modder btfo'd
fuck yeah, I love big companies getting their way!
j*wish subscription j*w 0 - 1 video games
why are modders such bitches
>>731160420Yes, this is only okay when Nintendo does it.
>work on something that becomes your job>company decides your work should be free for everyone for zero reason
This is only going to get worse. Modders are quickly becoming the most self-important retards on the planet. He has zero legal right to charge for something that uses CDPR's assets, but had the choice to simply make it free. Instead he pulled a bitch move and ruined it for everyone.
>>731160508god complex and a hugbox discord server
>>731160342>$10 monthly subscription on Patreonkek
So many mods will be lost media
>>731160528you can't just take someone else's shit and sell it, retard. That's not how it works.
https://kemono.cr/patreon/user/55457231?tag=Cyberpunk+2077
>>731160629Kek why are troons so fascist
>>731160528Rest in peace AM2R and Shanghai.EXE
>>731160663Oh if I launch CP2077 then CDPR has their own VR mode I can turn on?
>>731160508Did you miss the part where he makes $20k a month from his mods? I mean yeah, fuck him. But he is successful in his bullshit
>>731160528he's profiting off their game tho
>>731160663It should be though. He added something of value and should be allowed to charge something for it. But IP laws are broken
>>731160480SPBP
>>731160342how was he btfo when he deleted his mod?cd project is btfo for not having a vr mod for their game.
>>731160528It's not that complicated though. Don't try to profit off somebody else's work. The terms to modding has always been basically "okay, you are free to modify our shit but don't try to make money off it". If you don't like it, you are free to not modify their shit, it's not rocket science.
>>731160748You could argue the same for streamers, restreaming an entire games worth of content and profiting off it
>>731160814watching a stream is free though
>>731160814Streamers are advertisers and shills.
>>731160528>be builder on contract under a boss>boss gets taken on to add an extension to someone’s house>build extension>start charging randos rent in that extended room because you built ituhh, yeah no. get fucked. mods shoukd be free otherwise go make your own fuckin game. retards. fuck self righteous modders.
>>731160342I have never played Cyperpunk 2077 nor will I ever, due to them cutting content, lying, and releasing a completely broken game.
>>731160814Publishers literally pay streamers to advertise their game for them dumbass
>>731160420>>731160528Create something original
>>731160420luke needs to make his own game and show them how its done
>subscription based modgood riddance nigger, eat SHIT
just pirate the mod files lmfao what’s the fuckin problem
>>731160342I felt bad for this dude after the GTAV mod got nuked too. Genuinely saddening. Bitches fucking everywhere.
>>731160814that is the case in japan, yes
>>731160342Just upload it on Github for somewhere. It's the internet, not retail shopping.
>>731160420all the guy had to do was make it free retard
If something is worth money to someone, then it should be allowed. He isn't profiting off their game, he's profiting off the work he did to their game. Writing your own code, creating your own assets, designing your own quests, or anything in the neighborhood of that is still your work. If you make mods for TVs that turn flatscreens into a picture frame, it's still your work. I still prefer mods to remain free but if someone wants to make something and someone wants to pay, then it's their business.
>>731160761IP laws are broken in terms of duration, not this shit. You cannot charge money for modifying someone else's work, that's plagiarism. If the IP owner doesn't sell or license their work then you can't use it. It's that simple.
>>731160814Not an unreasonable comparison, but it's more like if the modder had donation links rather than locking the content behind a paywall. Which I assume CDPR is fine with, given that it's a real common practice. But it's not wrong to say mods are adding value to the game just like streaming is free advertising, and similarly you've got Atlus over there restricting people from streaming their games with bizarre rules.
I am conflicted. On the one hand I don't want to be on a multimillion zloty corporation's side, but on the other hand, fuck anyone taking money for a fucking mod.
>>731160814he could just make a ko-fi profile like every other modder and ask for support that way
>/v/ defending paid subscription modsholy moly
>>731160814It's the same yes. And if he didn't lock the mod behind a paywall but set up a donation link and rake in the tips like streamers do, he would have been fine.
Bad publishing. They should have just let him be or do their own VR version
>>731160342This one is actually deserved though. It's one thing if he wants to have some sort of donations thing to fund his modding endeavors, it's quite another to paywall things profiting off CDPR's work.>>731160528He's freeriding, and you know that.
>>731160761that's fucking retarded, you don't get the right to charge for shit someone else made just because you added something
>>731160881Shit analogy, doesn't work under the circumstances. >EULA and ToS never hold up in court>Luke who bought his copy of the game, and Patreon subscriber #2346 bought their own copy of the game, and he supplies a file to add extra content to itI don't see how CDPR has any leg to stand on
>>731160342Game modding is such a joke these days. What retards are paying for mods enough to make this guy 20k a month?
>>731160342So why exactly cant you just download the mod and reupload it? Like if a games not for sale just find a torrent. Basically, who cares
Total sellout death
>>731160663>I buy a car>I "mod it" by putting new tires on it. >I sell the car with custom rims/tires. >Company says I cant do that because they made the car
>>731160761By modifying the game you are breaking copyright laws. Is up to the copyright holder to sue your ass off.
>paid moddingI hate to agree with menstrual day off" nu-CDPR on anything but I have no complains here
KWABOOTY
>>731160814difference: streamers stream it for free and the company gets free advertising from it
I remember some faggot server doing this for Star Wars: Jedi Academy. They had a locked private server with modded weapons and you had to sign up to their gay community site and pay a subscription to access it. I reported them to Lucas Arts. Fuck you, j*w.
>>731160342>gamers want to make games free encouraging sailing boatsBig corpo: No! You must pay for 0s and 1s!>modders want to charge $ for the effortBig corpo: No! Only us should profit!
>>731160342In a few month these polish skyrim dev hacks will steal his mod, alter it alittle and release it as paid dlc behind a $20 paywall and retards will still fucking pay for it
>>731161207>>I sell the car with custom rims/tires. with a fucking subscription fee? what are you gonna do, steal the tires when i stop paying?you should unironically be gunned down
>>731160979it's the fault of his own greed
>>731160629>modding DRMI remember when that autistic fuck kaldien got banned from the steam forums multiple times over this
>>731160814You could argue, but you would be called a retard.You are using the game as it is first of all, not modifying.You are not charging for anyone who want to see it, streamers get money from adds and sponsors.
>>731161207>food analogy
>>731161210To be fair, menstrual day off should be a thing universally everywhere. The only reason you would disagree with this is if you hated women, in which case you deserve to die alone.
>>731160761>But IP laws are brokenYou say that but they're working as intended, protecting the creators and forcing the lazy to be creative.
>>731161207If you believe that digital goods are the same as physical goods then you must also believe that piracy is stealing.
>>731160420if you want to charge for mods just make your own fucking game. The very existence of your mod exists entirely at the whim of the corpo who gave you a very small carve out license to make your sloppa with.Nu-modders are such cancer it's unreal.
>>731161229He's right. And he should have stuck to his guns and not removed. It's like how the OpenMW team told Bethesda they had no leg to stand on.
>>731161162>I don't see how CDPR has any leg to stand onThat's because you're a fucking idiot who doesn't know that copyright and eula are two different things.
>>731161161Pretty sure everyone here knows and the people "arguing" against you are doing so in bad faith deliberately.
>>731160342technically they didn't take it down
>>731160342Fuck him
>>731160342Rare corpo win.
>>731160342Deserved, fuck all modders who paywall their shit.
>>731161162fuck modders anyway. put your little mod out, and sit the fuck down know your place.
the real issue at large here is why the fuck would anyone pay for mods
>>731161089retarded comparison
>>731161345nice bait, still aren't going to get laid by doing this anon.
you're all fucking faggots I swear to god
>>731161449Coomers
>>731160761Yes but without Cyberpunk his mod wouldn't exist. The reason the mod is making profit is because it's directly tied to a highly popular and successful game. You wouldn't just walk into someones store, set up your own stand and start selling your own products would you?
>>731161229I'm not familiar with his shit, but his response reads like he designed some plug-in that hooks into any game and makes VR possible.Is that the case, or was it SPECIFICALLY a mod for Cyberpunk that got taken down?
>>731161229Thai lukeross guy is going to get his ass handed to him.
>>731161151...or, he could have just made it free like they asked
>>731161369>Car mechanics shouldn't exist! They profit solely on fixing cars made by other companies. If they want to fix or modifier cars, they should build their own car!That's how stupid you sound.
>>731160748>>731160663You are allowed to profit off other people's work as long as you respect copyright laws. He is free to sell paid mod for any game he wants just like you are free to sell paid mods for any car brand you want. As long as it doesn't contain actual game assets, he's legally clear, and doing what everyone else in the world is doing in every single industries.
>>731161161Except he isn't selling a free copy of CP2077??Its a bunch of files, that when you so happen to put into CP2077's folder, enables a VR mod. Using entirely his own code, nothing from CDPR
>>731161162>EULA and ToS never hold up in courtWhe they go againts your rights. The licence of a game doesn´t go against it.>Luke who bought his copy of the game, and Patreon subscriber #2346 bought their own copy of the game, and he supplies a file to add extra content to itIts the other way arround, retard. That modder created some files, that needed the original game in order to run.
>>731161540Are you really equating repair of a physical object with a mod?
>>731160342I wish FromSoft/Bamco did this to every mod, paid and freewould be hilarious
>>731161483>CoomerThat is me all the way, and no way in hell will I ever pay for a mod
>>731161391I mean, is he? I know fuckin nothing about his mod, but even calling it a mod and the ability to take the CP2077 brand of it down kind of immediately states that it's not some generic 'convert any game to VR' software, but something that intrinsically requires the game CP2077 to run. Just because the fucker has done similar for other games doesn't make the package itself not a mod for CP2077.
>>731161391Is OpenMW locked behind a subscription?
>>731160342Unironically based of CDPR. Free mods must be protected as a cultural institution.
you can always contest the dmca if you think you're able to argue it in court?In general I think it should be fully legal to mod a game and sell the mod, the part you worked on and it doesnt remove value from the base game so who care.
>>731161462I'm 38 and have 3 kids, you couldn't have picked a worse guy to try that on lmao. Try your countless other incel loser friends here.
>>731161560>Using entirely his own codeLmao
>>731161207you joke but there are car companies that actually do this
>>731161597You just aren't horny enough
>>731161560Doesn't matter, copyright or protects against any form of modification.
