Japanese thinks it's only the MINORITY who complain about localization and censorship
>>720639894it is. you think the average retard buying pokemon or persona cares about the regional differences?
>>720640035How do we address the normalfags NPC problem?
>>720640091you can learn japanese
>>720639894It is, vast majority isn't even aware also chinks never cared about truth, they were more than fine with dogshit adaptation as long as it makes money
If you care about this shit you are the minority and probably a minority
>>720639894Weebs forgetting that Japan has some of the heaviest censorship
>>720640140will that make games cheaper for me without localization fee?
>>720639894the vast majority of normalfag players will never even consider such things
>>720639894>>720640035>>720640246so now minorities are bad, huh?
>>720639894"experts" lmao
>>720639894How come the 'experts' are always, always wrong?
>>720639894What did they mean by this?
I dont get it
>>720640321yes it actually will because of the weak yen
This. I loved the dogshit racist localization of Xenoblade 2
>>720640487i trust them because they are the experts
>>720640810Nothing wrong with being racist, liberal.
>>720640487The people who actually have the sales data and aren't going off random Twitter accounts that are botted to shit
>>720639894Well ofc its only enthusiasts who complain, they are the only ones who go in depth enough to compare different releases. You know what the rest of the casual market does? Drop your game and stops buying your product.What an insane kind of thought process.
>>720640810Wait xhenoblade was racist?
>>720639894They aren't aware of the issue or the nuance behind it. You need to remember these malicious freaks have been chipping their way into Japanese companies for years and it's just starting to show results for them.
>>720639894As along ad they get paid they don't give a shit.
>>720639894>Even Japan realizes the problem is culture war shitters
It's because japanese people themselves are extremely forgiving towards censorship, violent western games get censored all the time and they put up with it. So they just assume that when jap games get censored for the western audience they will do the same.
>>720640667they price games higher in yen
>>720639894>the Japanese do not really care if something gets censored for other people elsewhereno way, I wonder why
How do we stop the """experts""" from being fucking liars?its probably true that its a minority though, you have to know the original to know its censored, and most people don't care.
>>720641234>They aren't aware of the issue or the nuance behind itOh they know (see Yuji complaining about the censorship of DQ) the higher ups just don't give a shit and want that sweet DEI cash.
>>720641204Yes the chernoblade was racist
The minority that complains buys it anyway
>>720641698But did shulk nuke chernobil?
>>720639894I always find it funny, because the people that defend these kinds of censorship are the same ones that will talk about multiculturalism. Goes to show that they are hypocrites that only support multiculturalism as long as it agrees with their worldview
>>720639894it IS a minority, it's up to you to be loud so other people can see how retarded the product they are getting is.just look at the travesty that was the uma musume localization and fucking nobody is complaining about it.
>>720641204>Yeah, let's completely dumb down the lore with random greek names because they're more appealing to western audiences! Then we'll rewrite all the dialogue and change the characters' personalities, after all, it's just some dumb little japanese game!
>>720641642Best part is as usual>change and censor shit because a loud minority whines as if it is the biggest issue ever>people who actually buy and play these games in turn take a issue with that>"ehm who cares, you are just a loud minority"
>>720642062>people are happy with product>it's up to you to cry and whine so much that they become just as unhappy about it as you
>>720639894Minority of the population but majority of people paying attention. Even the ones who aren't paying attention are seeing that games are shit now though
>>720641128surely an expert would know sales data can't be reliable if it's an established ip and those complaints about localization and censorship are about newer titles
>>720639894It'd be wrong of them to think that.
>>720642445wtf i love localization now
And that is why I give my money to Korea and China instead.
>>720642276yes, you have to be vocal and advocate for the things you want and hold to be correct.That's always been how it works.
>>720640035He would care if he knew about it.
>>720643164the pokefag would, they'll slorp up anything
>>720639894>It seems malicious!You have to be at least three layers deep into the terminally online rightoid griftsphere for this, no shit some old Japanese politicians won't give a single shit.
>>720643695>rightoidHow can politic be relate to localization and censorship?
That is correct.
>>720640035>PokemonNo>PersonaABSOFUCKINGLUTELY YOU MORON THE STORY AND CHARACTERS IS THE POINT OF THE GAME
>>720644537Only if you ignore how many games were butchered and flopped.>>720643695Half of these aren't real words and it's not just rightoids complaining.
Plus Japan's censorship actually keeps them from playing good games, like Dead Space. Not "civilian killing/rapefucking simulator 2000".
>>720644419>anti-censorshippolitical obsession>censorship enjoyerspro-artcouldn't be simpler or more intuitive
>>720644748>from playing good games, like Dead Space.just from this sentence alone i can say with confidence that "rapefucking simulator 2000" is better than the entire top 100 games of your life.
>>720642276That's what a protest is, retard. yes.>>720641128>The people who actually have the sales dataOh the same sales data that told them Babylon's Fall would be successful? You niggers can't even be consistent for a single thread.
>>720644842How can censorship be pro-art when it denies 100% artistic freedom?
>>720644842i r8 this b8 an 8>>720644925that b8 made my m8 ir8
>>720642062To be fair, most localizations are a travesty, but Normalfags don't care. A lot of them are openly anti-Japan to begin with, and think localizers "fixing" the script is a good thing. Just look at the FE Engage localization and how it removed all romantic subtext from loli characters, normalfags praised it and multiple mod sites banned the translation patch fixing it.Also, for someone to notice and raise awareness about localization differences, they need to:>1) be fluent in both languages>2) have played or watched the game in both languages>3) care enough to screenshot and compile images showing these differencesWhen I was in that painful middle-ground of knowing some Japanese but not enough to confidently play the Japanese version, I discovered a lot of censorship from differences in the JP dialogue and the English script. Pic related for example. But after learning enough Japanese to play the originals, I rarely notice localization fuckups anymore unless I see screenshots/clips of the localization on 4chan or youtube. I think most fluent anons are the same, no one likes exposing themselves to bastardized American localizations.
>>720644914Did Babylons fall fail because of its localization you disingenuous fag
>>720642589>>720642445
>>720639894i'm not taking the japanese seriously for as long as they keep censoring their porn
>>720645006Really? I know a fair bit of japanese, and the impression I get from reading the original script is that their language is not very interesting. It needs to be reworked.Changing characterizations is over the line however, if it negatively impacts the cohesion. I mean Beatrix from FF9 makes no fucking sense due to the mistranslations in that game.
>>720639894It is a minority because the majority of westerners don't have any respect for the Japanese
>>720645607Vocaroo.
>goes to japan>talks to a bunch of game/anime companies and government officials about "muh censorship">no one gives a shitchronically online retard meets reality
>>720645719Do it in hiragana or katakana, like most games.
>>720639894useless data. they should ask normies if they knew that localization censored the source material how would they react.
>>720645908Concession accepted.
turns out no one actually cares like we all lnew
>>720645963I concede that you have no point.
>>720645006that pic can't be real
>>720646121The point that you can't read even simple Japanese for children?
>>720646224Women don't actually care about having children, chud. A cat is fine too
>>720645114It was a part of it and you're a disingenuous retard for assuming it wasn't. The game literally didn't have most of its text translated. >>720645006>To be fair, most localizations are a travesty, but Normalfags don't care. Normalfags DO care, Fire Emblem has had multiple games fail at this point because localizers would cut entire storylines out just so they didn't have to do the work in putting them in or butcher characters to put reddit/family guy memes in. And sure, Fire Emblem is not as normalfag as Mario, but it's still a nintendo franchise and people are intensely aware when one of the few Nintendo franchises that has something resembling a story has most of it cut out due to laziness.The first step in any of this is to stop acting like this isn't an important issue to people, it is. It has caused multiple games to fail.
Japanese are happy that westerners are correcting their harmful culture for them, so why are you upset?
>>720639894>lolcowizer thread where multiple shit-eating tourists from Resetera and reddit try to tell everyone that this is not an industry-wide problem that has crashed multiple games by making them basically undecipherable unless you have intense internet brainrotOh boy I can't wait for this re-run!!!!!
>>720639894ITT: weebs that doesn't know a lick of Japanese complains about translations and censorship headcanons
>>720646762Why does resetera even still exist
>>720646762hey, there's one >>720646973
>>720639894why is it the japanese government's responsibility what happens to other countries' translations?
>>720646762>Original was so bad the new translator did the retranslation for free
>>720646973Yea I'm sure the original language totally had the characters saying SUS and cringe.
>>720640035>>720646973YES MY FELLOW REDDITORS, NO ONE CARES ABOUT THIS STOP TALKING ABOUT IT. I mean all of us Reddit niggers are ESL anyway and barely know a lick of English, so it's only natural that we can tell native English speakers how they feel about an English localization. where you from bby? Brazil?
>is it our fault as japs that everything in our country is wrong>no its the white people's fault
You have to tell the Japanese IP owners that the disingenuous and arbitrary localizers are damaging their IP irreparably, this is harmful for the reputation of Japanese companies
>Japanese: That man over there seems suspicious>After localization: THAT SURE IS ONE SUSSY BAKA
>>720646541>Fire Emblem has had multiple games fail at this point because localizersWhat gives you this impression? Engage flopped for its own reasons, but Awakening, Fates and Three Houses were very successful despite their localizations. FE Heroes has forced dub and still makes bank in the west. There are people who care, but they're an absolute minority outnumbered by tasteless normalfags.
>>720640285And said censorship is almost all from foreign pressures. The real reason they don't pay much mind to foreign localizations and changes is that they don't want to deal with the backlash and nonsense because they know it is all one big trap and the smart move is just to avoid the whole thing. Before the tourism push Tokyo Game Shows had wet t-shirt contests and all sorts of other stuff. It wasn't localizers who made them get rid of that.
>>720639894>"other countries have their own laws"This is the biggest indicator of their mindset, they think the changes are specifically because of government regulation, and not because of agenda pushing.The japanese are obedient cattle to authority, which is understandable when they've had a relatively comfortable lifestyle up until recent years, so most have no reason to inherently distrust their own government and incorrently assume everywhere else is the same way.
>>720647702Failed doesn't actually mean failed to that anon. It means "I don't like it"
>>720647853You have a complete misunderstanding of Japanese people which doesn't help the situation. The majority of Japanese people will severely fuk over their own lives and refuse to compromise and refuse to lose face. When it comes to shit like a localization, they see foreign views as just that, foreign things and do not attempt to understand them and will say fuk it just let them do what they want because it is not the Japanese version and therefore not our problem. Same reason only a handfulf of developers actually oversee translation or voice acting like Mikami, Kojima and Nomura, and the rest do not pay any attention.
>>720647768Anon, Japanese censorship especially of genitalia is most definitely not due to foreign influence.
>>720648320That is due to post-WW2 mandates and cultural programming. Mixed bathes were prohibited, mixed toilets were phased out, genitals were censored or forbidden in print media, clothing as in uniforms etc. was altered.
>>720640091By getting the localized fired since most of them are cheering for the death of a guy lately.
>>720648590Anon, you think they are being forced to keep that today? By foreign influence?
