Why does everyone pretend these types of games are RPGs when they're not?
>>720581565RPG means nothing nowadays.
>>720582712If this image didn’t have that signature I would’ve assumed it was some sort of AI slop (unless it still is)
>>720581565>It has an inventory with items that have static stat number increasesSounds like an RPG to me.Name a game that is NOT an RPG that has this
>>720581565I dunno, Anon. You're very clearly playing the role of some obviously male "they/them" freak in Undertale.
Technically you can play different roles in UT
>>720584362THIS is AI slop.
>>720585419I don't know why but I feel nothing when I see AI slop even when I can't tell that it's AI slop.
>>720585775your eyes might not be able to tell but your soul still can
>>720584532Castlevania SOTN
>>720581565Because you role play in them. Definitionally making them RPGs.
>>720586272Also, my dick.
>>720586807your dick is connected to your soul
>>720584673Frisk is a girl, though? You are thinking of Deltarune.
>>720587120Frisk is a boy, why would he flirt with Toriel otherwise?
>>720587315Toby is a yurifag
>>720587315For the same reason she flirts with Papyrus. She's BI.
>>720581565>stats matter in combat and increase as you level up>choice matters and can change the flow of the story, moreso than in most RPGs actuallysounds like an RPG
>>720587354Then how come you can cuck a dyke or rape her straight?>>720587437Only men care about milfs though.
>>720587315Frisk is a boy.Chara is a girl.Simple as.
>>720587497>Only men care about milfs though.Alphys in canon finds Toriel attractive. And she's a girl.
>>720587571You ship Charisk while self-inserting as Frisk.
>>720587756Nope, chara asriel if anything.
>>720587497toby is also an ntrfag
>>720587668Alphys was originally supposed to be a man, plus she's a special case, she drools literally over everyone. I'd call her pansexual, because she most definitely masturbated with a pan.
tony fox here to announce chara is no longer canon in any way, shape or formthe update removing chara from undertale will roll out tomorrow, sorry
>>720587948Huh. Most of the time boy Frisk x girl Chara are Chara waifufags that just use Frisk as a self-insert fuel. Even though I follow girl Frisk supremacy, you aren't half bad yourself.
>>720588294desu toby should have done that and free us from the curse he inflicted upon the worldhopefully he won't repeat this mistake with DR
>>720588162So is Frisk. She flirts with freaking moldsmall for crying out-loud. She is as freaky as Alphys.
i wonder what will happen if i post the word avatar
>>720588294God I hope so
>>720588294Based. Based. Based. Based.
return to form when? I need more of these 2 idiots
>>720590360dont think this is a regular yellow thread bro.
>>720590510it is now
>>720581565Because modern language has devolved into a complete lack of meaning. No one tries to learn the meaning of words, only the context they're used, leading to a misunderstanding of the meaning. This mixed with the internet creates an abhorrent abomination of language as anything can mean anything, people try to redefine words to make themselves right, and genuine discussion is dead.UT being called an RPG is an example, because people saw games called RPG have choices, and you can choose to save or kill people in UT, therefore it must be an RPG!
>>720590782That's how language has always been, anon. The idea that language has definite rules and meanings which are correct was a delusion invented by 19th century scholars, trying pointlessly to make sense of the inherently nonsensical nature of human language.
>>720590782for me it has stats, items, equipment and turn based battles, that's a RPG (or at least a JRPG)
>>720590678Post your Steamworks IDsWhen the Mario Paint minigame came up I knew what I needed to do.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0VUprkc1n0
>>720591957is that the same one from the Joel Mario Paint stream?Speaking of which, I'm still hoping Joel makes good on his word and plays UTY.
>>720588294Sebastian Wolf here to recant on what Robert said here. Chara is now officially the only Undertale character in existence. I will also be flagging any work without Chara for copyright.
>>720592071I don't know if Joel ever did that one in particular, I just pulled a random Bob Ross episode and got to work.I don't recall Joel saying he'd play UTY but if he does I hope he understands the assignment if he checks out the neutral route.
>>720591140Fuck you.My problem isn't that language naturally changes over time anon, it's the fact that while yes, words can change, they still have to have a definition behind them, not a vibe. And while to some degree the definition behind words will change, it has generally been at a slow enough pace that people can still be understood by everyone who uses the language. That's why it's important for people to understand the definition, so that people can understand each other.>>720591669Behold, a JRPG!
>>720581565Because "RPG" doesn't have the same kind of incessant obnoxious wannabe hardcore faggots who screech whenever someone calls a game a roguelike instead of a roguelite.Start being really fucking annoying, enter every discussion with 'ackshually it only has RPG Elements' and other shit.
