Elden Ring fixed this gameplay flaw. Why are we still doing it?
>Elden Ring catered to shitters like me, why doesn't every game?
>People brag about being dog shit at video games>The possibility of failure is bad game design because the current crop of gamers are hopelessly addicted to quick and endless dopamineGenuinely nut the fuck up lol
I did that boss without finding the secret bench, I was doing the runback from the bellway.Yep
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THIS GAME IS TOO LE HARD>ELDEN RING WAS EASIER SO THIS IS LE BAD!
I don't care what the cunts at twitter are saying.jpg
Back in my day you had to run up a skinny little platform and there was these two jannies shooting giant arrows at you the entire time that would knock you to your death now that was gaming
>>720545593that actually makes the game sound appealingmy issue is the art looks really gay and the fanbase is brain dead so there must be something rotten in the game
>>720545708>i have all the time in the world to play games because im a tranny that wont go outside cause of his wretched visage and lack of family or friends, every game should cater to meNo.
is it worse than the Mantis Lords runback
>>720546003This. I still won't touch HK, it just makes me miss Demon's and Dark Souls.
Look at everyone defending bad game design just because it can be perceived as "difficult".
>>720545708Listen.I have a wife, a dog and her two sons to take care of, I don't have time to play 'LE HARD' games for some anonymous credit from /v/irgin gamers online.They need to patch the game more and make it easier.
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm............ FROMSISSIES???? I thought Elden Ring was le hardest chungus game ever made for only hardcore gaymers like moi. The shitty reddit bug game can't be harder. What's going on????
>>720546156The eldenlords with deal with this...
>>720546003this
>>720545593That's considered a long run back? Looks like 15-20sec max.
>>720546003>and the fanbase is brain deadHumans in general are brain dead and this is used as an argument for every popular game ever. Just enjoy what you want and stop being autistic about other people
>>720546143I do too. My time for games is limited, which is why I want them to be challenging and mentally stimulating. Do you teach your faggot sons that it's okay to give up if something is hard too? Some father
>>720546059No memes it is actually the worst runback in any metrodvania/souls game except maybe ds2
>>720545593>The boss spawns ADsFor what product?
>>720546003How is it gay?
>>720545593Here's a great solution for you : don't die. As for a "gank wave" you've been fighting those enemies all the time up to that point, exactly why doesn't he have it down to a science yet?Oh right because he sucks.Git gud.
>>720545593>fromsoftware>fixkek
>>720546267Elden Ring, hence OP.
>>720545593This bench is extremely well-hidden and you most likely only find it using a guide, by the way. Gaming is KEKED.
Played a few hours of this but keep coming back to black ops 6 multiplayer because it's actually fun
>>720545593harder bosses + checkpoints next to them is the best formula. basically every masocore game is moving to that formula because you can make really sadistic bosses if people don't have to runback to fight them.
>>720546378there's no reason for benches to ever be hidden
>>720545593yeah this boss is fucking miserable, easily the worst part of the game i've seen so far
>>720545593you are a retarded subhuman
>>720546143>and her two sonsNow is the time for me to throw my head back in laughter and crow about I didn't fall for this bait.
>xitter account advertisementwhen you put the shotgun in your mouth, make sure to aim for the crown of your skull
>>720546241Then switch difficulty to the max and fuck off? They could even give out special achievements so that you can brag about them in front of the two people that also care about them.
I get it now, Hollow Knight is Dark Souls 1 and Silksong is Dark Souls 2. Very meta.
>>720545991>you had to run up a skinny little platform and there was these two jannies shooting giant arrows at you the entire time that would knock you to your deathsure, but you had to go through that once
>>720546474Case in pointI'd rather respawn right next to the infuriating boss, allowing me to get better and better and try it hundreds of times if need be, than having to slog through the whole fucking level again and again hoping that i won't lose health or time on the way to the boss
>>720545593kill yourself nigger twittard
>>720545593if you used that bench you didn't experience the real runback and didn't beat the fight
>>720546290It is gay to be a man.
>>720545593Each checkpoint in ds1 had a purpose of adding more healing so they aren't as abundant in placement, but what does this game's checkpoint offer to the player?
>>720547493Git gud dude I smash my pc buy all the parts and rebuild it before every single attempt. It was so fucking inconvenient and I had a bad time, that makes me the best gamer here.
>>720545593Hey guys I'm stuck here. Where do I go?
>>720545593>steal 4chan posts for his shitty Twitter>posts his Twitter hereThe absolute state of failed streamers.
>>720547410a lot of the time devs will factor that runback into the boss difficulty too. the runback is a part of the bosses challenge when the difficulty should be the boss itself. in the case of silksong, there's an item that completely negates the mechanic of the bilewater boss with the terrible runback and there's even a tool that hard counters him.
>>720546054>>720546143Play a different game then, nigger.
I would be fine with runbacks if the mobility wasn't so fucking shit.
>>720546143I can't quite tell if it's your dog or your wife that have two sons.
i regret having waited 7 years for this gamehonestly it is just hollow knight but more tedious
>>720545593>random faggot on twitter>can't spell ADDs
>>720548289>cant spells AIDS
>>720546054>>720546143This is what /v/ has become in 20 years.
>>720545593what up with this fanbase crying constantly, howllow knight has unlimited health, demon souls dark sould and bloodborne are great because you need to survive in the world much like in hollow knight, UNLIKE in elden ring witch is one of the worst from games.
>>720548426>witchESL spotted
>>720546143Just use Cheatengine with god modeThere problem solved
>>720546003you are about right, silk song has bit more interesting enemies and bosses, exploring and surviving in world is neat and difficulty is ok for now if the gay fanbase dont ruin it by crying devs to nerf it
>>720547664I knew when I was spending over 3 minutes doing the run back that this can't be intended but I carried on
>>720546003Yeah the artstyle is lame, I just went back to Symphony of the Night instead
Run backs, contact damage and instakill spikes were never and will never be fun. Rest of the game is mostly fine.
>>720546290not him but world itself looks good, the character black and white minimalism took them hostage, they could have done way more with diverse art style that is more fitting for insects, in hollow knight 1 you got 30 npc and 100 enemies and they all looked the same.
