>"gameplay is king">look inside>"I have ADHD"When are we going to acknowledge the fact the whole "gameplay is king" movement is just ADHD in disguiseEvery time you press a "gameplay is king" fag for an explanation it turns out >there's tons of things they value over gameplayand>their definition of gameplay is ridiculously limited and only includes dynamic twitchy mechanics and nothing methodical or deliberate
>>731489072Nigga
Most atrocious use of memearrows I've seen in years and of course it's from OP the fruitiest faggot of all time
I have ADHD, but fun is king. Whatever you find fun in a game is what matters. For some that's autistic spreadsheets, for others that's twitch shooters.I like lots of genres, Grand Strategy, RPG/JRPG's, FPS, Action-Adventure.
>>731489182>memearrowsBack to TikTok
>>731489072>>their definition of gameplay is ridiculously limited and only includes dynamic twitchy mechanics and nothing methodical or deliberatethis one is annoying as a "gameplay is king" fag that enjoys mechanics heavy turn based games as well the traditionally gameplay focused arcade style games
>>731489182It's a sentence that could've been normal text but given the ADHD epidemic you need to abuse greentext and twitter format images if you want your thread to be opened (and it works)
>>731489289You just hate high skill ceilings
>>731489072boring uncslop
>>731489358how do you figure? some of my favorite gameplay is in expressive 3d platformers with enormous skill ceilings like mario 64 and the tony hawk games
>>731489281Sorry to break it to you kiddo, but your ilk didn't invent the term
>>731489072But platformers are peak gameplay tho what is your pic is trying to say?
>>731489427Is this bait?
>>731489527are you unable to communicate? did a gameplay is king guy rape your mom?
>>731489072nice strawman, faggot
>>731489072cool strawmanning, kike nigger, now fuck off
Gameplay is king.
>>731489232Yui my wife.
>>731489072Depends on the gameplay.Some times, its all I need.
>gameplay? i cant use that to push my social war agenda!>no, i must focus on nudity, catsuits and whether or not brown people are in the game
>>731490074you never played any of these games
>>731489072true. That's why i mostly play jrpg and visual novel now
>>731489072>nooooo you can't enjoy game by actually playing it>you have to get your opinion from your favorite streamer/youtuber/social media/this shit holeEvery game /v/ has ever convinced me to buy was shit. Every game I saw a streamer/youtuber playing and thought "that looks fun" is shit. Gameplay is king. You're a fag. Enjoy your niggers, trannies and dog blowjobs. I'm gonna go hunt monsters
>>731489072I think it's less ADHD and honestly more undiagnosed/embarrassed autism.The people that say 'gameplay is king' or whatever usually ONLY play ONE specific genre or even ONE single game.They get physically uncomfortable playing anything beyond their preference, and so they disguise that fact with "I do not le like it xD"Which I guess is fine, games are just forms of entertainment, but it's the same energy as "oh I ONLY eat tendies and plain cheeseburgers, no vegetables or anything remotely ethnic for me please!!"Again, whatever if that's how you want to live life, but having an elitist attitude about being a literal child with the utter inability to branch out of your comfort zone is still pretty laughable
gameplay is king then people here shit on moba games and competitive fps, which are the most gameplay focused shit one could ever find
>>731490624>Which I guess is fineIt would be but unfortunately those same people have a need to voice their worthless opinions about games they don't even play
>>731490624>more strawmanning
>>731489072Gameplay is king because it's what makes video games unique and video games are a DOGSHIT medium for storytelling
>>731490992that is quite literally not a strawmanget angrier next time and maybe your brain will process legitimate criticism of annoying personality traits like what this thread is about
>>731489072Just wanted to pop in to say you're a faggot, OP
>>731489072Your indie platformer is probably shit. Braid wasn't good.>>731491137Sorry that you just can't cut it with the new medium old man. I'm sure the talkies will never take off.
>>731489072Every aspect of a game is in service to the gameplay.
>>731491406Other way around, the story in a book or a movie isn't there to serve the prose or cinematography
>>731491476Yes it is
>>731491686Nope, look up the definition of a medium
>>731489072I don't understand what this picture is trying to fucking portray. The best non-Mario 2D and 3D platformers are all games where gameplay is king.
