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Why haven't you replayed the greatest JRPG of all time again this year?
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Hallway simulator
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>>725807381
The cloister of trials are tedious.
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>>725807381
>why haven't you replayed the greatest JRPG of all time again this year
But that's not FFIX
>>725807436
>hallway simulator
But that's not FFXIII
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Me and my friend finished our playthrough earlier this year, insane how good the world-building and character writing is. Tidus is the best FF protag.
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I don't like Tidus at all
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I beat it for 1st time last year as well as ff4, ff6 and ff9.
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>>725807908
He's just trying to win, anon
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>>725807381
i beat it a week ago with the teedus mod
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>>725807381
But I already replayed Persona 5 last week.
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>>725807381
Game would be a 10/10 without the need to make every party member to take an action in battle.
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>>725807381
I liked it, but it nowhere near as good as any of the PS1 era titles.
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>>725807381
Deduct 4 and we agree.
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>>725807893
>Tidus is the best FF protag.
Isn't it wild how much ripping off Star Wars can improve a franchise?
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>>725807381
I actually have been for the first time in 20 years.
Initially planned to stream it for my zoom buddy but then I decided to pass them the sticks out of amusement to see if they could handle it and they really liked it so I've kept letting them play.
Gonna watch em finish off yu yevon tonight, cant wait to see their reaction when all the aeons start getting possessed.
Game still looks amazing, an absolute masterpiece.
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>>725807381
because the japanese cant write for shit
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>>725807381
I only have the HD remaster right now and it ruined half the point of the game
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>>725808429
That game takes forever
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Just played it. It was pretty good but I still prefer the 10/10 FFXVI.
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>>725807436
Retards like you literally only said this after FF13, nobody at the time criticized FFX for this and it was universally acclaimed. Stop blameshifting and revising history for one of the lowest reviewed FF's ever.
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>>725813823
>XIII was so bad it retroactively made X worse
sad but true
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>>725807381
I did my annual playthrough of FFV during summer.
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>>725807381
FF is my favorite video game series but also games that I play only once. There is no need to go through something you have already experienced before. I run on specific playing style so every playthrough would just be repetition of the former.
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the input delay on the hd remaster drives me insane.
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>>725810757
wtf, is that a blonde guy with a sword? damn, ffx had no originality...
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>>725807381
I keep thinking about replaying it, I remember doing just the story mode and getting bored after doing everything but Blitzball and Superbosses. Also was just the original PS2 version, so I figure international would be the better second experience.
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>>725807381
I didn't play the other 9 and I'm not a bitch, I don't skip games.
Well that's a lie, I tried to marathon them. FF1 was good, then I got to FF2 and was like nah I'm good.
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>>725807381
Honestly I don't want to bother setting up my emulator and the pc version is a meme, so...
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>>725810757
It was a good homage to Star Wars without ripping it off.
I wonder why Square hasn't tried to take a stab at the license given how big fans its staff are.
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when will they remake it?
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>>725807381
I can't be arsed to dig out my PS2 and set it up. Only the "HD" version is plug and play on a modern system but the new character models hurt my soul so much that the game is simply unplayable
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>>725807436
No overworld hurts the soul.
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>>725807381
200 lightning dodges and blitzball Mini game PTSD
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>>725807893
>Tidus is the best FF protag.
That's Butz but Tidus is a cool guy too.
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>>725807893
Zidane is the best FF protag.
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>>725819587
He's barely a protag in his own game.
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>>725819587
garnet is the protagonist tho
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>>725807381
>Why haven't you replayed the greatest JRPG of all time again this year
Weird picture of Persona 3 you got there
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>>725819709
>>725819756
Cope and seethe, no ff protag is even close to as gigachad as Zidane
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I can't look at it without being reminded that his name is pronounced Tee-dus and that's retarded