>>720548678I hate contact damage but the most egregious example is stunned bosses still being hazards
>>720547665should've posted the .gif moron
>>720545991The game was also 30 minutes long
>>720545593Elden Ring sucks because it doesn't have boss runbacks. From listened to bitchbabies and dumbed their game down for them.
Hilarious that Silksong has showcased once and for all that /v/ sucks at video games
>>720546054Every game doesn't cater to him. If this one is too hard for you just give up. No one will judge you but yourself.
>>720545593The maggot water is not the worst part of the runback by far. It's the part where you have to pogo exploding shitsacks amidst randomly spawning and respawning shit mosquitoes
>>720548728>Stun boss>It kneels>Hits you for 2 damage because of that
>>720548797I think it has more to do with open world design in general, because you don't know where the player came from when they arrive at a boss, so they had multiple ways to return to the boss, stakes of marika and nearby graces
>>720548384What, a site for people who value their own finite time on Earth instead of being autistic AGP troons who dump thousands of hours into some worthless shit and think they deserve respect because of that?
>>720545991This shit is consistently done on the first try retard.
>>720548384If you're old enough to lament something is different after 20 years you should be old enough to know that's just life, dude.
>>720545593Silksong is the Dark Souls 2 of the Hollow Knight games
>>720545991uzumaki shoulda never patched the bed of chaos
>nooo i should get a save state right before the boss, right before every phase, right before every attackKill all zoomers.
You get infinite health/curse heals from the mosquitos in this area, and there's a cave full of silk to do the same thing above the boss.The boss is also easy as fuck.I am sneering in disgust at you worms.
>>720546474I would have no problem with that. I've already beaten the stage to get to the boss. Stop making me rebeat the stage to get to the boss. Ninja Gaiden Ragebound puts checkpoints in front of all their bosses, why can't Silksong? I want to spend my time fighting the boss, not re traversing a difficult stage I've already beaten.
>>720545991Back in my day the bug platformer was a comfy medium challenge until you went for the post-game dlc The devs unfortunately listened to the blindfolded sl1 challenge sweats instead of the 99% rest of the fanbase
>>720549292I lament life. "O tempora, o mores!"
>>720545991You did that shit one time and you were done with it. A single well timed roll is all you had to do.
Every runback I heard people complaining about has been an "oh, that's it?" moment when I got there. They're like 30 seconds. Maybe Bilewater would be more of a pain if I hadn't found the anti-maggot charm first I guess.
>random shitter from twitter suffers from skill issueoh noanyway
>>720549913Feels like they designed the game and then just went "oh I guess this is kind of easy with the dumb overpowered heal, we should make it hard" and then flatly added health to everything and made easy bosses with 2 moves just summon shit. You're more likely to take damage bumping into a boss as it slides into position to perform its attack than you actually are to get hit by an attack for most bosses in the game.
>>720545593>the boss spawns ADsso... Youtube?
>>720550626the bilewater runback is actually over 3 minutes of platforming if you don't find the hidden bench
Long run backs mean developers realize their boss fights are shit.
>>720545593Its artificial padding, busy work.And let us not forget this, Team Cherry's idea of a "puzzle"These developers are just incompetent. They can steal mechanics from existing games and polish them, but have no clue why certain mechanics exist.Makes sense, they are jewish.
>>720545708It's called respecting your time. I don't want to re-beat a stage that I've already beaten. I just want to fight the boss.
yes or no, is there an area here?
>>720551658Anon, do you have some short term memory issues? Those were short and easy.
>>720551658I like how they put zero effort into integrating the numbers with the environment, they're just hovering in space in some default font. Low effort trash.
>>720551834Whether its easy or hard isn't the point.its a shitty puzzle, it gives no sense of excitement at all.What is the point of adding something that is not interesting?Team Cherry doesn't get it, they just add shit they see from other games without considering why a puzzle is fun for players in the first place."huh, well we have bells everywhere you pogo off of... lets do a simon says!" brilliant!
>>720545593Elden Ring is not a platformer
>>720545991>back in my day the game focused on providing an memorable experience instead of dry difficulty to entice engagement from the playerikr, wish we could go back
This is the last flea I'm missing, anybody know how I can get to it?
>>720551807ye
>>720546143You have an entire lifetime ahead of you. If you can spare a little while to play every other day, you'll finish the game eventually. You are not in a rush to beat it, so if higher difficulty makes it take longer to finish or not makes no difference.
>>720546003I like the art style and the writing is actually pretty good. But they need to do a main theme of Yuri shit when the game didn't need romance
>>720545593>greentexting on Twitter
>>720545593>elden ring caved to casuals so every game should do the sameKill yourself, pajeet solid.
>>720553495meme arrows have been a thing on xitter, reddit and everywhere else since at least 2010
I bet Silksongfags would defend Smelter Demon runback and gank fights in DS2.
>>720545593Whats funny is that bench is hidden. Some players didnt find it, and had an even longer runback.
>fromtrannies play difficult game for the first time
>>720552068so why are you playing the game? no one is forcing you
>>720553334Hidden wall in bell beast room, was my second to last flea as well
>>720553675Significantly fucking longer as well, you basically trek the entire zone, and it's the largest zone in the game
Elden Ring has stakes of Marika because it went all in one complex bosses which involves some degree of trial and error. People act like this is something From changed their mind about but its really just that Elden Ring is different than Dark Souls. If they remade DS1 today they wouldn't be putting a stake of Gwyn outside of Nito's lair because Dark Souls' boss and level design is fundamentally different from Elden Ring's.Silksong has simple bosses with only a small handful of attacks and its more about consistency and are made to be sight-readable. Also silksong is a platformer with mechanics to make level traversal challenging, interesting, and fun. God forbid you have to platform in the platformer.
>>720545593there's a charm that makes you inmune to poisoned water, making this go from an infuriating gaunlet to an average boss/runback situation of little difficulty.
>>720550446underrated
>>720545593Either get good of fuck off.
