What is causing this?I don't understand.
We freaking did it
the penguin won
Linux really isn't hard to use, I don't know why normies are afraid of it so much.Admittedly, I have a computer science degree and I log into linux servers every day, but it shouldn't be hard for people to pick up quickly.
>>725376980It's not so much that they're afraid of it99% of people just use the OS their prebuilt came with
>>725376760This is so fucking sad.
total 'eck victory
>>725377030She deserves DEATH
>>725376760windows gets worse every daylinux gets better every daywhat's there to not understand?
>>725376760windows keeps repeatedly shitting the bed and linux is more beginner friendly than ever
>>725377030Get to work bitch
>>725377030GET OUT HERE WHORE GET OUUUUUUUUUT!!!
>>725376760>What is causing this? I don't understand.I don't know anon maybe it has something to do with Windows publicly shitting its pants repeatedly in the last few months
Makes sense that retarded cultists that spend 1k on a dreck are also the same lowlives that allow valve to use their data in surveys.
>>725376760As long as you don't:>use your PC for obscure work applications>use Adobe>play bad games (Riot, Fortnite etc)>do music productionThen Linux is an easy choice.
>>725376760 A WHOLE 3 PERCENT OF USERS ARE IN CHINA AND RUN STATE SPYWARE
>>725376980Unless linux is indistinguishable in user experience from windows i don't give a fuck. Come back when you unfuck your file system for starters.
>>725377553Are you the person crying that Dark Souls needs an easy mode? kek
People are slow, the seeds were planted over a decade ago so we're simply starting to see the slow folks come around.
>>725377526achtkually the vast majority of linux users are from English speaking countries
>>725377553What's wrong with the linux filesystem? It's a lot simpler and intuitive that the drive partitioning nonsense in windows.
>>725377553linux filesystem is superior to the winbloat one
for a windows user application installation is so unbelievably sketchyi have to trust an application like discover to download and install another application god know where on the hard drive and then trust that it isnt compromised at the source wherever that might be unlike other sources for windows based applications that are verified in their own way but familiar
>>725377476>oh no valve saw I have 32 GB of ram privacy is dead
>>725377669>>725377724No it's not. Physical, or partitioned, drives should always be priority over the rest of file system.
>>725377961wrong + you're retarded
>>725377526
Windows 11 is literal AIDS
>>725378252Only linux fa/g/gots could be retarded enough to bury physical and removable drives in a fucking folder.
>>725378591it's the same on windows, the folder is just named "R" (for retarded), and you have less options.one coherent filesystem where i don't have to worry if i'm saving it on R or M (for Mentally ill) is objectively superior.
>>725376760>What is causing this?W10 support is being discontinued and when given the options of "downgrade to windows 11" or "upgrade to linux" people picked the latter
It's just deck users
>>725377014/threadIf prebuilt laptops and PCs starter using Ubuntu, Ubuntu would become the most popular OS eventually.
>>725376760Applesisters... what's our next move?
I need Linux to run 100% of my games.>what gamesThe ones you hate, bitch.
>>725376760Time for a block party.
>>725378591>in a fucking folder.They're called directories.
>>725376760The retards fell for the "Windows X is dying, we need to move Linux" meme
the linux user's creed, having exhausted all 'use case for X' and 'why would you want Y', is 'fix it yourself'. and, well, no. I won't, nor should I be expected to. usually there's some spiteful 'well get a refund' or 'enjoy your current operating system that works the way you expect and want it to BITCH!!!!' quip that follows
The main issue is anticheat games, there are a few games I want to play that I can't on linux. I assume if it gets over 10% marketshare they will be supported, but a few are.I play Arc Raiders on linux, for instance, but AAA garbage often doesn't work.
>>725376980Normies are afraid of linux because retards like (you) cry and piss your pants over ultra easy to use distros like ubuntu, snap, flat packs, and telemetry that can be disabled. On top of that the most vocal linux autist on the internet on every top search result (youtube, reddit, then news shit) all complain about it non stop, think for whatever reason every human being should be upgrading their shit every single year and using some bleeding edge distro. Now I was on an arch based OS (suse) but I switched to Ubuntu recently so i could learn it to help my grandmother who is criminally bad at installing suspicious shit on windows and I love it. Its stable, i have had 2 minor issues that were solved immediately by searching the forum. Game performance was identical in every game except 1 (ff13, I had to install the fix on Ubuntu to get 60 fps, didnt need that on suse) and after this experience I think I'm going to switch to another downstream debian because I actual like using my fucking pc.Tldr is the reason normies think linux is hard is because you retards keep telling them to stay away from the normie training wheels distros because your gay
i have two personalities:>the grandma-friendly operating system for humans :)>learn the command line or perish :twisted:
>>725377612>2025>still untradableREEEE
it's the small number of people who are actually following through on their "im done with windows" stance due to how invasive/controlling w11 is, even compared to w10 which is already bad enough.I have no idea if Valve are actually gonna release a new desktop steamOS (yes I know its just their version of arch), but now seems like a pretty good time to put it out there if they actually want to grab a larger share of the "gamer" OS market.
>>725380407Valve will never release steam os that isn't tied to curated hardware, they don't want to deal with customer support nightmare.
>>725380519This but also people are stupid if they think their version of arch wont freeze updates for stability reasons similar to Ubuntu to retard proof it
>>725377612I've never seen a single player wearing this.
>>725380713Don't think anyone expects that, valve controlling the updates would be a benefit for it as a way of easing newbies into linux. A lightweight arch based distro aimed at gamers, managed valve and without the invasiveness of windows.
>>725381001They did that already. Valve recommended manjaro kde for desktop gaming usage and arch fags collectively cried and bitched
>>725376980>Linux really isn't hard to useYeah, sure. Until something doesn't work. Which happens really fast.I spent hours every day for a month trying to get things to work on my machine on Linux. And Nvidia drivers suck.>inb4 skill issue
>>725381164>I spent hours every day for a month trying to get things to work on my machine on Linux.can you explain what exactly took "hours every day"
>>725379413Its true though. If you dont see the writing in the wall, well then enjoy your shit pit of whatever windows wants to do with you
>>725376760>site reports it 3 days late>anon posts about it 5 days after thatbruh this is last week's news
>>725382005Windows is dying since 95', sure 2 more weeks right?
>>725376760steam deck and winlatorthat number could jump to 50 if valve truly cared
>>725382364It's not dying, it's getting more abusive, and people would rather be taken advantage of than have to deal with change.
That was just me installing steamOS onto my legion go, sorry about that OP. You can move on with your day now.
>>725376980i'm going to unplug a USB drive without unmounting it from the file system
>>725376760>What is causing this?>I don't understand.1. Steam Deck.2. Linux being able to run games with minimal effort.3. Steam Deck proving that Linux is able to run games with minimal effort.4. The reputation of Windows generally being in the gutter.It's tempting to attribute Linux hitting 3% in October to the Windows 10 end-of-support also occurring in October, but this is completely in line with trends that were happening since around the time of Steam Deck's release if not earlier; see >>725378367. If you had looked at the light-blue line on that graph months ago, and had drawn a straight trend line from around the time of Steam Deck's release (of course ignoring those huge dips that are verifiably caused by huge spikes in Simplified Chinese users), you would have expected to see it hit 3% around the start of 2026, give or take a few months. It's barely above 3% now, so we may see it dip below 3% again for November, but you don't need a degree in statistics to see that the trend has been upward, so it's clear that it will be consistently above 3% soon enough if that trend continues. Meanwhile, the green line showing English-only Linux usage is probably staying above 6% for good unless something changes the trend entirely, especially since that graph is unaffected by the occasional surges in Simplified Chinese user share.
>>725376760the transgender social contagion
>>725377508I really fucking wish I didn't use my pc for work and Adobe shit, I'm so desperate to get rid of windows.
>>725379567Often times it's the anticheat that's made incompatible with linux and not the other way around
>>725383421>those huge dips that are verifiably caused by huge spikes in Simplified Chinese usersI'm just gonna post this now so the Chinese defense force can skip straight to calling the evidence fake instead of wasting their time first demanding the evidence.
Just stick with windows 10?
>>725384635do NOT do this it is UNSUPPORTED and your computer will EXPLODE
>>725384363Why are the Chinese so attached to windows when a huge concern is decoupling from America? Linux is free and the Chinese are notoriously cheap.
>>725384897chinese are working on their own software and their goal is to use only domestic ones
>>725384897because loonix is worthlessbecause they have some control over the chinese version of windowsbecause all their machine's software run on windows
>>725376760The Steam Deck
>>725382364Windows is dying, at least for the home users, but they aren't moving to desktop Linux, they're moving to phone Linux, i.e. Android, or iOS.
>>725384897Linux is still american. Chinese want their own software with no string attached to the west at all. Linus also is much easier to tamper with by interest groups than something as lumbering and corporate as windows.
Don't use Linux. Good boys stay on Windows. You aren't wanted on Linux anyways.
As long as my RTX4080 will run I will use Windows 10 IoT LTSC. Than I will buy a AMD GPU and switch to Linux.
>>725384897>>725385575The Chinese are using and contributing to Linux. It's just that they are exactly like the west. They use whatever comes pre installed on their consumer hardware. See deepin as an example of a Chinese Linux distribution.
>>725376760YEAR OF THE LINUX LET'S FUCKING GO THIS IS SO HYPE LINUXISTERS HOW WILL WE CELEBRATE?
>linux trannies set the bar so low they see 3% as a victory while windows has been staying around 95% for years
>>725388224>95%lol
>>725376760proton,steamdeck,steamos,bazzite,cachyos (more or less in that order)but #1 factor is the competition just becoming more and more unbearable
>>725388458try harder tranny
>>725388580>screenshot shows less than 95% lmao
Lots of relative toasters on W10 that don't have TPM modules in some manner on either their mobo or CPU, so they're either holding onto W10 until the end of time, or moved onto Linux since most shit works fine for the most part these days, unless you're an artist or an avid fan of DRM-protected multiplayer games.
>>725388580fedora KDE represented
>>725388972based. k desktop best desktop
>>725377014>99% of people just use the OS their prebuilt came withThere was a push for Windowsless laptops a decade ago as a SKU option. No one wanted them even if it was $50 cheaper due to no Windows license. Hell, the only reason Google managed to make Chromebooks take off was due to a deal with schools.
>>725388772>too retarded to understand the word aroundno wonder you use a botched os for trannies
>boasting about how normalfaggot your OS islol low iq behavior
>>725389108people choose efficient things your snobfaggotry is nothing more than a way to cope with linux being a failure no one wants to use because it's objectively inferior
>>725389038honestly yea so far i have kde on my desktop and silverblue on my laptop and kde mogs gnome hard. kde connect alone is amazing so easy to set up and saves me so much time.