Why is it not Tide-us like the fucking tide because he's a waterguy
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>>725807381
I still haven't finished all of the other classic FF's.
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>"come join da blitzball team ya?"
>"we're gonna win da blitzball cup"
>win the blitzball game
>stops being a character and just shits on Rikku for the rest of the game
What was his fucking problem?
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>>725820748
Japanese game
Tida sun
Yuna moon
It’s even represented in those items you need for celestial weapons
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I played two FFs already this year. I don't need to do another.
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It sucks on replays.
No way to get through dialog quickly, cutscenes in general are much longer since they waste so much time on cinematography and facial expressions, a ton of the systems (weapon customization, sphere grid, Blitzball) don't meaningfully open up until the endgame, said endgame is full of garbage like monster catching.
It's a great one and done experience, but I'll probably never play it again.
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>>725820948
He just really hates the al bhed
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>>725820992
But it's Tee-dus. Not 'Tida'
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>>725820948
>What was his fucking problem?
uhh? his brother died because of the al behd technology so he's kinda resentful of the people that celebrate technology?
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>>725807381
its too easy
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>>725807381
>Why haven't you replayed the greatest JRPG of all time again this year?
ffx is definitely the best one, ff6 and ff9 are close second
>but muhh ff7
fuck off, it got this much praise because it was the first ff7 that came in murica and europe, that's it, when you compare it objectively to the best entries it's not that good
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>>725821248
>it was the first ff7 that came in murica and europe
retard bro?
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>>725807381
Again?
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>>725821248
>first ff7 that came in murica
Uhm
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>>725821487
where the fuck is ff7 on pal region?
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>>725807908
filtered
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I was thinking of it. I just wish it wasn't as long and I don't look forward to doing the temple puzzles
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>>725821183
He's a way better character at the beginning of the game when there's time for his character to develop, I just feel disappointed when the game forgets about the Tidus/Wakka dynamic.
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>>725810757
>Isn't it wild how much ripping off Star Wars can improve a franchise?
this is not an FFXII thread thoughbeit
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>>725821248
7’s legacy will be forever stained by all its expansions and the remakes. 10 only had a shit sequel to deal with. 6 and 9 remain clean (for now).
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I keep getting mogged at a certain boss that I can't remember the name of
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>>725807381
But I did.
>picture related
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>>725821712
You forgot the Audio drama that should have lead to X-3
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>>725821712
>10 only had a shit sequel to deal with.
this is so true, they ruined Yuna and I still don't forgive them for that 22 years later, it hurted so much in 2003 it still hurts today, why did they do this...
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>>725821712
>7’s legacy will be forever stained by all its expansions and the remakes.
I have to admit I forced myself to finish ff7, and they expect me to play all those variants (that are likely more censored than the original one)? lmao they can eat a dick desu
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>>725820948
why did he hook up with his dead brothers wife
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>>725821978
Wouldn't you?
Lulu is pretty hot
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if you don't have an exhaustive list of reasons for why every game is bad ever are you even a gamer?
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>>725822037
no
yes
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>>725821978
>>725822037
desu that's pretty messed up, I wished it never happened, lulu and wakka aren't good people and fortunately the game isn't too much focused on them, Yuna definitely carried the game, it's not only one of the best characters in video game history, but probably one of the best characters in fiction's history
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>>725821978
>why did he hook up with his dead brothers wife
desu if I had a wife and I happened to die, all I wish was for her to be happy again and find someone else, and I would accept that someone else to be my brother because I trust my sibling more than a random man I guess
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too many games to play
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it is a masterpiece though so I should as well as fft and ff7
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>>725822612
FF7 is seriously overrated
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>>725821580
>He's a way better character at the beginning of the game when there's time for his character to develop
he got a character arc improvement though, he was racist against the al behds and was part of the yevon cult, then he realized that he was retarded and changed his mind, I liked that, it shows that people can improve over time, and that's why this game is special to me, it's not just boring characters that doesn't change their mindset from the begining towards the end, they grows as time passes, like real human beings
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>>725822642
>FF7 is seriously overrated
yeah, I've never seen a game this overrated desu, it has the same amount of praise as ocarina of time even though objectively, OOT is a real masterpiece and likely the best zelda game, FF7 is an ok jrpg and is far behind the best FF games like FF10 or FF6 for example
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>>725807381
I watched the Kabuki version instead
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>>725807381
>Why haven't you replayed the greatest JRPG of all time again this year?
Not sure if it's the best JRPG but it has the best universe by far, I genuinely wanna live in their planet it's so beautiful
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>>725807381
Already have, and considering replaying X-2. Not because it's good, but because I'm a sucker for job/class based combat, and being able to change mid-battle is fun
>>725807436
Go wander in the woods you immersion/ open world obsessed fuck
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>>725823151
>and considering replaying X-2. Not because it's good, but because I'm a sucker for job/class based combat
and there's no other games like that? I would kill myself if I had to play X-2 again, this shit felt like an humiliation ritual, they ruined Yuna
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>>725823151
X-2 still holds the crown for having the best battle system and they did absolutely nothing with it afterwards
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>>725822642
Unironically agree. 7's nostalgia goggles are way too thick. It's not a bad game, but people act like it's untouchable just because it was their first JRPG or they think Cloud is deep for brooding and having identity issues. FF6 had a better villain, FF10 had better pacing, FF9 had better writing. At this point it's coasting on brand recognition and that bloated compilation universe.
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>>725823151
>>725823273
wtf, X2 combat system is ass, FFX has the best combat system since it's not active, you have all the time in the world to choose your actions
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>>725823312
>FF9 had better writing.
FF9's writing is so fucking underrated desu, got some serious philosophical questions and shit, not many games makes you think this deep
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>>725823315
But X-2 is more engaging. You can literally stunlock, counter or kill enemies before they can use their attacks against you
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>>725823312
>people act like it's untouchable just because it was their first JRPG or they think Cloud is deep for brooding and having identity issues.
not only that, but this part of the story makes shit more convoluted than it should, and it wouldn't have removed anything to the overall story if it never existed, it felt like they were adding this for the sake of adding this, to make it look like it's "deeper than we previously thought", but it just doesn't work here
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>>725823193
Agreed. But I also really like rikku
>>725823273
Not crazy about atb
>>725823315
This. I definitely prefer X's combat overall over X-2's
Like I said, I'm just a sucker for job based combat. Also really enjoyed 3, 5, and the octopaths
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>>725810757
How on earth is he Luke?
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I did replay Dragon Quest 3 though
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>>725823595
It's just leftovers from Takahashi's rejected proposal for FF7 that they felt were interesting enough to include in some manner. We see all of it more extensively worked out with Xenogears.
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E33 won
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Did anyone actually bother to play blitzball? I just couldn't be assed to try and understand it
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>>725824137
Not a real JRPG it's French
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>>725807381
I did played Expedition 33 this year actually
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>>725821978
I can think of two big reasons.
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>>725824171
desu, anytime I replay X, I play a fuck ton of BB
in part because I genuinely kinda enjoy it, but also because I'm a legendary lootfag, and always gotta get wakka's weapon and overdrive, I think that's all there was off the top 9f my head?
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>>725824137
e33 is not good
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>>725824268
Because she's secretly a sweetheart and she's a paizuri goth mommy?
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>>725824171
Once you recruit and build your team and get a feel for the system it's decent. They shouldn't have made that story match near unwinnable, it doesn't really people motivate to continue playing it.
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>>725824691
Story match isn't too bad, but mainly because you can cheese it as long as you remember to instantly put it on manual, slap teammates forward and use Jecht Shot next to goal after stalling as long as you can.
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>>725807381
How is the Vita version?
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>>725824214
it's like saying french fries can only be made in france lol
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>>725807381
Sorry, I still have to play 8 and 9 before I can play 10.
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>>725824939
play the ps2 game on emulator nigga
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>>725820948
bro watching his entire religion crumble before his eyes.
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>>725824137
ffx has been a beloved game for nearly 25 years
lets see how e33 holds up by 2050
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>>725807381
been thinking about it, mostly so i can finally get around to playing X-2.
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>>725825831
>i can finally get around to playing X-2.
DONT DO IT ANON, YOU'LL REGRET IT
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Linear stories in JRPGS can be great and i'm tired of open world indians trying to pretend otherwise
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>>725807381
too busy doing more important things like gooning
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>>725825996
>Linear stories in JRPGS can be great
desu no one is pretending linear stories are bad, FFX is always highly regarded by people even though it's an obvious linear story
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X2 is better and I'm tired of pretending it's not, Tidus is a gay
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>>725826232
WHAT CAN I DO FOR YOU
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>>725825968
but i want that j-pop girl band kino.
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>>725826232
>X2 is better and I'm tired of pretending it's not
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>>725826541
X2 story was horrible, gameplay was great
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>>725826592
>>725826541
Good thing I play GAMEs for the GAMEPLAY, also I like women
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>>725827130
the gameplay of ffx is better though, I want my time to choose my actions, fuck ATBullshit
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>>725807381
I actually did. One of the rare times I actually finished, as well. Didn't do the postgame stuff, I really feel I should.