Framing of the discussion is necessary. Contextless absolute statements that rank order games with simplistic criteria have no value to anyone.Ori games have good platforming but 90% of the games budget went to art. No one would care about the gameplay without the entire rest of the game.
>>731489072Why can't you speak/write like a normal person? Genuine question.
>>731491794most people wouldn't care. gameplay is king people will
>*exposes /v/ as graphicswhores who don't care about gameplay*
>>731491875When I do ADHD anons don't open my threads and they die without replies
>>731489072Nothing wrong with gameplay is king but it is a flawed argument.Games come in different shapes and even the ones with bare minimum gameplay can be excellent.
>>731491169He makes a baseless claim, then fights a non-existent person in his head.>The people that say 'gameplay is king' or whatever usually ONLY play ONE specific genre or even ONE single game.There is already evidence to the contrary in this thread, and none supporting it.It's easier to argue against playing one game your entire life than valuing gameplay above all else. And so this is the argument anon chose to have. This was his strawman.
>>731489072>That imageWhat are the best 2D and 3D platformers in your opinion, OP? I want to hear from OP specifically.
Is ADHD even real? I got put on adderall and it helped but I stopped taking it when I realized telling my brain to shut up when nothing important was happening was just as effective
>>731492521some people are incredibly useless without adhd meds
>>731492267So you rather act like an idiot, make yourself look stupid, just because you are unable to communicate your ideas properly. Then blame others.What's even the point, you are barely a human right now.
>>731489072Gameplay is king and many platformers mog Mario. The megeman series for example.
>>731489072Gameplay mattersBut people who say that it's the only thing that matters are fucking retardedEspecially the "Graphics don't matter" crowdGraphics do matter, as much as the music; if the music is dogshit, you're not gonna have a good time (or mute the game and listen to something else, which isn't the point of having music in your game)Graphics don't matter as long as they look good; whatever the fuck modern Pokémon games are, isn't an artstyle; it's dogshit. It's where graphics looking bad matter, but it's also where people don't want to admit it
>>731490372ok
>>731489072Non-ADHD people literally do not have souls. They are like flies hovering around a piece of shit
>>731492552You misread my post, when I express myself properly ADHD anons don't open my threads Everything needs to be formatted like a TikTok video now or it's simply not getting engaged with (due to the ADHD epidemic)
>>731489182>memearows
>>731489413That would be every single Pokeshit game.
>>731492643Anon.You are part of the problem, but think you are the victim. I recommend thinking this through from 3rd perspective.
>>731492552To be fair, ADHD zoomers are barely people. You need your thread to be inflammatory in order to get their attention, because the internet is srs bsns to zoomers and normalfags.
It's definitely true that "gameplay is king" is code for "AIIIEEE where's my dexterity check??"
>>731492751I'm not, I made proper threads that got proper engagement on /v/ for a decade+, that fucking plummeted over the last 4-5 years as iPad kids took over the board, I must've made hundreds of effort threads that were suddenly getting zero tractionI can't spike every anon's water supply with Adderall to bring things back to the way they were, but I can format my threads in a way that tricks them into proper discussion, which is better than the usual shitposting threads that now rule the board
>>731491794>Ori games have good platforming but 90% of the games budget went to art. No one would care about the gameplay without the entire rest of the game.That's not true. The heart of Ori is the Bash ability.It allows for unique platforming and puzzle challenges.As far as I'm aware, this ability wasn't in any earlier games.Anecdotally, I dropped the game before getting this ability, but tried it again years later and really enjoyed my time with it.
>>731489072I fucking hate this generation for glorifying ADHD and treating it as a quirky personality trait.
>>731490164Uhh, Birthing 3 (D). You're not whoring that Touhoe enough.
>>731491137Games can (and should) tell a story solely through its mechanics but for the traditional form yeah they're terrible.