>>720554016>dude just wear a charm that is useless against the boss you are currently stuck on
I thought it was made easier already?Will they keep whining until there's no challenge left?
I've died more times to Groat just floating into me than any outright attacks he makes.
>>720546474The boss should be the final test for the area, not the focus of the area
>>720551801If the boss isn’t dead you haven’t beaten the stage yet
>>720545593Boss runbacks are part of the boss, retard. Go back to Shitden Redditring if you want casualized slop for normalfaggots.
This is the only runback in the game where I can kinda see where people are coming from.
>>720545593>Elden Ring fixed this gameplay flaw. Why are we still doing it?I love this ambiguous wording as if the game industry is monolithic and contiguous and not disconnected and fragmented like it actually is. Silksong took seven years to develop. Maybe Team Cherry didn't play Elden Ring? Or maybe they didn't care about whatever game design Fromsoft put into their games and instead just did their own thing?One developer doing a thing doesn't mean every other developer now knows how to do the same thing, or will follow the same design philosophy.
>>720548289Why are you capitalising it? It's not an acronym.
>>720545593then go play reddit ring. silksong blows it out of the fucking water btw and it's not close.
What I don't get is why they don't just give you a homeward bone?Quitting to the main menu and loading up the game ports you back to your last bench, why have the player go through this tedious workaround if you could give him an item with the same functionality.
>gankAm I the only one who thinks these games aren't that difficult?
you are alll so retartedyou gain health charges through hitting enemieshit a few goons god damn
>>720545708Elden ring outsold the entire dark souls series for a reason.
>>720545593Personally the way I view it, is that if u have a respawn point outside of every single boss fight it makes the game feel more "game-y" and "arcade-y", rather than like a real world to be immersed in, that's why player friction is important imo. Immersion is a big part of why Hollowknight and Silksong are good imo.its less immersive for elden ring to spawn me outside of the boss than it is for me to do the runback to O&S in DS1, overall elden ring might be a higher quality game or more immersive in other aspects, but in that specific aspect, it's not.
Ahhh I get it, the tards who were stuck on moorwing finally beat it after the nerf and reached their next boss to beg for more nerf
>>720546143>I have a wife, a dog and her two sons to take care ofso are the kids werewolves or what
>>720554250the boss we are talking about is in a room filled with poison water that the charm completly invalidates makining it way easier to beat. Please actually play the game before posting on /v/.
>>720555256I think it’s important because it ties mastery of a level to mastery of a boss. Otherwise you get a situation like Elden Ring, where you’re sprinting through a zone because you know you’ll get a stake and the boss encounter and zone feel like two disconnected video game challenges. It also narratively connects the area to the boss meaning it feels more like you’ve claimed the zone from your enemy when you kill them.
>>720545593I'm stuck here. Playing with the sting seems to get some reactions from some doors but I don't know how to proceed.
>>720549913>>720546054>>720546107>>720548678>>720551631>>720553646you lost, git gud or get lost
>>720551658If you struggle with this you are fucking braindead
>>720552634It has a jump button.Checkmate, atheists.
>>720545593I didn't even find that bench. I was walking back from the bell beast station. Still beat it.
>>720555781same, it took me like 5 tries but it was very doable if you aren't retarded
>>720555509I personally never got into the maggots even once while fighting him.If you die there you can reclaim your silk and instantly heal off the maggots you got on you from getting there.It's a wasted charm slot unless you fight him for the first time.
>>720545708What's the significance of having to do the same banal 10 minute walkback just to attempt a boss again?Please, logically explain how this makes for a good experience
>>720555897see>>720555256>>720555580
>>720551934Those were added in post, retard.
>>720545593bilewater was handcrafted to be as infuriating and annoying as possible.
>>720555584I suggest finding a way to the bottom right
>>720545708>Every game needs to be a sweatfest for neets like meNo
>>720556181see>>720555590
>>720556181Just play roblox, you don't need to beg the dev to nerf anything
>>720545593>not putting a save point directly next to the bossHorrible metroidvania design in general.
>>720556181>Every game should have you doing the same fucking thing over and over and over and over again to satisfy my autism!No
>>720553646DS2 is mainly bad because the movement feels worse in every way compared to 1. Silksong is the opposite, everything feels smoother and much better than HK.Also, while I haven't gotten to Bilewater the runbacks so far aren't even worse than the first game's? Nowhere near DS2's bullshit "kill everything in this hallway over and over or they'll hit you as you enter the boss room".
>>720556324>>720556269I haven't bought this game. Specifically because I don't care to learn a pointless skill.
I was talking to a guy irl about Elden Ring at work and how easy I've found it using a big club and he legit said I was cheating and ruining the game for myself and got offended when I said I was having fun.Very weird fanbase.
>>720545593Hollow Knight has always had inconvenient save points, the boss for double jump first comes to mind. Its poor design even by metroidvania standards.
>>720548729It's not Halloween, asshole. Take down your decorations until October.>>720547943No. Make a better game. There is a difference between a game being hard yet you still want to improve vs a game that's """hard""" and absolute bullshit. >going through several rounds of interviews makes sense as a nuclear engineervs>going through several rounds of interviews to work at mcjob making minimum wage
>>720556625>crystal dash left>walk left for 20 secondsWoooow crazy incovenient runback. At least talk about Soul Master.
>>720556481yet you waste all your time here arguing with botscurious
it's easy to forget how terrible people are at games since it's rare a popular one is in any way challenging, I'm glad silksong was designed for people like me who were good at HK though, it'd suck to go back to square 1 difficulty wise
>>720556167You mean the unexplored map or the current room? I've found a fake wall in that room but it doesn't help.
Just refund the game and stop buying from the dying is fun genre. The fanbase is mentally ill autistic busybodies. No point in arguing with them.
>>720556728>There is a difference between a game being hard yet you still want to improve vs a game that's """hard""" and absolute bullshit.yes, and its purely subjective. Different people have different tolerances for what they perceive as challenging
>>720555101Because this isn't your shitty Reddit rollslop garbage. This is actually a game.I wish everyone at Fromsoft would get murdered, those fucking clowns completely ruined gaming. Now everybody thinks every game forever should be a Fart Snores clone.