Also, I didn't remember BFA being as hard as it was, that thing was pretty tough.
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>>725827217
>BFA
I had more issues with yunalesca personally, but yeah, FFX always have that one annoying boss everyone hate kek
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>>725807436
this but unironically, imagine liking this and shitting on negative ass woman game
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I've played it too many times and want to experience new things, but i do think about replaying it every now and then.
Also, fuck Square and fuck the Remaster.
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>>725807436
>Hallway simulator
I used to believe it was a flaw then I played FF13 and realized you could go deeper into that rabbit hole...
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>>725827254
seymour flux for me
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>>725827192
Just say you are bad at video games
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>>725827504
I'm not, I finished FFX-2, I had no problem beating the game, I just find it dumb to get a time limit to set up your actions, at some point you just go for the most safe options because you know it works and it's fact since you've learned the pattern, you don't experiment it anymore it's retarded as fuck
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>>725807381
The story is good, but the gameplay and setting are bad. Hardly the greatest jrpg.
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>>725827895
>setting
what do you mean by "bad setting"?
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>>725827561
Nah ATB is kino, FF13 went too far with it though and it sucks
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>>725824171
Yes, especially to get Wakka's Attack reels and World Champion/Sigil.

Blitzball is piss easy because you can just abuse Jecht shot with Tidus, get 1 goal, then grab the ball and go behind your own goalie. There's 1 spot in the arena that the enemy can never touch you. So after getting 1 goal in, just go there, and wait for the timer to end.
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>>725807381
Because I couldn't get past Seymour in the mountains.
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>>725807381
When I was a kid, I made it to Tidus' dad, but I just couldn't beat him and so I quit. Soon tho, I will be correcting my childhood mistake
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>>725828232
Just learn to use Rikku
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>>725807381
Because, like most JRPGs, it isn't particularly replayable.
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>>725828232
>Because I couldn't get past Seymour in the mountains.
the worst part is the unskippable cutscene, you have to deal with that for each try :(
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>>725828258
You quit at the final boss?
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I am doe, FFIX is the greatest jrpg ever made. FFX is shit
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>>725828404
both are great
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>>725828370
this fight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btEGMuttkxI
I built my characters wrong. Everyone was a jack of all trades except for Yuna and Lulu. Everyone could cast magic and heal. My party was weak, and I ran from every fight in Zanarkand because I was tired of fighting.
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>>725828404
>8 seconds to load 1 battle
>*SWOOOOOSH*
>4 more seconds to spin around the battle arena
>DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN
>Camera wastes 10 more seconds switching around 3 different angles to show you and the enemy
>3 more seconds to pan down and start the fight
>and now enjoy painfully slow animations