>>731160748One could argue cprd are profiting from all of Studio Triggers work saving this dog shit game which was 1 month ago from becoming like dustborn.The Loli stays - literally saved the fucking failed game because it brought normalfags to it, fake anime fans, retards that hate lolis angry if becky showed up in a dlc, the company themselves not stating if becky would/wouldn't appearIf Trigger hadn't saved this shit game then these hack devs would be sat next to the devs of the latest assassins creed game
>zoomfaggots paying for netflix and other video streaming services>zoomfaggots paying for spotify>zoomfaggots paying for youtube premium>zoomfaggots paying for fucking third party modsare zoomers the most cucked generation?
>>731161207A car is not a licence (yet). The most they can do is to refuse technical assistance if you modify the car.
>>731161493it's a render wrapper software, with specific specialized plugins per gamehe took down the plugin that was specifically designed around for cyberpunkkind of like how reshade works
>>731160663He's not selling basedberpunk, all these analogies are shit. He's selling a cleaning service for the car you buy from CDPR. There's nothing morally or legally wrong with this and it should absolutely be established in courts that it's allowed.
>>731161229Am I having a stroke? I know nothing about the dude or his mod but if it's a general software for multiple games like he says instead of something specifically only made for Cyberpunk, why would he receive a DMCA from CDPR?
>>731161602No but Bethesda tried to go after them anyways. Its not like AM2R was saved by being free.
>>731161602Not the argument. Take money out of the equation because the result is the same. It's his work. If the OpenMW team wanted to license their engine, they can. They do not provide you with any intellectual property of Bethesda.>>731161593Yes. Company creates product, and industries pop up modifying or repairing these products. Just because it's digital doesn't change the concept.
>>731161345I support it because I hate women and they're even more insufferable when they're PMSing cunts.
>>731161739>UUAAAAGHHH I !!MUST!! PAY FOR MODS OHH DADDY YEAH STICK IT IN MY ASS NEXT
>>731161739Nah. Fuck paid mods. IDGAF.
>>731161678>soillennial unc thinks zoomers have moneyIts you who is buying this shit and nobody else KEK
>>731161792>No but Bethesda tried to go after them anywaysThey never did
>>731161493Even if its some kind of "injector", it should have been tailored specifically for the game, or it wouldn´t run correctly.
>>731161719Then who gives a shit?The devs of this one game don't want you making money from their game.Go work on mods for other games if you want to make money.>But this was the mod I was making the most money fromSo? Go make your own game if you want income security.
>>731161813>Just because it's digital doesn't change the concept.Yeah, yeah it does. I'll give you five minutes to see the inherent issue with your analogy.
>>731161709>yetoh boy...if you only knew
>>731161787he's being obtuse, it's just basically a bundle of mods, the fact that it had a specific one for cyberpunk proves that he's full of shit
>>731161634You sound like a woman.
>>731161089>He isn't profiting off their gameHe is.
>>731161871>The devs of this one game don't want you making money from their game.It's not their place to decide that. Just like it's not yours to tell me to stop going to work.
>>731160629>DRM malwarebased
>>731161787For it to work in CP2077 they should have to make some adjustments at least, specifically for the game.
>>731161830not shit you won't have money if you are okay with renting everything by the month
>>731161314>with a fucking subscription fee?Car are already "sold" with subscriptions.
>>731161943You might as well say that motherboard makers profit off of power supply makers and should be able to copyright infringe them then.That's just retarded. He's selling his mod, so he's profiting off his own work. It doesn't matter how his mod is meant to be used.
>>731161946>It's not their place to decide that.Yes, yes it is. They have ownership of the game and as such they have the legal right to defend the game from any form of monetisation and modification.
Whats the mod do exactly?
>>731161906What part exactly are you arguing? If he wrote a program to modify a game at runtime, that's his code. It's not owned by CDPR. Just like that paid VR mod Vorpx (or whatever) from a few years back. You don't have to like it or agree with it. I don't like paid mods. But I also don't like mega corps thinking they own your work just because it's for their game. If I make a bunch of wall textures for a game, but I also sell those wall textures in a separate pack, it's not the developers wall textures... Stop replying to my posts if you're not going to provide an actual argument other than your whiny feelings.
>>731161365He's not reselling the game. He's providing a third party service. I don't see the issue with charging for that.
>>731160342I think most people like the idea of a mod author being able to make money off of their mods, since modding is often times pretty hard work and takes maintenance and updates, but it’s a simple fact that once you throw money into the equation everything changes. They’re no longer creating content out of love for the game, it’s just another product trying to optimize money extraction. And sometimes that’s cool since money is a good motivator for big projects, but I think Valve’s Steam Workshop experiment with payed mods and Bethesda’s Creation Club and Microsoft’s Minecraft Store shows that it’ll quickly turn into a low quality cesspool.
>>731162064>You might as well say that motherboard makers profit off of power supply makers and should be able to copyright infringe them then.I'll argue with you when you come up with a functioning analogy.
>>731161739>all these analogies are shit>compares modding to cleaning a carThis borders on satire
>>731160725Somalis make 1 million a year, but you don't see me call them based
>>731160342>>731161229get fucked retard
>>731162064You can´t be this retarded....
>>731162084Sure. He's not selling a download to the game so he's in the clear then.>defend the game from any form of modification.Modding is legal in the vast majority of the world.
>people expecting mods to remain free in a world were 90% of kids grow up with iOS as their main OSKEK. It hasn't even started
>>731160814It's not the same you retard. Watching a streamer is free and they also make free publicity for them.
Since when have mods started getting paywalled and getting hit with fucking drm? I feel like I just woke up in bizarro world. What the fuck?
>>731160528Stop violating the social contract and this shit doesn't become a problem that requires a lawful contract. The reason that modding was even a thing is because there was the unsaid agreement that you wouldn't profit off it without the consent of the company involved. Did you know that a bunch of Doom WADs were packaged and sold with Id's permission because it was hard for people to distribute them and modders wanted people to experience their work? I have 1100 Doom levels on CD with a built in launcher that I paid 10 bucks for. Now imagine instead that was one guy that made 1 level that he demands you pay 10 bucks a MONTH for to be able to play and if you try to play it without being in his subscription server, the game shuts down and a pop up comes up telling you that you can suck shit and ding dong bannu. Of course the people that make the game are going to step in and do something about it. Do what everyone else does and ask for donations. Keep trying to be a little bitch about it and watch as every single dev tells you to fuck off, stop modding their games or face legal repercussions.
>>731162106>to modify a game at runtime>to modify a game at runtime>to modify a game at runtime>TO MODIFY A GAME AT RUNTIMESee the problem there, retard?
https://www.cdprojektred.com/en/fan-content>No commercial usage. We’d love for your fan content to be created by fans, for fans. Therefore, you cannot do anything with our games for any commercial purpose, unless explicitly permitted otherwise below (e.g. see section 3 about videos and streams). We’re happy for you to accept reasonable donations in connection with your fan content, but you’re not allowed to make people pay for it or have it behind any sort of paywall (e.g. don’t make content only available to paid subscribers).>this makes the modder seethe
>>731161787>why would he receive a DMCA from CDPR?Because it's rendered into their engine/game that they own
>>731162256>>mods to remain freeCan’t you just download it off of some file sharing site?
>>731160528He can make free mods and live on donations. Isn't Summertime Saga free? And that lazy shitbird makes more than 20k a month
>>731160342Charging for mods is evil. Glad that CD Projekt is proactive about taking them down. I wish Bethesda did the same for all the paywalled animation mods for Skyrim.
>>731161035what stops people from doing this? surely they wouldn't be able to sue you over modified code and art assets substantially based on someone else's IP? but i don't know the ins and outs of IP law
>>731162104Adds VR
>>731162125>I don't see the issue with charging for thatBecause your parents are siblings. You are charging on the basis of someone else´s software.
>>731162106>If he wrote a program to modify a game at runtimeThis is the problem anon, this is the exact problem. Modification of a game he doesn't own.The logic doesn't apply to a physical object because you own that physical object, your car is YOUR car.
>>731162279Point it out with an actual legal argument because so far i see nothing
>>731161540Intellectual property isn't real. Furthermore car mechanics are giant bootlickers who are all too lead poisoned to realize they won't be allowed to repair cars in the near future.
>>731160342kek, he charges a fucking monthly subscription for a mod?
>>731162279>continues making posts that do nothing but quote a line from the previous post and adds an insultJust stop posting. You're not good at this.
>>731162371>because your parents are siblingskek
>>731162314These will be gone as well when the people who run them fuck off and no one is able and or willing to replace them
>>731161853It took like two minutes of Googling to find, you retard.https://wiki.openmw.org/index.php?title=Email_2014081706Their main beef was over the fact that OpenMW was advertising itself as being playable on non-Windows (including mobile) platforms but you can plainly see they had brought up OpenMW using Morrowind assets (it doesn't) and the dev immediately corrected them.
>>731162236>Modding is legal in the vast majority of the world.It's not by the way. The only places where modding is legal are basically third world countries and China.
>>731162256>KEK. It hasn't even startedThen all those paid mods will face the same fate, unless the game´s creator decide to create an "storefront" for mods and let you charge for them for a fee.
>>731162409Increasingly common, sadly.
>>731162371They don't own my GPU and monitor, I am free to intercept those calls as I wish. If he's not breaking their DRM he's completely legally clear.
>>731160342Isn't the whole point of GOG that you own the game? What's the issue with someone selling software that allows you to modify YOUR game?
>>731161345i'll take it a step further, I don't think women should have to be in the workplace at all, and just to make sure no evil men try to force them into labor, we'll make it illegal for them to be employed
>>731162265Since things like patreon became a thing.Same with emulation, people actually pay for it.
>>731161813>Not the argument. Take money out of the equation because the result is the same.Eat shit niggerkike. I will not pay for mods.Kill yourself.
>>731162391Hi CDPR
>>731160420If they made it pay what you want CDPR would have likely looked the other way. It's really hard to not side with them here.
>>731161792>Its not like AM2R was saved by being free.That's because the ads on the host site were generating money.You can't make money, period.
>>731162465Bethesda never "went after them" you dumb fuck, it was misunderstanding about if OpenMW used assets or not
>>731162395>>731162391
>>731160528>jobModding a hobby
>>731161792>Its not like AM2R was saved by being free.Yeah because Nintendo is more litigious than CDPR? What the fuck is your point?
>>731162409Id bet that is for several mods/items.
>>731160342like Zeus and Asclepius
I can't believe the retards in this thread saying shit like "YOU DON'T OWN THE GAME" just to spite a modder. Enjoy that corporate cock.
>>731160629>mod authors get money>immediately implements DRM and subscription based downloading Tell me again why I should be mad at corporations for sending these greedy faggots C&Ds?
I hate copyright jewry and I'm not a big fan of CDPR, but I fucking despise paid mods and want anybody making them to fail so it isn't seen as a viable option so fuck this cunt. I see this outcome as the lesser of two evils.