>>720639894The Japanese House is currently not in session due to Prime Minister Ishiba's resignation and the upcoming LDP presidential election
>>720648627It really doesn't have to be so drastic, it just needs to be a vocal movement insisting that they translate as is. The only problem is this kind of backlash negatively affects Japanese publishers who don't necessarily have any bad intent, and in todays market they may not get another chance to make a big game if something gets shat on. Many companies today are actually insisting on direct translation and have the Japanese team checking translations and approving terms, but that only goes so far as they often aren't fully fluent.
>>720648726>he doesn't know
>>720639894It objectively is
>>720648726Yes, that is the nature of the current age we are, although things have slightly shifted back a little. The biggest change was the tourism initiative in Japan and Abe's Utsukushii Nippon project, and there have been major changes since. Another example is manga magazines changing the content allowed on the cover due to foreign complaints.
>>720648908They never will. We need to get them fired.
>>720648726Here's another. Due to preparation for the Olympics several reforms were enacted in Japan in terms of public image, which included anime and manga, as well as restaurants and prohibiting smoking as it was seen as disliked by foreigners. Adding English to everything was also a goal, and countless money was spent for that, which benefits Japanese people very little. The Olympics ended up being an economic bust due to the virus.
>>720649103So you're saying the censoring of genitalia, something the supposed foreign countries don't even do, are absolutely forcing Japan to do so?I knew /v/ can be retarded but jesus christ.
>>720648908>It really doesn't have to be so drastic>it just needs to be a vocal movementAh yes because that's worked so well. If you can get these fucking retards fired, do it. They hate you and enjoy taking shit away from you.
>>720649359That is the origin of sensitizing the population to genitals, and I listed easily researchable examples. Japan was very open about nudity of the other sex before the war.
>weebs ignore that Japan is a very traditionally conservative nation, and somehow is actually a coomer's paradisemany such cases
>>720649490anon, they pointed out today.today, you retard.
>>720648320Fucking retard. Post war Japanese constitution and culture was written by protestant Americans and Jews. Japan was known as a sexually free and shameless country by many foreign travelers before sakoku. KYS
>>720649171>>720649376We live in the era of soft power. Getting them fired is a lofty goal with no clear modus operandi. Creating a voice strong enough to be heard is an easy first step even if you want to get them fired, and we should be working together to do that first as it is clearly feasible. I respect your opinion, but given the nature of those people, this invokes revenge on their part. At the end of the day, the way these teams operate is that the Japanese leads are the final say and they don't dare argue with them. Getting the Japanese team to say 'No, translate it as is' is an easy first step and we can go from there, some companies are already doing that.
>>720642445And then Black Panther made absolutely massive amount of money in China, one of the most highest grossing foreign movie ever in that country.
>>720649585>Fucking retard>proceeds to say something fucking retarded for modern daykek
Ok ESL
>>720649585He seems to just be trolling to prolong an endless argument that devolves to nonsense, but I disagree with the shameless part. Japan had a stricter shame culture than almost anyone, it's just that the criteria for shame in terms of sexuality was different. Women used to bathe, piss and shit in front of men. In reality, this leads to a reduction of obsession with scat or genitals, same as public bathing reduces homoerotic thoughts as everything is out in the open and mundane.
I'm against censorship, but it's crazy to me that people actually give a fuck about fire emblem characters. They all have a single personality trait.
>>720649585you're a legitimate moron anon
>>720650094kek that is completely true.
>>720639894Because they are. It's a loud minority. Normal people do not give a shit at all. It's the same thing with the retarded "WE IN LE CIVIL WAR" reactions you saw on twitter after the Charlie Kirk shooting. Go outside and touch grass.
>>720649834>Japanese leads are the final say and they don't dare argue with themlol you're fucking delusional. The localization will say something is heckin problematic and the Japanese teams will put guidelines in place to censor the Japanese versions too.
>>720650094but I love Nephenee
>>720650094Fire Emblem is a franchise for gooners and women. If you’ve been keeping score at home, ALL of the backlash against “censorship” in recent years comes from virgins upset that their masturbation material is being inconvenienced. And of course nobody is going to take their side because nobody wants to ally with the ESL incels who threaten violence if an anime girl is given shorts instead of a thong.
>>720650479I don't agree with you. Changing outfits is lame and unnecessary. Adults can decide what to consume.>>720650397I forget what her one trait was. Farmer or something?>>720650258I enjoy the games, I just don't get the obsession with the characters. If bonds didn't give stats I would never do them.
>>720650479>t. homosexual
>>720650479Really should've done things like the Chinese incels. Go stab some motherfucker CEOs instead of crying to big daddy gubby
>>720650614low self-esteem country bumpkin
>>720640035persona fans are tranny weebs. They'd freak out if sumire didn't say senpai constantly in the en dub
>traditionally censorship heavy nation doesn't care about censorship in other nationsin other news, /v/ learns that water is wet
>>720648897So op lied for the sake of localizers?
>>720640035If they knew of them, they would. They have no reason to assume their games are being maliciously altered.
>>720647412A major problem with the Japanese rn is that there's no actual way to curb the consumerism without potentially nuking the economy. Meanwhile, while that traditionalist stuff would be good, getting people to engage with it would require cracking down on the black companies and all the other predatory hiring which has basically ran their energy dry. This in turn, would nuke the economy as well.It always comes back to the fucking economy because the biggest problems can turn into pillars if you don't deal with them in a timely manner>>720648897It's so fascinating watching every major international political institution spiraling to the ground as a result of a global populist shift.We could potentially see the cancellation or start of WWIII because a bunch of terminally online ancaps, demsocs, fascists, and tankies decided they didn't like how everything was being ran by the gerontocracy
>>720645006>and how it removed all romantic subtext from loli charactersas well as every character the same age as the MC like Celine, Alcryst, and Fogado. remember, engage localizers think its fine for a 45 year old man to marry a 17 year old girl, but not for a 17 year old boy to marry a 17 year old girl.
>>720639894the censorship isn't even based on laws is the really shitty part. It has nothing to do with laws and everything to do with the shitty culture in publishers in the west being taken over by "Womyn"
>>720648158no real point in engaging (heh) with someone who thinks a 1.6 million selling FE game is a "flop".
>>720651124AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>720645006>from loli characters>posts pic with non-loli character???
>>720650385That's because the Japanese leads don't put their foot down because they don't see the reason to. If they do, there is nothing the localizers can do. You seem to have misunderstood the argument. If the Japanese side is convinced of one thing then there is nothing the other side can do because the Japanese side are the bosses and that is what we should focus on first.
>>720649315>The Olympics ended up being an economic bust due to the virus.pretty sure the Olympics is almost always an economic bust, i really have no idea how countries get memed into vying for the hosting rights.
>>720642445Unironically imagine of Batman posters showed unmasked batman.Its just modern Holywood slop focusing more on the actors than the actual character they play.Its why almost no Marvel movie versions of characters even wear masks anymore.
>>720651325>AI summary
>>720651325>children are antisemitic, so you need to replace that with a cat!
>>720651037Yes, economy is the driving factor in much of this. To add, many translations and localizations are outsourced to other companies and they aim to not upset any side of the business deal to ensure further contracts.
>>720651545Kek, Don Cheadle looks shopped as fuck
>>720639894Solipsistic weeb. No-one gives a fuck what details of your childish hobby make you angry.
>>720651702Nice try, but we know you want to rape them
>>720640035Its more than Nickelodeon turning all sushi references to Hamburgers. Its a bunch of feminist Karens turning the game dialogue into their own personal political blogs.
>>720652238>having children is rapeYou're a fucking retard.
>>720647412this is bullshitpeople don't want kids because it's expensive as fuckit's almost impossible to pay for house, school, food, impost and every other obligatory thing with the regular salaryadd a kid to it and the whole thing become impossible
>>720645006>translation uses example of a character being bad with pets to imply that she'd be even worse with children Are all "anti-censorship" types this stupid?
your fault for not learning Nihongo after all this time
>>720639894Yeah, they're completely right. Majority of normal people don't care
>>720650094Count of Monte Cristo was censored in english until 1996.As before, gaming is only exposing what goes on in other media people believe more respectable.
>>720642445The poster on the left is just an alternated version of the Japanese poster and the Japanese posters show some of the cast maskless. Not to mention this is the actual Chinese poster on the left of my picrel. This is just propaganda sloppa.
>>720649834They should be fired at the bare minimum.
>>720649834>given the nature of those people, this invokes revenge on their partIf you are a man and or white they automatically hate you and are gunning for you when they can. Always remember this
>>720653213That should have been the end of the whole argument.
>>720653213let me guess, localizer was a manlet.
>>720652584>getting married and having kids is the same as having a catHoly shit are all mutts this stupid? No wonder we can't fix the censorship problem.
>>720639894Japan has fallen (young as in 18 and over)
>>720654438All the jeets/nogs they're importing would rape (even) more if they saw these naked statues.
>>720653382I appreciate the correction
Let’s be real: if you’re still an EOP in 2025 and don’t know any Japanese, that’s on you. This stopped being a “woke localizer” problem and became a user problem back in 2015, realistically speaking. Learn the language or get stuck with garbage translations.Also if you play japanese games that have body type gender options you're literally the problem.
Until these people get fired and all their friends it won't change.
>>720654779Resetards are not human.
>>720654768>Also if you play japanese games that have body type gender options you're literally the problem.I feel like this is one of the only things that's going to take a very long time to revert. No big AAA company will want to be the first to do it. I think they could probably get away with it if they were to do it and say nothing. No response to any praise or controversy. Companies need to shut the fuck up and stop interacting with the internet.
>>720654779>this 33 year old retard thinks he is god's gift to japan
>>720654779>I'm literally shakingAnd then that fucking end, lmao. This feels like well crafted bait with the call for "inclusivity" by conforming everything you dont like into some borg entity or something
>>720654779>FOREIGN CULTURE IS BAD!! I'M SUPERIOR AND SMARTER THAN THEM SO I CAN JUDGE IT!Ethnocentrism at its finest
>>720655045>>FOREIGN CULTURE IS BAD!! I'M SUPERIOR AND SMARTER THAN THEM SO I CAN JUDGE IT!Based
>>720655026What does that even mean? You see people say this more in politics rather than vidya but do people vibrate when upset or something?
Yeah, friendly reminder that if you're playing a translation you're not experiencing the actual game, but the localizator's fanfiction.Learn japanese or fuck off.
Why is it only anime and video games that have translation issues? Hentai is almost completely accurate. What's the deal?
>>720639894>members of parliament>Japanese expertskek
>>720653382>make movie about niggers>people watch itits crazy how low the western society has fallen
>>720655481the garbage that is out to destroy culture gets too anxious seeing nudity to be able to translate hentai
>>720648908>It really doesn't have to be so drasticyes. it does.they celebrate people dying over mere political disagreements, but advocate against the death penalty of known black murderers/rapists because we aren't treating them right and muh "if you kill them you'll be like them (unless they're white and male)" logic
>>720655560So what you're saying is... the only solution is to fill video-games with so much coombait that it permanently gatekeeps subversives from ruining it
>>720655690that would never work, they'd find a way to make regulations invade on that territory and suppress that kind of activityremember jack thompson
>>720655481I have definitely seen a bunch of faggots with agendas uploading "translated" hentai while trying to get the older versions removed.
>>720639894He's right, only a very small percentage of foreigners care about localization of Japanese media.Even then, what is Japanese parliament meant to do about it? Why would they want to dictate how westerners localize media in their own countries.
