Did Veilguard fail because it was bad or because it was woke?
It failed because it was bad and it was bad because it was woke.
the writing was awful because it was written by and for blu-sky addicts who believe differing opinions are a microaggression. the game itself was awful because it was designed for people who think genshin impact is too complicated.
>>726894324It was bad because it was woke
Dead channel lmao
it's funny how weirdos like op talk about this game more than the actual fans
>>726894405fpbp
>those are mutually exclusiveGood luck farming engagement and screen caps for your twitter account, pajeet.
>>726894324>/v/-Any Fucking Excuse to Discuss Politics
BG3 was woke as hell and succeeded. So logic would dictate that Veilguard was just bad.
Dragon Age drove away the core RPG gamers with 2 switching to action button-mashing combat.It managed to hold onto the cinematic movie-game graphicsfags by having decently impressive graphics and mocap voice acting for the time.But now it gets mogged by games like Baldur's Gate 3, or the plethora of other games in different genres that do the same cinematic focus.Having characters motivated by hamfisted identity politics didn't help, but it's much lower on the list than any of that other stuff. Plenty of people are wiling to tolerate that stuff if the gameplay or presentation is good enough.
>>726895049yeah cry some more, asshole
>>726895127Shhh /pol/acks like OP doesnt want to hear that
>>726894324woke things are always bad.go woke go broke
>>726894963>Stop talking about our ideology failingNo.
>>726894324It failed for the same reason why FFXVI failed. Publishers vastly overestimated how much demand there is for 7/10 action RPGs, with paper thin RPG elements. Even if it was a 9/10 game it would still have struggled from how damaged the Bioware brand has been by past games, just like how FFXVI was damaged by past shitty FF games.
>>726894324stop pretending to care about this.
>>726894963no shit, the game has no actual fans
>>726895406yeah their payroll stopped when AIPAC got nixed KEKAROO
>>726895324Kys, XVI is flawed but comparing veilguard to it in literally any way is the most disingenuous tranny shit I've ever heard
>>726895324veilguard is not a 7/10 action rpg
>>726895243BG3 actually still had attractive characters, despite half being gay.
It was wokeslop not wokekino so it failedIf you make a woke game you better make sure the other aspects of the game are good enough to carry it
>>726894324It failed because it was bad and presented itself like a soft reboot that nobody asked for.
>>726894405Flippi bippi OOOHHHJ EEEEEEMMMM GEEEEE GOD DARN WHAT A WORD PLAYS!!!
>>726894324Both, you can insert only a certain dose of wokeness into a good product, it's over if it's mediocre at best
>>726895993Holy seethe
>>726894405FIRST POST. /THREAD POST.
>>726894963Same as Atari ET. More people talked about the titanic than rode it.
>>726894405Wrong, even if Veilguard was not woke it would still fail because it's bad in spite of being woke.
>>726895127>>726895243Bullshit. BG's characters were coomer approved as fuck, and that created much rage among the feminists. Even if you claim it's woke, which I'm not accepting without challenge either, it most definitely wasn't woke enough to get rejected by the chuds, and more importantly the chud dollars.
>>726894405bad games succeed all the time
>>726894963The only thing the game has got going for itself is that it’s memorable. It’s very easy to memoryhole a flop. But if a game is so bad that you’re still talking about it a year later, then it truly is a masterflop
>>726895324I like action RPGS enough to put up with mediocre ones. I rejected buying FF16 because of the male homosexuality. But did you play both of them? The gameplay quality is worlds apart.
>>726894324what are you talking about? it was a massive success
>>726894324Wokesters are retarded, and retarded people cannot write a decent thing to save their stupid retarded lives. Woke themes are just a shorthand heuristic to quickly know the writer is an idiot and the game is garbage.Or in other words, not all retards are woke, but all wokes are retards.
>>726896758Such a success they fired every single writer lmao.
>>726896758Are we doing that thing again where you people deny reality because it doesnt fit with your preprogrammed narrative?
>>726895360Stop pretending people don't care about this. I care enough about this that I will change my willingness to buy shit based on their performance on this game. Pic related. It's Patrick Weeks. I would buy games written by him. But not that 'trick weeks dude.
>>726895826What's the wokest game that has the hardest carry from the rest of the game? And by this I mean not a "you can ALSO choose to be a genocidal facist" the way BG3 does for example.
>>726896534You are wrong. The woke in veilguard extends to the hiring decisions, and THAT also impacts quality like Taash through Sten's sense of propriety..
>>726897183cyberpunk 2077
>>726894405Correct.This shit does not exist in a vacuum.
>>726894405So if you took out the woke elements, it would be good?
both
>>726896587You are coping to an unhealty degree>BG3 was a coomer game and hated by feministsBullshit, where are the receipts?
>>726894324Both
>>726894963>don't talk about oceangate if you weren't on it
>>726897310Definitely an interesting choice. I think that game benefits from the expectation that Night city is a futureistic degenerate hedonistic hellhole where sex is commercialized as fuck.My rig can't do it justice right now so I haven't played it, but I wish they DID comment on things like the tranny sticker, calling it old fashioned bigotry back before non baesean dynamically generated genders or some such.
>>726895049Gee if only they stopped putting this shit in games
>>726896924modern companies often have a high turnover rate
>>726894324The entire plot centers on gender, did it not? But it also buried all prior worldbuilding, almost a 'Star Wars Legends' moment. But I doubt it would have mattered with a better plot.
>>726897463I think at best, if you not just remove woke elements, but replaced them with based as fuck ones, it gets to mid and forgettable. And that INCLUDES replacing 'trick weeks with chris avelone, and the character designer with some koreans. There are serious structural flaws in engine limitations that keep it from being a truly great game.
>>726894324You said the same thing twice.
>>726894324>oryour post was based in india
>>726897836corinne busche joined EA around 2008
There is no demand for mid rpgs anymore. If you make an rpg now it has to at least be a 9/10 game
>>726894405being woke was one of the many reasons it was bad*have you actually seen the gameplay? The level design? The fucking writing with NPCs repeating the same thing 4 times in the span of 1 hour?it was destined to be shit, woke or not
>>726894324I'm pretty woke and I can definitely say that being woke definitely played a part in Veilguard failing. Though it wasn't faggots or niggers that were the issue (trannies were pretty bad tho) but that the world, lore and dialogue was consciously cleaned up and sanitized to bring in a bigger crowd. This meant that the game wouldn't even succeed with the remaining Dragon Age fanbase.
>>726894324>bad or because it was wokedoesn't those 2 mean the same?
>>726898139>I'm pretty woke>being woke definitely played a part in Veilguard failingLike everything else your psychosis promotes, so why do you hold onto it?
>>726896587>it most definitely wasn't woke enough to get rejected by the chuds, and more importantly the chud dollars.HAHAHAHAHA, /pol/niggers neither care about or buy games, at fucking all.
>>726894324It is pretty simple really, the bear in BG3 is better looking than any women in Veilguard.If you can't even beat the bear, you have no chance.And BG3 is very "woke" on the sense of having gay stuff and bear sex. (not much in terms of flag waving or on the nose moral lessons)
>>726898138Bioware prioritizing woke hiring, and giving more resources to sensitivity reading, and pronouns instead of nailing down core gameplay elements is part of the woke.You see as similar issue in Concord, where they spent huge amounts of resources geting WETA to polish the turds of their designs, while only half assing compelling gameplay.