What I don't get is people crying to make the game cater to their needs. You don't have the time to learn the optimal path or to get better at platforming/fighting? That's fine, just play something else.
>>720545593Anyone got that screenshot of this fag or his friend resorting to facebook slop during the time 4chan was kiiled and he couldn't spam here?
>>720545593this literally wouldn't be a problem if the combat was fun. but it isn't. so running back and fighting through the enemies again is just tedium. meanwhile when you play a game with good combat, like the average beat em up from 30 years ago, starting over isn't a problem at all because it's the gameplay itself that keeps you playing, not le progression. in dragon's dogma too I was actually happy when the enemies respawned because beating the shit out of them is fun.tl;dr silksong is a bad game
>>720555256>a fucking video game is "game-y"The horror! The hue manatee!You are a fucking fatass piece of shit. Lose weight and then just die anyway.
>>720545593>greentexts outside of chan>TWITTER THREADYep it's /v/posting time.
>>720551934This is either bait or the genuinely stupidest post I've ever read on 4chan.
>>720546143Wholesome. You're not the stepdad, you're the dad who stepped up.
>>720545593It's psychological. A hard to beat boss that you can re-try instantly vs. a runback to an easier boss. I prefer the first (like in Armored Core 6)
>>720545593I dropped Silksong early because it was boring and like a worse version of HK, which I also found to be just okay despite all the jerking off over it that brown children do. The games aren't hard, they're just tedious. Only retards confuse difficulty and skill with tedium and pride themselves on playing games that like to waste your time with padding.
>>720549570But how far can we take that logic? We already beat the level so just let us fight the boss, but the boss has a gauntlet before it in the same arena. So let us skip the gauntlet after we see the boss since we've already beaten it right? But wait, the boss has 2 phases. Why should we replay phase 1 once we're past it? Let's just start from phase 2 instead of constantly replaying the easier part. How about we perma-despawn every enemy we beat on the level since we already beat it.The runback, and the level, are part of the challenge. Sectioning it into parts can be good or bad depending on the case, but the game wants you to be able to clear the entire section in one go, not just the boss. Older arcade games required you to beat the entire thing in 3 lives and if you died on the final boss with 1 hit left, tough luck you're back at stage 1. That is an entire package of gameplay and challenge, it isn't always so simple as "section it into parts"For every person frustrated at the runback I see, there's another one feeling good about how much they've improved their route, movement, optimizations etc because doing it so many times actually gets one to *master* it, which is the feeling we're going for. Nothing feels better in a game than feeling like you've mastered a challenge, rather than clearing it just that one time because you got lucky or too adrenalinic or whatever. True skill is borne out of repetition.
>>720557361>i-it's not hard it's just "tedious">I-I could be good at it if I wanted to but I don't want toNice cope DSP.
>>720557372Feeling good at "improving the route" is quite literally for speedtranners, AKA subhumans. The average person doesn't give a shit about "improving the route", they just want to fight the goddamn boss. Catering to speedtranners is cancerous.
>>720545708FPBP. I'm so tired of gamer dad shitters ruining my games
>>720546003>>720546090gamers in general are mentally ill>monster hunter wilds releases>everyone buys it even though it has massive performance problems>borderlands 4 releases>everyone buys it even though it has massive performance problemsIf everyone is fine paying 70+ $ to play 20FPS slop why not make it the norm?
Artificial difficulty like run-backs made sense when games ran on quarters, now that you purchase the game outright game design is different by necessity. Only /v/ prides themselves on wasting time.
>>720557493No, it is a basic human condition that applies to everything that requires skill. Have you ever truly practiced something and genuinely improved at it? Piano players have to rehearse for thousands of hours to get good enough to play, to give one example.I'm not saying videogames are as profound as learning an instrument, but it is the same logic. Silksong here attempts to introduce this concept diegetically, but a more fleshed out form of this logic comes out in arcade games. Back during their golden age, anyone who wanted to be good at games had to endure this sort of 'training' so to speak, not just superplayers.
I don't care about runbacks but how can you defend lazy pay rosaries quests.It's not like your understanding or mastery of the game deepens much by farming the same few bugs again and again.The game isn't scaled in a way that you can naturally acquire the rosaries you need without farming, even if you never die you will eventually need to farm because everything is so overcosted compared to what you get by playing the game normally.
>>720548001The mobility is literally the #1 strength of this game by far, what are you even saying
>>720557439Games are a waste of time. A game that wastes less time is better than the one that wastes more.
>>720557681Rosaries are "fine" the donation quests are pointless until going for act 3 by which you are swimming in anal beads.The real fucking issue are tool shards and anyone not bitching about them and whining about beads are outing themselves as being sub 10 hours in the game.
>>720557661Anon, most people are result-oriented, not process oriented. Meaning they grade efficacy through the outcome, not the journey..NOBODY enjoys doing the same thing multiple times for arbitrary improvements if the task was already accomplished. Those people are atypical, usually athletes or managers.
is that all there is?
>>720557021Agreed. Ninja Gaiden Ragebound is a good example. Most of the enemies are 1 hit kill, and it's fun to slaughter masses of them. There's even annoying bullshit enemies like the shurieken ninjas that dodge and hang from platforms, but they're 1 hit kill too so they feel balanced. Also, Ragebound puts checkpoints before their fucking bosses. Why is this such a controversial topic? Put a checkpoint before your fucking bosses game devs, respect my time as a gamer.
>>720545593i didnt mind it at first, especially the lost judge runback, but literally whole act 2 becomes like this afterwards. also they do all kinds of other playtime padding e.g. offering 1 quest at a time that sends you back 5 maps which is annoying to get to, kill 30x enemies, obtain 800 rosaries to advance quest, do something no-hit in under 6 minutes to get 1 out of 5 pieces required for sword upgrade, collect 4 masks for a single health increase which can rarely be found
>>720557854I already said that I've seen many people all over online sites expressing how they ended up liking the runback after doing it a lot, or just the feeling of getting really good at moving by having to practice it so much. Your claim that nobody enjoys it is straight up false.And the outcome here is whether or not you beat the SECTION, not just the boss at the end of it. If you always get to the boss but always lose, then you're not good enough.