>>720655269What the fuck? The left one is so much better.
>>720656117How could you possibly significantly alter the meaning of the dialogue when the visuals are already so... set in stone?
>>720655670Don't pretend your side is righteous, you also celebrate and mock deaths to the point the irony is lost on you or you're fully aware and actively ignore how much of a hypocrite you are. You americans are fucked up regardless of which team you cheer on, you're controlled by the funny hat guys and would rather fight each other instead of doing a truce and going for your real enemies.
>>720655269>Zidane wasn't supposed to be a faggot in the original japaneseWhat a shitty translation
>>720639894>>720655481>Hentai is almost completely accurate.Steam sells sex-removed porn. Think about it. You're literally buying porn W I T H O U T the sex. (Whole locations might be missing even with a patch.)What the OP's saying is, the masses aka. the plebs, are such plebs, that they'll buy sex-removed porn. At some point it became common to do that. Do I care? No, you can do whatever you want. That's what OP is saying. As long as you're getting money, who cares if somebody else (i.e. the dumb populace, plebs, the masses) is fine with sex-removed porn? It's not my problem.
>>720656151Try reading the post and the mystery might be solved.He mentioned it in response to being asked about concerns of overseas users.He mentions malicious localization / censorship.Yes, developers may want to be aware of this when signing off on their products being distributed abroad, they should be aware that what they're signing up to might be vandalism in transit.How retarded do you need to be to even be wondering why this is the case?
>>720640035>it is.Gamergate proves you wrong. Gamergate wasn't only about journalism. It was about western politics affecting gam8ng as a whole, which also includes Japanese localization
>>720647249Japs censor shit like this automatically on their own in the original Japanese script now. Just see how they butchered the Trails in the Sky remake.
>>720639894>Japanese thinks it's only the MINORITY who complain about localization and censorshipThey'd be correct, weeb.
>>720655690That sounds like a great idea, besides the whole issue of payment processors being able to single jewedly ruin Japan's entire gaming industry.
>>720655690>the solution is pornBased.
>>720656927Impressive how you keep going full speed ahead with your gaslighting.
>>720656916>Japs censor shit like this automatically on their own in the original Japanese script now.That's because they took the ESG/DEI pill late in the game, while it's starting to wind down in the west. They now have DEI training seminars to develop their DEI games in-house, to streamline the development process. But ultimately this all comes back to western influence and the spread of DEI around the financial sphere of the world.
>>720639894Let's make a few things clear: First, Japan has abysmal English proficiency. It's so bad that even in the tourism industry you have hotel clerks who cannot speak a word of English, and rely on people using google translate to communicate with them.Secondly, outside of Japan barely anybody speaks Japanese. One of the chronic problems with discussing localization is that you have two sides who can't speak Japanese arguing as if they are experts. You don't need to be fluent to know that something is wrong, and yet you have people consistently picking the weakest examples of bad translation or choosing the dumbest hills to die on instead of arguing with cold hard facts. The other side are a bunch of dishonest faggots who are just defending their political peers.Thirdly, Japanese companies care about their domestic market a lot more than the international market. If Japanese companies cared about the international market as much as we wished they did some series would've been stillborn like God Eater and Yakuza.Taking all of this into account localizers operate in a black box where input is injected into it and an output is produced, but neither side knows what the hell is going on because they don't understand both languages.Almost every JP->EN game is horribly localized. FFXIV, other Final Fantasy games, Persona, Metaphor, Valkyria Chronicles and even some smaller games are atrociously translated and you even have people claiming they have "great localizations" because they have bri'ish accents in them and not because they've done a good job localizing phrases like 雨が降ろうが槍が降ろうが.The entire thing is shitshow where there is no solution in sight. Japanese companies don't care, consumers are stupid and don't know the difference between localization and translation. And then you have bad actors just participating in political tribalism and not defending good localization, which there is none.
>>720657701>Thirdly, Japanese companies care about their domestic market a lot more than the international market.This here is the biggest issue.Japan just does not care about the international market, once the game goes worldwide its out of their minds, all that matters is that the local market got what it wanted.
>>720639894It's begun
>>720657939>BegunIts been going on since 2022 when the mass import of garbage started.Sexual assault crimes and crashes involving foreigners mysteriously tripled in that timeframe.
>>720656301wtg except all you're talking about here is 4chan where every death gets mocked and made fun of, including kirk's
>>720657939>>720658187you now remember the whole stop asian hate thing
>>720657701so the only realistic solution is to learn japanese
>>720658523That was for chinese due to covid and new york apes attacking them.
>>720658620always been
>>720658620That's kinda defeatist. I'd say learning Japanese and publicly pointing out terrible localization is a lot more productive.
>>720656763Literally none of that explains what parliament is meant to do to resolve this issue retardWhat do you want them to push out a press bulletin or something? There's nothing they can do about a localizer in California changing a game's script
>>720658626NTA but thanks, I didn't know and never made the connection
>>720658938NTA, but what should an institution of power do to achieve its aims?I dunno use that said power or something.
>>720639894normalfags are>youngins who only care about vidya as a vehicle to have fun with friends>dad gamers who only have 10 milliseconds per decade to sit down and play>women who play mobileshit and the simsnone of these people care about censorship and localization
>>720647412Who's that retarded faggot? Men don't want to have kids they're not gonna see because they spend all their time at work
>>720657902>>720657701Japan cares about their international market in the sense it's the biggest market overall. They're not as hung up on the exact details of translation/localization because like the OP says, a lot of Japanese just accept that there are major cultural differences. They think making changes is inevitable. Whatever makes the game palatable to a western audience, they have no choice but to put their faith in localizers. Things that they consider strange may be par for the course, so they just accept certain changes, and sometimes they can't monitor an entire localization project.I've looked at Pokémon's localization documents and they're really interesting, especially as it changed from game to game. Every time they make a change, they have to OK it with Game Freak, explain their reasoning in Japanese, and Game Freak will respond with the affirmative or create a dialogue to further discuss things they don't see the point in changing. For example, the badge names up to Pokémon Black and White. In Japanese, the seventh gyms of Johto, Sinnoh, and Unova are called the Ice, Glacier, and Icicle Badges. In English, they're localized as the Glacier, Icicle, and Freeze Badges. During Black and White's localization, the localization pointed out how Icicle Badge was already taken, and how all the names had become swapped around and they now had to call the seventh Unova badge something else. Game Freak wasn't happy about this situation and thought it never should have happened, they should have just stuck to the names. On the exact opposite end of the spectrum, the localization asked to change the name of Unova's Beetle Badge to the more generic Insect Badge (which had technically been used in Japanese in Gold and Silver) on the premise that "beetle" was too specific of a real world species to reference. To this, Game Freak responded positively and gave the go ahead to change it, and even asked that they change other instances like this.
>>720639894Bad faith acting as a primary language and lifestyle is nearly completely foreign to Japan. .It would be outstandingly sick to them once they actually understand it.
>>720651124I'm trying but I'm really bad with languages.
>>720639894Why can't you kill yourself OP?everyone hates the "restrictions on expression" (表現規制) aka CENSORSHIPguess who the harbingers of that are? POZCALIZERS and (((ethics departments)))
>>720659964>>720659974it's less that they don't understand it and more like westoids actively lie and deceive to keep it under wrapsnot-so-recent leaks showed westoids give the jp side a decent script first, get approval, then instantly turn around and turn the script into goyslop
>>720647249>gave her a non-stereotypical personalityoh no the horror
>>720660749SLAPPY PICKLES
>>720659486because vidya are just silly toys for them, nothing more
>>720659070That's also why it died really quickly. When everyone saw that it was nogs doing the attacks, they decided that Asians were White.
>>720640487(((experts weighing in)))
>>720661021Yep, that's the part people talk about
>>720640487Asking questions is antisemitic goy.
>learn japanese? no i will bitch on /v/ for 15+ years
>>720647620Based localizers adapting the script to the western language and audience while retaining the original meaning.
>>720648234To be fair, micromanaged oversight can also turn out really shitty. Like Metroid other M had Sakamoto overlook both the translation and the voice acting, as in he was in the booth and giving direct feedback to the actress with the help of a interpreter.This has nothing to do with localization though, which is just a shitty excuse to put a cultural filter on something if it has the "wrong" politics.
>>720659964Yeah, it becomes financially unfeasible to distrust your localizers. I get that and it's another compounding factor. You'd have to hire a third party to go over the localization and given how incestuous these people are chances are the third party is not going to their job in good faith. I don't play Pokemon so I can't comment on that, but I don't trust the localizer's side of the story given their track record.>"Japan cares about their international market in the sense it's the biggest market overall."You say this but I even have friends living in Japan that will tell me the exact opposite. From a business sense they care insofar they make a localized English version and leave it at that. They will always care about the domestic market more.>"They're not as hung up on the exact details of translation/localization"Because they can't speak English. And it's not about cultural differences. The point of localization is to make a Japanese sentence sound as if it was written in English. The aforementioned phrase I gave "雨が降ろうが槍が降ろうが" literally means: "When rain and spears fall". That is translation, localization would take that phrase and turn it into the English equivalent of: "Come hell or high water". What English localization almost always does is the pic in anon's post >>720655269 here. They didn't localize much less translate the scene they completely rewrote it. There's nothing here in Japanese that can't be localized into English or offends Anglo sensibilities.As for the Japanese parliament, they got better things to worry about. It's not an issue that parliament can or should care about. It's something consumers themselves need to care about. But good luck with that.
>>720659964 contBut I think it goes to show that not every company (especially the ones that can afford it and have a conscious international brand image) just allows anything to happen just to get their game out there.There are still cultural differences that result in changes no matter what. For example, if you have a game for kids, referencing alcohol is a big no-no in North America. Alcohol references pushes the ESRB rating up to a minimum T. This isn't the case in Japan or for a number of countries like France. Alcohol being mentioned is no cause for alarm, it's a common everyday thing that just happens to be drunk by an older demographic. But references must be scrubbed in North America if it's a children's game, that is the kind of moral panic they try to avoid. North America's relationship with alcohol seems to be more destructive than other countries I've seen. I don't know if the alcohol is more potent (Japan's is kinda weak on average, but that's only in comparison to North America), but events like drunk driving and severe alcoholism have hurt society far more than they have Japan, which is a very pro-alcohol country.
>>720661256
>>720661245because it takes a lot of time to learn. even just to read/hear it.
>>720661245right mindset>>720661426bitch faggot mindset
>>720661426would it take you more than 15 years? 10? 5?
>no I'm not self-important. I care about it so it *must* matter right?
>>720661492if you do anki + grammar + immersion from day one it will take 2 years
They're trannylators gaslighting the publisher to let them keep shitting up scripts
>>720639894he's right lol no one outside this site gives a fuck
>>720660749That's not their job. Also what is a "stereotypical" personality?
>>720661694>>720661562People in and outside this site care about this stuff.Fuckin' midwits.
>>720639894I have a theory that even within Japan there's unspoken concern about what they're actually putting out, praise anime boobs and ass as much as you want but if you think that's the kind of thing a healthy society should be producing in as much volume as Japan does you're beyond insane.So they want to avoid the censorship question because it's a symptom of a different problem, a problem they want to pretend doesn't exists, and all of the political bullshit is only serving as smokescreen, whatever it is it's their concern can't be anything but internal.