>>720592401xcom is a RPG, just not a JRPG (it usually has no fixed story and gameplay comes first, while JRPGs tend to focus more on story over gameplay)
>>720592401>they still have to have a definition behind themWho decided that? Definitions are a post hoc clarification added on to words after the fact. The vibes came first. All that words need to exist are a shared idea or feeling between two people and the need to label that thing. A clear definition of that label is entirely optional and comes second to how people actually use it.> it has generally been at a slow enough pace that people can still be understood by everyone who uses the languageThis has never been true, and a couple hundred years ago it wasn't even close to true. It was perfectly normal for a person from one town to ask for a plate of eggs, and for the person serving him to be absolutely baffled why he was asking for a plate of eyes despite both of them speaking the same language, and its always been the case that old people have trouble understanding young people's slang.You mistakenly believe that the world exists as a clearly defined set of systems with hard rules, when its really a mess of whatever works and random bullshit that has been forced in to broad and vague classifications by us for the sake of making things easier to manage.
>>720592401I've always considered tactics games (at least the Xcom variety) to be an evolution of CRPGS.
>>720592330I'm pretty sure he did use that one on his stream. Also he said he was considering playing UTY in his chapter 4 stream, and said he would play it in his Bergentruck and Lightners Live streams.
I have missed these threads for a few months.Has there been any new Return to Form? Has Sig made any new art? Where DID that kid go?
>>720593468You're referring to dialect, which are still developed through long periods of time. And while yes, dialects can develop into the point of those languages being different, that's a can of worms that's not worth getting into because of the inability to divide between dialects and languages.And again, you fucking faggot, I'm not saying 'oh, these things need to have this definition and never change', I'm making a point that the rapid evolution of language due to people using the wrong word in a context that their meaning is still able to be inferred is creating a situation where people are incapable of communicating. Lacking a definition turns words into literal meaningless garbage because they could mean literally anything. It removes the point of words entirely, leaving only understanding through context clues.
>>720594198>Has there been any new Return to Form?Maybe a chapter or 2, updates have slowed down>Has Sig made any new art?Some pieces, mostly deltarune related but there were a few UTY ones>Where DID that kid go?If you mean the comic, chapter 10 has kinda killed me, I am almost done with it but now I draw maybe a page per week because I am legitimately burned out, but I still lurk in the threads
>>720592325you're fired seb
>>720594392Where's my other 20K dollars, Toby? Otherwise I will leak Deltarune again.
>>720594343>If you mean the comicGlad you are still here.I was just making a reference to Undertale Yellow the Musical.https://youtu.be/7igkrXICjLk?si=k6ijKzJP-R_8rYBE&t=76
>>720594518you can find them up your ass
>>720594296>I'm making a point that the rapid evolution of language due to people using the wrong word in a context that their meaning is still able to be inferred is creating a situation where people are incapable of communicating. Lacking a definition turns words into literal meaningless garbage because they could mean literally anything. It removes the point of words entirely, leaving only understanding through context clues.And I'm saying its always been this way. Maybe its slightly faster now, but its not that much faster than it was before. Its just more noticeable because now all these different groups with their own unique dialects are smashed together in the same space with no way of telling which dialect they should be using based on the person they're talking to, and a severely handicapped in the usage of context clues via the lack of sound or bodily gestures to communicate them.
>>720586553Its an Action RPG
>>720594343If you ever give up, just dump all of what you have. We'd still rather have a bunch of uncolored comics with no typesetting than nothing at all.
>>720594706Yep. Chapter 5 is being leaked. People won't be ready for the ASSWHORE battle music.
>>720592325Ice Wolf here to remind you that I'm actually a girl(biological) who likes human men. I'm tired of waiting for one to ask me out, so I'm just going to take the next one I see home with me, by force if I have to.
>>720594936go ahead lil' bitch, do it
>>720587120Toby's words, not mine.
>>720594343Of nice, you are still alive
>>720596330That one deleted tweet? Tweets aren't canon. I wouldn't be surprised nowadays if Toby kneeled to girl Frisk because of how popular it is in nippon.
reminder that ceroba is fat
>>720596481Flat like a can of coke.
>>720596771nako is stacked after the 'tegrity infection
>>720596448wrong bitch, that one specific tweet is now canonfrisk has a 10 incher just like my dear friend motherfucker mike "el loco bandito" matei
>>720596872Correct
>>720596771not when I'm done with her
>>720596938Toby would never say this because he would never get Japanese pussy again if he did.
>>720597278Does Coke have chocolate milk?
>>720597448Does this artist have a hand fetish?
>>720597560I don't know. I don't remember they drawing hands before.
>>720597705Look at how detailed it is compared to everything else.
>>720597448the japanese already know and i give japanese pussy my own 10 incher every day
>>720597780I thought that was just for effect.>>720597862All my Japanese fanart disagrees with you, Mr.Toby. I think working on Deltarune for so long is making you crazy.
>>720597936its their headcanon and they understand it as such, but you don't, now bend over, you're taking my 10 incher next
>>720598034Whoa! Toby Fox is gay???
>>720598573i'm a serial rapist, and i don't discriminate, that's what the weird route is all about
>>720597448>>720597936>Japanese fanart>Posts korean comics
>>720598573He is at least bisexual.
>>720598738do you think a 0 iq avatarfag knows the difference
>>720598738I am racist.>>720598747Toby's canon? Irrelevant. We live in a fanon world now.
