709845268>It's a trainwreck anime>>709845290> just all end up dying violentlyThats what I like about it. I like Gungrave and Edgrerunners and Gantz for the same reason. Maybe I'm weird?
>>709845290I believe people's complaint was how the story got to that point not it ending like that.
>>709845453Join the club
>>709845494The ability to animate the raw heft of those milkers is what separates amateurs from professionals.
>>709842406At the least, I can say that rewatching Gurren had me think it was even better than I remember and I love it even more now. So I guess I just was less literate/had lower standards or wasn't developed enough yet.
>>709845663They're just a bunch of dumb kids with more fighting skill than sense, where did people think it was going to end?I mean I know where they thought it was going to end, with them getting out of it alive because no one actually wants the realistic ending, they usually suck
>>709845453Giant robots are cool.
>>709845487The thing about Zeon is that generally speaking it's a faction of ostensibly decent people so swept up in nationalism and blind loyalty to a cause they do unfathomably evil deeds. Their top leadership, the Zabi family, are with only a couple exceptions utterly despicable people who match the cruelest and worst dictators of history.
>>709845379LotGH is okay. But it tries too hard to be historical while failing at it. I liked the Gundam tone better. Is just disappointing reading the show is going to keep trying to convince the audience to support the Federation.
>>709845771More of a tank guy desu
>>709845462>Using media literacy unironicallyTwitter/Reddit is that way --->
>>709845628>Maybe I'm weird?Naw you're normal. You went into a crime flick and got an ending that wasn't "and they lived happily ever after" without being upset about it.
>>709845680>debating getting another Sayla figure>debating getting another Lunamaria figure (yes I know Destiny is ass, fuck you the redhead is hot)Now I'm wondering if there's a Murrue or even Rinko figure I could buy now that I think about it.
>>709845760The big problem with IBO is that everyone but the last-second asspull villain is absurdly incompetent. Everyone makes the wrong choice at every juncture, except for him, who magically makes every correct one. Tekkadan doesn't fall prey to their own lapsing morals, or violent natures, they fall prey to the fact that this general happens to have found the author's pen on the ground and is writing the goddamned story as a self-insert fanfic.It's boring, and doesn't feel connected to the themes or character development of the cast; it's just a sledgehammer that gets dropped on them at the end.
>>709845350>But more importantly, an "enemy" like Zeon which is a literal fucking colony with low resources is not formidable at allFederation's kill count of spacenoids is counted in millions, Zeon's kill count of earthnoids is counted in billions.
>>709845628Gungrave has the added bonus of being a revenge story as the "current timeline" stuff is built off of the backstory backstabbery and assholery.
>>709845912>>debating getting another Lunamaria figure (yes I know Destiny is ass, fuck you the redhead is hot)But Luna herself isn't a bad character, she's just stuck in a bad show
>>709843826Nah don't bother
>>709845350>>709845954In the opening weeks of the war, Zeon kills more human beings than all the humans that have ever died up to that point, combined. They killed on such a massive scale that they beat the K/D ratio of DEATH ITSELF.They are the most comically omnicidal faction imaginable, which is why despite any qualms the heroes have about the occasional good person on Zeon's side, Zeon is still beyond any doubt the villain.
>>709845912Everyone likes Luna she doesn't really do anything wrong from what I remember and she also pilots a red Zaku.
>>709845887>ending that wasn't "and they lived happily ever after" without being upset about it.I'm beginning to suspect that that IS a weird outlook. Judging by the normie crying about both IBO and Edgerunners. Hell even here there were anons writing AU fanfics where everything ended happily. Sometimes it feels like I'm the only one who appreciates when things end badly.
>>709830675>frogtard suicides when he losesyeah it do be that way
>>709845623She was still taking orders from the Zeon military up to the conclusion of the battle at A Baoa Qu, regardless of whether she was considered a criminal or not.https://youtu.be/q9egq6fteSE?si=L5fpfpEI8pjW7fcp&t=200>"war crime" statuslolI don't ever remembering a scene where the Zeon government held a war crime tribunal, ever
>>709845987Depends, she's a character that is made to be an elite that isn't allowed to excel because she'll upstage Shinn, Rey, or Athrun when they're the focal characters, but she'll gain competency but less screentime because the focal characters are the Archangel crew.
>>709845576
>>709845449>blabla war badActually gundam is not a moral tale about how war is bad.