>>720546143Cool it with the antisemitism.
>>720556556strength is honest unless you're using ash of war :^)
>>720545593I actually like how Shadow Labyrinth did it. >has two kinds of objects you can respawn at>save points will refill your resources and are the only method of fast travel, but are usually placed well away from any bosses and are rather sparse>checkpoints will only refill your health, can only be used to fast travel to a save point, and respawning at one will only return you to the amount of resources you had when you last saved there (if you saved there with only 2/3 heals, then you will respawn with 2/3 heals), they're more common and usually near boss rooms>if you fail a boss fight, you can choose to either respawn at a checkpoint with possibly reduced resources (depending on how bad you are at the game) or respawn at a save point with full resources
>>720547410A fair middle ground I would allow would be to be able to spawn next to the boss room if you get the boss to half HP.
>>720545991>doing this pre-patch
>>720558062The runback and the boss don't have anything to do with each other beyond being in the same area you fucking gay faggot. You can be perfect at the runback and still die to the boss because they're two different things. The runback is a waste of fucking time.
>>720545593>zoomers are too young to understand the notion that the level can be part of the challenge when facing a bossthe notion of needing to play well up to a boss fight to preserve resources for it is a total foreign concept to people now
>>720557026HK and SS relish on immersion though, even the fucking boss select and boss rush modes were integrated diegetically in HK. TC clearly wants to reduce the "game" feeling to a minimum and it's for the sake of letting you get into the world. This also shows up in things like there being so many dead end and random rooms with nothing to them, because it makes the place seem bigger and like it exists beyond your interaction with it.Other games that don't care about this take other approaches and they're fine too as long as they're good at what they do.
>>720557650when games ran on quarters you generally spawned where you died so runbacks weren't a thing
>>720558159I just hold R2 with great clubExcept v Mohg who was annoying me so I used that + troll club and spammed jumping L1 until he died (which killed him before "nihil")Very overpowered the jumping attacks are, not sure what they were thinking
I didn't need any more proof that this place is filled with shitter tards and pathetic faggots that only want easy mode but I guess if anyone did this is it.I kept hearing about that boss and wondered what the deal was but I fucking first tried him. Just don't get hit by the adds and the boss himself is a pushover. How bad do you have to be to lose to that thing. And yes that was before the patch, though no idea if it even changed anything about that place.
>>720558679/v/ is even worse at video games than before, a feat previously not thought possible. they LARP as hardcore gamers but the second they actually play something with even a little bit of challenge they start shitting and pissing. it's why they worship souls so much, it has the veneer of a difficult game when in reality execution wise they're quite simple.
why does /v/ defend artificial difficulty?
>>720557439Stutter greentext posting doesn't hide your asshurt. I wasn't dying in the game, it was just fucking boring. I went to hunters march early on and movement sucked. I only died because there's no way to pan the camera down and I had to leap of faith into a giant spike pit trap. When you can actually see the red flowers, they're easy to bounce up. Then when I died to leaps of faith, I can long and boring runbacks. The game just isn't fun, and only the most retarded of shit eating brown zoomers try to turn every single complaint about any design choice in a game into a complaint about difficulty. Are you a brown zoomer retard?
>>720558961I didn't die to spikes in Hunter's March so you were just playing poorly. End of story.
>>720556921>fan of sequel to game known for copying dark souls rages when suggested that they copy from dark souls moreuh okay fag
>>720558860I have accomplished nothing else in life
>>720559231>I'm a retarded shitskin child who likes bad games so I'll pretend it's a skill issueThat's nice, but the platforming in the game isn't hard. It's just a shit game that's really padded out. You being too bad at the game to try going to hunter's march early on doesn't have any bearing on that.
>>720558860As opposed to what difficulty in the wild?
>>720545593>FROMtards playing a Medium difficulty game for the first timeOH NO NO NO NO AH HA HA HAHA HA
>>720545593>meme twitter account>greentext on twitterjust one endurance test in the whole game and people lose their minds.
Beat him on my third-ish try.He doesn't REALLY spawn adds, he just summons them for one move then they fuck off.Overall, he has very limited moves. I actually found the answer to making him really easy was to embrace the maggots. Out of his moves, only him diving into the water actually goes low enough to hit you if you're in the water, and it's really telegraphed.I got down to 1 health and decided to just chill in the water below, popping up to smack him between his attacks and swimming to the other side when he dove in.
>>720559614>instantly seethes and starts screaming ad hominem when called outMany such cases. Attain competence.
>>720559464The difference is Shart Trolls is an objectively bad game while HK and HKS are objectively good
>>720546143MEN! This is the MAN who STEPPED up! WE MUST BE BETTER!
>>720545708Fromsoft learned from their mistakes, they have put a safepoint in front of a bossrooms in the last 3-4 games already. Almost every single other souls-like in the past few years have done the same.Team Cherry didnt get the memo. Or, more likely, they did it on purpose to inflate gametime because they knew their game would be really fucking short otherwise
>>720558961>no way to pan the camera downretardbro...
>>720545593Elden Ring didn't fix fucking shit. They made ER too easy.
>>720560316>and starts screaming ad hominemIt's not ad hominem. You're a brown child (and a redditor) so your opinions are inherently worthless. You're not good at video games because you pretend casual trash is hard. That's like pretending The Witcher 3 is a great RPG.
>>720545991I love the people saying "you only did this once" who have clearly only played Dark Souls once it got big and they alreadh knew the strats. This shit was infuriating when it actually first came out.
haha yes once again time to spend 90 seconds doing shit i already did just to get to the part i haven't done very fun
>>720557541it's only a matter of time when your own skills start to deteriorate to the point where you're part of the "gamer dad shitters"what's with the hubris and delusions of immortality? you're taunting your future self
>>720560807>It's not ad hominem>proceeds to spew more ad hominemCoalesce skill.
I hate these niggers like you wouldn’t believe
>>720556751I'm autistic. What can I say.