>>725376760Resistance to Pajeetos 11
>>725376760>linuxlollmao even
>>725389084Did you upgrade to Windows 11
>>725376980>I don't know why normies are afraid of it so much.Because Linux refuses to acknowledge that ease of use is paramount for any sort of serious adoption and GUIs are superior to command line for everyday use. Until devs get their heads out of their asses and realize that the term "sudo" should be something only a power user needs to even learn Linux will never have serious use that isn't automated like SteamOS.When it comes to gaming if it requires anything more than double-clicking an .exe file and installing it or clicking "Install" on an installer you've already lost basically everyone who cares. The entire Wine system should be 100% automated with no input from the user required whatsoever, and until that happens you're not going to see people willingly swapping over.That also completely ignores the glaring elephant in the room that is being unable to play extremely popular games on the platform because of the anticheat implementation. It doesn't matter if you dislike how it works, it doesn't matter if it's invasive, and it doesn't matter if it's unnecessary: Normal people do not give a shit. Especially if it requires you to use some workaround or secondary tools like in Genshin Impact that could get your account banned.When it comes to serious usage that isn't related to server management you've also got the issue of industry tools not running on Linux, you have outdated versions of programs on Linux, and you have the inability to run certain programs at all. The Linux counterparts to popular things are also pretty bad. Go use Excel and then use LibreOffice and you'll see that many keybindings or features are wildly different for the worse in LibreOffice, there's nothing even remotely as good as Shadowplay on Linux (No, OBS is not the same in terms of ease of use and overhead and functions differently), and GIMP doesn't even open all windows on your second monitor even if it's located on your second monitor, an issue it's had since 2018.
>>725389348tbf you can use kdeconnect on any desktop environment
>>725377014SO MUCH FUCKING THIS!!! Most people don't FUCKING have a bidet. They immaturely wipe their dry ass with 1 ply tp for a majority of their lives because their toilet 'came like that'. Give them a taste of the bidet and you get a new bideter.
>>725377476the browser you are using right now sees your computer specs without even asking you
>>725376760Unironically Win11 is starting to get on people's nerves. >running a virtual javascript VM for the start menu>can no longer do things you could every edition back to win 95 with moving the toolbar around properly>windows updates KEEP being forced on you at all times unless you're running a modified IoT/LTSC version>copilot embedded in the system """optionally""" saving all your data as snapshotsA lot of people in tech who've been diehard windows types i've noticed have started switching over and only keeping the windows machines for cross-compilation and testing.
>>725377508>>725384050If he can move away from Adobe I don't see why you can't:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm51xZHZI6g
>>725389568>clicking "Install"If you use Steam, this is literally the process for games that work well with Proton. You click install and Steam handles installing and starting Proton for you. On the other hand, I understand why most people who are happy with Windows would stay with it. If you only see your computer as an entertainment and social media machine and don't mind paying for Windows monetarily and with your personal data, there isn't much incentive to switch.I'm pretty amazed at how big desktop Linux has become, largely thanks to Valve, and how amazingly easier it has become to play games on Linux in general. As someone who started using Linux about two decades ago, it's like night and day.
>>725384050dual boot and switch after work is done
>>725376760Dogshit toy OS
fun factlinuxfags only have an issue with windows because they're broke and their computers are garbage all their "windows problems" are just the result of using obsolete hardware, which is why they're not an issue to anyone actually using a computer from this decade
>>725390252factually and verifiably wrong
>>725390012>>running a virtual javascript VM for the start menuIt's even worse than that, it also has to phone home every time you open it or move over a menu-item.
>>725389573when i tried it earlier it didnt work at all, wouldnt find my desktop from my laptop.now i checked it again and it did find it but its not as fully-featured as regular kdeconnect like clipboard sending/sync doesnt work but sending files/remote input works. gnome should really have a kdeconnect equivilent built in if they wanna compete
>>725390076>If you use Steam, this is literally the process for games that work well with Proton.Oh for sure, but as soon as you step out of the Steam environment you're on your own. The Steam Deck/OS lets you install things like Junk Store to make Lutris micromanage it automatically, but Lutris in general is already too many steps for any normal computer user to bother.>I'm pretty amazed at how big desktop Linux has become, largely thanks to ValveDefinitely. I'm someone who wants to use Linux seriously but it's just not all there for me in terms of ease of use, and every time I try, even recently with EndeavourOS, I immediately run into random aspects of the system crashing like KDE, I have no reasonable alternatives to things I use daily like Shadowplay like I mentioned, I want the freedom and good aspects of Arch but I don't like how confusing what I can install is because apparently pacman is not something I should be using compared to the AUR (?), I don't like the hoops I have to jump through for gaming and especially modding, etc.I love Linux on handheld emulation systems and the Steam Deck, but in terms of serious daily driving I dislike it and am willing to put up with Windows' garbage compared to it.
>>725378252wrong + you're retarded
>>725390485ChristDoes it just break without internet now?
>>725390737>gnome should really have a kdeconnect equivilent built in if they wanna competeagreed. it's so nice to share a clipboard between devices, send files from and to. it's a must have in this day and age.
>>725390770>but as soon as you step out of the Steam environment you're on your ownI'm not sure how that differs much from Windows. I play a lot of games from GOG and those that provide proper Linux versions come with an installer that you use just like on Windows. The games that work well with Proton, I also just run the Windows installer through Proton and then start the game through Proton. Proton I just installed from Gentoo's package manager like any other software. There are of course games that don't work well with Proton or wine and as long as desktop Linux isn't properly mainstream it's obviously going to stay that way.>I immediately run into random aspects of the system crashing like KDEI don't use KDE myself, but I installed OpenSUSE with KDE on my mum's computer and she hasn't had any crashing so I can't say I recognise your issues.>because apparently pacman is not something I should be using compared to the AURPacman is the package managing software. AUR are extra packages maintained by random users and not by the Archlinux maintainers. If you install stuff from AUR, there is no quality control and a lot more responsibility ends up on you. I would not recommend a newbie to use Arch in the first place.
>>725376980people dont know what it is for one like you think my mom would know what linux is and why she should use it?
>>725379378yeah this is one of the reasons you'll never have widespread adoption + also your parents hate you
>>725377508Adobe runs better on macOS
>>725390252>all their "windows problems" are just the result of using obsolete hardwareThis PC was new when I installed W11 on it. File Explorer & Search continues to be a worsening piece of shit since W8.
>>725377014This. People aren't installing Windows en masse on 'Ecks or Chromebooks but just using the OS they come with. Normies are actually the prime target for Linux.
>>725376760W11 being an atrocious and unusable piece of shit that can also may or may ot delete your personal files without you knowing.I'm surprised at how high the w11 usage still is.t. W10 22H2 ltsc iot enjoyer
i literally switched to linux last month cuz microshit said my pc can't update to 11
>>725376980>Piano really isn't hard to play.>Admittedly, I play it 8 hours a day every day since I was 12 and I'm also part of a band where we do live performance. But it shouldn't be hard for people to learn it quicklyThis is how you sound.
>>725392325you can install it anyway. it's not like it's going to explode or anything, absolute worst case is it'll finger-wag at you sometime in the far-away future.
I moved from Arch to Windows 10 LTSC about a week ago. It made me realize Linux is ass; I would only use it stripped down/locked up on an handheld device (Google and Valve both knew as much), or at most on a laptop.Linux is a peak time waster. And no, it isn't because of Arch. After install Arch gets out of your way, from my experience, and it doesn't come with any bullshit that tries to obfuscate the "Linuxism" for the sake of "user friendliness". "User friendliness" in Linux world means GUI even more for retarded babies than Windows is, and all it does is make you more unprepared when you inevitably have to open the command line because a program requires it or something bad happened.Gaming on Linux is fine, that's why Valve and a lot of other companies make handheld consoles using Linux as a base OS. You will have to check ProtonDB which is kind of annoying but oh well. The biggest issue with gaming is mods (if you aren't on Deck that makes the filesystem case fold by default) or any weird utilities that hook into the game program. Besides that, it's mostly everything else about the desktop Linux experience that is annoying as hell.
>>725393132>I moved from Arch to Windows 10 LTSC about a week ago.kek
>>725376760year of the linux desktop lmao pathetic windows 11 sucks and people still won't switch over
>>725379125Continue to use consoles for gaming and my iPad for drawing porn. The fuck I need a computer for?
>>725376760Windows 11 24h2/25h2 being unstable buggy shit, windows 10 support ending and all the new ai copilot etc spyware.
>>725388580>3.05% Linux share>top 9 Linux distros add up to 1.08%Does the 'eck make up the remaining 2% or is the 'eck included under Arch?
>>725376980>Linux really isn't hard to use, I don't know why normies are afraid of it so much.Normies don't know what a fucking operating system is, Anon.
>>725393189I've been using Linux since Windows 10 launched and Arch for most of that. I of course started with shit like Mint because Linux shills say it's "just like Windows", which is a complete joke. Arch is the best "regular" distro, it would be my go to if for whatever reason I have to use Linux. But I don't actually like Arch, I tolerated it. I've been hearing for a while that 10 LTSC was Windows (mostly) stripped of the bullshit. I finally came around to trying it and yeah, it is better.
>>725389568This is what Linuxfags will never truly understand. For the average normie, User Experience is the single most important factor - even if they'd never use that term. Your average user doesn't know what a command line is, and does not want to know. They want to be able to click or tap a thing and have it work.
>>725378757>it's the same on windows, the folder is just named "R" (for retarded), and you have less options.>one coherent filesystem where i don't have to worry if i'm saving it on R or M (for Mentally ill) is objectively superior.How do you know which drive you saved it to?
>>725376980my mom has no idea about computers, she only uses a browser and i installed debian wth gnome on her machine without issues. also, it's pretty safe.
>>725393982depends on how you set it up
>>725376760For the first time ever you get higher FPS on Linux than Windows.
>>725376760>What is causing this?ick on eck?
>>725376980>I don't know why normies are afraid of it so much.I think it's because we still haven't gotten past the stereotype of only terminals and what not.Example:I was helping person A install a mod on Arch linux and another guy, person b, was in the call too. Person b was surprised arch linux had a desktop environment and wasn't aware of Arch+KDE and thought it was only a terminal screen. Person B is a developer and tech supports said mod on Windows BTW.
Still not using linux
>>725380970I wear it :3
>>725376760>What is causing this?jeets have turned windows into absolute festering shit, i've got the normiest of fucking normies asking me for help to get onto linux, especially anyone trying to run a business. Windows 10 has literally been the most disasterous OS imaginable for productivity and business.
>>725376980The average person can barely operate a computer beyond a web browser. They still think that Linux is operated mainly by command line.
>>725376760Have you try win*ows recently?That might explain itAlso WTF is this shit
>friend gifts me a fast, spacious ssd to install windows 11 on (i use 7)>don't really want to use 11, or really 10 for that matter>clueless when it comes to linuxwhat do
>>725395182Install CachyOS
>>725395182/thread
>>725395182install gentoo and have fun
>>725395182Install more games for 7 obviously you numpty.
>>725376980You can brick your install if you don't read up what specific packages do and upgrade/downgrade them and most people probably won't bother reading 100 man pages
>>725395182linux from scratch is good for beginners
>>725395295Okay, now what?
>>725395205>>725395272>>725395295>>725395454>all different answersth-thanks>>725395343some arbitrarily don't work and steam has been retarded lately
>>725395182you know what to do
>>725376980Theres just too many basic things that are not available for Linux. The big one being MS Office and no, LibreOffice does not replace it, not even close.