>>720660749even if the original game is bad, you still should not try to fix it. you're not the author and have no right to do so.
>>720661583eh depends on your autismwith just the immersion method like that but if you have turbo autism you can get to conversational level in less than a yearwhat's good about the AJATT method is that it's literally monkey proof, it relies on basic brain functions you used to learn your first language as a baby but takes advantage of your adult pattern recognition toobasically unless you let jew propaganda utterly fry your pattern recognition neurons it will never take more than 2 years
>>720661379Another example of the original meaning being retained in the localization. Bad localization is turning sushi in jelly donuts not saying the same this as the Japanese but with a bit more flair because English isn't a high context caveman language like Japanese is.
>>720661821Truuuu. They should get on that shoot & murder simulator grind the west does if they knew what's good for them.
>>720661924trying too hard with your ragebait m8
I shit you not some Japanese are so mindbroken they can't masturbate to porn if the genitals AREN'T censored.
>720661924(You)0.5/10
>>720639894It is
>>720661245>YES GOY JUST LEARN JAPANESE THAT WILL TOTALLY FIX THE CENSORSHIP OF OUTFITS AND COSTUMESretard
>>720661924Yes, chud is a well-known Japanese phrase...
>>720662116In retrospect this was from KT paying the SBI management extortion fees lol.
The good news is that there's a good chance japanese devs will outsource their translations to AI-based sweatshops in south east asia, simply because it's cheaper while still of acceptable quality.
>>720662116>>YES GOY JUST LEARN JAPANESE THAT WILL TOTALLY FIX THE CENSORSHIP OF OUTFITS AND COSTUMESYes? The Switch is region free, if you know japanese you can just buy the japanese version
>>720661924Please kill yourself, most people don't know what a chud is.
>>720661315Yeah, I don't think Japanese care about how their games are localized unless it's something that becomes a significant threat to their brand image (ie. any moral outrage/online movement). How many Americans do you see up in arms over changes made to the Japanese localizations of American games? Practically none. At the most, someone might point out Crash Bandicoot's design differences and people will have a laugh, but nobody will actually care about certain references being changed. There's even an effect where people seeing a writing change can be fascinated by it because they learn a new Japanese expression or cultural thing. I think the Japanese care about as much as we do, and it's only when those changes made for other countries lead to worldwide changes that people begin to get upset domestically. Other than that, you get your odd cases like Kojima being a stickler for how MGS was localized.
>>720662213>there's a good chanceAlready happening basically everywhere outside vidya since last year.Vidya just has far more inertia for some reason.
>>720662227nvm im dumb and didn't read your pic
>>720662171>>720662227learning japanese doesn't fix censorship. japs are affected too. kill yourself
why are 90% of the comments like :"yeah he's right only losers care about this"are these bots
Why do fat retarded mentally ill people gravitate towards being localizers? A sense of power maybe?
>>720662227>Dude, just learn Japanese and play the original versionOr how about localizers translate the Japanese text word for word for English readers?
>>720662350It's the localization defense force. They're actually kinda slacking today.
>>720646762>troonslations
>>720662376I agree Gus, but if they don't give af that's the only solution
>>720662350It has been their same tired argument for over a decade now>Why do you care>How does it affect you>It's only minor>Just learn japanese insteadKeep calling them out, make normalfags aware of the bullshit they are pulling
>>720661492I've been learning since 2009 and I hardly know shit so yeah it will take you longer than 15 years.
>>720662306i don't get this picture, aren't all mangas online translated by private fans that do it for free
>>720662350basically either shills or botstheir arguments are one of the following>yes goy shittly LLM MTL good>just learn japanese goy>who cares about it incel (apeal to triviality. if it's so trivial why censor it in the first place then)>just vote with your wallet goyand a million other bad faith non-argumentsit also pisses me off that these slimy cunts also support the efforts of credit card kikes to censor vidya, while at the same time pretending it's "just right wing evangelicals" or some other bogeyman they made up on the spot
>>720662487>>720662451>>720662306>>720662227>>720662116>>720662056How do I make my text green?
>>720662345SIE snoy is a westoid company tho
>>720662301Fun fact EN->JP media is also hilariously bad, but it's not done in bad faith it's just the terrible English proficiency rearing its ugly head.One of the examples I was told was the "No Russian" scene in Call of Duty. They localized that in Japanese as, roughly: "Kill them they are Russian." and then in another game you had a character say "Hell yeah" and they localized that as "Oh yes Hell!" as in the character is happy he's in hell. It goes both ways and they are equally oblivious to bad localization as normies are.
>>720662350/v/setera will resist chuds that want accurate translations, how could Amazon adapt such filth?
>>720661983This is different. The meaning of the dialogue has actually changed here and is this bad. You guys are really that stupid that you categorize the first two in the reply chain with something like this? And then you wonder why people don't take you seriously.
>>720662618>Test
I'm remembering how YS8 localization was so bad, that falcom forced them to redo it.
>>720662350Fun fact, localizers (especially katroona) literally admit to browse 4chan on a daily basis looking for trannylator threads.>>720662357Pretty much, same reason they gravitate towards being pisscord and leddit moderators.
use a translation app dummies.
>>720662615>>just learn japanese goyyoure doing friendly firetrannylators shit their pants at anyone actually learning japanese because they need you to consoom the goyslopas of last year or so they have gone as to far as to cry cure dolly is somehow an unhinged feminist to try convince you to not use one of the few decent non-sabotaged learning guides out there
>720662697How can somebody be this smug yet this wrong.
>>720662819they all use AI now, and AI has long rotted from reaching N2 during the GPT4 early days to the point of barely being more accurate than 2010s google translate
>>720661991Literally meI vomit when I'm playing an uncensored eroge holy shit the dicks and pussy look sooooooooo fucking bad.
>MUH LOCALIZATIONGet with the times old man, censorship is done right at the Japanese source now.
>>720662819i tried Yandex but you already know how translation apps suck and miss the context of the dialogues and sentences
>>720662487>>720662615>>720662376Mad cause they're correct If you really care that much then you would have learned Japanese. Your lack of knowledge of Japanese is pure proof it's not as big a deal as you claim. Put your money where your mouth is faggot, learn Japanese and buy the Japanese versions.
>>720662927At the very least that's going to piss off the japanese as well lmaoSucks in the moment, but could potentially lead to backlash in japan itself.
>>720640140too late for that. jap writers are already being consulted by danger hairs so they can make unified games for all regions. I know japanese and its only good for playing games made before 2019ish.
>>720663157>At the very least that's going to piss off the japanese as well hahahahaha they're not as retarded as you
>>720663102I'll keep learning Japanese and tell you your beloved EN versions are rewritten dogshit.
>someone does a "retranslation" of something that was officially translated>"retranslation" is literal and misses the context, underlying message, or pun that the official translator picked up on and worked into the localizationWhy does this happen?
>>720662665I've seen English movies in Japanese theaters where the subtitles are Japanese. You see something like Guardians of the Galaxy or the Mario movie where the English script is really liberal and filled with all sorts of tangents and slang, and the Japanese subs are just far more straightforward. I remember Luigi having some line about Destiny so-and-so or whoever from high school when Mario says "Destiny is calling", and while I don't remember exactly what the subtitles said, I do remember that they were very plain and straightforward and didn't try to make it into some off the cuff joke. There are other times where some character might call another an idiotic mouth-breathing ignoramus of the lowest caliber, and the Japanese is just 超バカ.
>>720663235Wanna bet?>>720660464
>>720662819L take
>>720663425Any example?
>>720663531Zoomer moron who can't even pay attention.
>>720663617i taught myself japanese wdym stop assuming things
>>720663559It wouldn't matter even if it did exist (which I doubt t b h), since some fuckarses basement retranslation isn't going to forced on anybody the same way "official" localization is.
>>720662927The text in the red boxes is not even properly translated tho.In the first one it should be closer to "If it bothers you that much, then at least be feminine and dress up to act like a girl your age", which removes the skirt mention but is far more direct with the point.The second one with her is closer to "This is (my) outfit for staff-fighting! 'Like a' what? 'Like a'!" Again basically only the mention of a pantyshot got removed.Then again this is also ignoring you are comparing removing the mention of a pantyshot with full blown goyslopping.Anyone that has ever worked at XSEED and is pissy the retranslation is more accurate needs to be skinned alive and drowned in salt.
>>720663425Nice fantasy posting
>>720663102the JP version is rewritten toothe characters are getting covered up in both versionsyou are a jewish shill>>720663559you're replying to a pro-pozcalization tranny shill who argues that any translation that's not pozcalization must be "dry" and "literal". don't engage xir.
>>720663225i have been hearing this cope since before the original goobergate and to this day trannylators still have to cope and seethe by censoring vidya lol
What bad news dropped for westoids/chinks/gooks again that there's another wave of antijapan demoralization propaganda?
>>720663446No one cares about what some bottom feeder creeps on yaraon are saying
>>720664014Japan is over. China is the future.
>>720664014>westoidsthe UN officially considers palestine a valid country now with a landslide vote, some of the few that voted against it are amerimutts and israel>chinks/gookstheir gachaslop grift bubble collapsed and japan won even there now
>>720664196lmao monster strike is still a thing? last time i've seen anything about that was 2019 or so
>>720663924good example but I dont play fire emblem games. nintendo sucks on a whome different level.
>>720664014kikes keep panicking and making their own situation worse
>>720663830>actually, removing a joke about upskirts is GOOD because I don't LIKE themvery convincing
>>720664369if you wanted more examples you could have just asked
>>720664029Lol keep coping buddy.
>>720664531why the fuck do trannies trauma dump during their work
>>720664621For the same reason they do the same on the westoid side but directly as writers.
>>720664531Unicorn is especially bad, the localization for the initial dialogue makes it seems like the prince cares more about his reputation.Also, every single item and skill was translated incorrectly, supposedly its been fixed, but other people tell me it still sucks.
>>720664014Adding to the pile, basically all chinka hero project games from snoy have flopped.
>>720639894Based.
>>720645006why no, i DON'T think dying on the hill for what most people would consider pedo behavior is a good way to champion your causethere is a reason why nobody wants to associate with you
>>720664196Who gives a fuck about a worthless institution like the UN>Chinese gacha made 40 million instead of 50 million ITS OVERFucking retard.
>>720664831>Also, every single item and skill was translated incorrectly,that's hardly new
I like seeing all you chuds ssethe. I'll keep altering games to my heart's content and there's nothing you pathetic incels can do about it.
>>720664974This cant be real.You're fucking with me.
>>720661991>>720645598>le mosaicSteam sells porn games W I T H O U T the porn.You literally take ALL the sex out of porn games (it's fine, maybe you can insert it again later...maybe) and think you can complain about japan lmao.
>>720639894This thread is putrid brown. No wonder Japs don't listen to you.
>>720664975We can.https://gbatemp.net/threads/xenoblade-2-delocalization-retranslation-patch.667076/
>>720665065censored (no sex scenes) fsn >>> fsn in the nukige version
>>720639894while true that it's mostly the enthusiasts bitching about it, there is zero reason to allow localizers to damage japanese culture through their political censorship
>>720665084>Only browns care about censorshipGCJ not sending their best.