>>731492480OP is a Sonic 06 chad
>>731489072>"mfers">acknowledging made up psycho-babble>anti-gameplayrape victim postkuso threadkill yourself
>>731493012This is as stupid as saying movies shouldn't have dialogue
>>731493103the best ones don't
>>731492919Everyone pissing on the floor doesn't make you pissing on the floor any more okay. And playing victim after it is stupid.Selling own morals to advocate for worse things because you want attention is one of silliest thing one can do.Just think it through again anon. I'll leave you to it.
anyone kinda tired of slide mechanics in games? and i specifically mean where sliding is faster than running and theres really no reason to lower your hitbox so it might as well just make the slide speed the base default speed.
>>731492574"Graphics" is a technical term, computer graphics."Graphics don't matter" is an appeal to art style over pushing tech specs and acting like higher resolution textures, more polygons, and other advancements in graphics technology which inevitably results in devs pushing (ugly) realism because it's the most technically impressive while requiring the least amount of creativity to design.Nobody is saying they wouldn't prefer a game that looks nice over a game that looks ugly (all else being equal) when they say graphics don't matter.
>>731492925Art is still the main selling point that gets people into installing it.Gris and worldless are both similarly pretty enviros driven platformers and gameplay just needs to be serviceable to enjoy them.
I have adhdGameplay is literally just how the game interacts with the player. Button presses and "twitchy" mechanics are gameplay, but depending on the context of the game there can be other elements as well, so long as the player is given agency. The story of a visual novel or adventure game can be gameplay, as well as the music of a rhythm game, because these are the primary elements these games are built around and the player is given agency on how to approach them.
>>731493228But I'm not actually pissing on the floor and I tricked others into stopping, seems like you are just mad I tricked you as well since you seem more concerned about insulting me than offering a "proper" solution
>>731493413>Nobody is saying they wouldn't prefer a game that looks nice over a game that looks ugly (all else being equal) when they say graphics don't matter.You don't talk to enough tendies (lucky you)But trust me, at each new Pokémon game, the "I don't buy games to look at trees/buildings anyway" crowd is back stronger than everPeople want to defend their waste of money no matter what
>>731492521>when I realized telling my brain to shut up when nothing important was happening was just as effectiveDoesn't work for me. Telling my brain to shut up is just a feedback loop of my inner monologue arguing with me.
>>731489072>provides no alternative for what is the most important
>>731493641Games are a holistic medium
>>731491137>pic relatedBet the guy reads genretrash, watches capeshit, and listens to some normie tier genre of music. All the arts have their slop form. Gaming main issue is it seems to have a far higher slop to quality ratio.
>>731492250The gameplay is worse and feels like ass and if you can't feel it you didn't play the original.
>>731493624yeahhitting myself helps, i've learned, but i don't want to become the subject of a louis theroux documentary. so i don't do that. glad i never took on that coping mechanism as a child
>>731493810>picrelCan filmfags just stop pretending their medium is equivalent to music and literature? They out themselves IMMEDIATELY because they can’t help but always put it on a pedestal. The only thing worse is photographers.
>>731489072The way I want to press buttons is superior.
>>731493863why do you think that? personally i think 60 fps feels better than 25. also the ps3 pad is ass
>>731489072a bunch of casuals flocked to the wii for shit like wii sports, not walking sim slop.
>>731494058Filmfags will always be down in the mud with us as far as the arts go no matter how much they deny it. It's telling he didn't list any of the arts not really consumable by normie poorfags, like architecture, sculpting, paintings
>>731491137Mario Kart World was the best album of 2025
>>731493897The key is subtle forms of inducing pain on yourself. The rubberband trick that cutters use is pretty good, the one where you put it around your wrist, pull it, and let it flick on your skin, doing it over and over.