>>731160663I can legally buy an aftermarket air cleaner or muffler for my car. he made the mod and it fits the game, he’s not selling the game he is selling an attachment for the game
>>731162547Good! Don't pay for mods, it encourages other faggots to start charging. But stop sucking corpo dick, faggot. A modders work is a modders work. If they don't contain IP, they can do whatever the fuck they want with it.
>>731162106>[No commercial use] Our Games and/or Services are made for you to enjoy. Don’t use them commercially (e.g. to make money) unless we expressly allow that (see our Fan Content Guidelines).>[No technical misuse] Don’t modify, merge, distribute, translate, reverse engineer, or attempt to obtain or use source code of, decompile, or disassemble our Games and/or Services, unless we expressly allow that in this Agreement or it is allowed by the applicable law.He signed the line, they came.
Good. DMCA all mods that cannot be accessed without donating to a kofi, patreon, subscribestar, etc. No, being able to kemono party it doesn't count as a workaround. Mods are not meant to be paid projects at all, let alone recurring subscriptions. And fuck the minecraft modding scene for starting this fucking cancer with the hiding download links behind advertisement pages.
>>731162750Worst part about it is that CDPR only asked for to switch the mod to optional payment, so if you wanted to support him you could
>>731162714You never owned the game, just the licence, you fucking retard.
crack that yte boys goofy ahh modjust like I crack that goofy ahh marty mcfly mod from that raytracing crackaon bd
>>731162645https://wiki.openmw.org/index.php?title=Bethesda_Emailswhy don't you read, you worthless piece of shit jesus christ I hate zoomers so fucking much>We’re big supporters of the mod community – we’ve been amazed by what fans have created on the PC w/ Morrowind in the past 12 years – but we have concerns when the tools (intended for use on a PC) are being used on new platforms, including tablets. This can become a problem on a number of fronts, particularly on the legal side of things.
>>731162729You shouldn't. CP77 is one of the most popular games on Nexus mods so it's not like they are sending their lawyers after everyone. They are just keeping fags who charge a subscription fee to use a mod in line, which is what they should be doing. The guy who made the VR mod is being a drama queen as a lot of popular modders are.
>>731160420A company can get fucked if they don't actively defend their IP. It's not really up to them.
>>731162754Which is against the binding ToS that CDPR have stipulated for fan works.
>>731162236>Modding is legalIt isn't, actually. The majority of the world considers it a criminal offense, with up to 10 years in prison in places like Japan and the US. The thing is that it is so wide spread in the US that most companies don't try to go after people for it, as it makes them look like dicks. This was the reason that the DMCA was made in the first place. If you have DRM in your game, that is a digital lock, if you circumvent that digital lock by any means, even if nothing has been "stolen", then you are in violation of the DMCA and can be fined or jailed. This is why the wrapper he made falls under this. It circumvents various protections in the game code to let outside code run and communicate with hardware that the devs never intended for the game to handle. This isn't a "bad" thing, but it still violates their digital media rights. If you want to act like the law is on your side about this, organize to repeal the DMCA so that companies have no say against modding.
>>731162754>can legally buy an aftermarket air cleaner or muffler for my carYeah, know why? Because it's your car. The company doesn't own your car or the concept of a car, just their brand so you can do whatever the fuck you want with it.Meanwhile modders do not own the game, this doesn't mean buying the game from steam by the way this is referring to the actual IP. You need to be the rights owner to have legal rights to ANY form of modification.
>>731161369>Nu-modders are such cancer it's unrealI can't remember the modder, but he does the coomer mods for Resident Evil games. He only releases them for a month if you're in the the highest tier.
>>731162846We know that, dumbass. It's a comment on how quickly you are to open your mouth for the boot.
>>731160342Only absolute faggots charge for their mods.
>>731162865>particularly on the legal side of things.They're giving the modders a heads up over something they don't have control over you sperg
>>731162645That was the entire reason Marc e-mailed him in the first place, fucktard. The mention of assets was an off-hand remark after bringing up mobile ports since he was already on the topic of 'things that bethesda doesn't appreciate'.
>>731162895>The thing is that it is so wide spread in the US that most companies don't try to go after people for it, as it makes them look like dicks.Oh they go after them all the time, they just pay most journos to not make articles about it.
Based.Fuck paid mods, but fuck subscription-based mods especially.The only time I side with the corporation over the modder is when they are greedy shits like this.
>>731160342Mods should be free. I'm getting tired of most mods being some kind of lost media because some retarded Mexican wants to make a quick buck.
>>731161678I'm not paying for anything though, it's retarded millennials that love this shit for some reason.
>>731161095>that's plagiarism.Hardly. That's like saying making third party controllers for the xbox is plagiarism.
>>731162865That just proves his point all they can do is concern troll because there is no infringement at all. OpenMW is not a derivative work at all it's a completely hand rolled engine.
>>731161662>copyright or protects against any form of modification.Oh? The game was modified?What did he change permanently about the game?Is that is what is happening or are you just guessing?
Is that mod even good?
People who are against paid mods have literally no arguments other than "I don't want to pay for mods".
>>731160342>people were ok with a subscription model for a fucking mod to the point the modder made 20kThis is not happy news, this is the standard that's about to come
>>731162951it's blatantly him saying 'this needs to be addressed otherwise it will cause legal problems' dipshit
>>731160663And yet we allow blacks to sample music and profit off of it
>>731160528>work on something that becomes your jobYour mistake, retard. Get a real job.
>>731162865why are you such a dishonest faggot? This was his reply to the clarification>Thanks for the clarifications, Marc.>To the part about projects related to OpenMW, I was basing that off this FAQ item on your site.>The above notwithstanding, OpenMW is a complete game engine. It is possible for other projects to use OpenMW as a base for a total conversion of the game. However, there are currently no known TC that does not require any asset from the original game.>Not knowing about your example suite project, my read through the FAQ led me to believe everything was still directly to Morrowind. From your response, I have a better understanding of how OpenMW works, and understand how it could be used for something completely unaffiliated with Morrowind.>If the OpenMW project has no plans for making Morrowind playable on mobile platforms as you say, then I don't think there's going to be any concerns on our end.>I'll let you know if anyone on our end has any follow up questions.>Thanks>Matt
>>731162895>repeal the DMCANever happening. The hollywood jews will never allow it.
>>731162920>It's a comment on how quickly you are to open your mouth for the bootI think its on how quickly you open yours to suck that modder´s dick, but for each their own i gues...
>>731163061bethesda doesn't have control over the legal process or copyright you sperg, Zenimax, bethesda is literally trying to proctect them from that potentially happening
>>731163019>>731163108>That just proves his point all they can do is concern troll because there is no infringement at allWOW IT'S ALMOST LIKE THAT WAS THE ENTIRE POINT OF THIS CONVERSATION>It's like how the OpenMW team told Bethesda they had no leg to stand on.>It's like how the OpenMW team told Bethesda they had no leg to stand on.>It's like how the OpenMW team told Bethesda they had no leg to stand on.
>>731163034>The game was modified?Anon, what do you think "mod" means?
>>731160420>>731160528you can't profit off of someone else's work without cutting them in
>>731163043No. It's a VR mod where you have to aim with your head instead of a controller. It uses alternate eye rendering too which gives you nausea. Look at something like Half Life 2's VR mod, which is free, where you can properly pick up, reload, and use guns. It works with Black Mesa and soon Entropy Zero.
>>731162409Many such cases. Gacha modding is plagued with it.
>>731163052
>>731160342>..generates 20k USD monthly from paid modsI know the intention was to get people mad about this because you're implying he's a leech or, "this dirty mod maker is making more than you wagies" or whatever.But instead, it more clearly shows that paid mods are viable and would probably just give bethesda the idea of trying horse armor again or a bigger effort for devs/stores to allow paid mods through them (with a cut).
>>731162895That would make every single overlay tool such as discord, rivatuner, & recording tools such as obs fraps and what not illegal and all criminal offenses. It's one thing for internet randos to ignore the law, but no, companies wouldn't jump into actual criminal offenses in droves in the hope it doesn't bite them in the ass.> If you have DRM in your game, that is a digital lock, if you circumvent that digital lock by any means, even if nothing has been "stolen"A VR mod does not circumvent a digital lock. Creating a game crack, but creating a mod that is meant to work with the original copy of the game does not circumvent anything, even if the devs strongly disagree with you doing it
>>731163052People who charge for mods should have their fingers broken.
cyberpunk doesn't need mods because they released an anime and it was actually the best game ever
>>731163174>Bethesda reaches out to ask if they plan to do mobile because the FAQ could be interpreted that way and it would be a legal issue>modder says no>Bethesda guy says "ok then, keep on carrying on" How can you possibly interpret this as "bethesda going after them"? I hate that you make me defend this nigger company btw.
>>731162371no you’re not. you can buy and own the software without owning a copy of the game which is also outside of the mod creators legal scope of responsibility
>>731163043noodle arms. it was ok
>>731163189Yes you can. That's why they're using DMCA abuse and not an actual legal filing.
>>731160342>modders rights!!! fuck those tranny freaks, I hate nerds so god damn much it's unreal.
>The free marketlmao
>>731163175>Anon, what do you think "mod" means?So you don't know?Just say you don't know.This isn't a mod to the game, it's a mod to how the game is displayed on your end.Those are two different things
>paying for modsSteam queens hit a new low every day
>>731163052Correct, paying for mods drives the cost of gaming for no added value. Every modder will ask $5 a month for their esp edits, while at the price of 5 mods you can get an official DLC with expansion level content, a terrible value proposition.
>>731162879tos aren’t legally binding
>>731163052And I agree with them, I hate paid mods too. But when they start stepping on my rights just to spite the faggot charging for his mod, that's when I have a problem.If a modder creates something that does not contain IP belonging to anyone but themselves, that is their fucking property and can do with it as they wish. Hate paid mods all you want, but don't side against a fucking company telling you what you can do with your creations. Just like MOD chips for consoles. Or the other dozen good analogies in the thread.
>>731160342PureDark does the same shit and gets away with it.
>>731160342Why are modders so fucking entitled?
>>731163074LMAO, check the "ownership" of sample and remix and you just might find out how much of media is snorted out of the same nose
>>731162754Games aren't fucking cars. They're works. It's like making a fancut of a movie and then selling it.
people taking about modding cars but some car companies like ferrari do not allow any kind of modding and sometimes they sue people who do.
why not... release it for free and ask for donations like everyone else, why be a greedy kike?
>>731163395take it up with legal.
