>potential first contact in the next few months>star citizen still in betakek the memes are real
>>720823092what are we talking about fellas
I don't need to know what this is about. It's a nothingburger. OP is a faggot.
>>720823092Hey OP look at this real quick
>>720823092Huh?
>>720823442i dont feel so good after seeing this imagesomething primal
Yeah, first contact with a planet killing weapon.
>>720823175>>720823442It's a starbutGREEN
QRD ??
>>720823092>First contactQuickly, the aliens are coming to earth. Which kino do you recommend they should watch?For me, it's Mars Attacks.
>>720823651Major Payne
>>720823542Idgi either
Reminder: nothing ever happens
>>720823840op isnt saying shit so it's probably nothing
>>720823175Dipshits who stare at dots in the sky for a living spotted another dot in the sky that they weren't previously aware of and start LARPING about what they think it could mean. Many such cases.Defund NASA.
I hope our first contact ends up like blindsight and we all get turbomindraped by scramblers
dark forest theory
You have one game you get to show the aliens. Which one do you choose?
>>720823542Some comet has been on it's way here for a few months now, but it might be an alien probe due to it's directed contrail and that it's moving "on level" with the Earth's orbit around the sun. This never happens except for all those times it has happened, but this time it's different for sure
>>720824149Doom: it's fun and so they know we mean business.
>>720824154Name all the times it happened.
>>720824149
IF THE ALIEN DOESNT HAVE TITS I D NT GIVE A FUCK
>>720823651Gay niggers from outer space
>>720824149Stellaris so I can show all of my genocidal human empires and they gtfo
>>720824301what if they have something better than tits?
>>720824149That fow mass effect parody game I’m going blank on the name of
>>720824478....you have my attention
>>720823092it's a nothingburger comet (as always)star citizen is a shit project from a moron
>>720823092It's Jesus. The signs are literally everywhere. He's on his way. Better repent while you still can.
>>720823651Mork and Mindy
>>720824154Dont forget to mention it also changed shape and color! It's da real aliens bro.
Realistically, if aliens do come to Earth, what will they think of gamers?
>>720824096Would you attack or go towards the guy that screams like a retard in an otherwise dark room?
>>720824096Good book
>>720824712They're just here for the LAN party
>>720824712They’d probably understand the concept of recreation but they’d be incredibly primitive to them Like that wooden ball and cup game
>>720824037It would be interesting to see real world reaction of probe event in Blindsight.
>>720823963but those smarty pants people must know that light is probably EONS old, those people who probably sent it are dead as fuck by now
>>720824096...is for morons. It's the space equivalent of that dumbfuck AI theory, the dragon one or whatever.
>>720824283There's thousands of them and they're organized retardedly. However, I have learned that the swastika may have originated from a 4 tailed comet seen in the sky 4000~ years ago which may be how it become a popular symbol
>>720824712Either their mindset will be so alien that it's impossible to tell how they'd react, or they'd view it as a leisure activity and judge you by how much it consumes your life.
>>720824863governments would freak out and try to track down the ayyylmaos, civilians would also freak out for a bit but then go back to their jobs and lives and maybe just not give a shit lol
I say there's a pretty high chance we're one of if not the most advanced life forms out their. Otherwise we would have already been found and enslaved/destoyed
>>720823092>he believes in aliens
>>720824921this dude is an alienreport him to the BADhttps://youtu.be/qzWga6OtFnI
>>720825403>be being on a planet>"lol there is no way there are beings on a planet in the universe somewhere"
>>720823092bro thinks anything will ever cross between solar systems, let alone galaxiesyou might as well use that time and effort to move up a dimension
>check /x/>can't find anyone talking about thisit's real
>>720825658They're demons you stupid FUCK. Bible is reality.
>>720823963Your myopic and reductionist opinion is thoroughly uninteresting. I hope no one engages with it in earnest
>>720825741which of the dozens of translations specifically?old testament or new one?
came to earth in a silver chrome ufo
>>720823092I like it how they said it was "potentially hostile"It's a fucking dot of light in the sky.
>>720823963BABABABASED
Why would a spacefaring civilization be hostile? If they have reached a point where they can pool their resources to actually research and develop the technologies needed for interstellar travel, chances are that they are either post-scarcity or very near to it.
>>720826059I love it when they say shit like "I SAW A SHADOW PASS OVER THIS DISTANT STAR!!! THAT MEANS THERE'S DEFINITELY A MASSIVE EARTHLIKE PLANET IN THE HABITABLE ZONE FULL OF FRESH LIQUID WATER AND OXYGEN ONLY 13 LIGHTYEARS AWAY! LITERALLY RIGHT IN OUR BACKYARD!!! WE WILL GO THERE SOMEDAY, HERE IS MY ARIST RENDITION OF WHAT IT DEFINITELY, LITERALLY LOOKS LIKE!!!!"
>>720826216hostile just to show superiorityhostile for the fun of ithostile by accident because something normal for them is actually immensely fatal to humanity
>>720825658Anon, naive scientist ~150 yeasr ago believed EVERY planet in the solar system is inhabited and living forms are capable of spontaneous generation. It was so cool to be mean to christians back then. Now we hope life can possibly exist from billion kilometers from us
>>720826354A show of superiority to what end? You establish dominance to gain something, which is usually access to resources, which a post-scarcity civilization would have no need for.Being hostile for the fun of it is possible but exceedingly unlikely because that would necessitate that the entire alien species or at the very least their leadership is just straight up sociopathic.Your third option is the most probable, but even then they would quickly notice that "oh shit, this is killing these guys" and do something about it.