>>709845954australians don't matter
>>709843379>the franchise that helped Anno create his most known work>WOAH SO CRAZY THAT THEY KNOW SO MUCH ABOUT GUNDAMAnno is literally a Tomino dickrider.
>>709846125No I just mean they don't really do anything WRONG in writing her, she's a side character who's there to support Shinn and she does that
>>709845918this. the conflict between Macky and Gaelio was interesting, Tekkadan trying to find a place in the world was interesting, the "oh by the way i have superior everything and i'm going to win" evil general guy was not.
>>709846125She only gains competency when she gets the Impulse and the benefit of Shinn's stock footage.
>>709845912Based, which figure?
>>709845628It just also didn't feel interesting or poignant or well developed. It didn't even kill enough characters for a pure kill em all downer ending, it felt like it was just baiting for a sequel movie or something.
>>709837357Gundam's OYW is WWII. Zeon are the axis. Japan wrote the story. You following?
>>709846058She is a fucking garbage character but that's a staple on the seed franchise, I have an infinite amount of porn, couldn't care less about Lunamaria in that regard.
>>709845912>Rinkobased
>>709840049Just like in real life, most people are NPCs.
>>709845487Yeah, that's my copium too. But reading these comments + some anons saying some characters get reconnected later to look worse is not giving me any hopes. I will keep watching because the series is great even with its flaws but man I would love to finally find a series that you don't have to dickride some retarded "good guys" and let you hype the empire.
>>709840235>Why doesn't zeon fuck off into space and just leave the earth solar system alonePeople did. And they became MORE EVIL ZEON in turn.
>>709841137Could be a meme, mistranslation, reference, who knows. Original it's trojan horse(I'm not even sure why, it doesn't look like a civilian ship or anything). 0083 the main ship is the Pegasus.
>>709846085The thing is that things can end in tragedy and still be thematically interesting and coherent. Rustal and the big dumb climax is neither of those. It feels like an older sibling stealing the pen from a kid writing in his journal and going "AND THEN THEY ALL CAUGHT AIDS AND DIED THE END"
>>709846402>I would love to finally find a series that you don't have to dickride some retarded "good guys" and let you hype the empireOh, you're just one of those "erm the empire should have just shotted luke to death and then the movies should've been about how the empire is a good thing, actually!" guys. Sorry man, the farmboy always wins.
>>709846252The Zeon wank only started in the sidestories and shit not made by Tomino. He always intended for Zeon to be the evil faction. Its why the colony drop IS THE FIRST FUCKING THING YOU SEE!
>>709841357knights and magic was so good
>>709846206Probably the Megahouse red bikini one, I have her pilot suit one from Megahouse and the Seed Freedom tie-in one.
>>709846436>And they became MORE EVIL ZEON in turn.It got so bad that multiple people from Jupiter's sole obsession in life was to eradicate the Earth, despite them quite literally never having even seen the Earth once in their lifetime.
>>709846252Tomino showed Zeon as properly evil, the leadership at least. The grunts were shown to fight evenly with feddies once the GMs roll out. Just watch the final episodes of the original series, both sides were shown losing suits about as often.It's only the later UC shows where every Zeon grunt was portrayed as an honorable supersoldier capable of mowing down GMs with a 10 to 1 loss ratio.
>>709841951just reminds me of MSGO
>>709846402It sounds to me you just want a franchise that glorifies a whitewashed, good version of nazis. You won't get that with Zeon. They killed more civilians than almost any faction in all of Gundam, save for the SRA from Gundam X which is an alternate universe Zeon.
>>709843549I'm kind of mad we didn't get any real Saylawank out of this.
>>709846452>0083 the main ship is the Pegasus.The ship in 0083 is the Albion. It's the newest Pegasus class ship. The White Base was also a Pegasus class ship.
>>709846489Honestly felt he sowed the seeds with ramba ral. An entire arc about a dude who's incredibly noble and respectable even while serving the villains of the story, so it feels like a lot of it is just continuing that trend. They also just can't do it as good. Every gundam side story has got the mad villain, the (at least trying to be) fairly respectable guy lower in the chain of command, and the super weapon. The fairly respectable guy is the one who leaves the bigger impact though.
>>709845603>western liberal consensus democracies" of the 50s-70s"Is this the power of the so called media literacy? Half of the fucking western hemisphere were dictatorships during that period because it was the cold war. And most of these dictatorships were either instated or supported by the USA. The series was written and produced when the soviet Union was still around.