>>725395684no, i don't
>>725395562choose Mint or CachyOS. generally speaking, Mint is more stable (less updates), CachyOS more unstable (more updates, newer stuff).
>>725381110arch fags are bitching about anything 24/7. >>725376980MS got a cultural victory by giving windows for free for 30 years straight. people start using windows and ms utilities since they're 6yo and enter schoolMacOS and Linux increasing in number by any year before w11 is already a fucking miracle
>>725376760Okay hold up now. I made a thread a week ago talking about using Windows 11 on Steam and I was immediately banned for being "off topic" yet doing the same exact shit but with Linux is somehow okay?I just don't like the hypocrisy.
>>725395936You were shilling, OP is not
>>725378591Depends on your usage. For exploring you can just use dolphin and it'll prioritise drives. Most programs now use the same ui elements of drive priority too. Think there's only 3 apps i got that still do it the old way.Why do i feel like some retards pick the most opaque poweruser distros and are like "why do I have to be hackerman to understand this"You realise you can gear windows to be that obtuse as well? Everything in command lines, all that shit. But it's just geared towards people who want to click and play. Not every Linux version is like that but a large portion of them are. Long as you know your limits and don't try to swim in the deep end out of ego, Linux is fine.And Windows is especially retarded lately, dumping a bunch of volume info on everything even before you've mounted shit, and it still fucks it up. It's like it hates peripherals not made by Microsoft too. I'm having less trouble with nobara than i was with Windows. Unless it's made specifically to not work with Linux, it generally works out of the box these days.It's as complicated as you want it to be. But if you like Microsoft telling you what you like and what you can access, fine. But it's stability is definitely going downhill while Linux keeps improving.
Microsoft has fucked up something serious with the last i think 4 updates the latest one being task manager opening more and more copies of its self when you try to close it so its pissing off users and causing them to lose faith in the future of windows if windows 12 is subscription based i think that will be many peoples last straw cause the fuck you mean i must pay monthly to boot my machine?
>>725395998So it's just being a hypocrite? Got it
>>725376760Modern Windows is shite.
>>725395836non meme answer.Pick a beginner distro PopOs/Mint/ZorinOS/Mx Linux/manjaro whateverDownlad the proper ISO file (64-bit most likely)Format a usb drive and make it bootable. (Rufus/Balena Etcher)Or use ventoy.Put the isos inside the drive.Tell your bios to boot from said drive.Test or proceed with the installer of your chosen distro.make a backup of important files to some other drive beforehand though.If you try to dualboot you will fail. All or nothing. You can reinstall win7/10/11 later if you decide linux is not for you.
>>725385554iOS is Unix, not Linux.>>725393132>Gaming on Linux is fineNot as good as it should be desu. Probably won't be until the usage share is at least 20%.
>>725376980when I sudo apt install something on mint, where is it installed to? This isn't a gotya moment I literally do not know
>>725396787are you asking so you know how to run it? or do you just like to know where things go in your PC?
>>725396787/usr/bin usually or possibly /usr/local/bin but if following "convention", it's the former
>>725376760You should move to Linux only if your PC is incompatible with Win 11. Otherwise, Win is still superior for just about everything and also viable for coding.
>>725396787https://askubuntu.com/questions/408784/after-doing-a-sudo-apt-get-install-app-where-does-the-application-get-stored
>>725396726>If you try to dualboot you will fail. All or nothing.thanks for the response. why is this though?
>>725376760Win 10 died and win 11 is win 11. Shit ain't hard to understand, anon.
>>725396785>iOS is Unix, not Linux.I didn't mean iOS was Linux only that Android was Linux and if we're going to be a bit pedantic, MacOS has parts from FreeBSD and NetBSD, but they aren't Unix either, they're just "Unix-likes".
>>725396950now if only Microsoft could go a week without breaking something cause of AI coding
>>725397004It's not intrinsically more complicated but as a newbie I remember it was harder for me to get it "right" than a simple clean install.You have to configure the bootloader, probably grub, but there are others, to allow multiple OSes, usually the installer handles it for you but is easy to mess it up and leave one inaccessible.
>>725397536thanks. i do have a separate ssd for windows, this new one is for whatever. why would installing linux on drive B make drive A unusable?
>>725377669>>725377669The way shit's named and organized is not intuitive at all. Someone who hasn't actually *studied* what things are for could make some very wrong assumptions:bin - where you put things you want to deletemedia - photos, videos, musicdev - development toolsusr - the user's files actually used to be the case, before they started using home insteadStill, I'd rather cope with this nonsense than deal with Windows' increasing authoritarian hostility.
>>725376980>>725376980Anon, current day zoomers have issues using a keyboard
>>725397734as a non-power user, when do you need access to anything but /home/?
>>725396787Things installed by your package manager will put files into /usr/lib, /usr/bin, and other folders that aren't worth explaining because you don't need to know. For any program meant to be used on the command line, the location of the executable e.g. /usr/bin will be in your shell's $PATH so that you can just type the name and not the full location. Meanwhile, any program meant to be launched from the menu should come with a desktop entry that your package manager will install for you so that the program has a shortcut in the menu. When you want to uninstall the program, the package manager will do that for you as well. I severely doubt that you have a good reason to be manually poking at those files, and if you think otherwise, you're probably about to fuck up your shit and then blame Linux for it. Go ahead and read up on the Linux file system hierarchy structure if you're going to be manually installing things to root-owned folders for some ungodly reason, but if you just want to install games or something, you shouldn't be trying to put them in the same folders used by system packages. If you're typing sudo for anything but a package manager, and you're not a power user, you're probably fucking up.
>>725397702the bootloader might not be able to find the windows drive if it's not configured right.But don't let it scare you nowadays the installers are usually pretty good and mostly automatic, they should be able to find a preexisting windows install and respect it. But I haven't done that kind of setup in a while and I don't know how retard-proof is now.
>>725385917im cooming
>>725397840whenever Arch decides to fuck itself
>>725397281Never happened to me or anyone I know but ok
>>725397734>actually used to be the case, before they started using home insteadSmall nitpick, but it was /usr/home.I find this a silly complaint. If you are a normal user, you should stay in your home directory. If you have admin permissions and start messing with files you normally aren't allowed to mess with, you are expected to know what you are doing. As a normal user, none of those directories should allow you to remove or create files in them. Every graphical file browser I have seen plops you down straight in your home directory and you don't really need to know anything outside of it unless you're curious.
I'm going to actually answer the question.Windows has been plagued by the fact that it holds a monopoly over PC gaming ever since XP. The fact that Mac never really took off caused Windows (And by extension Microsoft) to become complacent.Due to this, they started doing dumb shit for money. This includes:>Cloud storage that you used to have to fight tooth and nail to disable>DRM solutions that actively bricked your games (GFWL)>AI built into the OS that eats resources>Loss of customization optionsNow all of a sudden you have an OS that's been available but useless suddenly becoming useful because people hit their breaking point.The only thing currently holding the gate closed and keeping Microsoft big in the niche is Nvidia, but people are quickly flipping them off and either switching to AMD or actively forcing them to fix their shit so it works on Linux.The second an Nvidia driver drops that doesn't have the DX12 bug, we'll see that number grow well beyond 3%.
>>725397774I'd laugh at them but then I remember the time I spent 5 minutes trying to open a disk drive on a mac, focusing only on the drive itself and not the keyboard because who the fuck puts a thing which opens something not on the thing itself? Are the knobs for ever door in Apples HQ on the opposite wall? Fuck product engineers.
>>725389070>There was a push for Windowsless laptops a decade ago as a SKU optionIs that not a thing anymore? It's still very common in my country. And the shops will install cracked Windows and Office for you, if you ask.
>>725398219>as a non-power user>arch
>>725376980This.Just download Mint/Bazzite and enjoy a retard-proof hassle free experience that installs in 1/10th of the time windows does and updates in 1/100th of the time only when you want it to.
>>725398339To be fair, it was pretty retarded on Apple's part to market their machines as multimedia devices and NOT include gaming.
>>725398219He said non-power user. What is such a person doing on a distro that fucks itself? And how is such a person ever going to unfuck it?
>wah wah anon why are you not using linux!!!Because I have to use my PC to work.And in my career Microsoft Word is a basic necessity.>but we have so many alternatives!!!Yes but I can't work on the same file as a colleague simultaneously with them. Also if I write a file in that "alternative" and send it to a colleague, the file he opens will look completely different. Also I won't be able to use scripts.People that have actual jobs can't use Linux. Get over it.
>>725397840This might help.Haven't tested myself tough.https://linuxbsdos.com/2025/03/20/dual-boot-windows-11-linux-mint-22-pc-2-drives/
>>725389070I worked in schools as an IT for 6 years, and you are not wrong. We would buy thousands of Chromebooks for kids to use because we had more control over them.
>>725393132I agree. It's still nice to have it as an option but there's still more to be desired from the OS. My ranking in 2025 remains the sameWin > Lin > Mac
>>725389378Mate, I have to tinker with W11 by downloading winaerotweaker to get rid of the bloat and also uninstall a ton of bloat seperately just to make it usable out of the box.Linux and steam deck quite literally don't make you do this.
>>725398636sudo pacman -Syuhas been noknw to fuck things up on occassion
It sounds like anti-cheat stuff is the big hurdle, which admittedly is a big chunk of popular games. Proton's pretty crazy, I switched to linux over a decade ago and basically gave up on gaming as a trade off, now I can play all kinds of stuff.
Never realized how shit Windows was until I started using Linux. I honestly despise using Windows now. I keep a dualboot around just in case. But I'll do everything I can before resorting to using it.
>>725398339>The only thing currently holding the gate closed and keeping Microsoft big in the niche is NvidiaNot anticheat?
>>725398690LibreOffice is a decent enough Word alternative. But then you run into the other 99% of work-related programs that either don't work, or the freeware knockoffs just don't get the job done. Linux to me is a hobby OS. A good one, but not the swiss army knife Windows (unfortunately or not) still is.
>>725398056thank ya
>>725398715at that point you're following a tutorial that explains everything you need to know.a normal user does not need to know what /bin/ is. at MOST /etc/ for system wide configuration files.
I switched to Mint and I love it. Tried Cachy though and I seriously regret it. Tried to plug in a USB drive I use as general storage and found out it won't even mount by itself, like this is the case for every other OS on the planet, you plug it in and it's automatically mounted. Not here.Had to spend a fucking hour researching and fucking around with this fstab file. And when I had it figured out, I couldn't even download files from firefox to the mounted drive, the download would fail every time. I went back to Mint ASAP, it actually doesn't look and feel like an amateur hackjob of an OS.
>>725377157>cmd.exe move "source" "destination" /ywoah that was hard!
>>725398883LibreOffice is straight shit. Tried using it for my uni, and opted to learn LaTeX instead. It's just incredibly buggy.