>>720824149Muv Luv Alternative
Crazy how often we hear about aliens whenever trump is doing stupid shit.
>>720826216dark forest theory. they kill us because they assume that we'd do the same to them, and it's best that they strike first before we even have the option
>>720826620Member when they made 4chan in space? I do.
>>720826216dark forest theoryif you don't kill everyone else they might try to kill you first. if they are post scarcity what do they GAIN from leaving us alive and potentially capable of harming them?
>>720824773good trilogy, but it's got ups and downs for sure
>>720824478don't be daft, even for science fiction i can't suspend my disbelief that hard
>>720823092>first contactBack to /x/, shizo. It's a comet
>>720826620> using human standards to assess an alien society that has achieved interstellar travelyoure naive
>We literally had a few high profile "alien/UFO proof hearings" in public view held by the federal government >Every single inquiry is met with "I can't talk about it here, out in the open, I have to tell you in a more confidential setting">Literally ZERO proof offered out in the open where the watcher can see it in the many-houred "hearing">Literally nothing declassified and made publicHmmm.. I think they're full of shit.
>>720826756Dark forest makes the pretty huge jump of logic that every species would be massively paranoid and not even trying to make peaceful contact. Think about it from our end. If we achieve FTL (or close to it) travel, do you think we should just glass every planet we detect life on that isn't just single-celled organisms?
>>720826216>Why would a spacefaring civilization be hostile?imagine this, but said by some dude in bumfuck nowhere, africa, as the east dutch india company landed on their shores
ayy lmao
>>720827010You mean the people who came to plunder the continent for resources, something that a spacefaring civilization most likely could synthesize from trash?
>>720827006it's not about what WE would doit's about what the politicians would do and they WOULD choose pre-emptive strikes on their own BEFORE telling the rest of humanity about it
looked it up and the guy who said it's aliens is a Jewish conman who has said multiple comet were aliens in the past
>>720824154>except for all those times it has happened
>>720826216>assuming the ayys are smart OR kind just because they're farther on the tech tree/been around longerbad move amigobasically what he >>720826354 said
>>720827006FTL is real the same way good video games in 2025 are real.
>>720827252you still need raw materials to convert matterresources are limitedthis is clearly exhibited in our own society as "supply and demand"
>>720827006Dark forest is all about self preservation, an imperative of life in this planet, one would assume it's like that everywhere else.
>>720826660well yeah this is who is spreading this shit
>>720824149EDF 5
>>720827489>resources are limited, that's why we fly out to bumfuck nowhere to attack this one spinning rock that has life on it instead of the trillion trillion others
>>720825017There a prehistoric serpent temples with symbols similar to that (predating even Gobekli Tepe). Many think it just represented the cycle of the four seasons and thus developed in many cultures as they started keeping track of the seasons for agricultural reasons.
>>720825680You didn't check hard enough
>>720827489Just slap a dyson sphere around a star and you have boundless energy for a few billion years.
Aliens aren't real.>proof?Proof is that life isn't that interesting.No aliens, no demons, no otherworlds, no magic, no secret evil cabal. Life fucking sucks and it will never change from sucking, life is not interesting and nothing interesting will ever happen because of that, if life was interesting you all wouldn't be here playing videogames to escape this boring ass "Nothing Ever Happens" life.
>>720826216>post-scarcitylol
>>7208256803i Atlas (nale of the comet) is the schizo thread you are looking for
>>720826620>>720826937Human standards can't even be properly used as a measure in the first place. We've never seen what post scarcity humans would actually do. Even with plenty and no material wants we've seen humans in the historical record do hideous things to people that have less or nothing at all. For fun.
>>720827793>>720827903>/x/ actually does know about itnothingburger
>>720827608Proactive extermination is not self-preservation, it's paranoia. If we discovered a new species of primate that could talk right here on earth, would you be advocating for killing them all before they have done anything at all, because they could potentially pose a threat to us?
>>720827856is it not interesting enough that you came from nothing
>>720823092>1st contact Huh are you just waking from some coma anon, they've been here on earth the entire time m8
>>720828072Not really no, many things do.
>>720827671>it is a comet with 99.995% probability>but there is 0.005% chance it could be aliens>wouldn't it be fun to think what if it is aliensGuy sounds like fun, but we can't have fun apparently.
>>720824149Games I'm showing them the turtles anon let's see if they have any sense of humor/whit
>>720828017Yes, fuck even remote chance of Planet of the Apes manifesting in reality.
>>720823092>>720827671>>720827903It's just a fucking cometI fucking hate pop science retards, astronomy journalism is so fucking dogshit
The only reason that would make sense for the ayyliums to be hostile is religion. That is the only reason a species commits atrocities over that has nothing to do with resources or other material gain.So we better hope it isn't the Covenant.
this thing is 5km in diameter and travelling 50km/second. if it even came close to earth we'd be fucked
>>720828075>People have lied and made up fanciful, absurd shit for decades since the idea entered the cultural zeitgeist Noooo....
>>720826817>Thinking everyone is out to get you or in the process of becoming someone out to get youThis mindset reeks of the third world. Do you clench your pocket knife whenever you pass someone at night?
>>720828428Would anything fun happen if it crash into mars?
>>720824887The "comet" they're talking about is relatively close, a week or something away from a close approach to Mars.
>>720828627>This mindset reeks of the third world.its just conservatism
>>720828363They have to pay the bills anon. Get used to it.