>do work>charge for your work>this is bad apparently
>>731163052>People who are against paid mods have literally no arguments other than "I don't want to pay for mods".Yep, that's all you need. I don't want to pay money for some mod when it can and will be removed when the modder inevitably has a mental breakdown and deletes all of his mods. This shit happens all of the time in the modding community. Some tranny modder makes an interesting mod and then deletes it because he has his seasonal mental breakdown. Your mod isn't worth the money because of that reason alone. Fuck Jew-like modders and fuck paid mods.
>>731163460that’s like saying I should buy a second copy of the game in case I need to run it in administrator mode
>>731163327What does that thing do?>>731163359Not only you don´t know that workd, but neither the word "rethoric"
>>731160342based paid mods are cringe faggotry of the highest order
>>731163471Because he might make slightly less money :(
>>731163518Mods windows.
>>731163460If the fan-cut guy owns a copy of the original movie, as does the buyer of the fan cut, I don't see the problem with it. I can sell my DVD at the flea market It's like commissioning someone to do it for you. I don't give a fuck about your stupid IP laws.
>>731160342GoodYou don't get to make money from someone else's IP.If you want to sell something actually make it yourself
>>731163514The fuck are you even talking about? Running in administrator isn't even modifying code let alone selling anything.
>>731163491v is so retarded they’d rather live under a corporate dictatorship just to tell you how they didn’t pay for a mod
>>731162905HAHAHAHAHA. Man, I'm sorry dude. I hate to tell you, but those companies are now saying that you don't own the various parts of the car and that they can actually reserve the right to stop your car from starting if it detects after market parts because that is a danger to you and everyone else on the road. So if you hack your cars computer to activate the heated seats that are already installed in your car, but you didn't pay them for the "privilege" of having your heated seat package, which is now a subscription mind you. They will not allow your car to start until you take it to a technician to reset the car to factory settings before they take you to court for violating their Copyright.
>>731161560>nothing from CDPRThen why does it need the game installed and to be in the games folder?
>>731163491>sign the eula for a game that says never charge for mods>charge for your mods>get DMCA>this is bad apparently
>>731163543b-but he's doing THEM a service >:(
>>731160814The majority of companies have rules that ban streamers from locking streams behind a paywall.Only few games are allowed to be streamed for members only
>>731160342Yeah, fair use doesn't work if you're profiting off of someone else's IP.
>>731163395Tos is an agreement with a third party, you break the agreement, the thir party breaks with you.In this case, CDPR´s TOS stipulate that, if you make a mod that IS NOT PAID, they won´t sue your ass. Now then, this faggot broke the TOS, so CDPR understood their agreement was broken, so they warned that he would be sued if he keeps charging for it (wich is nice, other companies would directly sue you and fuck your ass for what it´s worth)
>>731163598His analogy is stupid to begin with. If you use a movie as an example the modder provides an ffmpeg script that will take in your legal copy and moves the scenes around. The modder doesn't distribute the actual film just a tool that modifies is.
>>731163654It doesn't. You can have the application on your computer, it's just not going to be useful without being used with the game.
>>731163598Say that again when you make something that some chink steals and resells for less. Bet you would change your tune.
Are there no alternative VR mods?
so uh, when is this getting leaked lmao
>>731161314anon, i...
>>731163684They asked him to do said service?
>>731160480This.A one time donation is fine. But a subscription is eweish
>>731163724Good point. >NOOOO you can't just pay for an app that automatically cuts up the movie and exports it into a fan-edit! YOU DON'T OWN THE MOVIE.These people are copo-cock-sucking morons.
>>731163625I’m so confused. Why would anyone spend so much time working on a mod for free and why does /v/ think they’re entitled to someone else’s work for free?
Can someone please explain to me why are modders always the biggest faggots on this earth
>>731160420the kike that puts a SUBSCRIPTION FEE on a mod is even worse than big companies spiritually
>>731163724>puts a yellow tinted plastic in from of your TV>thus modifying how you are viewing the movie>this is infringementThis is how dumb you sound
>>731163712why do they need to prevent mods in a single player game
>>731163712No, cocksucker, TOS saying that i can rape your sister if you break them are not legally binding. You don't have ground to sue mods for being mods. You can only sue them if they contain assets you own, and it being paid or not has zero legal weight to it.
>>731160420>Unironically supporting paying for modslmao
>>731163734What are you talking about? If they required my initial item to be bought first, why the fuck would I care?THE GAME STILL GETS SOLD, RETARD.
>>731163841Yes that's how dumb CDPR sounds I agree.
>VR modaren't we forgetting something?nothing of value was lost
>>731163818because 4chan is mostly literal paid shills and 3rd world shitskins
>>731163769well.. no, but you see they were implying it, you see with all those people who enjoyed the mod, CDPR might as well have asked me to!
imagine paying for a mod, do niggers really
>>731163569How exactly? If it disables things (by editing the registry, or removing files), it doesn´t collide with any copyright shit. Other thing would be if it modifies files from the SO, wich I don´t know.
>>731160342Should have bought it off the guy instead. Now everyone loses
>>731163935>not paying 300$ a month for modswhat are you poor?!
>>731163805>These people are copo-cock-sucking morons.Opposed to sucking some shitty modders cock?
People arguing in favor of CDPR just because they hate the idea of paid mods, are the types of useful idiots that will see mods get banned altogether one day.
>>731163942The exact same thing this mod does. It intercepts windows API and injects their own software. And like the modder said, it's a generic piece of software like reshade, it works on many different games not just cyberpunk.
>>731163863Because it never fucking stops at just ONE thing. You don't go>Well, I guess because it technically doesn't use any of our game files and just uses a wrapper to run outside code OVER the game, it isn't a mod of the gameThen every single joe smooh is now realizing there is a loop hole and tries to find out how they can charge people to mod game, while not "modding" game. You nip the problem in the bud, before people even worse then this piece of shit get wind and want to try something.
>>731163863You can't pick and choose when it comes to IP laws.
>>731164006Bro just don't buy the mod. That doesn't mean you need to give into corporations that are telling you how you can display graphics on your own computer.Is that what you want? Just to "own" some modder retard
>>731160956>good riddancewhy did you shill for adobe and the destruction of the flash player?
>>731164006I have stated numerous times I do not like paid mods nor will I pay for any of them. Your argument against this is hatred of paid mods. My argument in favor of it is hatred of companies telling you what you can do with your creations. You and I are not the same.
>>731160342i put my mods behind patreon to pay for my hrt
>smug ego filled modder gets fucked overalways a joy>said smug retard is selling mods with DRM
>>731160342Based but didn't go far enough, should've sued him and forced him into debt slavery isntead like Nintendo did with Bowser
>>731163935I will defend the right for small businesses to create and sell, doesn’t mean I bought their product
>>731163758uh oh..
>>731163818Mods were (and mostly are) used for training yourself, and create a portfolio to show to your future employers. People are against paid for several reasons1 normally the mods use tools created by the comunities of said games, wich work under the rule of fair use, that is, dont profit from it.2 As explained several times already inthis thread, paid modders profit from other´s work without consent.
GET FUCKED
>>731164080Except CPDR didn't cross a line like you're making an example off. They're holding the line from more faggot modders like this. This is a pro-consumer move if anything.
"People" arguing in favor of paid drm mods just to spite cdpr are the type of subhumans that will see everything cost a subscription one day.
>>731164150I think I know how this is going to turn out in the end and I'm looking forward to it
>>731163850Holy shit, is like arguing with leftists.THEY DONT PREVENT THE MAKING OF MODS, JUST THE PROFITTING FROM THEM
>>731160420Thankfully valve hasn't
>>731164040This, so much this! All mods need to be paid to protect them from being banned
>>731163359>This isn't a mod to the game, it's a mod to how the game is displayed on your end.That's still modifying the game.
>>731164090whatwhen did i say anything about flash or adobeare you confusing me for some personal poopdickschizo of yours
>>731160480based and correct
People hate paid mods so much they even told lord gaben to fuck right off with that shit, that is how you know people hate it
>>731164251how does this guy making money affect them
>>731160342The mod is dogshit anyways. Blurry as fuck and has no VR controls.
>>731161229you have to pay for rivatuner?
>>731164040No, you are the fucking idiot. If this shit isn't stopped now, you have two paths.1. Paid mods become just as absolute slop as what companies are putting out now in an attempt to chase what money they can.2. Companies get tired of the drama caused by idiot modders that can't run PR and damage the brand, so ban mods.People know that you get what you pay for, if a mod is bad, but it was free, you shrug your shoulders and move on. If you paid for it and something doesn't work or it destroys your setup, idiots will go to the company, doubly so if the mod dev either ignores them or actively antagonizes them. Either one, I do not want. Even if, by some miracle, paid mods didn't end up a cess pool. I would NEVER pay for mods, because why the fuck would I quadruple the price I paid for a game?
>>731164320no, he's just retarded
>>731163518it literally says in the picture you stupid fuck get out of this thread go post in a palworld thread or something
>>731164186They aren't in charge of what you do, and I don't know why you would want them to be>>731164267No? How are you still confused at this. If you turn your monitor off while you are playing does it modify the game? The game is running the same as it was before, that is what is happening here
>>731163859>TOS saying that i can rape your sister if you break them are not legally bindingAnd you could go to a court and go against that part of the TOS, or simply don´t comply with such term, and wait for the company you signed the TOS with to try and go to court to sue you for not letting them to rape your sister.But the rest that DONT GO AGAINS YOUR RIGHTS, is still on place, an you are bound by it.
>>7311642412077 VRemake?
>>731163652>and that they can actually reserve the right to stop your car from starting if it detects after market partsNTA but Europe laws say no. It's why John Deere only gets away with what they do in America while the rest of the world just doesn't care.
>>731160420A company existing does not make everything they do wrong and evil.This guy tried to make a livelihood off of another companies IP.Maybe he should make his own video games if he wants to earn money for it
I swear the only reason there is so much shilling for this tranny modder is that it's either he paid retards to shill him on rhis board or it's a fucking GCJ raid. There is no fucking way there is this much shilling for someone making you pay a subscription and putting drm on a fucking mod.
>nu-/v/ unironically defends paid modscan't wait for post 2016 tourists to mass rope
>no one is willing to make a mod for free>people just cry and bitch instead of making an alternative modIt's not an ideal situation but I can understand the dude
>>731164401>Europe lawsLMAO, europoor can't even defend their territory but you think they can defend their laws?
>>731164354mod hosting sites already sell subscriptions of their own and have their own standards for what they deem politically acceptable or not
>>731164365They aren't in charge of what I do because I'm not some faggot modder trying to make subscriptions for mods and yeah I'm glad they stop anyone that attempts this shitty behavior.