>>726898158That's what people like to say, but when you think about it, every movie and game accused of being woke is still going to be shit if you remove the gay people or whatever made it woke in their minds.
>>726898158No. Woke is a specific kind of bad. Like how nazi is a specific kind of facist.
>>726896587>BG's characters were coomer approved as fuckAnd it was still Woke. Makes you think, doesn't it?
>>726894324Let's picture an hypothetical scenario where the final release of DA4 takes away all the things that would be considered superficially woke. Taash is a girl with a more feminine design, the party members become less diverse and most of them are now from Ferelden, all the fucked up body choices get cut, etc.If those are the only changes then the game would still be awful, because the problems run much deeper than that. The tone of the past games has been completely stripped away, choices are a joke and they also invalidate the whole past games while giving a subpar and pointless story that destroys the world that had been set up since origins with bland gameplay. It is an insult to fans of the franchise, that's why even people who support those ideologies still hated most of the game. A character saying I'm non-binary is more of a consequence rather than a cause. You could probably say that all of those are because of wokeness but that is beyond the game that is presented and more on Bioware just having godawful management that allowed it to happen in the first place.
>>726894324So far zero games failed for being "le woke".
>>726894324The woke stuff is obviously going to alienate certain people but it being bad was the bigger issue
>>726898473Thanks Dungeon Master!So, instead of "would you rather meet a man or a bear in the woods", would you rather a bear or a taash? >>726898647It's too bad the companies with hundereds of millions of dollars of marketing departmentss struggle with this. Woke to the point where you reject conventional physical beauty loses you cash. And the Blizzard Diversity matrix people need to be kept the fuck away from ruining your bottom lines.
>>726894405FPBPI would like to add that when a game relies so much on writing - such as an RPG - the impacts are much worse. That's why people can overlook woke shit in games like Celeste.>but Fox Toby games!Charming and really well-written characters, story, etc.
>>726898810>denying reality
>>726897836You will invent the most convenient idiotic excuses just so you can deny what your eyes see in favor of your stupid childish fantasies, huh.Your ideology doesn't work because, no matter how much you lie to yourself, money doesn't grow on potted plants placed on poorly constructed gardens.
>>726898684But, as noted earlier in the thread, woke is not just about designs. Woke also means endless meetings making sure the pronouns are right. Picking engineers based on how brown or gay they are. Pic related.
>>726894405You could say it was... WACK HAHA :D
>>726899204This guy looks like a sexual predator
>>726895127BG3 let me kill the gays and the refugees and rewarded me with extremely powerful items for doing so.
>>726899452So, the logic REALLY should be, a woke game with strong coomer power that lets you go full Mao on homosexuals and brown people, and good gameplay will sell.Someone tell Ubisoft.
>>726894324Buy an ad
>>726898938Yep
>>726899912The logic is that if you want woke, you add it warts and all and don't single it out.The bar being incredibly low has paradoxically raised and lowered people's bullshit threshhold, in that they'll tolerate openly being shit on a lot less while tolerating shit they'd never have accepted in game a decade ago just so long as they get to do what they want in it.
>>726894405EA's management of its studios being gutted and passed around which created a Woke environment is what creates bad games. It's been proven multiple times now that games can contain Woke™ shit inside of it, and still be good if the developers can actually make good games. It's when the studios begin believing this shit that things start becoming intolerable. The narrative for or against it won't concede on this fact, because it be an antithesis for both sides.
>>726895993Why does veilguard failing upset you, did you work on it or something?
>>726898938>>726900174Baaz or bear. Bear or Bazz. Does it matter if the bear is female?>>726899371That is 'trick weeks. Longtime bioware employee. Lead on Veilguard. Nonbinary. >>726900326Seems to work for Disco elysium.
>>726894405/thread
>>726897463the game is woke to the core so without woke shit it would be just empty
>>726896775To answer your pic, it's the one on the right.There's some things that only retards would believe in, here, I'm gonna show you with a simple greentext;The left is;>Atheistic/secular >Believes in evolution/darwinismBut also believes equality...How the fuck can people be equal when your whole ideological foundation is built on darwinism (survival of the fittest)?It's why these idiots fuck up the whole vidya industry.To their idiotic worldview, a vidya that's fun and has sex appeal, should sell the same as a vidya that's shit and has only ugly characters in it for some fucking reason
>>726894405Fpbp
>>726899018celeste is good because it wasn't wokethey just retconned it in a post release update implying the main character was actually a man
>>726894324Because it was bad, but it was bad because the developers cared more about making something woke than they cared about making something good that Dragon Age fans would like.This is how it goes with woke shit, it's not only insufferable in and of itself but it's very frequently a major red flag which indicates misplaced priorities and bad games.
>>726894324Yes
>>726894324Having played the whole thing, 100%, getting the secret mystery niggas ending and all, it failed because the writers prioritized political messaging and modern sensibilities in writing over everything else.
>>726894324same thing
>>726894324Most games, except maybe dustborn fail purely because they're bad. With "woke" being a convenient boogieman for culture war faggots like this retard here: >>726894405What they do is: They look for a game / movie / tv show that flops, and then they analyize it for anything "woke". And woke can be as little as "the game has a body type A or B selection" or any LGBT characters, or any niggers, or women who are anything other than sex objects. Once they found the "woke", they argue backwards from there, that because this wokeness exists, everyone in the creation, (usually hundreds of people, credits now tend to be 15 fucking minutes long) was woke, and that woke people are inherently incompetent, and therefore you can draw a direct line from a game showing a negress, to the game being dogshit. Why are woke inherently incompetent? Well, because that's convenient for the anti-woke faggots argument. "Everyone I hate, is both incompetent and bad, unable to do anything right, but at the same time also immensely powerful, and able to take over entire game studios and publishers". It's a correlation, not a causation. Woke takes are pretty mainstream, so they appear in media often (and have for the last 60ish years), but also a lot of media fucking sucks. So now you can blame the woke. You can do this with any group you do not like. It only make sense if you already hate wokies (Which is your right to do), but if you let your hate convince you, that they are the reason everything fucking sucks now, then you're the retard.Wokies didn't replace the new CoD campaign with AI cutscenes. Wokies didn't release a Monster Hunter that barely runs. They didn't force rocksteady to turn the next DC game, into an always online looter shooter with battle passes. 99% of shit anti-woke culture war faggots are mad about doesn't really matter, and the true culprit because the worst industry trends is corporate greed. More money for less effort.
>>726894324>Did Veilguard fail because it was bad or because it was woke?Is there a difference?No, really. Is there a difference?Being woke is to be against reality, to be against God's design and intention for humans. To be woke, is to live in delusion about how the world is. You can't be Woke and create Good content that appeals to people enough to earn their purchase. Most normal people (99.9% of the population), live in reality, not a delusional fantasy where niggers don't steal, Gays act normal, men don't like fat tits and women are as strong as men.Bad content is woke, woke content is bad. One and the same, the tip of the branch and the end of the branch. Still just a branch.
>>726903317Yeah, but also Veilguard absolutely relied on its writing to do anything, and the writing team was prioritizing political messaging. It may not be the case universally, but Veilguard did in fact die on the sword of “woke messaging”. They killed their own universe and lore to cater to it. You’ve never played it. Dustborn did that same thing, where the core and writing came from a place exclusively for the purpose of political messaging. It’s not always a boogeyman.
