>ask gamedev if he used AI because it's a clearly visible on cover art and music is generic SUNO-slop>dev instantly acts offended and defensive and responds to you with a gigantic post of mental gymnasticsfucking AI-slop game devs i swear...
dont let this guy know about daft punk or gorillaz
this thread is AI-generated
>>731606709our whole lives might be AI generated
>>731606709good morning saaar
>>731606478>do you really think it makes sense to make an original track FOR SUCH SMALL PROJECTwhat a fucking retardwhat do you mean small projects?he still sells that game for $6.what an idiot
Maybe because anti-AI fags are acting as if they are internet Gestapo and want any kind of project that uses AI to die?And don't get me wrong, if you use AI you should disclose it. But if you are a 1 man team, it's stupid to have your project die because people don't like that you used AI for the parts that you are not good with.If the product is good, it doesn't matter how it was done. And if you have a dogshit vision, AI will reflect this harder.
>>731606990>AI fags are acting as if they are internet GestapoWe unironicly are
>>731606478paragraph of cope from an AI copetard.
>>731606990So why are AI fags not supporting AI content creators?
>>731606478>do you really think it makes sense to make a real soundtrack for such small projects?Dude, just use stock Creative Commons music, there are plenty of them, or recordings from Musopen.
>>731607325or just buy a pack from Humble Bundle. I got a ton of music for like 15 bucks
>>731607325he also selling his game for moneySame logic can be used against him "do you really think you should ask money for your shitty small project"?now the project is not only small but also using AI
>>731606478
>>731606990>anti-AI fags = gestapoBased. Now I hate AI even more.
>>731606478This fucking game? https://youtube.com/watch?v=1IRWsRfICQU Why the fuck would this retard use such obvious AI? Why include vocals at all?
>>731606709This is the new "you're a fed!" slur for 4chan. What started in /pol/ as a derailment tactic when paid shills didn't want regular people talking about stuff that bristled too closely to the truths of their masters, accusing everything of being AI is the same.
>>731606478kek, how it writhes and flails when it is found out.
This reminds me of a 3D artist I really liked, he used to use actual music in his videos but then he started using "self-made" AI garbage with "lewd" lyrics and it made his videos fucking unwatchable. He seems to have stopped with that shit for his last couple of videos, so hopefully he doesn't fucking do it again.
>>731608502nope the one with planes (planes is also Ai art + ai music)he (just like all AI-cucks)wants to make a quick buck by making shitty small games for that onionboys platform
>>731606768fun read herehttps://x.com/Devon_Eriksen_/status/2009393479886004403
>>731606478Dev responded in the dumbest way possible. In fact, you should barely be communicating with your audience in general considering that most of them are going to be dumber than the shit you scrape off your boot.>>731607948The problem is that people do care. You have people living in the foothills of the bell curve that blindly support it like it's going to solve all of humanity's problems when it can't even summarize articles without completely lying to you, or people who despise it because of some poorly defined but vaguely leftist ideology. The lowest levels of discourse dominate the entire conversation too, because the majority of discussion occurs between shills, grifters, and lumpenproles who aren't capable of articulating an intelligent or nuanced take.
>>731608776Either way he's an absolute retard. He could have generated some midi sequences and no one would ever be able to tell he used AI for the music.
>>731609081Can AI do decent midi? I haven't touched AI music stuff because everything I've heard on youtube is pure garbage but if it perfectly regurgitates midi tracks I could have fun with that
>>731609257AI music can do instrumentals just fine unless you REALLY have an ear for that shit, but anybody can pick out shoddy AI vocals.
>>731607253AIfags don't like or play games, they're only interested in jerking off to AIslop porn.
>>731609012>blindly support it like it's going to solve all of humanity's problemsit's really easy to do this when you see a proper implementation of it at your job and get to reap the reward. The opposite must occur if you don't get to reap shit, and actually lose your job. It's only like the first couple of years of proper implementation, so once some serious infrastructure is built around this, the discussion will get way worse.
>>731609305I love AI and play video games
>>731609257>>731609292I mean generate the midi sequence itself and then use a midi player. That way it's impossible to get any of the weird timbre artifacts you get from raw AI music.