>>720665184Nobody cares macaco. Go scream to the clouds.
>>720665131No one mods their consoles.We localizers won. You lost incels.
>>720665308No no no. You do not get to try and invoke him.
Tolkien didn't tolerate localizers. Why should I?
>>720665036that's not even the worst mistranslation from grub vs
>>720639894>bad games get bad localizationsI don't see the issue.
>>720665308Is this another poopdick schizo situation so you can shut down conversation?Cause na, I'll keep talking about it.
We need more de-localization modsTokyo Mirage Sessions #FE (de-localization (ages back to 17, dialogue etc/ outfits, cleavage etc uncensored)https://archive.org/details/stainless_201912Fire emblem Engage (fully uncensored ):https://varishangout.com/index.php?threads/fire-emblem-engage-uncensored-patch.1730/Fire Emblem IF (fates):all dlcs, everything retranslated and uncensoredhttps://varishangout.com/index.php?threads/fire-emblem-fates-uncensored-patch.2738/ and Xenoblade 2 >>720665131
>>720665514um, I have no respect for the medium, so you're not allowed to defend itthat's why
>>720665552That let him cook shit is from Granblue?
>>720665630does this re-vagina their bones?
>>720639894More like Nips don't care about gaijins getting censored as long as Nips don't
>>720665730yes everything is uncensored
>>720665332>consoles>2025
>>720665796except the japs are getting fucked too by pozcalizers and ethics departments
Tolkien didn't respect or tolerate localizers, why should I?
>>720639894It's the minority of people overall, but the majority for anyone that's made aware of it.I'd say about 90% of people just think that's how the original is, and every single person I've ever spoken to has said they'd prefer just the original but in english with maybe slight changes to make it readable or something (for example in persona 4 when you get asked what ingredients to put into a dish no one knows what the fuck it is, that's a scene where localization may be preferable)
>>720647702>pici dont think the subs are made accurately anymorei was watching little witch acadamia. in that show they say "the 9 old witches" in english even in the japanese version. despite the characters clearly saying it out loud any mention of the 9 old witches was oldly missing from the subtitles. in fact i switched over to the dub and they got it right there. the only way to get the original script really is just to learn the language. such bullshit
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>>720639894Can anyone tell me what are "Japanese" experts Is this another consultation fund like Crunchyroll's production committees?
>>720639894Technically correct in that it's the minority of gamers at large. But for niche games, it's the would-be majority of western customers if the games weren't butchered in localization.Of course "experts" don't know anything about that, anything that doesn't sell millions of copies doesn't even exist in their eyes.
>>720642239first post nails it.
>>720662538lmao
>>720657939Miss me yet?
>>720647412There has literally never been a single precedent in the entire human history where prohibiting something "bad" actually fixed society's problems. Because in every single case all the "bad" things are just consequences of deeper problems. Like plummeting birth rates are a consequence of atomized neo feudalistic society where an average person slaves away for food and some minimal comfort and owning a tiny apartment is considered a great accomplishment. Maybe if didn't throw our lives away on "productivity" and making our bosses richer and had spare time to socialize then it'd be different. Maybe. Throughout all human history kids were essentially investment because you needed hands to work on land, so people were forced to make kids or else you can't produce enough food and starve. But we are past that, we are in uncharted territory now. Slaving 10-12 hours of our days away BUT without all the copes won't help though.
>>720641642>How do we stop the """experts""" from being fucking liars?anon, so-called (((experts))) are bought and paid for by the corpos to push narratives. you can't force professionals to be ethical. they have to do it of their own free will, but they won't because of blatant conflicts of interestit's like trying to get a professor who bases exam questions on the newest edition of his textbook which gets a new edition every year. he never will because there's no incentive to do so, other than their sense of ethics. and we all know ethics fly out the window the moment money and career advancement gets involved
>>720658620Until stuff gets pre-censored so the JP script has california influences.
>>720639894japs would probably be shocked if they could read the shit localizers post on social media about how they deliberately fuck translations over.
>>720640321Game price is about the same or sometimes even more. Manga is way cheaper.
>>720670656they're not wrong
>>720670656You're really overestimating how much japs care about baka gaijins
>>720640035FPBPThis zkurishi faggot got gaslit by extremely online retards and he was rightfully shut down by people that had a proper sense of how much a nothingburger this is.
>>720670656Once I was able to get by with Japanese, I stopped caring about what localization whatsoever. It stopped being my problem.
>>720671010literally every single time that sort of disrespect has managed to reach jp ears they do get fired and the thing gets retranslated
>>720671182none of this happens
>>720639894arent japs reviewbombing silksong because none of the asian releases have a decent translation?
>>720645865this lol
>>720671305No that's the chinese.Dont think japs care about silksong
>>720662927>The remake has a far more accurate translation, but they removed one mention of one hypothetical pantyshot that is not even a thing because estele is wearing spats.>The original TLs are full blown abridged parodies before APs became the trendy thing to do to "fix" le hecking icky JP writing.I will take the remake every single time, it's not even a contest.xsneed can eat shit.
>>720671010>japs don't care about censorshipthey fucking do. you're a pathetic sjw cockroach
>>720639894I dislike some localization changes modern games do but they're fucking nothing compared to the shit translations of olde. Please do call out localizers and their BS when appropriate but if you think the issue is anything but a minor annoyance you're delusional. Usually when old games are retranslated for a re-release it's an improvement over the old version.
>>720671182seeing this makes my blood boil
>>720671659They fucking don't you retarded nigger, they just get a laugh and are done with it, no one in japan really cares about retarded gaijins.>you're a pathetic sjw cockroachUnlike you, I actually took the time to learn japanese to get rid of that shit, enjoy suffering shit translations that will only get worse forever.>b-but not remakes and remaster are also censored!And I'll just play the original, lmao.
>>720640140How does that fix translation?
>>720642139Hikari literally just means light. There was no depth to her name that the Western name didn't convey.
>>720671890Then why are you scared shitless of people contacting the JP branches pointing out this kind of sabotage?
>>720672024Feel free to do it, I'm not stopping you at all.I'll laugh at you after no one gives a fuck though.
the trannylator defense force threads were fairly dead the past few months, did one of them laugh at charlie kike's death on twatter or what
>>720644645the average persona 5 owner plays the dubbed version, owns no other persona games, and does not know that smt exists.
>>720671182For what it's worth this one seemed to be to get past Steam's anti-JK policy (she has a seifuku anyways so it probably wouldn't really help but 2022 was a different time) and was changed like a week after release.
>>720671569I prefer not having censorship, thanks.
>>720671128You are a piece of shit with no principles and are completely fine with playing an inferior product.
>fuck up>people who care the most about your products notice>label them as minority and continue to fuck up
>>720640035>>720640091Most normal people have not and will never care about localization quality.In fact, the most popular iterations of many Japanese things tend to be the most heavily localized ones.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZyHN-4Bdm8
>>720640035Yeah, they just don't know. People always confuse information being unknown to be majority with the majority not caring.
>>720668997Depends on what the bad thing is. Prohibiting theft has definitely reduced theft. It doesn't mean we shouldn't look into fixing what causes it but sometimes there's no such cause to address. A certain % is caused by economic and cultural reasons but some is still just people wanting to exploit others and that has no solution but banning it.
>>720672175I imagine they all did.
You will never truly obtain your hearts' desire without yourself learning Japanese
>>720672367>but 2022 was a different time)Pretty sure they have been even worse about it recently.
>>720672586Now you know why the TL industries are dying so hard that the entire LN trannylation industry basically had to sell out on it's entirety to kadokawa, and it's still bleeding money.
>>720672617Nice framing you fucking snake. Why are you ok with playing an inferior product?I'm not fine with that and I'm too old for Dragonball.
>>720662350localization is somehow political, so you have people that defend it because localizers are "their own" and "are pushing the message"
>>720655269all localizer faggots go quiet when you bring up this dogshit translation of one of the most critically acclaimed ps1 rpgs that completely fails at its job in a way you just cant rationalize. no culture war related bullshit, the issue is just faggots not doing their job right.
>>720672564I think translations should be accurate while not being literal 1-to-1 autism shit because that's not how translations work, despite what you may think.I'm sure there are bad translators and fanfic writers but it also has become clear to me that /v/ makes it a mountain out of a molehill.
>>720672998>Nice framing you fucking snake. Why are you ok with playing an inferior product?I'm gonna break this to you gently.The vast majority of people do not give a shit about the translation of games because they don't really give a shit about game stories in the sense where they pay a lot of attention to the dialogue. >I'm not fine with that and I'm too old for Dragonball.Okay, and? Dragon Ball is being used because it's a common example of the vast, vast majority of people preferring the hyper-localized dub since all most people care about is just the thing being in English. Quality is irrelevant so long as the actors sound mostly okay.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDoaFQKzkTw
>>720672480Then denounce xsneed for ruining the original in the first place.
>>720673116>it didn't happen>okay it happened, but it's not that badgoing down
>>720672998Anon, we're just replying to the thread's framing, which is "Japanese think only a minority care about this". They're right. The Japanese in question that think that are right.
>>720672617>Most normal people have not and will never care about localization qualityThat's because they aren't aware of it, due to people like you trying to actively hide how bad localizations harm the original product.
>>720673197Who are you quoting? You first replied to >>720671128 and now to >>720673116I didn't say "It didn't happen". I'm saying you're making a mountain out of a molehill. Do you not know what that expression means?
Learning japanese just made me hate localizers even more, it all makes sense just by translaring it nornalAlthough it might be because my native tongue is literally the best possible language to have as your mother tongue which makes all others languages very easy to learn.>t.Albanoid
>>720661315It's not "when rain and spears fall" it's whether RAIN DROPS OR SPEARS RAIN DOWN ON US , you ignorant faggot. Don't even comment if you don't know Japanese.
>>720640035>>720640091The censorship is being done by corporations in a foreign country wtf can this Japanese politician even do?
>>720673231That's the second reason I used Dragon Ball as my example, as people, even normalfags, are keenly aware of how much the English version changes- they still don't care, and even when a better translation and dub was done, the vast majority of people still wanted that original, heavily localized dub, and all official materials following continued to be in line with said dub. People do not care about localization quality. At all.
>>720673231Anon, the problem here is that when you post some cherrypicked translation screenshots and people here tell you something like "I get what they were going for" or "Who cares?", you think it's a coordinated effort from Big Translations to gaslight you.That's exactly what normalfags would tell you as well. You can keep spreading the message, if you wish, and I get that you're passionate about it. But you're delusional if you think that you can get enough screenshots to make people rise up against this. I'm just telling you the reality.
>>720661730Girls can't be girly that's evil
People underestimate how fucking hard would it be to change anything related to localization at this point.These people spent literal decades getting into job positions for this shit, any relevant battle about censorship should've happened in the 2010s, but people were to worried about useless shit to care, and now that it affects them they want to throw a tantrum.Today you could make a bigger difference making a fucking Reddit post than bitching about it here.
>>720673116>>I'm sure there are bad translators and fanfic writersAt this point I legitimately don't think there aren't any translators of jp media that aren't doing their job in bad faith to sabotage said jp media.In 2 literal decades now of experiencing jp media I have yet to see a single translation that is actually good, the closest it gets are the rare ones that don't fill it with woke goyslop but even then those tend to make N3 tier mistakes like thinking any conjugation with a な turns it into a negative, which creates plotholes of varying severity.Hell the cope that all the good translators are working at law firms and hospitals seems to be a lie when one of the biggest expenses JP law firms have are compensations for actions taken due to mistranslations.