>>709846469I dunno.That other anon feels like he hit it on the head. IBO follows the classic crime story arc. I haven't watched much Yakuza films, but even western mafia films do the same thing.Scrappy crime stuff. We get to know and love the characters who do bad stuff for a living. Things get better, they get more successful. They do something that gets them in over their heads. Everything collapses like a house of cards around them and the ending feels like a slow moving trainwreck and nothing the characters can do will stop it. Its a really common arc and IBO followed it pretty closely.Yeah the General dude just going "nuh uh I thought of that already" feels a bit dickish, but thats part of the getting in over your head part. Tekkadan attracted the wrong enemy and got squashed.
>>709844634Anon everybody but the protags are bad in gundam. There is nothing pro communism/multiracial shithole in them.
>>709846085>I'm beginning to suspect that that IS a weird outlook.It's really not. It just is. Fiction in all genre is rife with tragic or otherwise non-happy endings. It just happens that for crime/gangster related flicks, endings that aren't all sunshine and rainbow is the majority. A perfect example for this is how The Graduate ends.
>>709846707The thing about Ramba Ral though is that he's also clearly just a pawn in Zeon's schemes, constantly getting yanked around and underappreciated by the higher-ups, getting passed over for the Doms, and so on. He was a noble person, but it was also shown just how isolating it could be to be a good man in Zeon's military structure.
>>709845180the ending is a complete fumble
>>709846738>That other anon feels like he hit it on the head. IBO follows the classic crime story arc.It very much is. They even do a Yakuza "welcome to the family lets drink sake from these ceremonial plates" ceremony.
Does Keith still get amazussy in gquacks?
>>709846817everything after the mobile armor really.
>>709846339Rinko-mama will always have a special place in my heart (with my dick).
>>709846784>>709846707Honestly everyone that isn't able to die rich and get fat off of the conflicts, or be able to do as they please for crazy bullshit with a blank check, suffers in the Universal Century. Go figure, the main villains are either these exact people, or "my way or the highway" people who come to believe their factional ideologies are the only way for humanity to progress. There's never been a genuinely reasonable primary antagonist in the mainline franchise, even shit like Full Frontrol are horribly written and Bananahanger just happens to be retarded enough to almost believe him; all the reasonable people die, suffer miserably, or barely get to walk away.
>>709846738>>709846860You can be deliberately following an established genre beat and still fail at it, which IBO does with Rustal. He saps the struggle out of the final arc, and instead makes it a boring and utterly predictable slow roll. He's not so menacing he fills the final arc with dread as to how the protagonists can't seem to slow him down, or so clever that you feel rewarded for watching how he outwits the heroes. He just magically DOES shit and the explanation is "Well I'm just better." That is criminally boring.
>>709846935>post ends in 35Go home Ral, your wife is throwing out your Gouf models.
>>709846550I mean if I can pin it on any singular thing it would be MS Igloo. Even though the overarching message is still hopeless wunderwaffe desperation as zeon slides to defeat they show the federation as being bad and zeon way too good.
>>709846593>that glorifies a whitewashed, good version of nazisDoesn't the HBO show do that
My problem with IBO is the same with AGE. The backstory sounds infinitely more interesting then the story we got. The Calamity War sounds metal as fuck and I would much rather have seen that show then some shit about orphan mercenaries trying to make their place in the world and failing.
>>709846983>even shit like Full Frontrol are horribly written and Bananahanger just happens to be retarded enough to almost believe him>>>/m/23247933I fucking hate that shit so much.
>>709846487No. The Empire in Star Wars is the opposite of the Empire in Gundam.Star Wars>Empire: super mega powerful entity that can destroy planets >Rebels: Luke and some retards I guessIn Gundam the federation is a super powerful conglomerate.
>>709846921God I wanted the show to be more about 'ancient evil awakens' and everyone has to fight the mobile armors. Instead we got...ugh.
>>709847013This post is no Zaku, boy, NO ZAKU.
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>>709846935I can't bring myself to masturbate to Rinko; her happy family with her husband and son is too precious to spoil.