>>731609330>>731609012>we have problems like "why do I have to do this? someone or something should do it for me">AI has provably been shown that it can be trained to execute the actions solving such problems>for some reason people can't grasp what this meansThe only reason AI hasn't replaced billions of jobs already is because there is only a small handful of people on the planet smart enough to train good models to do such things. And they're all working on training the "big" model that will solve THEIR problems which are basically how to quickly train good models for everything. Ergo AI WILL solve all of our problems, it's just a matter of time. There's no logical argument against this, the best people come up with is "technology wills top progressing in 2 weeks" only to be wrong again for the 4539459345949th time.
>>731609330I think the only place AI has actually made huge advancements in is the medical field, which to be fair AI has actually revolutionized and is probably the only practical use case for it. The other issue at hand is that this is a massive bubble and it's going to burst spectacularly because of the hideous amounts of overinvestment. Once the bubble pops you'll probably see a restructuring and focus on small-scale AI implementations where it will get more ubiquitous. I have nothing against AI-generated stuff in a vacuum, but the problem is that people will just lazily generate something and then... just leave it as colorless garbage dumped onto a plate instead of using it as a baseline and going from there. OP gamedev probably did put a good amount of effort into refining it, but at the end of the day if it sounds like AI slop it's still AI slop.>>731609523Just two more weeks fellas, two more weeks until all of that money we shoveled into this shit will work, please dear god use Copilot we're begging you!
>>731609292I did randomly come across some boomer who did a everquest stream on YT and he used a ton of AI 8 bit EQ cover tracks but they sounded really really bad
>>731606709Your life is AI-generated.
>>731606990If all you are is an "ideas guy" that shoved everything you'd want into a video game into an AI prompt and then tried to sell the result for profit, your "project" deserves to die.
>>731609012The dev could have responded better, but I can't fault them for wanting to call out this bullshit in the first place. As you mention, it seems that people are making AI into a culture war issue and people going >DOES GAEM HAV AI? AI BAD XITTER ARTEEST PATREON SAY SO! irrationally rejecting a title simply for the tools used to make it. Oldfags may remember how "CGI" got a similar response on a much smaller scale (because of a lack of social media) back in the 90s and early 2000s, but people eventually got over it and now the same people who are screeching about AI are using digital art tools that were seen as similarly "cheap, invalidating the artistic value etc" opinions by vacuous people back in the day. People should be focusing on the outcome, not screeching about the tools involved but its worse because they don't even do that with far, far more concerning elements like monetization. This dev didn't do a great job of it, but push back on this behavior that somehow AI use has to be declared so they can claim its evil and the product involved is tainted - something that doesn't happen with gacha or other predatory monetization, nor even paid or default asset etc..and many other things that are either of greater effect or are more likely to suggest a game is 'cheap' etc - needs to continue, especially so we can get to the real discussion about AI and those megacorps who are using proprietary software as a service API , censoring, and jacking up the price when they get enough onboard for instance.
>>731607325>>731607396>>731607767What, in your mind, makes that better than using AI?
>>731608573Nah it's just typical /v/ latching onto one term to throw at everything they don't like>viral>tranny>shill>jeet>slop>aiSame shit, different term. Don't expect it to change anything.
>>731606478>hey does your game use AI->no>b-b-but it looks lik->no>and it s-s-sounds lik->noWhat now AI-tards?
>>731609012>people who despise it because it can't even summarize articles without completely lying to youFixed that for you
>>731606478Why dont devs just not interact with players?
>>731609559The world is bigger than the corporations that live rent free in your head, retard. It's funny because you clearly understand this somewhat since you mentioned medicine yet your head is so thick the "investments" and beta services have somehow mindfucked you into thinking nothing is going to change despite things constantly changing.
>>731609330>once some serious infrastructure is built around this"I...thank you..."
>>731609867Nothing. Like with anything else in life if you can fool everyone then you automatically win.
>>731609867>HEY EVERYONE THIS GUY'S GAME USES AI!ez gg no re
>>731609784>People should be focusing on the outcomeYou are correct, and this is primarily what I concern myself with. The utilization of AI *can* be a somewhat useful heuristic for determining whether or not something is a worthwhile product, but in and of itself isn't a valuable metric. For instance, if a post here is accompanied by AI slop there's a 99% chance this poster is some form of retarded and the post isn't worth reading, but that's contingent upon you being able to determine with some confidence that the image is AI generated, so obviously if it's fairly convincing it sidesteps the issue altogether.>>731609973T-two more weeks. Any minute now you'll see return on investment saar.