>>731164373>you can throw out half a contractthis guy
This retard gets into this sort of retarded drama like every two fucking days
>>731164457>mod hosting sites already sell subscriptionsyour paying for access to their download servers not for mods
>>731164436>I like guns but we should get rid of all the paid guns and keep the free guns >gets raped at gunpoint
>>731164302It's their IP they can tell people what they can and can't do with it. Don't like it? make your own game.
>>731164519>20k a monthFuck this guy
>>731164362Stop sperging out kid, I asked THE TECHNICAL aspects of the software, or, if you are to retarded to understand, HOW THAT SOFTWARE ACHIEVES THOSE MODIFICATIONS.
>>731164519>20k a month and he still has the audacity to bitch and whine what a greedy mother fucker
>>731163805Corpos want paid mods because they can outsource their DLC teams to the consumer, and take a 30% cut for free. CDPR could have taken 30% but decided to shut it down, not because they're against modding but because they aren't making royalties. This benefits you as a consumer.
>>731160342Go work for Bethesda if you want to pull that shit.
>>731164521ok and you’re paying for the guys vr mod shell not the games base files
>>731160420It's fine when they are standing up for consumer rights. Fuck Todd and the creation club.
>>731164302they have a rule that only they can profit of their games, trannymodders are not included
>>731164571You can 3d print or make your own guns for free pretty much in America.
>>731164418Strawman. Nobody is arguing for some nerd fucking charging for his mods. Why do you dickwads always do that? Misinterpret an argument so you can easily win?I. DO. NOT. WANT. PAID. MODSGet it through your head, fuck tard. WHY WOULD I WANT TO PAY. Is black and white all you see? Can you understand nuance? Let me break it down for you. I don't fucking want a company telling me what to do with something I created that has NOTHING of theirs. Where do you draw the line? When does your software YOU wrote become a "mod" for their game? Get it through your tiny brain, retard.
>>731164571who THE FUCK are you quoting, retard
>>731164571>he doesn't have a free gun to defend himselfKEK paidguncucks projecting again
Good. Id do the exact same thing if they were charging.
>>731164629They have rules against modifications to their game, one of their rules is that you cannot profit from it.
>>731164662you in 2 years
>>731163052There's nothing more psychotically anti-consumer than a powertripping modder with a paywall. That's a service problem, not a pricing problem.
>>731164365>The game is running the same as it was before, that is what is happening hereAnon, you are aware that the game has to be modified for VR compatibility, right?It's not a matter of lust plugging in a monitor and it outputting a split visual feed, the game has to be modified.
>>731164354paid mods r fine ur just doomposting>paid mods will become slopthen dont buy slop? nobodys forcing to you pay some random fucking modder moneythis isnt even a "if i boycott it itll go away" thing its literally a dont paypal random people money for a mod and it literally will never affect you
>>731164660>with something I created that has NOTHING of theirsso don't make mods
>>731164418>first reply proves right it's a redditor raiding to defend paid modslmao
I remember seeing a pepe on another thread about reporting paid mods, surly..
>>731164518You can, retard. THe only thing is if the other part of the deal acepts it. In this case would be>I sign a contract with you>You sign it too>Reached the moment, I refuse to let you fuck my sister>Then you, have 3 options, 1 is to sue me to try to force me to comply on letting my sister get fucked (You will loose), 2 break the deal and leave, and 3, you deal with it and keep the rest of the deal working.
>>731164737>>paid mods r fine ur just doompostingt. Luke
>>731163826because the kind of autism that makes you dedicate dozens or hundreds of hours on a thankless task for the love of the game usually correlates to being a massive sperg
>>731161650Yeah but the upside is you get to say you own a ferrari.
>>731164763I accept your concession.
Why doesn't he just make his own game and sell that as a subscription service?
>>731164731>Anon, you are aware that the game has to be modified for VR compatibility, right?And you are aware that you are wrong, right?
>>731164853He doesn’t need to, people are paying for the mod
>>731162994i don't mind modders seeking donations, there are those who legit pour their free time into making crisp clean quality shitbut yeah locking shit behind a paywall is maximum jewishness and i shan't reward it
>>731164827A mod is a modification of someone else's work. They are allowed to tell you what you can and cannot do because you're not creating something you're modifying something.It's obvious you're just trying to be a contrarian and have no actual argument
>>731164895not anymore
>>731164660>When does your software YOU wrote become a "mod" for their game?When it doesn't do anything by itself and needs the game to work? Fucking retard, the fact he still sells this shit, just removed the part that interacts with Cyberpunk and whatever Take Two sued him for. If it was some universal software that just werks he wouldn't be able to do that without taking down the entire thing
>>731164858Go on then, if the game isn't modified for vr compatibility why is a mod required?
>>731164934then why would he need to make a game now
>>731160342A VR mod sounds like paid work to me. Why not cut a deal with this guy and sell his mod themselves?
>>731160342Good, I hope they sue his ass into bankruptcy
>>731164926>A mod is a modification of someone else's work.No, it is not.
>>731161207The company can cry anything they want, but cant void you to resell your car, even if you repainted it, changed the wheel size, whatever.What they can do is to refuse service with the new owner on the basis that the car was modified.
>>731164985What do you think a mod is anon? On a technical level.
>>731164971money seems like a large motivator
>>731160342>hey man we don't mind the mod existing, we just don't like that you're profiting off our assets, but you can keep it up for free>FUCK YOU I'M GONNA DELETE IT AND RUIN IT FOR EVERYONE HOW DARE YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU
>731164985you're not even trying anymorehave fun arguing with the other guy that replied to you
>>731164979>Why not cut a deal with this guy and sell his mod themselves?Because then you have to provide support for it and it's probably a half broken piece of shit.
>>731164948Wut?bool IsAllowed() { char path[MAX_PATH]; GetModuleFileNameA(NULL, path, MAX_PATH); std::string exe(path); exe = exe.substr(exe.find_last_of("\\/") + 1); if (exe == "cyberpunk.exe" || exe == "Cyberpunk.exe") { return false; } return true;}
>UM YEP SEE THATS THE BIG ONE U CANT DO MODS THAT CHANGE THE GAME FILES BIG NOPE>*runs 30 texture packs*>*paid $5 for a virtamate futa model*
>>731163712tos isn't being broken since his vr mod is more like cheat engine where it can work on multiple games and not specifically for cheese pizza 2077if it was just for the one game it would be a violation
>paid mods becoming commonplaceTell me people paywall fanfiction as well. I need a good push.
>>731165050Why didnt he let it go to court? According to the sister fucker contract guy and a lot of anons in this thread, he should win pretty easily
>>731165081>for it and it's probably a half broken piece of shitBy the coments on this thread, the mod sucks greatly.
>>731164961The application is for your computer, anon, not the game itself.
>>731162913Yea it's why I haven't subbed to him to get the schoolgirl Sherry, I'd love to play that HotD headass mod but will I even get to DL it? Will his $$$ just go to mods that I don't even care about it? It's such garbage.
>>731165020It's a tool that modifies. Not a modification. You wouldn't be allowed to publish modified assets, but you're very much allowed to publish tools that modify assets, whether they do it automatically in your computer or whether they require more manual approaches.So scripts that modify the runtime game engine is not a modification until it runs, meaning you're never actually ripping / uploading protected assets, so you're in the clear.
>>731165128going to court costs more money than hes making on his patreon
>>731165117were you born yesterday? have you never heard of a commission?
>>731165109That's... Not how that works at all. An all purpose tool that modifies the game is still modifying a game.
>>731165117there's websites out there that machine translate japanese webnovels and hide the chapters behind paywallsif there's a sucker willing to pay for it, someone will try to do it
>>731165109Are you saying it just works without looking at or modifying any of the games code? That it works on any game you open with it running? also cheat engine is free right?
>>731165128>listening to retards on the internet for legal advicelmao
>>731165128court is for wasting other peoples money waiting on a verdict, not actually winning the case
>>731165081>>731165137Then it doesn't matter if it's free
>>731165140In other words a modification has to be made through an external application
based CDPR
>>731160420>>731160528-100 izzat.
>>731163463>ferrari do not allow any kind of moddingFerrari protects their trade mark badge and logo but you can do whatever you want to your car. Ferrari might void the warranty or refuse to sell you another one by that's about it. So for example deadmau5's legal issue was the Purrari logo in Ferrari's font. As for the game mod. The red line has always been drawn at selling. Doesn't mater the content. Music, books, characters, movies etc even just a celb's likeness. You can do stuff in a grey area but when you sell the lawyers show up.The mod'r should have just done a donation page
>>731165109IF that were true, that modder would say fuck you to CDPR (and take too, it seems that they had some beef with him too) and keep that mod unchanged? If the mod was modified to remove that CP2077 funcionality, it means they had to add it on the first place, so at least it used the game in some degree.
I hope other companies follow suit
>>731160342>>731160629>pay a monthly subscription for shelter>pay a monthly subscription for water>pay a monthly subscription for electricity>pay a monthly subscription for internet access>pay a monthly subscription for phone>pay a monthly subscription for car>pay a monthly subscription for insurances>pay a monthly subscription for shows and movies>pay a monthly subscription for this>pay a monthly subscription for that>pay a monthly subscription for fucking video game modsfuck this gay earth seriously
>>731160663>buy rocks from someone>turn rocks into jewelry>cant sell it because the rocks originally were owned by someone else
>>731165109your honor i'm not selling cheats for overwatch, i'm selling cheats for cs2, valorant AND overwatch
Good! Fuck Patreon users.
>>731165286>and take tooTake twoI need to go to sleep already...
>>731165286legally Ferrari has to protect their trademark image or they lose it. cdpr is not legally obligated to put a bunch of gay shit that makes you not own the game in their tos
>>731165339Copyright laws are not ownership laws.Try again, retard.
>>731165208>An all purpose tool that modifies the game is still modifying a gamei never said it wasn't modifying the game. cdpr allows modded content in the first place. what those retards were going on about is similar to the openmw case, where their shit is independent of mw assets but can be used in junction with mw. this vr mod can be used on several games but is not dependent on any of those game assets, as per his claim.>>731165220>That it works on any game you open with it running?it works on the games it's programmed for, or rather the engines as the modder states>>731165286the modder is clearly a spoiled twat and probably did some hacking to get his vr mod to work since he's injecting code into games that don't have vr capability naturallyregardless of the outcome his faggy attitude is gonna have more companies breathing down his neck to make sure the mod is legit and not violating terms
>>731165339Try a food analogy, it might line up better with the real situation
>>731165339Nigger, rocks are physics objects.The ownership of it passed to you when you bought it.