>>731489072>"story first" mfers when the game is more than two generations old
>>731489072But those are the 2D platformers with the best gameplay>But they're too easy2D platformers are more fun when they're easier
>>731489072It actually just means they are a poser. “Gameplay” doesn’t exist in a fucking vacuum. You can’t experience gameplay without seeing the game, hearing the game, having control over the game, or having context of the what the games objective is. They are not separate things.Take even a simple, gameplay focused game like the original doom. Different enemy types have different sprites, and their corpses stay on the ground when killed. It simultaneously adds for better visual variety instead of seeing the same enemy the entire game but it directly affects gameplay. You visually confirm that pinky is fought differently than a pack of shotgun fags, imagine if every enemy looked the same but had different combat capabilities. It would look worse AND have shittier gameplay because every encounter would feel essentially random as you cannot tell what enemy type they are at a glance. And corpses on the ground not only provide a visual “reward” of BTFOing a demon but it also helps you explore as it shows where you have been. Music also has an effect on how fun the game is to actually play. Take again doom and replace it animal crossing’s soundtrack. The game is now more boring to PLAY even if the “gameplay” is the exact same. Even fucking story. Doom has demons from hell invading and you’re a cool dude who kills demons. This context improves how fun the game is to actually play. If instead of a cool dude killing demons you were homosexual Indian shooting feces at other Indians, you should be able to imagine that doesn’t sound fun to actually PLAY (unless you’re actually a good sir).Now, there IS a certain enjoyment that can be had in manipulating a device with your hands which would be the purest form of “gameplay. But even at a pure form like say practicing fighting game combos in training mode there is still context, and most “muh gameplay” fags get fucking filtered by fighting anyways.
>>731494176https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ze2aSUJmh5s
>>731489182kill yourself immediately tourist
>muh gameplay is king>muh story is kingBoth failed a really easy question. The correct and really obvious answer is that games all have different goals at what they are trying to do and if you only enjoy games attempting one thing it kind of makes you a boring person.
>>731494990oh. YOU don't actually think that, some e-celeb does and you can't even be bothered to put his opinion into your own words
Music > All
Zelda and Metroid are the ultimate forms of game design, along with RPGs. All of these games make you feel more powerful along the course of the game. Even though I don't like Metroid Dread, at the end Raven Beak says, "Power ... is everything". The designers know what the games are about.
>>731494973This. The nuance of the gameplay-first argument is that everything else in a game is meant to serve the gameplay, contextualize the gameplay, and give it meaning and purpose, so you're putting the cart before the horse if you deliberately make the gameplay WORSE in order to make those other things better. That doesn't mean those things are irrelevant or don't need to be good. It means those things need to exist in service of the gameplay rather than to spite it.
>"GAMEPLAY IS KING" niggaz when a game or a mod used AI voice acting
For me the most important aspect of gameplay is exploration and discovery. Since the internet became available to the average 80 IQ brown person these have both been removed from the majority of games because someone could look something up or autistically rage at missing something.The next most important aspect of gameplay is having a variety of tools to solve a problem. Having the choice of using stealth or fighting or talking is always better than being forced to do one. Stealth specifically gets forced into a lot of games with no actual tools for the player to enjoyably engage with it.Third is character building. Aside from variety already mentioned, the player should have enough control that they can make themselves overpowered to bypass difficulty and weak to challenge themselves.Story conflicts with the two most important aspects of games which is why gameplay is king even has to be said.
>>731493863Dark Souls isn't the original but I agree.
>>731489072"Gameplay first" is talking about a game actually being fun to play above anything else.People who get too up their ass with story and narrative can frequently kill a game by aggressive with gameplay-story integration and realism faggotry.Fun is subjective of course, for example some people find turn-based combat fun, some people hate it, and people who think a game plays like dogshit won't finish it. As a result, you will have people who love turn-based combat singing the praise of JRPGs while other people see the genre as nearly unplayable, it's that simple. There's no need to bring mental illness identity bullshit into this conversation.
>>731489072>>>/tv/>>>/lit/>>>/a/Here, there are boards better suited for the hobbies you enjoy, casual. Now go there and stay there, leave the /v/ dwellers discuss why gameplay is king. Go back. Stop posting, KYS
>>731493608Pokemon as a franchise has completely fallen off the cart and Gamefreak is utterly inept. But in defense of pokemon fags, when you're talking about a game where 99.999% of the content is monsters battling other monsters, I can see the validity of this argument. If, and only if, the work HAS been done on the part of the game that features monsters battling other monsters. Because that's the part of the game where the visual presentation is relevant to that player.>Oh look the trees on route 7 look like assyeah, okay, but that's the equivalent of shitting on CSGO for the skybox. It's not the part of the game people are paying attention to.