>>725398883>Linux to me is a hobby OS. A good one, but not the swiss army knife Windows (unfortunately or not) still is.This, I consider dual booting it but only after I get a new ssd.Probably dumb question but if I ever dual boot Linux, will I be able to run games installed on the windows partition? (with the windows emulator or whatever)
>>725398690>People that have actual jobs can't use Linux. Get over it.I don't care if you use Windows, but this is blatantly false. I only use Linux at work and there are many industries where having a Linux computer is normal.
>>725376760>can play everything the steam deck can and moreLinux bros.. it ain't lookin too swell
>>725398935sorry, meant to quote the anon doing the dualboot install.>>725397702
>>725399059i haven't tested but it there's nothing that speaks against mounting the windows partition and executing the .EXE with wine/proton
>>725399127That's just wrong
>>725398845I own a total of two games that don't work on Linux due to anticheat.I have a library of over 500 steam games.Yes, some people ONLY play Fortnite and will thus be stuck on Windows.The majority of people aren't 12 years old.
>>725399059>will I be able to run games installed on the windows partitionYes, but it's kinda buggy at times. NTFS isn't supported very well by Linux since significantly better filesystems exist.
Only trannies use Linux
>>725399186thanky
>>725399354only fags use windows
>>725399223Why would I lie to you? Do you know how many embedded systems run Linux? How many defence related systems run Linux? Just have a look at these recent news from Germany, where they are even switching to Linux + LibreOffice for their state administration: https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2024/04/04/german-state-moving-30000-pcs-to-libreoffice/
>>725376760steam deck proved that linux is a viable alternative which was gabens plan all along and windows 11 is really fucking ass, man.
>>725388458>14.27% OS X>4.15% macOSwhat year is this from?
simple as
>>725399136>gets a 30% performance boost when you install Linux on it insteadWinsissies...
>>725399492I mean it does help that Linux is free and infinitely more customizable. At the same time, with a library like that of Steam's, it would be too much of a hassle for them to make their own OS like Nintendo.
>>725398806You didn't read
>>725399646>suddenly can't play half the available catalog30 percentile sisters...
>>725398690>Because I have to use my PC to work.>And in my career Microsoft Word is a basic necessity.I use microsoft office shit through a web browser on my linux pc just like I do on the windows pc at work. People always kvetch about the normie shit but Linux has all that done pretty well for it since fucking everything is in a chromium wrapper now anyway. It seems to be the more technical and specific stuff that really tends to trip people up, ironically enough.
>>725399663valve dont care about making their own OS.they just care about gaming not being 100% tied to windows.thats why they pump money into proton development and set up the steam deck as a trojan horse.
>>725399281>>725399218>>725399059I happen to have experience with thisYes you can have a NFTS Steam Library that works for both Linux and WindowsNo you can't just utilize whatever you are already using now, you need to set it up from scratchSeriously setting this shit up is extremely complex and I relied on a gigantic guide I found on reddit somewhereLesson of the day is: don't mess with Linux unless you have a lot of free time. It's not worth it. If the games run on Windows you don't need to make them run on Linux, it's retarded. Some games might run better, others might not, at the end of the day it's a futile exercise.
Admittedly, a lot of people don't know about LTSC. I honestly feel bad for people that actually use any version of windows but LTSC. All those weird problems people experienced over the years never applied to me.
>>725399136I.. I have no comeback. You win.
Linux looks less cluttered and is actually usable without AI shit
>>725376980Part of it is propeganda from Microsoft and their bots. Part ofnit is "no its not hard to learn, but I dont want to learn"It's telling someone pasta sauce is better if you spice it and put your own veggies in it instead of buying it all premade in a can. They don't initially see anything beyond the extra work
>>725399846>they just care about gaming not being 100% tied to windowsAs long as the revenue is coming, I don't think they care. Doing a deal with Microsoft on the Steam Deck just wouldn't be as profitable.I know Gaben wants to accelerate Linux's gaming capabilities but they're definitely not ignoring the bulk of their paying customers who are on Windows either.
>>725399926>shows a windows 11 desktop without any of the desktop iconswew
>>725400104why don't you take another look at that taskbar anon
>>725399846I've read some speculation that they are scared MS will start locking Windows down like mobile phones have. Requiring payments to go through their app store, forcing Valve to share revenue with them. If this holds any water, I don't know.
>>725400019they absolutely care because microsoft is a jewish-indian hell company who could start messing with steam any day to push their own shit instead.its insurance for the worst case scenario. of course they want to make business with windows users for as long as they can but they want to have a fall back in case shit actually hits the fan.
>>725400203yeah you're right, you literally can't do any of that on windows
>>725399960>no its not hard to learnIt can be, depending on what you want to do. Meanwhile, Windows literally just werks outta the box.
>>725397004>>725397536This is all wrong.I have CachyOS installed all on its own. I need Windows for something so I resized my SSD and simply booted a Windows install and installed it on that partition.Didn't configure shit. After rebooting Windows 11 was neatly placed in my systemd boot screen along with CachyOS. Complete hassle-free.
>>725400239nobody knows, not even valve. they just want to not get caught with their pants down if things really go south.it gives them security and even leverage. its a smart idea.
>>725395562Personally i'd go with Linux Mint or EndeavourOS. Regardless of what you use though setup btrfs and Timeshift. That way if you do actually screw up your install you can just roll it back and get it working again without issue removing one of the major issues of relying on distros to update correctly.
>>725398690ThisI wish some of the faggots in silicon valley would make an actual Photoshop/Lightroom alternative instead of pouring 50 billion dollars into an AI-powered Discord clone exclusively used by human traffickers
>>725376980Linux is pretty damn hard to use and I've also used multiple distros on a daily basis for years.On Windows there have only been a handful of times i've needed to go online to check how to do something or change a setting.On Linux it is constant, nearly everything requires a multi-step process and some obscure command or editing a random config file with a specific string that you could never do without a guide.The only way you are not looking up commands and editing config files is if you only use it for text and web browsing.Isn't realistic for normalfags to do all this when it can take professional software people hours.If they want normalfags to use it Linux devs need to stop being faggots and improve QOL instead of making excuses and saying: "git gud", "It's my damn code and i'll do what it the way I want chud!" "you didn't pay anything what do you expect?", etc.
>>725400249For an allegedly jewish company, they do a pretty good job of offering the same content cheaper than Sony, Nintendo, and sometimes even Steam too.You could lay out the same arguments for any big company but there's a price to pay when you use free or community-made software as opposed to such that was made by a company.
>>725377526They talk about steam specific you fucking troglodyte. As if chinks need to use steam for their games, they can just pirate it or use their own shit like tencent games.Also, the 3% of users are people who went out of their way to use Linux. Most Windows users are just normies who don't know any better or pajeets with their 1.6+ billion population.
>>725400372>Windows literally just werks outta the boxI'm not saying Linux is perfect, but this is blatantly false. The number of times I have helped people unfuck drivers and weird shit they have done to their Windows computers is very high. People just think it "just works" because it's what they know so they know how to fix common issues.
>>725400282>>725400104It was meant as an example of how it's not so different to old windows (7, my beloved) you can overcomplicate it as much as you want later but it won't come forced by Microshit.
>>725397734So i have 8 physical drives, 2 nvme, 3 basic ssd and 3 hdd, how do i make this piece of shit file system install what i want on the drive i want?
>>725398690Is it normal to use your own PC at your job?My work PC is a completely separate machine that is provided by work. Obviously it has Windows on it like everyone else at work, but why would I do work on my personal computer? That one is for games and it has Linux.
>>725376760NVIDIA finally fixing some year long bugs with black screen and sleep on linux. KDE has also been stable and works without almost no issues.I installed windows on another drive a week ago for VR. I don't understand how the install can take almost an hour. I think it rebooted 6 times during the install.
>>725400576You have to be pretty tech illiterate to have issues with Windows. Which I know applies to most people but still. Show me some regular Joe acing Arch Linux on the first try.
>>725400282Show me Windows doing pic related.
>>725399059>will I be able to run games installed on the windows partition?Kinda, yeah, but as this guy found out>>725399859>Seriously setting this shit up is extremely complex>don't mess with Linux unless you have a lot of free timeIt's not really worth it. Just copy them over to your linux filesystem if you want to be lazy. It's amazing seeing people go out of their way to make things harder on themselves then complain about it being hard.
>>725400698That sure looks useful and not just some eye candy pixel art
>>725398978I had issues mounting USB drives last week, or two weeks ago.Now it just works. Probably a borked package somewhere that has since been fixed. Such is life on rolling release distros. It's quite literally what you sign up for, and is the price to pay for the latest updates.Personally I think that price is worth it.
>>725400539holy shit a live MS shill
>>725399846>>725400239>>725400427>zoomers don't remember MSFT starting to lock down Windows 8Valve wouldn't give a shit about Linux if Microsoft would have played nice. They showed their true colors with Windows 8. Rest is history.
>>725400695>Show me some regular Joe acing Arch Linux on the first try.A regular Joe shouldn't be installing Arch Linux. I don't know how Arch fanboys managed to meme so many into installing it as their first distro. They should use Bazzite, Mint or something else that holds your hand more. Then we can also start thinking about how many average Joes are capable of even installing Windows.
>>725400420Glad to hear it's come this far.Like I said haven't used windows in years and with some other distro besides CachyOS it might work slightly differently. IMO it's easier to do a clean install of either windows or linux that uses all the resources of a machine than try to dual boot if you absolutely need windows for anything you could always spin up a virtual machine.
>>725400817>continues buying games from big companies
>>725400698this is so pajeet coded
>>725400698ok, now start a web browser so I can actually work
>>725376760I talk with zoomers online often and the ones who are actually tech savvy are actually really open to linux, they're constantly pushing people to try this or that distro in a way that I've never seen outside of 4chanwith Windows getting worse and worse and tech becoming more decentralized/surveillance oriented in general, the benefits of switching are growing slowly but surely
>>725400872>resourcesIt's just some storage anon. You're not dedicating compute powers to the OS you didn't boot to.>VMDepending on your task this is probably not a viable option. Whatever you need to do in Windows that can be done in a VM can probably be done on Linux already.
>>725401076>more decentralizedcentralized* whoops
>>725400828Sorry, I have the opposite problem. I haven't actively used Windows since Windows 7 so my knowledge on current Windows is pretty lacking.
>console wars: OS editionJust as dumb as anything else. Just use what you like. You're still filling the pockets of the people who make the hardware.Also, Apple are the surveillance kings. Guess what though? No one actually gives a shit about you or your life and everyone that is online is already being "recorded" and has been for years.
>>725401076I thought Zoomers couldn't into PCs?They all grew up with ipads and phones as their main devices so they never had to learn PCs.
Linux fags, the guys who were supposed to be obsessed with freedom and open sauce are shilling fucking steam; a literal drm store.How far they have fallen
>>725401191not reading all that + still wouldn't care even if I did
>>725401328troonix user not being contradicted challenge: impossible
>>725401283a lot of these people are coders/amateur gamedevs so it's not a representative sample
>>725401310No one here is shilling anything but only a retard wouldn't acknowledge that Linux for games has only gotten to where it is now thanks to Valve.And using Proton is much easier if done through Steam.
>>725401283In the not so far future, our own brains/bodes will be the PCs. VR will be something you plug into wherever and whenever you like.