>>731165310utilities make sense because new things are constantly being generated and used and you only pay for what you use. the rates, however…
>>731165490>cdpr allows modded content in the first placethat the modder doesnt profit off of, pretty simple stuff
Why do modders think they can get away with leeching off of someone else's product?I'd never buy cyberpunk but if you want money that bad AND you have the skill, why not just MAKE a game? If I took a game, slightly modded it and sold it again I'd be a fucking idiot.
>>731165339It's the LAW, goy.
>all mods should be free no matter what I aint paying shit!>ok, no one makes the vr mod ever because that's more work than its worth doing for free>wtf why is there no mod????
>>731165117I've stumbled on several authors on AO3 that gatekeep their most recent works (up to as many as 10) to patreon paypigs so if you're not paying you're locked out of the last year of their writingAlmost every CYOA (or interactive fiction) has a patreon too that makes them take forever to finish their shit, I'm not sure if that counts as paywalling since (most) don't lock their most recent content behind it. The kicker is several of them are getting commissioned on top of their patreon earnings, mostly by Paradox
>>731165458CDPR has the chance (More like obligation, since it´s a publicly traded company)to protect it´s IP. If they are that "generous", that let you do your mods meanwhile you dont profit from them directly (they already stated that they wouldn´t give a shit if the mod weren´t behind a paywall.)
Why are modders such fucking retards? Literally all he had to do was NOT CHARGE for the fucking mod and set up some Patreon or something.
>>731164979Because they don't want to be connected to paid (even subscription-based) mods.They saw what cancer GTA5 online and Minecraft p2w servers are, saw the backlash Bethesda faced after encouraging paid mods and want to take a stance against it, if only for PR reasons.
>>731160420>All the tendies seething at thisKEKAROOOOO
>>731165202There's a difference between paying somebody for a service (writing you a thing) and someone writing for him/herself and charging you for it
>>731160480trvke
>>731165410so how many mods have you made, anon?I'm sure you contribute a lot, and for free too
Replace MOD with EMULATOR and people's opinions in this thread would 180. How many people here played TOTK without a Switch? Or BOTW without a Wii U? The mod can't run without CDPR, and neither can emulators run without Nintendo proprietary software+hardware>but its my ROM and ripped firmware+keys!Oh like its users own copy of Cyberpunk that years later CDPR want to police?
>>731165310oi vey he's noticing!!!
>>731161328Doesn't kaldien do porting work now for Japanese companies?
>>731165646I have never modded a game and thought, Hey I wish there was a mod that did this specific thing that I would pay 20 bucks a month for. Have you?
>>731165697This is how you know this modder definitely paid these shills. Which subreddit did you fags come from?
>>731165743Apples and oranges, big dog, apples and oranges.
>>731165743All the emulators I use are free, buckaroo.
>>731165743Paid emulators are not a thing since the BLEEM era and that n64 emulator, that everyone shat on and was one of the first cracked shit I ever had.
>>731165646woah cause and effect is a pretty big concept for /v/ to understand
>>731164609you don't have critical thinking skills, actually kinda sad
OY VEY THE EVIL POLISH NAZIS ARE HARASSING THE POOR JEWISH PATREON MODDER
>>731165743Nigtendo should've ported it to pc, not my problem.
>>731165743Which emulator are you currently paying a subscription fee for?
>>731165697Epic argument.
>>731160342Dumb modnigger, know your place. Now get back to the mines and code me up some fun.
>>731161739He absolutely would win in courtIf you create a phone case for example that adds another camera to the phone via the USB-C port, as long as you don't have copyrighted parts in the interface, you're legally clear The derivative work clause doesn't apply as long as he doesn't sell the included original copyrighted content like shipping his mod preapplied with the actual copyrighted executable. That's a no no. Sold separate? He's clear. Same reason why phone cases omit the Apple logo and instead have window to see throughIf someone's really good at modding and devotes their time to it, they should get paid for it
>>731160420>a company standing up for the right thing is bad because it's a big companyYour moral compass is skewed.>>731160725>it's cool he is trying to ruin a good thing because he made money
>>731165846Show me a fully paid modlist that matches any free skyrim mod list, and a cost comparison for reference
>>731165847Cool, retard. But you didnt adress the point of that discussion.
>>731165789I dont think anyone hasyou don't seem to understand how patreon works
>>731165842>>731165836Focusing too hard on the paid aspect and not the want to police things they have no ground to stand on, only using long court proceedings to drain people who attempt to fight. Based on the original emulator ruling, Nintendo shouldn't have been able to take down multiple emulators but no one wants to spend money in court.
>>731165662because he wouldn’t have bothered to make it if it did not provide him some type of worthwhile gain. why didn’t cdpr just release the game for free? actually why did they charge $70 for it on launch?
>>731163491>Do Volunteer Work at a soup kitchen>Charge for the soup you serve and ask for pay on topIs this you?
The irony of a corpo pushing their weight around on a modder for a dystopian corpo ruling hellscape game will never not be funny.
>>731165743gottteeeem
>>731165646a mod made without love shouldn't be made
Paid mods are morally wrong.
>>731165681sorry you paid for commissions of IP-protected characters. seems a bit hypocritical though
>>731165926>He absolutely would win in court>[No commercial use] Our Games and/or Services are made for you to enjoy. Don’t use them commercially (e.g. to make money) unless we expressly allow that (see our Fan Content Guidelines).>[No technical misuse] Don’t modify, merge, distribute, translate, reverse engineer, or attempt to obtain or use source code of, decompile, or disassemble our Games and/or Services, unless we expressly allow that in this Agreement or it is allowed by the applicable law.
>>731165963Are you fucking retarded nigger or a shill? The game wasn't his. He was working on CDPR assets and code.
>>731165675>CDPR>Nintendo
>>731164172>have to pay a monthly fee for the chance to get killed by tesla's self driving
>>731165743Nobody will counter this without the>but moneyz...Argument. When it's completely irrelevant. Either something is YOUR creation, or it's not. They're just revealing their bias. They hate paid mods, so we should all lose our rights.
>>731165939I’m sorry, who are you? Exactly.
>>731160528>use someone's work to latch onto them>sell stuff with their IP Gee I wonder. It goes both ways.To be fair, technically, he should be allowed to sell his mods even if its for their game. As long as he makes sure to advertise them as not related to CDPR or the game and that its a 3rd party that created it.>>731160567>neighbor buys car>asks me if I could put window tint on his windows>sure.jpg>mercedes benz breakd down my door and arrests me for illegaly modifying their car
>>731165963>why didn’t cdpr just release the game for freethey did
>>731165743No it wouldn’t nigger, because the problem isn’t what he created it’s that he’s charging for it like a fucking shitstain. The devs even said it was fine just don’t charge for it and the faggot just deleted it for everyone.In a just world he’d be raped to death by a pack of feral niggers.
>>731166031>retard nigger cant even read the threadhe made a program to inject into the game in order to enable proper vr, not using or distributing any of their code or assets
>>731160629I hate nexus mods
>>731166031so you’re saying every game made in unity and unreal should be free?
>>731165940you don't know how development works and you can't even try to figure it out in your head lolpretty sad>broken english>mispelled wordsyou're underage
>>731166024Agreements are not laws
>>731166072It’s a mod, you have no rights. Don’t like it? DON’T BOTHER MODDING. It’s that shrimple.
>>731166105Why doesnt he just charge for it without connecting it to cp77 in any way?
>>731166024Do you think companies can say words and it suddenly becomes law, bootlicker?
>>731166103What does money have to do with his creation? You morons keep arguing money, without resolving the issue that he's selling HIS OWN CREATED WORKS.
>>731166170are you actually retarded?he just enabled the program to work for cyberpunk, the program works for multiple games
>>731160342mods are okay but once you start charging for them you are basically implying people owe you money and that's illegal.
>>731166072>They hate paid mods, so we should all lose our rights.Yes. It's as simple as that. Make mods and any game related software tools for free or fuck off.
>>731166149Again, any argument about the discussion you were complaining about?BTW, last (You)
>>731166198Do they work without a game to piggyback on? He should have no problem telling cdpr to fuck off then
>>731166072CDPR has no problem with mods though, they don't like people making big money off of them without a cut.
>>731166150The best part is they're not even using the ToS as the assault mechanism. They're using DMCA. So all the corporate boot lickers throwing the ToS around as some sort of gotcha didn't even realize it's not even relevant to the discussion.
>>731160629>Oh? Do you need to redownload something? Guess you'll just have to message me and hope that I'm not too busy to deny your request!People pay big bucks for this kind of treatment?
>retarded modder is being a retarded tranny like all obnoxious self-obsessed modders out there>thinks he deserves to gateway work on someone's elses assets>shocked pickachu face when CDPR assrapes him and takes the mod downLiterally the same as the emulator retards who got taken down by Nintendo because they were paywalling ROMs for games on their tranny discord. Those retards never learn.If they set up a Patreon/anything to get support CDPR/Nintendo couldn't do anything but modder trannies (and pajeets ITT) UNIRONICALLY believe they deserve to paywall that shit lmao.
>>731161787>This>>731162312The same reason why Cheats are able to be DMCA'd and sued for, because despite it not being something that takes from the directly IP, or their assets, its still code that needs to be created and modified to work with the game, and inject/hooked into the game to be used. Depending on how CDPRojectRed has their Terms of Service they reserve the rights to swap any modifications down however they see fit, though I doubt they ever would except I suppose in this case where some dude is making 20grand a month and is lying on how his program works with games.
>whore out your sister>some guy comes along and sits outside your home selling rape drugs to the guys coming to fuck your sister
>>731166017Not paying creators is morally wrong
>>731166324
>>731166157It's not a mod then. It's a third-party VR app. Just like VORPx, or a third party game chat app, or a 3rd party app to modify assets (like photoshop or 3DS max). You're arguing semantics. He wrote his own code and sells it. You can't win this argument, bootlicker.
Game companies build games in subscription-based software engines. By /v/s logic all of these games should be free and Unity/Unreal should be able to sue developers if they add a single line to the ToS. And v will defend this because it’s a paid mod
>>731166282>Literally the same as the emulator retards who got taken down by Nintendo because they were paywalling ROMsPaywalling your own created ROMs is legal just as paywalling your own created mods
>>731165926>>731166024Its a bit of a grey area desu. You technically are allowed (under EU laws) to modify your software, with some limitation, and some of those limitations are "commercial use". However, this could just as well be challenged in court. As there is nothing that prevents any other hardware you produce to be modified and have kits of any sort sold for that hardware. Think off vacuum cleaners with offbrand bags, cars being modified with after market parts, kitchen/bath hardware and aftermarket upgrades. Honestly, its really just software that had a strong enough lobby to wrestle ownership from consumers.
>>731166324Them he should create something on his own and now stand on the backs of giants.