>>726897836I'm sure they do, when $30 indie games have better stories and characters.
>>726903317While you have a reasonable argument there, you shouldn't ignore the parts that you CAN draw a direct line to, like 'trick weeks to the terrible writing here. Or SBI to Suicide Squad's writing, and character designs.>that they are the reason everything fucking sucks nowThey're the shadow links of the people who scream everything sucks because it's racist and sexist. >99% of shit anti-woke culture war faggots are mad about doesn't really matter, Hyperbolic percentage there. You know better. Anons describing their own spending habits certainly matter to them. >and the true culprit because the worst industry trends is corporate greed. More money for less effort.While you can ALSO draw a line between corporate greed and a hell of a lot of shit, failures and shitty failures, this feels more like you just trying to get everyone on YOUR bandwagon. Simple followup. What's the biggest, most obvious thing or three that people call woke but actually is NOT about woke ideology but is straight corp greed?
>>726894324Both.
>>726903559In the case of Dustborn, I would argue that being woke was the entire point of the game day 1, and it is a political polemic. Ragnar literally said he wanted to affect the US election, and that was part of the game's timing. So I don't judge it so harshly in that regard for the same reasons I don't blame a chick tract for not being a marvel comic.
>>726894324Both. Even if it wasn't woke, the writing was godawful. Dialogue was like from someone who has never actually spoken to another human being
>>726899971I never understood this meme. Is this supposed to be some kind of gotcha?
>>726894324>did the patient die from the disease or its symptoms?
>>726898938>Woke to the point where you reject conventional physical beauty loses you cashEvidently not, if you've looked at Western "art" in the last century...
>>726894405Fippy Bippy but also the gameplay was dogshit.
>>726903559It's fantasy anon. I don't know what to tell you, but Sci-Fi and Fantasy has been an excuse for authors to alegorize their political views for a billion fucking years. Specially gender fuckery is a common trope of the genre. In Elder Scrolls Argonians can change their sex, Planescape Torment had a bunch of genderless planar races, and I think the smurf race that's all hotties in Mass Effect has no gender at all? I think what happened with Veilguard is that it's just a pretty shit game, with bad writing. Part of that bad writing was also hamfisted attempts at allegories to modern injusticies. This is nothing new for the genre, at all. But because the game around it was bad, people have convinced themselves that because it has the woke, that is the reason everything sucks. When it is far more likely that it's just another example of a bad game, that also happens to have some wokeshit in it. I mentioned Dustborn, because that's the only case I can think of, where it's actually obvious that it is meant to be political propaganda, and sucks because they forgot to make the game good around it.
>>726894324>woke games can be bad?yes, politics infected drone. the game is bad and deserves failure
>>726904381...in the gaming sphere. Isn't western art more about tax evasion and money laundering? I suppose we have some games for that nowadays, but they tend to be small ones that are designed not to look like they make money.
>>726903317>99% of shit anti-woke culture war faggots are mad about doesn't really matter, and the true culprit because the worst industry trends is corporate greed. More money for less effort.veilguard, concord, dustborn and suicide squad to name a few are not the products of greed. they relied heavily on investments to push wildly unpopular political messages meaning they could not make their budget back. no one wrote taash's non-binary coming-out scene thinking it would make them rich. it's the opposite. they believe they must include scenes like that no matter the backlash. it would've been so easy to make a dragon age where every character is a playersexual super-model and the story lets you do whatever you want as long as you kill monsters x, y and z. plenty of games have done it. it would've made a lot more money. they instead made a game where you must accept your party members they/ them pronouns to get the good ending. you can't just blame anything you don't like on faceless corporations. corporations want you to like the game. that's how they profit.
>muh wokeAre you guys ever gonna grow up?
>>726904676>conformity is cool as long as I call it maturityshut up faggot
Something something all leftist discourse is designed around pretending that they don't understand the discussion something something
>>726903317Holy schizobabble.
>>726904486>Mass EffectAsari are all women. Specifically women. They have vaginas and all. They also are explicitly gendered. As women. There was a heckin’ nonbinary asari in Andromeda, I guess. See, the difference between “Nerds playing with what can exist” and “Woke activism” is the slavishness to which the ideology is followed. Some fucking bug race coming up and saying “Our sexuality is weird stranger, I can fulfill both male and female roles in reproduction” is a wonderous fantasy thing. An explicitly binary sex race coming up and demanding to be called a third thing while the whole fantasy world retroactively reforms itself around the new political climate is “woke”.
>>726904771>all leftist discourse is designed around pretending that they don't understand the discussionYes, like pretending they didn't understand the purpose of Monarchy in 1776.
>>726904623To follow up, I’m going to give you theoretical responses to both “fantasy” and “woke” characters with inhuman and potentially reality analogous quirks.>fantasyInteresting..INVESTIGATEEw, gross!>woke>Thank you for telling me, I support you and your existence, you are valid>Tell me more about how cool you are>You hear that everybody? Anybody messes with Taash, you’re messing with ME
>>726905232Meant for >>726904486
>>726903317This whole post is just whataboutism. If you want to argue this whole thing you should use direct logical conclusions, the women and brown putting this shit in were hired either to give their retarded opinions or because they were women and brown with these opinions.So why were they hired? For DEI grants. Why did gaming studios want DEI grants? They need the money. Why do they need the money? Usually sprawl and overspending. Most games get funded initially from investors and are made with money developers don't have. So the company gets grants and buys the poison that will literally kill them in the long term. The final objective is still the same, corporate greed killed videogames. Or at least the rotten "AAA" industry.Also>As little as [Literal woke shit shoved down your throat]lol, fuck off
>>726903317lol niggerfaggot
>>726894963Those "weirdos" are the fans who put hundreds of hours into Dragon Age Origins a decade and a half ago. Veilguard completely and utterly alienated the "weirdos" who made the franchise a financial success.
>the word we used to describe the shit we make actually doesn't mean what we used it for because you're using it in the same veinbrainwashed mutants.
>>726903964>SBISBI is a good thing to bring up. SBI is just another fucking boogieman. SBI doesn't write the games. They're not there to go: "Okay, and now wonderwoman needs to peg batman, while superman sits in the cuckchair". They're a consulting firm. When a studio wants to write minority characters, they help them. Why? Because remember Mass Effect andromeda? That game had a tranny character, and when you spoke to the tranny character, pretty much the second line was: "Yeah, back then of course I was [male name], instead of [female name] I'm much happier now", and it was a minor scandal for anyone knowing any trans people, because they tend not to tell strangers their old names. SBI, checks for shit like that, and tells them that trans people wouldn't do that. But because again they fall under "woke", aynthing they do is evil. They naturally advertise their services by pointing to such scandals and saying: "See? That's what happens if you don't hire people to check your work when you try to write people you don't know", which culture war faggots try DESPERATELY to interpret as "blackmail". >They're the shadow links of the people who scream everything sucks because it's racist and sexist.Sucks? They're just disappointed. Because a lot of it was racist and sexists. It happens. should we burry our heads in the sand because that's inconvenient to admit?>Hyperbolic percentage there.Yes, I was being hyperbolic for emphasis. If I gave the impression that it was literally 99% like I did a fucking study, I guess I apologize.>thing or three that people call woke but actually is NOT about woke ideology but is straight corp greed? (hit limit will continue)
>>726903964>>726905759I think Suicide Squad is a prime example. People called that game shit because of woke, but in reality, every bad decision can be traced back to a publisher saying shit like "put in a battle pass, that'll make more money". Deus Ex Mankind Divided got shit on pretty hard because it was an obvious woke civil rights analogy, but praxis kits for real money? That's corporate greed. Same as "Augment your preorder"Concord failure frequently gets attributed to it's wokeness. But A: it is not half as woke as overwatch, and B: the only "woke" thing about it, is that it has EXTREMELY unattractive and shitty looking characters. It actually failed because it was a bland as fuck OW clone with no gimmick that came 8 years after the hype. Even if all characters where top tier, the game would have crashed and burned. "Just make the mega succesfull thing again, so it can make US money instead of them". Same shit happened with a billion World of Warcraft clones.