>>725401089I was just trying to ease up the install process but at the end of the day you can set it up however it suits you, that's the beauty of it.
>>725376760windows 11. I didn't spend 3k on upgrades to future proof PC, only for it to be bogged down by a shit OS. windows 10 was supposed to be the LAST windows. so also, fuck the anti consumer bullshit. The moment games stop working on W10, I install linux.
>>725401310Goldberg.>b-but- Gold. Berg.
>>725401283People in general can't into PCs. I would bet a lot of us grew up being our families' and friends' go to tech support, Zoomer or not.
>>725399764>linux can only play the games that are actually goodWinsissies...
The last time I daily drove linux was 16 years ago with Ubuntu but now I'll have to be a tranny to use it and that's a tough transition.
>>725401191
>>725401631>The moment games stop working on W10, I install linux.By then, a lot more progress will likely (hopefully) be made on the Linux front. You're probably under the impression that people have company favoritism when it comes to Windows/Microsoft but that's not really the case. The fact of the matter is that Windows works (unless you're 'tarded in which case Linux will be even more difficult for you). When Linux has the same level of optimization and overall support from the tech world, it will earn its place as the number 1 OS.Until then, the bulk of people will stay on Windows in spite of the surveillance fear-mongering that has yet to translate into any actual IRL problems. Even Apple who have been doing this shit longer were hesitant over the moral implications of unlocking an iPhone to locate a criminal once.
>>725401971who the fuck looks at this thing and goes yeah this is totally something I want every time I try to use my pc
>>725401480>>725401737Anon, valve is a cutthroat business. Gabe owns dozens of yachts for fuck's sake. The guys at valve are selfish little fucks who only care about their profits just like every other corpo ever.They want Linux because they are paranoid that Microsoft might cuck them in the future or something. They are rent seekers, scammers, thieves trying to control their little worlds. I know /v/ is obsessed with console war tribalism and want to have their little "my billionaire is good you billionaire is bad" fights but I am pretty sure you faggots missed all those memes 15 years ago were in fact ironic as in we didn't mean it. We don't actually worship a fat fucking jew who tried to push paid mods.What do you even want for linux? For it to get bombarded with rent seeking corpos like valve? Did you even think this through?
>celebrating 3% kek
>>725376760I was holding out because i use vr, but i heard steam link works with linux now
>>725401872But SteamDeck can't play the entire GOG catalog?
No more Windows for me after 10. Another solid example if that if you become too big, then you can only fail
>>725402176?
>>725402259It can't. It's not nearly as backwards compatible as a windows machine even ignoring platforms like GOG which were built around this idea, and that SteamDeck isn't yet fully compatible with.
>>725402105So your only example of Valve being bad is that they tried paid mods, which wasn't even a bad thing?
>>725402176>But SteamDeck can't play the entire GOG catalog?Since when can Windows not play the entire GOG catalog?
>>725402186The 7 argument I can kind of understand, but 11 is better than 10. People just hate Copilot even though AI tools (generally, not copilot in particular) are unironically useful in 2025 for a variety of tasks and can even earn you money.
As someone with a cs degree I don't get why people use LinuxI get why people use Windows and I get why people use Mac Using Linux, on the other hand, doesn't make sense
>>725377508actually my friend does music production on linux and has for over a decade
>>725402105part of freedom is the option to run everything you want.your gay sperg FOSS obsession is a jail cell of your own making.>>725402384Ive been running 25+ year old games on my steam deck including niche corea mmos on private servers the only shit that didnt work was kernel level anti cheat faggotry.
>>725402498It can. SteamDeck can't.
>>725402105I uh, really don't care what you have to say about this, sorry. Stay on Windows and keep posting your reaction images into the void. I'll keep using Linux and cracking my own games, at least anything worth playing. If that constitutes sucking gabe's dick, then so be it, it's better than the alternatives.
>>725402562>part of freedom is the option to run everything you wantYou can't do that on Linux. Otherwise the usage share would be much higher. It would be good for everyone (including Windows users) to have an alternative that is just as good or better, but it's not there yet.
>>725402730waste of time faggot
>>725402176Use Heroic to play Windows games from Gog and Epic.
>>725402105>"my billionaire is good you billionaire is bad"correct.cope and seethe, nigger.
>>725402604The Steam Deck can run Windows, though?
>>725402515>but 11 is better than 10.This has absolutely no reason other than they sabotage the OS with bloatware slop updates and other means. There is nothing in 11 that is necessary that is in 10.
>>725402875Windows le bad though
>>725402940>Windows le bad thoughFor performance, sure. But that doesn't matter for GOG games, so just dual boot into Windows when you want to run the few games Linux can't?
>>725402929Win 11 is just 10 with more features like improved multitasking. There are some misses such as the right click options, but the old ones are still available for those who prefer them. There's nothing Win 11 can't do that any OS that came before it did.
>>725402089I hope valve speeds the process up and does something linux based. it seems like it would be financially beneficial for them but I also have no inside knowledge on that part of the tech world. pls gaben.
>>725403058>just dual boot into WindowsBut aren't I jeopardizing myself that way?
>>725403083>but the old ones are still available for those who prefer them.they just announced that they are removing that lmao.I use windows11 at work its terrible. Doesnt even let you "Open with" editor anymore.
>>725400539Cheaper =/= better. Xbox is comparatively one of the least greedy game platforms and it still didn't help with the console's market share.
>>725403192>But aren't I jeopardizing myself that way?In the sense that you'd be using a tranny OS like Windows and it might turn you into a tranny? Yes, that's a real risk you're going to have to consider. Life is all about trade offs.
>>725376980Linux doesn't have an inherent advantage, killer apps, nor marketing. However, now that Windows has fully turned into a buggy Unit 8200 botnet more see the advantages of Linux.
>>725403321Because it doesn't have as many appealing exclusives as Sony or Nintendo.
>>725403339In other words you need Windows for something that Linux simply can't do.
>>725378591>getting filtered by mount
>>725403287>Doesnt even let you "Open with" editor anymore.Wdym?
>>725402549my condolences
>>725399016Your xcopy lil bro?
>>725403452Well I wouldn't personally say that turning into a tranny is something you NEED..
>>725400019He cares about both. Gaben is literally an ex-Microsoft employee who was instrumental in popularizing the system as game-capable following DOS.
>>725403321PajeetSoft is an aggressively evil company. They have been pretending to play nice lately but most people either don't forget the insane bullshit of the past, or the present moves that are insidiously evil. Normies might not notice it, but anyone paying attention does.
>>725403534right click, open with doesnt let me select the standard windows text editor anymore.and when I tried to add it by maneuvering to the windows folder its in it said thats forbidden.
>>725403564Yes, lest we forget all of the people who were using Windows in 95 and trooned out.
>>725403083Again, windows fucking sucks now and the only reason people care about it is software support like games and adobe-trash. If it's up to MS, they will take control away from your PC and continually spy on you.
>>725403649Notepad?
>>725403785yes that one.
>>725403774But you're being spied on right now. What you just typed is in an archive forever.What of it? Can you show me an IRL example of Windows "spying" on someone and something bad happening to them?
The poojeets at microsoft pushed the enshittyfication too far with windows 11. All they had to do was nothing and everyone would have been happy sticking with windows.
>>725403857Must be a company imposed limitation on your work PC, I can do that just fine
>>725403931They literally have a function that takes screenshots to ''help'' you. Whether or not they disabled it doesn't matter. It's what they want, so now they try'll with AI.
>>725403998its possible. or I have some different version.
>>725404038That has more to do with AI than surveillance for the sake of seeing what some 90 year old on a Windows machine is googling. They want to make it as advanced as possible and that's part of its training,
>>725389378Im generally a windows nigga and i've never once had to tweak anything on my deck. If it said it worked in steam it played fine.
jeets here can cope and sneed about linux being for troons all they want but when the OS their smugly defending is breaking down every other week in new bizarre ways due to their dogshit attempts at using ai to code updates for them, it makes sense were seeing a one percent increase every time we get a new little fuck-up where all your a data is accidentally locked behind a bitlocker with no recovery code
>>725404645What the fuuuuck?How is this legal!?
>>725404645>is breaking down every other weeIn other words, nuWindows is Linux coded.Thanks for describing what I lacked the words for. (although the interface is kind of Mac-ish)
>>725376980>I don't know why normies are afraid of it so much.They aren't.You ask anyone in the linux scene that knows their shit and they'll just tell you straight up, nearly everyone can't be bothered with installing their own OS.No, it doesn't matter how easy it is, how free it is or how little impact it would have on them using a computer.Microsoft is having the same issue with Windows right now because they can't really sell people on "needing" a new computer and they can't force people to update.
>>725404645linux trannies can cherry pick nonissues all they want95% of people are using windows and you can't fool them into believing into issues they're never facing
>>725400810I will say, I do have a problem with Mint even where I use a 4k TV as four 1080p monitors essentially. I like to play all my games on window mode. However, there's an issue related to the cinnamon desktop environment or something that causes games to report they're 60fps locked, but you can easily tell the framerate is not holding up and frequently dipping for periods of time. Browser navigation (scrolling up and down pages) also becomes very laggy and the only fix there is to disable hardware acceleration, which I don't feel is ideal.This issue seemingly didn't exist on Cachy so there's that, I could run as many things on windowed mode without any framerate or performance dips.
>>725404781>oh what an example of serious issues?>yeah well no u(you)r reddit gold sir
Bazzite OS is doing performance miracles with my old nvidia gtx 1050 ti, feels good playing all the modern stuff I want at 720p without caring about Windows or viruses.Even Persona 5 The Phantom X is running at max graphics someway. I only had issues with Silent Hill 2 Remake, but I heard the original game had tons of problems even in the PS5.You just need to learn about ge-proton and how to use Lutris.
>>725404645>Windows is now ransomwareLMFAO
>>725376760I'll come back to the Linux drive when I get an AMD GPU (Nvidia is shit on Linux and anybody who says otherwise is just coping)
>>725404645>breaking down every other week in new bizarre waysI haven't stopped laughing at the fact that they pushed an update that straight up just deleted peoples files from my documents.I'm convinced jeets are a bioweapon that has been intentionally unleashed to destroy the planet, everything they touch turns to shit
>>725405078Nice pic, did you get it off https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/ ?
>>725405438>I haven't stopped laughing at the fact that they pushed an update that straight up just deleted peoples files from my documents.That was years ago retard.
>>725377508If only booting to separate drives for work and play was a thing
>>725405560>hes still trying to "no u"lmao
>>725405680trans coded image
>>725401209/thread(but fuck mac os)
>>725377030if Touko died, so can you, shitty brat!
>>725401209what if I run for a political office? am I fucked?
>>725405412>AMDThe company that never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity. They could be the Nvidia killer they were destined to be, but for some reason they're compelled to follow whatever bullshit Nvidia does, like the recent announcement of "maintenance mode" for 2-3 year old fucking cards.At this point the hardware is just as cucked as the various OSs are.
I bought a game (Magicka) on my Ubuntu 24.0 laptop and it won't run. Pls halp.