>>731495452>Story conflicts with the two most important aspects of games which is why gameplay is king even has to be said.No it doesn’t. Take devil may cry. Imagine replacing the Vergil fights with some random gay nigger from outer space, the game is less fun. Even in 3 where Vergil 1 and 2 are actually pretty fucking mid mechanically, it works because it’s Vergil and the story built it up.
>>731490573Any game /v/ talks about outside the obvious paid shill release window is worth looking into. Most of the best games of the last 20 years you wouldn't have even heard of anywhere else, like Sengoku Rance, Alchemy Master, Enchant Farm. Then there is stuff like Astelibra, Void Stranger, or Stranger of Paradise which you might hear about. We were playing Minecraft in beta. Souls used to be obscure and now Fromsoft is the only game company worth paying regular attention to.
>>731491137Story is what the player does. It shouldn't be 'told' like you are being talked down to. AI has basically replaced storytelling since you can direct the story any way you want at any time.
>>731495760it is not like the skybox in csgo at all, homo-san. you collide with trees, you can get up close to them, other trainers stand under them, they have historically been searchable for items, pokemon, and even secret hideouts.get a grip. walking around finding your next battle is a lot more than 00.0001% of pokemon, hyperbole-kun
Game-play is the most important part of a game.But trueBut in reality this is just an excuse for retards to cry about games having a story.
>>731495760The problem is that it's not just the treesI played Gen 9, the environments just look like absolute dogshit and did get me out of the game to think about wtf I was looking at (especially those mountains near the fighting type team start thing, wtf was that, how is that okay)The environments are part of the game; you have to go through the overworld to go places and fight. You don't spend 100% of your time playing in fightsGen 9 and ZA are supposed to be about the pseudo open world, and said pseudo open world looks like shit, it's not a minor part of the game that can be overlookedBoth of those games have photo modes; they want you to look at those garbage environments (that mode is a very minor part of the game, that you don't have to ever interact with, but still)
>>731489182Based
>>731489072not sure what this nigga OP is yapping about, but i love how almost 20 years later Soul Eater lives on through this fucking meme face.
>>731489182>all these fags shitting on this post to fit inLOL!
>>731489182BASED!
>>731496696I haven't played a Pokemon game (apart from PokeRogue) since Gen 6. And I'm not defending GF because their ineptitude knows no bounds, but if they WERE to finally wake up and decide to try and not make the next main Pokemon game suck unbelievable ass, I would want the time and effort invested into>bringing back all the cut pokemon >unique battle animations in combat, a la Stadium>more effort on mon designAnd then on some distant horizon the art team can think about trees and mountains and shit. I'd certainly rather that, than to keep the caliber of combat/mon art we have and make the environments look nice.
>>731491137Remember that this guy made a comic saying that spec ops was the most effective form of Heart of Darkness
>>731491794Played both those games this week. First one I remembered that I deleted it playing it years ago after one of the very first movement abilities lets you get stuck in a completely dark area.Played it hating it increasingly more and more. Copies the worst aspect of metroid the escape sequence and does it repeatedly. Got to volcano area and said fuck it.Second game is better. I did get lost at the start not seeing a spring plant which meant I went off doing some bullshit difficulty combat trial I should have been doing later. I like this game much better than the first. You aren't expending mp to save and you don't have to buy power ups. It does have the escape sequences. I quit at the sand one. Presumably this is the end of the game or just before it. You go through this whole area so you can see how bullshit the escape is going to be.These escape sequences aren't timed, they are being pushed by a wall of death that keeps pace with you and kills you if you slip up. You can't out speed them in one part to give you breathing room in another.Fucking awful games, would not recommend.
>>731491476>>731491729so Tetris's gameplay exists to serves its story?
>>731489072so what exactly is your point? If gameplay isn't king, what is?