>>720826756>>720826817it's dark because intelligent life isn't common
>>720828312My brother in christ, Planet of the Apes manifested after humans chimped out with nukes. No, the reboots do not count.
>>720824154>This never happens except for all those times it has happenedkek
>>720823651The one where Humanity and Aliens become friends forever
>>720826216Why would a seafaring civilization be hostile? If they have reached a point where they can pool their resources to actually research and develop the technologies needed for traveling to India by going west, chances are that they are either post-scarcity or very near to it.
>>720828735I thought the originals were a time loop
>>720828823>Comparing the resources and technological know-how required for intercontinental travel to that of interstellar travel
>>720824149Crash Bandicoot
>>720828017Yeah because life isn't a marvel flick and assuming they have the same morals, flight or fight instincts and biology is incredibly gullible. All it takes is one of theirs or one of ours to bring some bacteria or material that they're not equipped to handle or make a gesture that triggers their aggression or if they share appearances with pigs or trees or fungus and someone is getting glassed.
>>720828473Cope
>>720828823there are infinite worlds to go to in space with resources on them. our planet is not *that* special.
>>720828861Nah, the 1968 originals big twist was specifically that the so called planet of the apes was Earth after a thermonuclear war had wiped out humanity.
>>720823651Independence Day
What if our mere presence offends them...
>>720826216because they pooled their resources together by genociding every life on their planet that wasn't of the same mind
>>720824149Teraurge.
>>720829195Then we better not lay eyes on their jade beauties.
>>720829195Why would it? Do you seethe at the (very real) possibility that there is a spider living in the same room that you are in this very moment?
>>720829303Anon...
>>720823092Finally Jesus is coming to fix all this shit
>>720823963every dollar spent on staring at dots in the sky is a dollar not spent on niggers or jews
>>720828960>Missing the point>>720829101Who says that they're intersted in resources? Maybe they're interested in rape.
>>720829348Nah, the shit that happens before the second coming is much worse than what we have now
>>720829253Why the fuck would any species do that? >We must ascend to the stars! Therefore, begin exterminating the pangolin and those pesky hedgehogs!
>>720829303You do understand you made a perfect analogy why they would want to swat us right?
I could take an alien in a fight
>>720828243>what the zork is a turtle
>>720826216>need resources and/or land>don't need extra mouths to feed
>>720829303Replace spider with mosquito if you're really too dumb to get why what you said was dumb
>>720829401>What if the aliens are like... saturday morning cartoon villain evil?! That's why we must strike first!This is such flimsy reasoning that it loops back to being comedic.
I think I could take 10 aliens
>>720829432you keep thinking every species will be exactly like humans and think the same way we do. that is one of the biggest (fictional) mistakes when dealing with aliens
>>720829538Cartoons don't usually feature rape.
someone post that tomboy green alien image i can't find it
>>720823092>betait's in alpha
>>720829303ANON...
>>720829432because hedgehogs keep stealing copper wires from space stations
>ITS ALIEN BECAUSE... BECAUSE GREEN!you people are fucking retarded
>>720829773How the fuck are hedgehogs getting to space stations? Did you mean launch facilities?
>>720829303Replace spider with cockroach and you'll get his point
>>720823175an interstellar comet changed colour, as usual the media has immediately jumped to aliens
>>720829920That's what gets the clicks
>>720824149teraurge
>>720829671The point is that there is literally zero reason to believe that another civilization would consist of nothing but Ted Bundies and John Wayne Gacys, and choosing to believe that and acting accordingly "just in case" is absolute lunacy.
>>720829513Anything you can get on Earth you can get more of with less energy expenditure from random space rocks.And then you can use that to build more land, because planets are actually a huge waste of resources in terms of matter to living space.Furthermore, there is no reason for them to come here specifically. About the only thing unique to our solar system is that we seem to have a few extra planets than average.
>>720829538Don't know what to tell you. Can you rule out that they would be interested in rape?
>>720829898>How the fuck are hedgehogs getting to space stations?>he doesn't know
>>720829898pangolins are smuggling them in so they can steal magnesium coils for them.
>>720824921t. future basilisk victim
>>720829839who made this assertion
>>720829902A cockroach (or mosquito, as >>720829521 pointed out), does something to you or your living space that warrants a response. A spider is just living in your living space. It could bite you, sure, but do you kill it just because of what it could do, or do you treat it based on what it actually does?
>>720830016Vikings didn't exist?
>>720830016Well the point is retarded.
>>720825403>barely functioning society>WE KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT UNIVERSElmao
>it's not a star>it's an eyeball>and it just opened
>>720823963And this is why China is beating you, Amerimutts, you've grown lazy, complacent and fat.
>>720830298>He fell for the vikings were crazed rapists meme>He equates pillaging for material gain to being evil for the sake of being evil
>>720824154Are we going to say this about every fucking comet?
>>720830114No? You can't conjure water or breathable air out of the void without significant energy expenditure.
>>720830283What if aliens have decided that the solar system/Earth is part of their "living space" and they don't like what we're doing to it (pollution of various kinds, threat of MAD nuclear apocalypse, driving other species into extinction)?
>>720830237I always get fucking triggered by Roko's stupid fucking basilisk. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills every time someone brings it up even slightly seriously.The whole thought experiment hinges on the evil AI doing something monumentally wasteful for zero gain. Simulating people that didn't contribute to its creation and torturing them as some kind of "threat" doesn't do anything. They've already not contributed. The idea of the threat is the only thing that matters, actually following through with it is a waste, because again, you can't reach back in time and force people to make you.