>>731166150The agreement is:I wont sue you for using MY IP, if you dont profit from it. The law is what voids you from modifying software, their TOS just says how they will enforce the law.They were kind enough to warn him to either stop distributing said mod, or make it free.
I am okay with no mods ever being made except passion projects the creator puts out for free
>>731166263Or directly they believe mods should be free?
>>731165584>that the modder doesnt profit off of, pretty simple stuffnow you're just making shit up, he has his vr mod behind a paywall which means he is directly profiting off of it, this is what cdpr is all in a fuss about. but since his mod is designed to work with other games, their dmca will likely fail to follow through and he'll put the mod back up when they rescind the order.>>731165646>no one makes the vr mod ever because that's more work than its worth doing for freethis is why donations became a thing, and it was shitty but acceptable since it was optional. this nigger is demanding payment for his work, there's a massive ethical difference here.also, fuck you. go look at mount and blade mods. people make entire overhauls that effectively create new games within that shit, and none of them charge for it.
>>731166448In a perfect world this would be the case. I would also accept a "tip jar" if you wanted to throw them a few bucks
>FUCK CORPOS FUCK JEWS IMAGINE DEFENDING CORPOS>whats that? someone is mildly inconveniencing a multi billion dollar company by profiting scraps off of their ip??>AAAAAIEEEE DIE DIE DIE SUE THEM TO DEATH CORPO GET THEMwhy are bootlickers like this
>>731166282>because they were paywalling ROMs for games on their tranny discordWhat were these roms? Homebrew games or modded games? If its the later, Jewtendo was on the right for suing them
>>731166382they are NOT gonna like this one…
>>731166417thats freakin hard tho
CDPR is right on this one.
>>731166370>, or a 3rd party app to modify assetsSee this? This is the problem.
>>731166570Basically they were paywalling ROMs and builds of their emulators for the newest releases (TotK etc.).
>FUCK CORPOS FUCK JEWS IMAGINE DEFENDING CORPOS>whats that? someone is mildly inconveniencing me by paywalling their mods??>AAAAAIEEEE DIE DIE DIE SUE THEM TO DEATH CORPO GET THEM
>>731166512>but since his mod is designed to work with other games, their dmca will likely fail to follow through and he'll put the mod back up when they rescind the order.delusional
>have the mod files>change a line of text on the readme or such to produce a different checksum >re-upload the mod for free
>>731166572>He needs to quote himself because no one is taking the bait
what is it with the massive amount of nigger commie rats ittif someone took your piece of shit of a furry drawing, added extra shading and charged ten buckos for it you will be seething and shitting yourself
>>731166673surely the creator of the VR mod would be okay with this, right?
>>731166382>in this hypothetical scenario I made up you're all hypocrites!well how unfortunate for you that we don't live in your magical fantasy world where you won the argument
>>731166653NTA but this isnt the own that you think it is bro.
>>731166679see? I can reply to myself too
>>731165951>focusing too hard on the only part that matters
>>731165282ferarri actually makes you sign a contract stating that you won't mod the cars before you buybut at least there you know what you're getting into
>>731163826Why didn't the guy take the free offer? It;s his responsibility to budget his finances.
>>731166727>opposing a state enforced monopoly on ideas (aka copyright) is GOMMUNISMthey are not sending their best
>>731166742Yes, it is. All paywallers need to burn at the stake.
>>731166651>Paywalling emulator buildsLame but not illegal>Paywalling games you didn´t createIt was correct to fuck them then.
>>731166539They think the mega corp is on their side right now because they said>make your mods freeWhich is good for them right now. The implication, however, is that you have to reconsider your software being a mod of someone else's IP despite not containing anything of that companies. If this was a court case that set a precedent, it could potentially mean companies could one day say you can't even make things like script extenders or third-party engines like OpenMW (for free) because the company doesn't want you to. It's not about the money. It's about ownership. These same faggots are all for right to repair and being able to go to whatever mechanic they want, but some nerd in his basement making his own creation they'll crucify because he didn't make it for free.
>>731160342Why do companies want modders to work for free? If they allowed modders to charge money, games could receive much better mods, since modders could work on them full time. I understand that companies own the game, but I don’t see any negatives to paid mods, other than companies being jealous that someone else is making money from their product. That money never belonged to them anyway.
>>731166734I think if you upload just a txt file telling you what line of code to change he would be okay with your upload being behind a paywall. After all you are selling a completely standalone piece of text, not something that needs his software to work
>>731166783he made the game better he should be getting paid for it
I genuinely don't care if someone wants to paywall their mods.Hell, I encourage it, scam the fucking retard goycattle, make it your job.More mods for me, and I don't pay a cent because I'll just pirate them. The only people who genuinely take it as a personal offense are actual fucking retards who don't know how to pirate anything in the first place.
>>731166669i'm going off of what the modder has stated, posted all the way back in >>731161229
>>731166539I MIGHT BE PRO-PIRACY, BUT THIS MODDER *DESERVES* TO CHARGE A MONTHLY FEE FOR CONTROLLED LIMITED-TIME ACCESS TO THEIR MODS!
>>731166826>despite not containing anything of that companieskek
>>731166783Greed
>ERMMM IS HE LE....CHARGING FOR A MOD???????? REEEEEEEEDo /v/iggers rly?
>>731166819>t I play gacha and watch anime on a subscription-based streaming platform
>>731166914Proof?
>>731166914>watch anime on a subscription-based streaming platformno one has ever done this
>>731166727If I painted a picture, sold it to a guy, he drew a mustache on it and resold it, I would give zero fucks. BUT, your analogy is implying the modder is selling the game. So a better analogy would be I painted a picture, sold it, and two people bought it. One guy created a paintbrush to use with my painting and sold it to the other guy. Stop being a disingenuous faggot.
>>731166826>but some nerd in his basement making his own creation they'll crucify because he didn't make it for free.yes, fuck that guy
I think the real takeaway here is that both moral and legal precedent rarely work as arguments because no two situations are identical and examples can be found for either side. That’s not even mentioning differences in perception.
>>731166842>Why do companies want modders to work for freeWhy modding is a "work"?It allways has been a hobby. Also, who takes the responsability if a mod fucks something in the game, the original creators? because the modder will tell you fuck off if you ask xim for accountabilty.
>>731165874It's always the tards angry at people not doing everything for free that have never contributed anythingyou just want free shit because you're lazy and cheap
>>731166880>I'll just pirate thempaid mods getting pirated isn't as common as you think, most people actually like the idea of it being somewhat more exclusive and won't just upload it anywhere, which means you need a friend who's a sucker that paid for the content.
So if I take his mod, change it and then charge for it that's OK. Right?
>>731166886Where's your argument, faggot? "kek" isn't an argument.
>>731166914projection
>>731166880Anon, you are aware that to pirate that mod someone would have to pay for it in the first place, right? It's still a net gain for the modders.
>>731166880>local retard thinks there isn't a work around for kemono.I used to be young and stupid like you.
>>731166972>sidesteps your argument, not worried about a resolution, and mutters something about a license
>>731166880>I don't pay a cent because I'll just pirate them.Good luck with that when they start adding DRM >>731160629
>>731167007you're actually one of the fucking retards im talking about if you genuinely believe this
>>731166842>Why do companies want modders to work for freeWho is forcing this guy to make a mod?
>>731160814/thread
>>731167008In that case, even the original mod creator would tell you that you cant!!
>>731166415It's a gray area because mostly everyone has backed down. You can either keep your money you have made up to that point and comply. Or, waste a good amount of money on lawyers pushing to set a precedent. Which is what Bleem! did and they won but sadly the case ate up their savings
>>731166997why is making games a work? It’s always been a hobby
>>731160814Watching isn't fucking.
>>731166802not even gonna engage with your kind since i know having your poor and stupid mindset is miserable for you and that alone brings me joykill yourself faster tho, less pollution for us
>>731166959I wish, the amount of retards that pay for Crunchyroll or whatever the fuck is it these days is the single biggest reason for the downfall of every anime community in the west>>731167007>brand exclusivity retardation for a modActual goycattle
>>731167036Ironic, thinking kemono is the only thing that exists.>>731167045its incredible easy to get around user made drm, its all fluff to scare the normalfag retards and that's it
>>731167072he really blew them the fuck out with this one
>>731167008Another retard who is misinterpreting the entire scenario. The modder does not release anything regarding the game. If you created an app FOR his VR mod, and sold it, yes, it would be perfectly fine. Whether he likes it or not would be irrelevant. But I don't think he'd give a shit since you'd still have to buy his APP, just like you still have to buy the game. Something you retards keep excluding from your lame analogies.
>>731167029Why the FUCK do I care about whats a gain or not for modders???
>731167092
>>731167147Not really, he just showed everyone that he doesn't understand what copyright actually does.
>>731166842>If they allowed modders to charge money, games could receive much better modsWrong wrong wrong. Paid mods are designed to dripfeed you updates, because once it's feature complete you have no reason to subscribe anymore.
>it supports a lot of games>therefore, your game is not modified in any waykek
>>731167072>I don't believe you have the right to DMCA my modWhy didn't he just sue them then?
>>731167147He is getting ratio'd
>>731167043I'm anticipating it
>>731166842>If they allowed modders to charge money, games could receive much better modslmfao this fucking clown really thinks more money = more quality
>>731167151No, its ok. It's legal.
>>731167172And this, everyone, is why the world gets progressively worse over time.
>>731167194I can fly to Europe and fart so hard I shit down my leg in, that doesn’t mean I didn’t make Europe a better place for it
>>731167127Retard, bro, no pirate site would work if the modder decided that "you need to dm me to get the mod" or added anti-pirate DRMs. You don't live in this "I can pirate anything" world like you think.
>>731167127>I'm l3 h4x0rrzz N1gg3RYeah shut the fuck up retard
>>731167235>some guy making money off retards somehow makes the entire world worseholy fucking delusional
Call me old but aren't mod supposed to be passion projects?I remember people making entirely new games with very elaborate modifications for completely free decades ago, they did it for the love of it.What changed for many people now asking for money, for something which was done for free when it was probably more complicated to do?If they want money, wouldn't it make more sense for them to make their own games? I do not understand.
>>731167238You should wear diapers is what I think
Mods used to be cool and free. No reason to charge unless you're greedy. I cannot support this.
>>731167029Not necessary?If i remember correctly (it has been ages since i read about this) it goes like this>You sign to the patreon.>Days later, or at the end of the month, you have to paid the patronage amount>Before that happens, and when you already got whatever you wanted from that patreon, you cancel, or make it so the bank refuses to pay that.
>>731160528It's like somebody intruding into your house, modify shit and getting money from it without giving you anything, despise being your house.