>>726905759I hope you are not doing this for free
>>726904486>but Sci-Fi and Fantasy has been an excuse for authors to alegorize their political views for a billion fucking years.Just an opinion but i've gained the impression that previously, artists applied more subtlety so that these elements either went unnoticed or frankly had plausible deniability.I think back to a song like "We're not gonna take it" from Twisted Sister, where you can clearly figure out what the song is about once you know how the Band and Dee Snider in particular, is politically aligned.But the song is still enjoyed by quite a few conservatives because it doesn't shove the message that the artists intended in the face of the one who's listening.These modern creations however are often extremely blunt with their message>So...i'm non binaryThere is basically no room for what the intent is or the political alignment of the creator.
>>726905759It’s weird that anybody who consulted SBI started aggressively dealing in explicitly “woke” ideology to such a high degree if not in supplication to the consulting firm. In order to placate a backlash that doesn’t matter from a political minority whose patronage is miniscule.>they are just disappointedWhat is sexist and racist expands by the year. They aren’t disappointed, the affront makes them incensed.
>>726905759The saddest part about your pathetic existence is that you unironically think your spergouts look reasonable and not completely unhinged.
>>726905232>>726904915>>726905289It sounds to me, like you expect to be able to be critical of a fantasy races gender and sex depictions, and because you can not, you call it bad. Is that reasonable? Isn't that just saying: "By not giving me the option to be disgusted, you are pandering to the wokes. I instead want you to pander to me, and give me the ability to be disgusted by this gender nonsense"? That might just not be the story the writers want to write. That story has also been done. It's also a complaint that you can make about literally any plot point there could be: "After finding out Yuna will sacrifice herself to bring about the calm, why can't we say fuck that, I want no part in this?" because that's not the story that was written.
>>726905841Suicide squad was hated for the writing. The gameplay was okay. Everyone hated the diverse bag of punk misfits shitting all over things they liked because of how much cooler and more relevant the new punks are. SS was another Joker 2, wherein the writing staff were primarily trying to spite their own base because they are problematic.
*growls sexily*
>>726905759>SBI doesn't write the games.>When a studio wants to write minority characters, they help them.so they do write the games
idk what woke even means anymore
>>726906489Same as it always has.Woke is an adjective derived from African-American English used since the 1930s or earlier to refer to awareness of racial prejudice and discrimination, often in the construction stay woke. The term acquired political connotations by the 1970s and gained further popularity in the 2010s with the hashtag #staywoke. Over time, woke came to be used to refer to a broader awareness of social inequalities such as sexism and denial of LGBTQ rights.
>>726905759you talk like a PR representative. they are explicitly credited with terms like "Narrative," "Script," "Writing," or "Story."it is not a coincidence that, when they work with developers on existing franchises, the SBI-involved installment has significantly more DEI-focused writing. you can't tell people to ignore the evidence right before their eyes. people play the god of war series, the spider-man games or the arkham games. they can compare the writing. they see the difference. basically what you're claiming is that, for no reason, sweet baby inc works on a game, it has a massive influx of far leftist social politics mostly involving lgbtq or black people like sbi founder kim belair, and the game underperforms. none of these things are related.
>>726894324It was comically woke, which in turn made it horrible. Woke games can succeed if they don't get too much in your way, see BG3, but Veilguard was just a fuck you later to normal people AND fans.
>>726894324>Did Veilguard fail because it was bad or because it was woke?
>>726906321You see, that’s the thing. Your slavish devotion to your ideology that defends it to the death even in fantasy is what gives rise to your shit being seen and panned as woke. Your choices matter, except in the case of these handful of ideologically driven actions, then you nod and approve. Of course that’s fucking unpopular. You wouldn’t play racewar 5: kill niggers, the strong racist over all other messaging would compromise and ruin the game. But you’re going to fucking sit here and explain that some writer bashing you over the head with progressive righteousness is a neutral thing?
>>726894963The "fans" all disappeared after the release week because they were being paid.
>>726906676*letter
>>726906489It's basically stupid leftism. If a perspective is socially far left and completely self-destructive, it's woke.People will reject this definition, but it is objectively the case that woke is now a derogatory for social leftism.
>>726906770my favorite is eurogamer giving it 5/5 then a year later, maybe after their contract lapsed, lowering the score
>>726906489to keep it simple for simpletons, gay and leftist (sounds like a pleonasm, but leftism was once anti-faggot so it's an important distinction)
>>726906489
>>726906104>Just an opinion but i've gained the impression that previously, artists applied more subtletyEh, some were? But also some were pic related. It's always been a mixed bag with how subtle / unsubtle shit was. The main reason I think a lot of older shit went unnoticed, is because a lot of people just did plain not look at it through a political lens. I mean look at Bioshock. Bioshock is a very political game. The entire game shows the failure of libertarian utopia, turning into a dystopia. But how many reviewers at the time, how many friends who loved the game that you had, talked about it? How many noticed the similarities between Andrew Ryan and John Galt in Ayn Rands Atlas Shrugged? The majority of people just talked about the cool under water city, the big daddies, and the "would you kindly?" But these days, any new game gets inspected down to the balls, for any political messaging that might not sit well with the anti-woke crowd. And boy, if they find anything ANYTHING then that's the reason the game SUCKS etc. etc.>Twisted SisterI mean, again I think that's less "it was subtle enough to ignore" and more "people just didn't care to look, until they were outraged".
>>726905425Veilguard is a terrible example because it also alienated the weirdos it actually tried to pander towards.One of the most obvious examples is how DA always had a big female fan base thanks to Alistair, Cullen and others, who went into Veilguard with the idea that they would romance the hot party member of the game Lucanis. Not only was he bland, not only was his character quest of being an abomination treated as a joke and not only did they destroy his Antivan Crows faction in a pretty blatant retcon, the thing that killed all that fan base support of that pairing was that Veilguard seemed more interested in pairing him with another party member than it was in letting the player romance him.They literally cucked their intended fan base and you can see from that how their reception of the game turned cold and they started seeing a lot of other flaws. People seem to miss how much of a fuck up Veilguard was outside of the wokeness.
>>726894324"Woke" for a product basically means that someone thought it was more important to preach their ideology than make a coherent experience.In theory woke people could make good games where there's little dialogue, but for the most they do story heavy games and can't resist the chance to cram their beliefs in there.
>>726907079AIDS-men: Evolution
>>726907086Anon literally everyone other than small children saw Bioshock for what it was. It was most of what I knew about it. Then I played it a decade later and found the gameplay dated and tiresome.