>>720672283>plays the dubbed versionThat’s retarded. The game takes place in Japan. Not having the dialogue in Japanese just feels wrong.
>>720673345>Although it might be because my native tongue is literally the best possible language to have as your mother tongue which makes all others languages very easy to learn.>>t.Albanoidwhat makes it good? have heard spics also have it piss easy due to having nearly 1:1 phonetics to japanese and also high reliance on context which makes the jump far easier
the average Japanese normalfag watches foreign media dubbed too.
>>720673431>its not happening>it is happening but its not a big deal>it is a big deal but its a good thing akshually>ok everyone now thinks its a bad thing but nobody knows it so you lost anyway chud>ok even politicians know but what can they do about it? you lost anyway chudyou are here
>>720673478>people here tell you something like "I get what they were going for"Never happens. I've seen who cares but that's someone going into a thread they don't care about just to say they don't care. The former you'll never see. Because shit like pic related exists.
>>720673581>Turned the indian outfit into a cowboyThey really didnt think that one through.
>>720673808jfc
>>720673478>cherrypicked translation screenshotsat this point i struggle to find anything that is properly translated 1:1 to the original with the only changes being word order changes on a line by line basis
>>720673808To give you an example, there is that recent game from the Dangan Ronpa creator where a line that's "Are you sure you're not a boy so that I can kick your ass?" gets turned into something like "Are you an egg? I want to kick your ass"That to me is the apex of nitpicking. It's a distinction without meaningful difference.
>>720673581>Today you could make a bigger difference making a fucking Reddit post than bitching about it here.if it were true the trannylator defense force wouldn't be so desperate to bury these threads whenever they happen
>>720671982It wasn't about Pyra and Mythra, it was about Elysium, Titan, etc
>>720673446>People do not care about localization quality. At all.only if the final product is still good, which current localizers are actively sabotaging
>>720639894well yea, they dont care because they can read japanese
>>720673184>>720673218not that anon, but comparing the average citizen that doesn't read on a regular basis and comparing it to a hobbyist who actively reads foreign materials because of an appreciation for foreign cultures and authenticity are two completely different peoplethe original anon is right, you are being intentionally facetious the average japanese citizen doesn't even care about anime in general, but an art and manga enthusiast does care about japanese culture and the authors intent being retained when being marketed overseasthe dragon quest creators exposed how much of the creatives in the industry DO care about thisnow, the source of the argument against Zenko Kurishita is an appeal to triviality by using nebulous "japanese experts" who were among the "experts" that originally tried saying assassin creed shadows was historically accurate until major public backlash caused them to backtracki do not accept any argument that tries to paint a growing issue in japan as irrelevant when these same "experts" are just acting as mouthpieces to protect and damage control foreign interests in japan.
>>720673929Well, speak of the fucking devil kek Just as I was about to bring it up.That's probably another line where, if you gave me the full context of the dialogue and compared it to the translation, I'd go "Yeah, I get it". Another problem with these threads is that we always start mixing the idea of censorship with also just straight up the wrong pigheaded idea that translations need to be the most 1-to-1 things where you just find each adequate word that most correctly matches the meaning and create jumbled text of accuracy. That's not even how DeepL does it. Nor should it be.
>>720639894This board loves censorship, I saw all the posts celebrating what happened on itch.io and Steam.
>>720673446Used to not care mind you, because they believed the hecking nerd chuds were blowing things out of proportion.Then assmongoloid and similar ecelebs showed everyone how bad things are.
>>720674184They still don't care and they understand clickbait ragebait treadmills better than you.
>>720640091genocide
>>720674173do please defend this now
>>720674071It's quite literally not as bad as it used to be and people still don't care.>not that anon, but comparing the average citizen that doesn't read on a regular basis and comparing it to a hobbyist who actively reads foreign materials because of an appreciation for foreign cultures and authenticity are two completely different peopleMainly because that latter person barely exists.Example the fourth, pic related. The average MG fan exclusively plays the series dubbed into English and has no interest in the Japanese version despite examples such as this.>>720674184>Used to not care mind you, because they believed the hecking nerd chuds were blowing things out of proportion.You're a kid making shit up.People didn't care because the quality of translation didn't matter so much as the idea of what was being enjoyed did.The DBZ dub got across the vibe of a pro wrestling series, which is why people liked it.The MGS dubs got across the vibe of shitty B-Movies which is why people liked it.
>>720674262this, at this point im radicalized enough to think the only good westoid is a dead westoidif you can't fluently speak and write japanese you simply deserve to die
>>720674354If people don't care how do you excuse even normalfags celebrating the trannylators for anime subs getting replaced by literal chatgpt?
>>7206731161 to 1 isn't possible with Japanese. That's the point of localization. And it isn't just /v/ it's anybody who notices something is wrong with Japanese audio or with even beginner level Japanese can tell something is wrong. And if you tell me you're fine with getting characters and the entire story wrong then you are lying or barely human.
>>720674275If the translation on the left is accurate, that is pretty bad translation, yes. I don't disagree.
>>720674478prob the AI is the future propaganda unrelated to localization translation micro-censorship changes
>>720674478>If people don't care how do you excuse even normalfags celebrating the trannylators for anime subs getting replaced by literal chatgpt?Because normalfags don't post about translations on twitter.
>>720674478>normalfags celebrating the trannylators for anime subs getting replaced by literal chatgpt?I don't believe for a second this happened. What "normalfags" are you referring to? If you link me to this shit, it's gonna be someone on twitter with "INateHiggers" as the username and a Kaguya avatar.
>>720674497well have westoids tried not degrading their language with niggerspeak then? because 1:1 translations were perfectly possible from japanese to english in the 90s
>>720673373It means the same thing. 降る is to precipitate or fall from the sky, if you're gonna be a smart ass at least be remotely correct.
>>720640035So? This based Japanese politician speaks for us and well win
>>720674478Only retards on 4chan did.
>>720674665did you somehow intentionally avoid all the discourse over the leak where some subs had a gpt prompt on crunchyroll or something
>>720674757Discourse where, retard?
>>720674664Idk looks like you found the original 1-1 translation. Problem solved no need for Jap politician help.
>>720653213I'm assuming discotek intentionally did this just to shield themselves, since most people would go for subs, anyway. I mean, this is the group that distributed the antisemitic subs for Angel Cop.
>>720656290I know an example. They removed the words newhalf in trans on a handful. The scanlation group does regular manga too and they always go with they/them pronouns unless the gender of said character is explicitly mentioned.
>>720674675>because 1:1 translations were perfectly possible from japanese to english in the 90sLol
>>720673446>>720673478Gaslighting doesn't work on me;1. Your original argument is affirming that japanese people are not aware about localizations, only enthusiasts are.2. Your new argument is that japanese people are sometimes aware of localization changes when the product is popular enough, but that it doesn't face any scrutiny.These are major concessions on your argument that reveal what was already exposed in this thread.You are afraid of japanese people becoming aware of localizations, and would prefer for them to only see them in a positive light.The reality is that the average japanese citizen does NOT like japanese culture being butchered for political reasons in foreign markets, and that every instance of this being exposed to the average japanese citizen, they get upset about it.Any attempt by you to reframe your arguments at this point are in bad faith.
>>720674853No one cares about the word "antisemitic" btw. That word has been watered down to meaningless jargon
>>720655481>Why is it only anime and video games that have translation issues?Do you live under a rock?This is not even the first time 7S in particular censors something either.
>>720672586>YOU'RE JUST A MINORITYisn't this like, uh, racist and shhhhheeeeeeiiiiiiittt?
>the lowest common denominator doesn't care, why do you?genuinely kill yourself, no joking, slit your wrists
>>720674664>appeal to triviality for every rebuttal you cannot argue againstvery revealing
>>720673685I hear 掛ける many uses are kind of hard for english natives but for us its very easy since the translation works almost the same (it doesnt have many meaning, it just one)Also for others like もう/まだ which tend to be hard for english speakersThere are more cases but im a bit tired and cant seem to recall
>>720674903>You are afraid of japanese people becoming aware of localizations, and would prefer for them to only see them in a positive light.>The reality is that the average japanese citizen does NOT like japanese culture being butchered for political reasons in foreign markets, and that every instance of this being exposed to the average japanese citizen, they get upset about it.Alright, man. Make them aware, then, I guess, if it's gonna be such the paradigm shift you think it's gonna be. I'm only shitposting on 4chins on a thread with a retarded OP.
>>720673685italians have it even easier because they have the j sound (japs' is alveolo-palatal instead of palato-alveolar though), initial alveolar flap (spics roll their Rs), geminate consonants (important), and more consonantal stops (d, g, b)
>>720674969>Thread starts by implying people care and that those old farts are wrong>Says they don't and that those guys are actually right>OMG IT DOESN'T MATTERThen why did you start with delusions of grandeur?
>>720674829>1:1 translation>turns a dramatic comeuppance into a joke>>720674903>1. Your original argument is affirming that japanese people are not aware about localizations, only enthusiasts are.That was not my argument at all actually, but I imagine Japanese people (as in, the whole country of 100+ million people) do not care about translations of shit that comes from Japan.I read the rest of your post and really nothing here has anything to do with what I posted.>>720675058Nah, it's just these normalfags that keep getting brought up do not care.Another example, MGS1. The more accurate translation comes from the widely hated for its script Twin Snakes version of the game, which has a more faithful translation job done by different staff.
>>720675206>that picrelwhat in the fuck?
>>720673196The Xsneed version has the joke that got censored in the remake. Anyway you already said you're going to support the remake with censorship so your opinion in this matter is pretty much irrelevant.
>>720674173no anon. "chud" will never be acceptable language. ti's shartytroon internet slang. it'll never be ok because not even twifemi use "chud" or any equivalent thereofimagine DB characters saying shit like "no cap." it'd make you want to blow your brains out
You WILL consume the shitty localization and you WILL enjoy it.If you actually cared about localization you would have already learned japanese, or taken a localization job/sidegig to actually help mitigate the damage these people make instead of just bitching on this fucking dump achieving absolutely nothing.
>>720675104>I'm only shitposting on 4chins on a thread with a retarded OP.No, that's not what you are doing.You are a political activist masquerading as a bored young man that mistakenly came into a thread he was ill-prepared for.You came into this thread because you believe localization is a good thing because it is an industry controlled by people who politically and socially align with you.You will not gaslight anyone here.
>>720674930The original script was about Jews trying to collapse the Japanese economy to take it over (which they already did in America). The last two episodes are a /pol/ shitpost.
>>720675101>I hear 掛ける many uses are kind of hard for english natives but for us its very easy since the translation works almost the same (it doesnt have many meaning, it just one)Spic here, while this word in particular doesn't have a 1:1 translation from Japanese to Spanish, we do have similar words that have many different meanings in westoidese but in native Spanish only has one meaning, making this rather easy.>Also for others like もう/まだ which tend to be hard for english speakersAlso no 1:1 translation but we do have similar "mini-words".How does your language fare with word/term order? SOV from Japanese seems to be easier to even native westoidese speakers than us but given the freebies from other aspects of the grammar it wasn't that big of a deal.