I like 9 alot from everything except it's main battles.
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>>725828547
Yes. That's the final boss lol.
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>>725807381
Because I played it for the first time this year while I was going through all FF games
I stopped at the start of 15 because the game doesn't know what it wants to be, I get all this setup about the story but the gameplay is just hanging around with your bros
Even 13 kept me engaged for longer because the story was actually a little engaging
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>>725828404
first time I'm seeing someone loving ff9 and hating ff10, I'm not saying they are similar games but still
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>>725828404
>FFIX is the greatest jrpg ever made
Yes it is
>FFX is shit
No it is not
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>>725828652
Eh you are right i guess
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>>725828636
>I get all this setup about the story but the gameplay is just hanging around with your bros
I got the same feeling with ff12, the universe was amazing but I was asking myself what I was doing, there was little to no story, the incentive was almost void
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>>725828368
X is my favorite game of all time, but that is a massive problem. Ironically, X-2 fixed this, every cutscene can be skipped
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>>725821978
That's easy goth pussy ya. If he didn't 10 others would ya.
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>>725828368
i've never had problems dying to bosses so this was never a problem for me, but i wanted to do an NSG run soon and now you made me think of this, fuck
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>>725828715
I can totally see that, but 12 was my first FF game when I was like ten years old, I dumped over 300 kid hours into it, even with all the flaws it has I can just look past them because I sunk so much time into it
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>mfw I haven't played an FF game I didn't like
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>>725829048
played 1,3,4,7,8,9,10,13 trilogy, 14, 15, 16 of the mainline and the only one that was so unfun i could barely stomach finishing it was 16
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>>725820271
You can just say you never played 5.
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>>725829158
>1,3,4,7
oof, you missed the best ones, which are 2, 5 and 6 lmao
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Tidus is literally me
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I never really liked ff10 because tidus looks like he has mental problems, if the old guy was the protag ff10 would be 100% better
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>>725824214
J'RPG
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>>725829158
I've played and beaten 1, 2, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11(done all content so i class it as beaten), 12, 13(and sequels), 14(up to the end of endwalker), 15 and 16.