>>726906489Here's a helpful tool that will help you mature as a person and understand what we're fighting for. Diversity is our strength.https://www.wowhead.com/news/kings-diversity-space-tool-a-leap-forward-for-inclusion-in-gaming-327053
>>726894405thread finished, the discussion is over
>>726898138Yes, but why does it have those problems?due to the focus on the development not being on making a good game, but on the "message" it has, why is it this way?because the people they hired were not hired based on the merit of their ability to make a good game, but based on other unrelated (woke) factors.It was a bad game, it was a bad game because it was woke.
>>726907086It turns out, if your political side tries a slow march through an institution and people notice, they become hypersensitive to your bullshit.
>>726907282The funny thing about Bioshock is that it probably did a better job of spreading Ayn Rand's ideas than anything else lmao.
>>726894324No It failed because EA insured the development of the game was fucking hell. It started as a live service game and was switched mid development to a singleplayer game and constant changing of staff. the game was cobbled together from the works of functionally different development teams some of which were not even making a single player game and had production problems leaked that were so obviously bad we was saying it would be shit back when it was going to be called Dreadwolf. but because the game was woke we got to pretend that's the main reason its bad instead of its well documented shitstorm of a development cycle hell I don't even think they had time to make a second draft on the script given its loaded with plot holes and obvious errors. this game was never going to be good even if it wasn't woke.
>>726907086I think a big part of Bioshock's success, aside from Con Man Levine pretending to invent emergent gameplay, was that it attacked the conservative values of the time. Fuck you, Libertarians, here's the world you want. It's a dystopia. The second wave of discussion was admitting that it did so ineptly. The actual downfall of society was poorly-engineered gene altering magic serums, not Atlas Shrugged. Levine then tried the same trick again in Bioshock Infinite, gesturing vaguely at racism without really saying anything of value and diverting it all into a bad time travel plot.Other than that, people said the shooting sucks, the moral choice system sucks and the checkpoint system is moronic. I played it when it came out and did almost every encounter with the wrench because there's no penalty for dying. What's changed is that people are more critical of games journalism now. They don't just read PR-copy saying the story is good and believe it. You can't convince people to buy another Bioshock
>>726905759I dont have a problem with this stuff in some games because people who arnt like me can have their own computer games. I just wont buy them if they dont appeal to me. Why would I complain?
>>726906481Anon. When Andy Weir, the author for "The Martian" asked a former NASA chief scientist to consult on the book, so he could make sure he would get technical aspects right, did NASA write the book? No nigger. Consulting is what it sounds like: Consulting. No human has knowledge of all aspects of life for all people. So when an author wants to get certain aspects right, they consult with people who are knowledgable in that area, in order to not write down total fucking nonsense. >>726906669>none of these things are related.Exactly! Because correlation does not equal causation. Spider Man for instance, being a Marvel Hero has always been pretty woke, since Stan Lee was always pretty woke. Remember: Spiderman 1 and Spiderman Miles Morales also got a ton of shit for being woke trash, and SBI did not work on them. But then the third game is also woke, and now it's SBI's fault?Also I want to make clear that I'm not saying SBI is not woke, or whatever. I'm sure they are. But they don't get hired to insert niggers and fags where there are none. You got the order the wrong way around. Companies already wrote these characters, and then they hire SBI to make sure they don't accidentally turn these characters into lazy stereotypes. To make sure the tranny doesn't go: "Hey, my name was Steve but it's Maria now". To make sure the niggers don't purely talk in ebonics. That kinda shit. Harley Quinn killing a mind controlled alternative universe Batman? That's not a decision SBI can ever make. What they do make is tweak the dialogue if the black guy says: "If you mess up my Jheri Curls Imma fuck you up!", to point out that the black guy is in fact having cornrows not Jheri Curls. That's literally all they do. But it's woke, and because woke is the enemy, culture war faggots will convince you that a consulting firm re-writes the entire story to be extra mega woke. Deep down you must know that's nonsense, right? Come on now.
>>726908005Holy shit you're retarded.
>>726905841>>726905759I used SBI with Suicide squad SPECIFICALLY because they were on writing for that game. Kim Belair herself is listed as a team lead and writer, as well as a dozen or so other people. > every bad decision can be traced back to a publisher saying shit like "put in a battle pass, that'll make more money".Trace hiring SBI to write the game to the publishers thoughts. >>726906365Gameplay was D+, and had the problem of giving people like Killer shark and Captain Boomerang guns. THAT wasn't SBI's fault. I only wonder about what's between the ears of the anons who think that the writing wasn't SBI's thing there.
>>726906705Well, I don't know if it's neutral. it's certainly at least liberal. But you know, the opposite of "kill all niggers" is not "faggotry is okay". "blacks are human I guess". But that's the american rights greatest trick: Pretending that the mildest center left opinion is radical left extremism, akin to calling for race war on the other side.
>>726907086>I mean look at Bioshock. Bioshock is a very political game.I think this argument often misses the point.MGS is also political but it's not exactly stick its knive that bluntly into social politics or anything of the culture war.Not every "political" game is the same because not every political topic as is incendiary.>"people just didn't care to look, until they were outraged".I plainly disagree.The song was even played by conservatives on their campaign trail in 2012, they just didn't give a shit because the song doesn't contain that blatantly gives away its meaning.
>>726908052Nah. He's just full of sh it.
>>726908285I'd call it bait if he wasn't clearly mentally ill.
>>726908165I didn’t characterize it as the far opposite, just another example of a politically interested party compromising the work to give primacy to their pet ideology. Also, stop pretending your ideology is milquetoast and majority held, it’s way too obvious.
>>726908005we both agree that, if sbi is working on a game, it's going to be radically far left. the question is whether it was far left before they showed up, or if it they were hired to make it farther left. we aren't in the writer's room. we don't know if someone at rocksteady said, "deadshot was in the previous games but he was white" and kim belair said, "i don't give a fuck, put the will smith version in the game and make mr freeze a lesbian." maybe that didn't happen. maybe rocksteady came up with those ideas all on their own. you and i are both guessing what happened.regardless, their involvement is the mark of death. even if we don't know which specific people wrote which specific parts of the game, if sweet baby inc is involved, the writing quality tanks and radical messaging is pushed over storytelling.
>>726907282I mean, you can still look up reviews for the game from the time of release, and see that you are full of shit. The "Hmmm, this is actually a game about libertarianism and objectivisim" thinkpieces came later. And depending on what the argument is, some fags on /v/ to this DAY will claim that Bioshock was just a cool under water game with steampunk looking shit and magic powers and a manipulative bad guy. >>726907823>The second wave of discussion was admitting that it did so ineptly.I guess that's where our circles differ, I don't remember the game being called inept in it's depiction of libertarianism. After all, libertarianism is probably THE most clownshoes political ideology. You might have noticed that while I have defended wokeshit quite a bit here, and the worst I've said about anti-wokes is called them "culture war faggots", no such love for Libertarians. A political ideology so fucking dumb, that even Joe Rogan can see it is retarded. >>726908215>MGS is also political but it's not exactly stick its knive that bluntly into social politics or anything of the culture war.Have you PLAYED MGS 2? Because that's basically all MGS2 is. Or were you purely talking the original MGS?