>>709846784Garma is depicted as being a generally nice and noble Zeon as well.I don't think its a coincidence that the first three Zeon leadership we see are basically all proper Nobles. Char is immediately somewhat likeable, Garma is charismatic and nice, and Ramba Ral is the definition of a military gentleman. The first "bad" Zeon we see is M'Quve. Furthermore the first few direct interactions the white base has with grunts are universally just dudes either following orders or doing the right thing. Hell the White Base is doing a literal war crime hiding the Gundam in a civilian transport, meanwhile the Zeons are trying to guide a war widow home.I don't think there are supposed to be white and black good and bad guys in MS Gundam. Later stuff? Haven't got there yet, can't comment. But so far it seems like everyone is being depicted as just trying to do the right thing as they see it.
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>>709845812Galactic Heroes is a better space drama than any Gundam could ever hope to be.
>>709846817I wish Gjallahorn wasn't so comically evil, it makes things really silly. Gaelio's AV system is powered by the brain of a facist that wanted to kill slaves and civilians. Juliette shoots at unarmed, fleeing pregnant women and children, and at workers holding a strike. Their leaders run the mafia, the slave trade, the sex slave trade.
>>709847030Well I don't think you can pin it on one thing. You had OVAs from years before like the (otherwise good) 0080 where feddie grunts just explode whenever a zeek looks at them.
>>709846983>even shit like Full Frontrol are horribly written and Bananahanger just happens to be retarded enough to almost believe himSORE DEMOOREDEMO
>>709846051>AKSHUALLY THEY KILLED ONE GORILLION PEOPLE THAT'S WHY THEY'RE BADLet me ask you something: if Zeon had the power to kill billions of people, and the federation couldn't stop them, why they keep losing their wars when they have that much power? I assure you whatever you answer will show a failing in the writing of the series.
>>709847150Sorry Rinko, I prefer another
>we're still getting Netflix's Live Action GundamYou didn't forget about that nowdid ya?
>>709847114Oh man, you'd fucking lose your shit over Kira not having a single retort to Rau's nihilistic rants both when he reveals Kira being the "ultimate" Coordinator or his rant about humanity's own garbage beeline for killing itself off through it's own idiocy. Or funny enough he doesn't really debate the shit from Durandal from Destiny either, and from the way some people talked about the movie, pretty sure everything Rau warned about is basically true in the end.
>>709847127Those things never mattered. It's always just "I wanted the evil empire to win though..."
>>709847260Remember that all this is in the context of those grunts "following orders or doing the thing" gassing very literal tens of millions of their fellow Spacenoids, that they had ostensibly been fighting to liberate - itself a war crime if you're keeping score - before dropping their now-empty colonies onto the Earth and killing over half of humanity.>>709847343>If Zeon had the power to kill billions of people, and the federation couldn't stop them, why they keep losing their wars when they have that much power?Zeon began the war with the advantage in mobile suits which allowed them to overwhelm and ravage the Earth Federation's space fleets, which were the only line of defense for how Zeon killed that many people - dropping the other space colonies onto the Earth like asteroid impacts.
>>709847073People over here bitching about Rustal which is reasonable enough, but frankly the main cast were so boring in their own right.>Mikazuki isn't allowed to lose until Rustal overwhelms him at the very end, if he gets shipped into a fight he'll drive everything off or murderhobo>Orga gets this dramatic thing of whether or not Mikazuki is pushing him into worse decisions as a brotherly expectations problem, and he's the only main character of Tekkadan with a significant arc that matters to the overall plot - oops he died in the disco fever pose all the sudden, there goes our only interesting "hero">everyone else is either just a soldier with personal issues that are melodrama dragging out a fight from being resolved, support that are there to tell the heroes the plot and angst when someone dies, or the two waifus that jump mikazuki's dick>literally EVERY OTHER FACTION is more interesting than our heroes because they actually have characters, arcs, deaths that cause drama, interconnectivity thanks to McGillis' machinations, and everyone moving to outplot each other with Takkadan being the boring intermediary of merc work that isn't very mercenaryA crime drama makes me feel upset when the characters get shit on by the end because despite knowing their dark sides, a good one still got me to root for them. The only reason I didn't root for Rustal was how terrible of a character he was, because otherwise I had no reason to give a flying fuck about Tekkadan but the two bisexual girls that wanted to get themselves filled with baby batter.
>>709847343nta. but the legendary colony drop was just a surprise attack the feds werent prepared for. but now both sides are, that is why Zeon never did something like that again and that is why they didnt do any more mass murders: because they couldnt, people were already expecting them and had measures against them.
>>709847452Don't forget nukes, the only thing that kept the Mobile Suit/space fleet balance was literally all the nukes the EF could use to destroy the colonies they kept trying to drop. Once they agreed to not use them, the EF kind of fucked themselves.