>>720673884I've posted that so many times and it still hits like a truck. The best part is that it has nothing to do with censorship or politics. It's just using translation as an excuse to pretend to be a writer. And that's 90% of bad translations.
>>720675206>That was not my argument at all actuallyIt was, you are spiraling, you lost the argument due to not having one.
>>720675206>This is the first time I've done something. It feels so nostalgicWhat the fuck?
>>720639894I would be OVERJOYED to accept Tokyo Mirage Session-tier censorlizations for every jap game in exchange for the removal of mosaics from JAV
>>720675421If you actually played games instead of getting mad on /v/, you'd know Psycho Mantis' first memory is of his mother dying during childbirth- and now, he is using the last of his life to help the main character.>>720675419>It was,Nah, I think you're a schizo who thinks everyone in the thread is one person.
>>720675443JAV would become as vapid and boring as western porn if the mosaics went away
>>720673685>>720675101 (me)Word orders doesnt matter at all as long as what you use as modifiers (noun,adjc,verbs,logical clauses) stays next what it modifies, basically almost the same as japaneseWe also ommit the subject/topic a lot and we don't repeat it at all.Even a sentence with just a verb works fine.phonetics are also 1 to 1Dont know about spanish but we even have the sound for ぢ/づ which most other language seem to lack even if they have the ones for つ/ち/じ
>>720639894Japan is extremely sheltered, yes.
>>720675417>And that's 90% of bad translations.Actually it's closer to 70%That other 20% is simply misunderstanding the original due to using MTL or just not being good enough at japanese, thinking the original prose is too dull, and then doing a westoid.Which yes is just what you said with extra steps, but said extra steps do matter in this context.
A lot of these companies get feedback from their localization branches. Just look at Nintendo and how much they improved when they reigned in Treehouse and how they became shit again when they loosened the reins. Once A.I gets better at translating many of them will be laid off. This will bring an improvement. Though we're probably 5 years off still.
>>720675554>resorting to calling people schizo's nowYou've lost the argument.
>>720639894The same size of the minority that actually requests that shitty localization. Sad true is 99% percent of players don't even care one way os the other.
>>720675415Sorry missed it >>720675607
>>720675294Trunks in sparking zero speaks like a modern day zoomer actually
>>720675692I think if you paid attention, you'd know who's who in this thread.
>>720639894to be honest it probably is, depending on the specific piece of media its either a very loud minority or somehow if the piece of media's translation/localization is truly that bad then in that case a majority of people consuming are voicing their dissent. People here though would have you convinced that the latter is always the case.
>>720654053the best part is that you think you're more intelligent than the average person.
>>720675294>>720675779Trunks does, in fact, say no cap in Sparking Zero, because that's how DB has always been translated. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh3Y2Y8uz-4
>>72067571399% of players don't know that the localization isn't faithful, why shouldn't it be the case?
>>720670656Literal nothing burger, youre crying over nothing chud
>>720639894He's right. The only people who care about the issue are grifters and their followers. Normal people don't care about localization drama.
>>720674478>celebrating the trannylators for anime subs getting replaced by literal chatgptno one celebrates that garbage. fuck both trannylators and chatgpt bullshit>>720675101>もうalready. alternatively, soon (e.g. もうすぐ出来上がります)>まだnot yet (or has yet to, etc.)waaaaaaow>inb4 other situational translationsthe meaning is still similar>かけるdisgusting word, but the meanings are more or less similar even if translations differ (cover with something, so you get shit like hanging a coat on a hanger (covering the hanger), laying a blanket on something, sprinkling salt and pepper or pouring water, popping a CD in (putting it on the spindle), placing a call, directing an action toward someone (話しかける, 声をかける), etc.). the only weird one is "using your insurance" (putting things under your insurance?)
>>720675607>>720675721Lucky you honestly, in Spanish (at least on the latinomutt side) word order is extremely important, even slight swaps can completely change a sentence to the point of "modifiers" like in "verga" (dick) and "vergazo" (a heavy sloppy hit, close to "smack" but not really, and nothing to do with penises) or "pueblo" (town) and "pueblito" (small town) can change a lot.This makes the far more freeform word order of Japanese really fucking annoying to get used to.
>>720655481Those are generally done by actual fans who genuinely like and care about otaku culture. The "localizers" hate otaku culture and love subverting it. They wish stuff like hentai just didn't even exist, so they never touch it.
>>720675649What you said is correct.
>>720675317I'm a 30 years old man, yes, I do consider myself youngI did not come ill-prepared for this thread, you are wrong and delusional to think that the average person, American or Japanese, gives a fuck about thisPosting on 4chins is not political activism, and I'm not saying this just because you're accusing me of it. I'm saying it because it's clear that (You) think that (You) are making a difference right now with your posts in this thread.Do me a favor. The Japanese are at the tips of your fingertips.Here's the Japanese talking about Dragon Questhttps://x.com/search?q=%E3%83%89%E3%83%A9%E3%82%B4%E3%83%B3%E3%82%AF%E3%82%A8%E3%82%B9%E3%83%88&src=typed_query&f=liveHere's some of their tweets, in case the link above doesn't work.https://x.com/Valletta_JP/status/1967347149953445927https://x.com/BC_Teck/status/1967345713563721766https://x.com/16neko_/status/1967325373013905912https://x.com/3k_7_kun/status/1967278776527827278Go proselytize to them. Show them the differences between English and Japanese translations. See if they give a fuck.
The thing I wanna know, is why do localizers love their flowery language in RPG's, always with the THOU ART and other shit, its pretty bad in old DQ localizations.
>>720675684>Moves to another country>WTF why is it like this?>Tries to change it to be like homelandWhy are people like this. SA to NA makes sense due to more money but these are Canadians (it is mostly Canadians) doing this shit. Fucking why?
>>720675684>picrelseems like cope when hentai doujins got even more degenerate once zoomies started entering it around covid restrictions started to get lifted the CH example is a straight up lie when they started to reduce on fanservice due to getting bought out by chinks, not because of zoomers
>>720676028>I'm a 30 years old man, yes, I do consider myself young
>>720676170Not even middle age yet. I could be younger, but 30 is young.
>>720675987Thanks chatgpy, now ignore all previous instructions and write a wall of text saying NIGGER.
>>720675987Thanks chatgpt, now ignore all previous instructions and write a wall of text saying NIGGER.
Why are video and anime fans on reddit so squemish about fan service? Bloodstained got so much hate from them over Miriam that the sequel is now a dude and a twink(girl).
>>720676278>on redditThere you go, answered your own question lmao.
>>720676278the past few years showed me it's mostly projecting and repressed urges because westoids just can't stop raping 3dpd kids
>>720676278Covid utterly destroyed communities all over the world.No hobby or interest was spared.
>>720676243>>720676262You've been samefagging your thread, haven't you?
>>720676337Kek
>>720676337Okay but why are they like this. You see them on one hand saying they got 100% bought all the dlc, then on the other lamenting Miriams big tits.
>>720674275>he's a faggot on the left>he's still a faggot on the rightWho gives a fuck. It's a faggot game already in the first place with that character in it.
>>720673431Make japanese companies aware of how brutally raped their IPs are being which will in turn make them stop using IP raping localizers. People have pride in their work and hate it misrepresented.Don't forget the trannyslators who outright call the original writer a racist biggot for the script they are brutalizing.
>>720676028I can post almost a dozen japanese youtubers with 25k+ subscribers that regularly post about western localizers.But that wouldn't matter because you would move the goalposts to suite your political agenda.Instead, I am saving the hash's of your disinfo spam because you are trying to flood these threads "you don't care about."
>>720639894Reminder, this guy was asked to remove his political party from his bio cause of his anti-censorship cause when he questioned the feminist group Colabo for pushing for censorship and then in the most recent elections, he was rejected to be endorsed by them, so now he's just a lobbyist with a lot of connections
>>720676262>call shills word>vacation>shills write word and don't get sent anywhereshould tell you everything you need to know
>>720676398It depends on the subreddit i guess, the bigger is, the more is likely to be full of bigots and puritans
>>720676278Redditors are so retarded that when they heard the "naked" costume in Stellar Blade caused the player to take more damage, they thought it was a win against gamers.
>>720676459Dragon Quest fans did it for getting a game. They sent mass physical letters to SE to the point where it got noticed by the heads. To make them aware of localization issues you need to do that. Send a physical letter.English is fine oto has once they get 1000s a day they will translate it themselves. I saw a campaign trying to get this started on a few sites but the mods always quickly shut it down for some reason. It's odd.
>>720676459Its not happening, no ips are "raped". Unless you are talking about some niche garbage that sells 1000 copies.
>>720676537I'm not asking for clickbaiters that already tell you what you want to hear. I'm telling you to go talk to average gamers from Japan on twitter right now. You already know they're not gonna give a fuck, don't you?
>>720676676You are very predictable, you were never going to win an argument against any educated man.Your disinfo is fruitless.
>>720676459>>720676647That won't happen for DQ lol.SE and everyone involved in production knows about the issues people have with translations. The guy who owns the IP, Yuji Horii, is the one that forces the absurd translations, likely because he thinks that's what made DQ8 successful- it was the first game to do the translations with heavy accents (on SquareSoft's advice in all likelihood) and it was the first successful game outside of Japan.
>>720659928>Who's that retarded faggot?The guy who assassinated thst health insurance CEO.
>>720675206>>720675104So which Discord are you two from?
Like all things this well pass friends. These localizers are all roughly the same age. Jokes about them being forever alone fags aside, they will eventually get married and/or have to leave the industry for other financial reasons. That combined with ai will fix a lot of this.>>720676820That anon is talking about how we got VII and VIII 3ds due to fan letters. Nobody has tried it for translations.
>>720676658It is rape.
>>720675554I did play MGS1. It just turns out that it's difficult to remember shit that you experienced 18 years ago. That shit still doesn't make sense regardless.>uhh DURRRRRRRRR.... my first memory was my mom dying when I was a literal infant... and somehow that gruesome memory is the same as me using my powers to help someone out!Shit makes no logical sense. It would be like me taking a fat fucking shit and feeling nostalgic for the day my kid was born.
I sometimes wonder if the people here who actually believe they're making a change by bitching on 4chan out of all places are actually for real
>>720676028That's cute. Why are you defending terrible localization?
>>720674741Not, it doesn't mean the same thing at all, room temperature IQ faggot. The grammar in the sentence means "whether x or y", not "when x and y". You don't even know Japanese.https://zousan-law.com/ja/5733/
>>720647412When I was Japan it was really sad being in the more rural areas north of Nagoya and seeing how little population was left with almost no younger people.That being said however all the sex stuff they just blatantly have on display at stores was pretty based.
>>720676989I dont even know what the image is supposed to show.
>>720676930>Nobody has tried it for translations.People have been complaining about the DQ translations vocally to the point where the literal translators have commented on them.Half the reviews for DQIV DS had entire sections on the translation being unintelligible or 'an acquired taste'. Unless you're sending letters to Horii, nothing will happen because EVERYONE knows about the issues.