>>720561348>It's not ad hominemCorrect. You barely know English so I don't know why you're pretending to know Latin. Ad hominem is an unrelated personal attack. Pointing out that you're a brown child is very pertinent to this argument, because it means your opinions are inherently worthless. You're a dancing little monkey who's so fucking stupid, that you've actually convinced yourself any criticism of game mechanics is actually a complaint about the game being too hard. Anyone that stupid has nothing of worth to say about games.
>>720560543All runbacks combined probably add up to less than an hour of gameplay unless you get stuck on one of the bosses with a runback for multiple hours to begin with, which I don't think should be a thing since the game isn't actually that hard.
>>720561753>Correct.I accept your concession.Realize prowess.
>>720561903>I accept your concession.I already pointed out that you were a redditor. There's no need to remind anyone.
>>720545593They gotta add a save point next to the boss room, or if you want to make it earned add a shortcut that needs to be opened
>>720560807>shitting on witcher 3faggotyour crpgs and kingmakers arent rpgs, theyre brownslops. also theyr're gameplay sucks ass comparatively to witcher 3.
>>720546143>>720546054Do you need to beat the game during the fomo hype window? Just take your time and play it to your pace
>>720561985>getting mad that someone pretends TW3 isn't casual trash for people who pretend to play games but don't really play games, like SilksongSee how easy it is to call out casuals LARPing as hardcore gamers?
>>720561973>argument through repetitionSublimate adroitness.
>>720561979This is just common sense.>>720561973Sore loser.
>>720561985>unironically praising zoomer console cancer like shitcher 3Witcher 1 is the only good game in those series. Kill yourself, underage faggot.
>>720545593>I want games to be easy because my psyche can't handle adversity
>>720562132Kek nobody is LARPing as a "hardcore gamer" you cringeworthy faggot, we're pointing out that you suck dick at Silksong because you're bad at games and that's why you're shitting on it.
>>720545593I swear you zoomers are fucking retarded.We are going to reach a point where fucking Super Mario will have to have a checkpoint right before the bosses to not repeat the level again.These are not boss fighting games, and yes, souls games should go back to DS1 style navigation.
>>720545593>he keeps dyinglol if you just beat the boss you wouldn’t have to repeat all that, what’s the problem? Just win bro
>>720545708Trvth nvke
twatter threadclean it up, janny
>>720545593The water is completely avoidable. You can hookshot then do a double jump to avoid it.
>>720545593>this is a requirement to play act 3Why does the fag even know that? If he is using guides, then no wonder he isn't enjoying the game.
>>720546143>Listen.>I have a wife, a dog and her two sons to take care ofDid you ever see the banners 4chan have?
>>720549551Boss only gets easy once you figure out that you can get eaten by it on purpose and deal damage while gaining enough silk to heal right after.
>>720549570Chinky, you are stinky
>>72055867999% of the people complaining about and perpetuating this haven’t even downloaded the game anon. It’s pure internet ragebait. There are millions of people out there that just log onto these websites to complain, to get their daily fix of rage. It turns them on, it gives them a brief feeling of being human. It’s truly an addiction. There will be no discourse over anything anymore without something like this. It is just something the internet has done to the minds of men
As a father of 2, divorced, remarried, that works a full time job and a part time job, I just find this blatant time wasting unacceptable. All of us are older now, have more responsibilities, and most important of all, don't have the time or want for this shit. I have at most 30 minutes to an hour to play games. We're not here to appreciate whatever stupid artistry you think you're doing appealing to 0.1% of your audience that's super hardcore. We want to pick up the game, beat it, and then move on in a reasonable amount of time and fairly. Dads are your audience, and you just destroyed any future sales with the vast majority of your fans
>>720546474It's your mistake to think the game is all about the bosses. It could have just been a very literal boss rush. But it's not. Because it's not just about the bosses. So the checkpoints aren't all right next to the bosses.
>>720546290I guess cus he's a real man who can't into cartoony graphics
>>720562218<trying to fit in by mentiong le epic oldschool games that were total fucking assenjoy your 4chan karma good sar. absolute shit taste btw.>>720562132deathmarch pack of 6 nekkers in witcher 3 is still more hardcore than any fucking game you have ever played. also the combat is pretty deep because you have magics, different attacks, combos, moves, dodges, oil management, health recovery system on 4 buttons. >>>le normie game ABSOLUTELY NOT. keep clicking on those intense difficulty dialogues in your kingmaker ((((RPGS))) you absolute buffoon. god you're so brown and need to get bleached and get his video game taste refined like that other faggot who dared reply to me
>>720556007Why? What's the obsession with have shitty annoying areas and making them as awful as possible?Do these games really need an extreme low point to be memorable or something?
>>720562180You can have another reply if you put the thesaurus down and post your hand to prove you aren't just a brown child screaming about bad games that you think makes you a hardcore "skilled" gamer. If you don't, I'll take that to mean you admit that I'm right about you being a casual, brown monkey.
>>720562643>dumb piece of shit that fell for the family meme thinks he should be catered noNope. Not my fault you're a dumb sheep. Hope your kids get cancer.
>>720547493The bench isn't even hidden.
>>720562424>an entire act is locked behind obscure shitYeah he’s justified in using a guide
>>720562239Why do retarded third world children think that the only way you can possibly call a game shit is if you think it's too hard? Try to give me a real answer instead of shitposting. And by "real answer" I mean real answer and not putting words in my mouth or making assumptions based on nothing. Go on, I'll wait.
>>720562778>more ad hominem seethingManifest capability.
>>720562756>karma>normieRedditors aren't people.
>>720562858your criticism is literally>wahhh things do too much damage>wahhh runback too long because I keep dying to the boss>wahhh platforming too hard
>>720562951>wahhh things do too much damageShow me where I said that. If you can't, then you're just another retarded subhuman monkey like the other guy who gets mad that people call his favorite game shit and feel the need to make things up to pretend you have a point. Don't dodge the question, don't backpedal, don't damage control. Just show me where I said that.