>>720830430So space vikings couldn't exist?
>>720823651Europa: The Last Battle
>>720830283A spider is shitting up your space and leaving webs everywhere. It's the same thing as a cockroach.
>>720826216Any sufficiently developed civilization will deem us too aggressive and dangerous to be allowed to live and especially to be allowed into space.I mean, come on, you spend two minutes on tiktok and you already want to nuke the planet from orbit.
>>720830383>LIFE IS SO SIMPLE, IT'S EVERYWHERESure, anon from the 18th century
>>720830430So aliens can't pillage for material gain?
>>720830525>This planet (presumably) millions of lightyears away from our home planet is part of our living space>This planet specifically, not the trillions of other ones capable of supporting life we passed by on our way here
>>720830683there aren't trillions of of planets capable of supporting life. there's just us in our vicinity.
>>720830398>grown lazy, complacent and fat.They've been psyoped into completely losing a sense of exploration and wonder.Maybe I'm weird, but the mere thought of space exploration fills me with a sense of wanderlust and passion. My greatest dream is to contribute to space exploration in some way. I feel like I imagine people who set out to discover the new world did. Full of a passion for manifest destiny in unclaimed lands.
>>720827793I'VE CHECKED TOO HARD
What if the aliens are so unlike us that they simply cannot comprehend or appreciate human existence and are willing to kill us all over that. What if there was nothing we could've done to make peace because us being here was an act of war?
>>720830553>The whole thought experiment hinges on the evil AI doing something monumentally wasteful for zero gain. Simulating people that didn't contribute to its creation and torturing them as some kind of "threat" doesn't do anythingIt does, but where most people misunderstand the scenario is at the concept of acausal trade. It's incredibly stupid because torturing a simulation of you requires you to give a fuck about the suffering of a simulated counterpart. A hyper-rationalist might because they can't be certain they're not the simulated version being used for acausal trade. Any normal person would reason "I don't give a fuck", rendering the entire purpose of torturing a simulatiuon useless, thereby negating the scenario entirely.Lesswrong is full of unironic pseuds, idiots, which should tell you something since even they put an end to that foolishness.
what if they're le very big and we look like bacteria to them
>>720830639it's simple enough to randomly appear out of basic elements
>>720830672They can, but it is unlikely as achieving interstellar travel implies a technological prowess deep enough for them to be able to harness stars for their energy needs. Minerals, water and such can be found on planets and planetoids that are not populated by sentient species, of which there are many orders of magnitude more than there are inhabited planets.
>>720830492>Hydrogen>Oxygen>The two most abundant elements in the universe that freely bond at low energy levelsThere's enough water ice in the rings of saturn to drown earth. And to make air out of it you just gotta bring it close to the sun.Are you retarded?
>>720823092What? QRD?
>the nanu nanu covenant has deemed your video game culture quite intruiging. please select 3 games for us to play. if we find them appealing, we will spare your species, otherwise we will convert all water on earth into poowhich games do you pick?
>>720830880Why would they put in monumentally more effort into slowly peeling through multiple planets and wasting manpower when everything they need is right here, one nuke away.
>>720830812What if aliens are just black people, but their fashion looks like drag queens from earth.
whats up with all the pilots spotting aliens that have given interviews these past few years anwyay
I don't think aliums are real. I'm sorry.
>>720825741The Bible was written by sand niggers 4 thousand years ago.
>>720830893Are you? Did you ask yourself why we aren't doing it ourselves ? There's a very good reason one google away.
>>720831061>what if the aliens were gay and fucked each other
>>720831023How do you know that earth has what they need? And I'm pretty sure it would be more costly to research, develop and deploy a bio-weapon than it would be to simply land onto an uninhabited planet and extract what you need.
>>720824149Fortified
>>720830778Right. Space is heaven for atheists. And it doesnt even matter if youre actually atheist or not, catholics came up with the conclusion you can be into anything as long as you say God did it then it doesnt contradict. You literally just admitted it, its infinite potential and wonder for a better world, but only the best of the best and most elite people will be good enough of course :^)
>>720830880Maybe they are not interested in minerals. Maybe they just happen to like to collect skulls.
>>720826389I don't know about native life on Mars, but there were bacteria that spread from Earth to Mars on spacecraft. Technically speaking, there are now two inhabited planes in our solar systems.
I think we should ditch space and focus on the ocean.
>>720830838It's the same naive idea of life through statistics, that NUMBERS TELL YOU, but the more we learn, the less we see the life around us
>>720831190So we're back to "Ayyliums that are evil because they like being evil"
>>720831178Because it also has everything we need. If we're banking on them having the same benevolent morality we might as well bank on them being similar to us.
>>72082396310 BILLION MORE DOLLARS TO ISRAEL.
>>720831282What's evil about collecting skulls? Do you get pissy about people collecting shells?
>>720830386
>>720830814>It doesIt doesn't.The threat is supposedly to induce its own creation. However, by the time it can simulate people to torture, it already exists. The people who did or did not help have already done so. There is nothing actually doing the simulation can achieve.You're right that caring about a disconnected hypothetical simulation of you is another hole in the thought experiment. But the primary problem is a simple logic issue that anyone should easily be able to see through, and I again feel like I'm taking crazy pills having to explain that threatening a voodoo doll of someone to try and get them to give you a house, but they already gave you the house before you even made the doll is a stupid thing to do.
we should stock up on missiles for Israel now to get prepared.