>Namefags>UT/DR fags>No Undertale Yellow discussionThis is beyond depressing. Where did the UTY fanbase go?
>>720598951killed by redditors
>>720598951they've dispersed, there's nothing left to discuss
>>720598951The namefags are clearly just shitposting, though.
>>720598951I'm actually here for other fangames. On the subject of that. Do you think it would be fitting to skip the intro in my UT fangame and have a cold open?
>>720599246What would the intro have been?
>>720598951You can waltz on right over to >>>/trash/ if you really want to talk about furries.
>>720599468you will never be a somethingawful goon but just like them you will also never be a woman, now go join lowtax
>>720598951>Where did the UTY fanbase go?Three of our oldest fangame devs are busy playing silksong
>>720599092Undertale still gets regular threads, and it’s a game that came out almost 10 years ago.Hell, Nine Sols still gets semi-regular threads while keeping the same energy.So what gives? Is there something about Yellow that makes it less interesting than UT?
>>720599246Some games benefit from a cold open. It depends on how it's written. Does the player get drawn in with more mystery from an intro, or from a mysterious world he's thrust into?
>>720599829Most Undertale/Deltarune threads have been dead lately, too. Archiving in ten to forty posts. This is one of the most active ones.
>>720599456A a poetic sounding narration from an unnamed narrator who addresses you directly. They tell you about the humans, the monsters, and the war.If you want a general vibe, its inspired by the lyrics of the opening of the epic of gilgamesh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUcTsFe1PVs Going for that "long ago, when bread was first baked" feeling.
>>720599897I suspect a lot of people stopped checking /v/ because of constant thread nukes. It's not a good board if most threads that either don't fellate Nintendo, court flamewars/gooning or be an AI art thread are deleted. Why waste time browsing the catalog every day?
>>720599889I'd say the world, but the intro can be important to introducing the player to the world.
>>720600009I think you should keep it, then. I really like when people keep Undertale's fairytale vibe. Heck, even Yellow did it with its intro.
>>720600334The ONE thread that gained traction got deleted, so yeah, I can get that.
>>720600489I know, but at the same time, I could do a deltarune style cold open that ties into the game's main plot point without giving too much away, then drops the player into an unfamiliar environment with no one around to give you an explanation. Leaving the player to look around and try to figure out what's going on.
>>720600836Deltarune literally does have an entire intro with Gaster, though.
>>720600931I'd call that a cold open. Its not an intro explaining things and trying to get you into the mood like Undertale.
>>720601001Well, it depends if you want the game to be more like Deltarune versus Undertale. Fairy tale versus a young fantasy novel.
>>720600836>>720600489I should clarify that I'd still the DR style opening after the Undertale style fairy tale intro.
>>720600931Undertale plays its intro straight…well, for the most part. The meaning of the intro is subverted only at the very end.Deltarune's intro is both subversive and out-there. It's extremely mysterious and it leads you to believe that you're controlling a custom character, only to take it away from you. Maybe Deltarune will finally give your custom character back, but for now the has almost nothing to do with the game. It's more of a cold open.
>>720601065I would say its a lot more immediately fantastic than Deltarune, but its also more somber than Undertale. I wouldn't say its like a YA novel though, I hate YA. If I had to compare it to a novel, it would be like a weird cross between Lord of The Rings and Disc World.
>>720601336I say keep the intro, then.
>>720601495>>720601313I have a subversion planned involving that fairy tale intro that would only come into play at the end of the game, with the ending completely recontextualizing the intro based on which ending you got, but if I cut the intro then I can have the player feel just as lost and confused as the in the in universe player character (since there's an amnesia plot early on), which could really help to set the tone and immerse the player.
>>720601754How about playing the intro in parts during the game?
>>720602068No, that wouldn't work. The intro is supposed to frame the whole game as a story being told to you.
>>720602319Well, then I think making different versions might be the player?
>>720602654What?
>>720602738Like, different versions that play at each ending, and each tell a story from a different point of view.
>>720603020The endings would be different, but they all require that the story start by being told like its a fairy tale.
>>720603118I think you should do it in the intro, then.
>>720599897the only reason they die is because they get autosaged or worse. when untouched they still regularly reach bump limit. >>720598951my brother visits on saturdays and i refrain from the autism until later.
>>720601754What if it's like old games where the fairytale is explained in the manual (or webpage, readme, etc) rather than as an in-game intro? That might potentially be the best of both worlds.
>>720604704honestly might be a nice approach, could be lost on some people but others may feel its "novel" like a return to form
>>720604704That would be a cheap cop out that most players would miss. Besides, the ending hinges pretty heavily on that established narrator character from the opening. They need to be in the game for that payoff to work.
>>720604704Toby drops a lot of lore in ARG and websites outside his games, so you might be onto something here. If you're feeling adventurous, you could have the general story in the "manual" and throw in some easter eggs for the player to find.
>>720605671Maybe I could still throw the setup in the manual, but I would still likely have to cut that ending recontenxtualizing the beginning angle alongside any narrator related stuff.