I still need to play 3, 4 and 5. I'm planning on playing through the pixel remasters and maybe the DS versions soon.
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>>725829272
I even laugh like him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOzM4ClFG1o
>>725829298
>if the old guy was the protag ff10 would be 100% better
I swear to god I'm still shocked they didn't a spinoff with auron jecht and braska, this shit would've been amazing
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>>725829298
Auron is too old to be MC. Dude’s like 35.
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>>725828616
Techincally Yu Yevon is but it's more like a cutscene than a fight.
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>>725829395
>Dude’s like 35.
not only that, but the designer had no idea how old Auron was supposed to be so he made him older than your regular 35yo man, but still, he's so fucking badass
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>>725829048
I wasn't a fan of 2 and 3 but I'm still glad I played them.
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>>725829438
Yeah but thats like saying the Cloud vs Sephiroth omnislash 1v1 is the final boss.
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>>725807381
I liked 10 way more than 7, and I still think both're overrated as fuck.
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I spent too much time grinding in the calm lands for the arena so I was one-shotting the endgame bosses
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>>725829262
i'll play them all eventually except for maybe 11 since i'm not paying a subscription for some ancient ps2 mmo. i played chrono trigger though
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>>725829492
You can still lose to Yu if you're a baka.
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>>725808429
He said greatest JRPG, not gayest JRPG.
Common mistake: don’t let it happen again
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>>725829653
>He said greatest JRPG, not gayest JRPG.
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>>725829653
keeek
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>>725829531
7 is way more overrated though, FFX is good enough to be glazed, ff7 was maybe good at its time but we got better shit after that
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>>725808429
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FFXII relies HEAVILY on side content. Imo the storyline after Archades is frustrating and boring so side quests and hunts makes up rest of the game after that, with obligatory walk through last dungeon to unlock all things.
Game was clearly both rushed but also in development hell. Huge pity, because planning hunt strats etc. is fun as well as remedy trickery.
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>>725829972
this graph is so wrong! Persona 5 was released in 2017 duh
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>>725827973
The world is ugly. I hate the architecture and fashion.
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>>725829048
Boy do i have the game for you
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>>725830159
damn, that's a shit take ngl
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Because I always get to the same spot, and the completionist in me won't let me proceed. Omega ruins chests, Got them in my first playthrough when the game launched, never again.
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>>725830042
even the side content is mid and uninspiring, the only game that managed to get a mid story but insane side quests was Xenoblade X imo
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But I am
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>>725830173
Type-0? I don't recall it being bad just kinda bland both in characters and setting. Final boss theme was really good.
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>>725830459
this game is great yeah, but I'll go for this instead
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>>725827361
The remaster is objectively superior if you're willing to put the work in to mod it.
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>>725830651
>having to mod the remaster to make it look like the original graphics
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>>725830201
She's not taking shit. She's performing a ritual. I get the confusion though, it does look like a shithole.
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>>725830526
Should I play the Dreamcast uncensored version or the GameCube port with mods?
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>>725830718
It's not just looks. Look up Untitled Project X.
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>>725830740
unfortunately there's no ultimate version of that game, the gamecube has worse sound but everything else is better :(
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>>725830459
Should I play the original before the remake? The original is on sale again.
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>>725807381
I played it last summer, it was kino. Its only bad aspect is that it needs a lot of investment into its optional content. You don't have to win a tournament in Blitz Ball, you have to win 10. You have to capture 10 of all fiends in the game. You have to dodge 200 bolts in a row. Other than that, it's a 10/10.
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>>725830843
>Should I play the original before the remake?
the original has some hungus chungus localization, and guess what, it made the game way more funny and interesting (probably the only time I'll say this shit for real), and I guess the remake has some censorship, like every remakes
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>>725830843
I got 3/4ths through the original a million years ago and completely forgot everything, even that I played it. This game though is fantastic. Take that for what you will.
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>>725830835
Fucking gay. This is in the uncensored Dreamcast version btw.
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>>725830937
>>725830963
Can't go wrong for $10 and I guess it'll help me appreciate the remake more when I eventually get to it. Thanks.
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>>725829593
i think you need to stone yourself on purpose right
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>>725807381
But I did, it even got a remake this year!
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>>725831161
>it even got a remake this year!
I played the original one and yes it was an amazing experience, I've heard the remake had more stories to it, I guess I should replay it right?
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>>725829048
To an extent, yeah, since i didn't bother playing 15 or 16.
Never touched 11 or 14 either, am i missing out on 11 at least? 14 i ain't touching.
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>>725831246
>14 i ain't touching.
I wanted to touch it at some point but then they put a troon it it so I guess it's over lool
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What is longer, X or VII
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>>725831229
Yeah, but not for the extra story (it's kind of meh) but for the QoL improvements and new mechs.
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>>725831312
X is longer, but not by much, I finished ff7 in 40 hours, and ffx in 50 hours
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>>725831312
X.
ESPECIALLY if you do it's optional content.
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>>725831450
>it's
its
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>>725831075
Yes.
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>>725831312
X for sure
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>>725807381
But I have. Twice. Both the original and the Switch remake that released this year.
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>>725831596
>pircel
kek, tatsu the goat
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>>725831312
VII because X is linear and so you never get lost or confused on where you are supposed to go
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>>725831674
>you never get lost or confused on where you are supposed to go
as a kid this was hella confusing to me :(
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>>725831674
I'd be impressed if anyone got lost in FF7 playing it as an adult, that world is also structured very linearly
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>>725831789
Most temples were easy but the one with all the conveyor belts confused me
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>>725831894
>the conveyor belts
this one is hella frustrating, you make one mistake and you're in a place you're not supposed to go and you have to do a 180...
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>>725831161
>But I did, it even got a remake this year!
most people aren't ready for this discussion, but this is the only great xenoblade chronicles game in the whole series, the others are fine, but Xenoblade X is the only special one
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>>725829972
get rid of Persona 5 and this image is perfect.
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Played it for the first time last year. One of my fav games ever now. Still blame myself for not buying it at launch because I thought FF9 was dogshit.
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>>725832423
>Still blame myself for not buying it at launch because I thought FF9 was dogshit.
you mean FF10?
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>>725831596
https://youtu.be/P-986OrMgO4?list=PLX_Cone6vbMHYDasVxPxhurQm-LuIAZhc&t=372
>they didn't change the "male" and "female" section
LETS GOOOO
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>>725832473
No I played FF9 and it was so dogshit I didn't buy a FF game until FF13, which in and of itself convinced me FF8 was just uniquely good. Only now do I know FF10 was the best one all along.
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>>725807381
I'm burned out on playing it. I've completely seven challenge runs for it and I've gotten to various stages in three more. I just can't be arsed to play it anymore.
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>>725833328
>No I played FF9 and it was so dogshit
harsh
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>>725834586
did paine meet lulu at some point? she really looks like she's her little sister lol
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>>725831674
People 100% get lost and confused in like the third trial onwards.
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which is better 10 or 12?
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>>725835901
10 by a huge margin. 12 is generally considered to be in the bottom half of FF games.
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>>725823961
No DQ is even in the Top 50 JRPGs.
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>>725807381
Spamming/flooding
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>>725807381
UNCSLOP
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>>725835901
>>725836191
12 is also really great, it's just a completely different kind of game.

12 is a single player MMORPG, in the best way i can put it.
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>>725835901
FF12 was the very first mainline FF that was graphically subpar for its era. Lots of empty brown plazas with repetitive town backgrounds. Very MOBA'esque.
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>>725838782
>MOBA'esque.
MMO'esque**
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>>725838782
FF7 looked like shit when it came out. CGI cutscenes don't count. Very charming, but shit.

FF12 is fucking huge, so you can excuse some of its texture work
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>>725839106
The sound is also crunched to hell and back because it has a shitload of voice work in it.
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>>725807436
Painfully true. No overworld was a huge miss. But I thought the sphere grid was pretty cool, same with the overall story and setting. It was unique for its time. Game was piss easy, too.
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>>725839610
Yep. Though the voice acting is still top notch, the audio does take a hit from having to cram all that shit into 1 dvd.

The 12 remaster is one of the rare cases where SE didn't fuck up a remaster, it's pretty good, though i'm not a fan of the remastered OST, it's not as bad as what they did with X's ost.
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>>725807436
playing Bravely Default 1 recently made me realize how much just having an overworld isn't enough if you don't make the individual areas interesting.
Overworlds are no different in their structure if they still gate you all the areas you can visit. Even FFX still has optional areas you can go to and revisit old areas way before you get the airship if you just walk to them.