>>726908907Okay? Day one reviews weren’t frequently about examination or critique of narrative elements. The time from its release to everyone talking about how obvious its elements were is not years. Everyone saw it. Reviewers were simply less likely to engage in open political critique on their scoring article.
>>726908428>I didn’t characterize it as the far oppositeWell if you want to contrast them, it kinda only works if they are equal opposites. Otherwise what are you saying: "You wouldn't like nazi simulator, but you expect me to accept gay people??".>Also, stop pretending your ideology is milquetoast and majority held, it’s way too obvious.LGBT acceptance and black acceptance is a majority held opinion. I know right wingers love to pretend "actually, everyone hates niggers and fags, but they're just too afraid to admit it because they don't wanna be cancelled". But there is literally no evidence for that.
>>726908907The inteview with it's writer came out rougly two weeks after the release of the game and explicitly mentioned where his inspiration came from.
>>726894324>Did Veilguard fail because it was badYes, post-EA ""Bioware"" has literally never made a good game, why would you expect anything else?
>>726908429>we both agree that, if sbi is working on a game, it's going to be radically far left.No actually. I'm willing to admit that someone hiring SBI is probably at least liberal enough to want to do proper representation. If they were "radically far left" they probably would not be working for fucking warner brothers. They seem radically far left to you, because you find inclusion to be radical. >or if it they were hired to make it farther left. They were not, they were hired to make sure no mistakes were made in depicting minority groups. >we aren't in the writer's room. we don't know if someone at rocksteady saidWe know what consultants like SBI do. And we know they do not re-write the entire script like that. They point out issues and mistakes. Like I said: Similar to the one that was made in Mass Effect: Andromeda. They don't come in and turn characters black, or gay. They come in when there are already black or gay characters, to make sure they don't do or say shit a black or gay character wouldn't do. That's what SBI is for. Once again: Having niggers is not radical. You are just radically anti nigger. And it's okay for you to be, this is 4chan, who gives a shit. But you pretending like not hating niggers and fags is a radical ideology, makes you into the biggest fag of them all.
>>726908907>I guess that's where our circles differ, I don't remember the game being called inept in it's depiction of libertarianism. After all, libertarianism is probably THE most clownshoes political ideology.I think communism is more embarrassing, but I'm not defending libertarianism.It was called inept in its representative of Randian Objectivism, both because Rapture is not in practice Objectivist and because the problems in Rapture have nothing to do with Objectivism as I said earlier. Some of these complaints obviously came from Objectivists, but mostly it was a backlash to the perceived unjustified glazing of the game's story. I think it would be easy to write a story where a couple of entrepreneurs try to run their own country and it goes comically wrong entirely due to their inflated sense of self-importance. I think magic DNA potions don't work in that story, though.
>>726897758Please. If games dropped woke shit, this board would be fucking dead or just get renamed to /v/ - Gacha Generals.
>>726909569lmao it just keeps getting funnier
>>726894405Here's a great way to tell if a game failed because it was woke or not. >WOULD THE GAME BE GOOD IF YOU SIMPLY REMOVED THE WOKE ELEMENTS?If the answer is "No, it would still be pretty shit", then it was a shit game regardless of how woke it was. Fun Fact: There isn't a single game where the answer is "Yes". Wokeshit doesn't ruin games, its the paint used to shine up a turd of a game that was never going to be good in the first place.
>>726894324What if both?Woke is NEVER a net positive though.>>726895127BG3 could have sold way more if it wasn't woke.Woke is never a good thing and only serves to hurt sales.
>>726909748>BG3 could have sold way more if it wasn't woke.The crazy thing about CRPGs is that you can simply not choose the dialogue options that you don't like, that game only has to be as woke as you make it.
>>726909808You forget that anti-wokes do not care about that. They simply want ZERO representation for anyone who is not them. That's why the manbaby had such a melty over picking pronouns in starfield. Every fucking normal person on the entrie planet went: "Oh, I'll just pick what goes with my character". Fatso went: FUCKING PRONOUNS into a camera while pissing and shitting himself at even the mere option being there. Then trying to justify it by saying that he can't get immersed if a sci-fi game (Probably the most overtly politicial fictional genre) has political themes that he recognizes. Truly, anti-wokes are the dumbest of all retards.
>>726910061You're so brainwashed you can't even manage to find the context and wording of the quote your handlers fed you.
>>726894324It failed because it was woke, poorly written, and not fun to play. BG3 succeeded because it was woke, very well written, and fun to play. If you want to add politics to games you can, there can be gay options etc, but you can’t give speeches about identity politics etc that don’t fit the setting, and your game still needs good writing and to be fun to play. It’s not rocket science.
>>726909569Anon, nobody wants to applaud for your pet minority every game. When an identity so fresh off the burner is pushed as the righteous norm, it's obvious. Championing "nonbinary identity" and retroactively inserting it into every facet of your established fantasy setting is brazen and nobody is fooled that it's just a momentary writer fascination. Please, stop playing dumb.
>>726910174Are you seriously gonna get on my dick over not checking that fatsos exact wording when he had a public meltdown? Who the fuck cares. You know what I'm talking about, I know what I'm talking about. There's nothing in there that makes it untrue. I swear, every time you argue with anti-woke faggots they bring out the most nitpicky pedantic bullshit.
>>726909714Wokeshit compromises games utterly. It is not a paint, it's an invasive element. If you use gallium to paint on aluminum, the aluminum becomes compromised.
>>726897463If youn replace them with an entirely different game design philosophy and writing style and developer mentality?I guess so
>>726910589Name 1 (one) game that was ruined by wokeshit.It should be a simple task to find a single game that would have been good if only the wokeshit was removed.
>>726910572The mere option being there is seeing the gallium crystallization point on the aluminum. "They/them" is the harbinger of doom.
>>726910572>who cares about the truth of what happened all that matters is how I want to feel about itEvery conversation with you niggers is just such a laugh.
>>726894963No one talked about Flint Michigan until it started poisoning it's water.
>>726910719You can't remove it once, the wokeshit is there, you can't just extract the compromising element without leaving gaps behind. That's what makes it a compromising element. Everything is given over to give THE MESSAGE primacy. THE MESSAGE is the most important aspect of the game, and has drained focus from all other aspects. In Veilguardall factions are made milquetoast and agreeable, because evil foreigners are problematic. The combat was made, given a single pass, and released. It doesn't matter, because it doesn't really inform or shape THE MESSAGE. All writing, however, was warped to push a single grouped American ideology.
>>726903317So you're saying chuds' main interest is if a game is good, they'd play and defend an ultra-woke game if they'd find it fun (See ARC Raiders and Dispatch) and they're not the lobotomized screaming nazi chimpanzees you've been fearmongering for the last fifteen years?Imagine if modern game developers weren't conspiracy schizos who believe that fun games turn men into fat vampire neckbeard rapists, perhaps we would've had President Hillary by now.
>>726910936So you're saying you can't name a single game that wasn't going to be shit regardless of how woke it was?I accept your concession and will not be reading this cope.