Games should honestly learn from emulators and just add the fast forward and rewind buttons.The technology has existed for a long time; devs are just lazy and put buttons in the game itself rather than adding one more keybind.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSXofLK5hFQIt's not like controllers are starved for buttons in this type of game either, so I know it isn't that.
>>720562808It's hidden pretty darn well
>>720563070>screaming like a bitch after he got called out>>720558320
>>720545593My balls recoil into my body like a lizard out of pure cringe when i see someone greentexting outside 4chan.
>>720545593Just don’t die if this was mega man you would be crying for losing all your fuck lives and starting the stage over fuck pleb hell any old game had more shit to fuck you’re time
>>720563205That's not my post, champ. You tried.
>>720561083Don't forget they nerfed the archers after launch, the archer behind you used to be further up on the ledge and would snipe you from behind, not just hidden behind the pillar like he is now.
>>720563339>n-not meI accept your concession again.Invite mastery.
>>720563181Absolutely not. There is a visible HUGE gap between both the planks and the water, and behind the planks backwards. Why would you not assume that something was behind there? I'll only concede that you maybe wouldn't expect a bench. But you'd absolutely expect something to be there. And when you check, you find the bench. And if you didn't check, you only have yourself to blame.
>>720545893I didn't even know there was a bench until I opened this threadI just assumed it was by design that this was the most nigger AIDS level they could cook up
>>720563431>samefagging after you try to claim 2 different people you were arguing with were the same personHow pathetic, even for a brown "person".
>>720563445I was too set in my run-past-all-these-dart-asshole ways
>retards when ONE game come out that doesn't cater specifically to themholy fuck you shittheads are literally insufferable. you don't see people who like hard games crying about how stardew valley needs a long runback with a hard boss fight at the end. why don't you just fuck off and go play games that are made for you?oh right, its because you're retarded.
>>720545593I hate this faggot like you wouldnt believe
>>720563865>you don't see people who like hard gamesWhat's that got to do with Silksong?
*fixes your artificial difficulty*
>>720563694>samefaggingAre you schizophrenic?
I don't mind runbacks. I mind the runbacks, on top of how stingy the game is with the benches, on top of how it'll dangle a bench in front of you when you desperately need one, and then for the third time it's some retarded shit like "Huhuh, it got stuck! Bet you didn't see that coming!" This fucking ice mountain is agonizing.
>>720564274Where's the "always take one health of damage instead of half every time you graze the boss" option?
>>720564332I genuinely qyit the game at that pointIt's not wven funIt's not worth it at that point
>>720564274at least 50% of "hardcore gamers" utilize this
>>720564301>reply to a different reply chain after being told no more replies>make shit up and assume everyone you've been arguing with is the same personPost hand or no more replies.
>>720563865this is just the result of decades of video games targeting people who don't like video games.
>>720558679Build? I bet you used tools you casual faggot
>>720564332The ice mountain is just pure platforming. It has no RNG boss moves, no retarded adds blocking your path, it's just jumping and using your skills to their utmost. Literally a skill issue.
>>720545593>Gameplay flawI have a different name for it
>>720545593It's not a flaw, it's called punishment
>>720545593So have we regressed to pre demon's souls/dark souls level of dialogue about difficulty in games?
>>720555897the significance is that it brings more tedium to the game so it can pad out your playtime like NES games did back in the day
>>720557854If you are results oriented, then stop playing video games and spend all your time gambling on daytrading. You'll never gain anything playing vidya. The entire appeal is in the process.
>>720548678Contact damage is the only annoying part.
>>720546143People really gave this obvious bait (You)'s. What a load of newfaggotry.
>>720556921They deliberately put the functionality in the game, that if you quit out, no matter where, you respawn at your last bench with a full heal. Might as well just make that an actual tool you get in the game because everyone already does it.
>>720546107> bad game designyou retards have main character syndrome when it comes to video game tastes>HOLY HECKARINOS! DONT YOU GET IT! GAMES ARE MEANT TO MAKE ME FEEL GOOD! IF I DIE like a bitch IN A GAME THEN I FEEL BAD, THATS A GAME DESIGN FLAW CHUD!subhuman morons. kys
>>720545593Every game should unironically have automatic save-states for each frame.
>>720545593>ADs
>>720564274all thats needed is>easy deliveries>boss retry
>>720565604Most who gamble (or daytrade, same thing) lose. So that's a terrible effort to result prospect. Most games can be brute forced, at least (quarter in slot). And let's not forget that cheat codes used to be in these supposedly hard classic games, like extra lives or op weapons.
>>720564274>bragging about being a babby who can only play games like a little babby with babbyshit mods on his babbyshit Practicing Cuck machine
>>720564274>infinite silk>set move speed 3.0>set game speed 2.0>can equip tools anywhereyup it's gaming time
>>720564717do you even know what samefagging is you retarded redditshitter
>>720545708People like you is why gaming is no longer fun.
>>720566238stupid zoomer
>>720551934do the tattoos say MS13 too?
>>720545593skill issue
>>720555584keep exploring. there's literally nothing blocking you.
>>720565848Fuck you and your rollslop, anon.
>>720545593Stakes of Marika/Whatever they where called in Sekiro where one of the worst things From added. It completely killed their level design and now they really are just boss rush games.
is there anything you can't do in act 3 you can do in act 2?
>>720546143DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVSYOU MUST MAKE BETTER DIFFICULTIES....
>>720567754No, you can still explore the levels. "Level design" doesn't mean "Forcing the player to go through everything every time" and that's a stupid fucking way to think. Speeding up repeat travel is a good thing.
>>720567843Yes. I hope you bought stuff from merchants.
>>720567843farm rosary
>>720568142pretty much everything I wanted to buy, maybe like one craft metal item
>>720545593Wait is there a bench there? That run back is not as bad
>>720545593In a sense, the path is part of the boss, in itself. If the boss has multiple phases, then this path is the "first" phase.
>I'm a Elden Ring expert! look how i abuse roll i-frames>HUH WHAT DO YOU MEAN I HAVE TO WALK TO THE BOSS, I NEED FLASHY FIGHTkekarooo!