>>725406470it's not a linux thing, magicka doesn't work on any computerdevs pushed an update that broke everything before abandoning the game
>>725406765well darn
Linux is more fun to use if you have autism.Autism is on the raise so Linux popularity will raise as well.
>>725407767Only if you have high functioning autism.Most autists are not high-functioning, and the form of autism that's on the rise is also not the high-functioning variety.
>>725376760Test
>>725401209If they don't five a shit about us then why record us?
>>725393995look into immutable distros like fedora silverblue, they are perfect for mom-proofing the pc
>>725405020I went from Mint to CachyOS because Mint has a ton of these smaller issues. Cachy with KDE genuinely feels more stable, and I've used Arch in the past anyway.
Should I jump to Bazzite or Nobara if I'm on Mint? I kinda feel like I'm missing out.
>>725410820Only if you feel like Mint is holding you back.
>>725377612Valve made the correct choice with proton. Devs were never going to support linux, despite it being the superior OS and they were never going to make serious linux ports. The only native linux ports I can think of are borderlands 2 and don't starve.DXVK and translation works better with less bugs for 99% of games and companies literally cant stop it.
>>725411824Terraria has a pretty good linux version, but some of the code regarding dye renders has been broken for a while and they seemingly haven't noticed.
>>725410820You should use debian with bazaar and flatpak as your forever distro and only use AMD. Sorry but those people who want to use linux seriously will use alternatives that are supported.Youre going to have to learn eventually that linux is not windows, and you're going to have to use it as linux not with a GUI helper. Fundamentally linux distros can TRY to GUI'ize everything but its kinda pointless. Linux is based on the terminal. Bazaar and flatpak GUI is fine but you should really learn how to use sudo apt update and stop distro hopping,
>>725411824>The only native linux ports I can think of are borderlands 2 and don't starve.There are quite a few. We even got native Linux support through the remastered versions of old classics like Baldur's Gate and PS:T. It's easy to filter on Linux only on GOG.
>>725412273Debian is unironically terrible and you should feel bad for recommending it for gaming.It is by design extremely outdated, which is the last thing you want when focusing on video games.
>>725376760they’ve been trying to mass produce trannies for years now, its logical their numbers would eventually grow.
>>725412572Flatpak has up to date runtime for the latest mesa version and drivers. Steam flatpak literally uses the latest mesa. Its literally bleeding edge. As for the kernel if you have newer hardware like anything older than a 7900XTX then you should just use backports kernel 6.15 or some shit.
>>725376760it just works
>>725381164>what distro did you use?>some hyper sperg system admin hobbiest distroevery time
>>725401191so is Hyprland the true chud wm?
>>725402527It’s a good server os, that’s about it. Even Torvalds himself has stated that Linux has failed as a desktop os.
>>725405020Maybe give Manjaro a try? It's still Arch under the hood but it's more pre-built like Mint.
>>725394570You shouldn't be wearing anything whore
EVERY fucking distro is the samethey just come with a different package manager and some random shit preinstalleddont bother with linux if you play multiplayer games cause the most popular anti cheat games dont workyou should also be aware that EVERY game needs to be fixed, just picking the latest proton and clicking play rarely works
>>725376760If Adobe releases their suite of apps on Linux then it's over for Windows really, the only thing Linux lacks is professional editing software.
>>725377014If steam or somebody started pushing out linux laptops people would use them. Most people just browse facebook/youtube/email anyways.
>>725413596>adobelol
>>725379052Sam's Club tried that for a short period of time 20+ years ago, dunno if they ever sold or not as i was still a kid back then but i know it didn't last too long.
You can tell these numbers are real since we've been getting genuine Windows shills this year. And boy, are they desperate and persistent.
>>725377961Debatable. Ultimately, a file system is just an abstraction used to organize your data.
>>725376980You have a 'computer science degree' and you "log into linux servers every day"? Yeah, I suppose that sounds about right.
>>725376980>Linux really isn't hard to useSadly, Linux isn't compatible with everything. Certain online games and streaming services don't allow it. Linux needs to be more accepted to allow people to use it.
>>725395562i've been using Mint since 2019, it is mostly idiot proof if you stay out of the terminal and feels quite a bit like Windows.most games on Steam work out of the box the only ones that don't have things like Easy Anti Cheat.using things like Lutris you can get installers for games not on steam.many linux options even let you live boot by taking the ISO file and burning a dvd or converting it to work from a USB drive, it would let you effectively preview the OS without committing and can install itself from there.
>>725414104It is idiot proof, but they've taken a noticeable decline since their MATE desktop.Let's just state the obvious NEMO is absolute garbage and they refuse to replace it with something agnostic like pcmanfm or thunar. It takes 700ms-1 second for the file manager to launch and it loads folder with 500ms-800ms delay. XFCE loads things within 20ms or less.Their new themeing changes are GARBAGE. That blue coloring to match libadwaita is just hideos. They shouldve just darkened the shade of gray.They refuse to fix major bugs like crashing in their firefox browser when opening images, that has been around forever with cinnamon
>>725412573Trannies are created by the megacorps to stop things like linux from doing any real damage.Emulators, bypasses of secret shit processors, cracks.Everyone on these turned troon "for no reason whatsoever".
>>725377476Decks are only a few hundred dollars.
>>725414332when your not familiar with Linux i feel idiot proof is the better option here so i still recommended Mint.
>>725414449No NEMO is so bad, it's SUCH a bad file manager and the mint team act like their shit doesn't stink when everyone has been complaining for years. As a spite to people who said their shit sucks and they should've used thunar or pcmanfm, they went even further.They got so assmad about it that they purposely made NEMO integrated permanently into the cinnamon desktop so now you can't uninstall it without removing cinnamon.It's literally becoming windows again.I recommend MX linux to someone new to linux.
>>725414407This
>>725414691the constant arguing back and forth people have over which distro to use is actively harming adoption rates, it doesn't matter if one is objectively better or not as you can easily just switch later after getting your feet wet.
>>725376980Sofrware compat for actual work anon, that's it. A lot of fields get permalocked to one specific workflow with linux
>>725400614Edit your fstab and mount your additional drives wherever you want. I used something like /mnt/ssd1 for my secondary ssd, maybe use something like /games or /data directories inside your home for yours ?
>>725414835No Linux mint cinnamon's file manager is so bad it's literally worse than windows in every measure with speed and functionality.It is the worst file manager on linux definitively.
>>725377612I literally installed Ubuntu on my PC just to get this. I've not used Linux since.
>>725414996i heard you the first two times, it doesn't change my opinion here for someones *first* linux distro, they can always go to your favorite later.
>>725402515> People just hate Copilot even though AI tools (generally, not copilot in particular) are unironically useful in 2025 for a variety of tasks and can even earn you money.I prefer to be the one using AI tools on my PC rather than MS (to spy on me), thanks you very much.
>>725415172and I will still always believe that mint is shit. I'm not changing your opinion, Its just fact. Its literally garbage.Mint is shit, and NEMO is the worst file manager on linux. It's literally the slowest and worst and the mint team has been in a downward spiral since 2018. It's fact.
>>725415438did you take your meds today?
>>725412739You don’t want to use flatpak for Steam, tho.
I installed Mint some weeks ago, I love it but I’m beginning to feel the urge to try something more on the edge.What are the drawbacks on going Fedora KDE ? People seems pretty invested in apt vs rpm shitposting, I believe ?
>>725411824Even when running linux games, valve did some interesting shit.It runs the game under "chrrot" that is a linux tool that basically allow you to run another linux inside linux to ensure all games run.
>>725416149*chroot
>>725415578It works fine, I use flatpak for heroic and steam. All my games work and controller support is one command.Steam has malware too from time to time with sneaky indie devs updating the game with patches, you know and linux malware is becoming more prevalent.
>>725379649They hated anon because he told them the truth
>>725399226>atlyssBased
>>725410820I'm on bazzite at the moment, what do you feel like you are missing out on?
>>725417393I dunno... two, three percent of extra performance (maybe)? The true Linux experience? I just feel like I'm on training wheels on Mint, I got the horse blinders on. I'm not out there running in the fields like true Linux chads is all.
>>725417542I mean the real experience is doing whatever you want.Yeah that COULD be doing what the Arch nerds do and not having a functional installer as a "feature", or the compile everything from scratch autism Gentoo users do, but strictly speaking FOSS principles means do whatever the fuck you want.
Just waiting on my favorite mmo's anticheat to tick the allow linux option. I will not swap until then.
>>725417542If your computer isn't running parts released in the last two years, you're probably fine sticking with mint if it's working for you.
>>725376980There's too many things that don't work, sometimes even with tinkering, that I'd rather just stick with Windows. Until there's a 1:1 experience I'll never swtich.
>>725376760>Decktrannies trying to take credit
>>725418026Pardon me gay boy, but I for one like having a deck, and it's nice for getting my friends to realize there's lots of fun ways to get into gaming.
>>725418105>deck shill
>>725418198Oh man I wish Valve paid me to say I like this thing, that'd be a way easier job than IT.
>>725416040How are the memory leaks from kde and Firefox?
>>725376760Because windows 11 is thermite tier dumpster fire
>>725417542Ive been using Bazzite for 3 weeks as my first real delve into Linux and I'm pretty sure its holding my hand with the rpm-ostree to make sure i can easily revoke any external thing i install, so I'm not exactly running free with the chads.
>>725418026What's this cope? It's an absolute consensus Deck was the main seller of gaming on Linux.
>>725384897>when a huge concern is decoupling from America?for the governmentthe average chink doesn't give a shit
>>725397840This. Anyone who is a casual user will just see all the Home folders through the file explorer (especially if they use gnome), they'll never see anything else under /.
>>725406765>arrowhead have always been worthless pieces of shitgrim
>>725395182>>725395562Use Linux Mint or any other Debian variant. They're the most user-friendly Linux variants. I will say Ubuntu is having some "problems" due to the devs being retarded and rewriting basic Linux utils that have existed and worked since the 70s in Rust, so avoid the newest LTS release if you can. Otherwise, Linux Mint is your best bet.
>>725377157she's gonna tell dad
>>725399016>>725403562>not robocopy in the year of our lord
late to the bread but is switching to linux difficult? im in the process of building a new pc and everything ive read about w11 makes it sound like a huge pile of shit.t. been a windows user my whole life
>>725407939w-what's the difference...? Is mine terminal?
>>725423226so put w10 ltsc on your new pc and try linux on the old oneor put it on a laptop if you have one
>>725423226It depends TMBut if what you do is play games that aren't shit and aren't like an adobe only only "creative" it's mostly painless.
>>725423226Just use Mint, it's practically painless. The only thing I had to learn to do was how to use Lutris to install repacks and pirated games. You can distro hop later if you're feeling like you're missing something, but odds are you won't have to at all.
>>725403321>Xbox is comparatively one of the least greedy game platformsIt literally normalized paid online for video games into the industry along with DLC bloat (and games being half-finished at launch and finished up later). They're one of the worst offenders in the video game market. Only companies like EA, Activision and all those typically shitty publishers are worse.
>>725376980The normie gamer types who have mid-wit level of tech knowledge still hold the view that Linux is perpetually broken in some way or another.