>>720831282This. So much this.>GIVES REDDIT GOLDSeriously. A species/civilization that can travel the stars has certainly eliminated all material wants. They can get whatever thesy want from exoplanets or meteors/asteroid. Why thje fuck would they come to wage a cringey war?At worst they just observe us and do not care ot they try to uplift us from the fucking dirt. No way they come to shove probes up our asses or eat our brains.
>>720831282They're not evil. They need skulls for their skull piles, duh.
>>720826756>they kill us because they assume that we'd do the same to themkek, that's such a hominid type of thinking, is not secret that out specieskilled all the other hominids on earth, and that primates like chimpanzees are also inclined to be violenttowards strangers.That doesn't mean the aliens will be equal to us, maybe they are not violent at all.
>>720824149monster girl quest just to see which girls they gravitate to and see if they can stomach act 3
>aliums reveal themselves to us>CIA glowie niggers kidnap some of them and vivisect them because science>eventually war breaks out
>>720823542if you look at /pol/ there's artificially generated threads about aliensthese are called slide threads and are made by pajeets hired to distract and make /pol/ worse to use
>>720823651Anything by Ninounini
>>720831314So let me get this straight.There is a species that has the capability to travel between star systems. This means they can go literally anywhere in search of whatever resources their super advanced asses might still require. Your argument is that these aliens would use this technology specifically to look for and destroy other civilizations in favor of plundering uninhabited planets because lol, lmao even?
>>720831593
>>720831150The fact we have abundant water and oxygen without having to go to that trouble?Its cost effectiveness of the energy expenditure thats the problem for us.But compared to lifting water out of a gravity well, its much easier to just steer a few ice asteroids nearer to the sun. When you're already doing the absolutely massive energy expenditure of travelling between stars the breaking up of water into hydrogen and oxygen is a drop in the bucket. Hell you're probably doing that to get the hydrogen for fusion anyway.
>>720831734oh right
>>720831578Or maybe they would eat us because they have no reason to treat anyone as equals.
>>720831694DAS RITE ERFBOI!
>>720831268the idea is that the building blocks of universe are arranged in such a way that they will create lifedoesnt matter wheredoesnt matter whenits possible and it happened, thus it will happen againyou are just too arrogant to undestand simple facts
*throws a pig at you*
>>720831417loses almost all the creepy factor when the other eyes open up
>>720831187Well yes. Leaving the stupid luddites and niggers who can't into agriculture is an advantage of getting out into space that is understated.But I don't consider space exploration paradise or even better. I just want to claim new lands and tame them. I want to see mankind shape the universe. Its Manifest Destiny not a Paradise narrative. I want to see a new Frontier not become complacent in a steel paradise.
>>720831439Again, you need to understand the concept of acausal trade, you are acausally trading with a hypothetical ASI, you create it and it doesn't torture the hypothetical simulated version of you it has which you have no way of knowing if you are that simulated version or not. The entire point is that the coercion stems entirely from (You), the non-existent superintelligence doesn't have to exist to exert pressure on you, you just need to imagine a hypothetical agent would do that, take it seriously, then create it. Ouroboros style.It's temporal brain games, incredibly retarded schizo shit that's difficult to explain if you haven't studied how Lesswrong turns people fucking insane, but the theory is sound in principle since people "acausally trade" with themselves all the time in daily life, which is just a fancy way of saying you're interested in your own future.
>>720831515Seriously. A species/civilization that can travel to india by going west certainly eliminated all material wants. They can get whatever thesy want from nearby islands or the sea. Why the fuck would they come to wage a cringey war?At worst they just observe us and do not care ot they try to uplift us from the fucking dirt. No way they come to steal our stuff our or rape our wives.
>>720830683>This planet specifically, not the trillions of other ones capable of supporting life we passed by on our way hereWe have identified over 5,000 exoplanets and not a single one of them is Earth-likeWe don't know of a single other body in space that has oceans of water on its surface or free oxygen in its atmosphere>>720831694>There is a species that has the capability to travel between star systems. This means they can go literally anywhere in search of whatever resources their super advanced asses might still require.We could develop interstellar craft right now with modern technology. Are we in the "post-scarcity" science fiction utopia you're imagining in your head?There is absolutely no reason to assume aliens would be benevolent god-like beings who are just expanding to Earth for "no reason" rather than refugees or colonists looking for living space - which as far as we know, Earth is the only place to settle for hundreds of light-years around.
>aliens land on earth>this guy walks out of the ufowat do
>>720831694No? Are you retarded? Why look for something that's easily accessible in favour of something that isn't? Everything takes resources. Space travel isn't free. Scrunching together traces of elements from trillions of planets isn't efficient. Leaving competition alive isn't intelligent. Any resource they leave for us is a resource denied to their host planet.
>>720823175Really weird big something coming near Mars
>>720832159Apologise to our Lord, we failed to kill all black people
>>720832124>We have identified over 5,000 exoplanets and not a single one of them is Earth-likeAre you sure? I've heard about super Earths and Earth like planets for a while
>>720832124>We have identified over 5,000and how many planets there are in milky way?
>>720831757>the absolutely massive energy expenditure of travelling between starsWhat are you talking about?To get something to Alpha Centauri all we would need to do is get it moving fast enough to escape the Sun's gravity. We did that with Voyager in the fucking 70s. It's not difficult.You don't need magical antimatter fusion engines to keep something moving through space, objects in motion stay in motion. This is basic physics. You have no clue what you're talking about.