>>709847464Bascally everyone sucked ass in IBO, the good guys are boring as sin, and bad guy pull out such a tremendous ass pull of a victory that it takes you right outI don't mind tragic stories that end in death, but IBO's sucked
>>709828043So far it's been absolute dogshit and Im scared for the future of the franchise because people seem to like it. Am I OD'ing on member berries or did Gundam USE to be a little more complex than two highschool age girls having a fight over a literal autistic retard because he's attractive?
>>709847343>why they keep losing their wars when they have that much power? I assure you whatever you answer will show a failing in the writing of the series.Because ruling over something is different from destroying it, retard. You need way more logistics, manpower and more to control something over levelling it. Where do you think they get food and water from, the moon?Not-Zeons does do what you say in Gundam X. The result is all of them suffering from thirst and starvation. The Jupiter Empire is always dying from thirst and starvation. GUNDAM GQUUUX LITERALLY HAS IT AS A MAJOR PLOT POINT OF WHY ZEON CAN'T RULE EARTH, THEY DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS AND RESOURCES TO DO SO, THEY CAN LEVEL THE EARTH, AND IT WOULD KILL THEM AFTERWARDS.
>>709823542Because CCA has a shit story and is just meant to be a cool spectacle movie and sendoff to the cast of the OG gundam. not a very good sendoff writing wise, but definitely a cool one
>>709847452>Remember that all this is in the context of those grunts "following orders or doing the thing" gassing very literal tens of millions of their fellow Spacenoids, that they had ostensibly been fighting to liberate - itself a war crime if you're keeping score - before dropping their now-empty colonies onto the Earth and killing over half of humanity.Okay but at the time all of those people I mentioned had been depicted, none of those things have been revealed to the audience.The opening crawl of MS Gundam only says "within the first weeks of the war, over half of humanity had died" not ascribing those deaths to either side. It shows the colony drop, but not its context. For all the audience knows, the Federation could have dropped it.You're dragging things into the discussion that happen later.
>>709847452>advantageAdvantage that went to shit in the first few minutes of the first episode, after which the Gundam rolls over all the zakos like turds for the following 40+ episodes.
>>709847576People are excited for the UC alt-lore, not for the annoying kids. Bask Ohm is making an alt Titans factions potentially called the Olympians, there's a Fed vs Zeek cold war, a Zabi vs Zabi cold war, Char being a ticking time bomb.
>>709847778should've had their own super newtype pilot
>>709847778By the time Amuro is facing off against Gelgoogs and the Gyan the Gundam is objectively worse in performance than Zeon's MS, at that point Amuro is the one carrying.>>709847841Her name was Lalah, and she ultimately doomed the Universal Century by choosing to die protecting Char instead of forcing the two bickering autists to focus on the real threat.
Tell me how to get Ghiren's greed translated.
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>>709847841Amuro was a joke pilot at the start. Chat GundamPT's AI was piloting the gundam for half the series.
>>709847962Note that amuro understood and worked on the learning computer himself, so even with the interpretation that it macro'd all his fights for him, it was under his input that it did.
https://youtu.be/56lDnaaI3R8?t=483
Remember the Vagan leader in Gundam Age?>grandpa, the old man is just misunderstood, give him a chance, he wants peace too, look at him>ZE STRONG SHALL CULL ZE WEAK AND PROCREATE TO CREATE DAS UBERMENSCH
anyone getting that Gundam SEED game on steam
>>709847343why are you here if you haven't watched the show?
>>709848078Flint was right
>>709847636>You need way more logistics, manpower and more to control something over levelling it.Very cool anon! You're half way through there. Now the only part left is where you discover you need those exact same resources if you're going to mass murder billions of people. No, weapons, money and combustible don't just spawn in your bank account with a receipt that says "you're the Nazis, here's your free evil fuel!". You need to pay for the bullets, the robots, the weapons, and everything else unless you plan to commit mass genocide with your hands and a stick. Until next lesson anon.
>>709848078no i don't. i checked out of age the second time they used the AGE system to make a new toy weapon for their gundam. shit was such a bad gimmick.
>>709847962By the time of Gelgoog deplpyment, Amuro lost the tech advantage. Zaku, Gouf and Rick Dom get tech-crept I think.
>>709847951Now, this burn I can make s'mores to.