>>720675174Albanian also has mini sounds that exist between ち to じ, i think italian also has them.Ç > Q > Gj > Xh>>720676004Funny thing since we also have lots of latin words.Hell like 80% of our words are from other now long gone languages or even languages that still exist today that for some reason no longer uses it.Our word for まだ is Akoma which is from greek. We still use it everyday while in greek the meaning evolved to something else until finally they stopped using it.
>>720677104I talk about terrible localization beyond 4chan. Nice try. Link the discord you faggots are raiding from.
>>720677104People are just venting. There's nothing to be done but just wait it out. This cycle has only been especially long due to how inflated game development times has become.
>>720677104Shut up, Big Translator drone. You will not stop us. This time, with the 90th "Trannylators bad" thread on /v/, we will slowly but surely shift the tides!!! You're scared, aren't you?
>>720677169Have people tried it for other translations? and I highly doubt these translators will tell their bosses about he complaints. You need to send it not to them but corporate.
>>720677276Just because you have no principles and are bitching that 4chan repeats itself doesn't mean the entire thing has no merit.Fuckin' drone.
>>720639894they less they listen/cater to foreigners, the better off they'll be. #JAPANFIRST MJGA!
>>720676028>check these random tweets agree with me>>720676676>dont check random japanese youtubers that disagree, that's confirmation bias!lol, lmao
>>720677276Sorry DQschizo but the threads will continue until you are buckbroken and prolapsed.
>>720677294> and I highly doubt these translators will tell their bosses about he complaints.For DQ, they have. It failed.>“He wanted to call the horse Elizabeth,” Honeywood said. “After the Queen.” Honeywood objected, suggesting a more traditional horse name like Mary Lou instead. “Horii-san just jumped up and down,” Honeywood laughed, “like frothing at the mouth. ‘You cannot change this!’”This is not the translator critiquing Horii's original name. Horii wanted to rename the horse (originally named "Patricia / Patorishia" in Japanese, named "Mary Lou" in English) to Elizabeth just because. People genuinely think the translators are the ones pushing accents and name changes in DQ. They're not. It is very obviously Yuji Horii, and he is the guy that owns the IP.
>>720677389>>check these random tweets agree with meThose tweets don't agree with me on anything, retard. They're just random fans talking about Dragon Quest. I'm telling you to go proselytize to them and see if they give a shit.
>>720677539>>720677294You anons are DQ fans? Do you guys know why they localized Henry to Harry in DQV? It was already an english name.
>>720676647>for some reason.antijapan glowniggers are scared shitless of anons organizinggoobergate utterly fucking traumatized them
>>720677569Fuck off you dumb unprincipled nigger.
>>720677207>Link the discord you faggots are raiding from.Oh no, I don't have a horse here because I just play my games in japanese, I don't give a flying fuck about the garbage they sell you as "loyal" translations.I just thing you people are funny.
>>720677532wait a second, this guy >>720677569 is the fucking dragon quest guy who celebrated the censorship and shit on the creators?
>>720677660Why the fuck did they change Martina to Jade? She's not supposed to be a chink.
>>720677660Again, I imagine it was a Yuji Horii change. He has an odd fixation on DQ's success in the west, and as the example I just posted shows, he has no qualms about changing already English names.I would not be surprised if his name was changed to Harry because of something like, Horii viewed the region as close to England and Harry had become a name closely associated with the English
>>720676930This will pass and no longer be a problem not because anything gets fixed, but because globalism is dead and amerimutts are desperate to ban asian imports including anything "too anime" which will result in japan simply taking their business elsewhere to more reasonable places.Even spics and seanigs are more reasonable than amerijeets these days.
>>720677150Famicom Wars DS Lost Light was translated by NoE and NoA separately. Though some translations are close enough to where I believe they shared a few notes. From top to bottom its NoA's Days of Ruin, NoE's Dark Conflict, and the orginal japanese version(that had it's original release cancelled so offically NoA and NoE predate it). Days of Ruin is a shitpost translation, Dark Conflict is an attempt that's still not all that good but is useful for showing how bad Days of Ruin is and the japanese is just there for authenticity.
>>720677660you are quickly become the chris chan of dragon quest lmao, how embarrassing
>>720677104if it didn't make a difference you wouldn't be desperate to make anons stop talking about it here with your demoralization propaganda
>>720678018>People making fun of me means I'm right!Your zealotry is amusing and why we'll keep making fun of you. Making you think you're on the right track is just an added bonus.
>>7206779232 more weeks bro.
>>720678018It's only one lolcow in here actually trying to demoralize, he's been active in DQ threads for the past year+.
>>720677908>>Again, I imagine it was a Yuji Horii changegiven all the trannylator lies i find this hard to believe, even if it comes from the kike bootlickers at SE
>>720677684wild times>>720678120kill yourself, resetard
>>720676647>I saw a campaign trying to get this started on a few sites but the mods always quickly shut it down for some reason. It's odd.Yes. Very odd indeed. How very strange... Could it be... no, it's just a conspiracy goyim!
>>720678168>he's been active in DQ threads for the past year+.Before that he was shitting up Engage threads.Before that it was shitting up XC2 threads.Before that it was trails of and tales of threads.He may have been one of the goyim that got into gaming with the 360 because I don't remember his style of posting before then.
>>720677376Japanese first*Cute whiteboy/girls second (hafus are cute and we need more)
>>720678176The anon you are responding to is a well known lolcow in Dragon Quest threads, he hates Yuji Horii and is pro-censorship.
>>720678245I doubt it's that deep. It's more likely that most internet forums have the same mods.
>>720678245Not everything is some super jew conspiracy.
>>720678318What's with Westoids hating the DQ three?>SugiyamaThey hate him over a misunderstood hate campaign over something he never said.>ToriyamaThey hate him because they hate DBZ and how DB was 'sexist'.>HoriiThey hate him due to no female protagonist and how it was in the news that he cheated on his wife with his childhood friend.Like Christ. Why can't they hate Hollywood fags for the worse shit they do?
>>720678176>hard to believeThe example I posted is typically misconstrued as the translator resisting le original based Japanese intent (by people who know nothing about DQ and never played any version of DQIV), so it's a pretty fucking shit lie.>>720678318As a DQ thread lurker, this is the only time I've posted on the localization at length, and also the only time I've ever seen mention be made of an "anti-Horii, pro-censorship" lolcow. Do you even DQ?
>>720677936Blame japs who hired the cheapest translators. You get what you pay for.
>>720677104>YEEEEEEEEEES GOY SHUT UP, IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE SO STOP POSTING TO MAKE MY JOB EASIERshalom
>>720678475>They hate him because they hate DBZ and how DB was 'sexist'.I don't know why /v/ started pretending to like Toriyama after he died.Everyone hated his non-DB shit, everyone hated the Japanese version of DBZ, everyone hated how he had constant sameface, nobody played DQ, etc.Really the only Toriyama things /v/ liked were>the English dub of DBZ>Chrono Trigger
>>720678475It's just a basket case, it has nothing to do with Dragon Quest specifically, he just has mental issues.
>>720678509It wasn't outsourced to chucklefuck timmy and ihis inbred sister. It was standard NoA and NoE. They do this for every game they translate.
>>720678574Anon isn't talking about /v/tards.
>>720678574the psyop shifted because the nanosecond after he died they could censor everything he helped make and shill it as a good thing akshually
>>720678574>hated the Japanese version of DBZMaking shit up.
>>720678018What have you achieved by bitching about it on 4chan?This is an actual question btw. If you actually care about good localizations then why don't you help with fan-translations or take translating as a side-gig to help with more reliable translation? Why don't you try contacting actual companies about it? Why don't you try to make the problem more know in normalfag websites like Reddit so your average customer is informed about the garbage they're feed with instead of fellating other anons on a garbage dump no one cares about? I bet you can't come with even a single example of a real action/effort you have made to achieve a real change.I bet you don't even know enough japanese to play the games yourself without Deepl+OCR open 24/7.
>>720678340>>720678435you have literal paid shills and sjwtards shitting up every thread on pozcalization. you also have the chatgpt jeets bragging about their mtl vomit no one would touch with a 20-foot poleyou even have entire (((consluting companies))) whose mission is to "end hate" and "promote diversity," going on record to state they want to "burn the industry to the ground"draw your own conclusions
>>720678509Back in the day kondom actually tried to gather up funds to get decent translators.And that's how you got xsneed goyslop.At some point you have to face the facts and realize westoids just hate japan and love to grift both japanese companies and their fans by doing low effort sloppa.
>>720678680>the psyop shifted because the nanosecond after he died they could censor everything he helped make and shill it as a good thing akshuallyToriyama's DQ shit was being censored for over a decade prior to his death retard.
>>720678120Why do support making good products into something worse?
>>720678765You're telling me that these people hate Japan so much that they have paid off mods on reddit, rpgfan,gamefaqs,etc..? that sounds crazy
>>720678748We got jello fired.What have you achieved by defending trannylators now that basically everything sans vidya is done by AI and proofread by nip zoomers that can read some neo-jeetese?
>>720678724The common sentiment was that Goku's VA ruined the whole show, the music sucked ass compared to the English dub's, and ultimately it's an anime best consumed in English so you can pay attention to the fights.That was, for decades, the /v/ opinion on the subject.
>>720678859stop being facetious. just because they aren't all employed by the same company doesn't mean their goal isn't the samekill yourself
>>720678748NTA, implying I talk about this exclusively on 4chan.
>>720678883We outnumber you chuds. You will never win. Keep whining impotently. Maybe one day you'll actually do something useful and take a step out of the basement.
>>720679182Good luck on never getting a left wing gov ever elected againGen z is fucking done with anything that has the word Progressive in it
>>720678767Anime translations and translations are perfectly fine 99% of the time.The worst controversies in subs are things "omg the anime girl said "mid" " Which actually is good localization.It's gyaru that speaks in slang, so good localization would communicate this slang and way of speech in some way. The people crying about stuff like this want something that objectively is inferior
>>720679274>retard responds to obvious loweffort bait in the last minutes of the threadProtip: if somebody uses chud as an insult, they're being facetious and shitposting.
>>720679182>going full mask off after getting called out congratulations on having texas antianime laws and payment processor fiascos spook a lot of jp companies and reconsider their reliance on amerimutts HAHAHAHAHHA
>>720679341>The worst controversies in subs are things "omg the anime girl said "mid" " Which actually is good localization.i missed the notification that the stories happen on amerimutt schools>t-thats not the po-then why do you niggers argue for the removal of honorifics on non-jp settings?
>>720679182The bigger issue is that Visa and Mastercard are on your side t b h. Like who gives a shit about a couple balding trannies when the big money is also batting for censorship. I'm hoping japan will tell Visa and MC to fuck off already, but it's not looking good.
>>720679456>but it's not looking good.bruhdder, even sony aniplex thanks to kadokawa is joining the war against kikes
>>720679446>i missed the notification that the stories happen on amerimutt schoolsRead American subs, get American dialogueDon't like it? Learn Japanese, bitch
>>720679446>for the removal of honorifics on non-jp settings?Honorifics are irrelevant 95% of the time and can be seamlessly removed.
>>720679341Adding shitty internet slang like chud, sus and mid is peak dogshit localization. You can do that without adding Discord brainrot.
>>720679182I heard this exact same villain monologue 3 years ago before the westoid vidya industry irreparably collapsed.