>>726910515>and retroactively inserting it into every facet of your established fantasyLmao. Please stop pretending like you would be okay with it, if it was longer established. Not to mention that we had cultures and groups with different gender expressions for ages, or the fact that we had sci-fi and fantasy stories that included genderless beings and whatnot, for ages as well. You're not slick. You would never accept it. You're just given the "it's new and you're pushing it too hard" as a socially more acceptable reason than "No fuck off. cis straights only". I mean fuck. Ever heard of The Public Universal Friend? Commonly known as the first non-binary, (but rather the Friend described themselves ass genderless), take a wild guess when the Friend first appeared. This shit is not new. You just don't fucking care about it, so you never learned any of it's history, so you assume this shit started the moment you personally became aware of it. Shit's been around before you got annoyed by it, faggot.
>>726910589urmomium
>>726911002he push for wokeshit is what MADE it bad. You can't "Remove" the wokeshit from dustborn, the entire design philosophy was to enshrine the political opinions of the writers. Anything that isn't for the explicit purpose of lavishing praise on the opinion is vestigial and unimportant. If you remove the core of the game, of course the game looks terrible. Your point is nonsense wokeshit isn't the paint. It's the core.
>>726909151Tell me the races of your neighbors super progressive anon who actually totally loves black people and being around them : )See the neat trick here is even if you lie and pretend you're surrounded by blacks, we'll both know it so I've already won.
>>726897836Yeah, because they suck and produce games like Veilguard.
>>726910989>they'd play and defend an ultra-woke game if they'd find it funusually their go-to is to claim it's not actually woke if it's good. Like the old GTA games, that ripped plenty on right wingers. and in the last Dispatch thread I checked, plenty of people refused to accept it as woke for one flimsy reason or another. Elden Ring was called woke initially, because it had A, B body types. But then the game was really fucking good, and everyone loved it, and suddenly all the cries of woke stopped.
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Every poster in this thread has to do a barve
>>726911141>he push for wokeshit is what MADE it bad.No it fucking isn't lmaoDragon Age, for example, has been a dogshit garbage franchise since EA bought out Bioware. Wokeshit had nothing to do with it, its a shit franchise made by a shit dev team. The jewish overlords making them add woke shit had nothing to do with the games being shit.I am completely unaffected by wokeshit in games because it has literally never been an issue in any game worth caring about. If you could point to actually good franchises and games being ruined by wokeshit you might have a point, but its literally, always, every single time without fail a garbage game that was doomed to be garbage from the start. If you are struggling with wokeshit in games, this might be more of an issue with you having shit taste and playing AAA slop for retards and getting upset that your slop isn't the right flavour of slop.
>>726911252I have literally never had any issues with wokeshit in games because its only a problem with games that were going to be shit anyway. If this is a problem for you, maybe you should stop playing shitty games.
>>726910719Maneater. Went from a grindy game facebook tier game about a shark taking revenge on a hillbilly and eating humans and fish and breaking down nuclear plant covers with the occassional snarky comment from the narrator to every second line being about environmental issues and the influence of latestage capitalism on the ocean. It was so retarded. But it's not like you actually asked in good faith all you care about is "pretending" that you're retarded like all day every day.
>>726910572Lmao
>>726911079You know it's just so weird that the new obsession with gender gave rise to so many stories, and it's so strange that these imaginative, singular stories spawned from unique individual brains hold onto the same grouped ideology you belong to.Nobody gives a shit that a computer is genderless. Nobody gives a fuck if there's an alien over there with nonstandard or inhuman biological norms. What you do is push your current fascination and castigate all those that don't fall in line. Your pointless political brainrot is just proof of a compromised game made first and foremost to hopefully force the world to bow to your current fascination. You wouldn't play MAGA's back: Billionaires are people too. Why would anybody play your trash?
>>726911423>Went from a grindy game facebook tier gameAnd "Grindy facebook tier game" is what you consider to be "good"?
>>726911350Dragon Age: Origins was okay, a 6/10 game. It had a universe that with a little polish could be made good, just like Mass Effect. Veilguard threw it al directly in the trash to fundamentally rework the setting to become in line with current progressive ideology.
>>726896758I know you're baiting but r/GCJ genuinely believes AC: Shadows was a massive success to this day.Which is really funny to me and makes me L O L out loud.
>>726911568>Dragon Age: Origins was okay,Dragon Age: Origins and the first Mass Effect were 90% completed before EA bought Bioware, thats why they were actually decent games that had people excited for the potential of the sequels. Now compare Veilguard to the games actually made by """"Bioware"""", Dragon Age 2, Inquisition, Mass Effect 2, 3 and Andromeda, all shit games.
>>726895170>not even hiding he comes to the video game board to discuss politics
The left is adamant that the future is a fat, brown mulatto twerking on the ruins of western civilization. And that's exactly what they'll get. The funny part is this won't make them satisfied, happy or self-loving so it will all be for nothing in the end.
>>726911350>woke made these games bad>NO THEY WERE GOING TO BE BAD ANYWAYWell unfortunately you can't go to some alternate universe and bring forward a "Politically normal" version of those games to properly evidence that they were always doomed, can you? You think these studios all going "woke" is a result of them losing confidence in themselves and jumping on a bandwagon to hopefully appeal to any market whatsoever. I'm of the opinion that the gradual global polarization of political stance has led to the studios simply following with the rest of their political side. The very existence of these terrible woke games from compromised studios is more evidence of my view than yours.
>>726911684ME2 was also okay. Over-streamlined, way too much was lost in the transition, but it was still fine to play after it all.
>>726911497How did I know you were going to get pissy and try to argue over nothing? It was good enough for what it was considering there aren't a whole lot of bigger fish eating smaller fish yeah and I enjoyed the time I had with it. And I would've enjoyed it a lot more if the narrator didn't start sperging out in the second half with insultingly preachy views and talking down on me for playing the game.
>>726911925Wasn't Mass Effect 2 literally the game that birthed the "We want the call of duty audience" meme?
>>726911837Why do you care that shitty games you weren't going to play anyway were "ruined" by woke shit?
>>726912015No I think that was DA2. The AWESOME BUTTON.
>>726912043reading comprehension lad
>>726906489Woke - An ever changing standard of pseudo-virtuosity based in identity politics. Wokeism is characterized by an unconditional conforming to and propogation of that standard and a combative, dismissive shaming and silencing of criticism and non-compliance.
>>726894405Well that was quick. /thread
>>726912043Because frequently, those games are in series that I otherwise enjoy. You can watch the quality and idea pool die in real time. So I see these "Woke" actors gain control of a studio, I see the games become shit as a result, and you expect me to not connect the dots? The Batman Arkham games were pretty easy but they were very good superhero games. Suicide Squad is an unrecognizable woke mess.
>>726911765>this won't make them satisfied, happy or self-loving so it will all be for nothing in the endJust like seceding from the biggest Empire in the world at the time didn't satisfy them in 1776, or forcefully dethroning a Monarchy and remaking the West in their image didn't in 1790, and so on.
>>726912228>Because frequently, those games are in series that I otherwise enjoy.Like what?
>>726912257reading comprehension lad>the Batman Arkham games
>>726912257Read, nigger. I literally mentioned one such series and studio in that post.
>>726912056I stand corrected, it was DA2
>>726908907>Oh yeah? What if your objectivist city got invaded by psychic mutants? What then?It's pretty slop as an actual "critique" I fear. Fun game though.
>>726912309>>726912313>Bamham slop and suicide squad
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>>726912426merely pretending to be retarded doesn't work as an excuse for your mental retardation when you do it all day every day broski. you may not see it but your brain is already degrading.