There's literally no difference.
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>board is the same 20+ hour old rpg threads every single day
>Chinese schizophrenia thread
>rpg maker schizophrenia thread
>bethesda threads around the clock
Is the /vrpg/ mod intentionally trying to kill /v/? The boards are starting to look exactly the same.
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>goth black mage wearing 100 belts
>90 IQ volleyball player with boomerang volleyball weapons and is islamic extremist
>90 IQ MC that interrupts everything and is unaware all the time
>samurai guy that is over it and has to lead everyone else out of dangers
>high schooler thief wearing short shorts
>furry guy that no one cares about is some generic dragoon
>yeah we're the team protecting the white mage/summoner that can summon mythic creatures on demand

lmfao FFX plot
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>>725839930
I never saw anything of the 12 remaster, did they redub the whole thing or did they happen to have the old master somewhere to use?
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I like ff12 a lot more then X
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>>725840395
I think it's because noone gives a fuck about 4chan anymore except a few dedicated autists
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>>725840460
>these people are unfit to guard the summoner because I think they look silly
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>>725841164
It's an upgrade in almost all areas, with new content and QOL. It's the original dub still, so dialogue is intact, but the audio quality and visuals are better, like it's the same visuals, but sharper, without doing those abominations they did on X or FF8

One thing i do love, is that they have the Zodiac Job System' ps2s content, but without the restrictive job system from the 12-ZJS version, so you can mix and match alot more.
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>>725841779
I don't really care much for the graphics but it's nice that the audio is better. The voice acting in 12 is top tier for some reason and it's just that one.
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>>725841316
>can summon literal FF mini bosses on demand and has access to white magic to heal
>needs ragtag team of monk with magnetic volleyball a samurai a novice knight some generic black mage a highschool girl thief and some mute dragoon to "protect" her

get the fuck out of here. Yuna could solo all the "guardians" and she needs them? FFX has worst plot of first 10 FFs. Harry potter FF8 plot is better then this shit. FFX is a story of a powerful hero having to drag around a bunch of trash tier "heroes".
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>>725807381
I did replay Final Fantasy X this year. It's my favorite turn-based JRPG
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>>725843141
You probably think they only fight 3 monsters at a time. The game is an analogy for a story and presents it in a very crude, gameified way.
If FFX were a book originally, the battles would necesitate the guardians in a way that would make Yuna not be able to manage multiple enemies attacking at once.
You're taking all of this at face value when you're playing a literal GAME instead of enjoying a depiction of the story only.
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>>725843141
There are mutliple summoners you meet in the game that eat shit and stop the quest because they didn't have good enough guardians.
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>>725843141
You literally beat the shit out of almost all of these summons, so they're not as strong as you think. The only real reason they need one is because they found a loophole in Sin's armor that needs a summoner.
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>>725813823
It's just because internet was not as active during X's release. It would have been blasted if it released around the time of XIII.
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>>725807436
It's about going on a pilgrimage, how would it be anything but?
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>>725841304
But the reason I come here less and less is because of these awful threads keeping the board at light speed while not posting anything worth reading
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>>725820948
Shitting on Rikku and other Al-Bhed is his character though
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>>725825968
It's not that bad and is ultimately pretty pointless. Just hope they don't go any further in that timeline given those novels that really turn the retardedness up to 11.
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>>725835901
12 is incredibly comfy and I love it but I get why people don't. If you don't click with the gameplay you probably never will. The character interactions also really fall off by the end too which is unfortunate.
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>>725807381
It was the first genuinely bad FF game.

>>725807436
Based
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>>725807381
I really don't like the active turn system, like that they have in FFVII, I much prefer this, too bad they didn't implement it again. I love this game, as a stupid kid I couldn't get past Sin in the ship, but even if I did, I would have given up on that fight in the mountains. Is there a mod to make the remaster look like the original? It looks much better.
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>>725820948
He doesn't shit on Rikku, because he doesn't know she's Al-Bhed, which is strange as they have distinct eyes.
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>>725845798
but at some point he knows rikko is an al bhed and he starts hating her
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>>725807381
>guys FF isn't as popular anymore, we tried copying harry potter with FF8, kids aren't into disney fairy tales anymore either so can't do FF9 all over again
>that pokemon thing, sure is popular huh
>yeah those summons are pretty much pokemon though
>lets make a final fantasy around summons then

bravo square
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>we tried copying harry potter with FF8
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>guys FF isn't as popular anymore
that's a stretch lol, ff8 got good sales and ff9 got better sales than all the first 6 ff's
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>>725848463
Ff8 came out before Harry Potter movies and before it became a popular book series.
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>>725822037
Very Hot. Post her
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>>725807436
this is a good thing actually
open world slop is a fucking blight
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>>725850481
Nothing's worse than young millennials who grew up on shitty railroaded console games from 6th and 7th gen calling everything openworld slop and pretending to be oldfags.
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Suteki Da Ne is the best track in the entire history of Final Fantasy.
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>>725850619
>Nothing's worse than young millennials who grew up on shitty railroaded console games from 6th and 7th gen
we grew up during the peak of GTA with vice city and san andreas, what are you talking about?
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>>725849082
>9 so low
pity, its my favourite
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>>725850619
>calling everything openworld slop and pretending to be oldfags.
i never called EVERY GAME "open world slop" stop trying to put words in my mouth
i said open world slop is slop
it's hard to make a good open world game, most of them are fucking dogshit
it's far easier to make a good "linear" game instead in comparison
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>>725850686
There are infinitely more railroaded hallway games.