>>725423226the hardest things you'll have to do as a user is installing something and not losing your data
>>725376760Indians are on the internet now
>linux is all run by tranny shitlib retards>windows is run by indian street-shitting retards>valve is run by bellvue shitlib retards>sony is run by californian shitlib retards>xbox is run by gay shitlib retards>apple can't run anything that's not gay and retarded>nintendo are run by japanese retards>chinese games are likely all crypto miners and keyloggers>egs is run by one retard>gog is run by polish shitlib retards>piracy is held back by single schizo retard>the only good games coming out now are all early access indie slopThis industry is so fucked.
>>725424613>linux is all run by tranny shitlib retardsI mean you might be pleased to hear that tranny retards don't actually do anything of substance and only push completely un-enforcible codes of conduct.As in, like, actually completely unenforcible since it's FOSS software.Worst case scenario you get shit where they tried to send malware to people still using PolyMC when they were told to fuck off and couldn't slap the code of conduct onto the git.
>>725424613>>linux is all run by tranny shitlib retardsI expected better of Gabriel (formerly Gabe), honestly.
>the largest userbase of linux comes from India Ohnonono... the microjeet insults were just a big projection
>>725424613RRRYUKO MATOIIII
>>725376760>What is causing this?gee i wonder
>>725424613You sound jaded.
>>725376760We finally fucking did Linux bros!!
>>725376980if its not easier to use than windows then shut the fuck up
>>725376980Dude it's not the 80s anymore.People are raised on Android, iOS, ChromeOS not DOS or BASIC.Windows is the stand out of offering legacy computer concepts, though not for lack of trying what with failures such as windows phone, windows rt and windows store apps.Even SteamOS doesn't need computer fundamentals to use, Valve didn't need to offer a desktop session and they certainly have not put any effort into promoting it
>>725425339Depends on what you want to.If you want to run windows applications, Windows just do it better.Now if you want to do anything similarly "different", like doing a nat to redistribute internet that only exist in the corner of a room, you will be able to do it on linux after 5 minutes of googling, but Windows will either do it in an horrible unreliable ancient way, or you will have to download some shady application from hell that will be paid and not do it much better than windows and have a weirdass fuck you interface.
>>725425339Anon says having used Windows her entire life.
>>725376980as an user of fedora for a while, linux only gets complicated if you want to mess around with it, otherwise all you have to do is to install the last stable version of any software you need
>>725426243For me it's the lack of Install Wizard/Uninstall Wizard that bothers me on Linux. Yes, I can use konsole. Yes, I can use Discover (except on Cachy lol). But the lack of an easy to use, and reliable (as in always working) point-and-click method that's retard proof is something Linux lacks.
>>725426381So far the best one i seem is yay.It's command line, but it's the most reliable piece of shit i seemyou do yay "more or less the name of the program" and then it will actually search for everything with that name and give you numbers instead of having some exact name autism.then you press the number (or numbers in some case if you want for example all the plugins), type password, AND in some cases you have to give a yes too.Things like downloading the software, choosing the path of install and dodging the literal malware the modern wizards have are not necessary.
>>725417542there's probably a cachy kernel package for mint/debian somewhere
>>725426381I'm not sure what Arch or SUSE uses, but Debian based distros have Synaptic to do all that. It's a GUI frontend for the apt package manager so you can more easily manage the installation and removal of packages.My short time on CloverOS showed me Gentoo has something similar (Portage I think it was called), so I'm certain other distros have some variant for their package managers.
>>725416040the drawback is beta testing for Red Hat. DNF still never fucked me as hard as APT though.
>>725426381Thinking back on them, wizards were yet another overengineered solution. 99% of users would never deviate from defaults.
>>725426640Is yay something I have access to, or do I need to install dependencies?>>725426695I may need to give Debian a shot. So far all my hands-on experience has been with Bazzite and Cachy. I tried Fedora 42, but broke something after install and immediately abandoned ship. But apparently distro-hopping is normal for a new Linux user.I like Cachy, though. ... somewhat. I'm on the latest version and it's better than it was before the DDOS, but not as simple to setup. I never had to install meta gaming packages just to get Steam to work right until this time.>>725426931Yes, but the simplicity of it was stellar.
>>725400698Christ, I use Linux and even I think this is embarrassing
>>725377508>do music productionREAPER or BitWig + yabridge for VST compatibilityLatency is pretty low in Linux too
>>725376980It's easier to use than Windows. The biggest difference is programs are called packages.
>>725390039i'm really shocked the Resolve guys didn't capitalize on this kind of stuff
Why is so much anti-Linux FUD outdated by a decade or more?
>>725428964still recompiling kernal sirs???
>>725428997I can't, anon, I'm dealing with poor Linux battery life!
>>725429084my broadcom wifi do not work
>>725377553I believe that wincucks are actually retarded enough to believe that. Keep using NTFS kek
>>725389568>.exe are easier to use than pacman -S>oh no, a virus on my machine. Help me, saars.You are retarded.>>725381164This one's retarded too kek
>>725376760gong to be at 20% after microsoft forces a subscription with windows 12
>>725429084linux has better battery life than windows you retarded jeet
>>725429879>.exe are easier to use than pacman -SYes, because you didn't have to type anything or know those commands you just stated. It's like saying ".exe is easier to use than winget firefox". Yeah, no shit it's easier, but it's not more convenient to anyone because they need to know of "winget" and the command to get the exact package on top of needing to touch the terminal/powershell which shows you're delusional in how normal people use computers.
>>725389568This. An OS needs to be like a toaster. put bread in, press button, tasty warm bread comes out. Window. works with any kind of bread, even some meat shaped like bread if you're autistic enough. Meanwhile Linux only works with some arcane way of turning on the toaster with special turd shaped sprinkles. An OS is supposed to be for everyone, including mobile users (which is funny since Android is Linux kernel anyway, proving it is possible) aka people incapable of remembering more than three button presses in a row.If your OS is more complex than a toaster, it's shit. Whoever programmed and designed it is shit. Go back to the early days of Micronigger, one of their biggest selling points was intercompatibility with IBM and other stuff
>>725430360the exe doesn't magically appear on your computer, you have to look for it on the web, download it, open the folder, then double click. pacman -S is just faster and safer. flatpak install for anything irregular.
>>725430578>pacman -S is just faster and saferWhat part of "It's not convenient" doesn't make sense to you? To get an .exe just requires going to the official site and grabbing it, or they just go to the Microsoft Store and grab it if they're even lazier. Opening up the terminal now means you have white text on a black background asking you to confirm what you're doing and now you need to type specific commands to get stuff. You also need to know the exact package name to grab the package which sometimes isn't the most basic way of calling the program which is even a problem Winget has.They also have no idea on the safety of things like pacman, the AUR, or winget because it's not presented in an official way like an .exe or official website is. Same deal with stuff called "Discover". Do you not understand how normal people work? Is your enthusiast mind blocking you from understanding how 95% of people think?
>>725430818>To get an .exe just requires going to the official site and grabbing itgood luck finding this "official website"no on linux we have nice looking frontends for retards that can't use the terminal. like bazaar or GNOME's built-in software application. all they do of course is run the command for you, but hey, at least you don't have to open the terminal.
>>725430818grabbing a exe from a website takes way more time than to type a command sub 90 iq tard.
>>725430904>>725430818picrel.
>>725430818I'm gonna be honest, I get your frustration, and arch/pacman devs intentionally going out of their way to make sure shit like Discover can't actually properly interface with pacman is dumb.But actually using it is way more straight forward than you're giving it credit for.
>>725431004the GNOME's software application grabs pacman packages just fine, and flatpaks too.
>>725431064Interesting, still, it's annoying.
>>725431101that kde's Discover is half arsed? doesn't surprise me at all. KDE is for power users, the audience that would want the Discover application doesn't exist there.
>>725376760>3%These are some tranny numbers
>>725376760>DeveshFuck up, linjeet shitskin.
>>725431316>>725431340>Windows jeets are phoneposters
>>725431414Are you confused, jeetdroid linjeet shitskin?
>>725377508I hear Reaper works just fine
>>725412273If you're going to shill Debian at least shill the chud variant, devuan
>>725391021Since Microsoft account is mandatory now yes. After a while login cookie expires and you can no more login.
>>725416040>More on the edge Then it's arch based shit, fedora isn't really a shakeup from thereEither arch itself or cachyos, cachy is as far as you can go in terms of wanting newest shit without obsessing over minmaxing your baseline
>>725431647>login cookie expires and you can no more login.Shut up, you disgusting tranny >>>/g/eet brownoid.
>>725423226You literally do not have to chooseKeep your old SSD with the windows install and just put it on a new one and use a newfag distro like bazzite and switch to something arch based if you ever want more
>>725431736>Either arch itself or cachyos, cachy is as far as you can go in terms of wanting newest shit without obsessing over minmaxing your baselineThis is the most retarded shit I've read from a linjeet this whole week. The cachy shit is in fact based around min maxing your cpu instructions for performance. You're dumb and brown.
>>725416040fedora is fine as a middle ground between edge and stable. it has only free software by default so you need to do some initial fixing up but otherwise it's a solid distro.it's community handled so don't pay too much attention to the redhat haters.
>>725432031Found the red kippah jeet.
>>725431940Off yourself you retarded wintroon spammer, you're selling Linux by just being here and showing the level of opposition that Linux has, utter fucking lowlifesBaseline refers to the petty shit that arch makes you do that no one gives a shit about
>>725430904>>725430915Are you being stupid and ignoring my point on purpose? To a normalfag. A NORMALFAG. Opening up the terminal is the equivalent of telling them to flip the switch on the flux sprocketer and channel the gumbloose so they can download Firefox. Telling them they need to learn "winget" or "pacman" or even the "-S" is already asking significantly too much of a normalfag. Then you're asking them to figure out the package name on their own, sometimes where it's not as simple as just typing "steam" or "firefox". They're not going to know they can query the package names let alone what to do with that information.Googling "Steam" and seeing the giant "Install Steam" button on the official website they can trust gets them the .exe file they want. It doesn't matter if they see this shit behind Cnet or something that is clearly a scam, people have significantly more trust in those websites because they're presented as an official source with fancy visuals compared to something live Discover looking like this credit card scamming unofficial thing. They can trust the Microsoft Store because "Microsoft" is literally right there as a name they know.I truly don't think either of you understand how a normalfag brain works because you are so in the weeds with Linux you can't understand why everything you listed was not only inconvenient, but potentially sketchy looking. If it was called "Mint Discover" or something that might convince some normalfags it's fine, but then you have stupid shit like "Dolphin" as the name for the file explorer instead of "File explorer" and all that on top of it.You don't understand how normal people think, you understand how a tech savvy user thinks. My mother literally blanks when she sees buttons and options even though it tells you what the options literally say right underneath them. My father who has been using Windows since '95 for his day to day job barely knows how to use an internet browser let alone install Windows.
>>725403321They're not only the most greedy, they're the most evil. I'll side with Valve, Nintendo, and hell, even Sony over Microsoft any day. Microsoft legit ruined gaming for a long time, something not even Sony did this.