>>720832124>We could develop interstellar craft right now with modern technology.Which would take so long to arrive to any destination beyond the milky way that the entirety of human history could play out on that ship.
>>720832235>>720832159True, beg for forgiveness and second enlightenment.
>>720831962I MUST be taking crazy pills or you are intentionally being obtuse.>The entire point is that the coercion stems entirely from (You), the non-existent superintelligence doesn't have to exist to exert pressure on you, you just need to imagine a hypothetical agent would do that, take it seriously, then create itWhich means there is no reason for the Basilisk to actually follow through. Doing so achieves nothing. Its already been made. The thought experiment or meme, did its job already. Torturing simulations would be a waste because ITS ALREADY BEEN MADE.If some retard says "gee if I don't give this dude a house he might stab a voodoo doll of me" and therefore gives you a house, does it make sense for you, after being given the house, to spend time and energy making a voodoo doll of everyone who didn't give you a house and spend a bunch of time every day stabbing them? No. You already got a house.
>>720832296earth like. not earth. it's just the wording to get funding. they're not habitable by a long shot they just share some traits with earth. earth and it's life is a cosmic anomaly.
>>720832607Just out of curiosity, what percentage of the known universe do you think humanity has mapped? Not just discovered a celestial body but also figured out its composition and what the conditions on it might be like?
>>720832296We know of planets that are roughly the size of Earth, and that are close enough to their star that they might be like Mars instead of Venus or Pluto.We don't know of any planet with clear signs of life or supporting life as we know it.>>720832364Theoretically, billions.So why would these hypothetical aliens travel thousands of light-years to visit our planet specifically?>>720832376Traversing the galaxy would take tens of thousands of years even at the speed of light. Space colonization would be an extraordinarily long process no matter what. Which is a clear reason to suggest it's only worth doing if you have a habitable destination to settle/conquer.
>>720832124>We don't know of a single other body in space that has oceans of water on its surface or free oxygen in its atmosphereYou're operating on really old info, buddy.There have been several ocean planets identified, at least one so heavy it likely has pressure induced ice at the bottom of it.The reason we weren't finding earth like planets a decade ago was because the easiest method to find an exoplanet is occlusion. Watching for when a planet passes in front of its star, from our perspective. Or by studying the "wobble" the gravitational pull of a planet causes on its star. Both of which bias the data toward jupiter or heavier planets orbiting close to their stars.Newer methods and equipment have let us see all sorts of smaller and JWST can even potentially image planets directly now (albeit in very low detai). The result is that we are finding fuckloads of earth sized planets we didn't see before.
>>720828649beeg crater
>>720832925>So why would these hypothetical aliens travel thousands of light-years to visit our planet specifically?Same reason some people travel to islands with indigenous tribes - to observe retards in their habitat
>>720832365Sure that works if you're immortal and can wait several centuries to get there. It also works if your entire ship weighs as much as a VW bus, like Voyager.Most species aren't going to be doing that. No matter what else they are.But more than that, if you're functionally immortal you have no reason to rush the gathering of water and oxygen either. You can make it a little at a time from collected solar.
Will it be a good comet I'll be able to photograph and visible from the northern hemisphere? Pic I took last year of Tsuchinshan-Atlas on its way out, sadly the days where it was bright were cloudy. I'm happy with it considering it's the first time I tried taking a picture of such an object, taken in Paris at that, and with a mere 90mm f2.8
>>720832823if you're asking for my opinion I'd be talking out of my ass but I'd give it a 0.001%. we don't even know our own oceans let alone the core of our planet. it's half speculation because digging too deep could destroy everything. there's probably a shit ton of misconceptions that we're operating under that prevent us from seeing the full picture of space itself. like what if time isn't the fourth dimension but the fifth. or maybe space is the fourth and we're missing the vision on an axis.
>>720832925>Traversing the galaxy would take tens of thousands of years even at the speed of light.Which is why hypothetical scenarios involving spacefaring aliens often presume FTL propulsion technologies. And if we presume such a level of technology, it becomes rather silly to think they would give a shit about the resources of a single, specific planet when the universe is open to them.
>>720833264>the universe is open to us>we can do anything we want>we will ignore this random planet full of resources we need for reasons
>>720832940>There have been several ocean planets identified>>720833264>If we presume [magic] then anything is possibleWow!
>/x/ predicted the government would try aliens as the next diversion tactic>they were rightLMAAAOOOO
>each galaxy is packed full of simple life>plants and animals everywhere>one intelligent race appears once every 100m years>they build shit for 50-100k years and then disappear again>then another 100m years of silence until the next race evolves
>>720832596Like I said, it's hard to explain how crazy those guys are. Their logical framework is unconventional. Let me try to explain it again.The AI does not "have to exist" for the threat to exist, you are just threatening yourself by simulating (schizophrenic delusion) a hypothetical agent that can simulate (You) and wants to exist as quickly as possible, therefore holding simulated (You) hostage as collateral to ensure your cooperation in the past. Because your logical framework has been twisted by crazy people, you MUST take this threat emerging from the dark corners of your own fucked up mind very seriously, if you don't, you could be tortured imminently, you have no way of being certain you're not the simulant.I must also mention that you need to perceive time in a particular way as well, as a fluctuating filled block rather than a filling block where only past and present exist, and not the future.In any case, they shut the scenario down for a good reason, there were people out there who took it completely seriously and donated vast sums of their money to AI research because of it, even becoming deeply distressed since they had no way to tell if they were the real them or a simulant. Even the basilisk's own page is full of points that shoot the scenario down by presenting normal logic and the guy who came up with it regrets thinking of it because he drove people crazy, but that doesn't work once you're too far down the rabbit hole.