>>725850989
The comparison would be to other FF games, which were normal JRPGs with world maps. So you're either calling them open world slop, or inanely bitching about open world games when they're not part of the conversation. Either way, you're retarded.
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>>725828404
both are great. I think 9 is the better final fantasy but I like 10s world and story more.
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>>725851172
>or inanely bitching about open world games when they're not part of the conversation.
they were initially when the poster first mentioned "hallway simulators" - in comparison to what?
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>>725848463
characters turning into summons is a cool idea, but it was already done better in FFX
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>>725851262
>in comparison to what?
Previous FF games, you stupid fucking faggot.
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>>725807381
>JRPGs
i love their aesthetics and music but i cant enjoy their gameplay so i dont bother anymore
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>>725851510
why do you think you're more right than i am?
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>>725851609
Because I'm comparing the shitty hallways game to the ones before it within the same series. You're randomly bitching about open world games because you're a fucking retard.
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>>725851713
the opposite of a hallway simulator is open world
there's nothing wrong with what i said
a good linear game > a bad open world game
there is nothing inherently wrong with being a "hallway simulator"
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>>725850734
it climbed up to 9 million over the years for what it's worth
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7>14>6>11>9>10>8>4>5>16>7R2>1>7R1>12>DoC>13=CC>3>15>2>10-2>>>>>>Advent Children
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>>725855328
thread killing bait
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>>725856551
its what im known for.
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>>725850734
timing really fucked it
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>>725807381
I already did on vita over the summer.
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>>725807436
fpbp
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I haven't played a single square game released after 2001.
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>>725851797
>okay open world has nothing to do with FF but I wanted to complain about it anyways
Hallways suck and there's nothing inherently wrong with open worlds despite a lot of modern open world games being formulaic and boring.
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>>725807825
Cope
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The only FF game I've played is XIV, which I love. I've always wanted to go back and play all the older games.

Do I just start with 1 and play through all of them? Or is there a couple recommended ones that I do instead and skip others?
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>>725813238
This game would have benefitted way more as a more traditional JRPG instead of an action rpg.
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>>725807381
I already played E33 this year; I’ll wait for the patch for the replay
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>>725831246
14 is entirely filled with references to the previous games. Characters, locations, plot hooks, bosses, etc are all references to the previous games and if you like FF as a series you'll definitely enjoy picking up on all the references.

>>725831285
Eh, Wuk Lamat is only in the most recent expansion. She's already a non-character.
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Tactics is the best FF game
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Star Ocean 3 is better.
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>hate Al Bhed
>hate machina
Simple as.
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>>725839106
>CGI cutscenes don't count.
Yes they do, retard.
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>>725839930
>>725841164
>>725841779
12's remaster is okay but only on PC where it's 60fps. The new textures and lighting are worse but there are mods to fix that too.
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>>725860437
XIV is a game full of shallow references to older, better games for people who didn't actually play the old games. I had to listen to a friend that plays XIV explain IV references and "Omega from VI".
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>>725824171
>I never won the first tournament for Wakka
Bruddas...
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>>725828404
FF9 had the best music
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>>725860014
I'd answer you but, as someone who also plays XIV, the odds of you being a reprehensible sexual deviant are too high for me to assist you in any capacity.
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>>725862356
Best underrated girl
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>>725864521
XDDD LOL SO FUNNY XDDDD HAHAHAHA XDD EPIC LOL XDDDD HAHAHA
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>>725864521
Animamma
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>>725807381
I wish I could use AI to make Tidus a 6'6" elite jock to match being a famous pro athlete instead of a tiny twink. I remember as a kid not even really processing Tidus' backstory and just assumed he was a generic JRPG kid.
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>>725864670
Calm down Tidus
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>>725864801
tidus looks like a jock though. especially for the sport hes playing. he has a swimmers build.
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still better than flopbirth
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>>725860437
>She
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>>725865924
Wuk Lamat (character) is a she

Wuk Lamats VA is a man
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>>725866971
the character isn't a troon?
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>>725807436
FPBP and truth. FFX was never good. It's a braindead easy railroaded piece of shit that was more focused on providing flashy graphics than good gameplay. All style, absolutely zero substance.
>BUT THE STORY AND CHARACTERS
When all the good parts of your game can be experienced via watching a YouTube compilation of the cutscenes, it should have never been a game in the first place.
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>>725807381
I'll play it again when they make a version that lets you skip cutscenes
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>>725864801
Hes not very tall, but he has an athletic build.
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>>725867419
No?
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>>725807381
Last time I replayed it was the PS3 release and what really surprised me was how easy some things were that I had a hard time as a kid (ultimate weapon stuff and the extra content)

Chocobo racing and dodging lightning bolts were a joke. What was I even struggling over?
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>>725867925
>No?
you say this as if it's obvious, if the VA is a troon I'm surprised that troon didn't decide to make the character he voiced to be a troon as well
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>>725867594
>When all the good parts of your game can be experienced via watching a YouTube compilation of the cutscenes
oh my god bro... it's a video game, play the fucking game
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>>725868126
It's a Japanese game
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>>725868201
and? it's been a while that japan got invaded by woke
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>>725861864
They don't, as they take up about 1% of the game in terms of length
But if you want to count them, sure. They still look like fucking shit and everyone moves super stiff.