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>>725432171Why are you so obsessed with windows, you retarded linjeet? Did you get mentally raped and buckbroken by microsoft and apple existing in your head rent free 24/7, shitskin?
>>725376760>What is causing this?Linux YouTubers + Steam Deck + shittiness of Windows.I factory reset Windows 11 the other day and I had to bring up the command prompt to get past the part where I had to sign into my MS account, not even because I wasn't going to but because it kept freezing the installation process.I looked it up, it seems to be a common problem Microsoft haven't fixed. Even worse is that there also seems to be a shitload more problems people are going through with no fixes like how Windows setup will freeze if you pick English (US) language and keyboard type. If I'm having these massive problems with Windows and I would consider myself fairly Windows-literate, then I would bet a lot of other people have this issue too.
>>725432274Because you entered the thread to shill for it, reposting the same fucking images over and over?Are you forgetting your own script you fucking h1b reject?
>>725432231>kdethe issue here is that you're using a DE made for power users. GNOME is the default everywhere for a reason mate.
>>725432391>power usersIt's literally the windows de but betterGnome is more like apple shit
>>725432389Cope harder, you raped brownoid >>>/g/eet retard. I mog your troonix uptime by the way.
>>725432521You're coping by even being here and crying Imagine becoming a regular just because of how fucking deranged and mind broken about something you areYou definitely watch tranny porn with this level of mental illness, no two ways about that
>>725432391KDE is just Windows, same with Cinnamon. Regardless, you shouldn't even have a choice of DE, file explorer, etc. That should be exclusively as a choice for power users. A normal user should not even know the names KDE, Cinnamon, or Dolphin exist. They should just know it's the "Start bar", "Taskbar", and "File explorer". The very fact that the taskbar isn't 1:1 like Windows is another huge issue because it doesn't snap easily in some DEs, it doesn't mirror on multiple monitors like in Windows, and you can mess up one side or the other very easily.Here's a very simple example question for anyone:Should Linux have more than one distro? If your answer is "Yes" you do not understand normalfags. There should not even have to be a question asked about "What distro should I use" before people get into Linux, there should just be one single distro called "Linux" they download from the Linux website and that's it. Distros should be ricer power user stuff, not something a normalfag asks trying to download Linux. The default Linux distro should be 1:1 with Windows. It should look and function identically to it and have all the same basic features as it when you do things like right-click or start dicking around with the taskbar.It's insane to me that people can't understand this and constantly try to talk about Linux like power users completely not understanding how normalfags view things.
linux is nice. installed it a few months ago and other than a crash every once in a while i havent even run into game incompatibilities. in fact games seem to crash less frequently on linux than windows, but this may be false and i may still be in the honeymoon period.
>>725405412>(Nvidia is shit on Linux and anybody who says otherwise is just coping)I've had almost zero issues with my 4090 on the Nvidia version of Nobara (something I decided on after months of casual research and procrastination)I can run AI (image and video generation), and play demanding games at high settings at 4K. Notorious games like Cyberpunk are hit and miss with certain settings, but it was like that on Windows too.Not totally committed to staying on Linux, but it's better than I've ever experienced
>>725432471GNOME is a mix between android and mac yes, but it caters to normies. kde is all about customizing your system and looking like windows. people don't like to talk about this but kde just generally has far less resources behind it, and struggles to attract new contributors.
>>725430818The frustrating thing here is I feel your pain, and all of these retards replying to you cannot in their autistic monkey brains find the way to understand how you're presenting the argument. For normal people, just clicking the executable and letting Install Wizard do the work for them is always preferable 99% of the time.Sure, just using konsole in the folder I want something installed to can be easier for you if you already know what you're doing, but normies don't want to get that deep into things.
>>725432715Just pigeon hole normalfags into SteamOS down the line and you won't have a problem, that would be a perfectly fine normalfag foundation There's nothing wrong about having multiple DEs as long as you reach parity in functionality between them all
>>725432626Did I hurt your groomcord tech support pseudo-general's feeling, you disgusting pa/g/eet eunuch?
>>725432231>people have significantly more trust in those websites because they're presented as an official source with fancy visuals compared to something live Discover looking like this credit card scamming unofficial thing.Is this bait?Discover is preinstalled on KDE, it literally comes with your desktop environment and OS, just like Microsoft Store does.You've presumably already installed the KDE desktop environment and OS so why would you think Discover is "shady"? That's like installing Steam and refusing to use the Steam store.
>>725432391>my trannyware adware is better than your trannyware adwareLinjeets are so cringe.
>>725433008why do you talk like this you retard? you're trying way too hard
>>my trannyware adware is better than your trannyware adware>Linjeets are so cringe.
>>725433059He's been crying in Linux threads for weeks You know you've won when you have dedicated schizos shitting up threads
>>725433059Did you donate when you got the notification that your favorite e-begging adware devs needed money for chopping their dicks off, linjeet paypiggy?
>>725433154can you first explain to everyone why you talk like this? do you see anyone else lashing out like a freak?
>>725433153weeks? try months.
>>725433226Shut up faggot linjeet.
>>725432884I mean kde is genuinely feature complete by this point, now it's just maintenance and reinventing the wheel like windows
>>725430195That's the joke, dipshit. I was using another out-of-date antishill point against Linux (that one in particular being a GAMECUBE era antique).
>>725433407>just maintenancei maintain an app and you're really underselling the effort that goes behind it. libraries are constantly updating and you need to keep up the pace. UI design is always changing and you need to keep up the pace. what people want is constantly changing and you need to keep up the pace.
>>725433460TLP is so optimized for laptops, bro. GNU/updoot, so true.
>>725377014Not just that. But I've heard people who use Linux will sometimes get greeted by a BSOD when booting up their PC, without having done anything weird with it the day before.
>>725433907>linux>BSOD
>>725432942>Just pigeon hole normalfags into SteamOS down the line and you won't have a problem, that would be a perfectly fine normalfag foundationThat's exactly my point. There needs to be some default version of Linux people go to. There should not be any discussion about Mint or Ubuntu or Gentoo or Arch or anything of the sort. There should just be "Linux" for normalfags to funnel into where the entire distro is just set up like Windows and automates everything like Windows with GUIs being mandatory, and every program being required to have GUIs to even be allowed to be presented on its version of Discover.>>725432964>Is this bait?Is your post bait with how you can't understand something this basic?>Discover is preinstalled on KDE, it literally comes with your desktop environment and OS, just like Microsoft Store does.Except it has no legitimacy. It doesn't matter if it comes with your OS, it's named something generic, looks generic, and it doesn't explain at all where you are getting any of these things. Even if the distro you has provides a popup for its existence it's still not enough for people to believe its legitimacy. The Microsoft Store has "Microsoft" in the name so you know it's a legitimate company in addition to the fact that anything that goes on it has to be screened by Microsoft itself.>why would you think Discover is "shady"?Because of its entire presentation, because you have no idea where the programs come from, and because it's not explained well at all.People are not equating this to an app store, they're seeing this shady program installed that says it can download other programs that they have no context for. You're also missing the most glaringly obvious part where they don't have an air of legitimacy of who even runs it.
>>725434029:^)
>>725434073>There needs to be some default version of Linux people go to. there will never be, everyone has their preference it's what makes linux different and special.
>>725434127except it's black normally and comes with a qr code these days.
>>725434143>everyone has their preference it's what makes linux different and special.Tough shit, you want normalfag adoption and for it to actually see wide use you need to have some sort of main version. People should not at any point have to ask what version of Linux they need to download, and the fact they do is already a major hindrance to any sort of adoption.
>>725434029>xhe doesn't know about systemd BSOD (Blue Screen of Death) >>725434205>umm ackchyually BSOD is based
>>725434073Linux distros really aren't that different to each other, especially to a laymanthey won't notice what package delivery they have or know the differenceif you GUImax like SteamOS tries to do you and use bazaar all you'll really interact with beyond pressing yes is your DE and all the big ones are easily changeable and retard friendly
>>725434214>you want normalfag adoptionthat's only gonna happen when oems start selling pcs with linux included. it's already a thing and they usually ship ubuntu with gnome.
>>725434407>that's only gonna happen when oems start selling pcs with linux included.Has already been tried, has already failed.
>>725434390>Linux distros really aren't that different to each other, especially to a layman>they won't notice what package delivery they have or know the differenceYou're missing the issue here. It's not about them knowing the difference, it's about adopting Linux immediately starting with the question "What distro should I use?" It doesn't matter if you're a power user or a layman, this is literally the beginner intro question and should not even be a question a person trying to get into Linux asks. They should just download Linux and start it.Can you imagine if the shoe was on the other foot and you wanted people to switch to Windows so they ask "Do I start with 3.1, ME, XP, 2000, 95, Vista, 7, 8, 8.1, 10, or 11?" before they ever even start considering Windows? For this example just imagine they're all the equivalent of distros, not older versions of Windows. It would be viewed as completely insane and impossible for anyone to get into without studying their homework.
>>725434489bill gates was making deals with oems and giving windows licenses for pennies.these days the only reason windows comes preinstalled is because it's expected.
>>725434489Proton didn't exist back then and wine wasn't considered viableVidya really is the route to Linux adoptionIf you can do such a latency sensitive workload so easily with so little overhead compared to native windows there's no reason any other workload shouldn't be easier to port
>>725434597>They should just download Linux and start it.i get where you're coming from, but you'll never get the linux community to agree on a single distro or DE. never gonna happen.
>>725377553t. retard
>>725434612>microsoft did itThe raped.>>725434664>to make linux work we're gonna emulate nt>sure it has lower lows and lower averages, but at least the windows binaries don't rotHoly cope.
>>725405228with ransomware you can at least pay some russian to get your shit back.
>>725434852You're gaining less than 10% performance going from proton Linux to native windows on amd cards you h1b shitskinNow imagine native LinuxIf games can do it there's no excuse for anything else
>>725435007>the overhead is actually a good thingHoly linjeet brownoid cope. Back to >>>/g/, jeet nigger.
>>725434754Which is why it's never going to take off commercially. SteamOS is an example of it succeeding and yet people seemingly can't understand why it did when it's a very specific, locked distro everyone knows to use.
>>72543506210% is nothing, it barely even exists despite it not being the primary focus as proton already btfos windows on official Linux hardwareGive it a few more years and it'll disappear completely Learn basic analysis shitskin
>>725435215It's so fucking over linjeet bros.
>>725435171>steamosit has barely anything to do with linux desktop. it's closer to the chromebooks.no the actual one is ubuntu with gnome that has been the standard for a while, although it might be changing in the next few years with ubuntu getting snap'd.
>>725435292>linjeetimagine being so fat you somehow type L instead of a Wface it shitskin, windows has no future and the moment valve starts breaking into the console market even the fumes of windows h1b copium will run out
>>725435432Okay linjeet.https://archive.is/https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/india*
>>725435548>sir, sir, SIR, SAAR WINDOWS IS LE WHITE BECAUSE SUB 100IQ WHITES USE ITwhat a sad pivotI accept your concession, guess you can't argue your way out of valve ejecting nutella's h1b shitware