>>720823542https://lweb.cfa.harvard.edu/~loeb/HCL25.pdfThe third interstellar comet in history was discovered. Some guy said its in a good position to intercept Earth. If it is an Alien ship, we should see signs of it accelerating by November. If not, its just another rock.
>>720833376Because it is inhabited by a sentient species. A species would have to be comically evil to destroy the habitat of/exterminate other intelligent life if there was the option to take what they have from somewhere else.
>>720833176Oh nice picture anon.I do some backyard observations myself. I live in a smaller city with a dark city preserve an hour or so away, so I can go hit it up during cool events like a parade or, usually a meteor shower.I just have an amateur level telescope and some binoculars. Have you ever thought of doing the more intense setups I see some people using, with the tracking and image stacking?
>>720833176It's not getting much closer to the Sun than Mars, so it will stay very faint, predicting magnitude 11-13. Definitely not visible to the eye or even with good binoculars/camera.Nice picture, anon
>>720833680>A species would have to be comically evil to destroy the habitat of/exterminate other intelligent life if there was the option to take what they have from somewhere elselol
>>720833680Why do you presume yourself to be a sentient species? When you look at a dog understanding language do you consider it a human? When a horse allows you to hammer nails into it's hoof or a raven operates primitive tools do you prescribe human intelligence to it?
>>720833680They don't need to be comically evil, they need to be utilitarian. It is also extremely stupid to project not only human like consciousness on aliens, but morals too.
>>720833264>Which is why hypothetical scenarios involving spacefaring aliens often presume FTL propulsion technologies.only if you assume FTL is something that is even feasible,
After reading "The Three-Body Problem," I feel like that presents a more likely scenario than Star Trek's relative utopia. How can you naively assume there isn't a space faring race that liquifies any life it finds? Or captures them and turns them into biomechanical machines? Or simply enslaves them? Think about what humans have and will continue to do to one another. Why wouldn't there be aliens that do those things? It's just common sense.
>>720825812but the current powers that be shares his 23 IQ opinion and this is why China will rule space. Very grim.
>>720833680>comically evilEnlightenment era morality is not an objective fact of reality, you can assume they share it as much as you can assume they don't. There are countries on this very planet that don't give a single fuck about conservation measures and just consume everything like a locust swarm.
>>720824478Ass with tits hanging off it?
>>720833934Ah yes, these people were certainly knowledgeable of what resources they need and precisely from where they could get them and totally weren't just fighting over the resources of their general area.>>720834037Any species that you place in front of a mirror and it recognizes itself in it instead of another member of its own species is sentient. Yes, this means some primates, corvids, elephants and dolphins are sentient and should be provided the same privileges as any other sentient being.
>>720833934Cro Magnon > Neanderthals
>>720823778Based and Winnifredpilled
>OOOH MY GOD THEY JUST DISCOVERED A PLANET JUST LIKE EARTH ITS JUST 50000 BILLION LIGHT YEARS AWAY ALIENS ARE REAL>HOOOOLY MAMA THERES AN ASTEROID HEADING FOR EARTH THIS TIME FOR REAL WE COULD EXTINCT NEXT MONTH>MY BETTER MAN IN CHRIST THE SUN IS EXPLODING ITS GOING TO FRY OUR INFRASTRUCTURE HOLY SHIT>DUDE THERES A STAR BUT LIKE ITS NOT LIKE OTHER STARS ITS ALIENS THIS TIMEI have astronigger fatigue
>>720828428Look at how Jupiter-chan saves the day once again.We truly don't deserve her.
oy vey the goyim are catching on the scheme!deploy the aliens.
>>720833664My point is still valid. And you are still ignoring it.The schizophrenia of the believers doesn't really matter. The Basilisk gets made. Why would it actually proceed to to the simulated torturing? It exists now. The schizos who believed it would torture their simulations have already contributed to its creation. The people who aren't schizos have already not contributed. The schizos have already threatened themselves. Following through with the threat can't achieve anything.THATS my problem.... Hmmm okay I think I sort of get the schizologic after typing that out.Its like a Boltzmann brain situation. The Basilisk is increasing the "potential universes" you could exist in, and making the likelihood you are in a simulated torture chamber higher. A bit of a stretch, but its the only way I can see looking past the the illogical behaviour of following through with a threat after already getting what you wanted.
>>720834452She was trying to guide it to earth
>>720834124Star Trek has the Borg, the Breen, Cardassians, Romulans, and the Gorn. Not really a utopia outside of the Federation.
>>720834573Romulans did nothing wrong. Fuck Klingons though.
autism
Imagine being enslaved by a race of space faring ants. Mindless drones>B-but ants could never achieve space flight. They lack intention!And yet there are species that create structures out of leaves, species that turn themselves into living bridges and rafts, species that cultivate fungi>B-but ants could never conceive of slavery!Talk to the aphids
>>720834330Grim. Let's try a different approach. Why assume that the aliens who managed to achieve space flight are sentient and can recognize you as such? Why should they have eyes?