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>>709824328Full metal panic mechs are underrated
>>709848161>shit was such a bad gimmick.lol it was barely used. It was more for the stupid tie-in game then for the anime.
>>709848212oh yeah, Amuro BECOMES an amazing pilot, but it takes him quite a while.
>>709848154The fuck are you talking about? Shooting a giant space laser at Earth is different from ruling 4 billion people.
>>709824328Tallgeese mogs all your favorite mech designs.
>>709848212Technically the Gouf was specs equal to the Gundam, hence why Amuro had to actually start putting in more effort. The Doms were superior in almost all ways except of course the beam rifle, which hilariously didn't get countered until the BIG ZAM.
>>709848212It's actually kind of funny how much Tomino cared about logistics in a show that was still kind of weening off the super robot elements of anime prior. By the time the Gelgoog came out, in theory the Gundam should've been totally outtiered, but since nearly all the actually skilled pilots were dead by this point in the story, they had nothing but rookies to throw into these highly advanced mobile suits who couldn't even hope to take advantage of it, and no time to learn like Amuro did with the Gundam.
>>709848258all i know is he 3D printed some boxing gloves for his gundam once and the show just lost me after that.
>>709848336lmao dis niggas MS wearing a toupee
>>709848420LEO stronk.
>>709835365>Yuri Gundam, Tomboy editionGQuuuuuuX is neither yuri nor is Machu a real tomboy, she's a spoiled floaty rich girl who's hardly even a delinquent.
>>709848354It's not helped that Amuro was just genuinely an unparalleled beast of a pilot by the last third of the series. No ace like him comes around again the UC until Uso in Victory; the only people who can come close are outrageously powerful Newtypes like Haman or Judau, or the occasional super-ace like Roux or Tobia.
>>709847452>before dropping their now-empty colonies onto the Earth and killing over half of humanity.Did they even bother emptying the colonies? From what I watched them do with Island Iffish I just assumed they didn't bother disposing of the corpses after they killed everyone with G3 gas.
Mobile Suit Gundam Battle Operations 2 has the worst PC port in the world. And is the worst console game I've ever seen.
>>709848420Dis nigga is the cure for cancer, be grateful.
>>709848071Amuro counting his kills will never not be funny.
>>709848420that's the best part, it has a fucking Leo head under the cool helmet.
>>709848348>BIG ZAM.If only the big zam was mass produced...
>>709848523https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSmlRuL6ZvA
>>709848473eh, Machu is definitely a tomboy. her default response to people she doesn't like is to kick them in the nuts after all.
>>709848523>1!>2!>3!Honestly I'd be scared as fuck too fighting Amuro is not a good time
>>709848232huh he does look like nu-chalia bull
>>709848354He took inspiration from WW2. That's what happened to Imperial Japan. Near the end of WW2 all their experienced pilots were dead and all they had left were new recruits who were getting gunned down like flies even though there were piloting the newer planes.
>>709848161Amusingly enough, they ditch the toy making gimmick for the final season and all the main characters have a fixed form, the AGE-1 Assault Jacket, AGE-2 Dark Hound and AGE-FX.
Before the thread ends I got a question, what OG unit will be in the DLC of SRW Y? I say Soulgain.
>>709848886the xxxbein
>>709847912>Oh no, our colony developed better tech than us (?) but thanks God that our super special MC is here to save us! (the exact same thing he was doing the last 40 episodes!)Macross has better writing than this and is a show about idols uniting the universe with the power of sexo music.
>>709824143Char knew Amuro would stop him so it's fine
>>709848997Amuro didn't win the war. The GM and the Federations massive resource advantage won the war.
>>709849043Hell, Char did more to win the fight for the feds than Amuro did by decapitating Kycillia.
>>709849164I kind of wish Char didn't do that so the feds had the excuse to go on a full purge of side 3 shits.
>>709848997>but thanks God that our super special MC is here to save usThe GMs won the main war though? Gquuuuux literally had Sayla defeat Dozle and the Big Zam.
>>709848554he won...
>>709849164Eh, he just made it harder for them to regain ground and support until he took over Neo Zeon after Haman was "fucked" by Judau. Kycillia was planning to run since Gihren was planning to fight to the last man.
>>709848997>Lin Minmay got famous singing about how her boyfriend is a pilotno plot point in gundam will ever be more unbelievable than an idol's career taking off after she sings about how she fucks CHAD-1 of the CHAD squadron.
>>709849164The battle was well over at that point.