>>726912426And no arguments, as expected. Kill yourself, controlled opposition.
>>726894929I will kind of concede, but the gameplay and the puzzles weren't woke, but they were made with the least common denominator in mind niggers, although they don't play these types of games. Which circles back on the woke thing, but on the basis of woke as a game design principle, which goes beyond the representation angle, and exposes the DEI rot to its core.
>>726912426Whatever happened to conceding and bowing out gracefully? This is pathetic.
>>726894324Veilguard itself is a dead horse.It's so awful that not even faggots like it.Much more interesting is the implication of its failure on gaming media, since they all praised it to hell and back before the turd hit the waterAlso how Veilguard is literally just the consequences of Bioware listening to the retarded Dragon Ages fans that liked Inquisition.Basically every issue Veilguard has is just something that Inquisition did but on a lower scale
>>726912713>HOW COULD THE WOKE DO THIS TO ME? I FUCKING LOVED SUICIDE SQUAD BEFORE IT WENT WOKE??
>>726912240>It's another "modern leftist compares themselves to historical liberals" episode even though modern leftist ideology is just worshipping corporations and criminalsI hate reruns.
>>726912893reading comprehension lad>The Batman Arkham games were pretty easy but they were very good superhero games. >Suicide Squad is an unrecognizable woke mess.
>>726912905>modern leftist compares themselves to historical liberalsI'm sure you would.
>>726913013Schizo are you okay? Are you okay schizo?
>>726912934>>Suicide Squad is an unrecognizable woke mess.Yes, and you ironically have the Arkham games to thank for that. Those games turned Harley into what she is today.
>>726894324It sinned in the worst way possible: by being boringI am ready to accept lesbians, transsexual characters, ugly characters, but I will not suffer the game making me wish devs could refund the time I spend playing the game
veilguard had the most stable release out of any AAA game in recent memory. it's crazy how good it ran on almost any machine. the game itself was very mid and dragon age only in name.
>>726913051That's insane, you're insane.
>>726913046Are (You)? What part of >>726912240 told you I was a leftist?
>>726912893Can you keep going so more anon lurkers can see how disingenuous and pathetic people like you are? Thank you.
>>726913051FUCKING WOKE TRASH WHERE'S THE CLEAVAGE? WHY ISN'T SHE DRESSED IN A SLUTTY HALLOWEEN COSTUME? SHE'S ALL COVERED UP, BATMAN TAS WOULD NEVER
>>726913170Harley wasn't a gutter trash rave slut before the Arkham games, and now she's a sex positive feminist lesbian icon because they turned her into this >>726913390
>>726913390can you ai gen a crow with a ponytail
ALL POSTERS ITT DROP DOWN AND GIVE ME 50 BARVS
>>726913504She's literally in a pleather bodysuit.
>>726894324The game is just bad.It has shallow flashy button masher combat and shallow marvel/romance fantasy novel story.Even if the game has the least woke characters ever it still would have bean a shell of the original games.It has more in common whit a modern action adventure corridor cinematic game than an actual RPG.Anyone who think being woke is its only crime is just a retard who actually believes grifters who farm outrage for YouTube money.
>>726913948"Woke"shit is the core of the game. Everything else is an afterthought. That's WHY the game is as bad as it is.
>>726913928Yes, standard super hero/villain stuff.
I played maybe half of Veilguard because it was on PS+, and could probably look over the mediocrity of basically every part of it, but the kind of game it is simply cannot work without characters people either like or are interested in to keep them going, and the game's characters are literally nothing. I think people can handle a lot of woke, but when it results in sanitizing characters and drama down to nothing that's a bridge too far. You have characters that should be at best morally gray like an assassin, necromancer, tevinter mage, etc and everything is portrayed like you're in fucking kindergarten. I just kept thinking back to that moment in Origins when Duncan, a typically heroic character type, explains how joining the wardens works and murders someone for trying to back out because this is serious business with real consequences. Then in Veilguard they can't even have a necromancer without being sure to inform you that every unnatural abomination was made from consensual donors. You can't tell these fucks off either. Sera in Inquisition was awful, but at least she made you feel something (hatred) and you could tell her to go fuck herself.At the halfway point of Veilguard I realized the entire rest of the game was just companion quests and decided to delete the game instead of blow my brains out.
>>726914082She's literally in BDSM gear and Timms made her a questionable bisexual with Poison Ivy. She has multiple other outfits, most exuding "Party girl" aesthetics.
>>726894324It’s very simple, it was bad because it was woke. It not simply that woke shit is inherently bad and lowers the quality of everything it’s forced into but that the fags behind this trash were so focused on it that they ignored everything else.
>>726914241The Bamham games ruined Harley
>>726909642Tell yourself that faggot. The big difference is you would be back to crying the same pre-2014 narrative about objectification and how games are sexist and need to be “more mature”
>>726914491The arkham games redesigned most villains to some degree. You are just retarded. You can clearly see a difference in representation in suicide squad as well.
>>726894405this
>>726894324Both. Amazing I know
i will never understand how fags will come to 4chan and defend woke. it must be low iq
>>726914491for me? it’s the animated series early seasons harley with the stupid annoying new jersey accent which turns me on for some reason
>>726915009Most of them are American; all they've known for nigh on 250 years is some predecessor of Woke.
>>726915136Based actual Harley appreciator
>>7269150094chan has a lot of influence over what gains popularity on the internet. So retards try to come here and push/defend their agendas in hopes that it will lead to it being accepted.
>>726915009I'm not here to defend woke, I'm here to try and stop retards from seething about shitty games being shitty and acting as if the woke is at fault, and not the fact that the games were shit. This kind of nonsense causes retards to shit up actual game discussion for everyone that isn't obsessed with seething about woke shit just because its woke. If a game is shit, talk about why its a shit game so you prevent both people that do and don't give a fuck about woke shit from buying it. When you zero in on the woke shit and never talk about why the game is actually just a shit game, its meaningless for everyone that doesn't already agree with you and belongs more on places like reddit or resetera where a games quality is determined by how much it aligns with the agreed upon political views for the groupthink.
>>726894324Both, but it was bad because it was woke. It's not just the awful characters and the writing, but that also directly impacts all aspects of the world building. Obviously these degenerate assholes would also hire based on their woke indoctrination, so the game would suffer in other areas, due to all the incompetent browns, fags, trannies, women and so on.
>>726915896why are you brown
>>726894324>because it was bad or because it was wokeThose two are the same thing.>But muh Baldur's Ga-You have shit taste.
>>72691601850% scottish, 25% Irish, 25% German mixI'm just old enough to remember when /v/ used to make fun of people for caring more about the politics of a game than they care about the game itself. This is literally why /v/ started getting angry at feminists in the first place. Not for being feminists, but because they were screeching online and trying to bully devs for making games that didn't appeal to them, and acting like they were being personally attacked when someone had political views they didn't agree with. You retards are just as obnoxious as they were, and for all the same reasons. If you can't shit on a game for being shit without bringing up politics, you have nothing of value to say.
>>726916189>reddit spacing
I was really happy to see this woke garbage fail and laugh at all the corpoleftist shills losing their minds.
>>726894963because it has no actual fans
>>726915136>for some reasonDumb women are sexy as fuckhttps://youtu.be/rsh8ZxXzsCY?feature=shared