>>720562643What do your kids think of the fact that their dad is a weak, gay loser that can't handle any kind of adversity? Do they know it's your fault that their mom left, because she was out having fun with guys who actually respect themselves?
>>720545708FPBP
>>720567754>explore to your fucking heart's content, as much or as little as you please>once you're ready to challenge the boss, you can do that as many times as necessary without having to waste time getting back to it, seeing all the shit you've already seenIt's that simple.You have the IQ of a flea.
>RunbackI literally never saw this word being used before people started whining about silksong
>>720568675>/dbs/ lingoOut.
>>720546143>I don't have time to play 'LE HARD' gamesThen don't play them. Problem solved.
>>720569195Then you don't post here often, it's a very common term used in games that feature a lot of bosses where you can't just start over and retry the boss if you lose and instead have to traverse at least part of the stage to get back to the boss room. Different people may call it different things but if you think Silksong invented the complaint then you're like 10 years old.
>>720551801Your on 4chan nigga. You & every bitch complaining could care less about your time
>>720569336But I WANT to! I just don't want them to be what they're meant to be because they should cater to ME rather than the fanbase that wants them to be that way, even though I don't actually want to play those games! ME! It's all about ME! I'm a DAD! I have KIDS! That makes me MORE IMPORTANT! ME ME ME ME!!!
>>720546143>Every game must carter to MEEEEEEEEMain character syndrome
>>720569404>I'm a DAD! I have KIDS! That makes me MORE IMPORTANT!It does, yes.
>>720568092>>720569137You retards are either arguing in bad faith ignoring and dismissing my point or are actually so retarded that you can't see what removing runbacks and adding a checkpoint right before a boss entrance does to ruin the overrall level design and world design of the game.There's no need to explain it becuase it's clear you enjoy the slop level design if DS3/Sekiro/ER over DS1's objectively superior design. That says everything I need to know.
>>720569683>Redditspacing>y-you're wrong and I'm right b-but I don't even need to explain itI accept your concession.
>>720551934Nigga
>>720569683>u retards are either arguing in bad faith ignoring and dismissing my pointNo, you stupid fucking redditor.>removing runbacks and adding a checkpoint right before a boss entrance does to ruin the overrall level designNothing. Literally nothing. Having a checkpoint before a boss literally does not change the level design. The presence or absence of a checkpoint does not influence the actual design of the level. No amount of pseudo drivel that drips out of your mouth will change that.
>>720569835>>720569945My IQ>your IQ.
>>720569835>You're wrong and I'm right and I won't explain it to a retard.Correct>>720569945>Having a checkpoint before a boss literally does not change the level design.Yet every game that added generous checkpoints before a boss is worse than those that didn't. Hmmm, curious.
>>720569835>>720569945The checkpoints both encourage lazy level design (empty open world slop like ER) and actively detract from the vision behind the level. It renders the entire experience moot, a hollow time waster that you're meant to simply run through rather than interact with and experience. There is no artistry, no substance, no uniqueness when you compare the level designs of Elden Ring, Sekiro, or DS3 to the level designs in Demon's Souls and Dark Souls. It is quite literally soul vs soulless in its purest and most easily comprehended form, and the fact that you can't says quite clearly that you're unbelievably fucking stupid.
>>720545708Now you get why Elden Ring sold over 20 million copies
>>720570236You don't actually have anything to say nor anything to back up your shitty bait. Your concession was already accepted.>fuckloads of things were changed in games like Elden Ring and Sekiro to make them more accessible to babbies (Spirit Ashes, resurrections, giving you the ability to literally run away from most bosses)>B-BUT IT'S THE CHECKPOINTS IT HAS TO BE THE CHECKPOINTS AIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEE
>>720570278>muh SOUL>muh human fartist nonsenseOh fucking kill yourself you reddit cockroach
>>720570397>REEEEEEEEE I HATE THESE THINGS THAT MAKE BOSSES EASIER>Making levels easier and a joke? Sounds good to me! I love HARD games, amirite guiz?>NOOOOOOOOOOO NOT THAT TYPE DIFFICULTY!!!Modern Souls enjoyers really are a joke.
>>720570753It doesn't make the levels easier you retarded fucking cocksucker, do you think putting a stake of Marika in front of the boss door makes the rest of the level and the hazards/enemies standing between you and the boss any easier? You stupid fucking obese unloved fucking waste of life?
>>720570236>Yet every game that added generous checkpoints before a boss is worse than those that didn't.Nope.>Hmmm, curious.Doubling down on being a faggot redditor doesn't make up for a lack of wit or a point.>>720570278>The checkpoints both encourage lazy level design (empty open world slop like ER)Elden Ring's design has nothing to do with checkpoints.>and actively detract from the vision behind the level.Wrong. This is a nebulous nothing statement that you're going to pretend is a real point, but isn't. Adding a checkpoint literally (not metaphorically) does no affect the level design at all. You can't point to a single actual, tangible example in game nor can you point to a single developer comment or interview that backs up what you're claiming. You're just pulling shit out of your ass and insisting that it's a hard rule about game design when in reality you don't know anything about game design.>It is quite literally soul vs soullessThis board has a terrible problem with underage third world shitposters who don't know anything trying to fit in and sound authoritative.
>>720570828>do you think putting a stake of Marika in front of the boss door makes the rest of the level and the hazards/enemies standing between you and the boss any easier?Yes, it literally does. That's what they where designed for. To remove the resource drain. To design streamlined and easier levels. To rush you through the level and focus on boss difficulty. All a consequence of shittier overall level design seen in newer Souls games.
>>720571067>Yes, it literally does.You are so motherfucking stupid it's completely pointless to even talk to you. Don't ever waste my time by existing near me again. In fact, just kill yourself. Right now. It's a crime against humanity that you're alive. Don't respond to this post. End your fucking life.
>>720571168KWAB
>>720553646Dark Souls 2 bosses are easy, that's the difference
>>720545593>faggots defend 2 minute runbacks>meanwhile all the hardest bosses have almost zero runback and half the act 3 bosses even give you your tools back after every attemptSo it's just elitism over people who get stuck on bosses you could breeze through.