>>709849326>mass produced the big zam>it still took a year for Zeon to defeat the FederationI still don't understand how this alternate timeline didn't result in an absolute curbstomp of the feds.
>>709849326well, this kind of explains their lack of resources. Big Zams have to cost waaaay too fucking much to build.
CHAR is a gigachad for throwing a tantrum after being denied his mommy gf. Fuck your reasons
>>709848997Lots of things went into Zeon's loss. Char killing Garma and Kycilla, Zeon wasting limited resources on one-off super weapons, Zabi killing each other, the Federation having 50x the production power, the Feds putting all their effort into one pretty good suit (GM) instead of bunch of random projects. Amuro certainly contributed, he held their attention for the early parts of the series and kept blowing up all of those one-off super weapons, but he certainly wasn't the deciding factor. The moment Revil convinced the Federation not to surrender was really the moment Zeon lost. They were never going to win a protracted war.
>>709849658>the Feds putting all their effort into one pretty good suit (GM) instead of bunch of random projects. >Amuro... held their attention for the early parts of the series and kept blowing up all of those one-off super weaponsthe latter probably helped lead to the former to be honest. Amuro is a living proof of concept that the GM project was the right one to go with.
>>709849613Char please stop posting about your deep desires for a mommy GF.
>>709849613Char can never be as chad as the man named Chad Chadren
Top>bold and brashBottom>belongs in the trashWhy are the two received so differently despite essentially being the same scene?
>Guy who makes the mech designs for IBO, WFM, and Moon Gundam makes cool designs>They're stuck in dogshit series thoughThis is a curse isn't it?
>>709849452Don't forget that the Gundam anime takes place in the last 1/4 of the OYW. Side 7 is attacked in mid-September, the war has been going since January. Also those unfortunate Big Zams had Solomon Fortress colony dropped on them, Big Zams may be able to bully GMs but even they can't deal with a colony drop.>>709849583The Big Zams never had a chance to pull their weight, they were sent to the Granada base at Luna II and got a Feddie colony drop.
>>709849916why are Zeon women infinitely superior compared to Feds?
>>709849989Char didn't cry like a little bitch and he also didn't act like a complete asshole to the people he liked
>>709850108Zeon men can be fixed by Federation girls.
>>709848336I mean, to be fair to that anon...
>>709822796I find Unicorn's story really funny, like imagine if the Bill of Rights had a secret 11th amendment that banned slavery, but Thomas Jeffetson ripped it out and hid under his bed and the other people who worked on it just didn't notice somehow
>>709849989no cuckoldry angleChar always had a spiteful, pathetic personality if you looked hard enough so his freakout felt in character, Eren's bitchfit came out of nowhere since he was 100% portrayed as doing everything out of patriotism for dozens of previous chapters>>709850197>he also didn't act like a complete asshole to the people he likedlollmaohe did exactly that
>>709850108Best uniforms
>>709850245It gave us Banshee so I'm fine with it.
>>709850108It's a complicated feeling.
>>709850245Even funnier, Unicorn's is more like "negros should be made president, prime minister, parliament, government and positions of power"Like, LOOK at fucking Char and Sirocco and Haman and the like, you want THEM to rule? The whole clause is super stupid.
>>709850197Lolhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGLWRkfMcbQ
>>709850245>but Thomas Jeffetson ripped it out and hid under his bed and the other people who worked on it just didn't notice somehowThe premise was that everyone who wrote the bill of rights died from a terrorist attack on the eve that it was going to be ratified though.
>>709850258>>709850486Sounds like slander to me. I've never met Char but I hear he's a righteous man who treated everyone equally.
>>709850395Riddhe's wild ride was hilarious to watch.>wow, I have a cute fiancee, and she could help stop this war with minimal bloodshed>SHE THREW HERSELF OFF THE BUILDING RATHER THAN BE WITH ME>we should defeat Zeon bedore casualties get too high>WHAT DO YOU MEAN SPARE THE TERRORISTS>oh god that zeon woman is firing lasers at residential districts>WHAT DO YOU MEAN DON'T SHOOT, BANANA>hey dad, can we end this war?>WHAT DO YOU MEAN OUR FAMILY STARTED ITPoor guy was cucked, humiliated, insulted and more for trying to be a decent Federation soldier.
>>709850704>trying to be a decent Federation soldier.well that was his first mistake, Jerid already showed us where that road ends.