>>731494973Doom had different heights (even though the map is technically 2d), enemies that would fight each other and exploding barrels; all original gameplay.
>>731495283>power is everything>main gimmick of the game is stealth sectionsMetroid has been dead 20 years and Zelda has been Dark Souls for nearly that long.
>>731497526Nothing, need a good balance depending on the genre, you won't expect the same thing from a jrpg than from a puzzle game
>>731489072>their definition of gameplay is ridiculously limited and only includes dynamic twitchy mechanics and nothing methodical or deliberateVery true.
>>731495608The problem is that turn based combat isn't the gameplay of jrpgs. The gameplay is building the character and exploring for loot. The combat is in service to these. Making the combat skill based rather than thought negates the intended gameplay.One doesn't need to be 'better' than the other. Sometimes I just want a comfy relaxing adventure I can set down and pick up when I want instead of enemies spawning on top of me that require full attention at all times.
>>731495760The gameplay of pokemon is gotta catch 'em all. This stopped being possible after 2nd or 3rd gen or was put into some postgame random generated crap.I actually believe pokemon's massive success putting gameplay first is what mindbroke Squaresoft and why they went all in on ignoring gameplay to focus on moviegames. 'Outskilled at our own game, not going to even try any more'.
>>731489072go read a book faggot.
>>731490164allright nigger you got me, which one is this?
>>731489072Rampant gameplayfags are all Soulsshitters, no exceptions.
>>731492919>decade+>some post 2010 faggot thinks hes great your a faggot and a nigger for even making a thread like this in a videogame board, its a board about games, who's defining characteristic is the fucking GAMEPLAY you stupid fucking illiterate retard. now fuck off back to your home, lelddit.
>>731490074>WizardryEhhh, it's kind of simple at its core, just obtuse
>>731490074>dominions enjoyerextremely rare, theres like 20 of us that keep buying illwinters copy and pasted dogshit.
>>731490372>anybody that likes something I don't is just pretendingYou hate art
Holy retarded bait
>>731498603>2016 tourist lecturing anyone on reddit and gameslmao
>>731498392You could not be more wrong, the success of Pokemon lies 100% in the brand and the monster designs, this is evident in the fact the merch makes 100x more money than the games, and that many other Pokemon clones and games that improved on the formula all failed because they didn't have the key ingredient, the Pokemon Everything else is irrelevant, people buy the games in order to get more of Pokemon, not the other way around
>>731497437How much time did you spend playing Tetris compared to other games this month
>>731495283Holy console bab, play a real game
>>731491738It means that the best 2D and 3D platformers aren't Mario games but "gameplay is king" fags won't hear it because they value brand and nostalgia and popularity over actual gameplay
>>731489072a game can be a masterpiece if it's focused mostly on story. a game can be a masterpiece if it focuses mostly on gameplay. the only thing that matters is that the game is good
>>731489182I hate how maymay arrows caught on outside of 4chan on sites not coded for it
>>731489072>gameplay isnt king nigger>look inside>its a grindy daily login anime porn png collector
>>731490074You only like these games because of their context, if you stripped away the context so only the contextless numerical variables remained you wouldn't bother with them
>>731493810>Gaming main issue is it seems to have a far higher slop to quality ratio.the slop ratio is about on par with movies, books, and music, I'd actually say there's more shit books/movies/music than good books/movies/music there's so much abysmal dogshit out there that you never hear about
>>731489281holy newfaggot batman
>>731489072Gameplay is what makes a videogame a videogame you mongaloid. If you want a story, go read a book. Oh, what's the matter, are YOU too ADHD to actually sit through one? Ironic. Sit down and shut the fuck up.
>>731491137only a brainlet that consumes the most surface level of each medium would make such an imagevidya is not superior to other forms of media, but it grants a unique experience impossible to be replicated, I enjoy both Sekiro and glorified VNs like Baldurs Gate
>>731501604Nice projection lmao
>>731489072https://youtu.be/I4vFP9ZgSI8
>>731501664If you really do have the aptitude then go read a book and syay out of vidya>>>/lit/>>>/out/
>>731495283I like games where progression means getting better at it as a player.