>>731167276Yes anon, being an advocate for paid mods is certainly making things better
>>731167289diapers are for accidents and sexual roleplay, not for instances of asserting dominance
Would you pay for the software (mod) if it had nothing to do with cp77?
>>731167176No, you guys are showing you don't understand what copyright doesBut, he's wrong in thinking the implied nonspecifity of his mod is what makes it legal
>>731167256But I can pirate anything?>no pirate site would work if the modder decided that "you need to dm me to get the mod"Yes it would, one person pays, hundreds download
>>731167285Do u know what a service is?
>>731160629What game?That way we can denounce them
>>731167256>>731167257>dumbfuck retards actually believe their own stupidityI pirate mods all the fucking time, for multiple gamesyes even the "hurr dm me for a drm code", its not hard to find anything "paywalled"actual fucking goycattle
>>731166842>games could receive much better modsWe already saw that with the elder scrolls workshop.Even comunism had a better chance of succeed that paid mods improving a game.
>>731167298Uiou can't do a charge back without a legitimate reason.
>>731167365I would pay for any mod if it came with a loli figurine
>>731166842>If they allowed modders to charge money, games could receive much better mods, since modders could work on them full time*laughs in darkcookie*
>>731167394>>731167378You can smell the Indian from these posts.
>>731167285>wouldn't it make more sense for them to make their own gamesthats hard....
>>731161229He's goddamn right
>>731167338These analogies from you retards are getting worse.>build several houses and sell them>window company comes along and installs windows that only work on your type of house>They charge current owner for it>THAT'S NOT FAIRDon't even try to weazle out of this one, fuck face.
>731167394>i'm le m0ss4d n1gg3r h4x0rzzz p1r4t3Shut up retard
>>731167365Thats not the issue here? What you do with your money is your issue.
KWAB
So, from what I gather this Luke dude is wrong.
If you're a modder and complain not getting paid for doing it, then you shouldn't have done that mod in the first place if your objective was to profit from it.Go cry somewhere else, faggot.
>>731167484Yes or no
>>731166842Nah. They can still make money through donations, this would only cause more mods to be locked behind payments and create a negative effect for these companies, since there would be fewer mods available for the non-paying public to use. They’re right.
>>731167443>gets called out for being retarded>uhh uhhhh INDIAN!just give up bro
>>731167443Sorry, meant for>>731167256and>>731167257
>>731167052>you're actually one of the fucking retards im talking about if you genuinely believe this>>731167119>Actual goycattleam i though? i don't waste my time with paywalled mods so i rarely bother to see if copies are floating around the interwebs, i'm just going based on my personal historythen again you both might just be retarded tourists trying to fit in, that's far more likely
When is his game coming out? Hopefully before this case drains all his money
>>731160629>DRM in your mod for a DRM-free gameYea, based CDPR, the only thing that makes it less based is that they didn't sue this piece of shit into the fucking dirt like they should have.
>>731167416I didn´t mean a charge back, just that, when the "pay day" comes, you refuse to pay, not that you paid and weeks later you want to back off from that payment.
>>731167469>Troon tourist so assblasted he forgot how to replyKEK
>>731167510the only reason anything good gets done is because people have the financial support to not need a real time and can donate the time and resources to it
This is why I quit modding unless it's an old game. The whole community has become so brown.
Since were on the topic, what is a paid mod that you simply can't play a game without? Just came into some money recently and im looking to experience a game like I never have before
>>731167526>>731167484I can do this aaaaall day.
>>731167378>Yes it would, one person pays, hundreds downloadif they were honest when they spoke of "injustice" and "fighting back against greed!" then yes, they would be willing to buy in order to screw over the ownerthe problem is piratebrowns are the actual greediest fuckers, they pirate BECAUSE they don't want to pay a dime so very rarely is one of them going to perform the altruistic act of paying to leak it
Anyone arguing for paid mods clearly has a horse in that race so should be ignored
>731167617>im h4x0rzzzBrown troon melty GEGGG
>million products in the world that are sold to be used with other products>/v/ flips their shit when it comes to modsDon't want to pay for mods? Don't. But don't act all righteous and sucking dev cock as if this guy is somehow different than something like GameShark or MadCatz was.
You're making money out of a game that you didn't create. Without the game, you have no mod
>>731167683nigga's just arguing on made up scenarios that don't reflect reality now
>>731167547Why would an Indian support free mods? What? They are the ones making paywalled shit because they want to escape their huts made of shit.>>731167540Ok, show me some mods you have, pirate. That isn't a pirate website.>inb4 doesn't do it.Pussy.
>>731167701I believe in a free market. I hate onlyfans but if average women can dupe browns out of billions of dollars, go for it
>>731167683>>731167568>It doesn't happen because it just doesn'tKeep thinking that while I enjoy my free "paid" mods>>731167709>Tranny still can't figure out how to reply
>>731167701An armored horse perhaps?
what the fuck is going on
>>731167730I don´t know if you are retarded or just pretending...
When is the court date? Hopefully this is as fun to follow as Billy v Karl
>>731160342Just ask for optional donations like a normal person.
>731167756Brown tranny melty GEGGGG
>>731166249:thumbs_up:
>>731167734>daddy government, please protect me from people making money off of billionairesIf CDPR don't want to appease the VR market, someone else will. It's a market, deal with it.
>>731167790We are training the AI, ignore and move on.
>>731167730+1
>>731167790The mods need to range ban India and Russia.
>>731160342CDPR W!
>>731167810cdpr don’t have a case
>>731167790troons who think modding is an essential service job getting their discords to flood the thread
>>731167745>ok just show me modswhy the fuck would I have any desire to spoonfeed you on how to obtain mods?? actual third world retard if you need to ask this
>>731167804Good counterargument. I've reconsidered my entire viewpoint.
>>731167810Never, he removed the mod part that was about CP2077
>>731160342What a faggot.
>>731160814Death to streamers aka glorified shills? What a dream come true.
>>731167748no anon you don't understand, I personally dislike something so it should be illegal
>/v/ loves anti-ownership regulations
>>731167790Brown retard ragebait thread
>>731167879But he took the mod down? What happened there?
>>731167901What, you expected a (You) without anything in return?
>>731160629fuck is this?
>>731167960it still costs money to get a case thrown out
>>731167748I believe in a free market. I hate mercenaries, but if a company like cdpr can hire mercenaries to assassinate people who make paid mods, go for it.
>>731167127Very few Elite mods have been leaked. There's also that H game Fallen Doll with the dev's DRM that hasn't been cracked in 4 years.
>>731167745There you go
>>731167980Don´t know, but for 100$/month it better have a hooker sent to you each month....
>ctrl+f retard>80 results
>>731168007>murder is ok when it's someone I don't like for petty reasonsastounding, really showing the emotional intellf the average /v/edditor
>>731167029>What is Chargeback?Though honestly seeing the absolute rage of some Patreoncucks when their shit gets pirated is fucking hilarious.
>731167617>brown troon seething KEKKK
>731168034>jeet retard gets BTFO immediately 1 post after his
>>731167996That faggot makes 20k each month for his mods, surely it would profit on the long run if there was no case against him...
>>731167391It's DrSlumpX mods.
>>731167256>"You need to DM me to get the Mod">DM Him and get the Mod>Uploads it for freeWhat did that stop?
>>731161229So this isn't even a mod then?
>>731168098>Illiterate faggot on /v/ doesn’t understand subtextWell, it’s not like I expected better from you.
>>731168214so have you ever personally done this?
>>731168214>NOO SAAR DO NOT REDEEM THE PIRATE YOU HAVE TO PAY SAAR
>>731168241It is, but now it doesn´t work on CP
>>731167980Paywalled content after a faggot modder becomes sufficiently paranoid about leaks and piracy eating into his bottom line.
>>731163818>Why would anyone spend so much timeSame reason they've been doing it since before your dad regretted not pulling out. For the love of the game.
>>731168263No i am too cheap for Paetron.
>>731168242>I was only pretending to be retardedWell, it’s not like I expected better from you.
>>731168331well there's the problem
>>731160342dang, must suck being that guyglad i'm not him :)
>>731161602Irrelevant in this case, you mouthbreatherIf Luke Ross didn't modify any of the assets of Cyberpunk then CDPR have no leg to stand on since it's not even technially a mod and what he is selling is specifically his own work
>>731168338>doubles down on illiteracyNow you’re starting surpass my expectations.
>>731168151that’s probably what it costs per hour to fight a medium sized company in court. it cost companies less to settle for tens of millions in accident and wrongdoing cases
>>731167416I mean, accidentally buying an Illegal service might count, which this would constitute as.
>>731167790agree with this anonwtf?
>>731168241it is, he's just being an "um ackshually" fag about it>>731168426is injecting into a game and modifying the code not "modifying the assets"i thought the code itself was an asset as well
>>731168426>You have no right to DMCA me, it's not a mod, it's software that doesn't need your game to work>but I won't sue you for this, I'll just fold like a cuck when asked because I know you're right and I'm retardedKEK
>>731161861If he didn't modify any asset of the game then it is not even a mod
>>731168469we HATE paid mods here
>>731168426I will not pay for mods.Cry about it tranny.
>>731161646>Has no argument>types lmaocringe
>>731168495>you didn't fight the multibillion dollar company in court and waste all your money stupidly, guess you were in the wrong >:)LMAO
>>731161662If he didn't modify any of the Cyberpunk 2077 assets then it is no a mod you mouthbreatherYou don't know how copyright law, you're just spouting nonsense
>>731168469>twitter screencap>gacha ad>nintendo shitposting>LOL threadkind of grim
>>731168659Yes, that's how it works. But he knows he's in the wrong and so do all the retards defending him ITT, the ones that aren't just shitposting
I'm entitled to other people's hard work for free because I live in a mud hutYay for corporations suing these guys unfairly, I love being a crab in a bucket!
>>731167790>>731168469100% some trooncord raid
>>731168763you are unbelievably stupid
>>731160678my man
>>731168796its their ip. its the law. now seethe some more :)
>>731168763Wow, an actual retard
>>731164080>telling you how you can display graphicsThey didn't do that though. They told him stop leeching on their ip.
>>731168907holy turdie
>dev literally calls them mods>THEY AREN'T MODS THOUGHYou faggots are hilarious
>>731168865>>731168938Concessions accepted, sorry you're legally in the wrong
>>731168486From what I read it sounds like it works like a wrapper, meaning that essentially it doesn't mess with the game's code itself>it is, he's just being an "um ackshually" fag about itIf it's a wrapper then it's not a mod because it's not modifying anything from the gameIt's like reshade
>>731168796>>731168907Relying on legalistic arguments here is retarded, as demonstrated by the above two posts.