>>709850245Unicorn is retarded, yes
>>709850769>hostage situation with a civilian woman held in a glass jar in outer space within the first few episodes>decent
>>709850704I think Unicorn is basically the perfect example of wankery in the Universal Century when other writers miss the point. Everyone is melodramatic, everyone is angsty or an asshole, levity is minimal in favor of teen drama, and then it bends the setting, past motivations, tons of lore and concepts and the universe over to auto-fellatio itself over poorly devised moral lessons in a way that makes the Newtype messages of Tomino's era look downright soft and measured.I'd rather watch Victory, F91, Stardust Memory and X in a row than ever bother with Unicorn ever again. Fucking Hathaway's Flash isn't even anywhere near as retarded.
>>709850896Did Jerid know that she was inside? I thought he was told it was a bomb which is why he destroyed it.
>>709850946Yeah, he was told to shoot a bomb and didn't have a clear shot of a woman being inside the tube. It's ridiculous in a realistic perspective, but from the show's they straight up show Jerid not actually knowing quite what the real deal was until it was too late. There's a reason he's later horrified to find out that was Kamille's mother, but he was way in too deep to back out of the Titans after that.
>>709850918Well the benefit to Hathaway's Flash is the story also tells you that Hathaway is just wasting his resources and efforts because it's still not far enough to make change, but also it's a shallow attempt at cynicism by masking it with faked optimism. Can't wait for ghost Quess to call him a fucking moron for still simping for her.
>>709848212Yeah, the Gundam is the product of Tem Ray's work. In the first half the father is protecting Amuro through the Gundam; guiding him, protecting him, and teaching him with every sortie, Amuro can't keep up with the Gundam's controls but the learning AI rounds out the edges. By around the two-thirds point Amuro has developed so much that now it's the Gundam that can't keep up with him. Amuro's reactions are faster than the Gundam's computer, and the maneuvers he pulls off put stress on the Gundam's frame. By that point Amuro could have beaten Char in a GM, Amuro no longer needed his father's protection via the Gundam and had truly grown into a manOr something
>>709851159The Alex was specifically designed to be more flexible for Amuro's use, right?
>>709851223Yeah the Alex was developed with Amuro in mind. Chris even complains that it's confusing to pilot because it's so fast and wild
>>709849658Basically the planets alineated for the Federation to win with a bunch of fortunate coincidences (losing ALL their competent commanders) plus having all the odds from the start (better technology, higher industrial production, higher population, donut steel characters). Great writing for certain.
I wonder why people hate Char this much on 4cuckz of all sites, I'd expect this from reddit le nazi man bad but here? Who doesn't want a young girl to be motherly affectionate girlfriend?Are /m/fags anti loli or something? Is that it?
>>709841265ALWAYS RELEASE ORDER. That's how you understand the story in the way the author intended, that's how you understand all of the references to other things, and that's how you see the way the series became popular and resonated with people.
>>709842585IBO made perfect sense in its plot, it got rushed at the end but its story was more grounded than anything post UC zeta, only retards that can only understand hero's journey stories didn't like it.And i'm tired of pretending that it was bad.
>>709851632The best thing about IBO is the core Jap audience memeing on it
>>709851604I rather think you're looking at the fanbase brought up by the woke zoomer nu-gundam with lesbians and diverse casts where nobody dies. Char remains the most popular character though, that's why they're trying to use him as fanservice in the new show also filled with yuri.
>>709851604nobody here in this thread hates char
>>709851759>also filled with yuri.My man, they are literally fighting over some boy cock.
>>709851604Char is a great and interesting character with a good arc and some of the best moments in the franchise but shows like Origin try to make him out to be something he never was and that, alongside endless Zeekwank, can get grating
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>>709851917You don't negotiate with lgbt. Ibo had that whole poly/lgbt shit, now show starts off with Yuri(never watcher just pic spoiled from anons spamming first ep everywhere something about gay marriage)
>>709851759>filled with yuri>he doesn't know
Amuro won't appear in UC works anymore as his VA got exposed as a pedo
Broke down, bought two Lunamaria figs. And holy shit guys, stop with the fucking scalping of Rinko, I get that for good figs paying over a $100 is normal, but not for that kind of quality.
>>709852138I really don't think that matters. Char wasn't voiced by his original VA.
>>709852138The Japanese lust after children live on stream constantly how is that a problem now?
>>709851917I watched the first episode and it was yuribait right off the bat. Whatever they do later is pure distraction.