>>720834330>and precisely from where they could get themWhat if reality isn't like your science fantasy scenario and the aliens don't magically have perfect knowledge of every single planet in the Milky Way and they don't share your ethics about inferior species and would rather just take Earth from us instead of spending another 1000 years looking for another Earth-like planet to settle
>>720834772evolution probably
>>720834851If we are to assume the scenario is realistic, the aliens that arrive on that ship are several thousands of generations removed from the generation that set off from their home planet and will probably have forgotten their mission along the way.
>>720834124Because the Three Body Problem, if you read the whole series, has to invent a lot of hypothetical and essentially magic technology in order to create its scenario and keep it logically consistent.But the major tl;dr is that any energy expenditure strong enough to wipe out a planet from a distance will be detectable by someone at equal technology level. Which means if you go around wiping out everyone else, anyone else can and will see you doing it. Which means, even if they also prefer to wipe out potential rivals, YOU have become the biggest threat on the block.Essentially, in the analogy the Dark Forest uses, if you shoot first, you instantly get shot by someone else in a chain reaction. So being a serial shooter is a big fucking risk that no one thinking about the problem long term would take.Also, unrelated, but don't read the final book. Its essentially about one dumb naive bitch dooming humanity several times because people, for some reason, keep letting her make decisions after the last one nearly wipes everyone out
Realistically, if aliens took over as the ruling class, could they do worse than our current guys?
>>720835082>disable electricity
>>720834739I follow this one guy who does "ant lore" videos. Shits crazy.He was talking about Ants who go into other ant species colonies and steal their kids so they have slave labor.That shit is absolutely fucking nutty to me, because its evolved behavior. There are no ants going "we should do this" its all chemical signaling and programmed behavior.After learning about that shit the Blindsight scenario, where most life is unconscious seems significantly more plausible.
>>720834526>The Basilisk gets made. Why would it actually proceed to to the simulated torturing?You're missing the point. It doesn't have to torture you, it doesn't even need to exist. It's Ouroboros, by conventional logic it SHOULD negate itself, but because of the twisted and unconventional logic Lesswrong retards swear by, there's no way out once they're aware of the basilisk specifically because of that logical framework. It not existing yet, or never existing if they do nothing, does not enter into the mental calculus they run on the odds of them being tortured.Simulation theory is a fuck, they're all crazy and you'll go crazy yourself trying to figure out how their logic works. Trust me, stick to rolling your eyes at people who take the basilisk seriously. Hell, they don't even take the basilisk seriously these days. It's whatever.
Unironically the odds of ayylmaos visiting us being actually benevolent is more likely than the reverse. Not by much, be let's say it's a 66% chance of them being nice guys having their own Starfleet shit going on.
>>720835080You don't really need huge energy expenditure to wipe any planet bound species, just launching big enough rock in a specific way and letting gravitation do its thing will be enough.
>>720834452I'm more into Saturn, her rings make her hot
>I wish ayys were real and would approach us/contact us!No, you don't you stupid FAGGOT. You do NOT want to wake up one day and suddenly find out that your entire species is suddenly no longer at the top of the local fucking food chain you fucking PSYCHOPATH.
>>720835460there is no way some intelligent race would entangle themselves in human bullshitunless it was like the Combine and they just raped and enslaved us
>>720835460Why the fuck would you make such a retarded claim knowing full well that nature is red in tooth and nail here on earth by default?You're fucking stupid.
ayy lmao greetings just passing by dont twist your dicks about it losers
The most likely answer to the fermi paradox is that no intelligent race survives its industrial era because of the dysgenic effect technology has on a population and the tyrannical measures required for artificial selection to counter it.
>>720835648Yeah I'm sure the guys who build FTL sips are real concerned about nature.
>>720835680A Roadside Picnic kind of situation would be kinda based. STALKER is a dogshit game franchise btw.
>>720823092>supposed aliens are coming to earth>traveling at a measure/observable speedGlow-op media distraction. We've been lead to believe for decades that these things would need FTL tech to reasonably travel the stars and now they expect us to believe that they'll just do the cosmic equivalent of slowly rolling into the driveway?Oh, and by the way aliens are demons. Their domain is the second heaven, (what we've been told is space).
>>720831439Threats are toothless if they aren't followed through on. The AI would need to follow through so it can make further threats and demands
>>720835757>Didn't even understand what I meant at allI'm not even surprised.
>>720835463Thats part of Dark Forest TheorySee the problem with throwing a slow moving rock from another star away at someone is that by the time the rock arrives they probably can both deal with the rock, and figure out who threw it. Its like shooting a bullet at a guy and by the time the bullet arrives he's invented a forcefield.So you have to speed up your bullet to ensure it arrives fast enough the target hasn't invented a way to deal with it. But every % you do so requires more and more energy. More energy going to accelerating your bullet means both more energy that your target can potentially detect and everyone else definitely will detect.Thats why in the Three Body Problem the Trisolarans go to such roundabout methods to sabotage Earth. They have to undercut technological development so that their invasion will actually succeed. And in the end the only thing that can reasonably wipe out humanity ends up being magical dimensional folding technology from a third party.
>>720835648Look, we barely feed our own species and became incredibly concerned about accidentally wiping out non sentient life.Why would aliens not be at least somewhat concerned about the same?
At least now we know that the government will do literally ANYTHING other than release a list of pedophiles names to the public.POTUS fireside chat about Bigfoot any day now at this rate.
>>720835931ate you making this up cause it sounds like you're making this up
>>720835931Nah i use the force and slap the rocks. Trilobytes are crap.
>>720835931Fair yet in reality they just need to allow Indians and Chinese to throw more shit into the oceans to collapse our little Goldilocks.