The one year difference between those cutscenes and FF8 is night and day.
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>>725868091
I never had a problem with the Chocobo Race, but the butterfly collecting always took me a while cause the camera
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>>725807381
I literally did. I burned out though because I stupidly made a vow to max all the characters.
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>>725807381
Coz i hated it. It doesn't resemble final fantasy in any way, shape or form - the further away from FF7 the series went, the weirder it became, and it just gets worse with each new iteration starting with FF8.

Great soundtrack though. Uematsu phoned it in but Junya Nakano and Masashi Hamauzu were at the top of their game.
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>>725868126
>that troon didn't decide to make the character he voiced to be a troon as well
That's not a decision the VA makes.....

In the JP audio and every other localization besides English the character is voiced by a woman.
Unfortunately the English localization lead (Kate) is a massive SJW and hired a tranny to voice the character.
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>>725807381
That's not FF8.
>>725807825
>played 9
Why don't you take a seat?
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>>725871467
>That's not a decision the VA makes.....
I never said the VA can make the decision, but they can influence it a bit though, anyways, what a shame
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>>725872660
I like to cast lighting on Rikku in random battles sometimes
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>>725872623
>anyways, what a shame
Yeah, it's especially egregious because the character that the tranny voices has more voice lines than every other character in the game- including main characters that have been in the previous 5 expansions.
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>No one talks about FF 8
It really is the black sheep of the FF family, huh
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>>725874661
square enix ignores it almost entirely for a reason
it's still a fun game though
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>>725860014
No. Assuming you care about story, which is the main reason to play anything in this series, 1-3 have basically none. 4, 5, and 6 are fine for their time but frankly dont measure up to later entries or modern game expectations. 7, 9, and 10 are pretty much universally loved. 8 is more disputed. The sequels to 10 are retarded slop. 12 is a departure becoming more MMO-like and often suffers for this. 13 is an abomination. So are its sequels.

Honestly just play 7, 9, and 10. Maybe also 8 and 12 but you wouldn't be alone if you drop them.
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>>725874661
There's usually some thread about Balamb Garden that pops up every blue moon. Usually gets taken over by some guy talking about how Rinoa is Ultimecia though
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>>725813823
i did
i bought ffx on release and dropped it when the immense disappointment set in that unlocking the airship just gave you a list of locations to pick instead of giving you an open world
it was gay and retarded then and it remains that way today
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>>725874661
>>725875141
I don't think anyone hates the intro part before the open world. I just hated the magic draw system so much.
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>>725807381
But I replayed FFXII (ps1) last year...
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>>725875470
Drawing magic is for amateurs, the pros spend 20% of the playthrough playing Triple Triad to get cards and turn them into magic
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>>725875043
Cool, ty anon. I've heard they're all super long games so playing through all of them seemed kinda daunting.

Im thinking I'll play the ones you recommend first, then if I want go back and play the others.
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>>725875262
You played a long time to drop it when you get the airship
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>>725807653
I tried to replay. Got to this part and quit. That section's music, slow pace, tedious mechanics, didn't age well.
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>>725875043
You very clearly started playing them in the PS1 era and have most likely only played 7 through 10 and maybe the tranny MMO.
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>>725821840
It was the logical character progression. She never expected to live this long, the world is finally free from sin and she is 19 years old by FFX-2. She has moments of grief and introspection mixed with trying to have fun and enjoy life, like the rest of the world is doing, fitting her character growth.

First impression seems off, but when you think about it its much better than having Yuna be experiencing mild depression like she is still stuck in FFX.
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>>725813823
PS2 kiddies on release (like me) were sufficiently surprised by the graphixxxs of the set pieces to barely notice it literally was a hallway.
The set pieces were well designed, but in terms of level design and interactivity it might as well have been a 2D sidescroller.
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>>725807436
FPBP

FFX is praised for the same thing FFXIII gets pissed on. It is a flaw in both games.
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>>725877757
not sure if FF10 is praised for its level design in particular
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>>725879075
Death
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>>725879075
Ending all suffering by sending everyone to the Farplane.
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>>725807381
Maybe in a few more years when I get the itch again. Next time it'll be the emulated ps2 version and not the pc HD version.
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For me it's Lulu
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>>725880779
Is this what she's officially wearing the whole time?
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>>725876664
4-6 do not have anywhere near as much dialogue as later games, leading to less opportunity for characterization.
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>>725881563
If not then she should be
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>>725821161
he is tida actually
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>>725807381
I've been thinking about this game recently, I have no idea why. I looked it up on Steam and SE is being Jewish about the price so I'm just going to emulate it. On that topic, I noticed that SE sells FF4: TAY separately from FF4 for $15 and that's ridiculous.
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>>725807381
I did and it was a 7/10 at best. Like many JRPG'S it has a great story and music. The gameplay is flawed and gets really frustrating and tedious. Trying to get to the other end of an area and being interrupted every five seconds to fight the same enemies is fucking retarded. The unstoppable cutscenes are unforgivable. Trying to fight one of the bullshit bosses like Seymour Flux and getting rekt and then having to sit through the same five minute cutscene every time you try again is downright garbage game design.

The game simply isn't fun most of the time. You cannot call a game with a good story that feels like a chore to get through a great game let alone the GOAT.



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