Why AI sloppers take themselves so seriously?Why can't they just admit it's slop and enjoy the process...t. just closed a tab with a meme song made by AI
>>731609973>The world is bigger than the corporationsThe ADL will hear about this.>>731610148Why do shartists have to take aifags seriously?
>>731610148The problem is you. There's no difference whether you use AI or something else, that person made the thing.
>>731609867meanwhile reality is more like:>artist makes a game>"hey, i think your art assets are AI generated">"nope, here's the source files showing the layers and composition. check out my portfolio too!">hack fraud makes a game>"hey, i think your art assets are AI generated">*incoherent victim complex word diarrhea*
>>731610460Brainrot shit is so stupid but fun, sloppers should embrace this shit instead of trying to pass as someone who puts in effort.
>>731610148My AI gens are art.
>>731608502>Cowboy game>Emo-rock song???
>>731610460>"hey, i think your art assets are AI generated"Why would you even do this. Why do you care. If you think some literally who's game is AI, then just don't play it. What possesses people like (You) to turn non-issues into social justice struggles in order to defeat invisible enemies?
>>731610624So are my bowl movements.
>>731610707What's wrong with having sense of justice?Are you Jewish?
>>731610707They're SJWs fighting some fake culture war.. The same people are stalking and harassing people in real life if they think they're ICE or if they're schizo and/or lonely+pathetic.>>731610748>justiceHere's one now, holy shit.
>>731606478>But! Are you an AI hater?Why do sloppers have such a persecution complex?
>>731610748You're placing your warped view of justice on a VIDEO GAME. Pick your battles more wisely and you might actually accomplish something with your worthless life
>>731610707>Why would you even do this. Why do you care.nigger you selling me shitty ai-slop and supposed that i will EAT it and pay my money?fuck offlike if this world wasnt already fake and lameburn every AI-fag
>>731606990>want any kind of project that uses AI to die?basedpeople who dont put in the effort to create dont deserve to earn the rewards of the creative process
>>731610707consumers have every right to question products being sold
>use a game engine>game engine displayed before start of game>use a publisher>publisher displayed before start of game>use AI>NOOOO FUCK YOU I DON'T HAVE TO DISCLOSE SHIT! YOU'RE A RETARD AND WHETHER I USE AI OR NOT IS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS! KILL YOURSELF! YOU'RE BANNED FROM THE GAME DISCUSSION FORUMS!huh?
>>731610845>>731610798these are the same retards that were kvetching about digital art decades ago
>>731610790Videogames are sold for real money.You sound like you're mad that you don't get to both scam people AND have respect (??)Why would a scammer want respect?
>>731606478You can't even make it through your post without using the word slop twice. Maybe devs making use of new tech are tired of dealing with ignorant retards like you. For shitting on AI all you losers do is mindlessly parrot a single word like the automation you claim to hate.
>>731606990>Maybe because anti-AI fags are acting as if they are internet Gestapoholy based
>>731610920>Why would a scammer want respect?it's called izzat saar
>>731610707>Why would you even do this.I think using AI for art is cancer and if you use AI for art in your product not only I will not give you any money but I will go out of my way to talk shit about you and your game whenever I have the opportunity.
>>731610798>selling me>meYou are an absolute narcissist.
>>731611068I think that's mental illness
>>731611068>I will go out of my way to talk shit about you and your game whenever I have the opportunity.You're not special. We do that every day here. The problem is when some turbo autist confronts the game dev on social media or in a private chat. What's even the point. Just fucking complain on 4chan like the rest of us goddamn
>>731606709The vast majority of posts on 4chan are now AI bots flooding the site with time/energy wasting garbage>One goal of such tactics is to make the boards less interesting for their users
>>731610709Nothing an ESL does is art
>>731606990>anti-AI fags are acting as if they are internet GestapoI do be like that
AI fags can not stop losing
>>731611214>NOOOO YOU CANT HURT THE DEV'S FEELINGS DIRECTLY YOU HAVE TO SHITTALK THEM BEHIND THEIR BACKS LIKE A WOMAN!
>>731611278>hard evidence that the only reason people hate AI is based on feefeesnot the slam dunk you think it is
>>731609559>I think the only place AI has actually made huge advancementsYou don't really have to think in this case. We are going through one of the biggest filters right now, and it's obvious which companies will survive and which will still think it's a bubble and not implement proper workflows. If you're not employed by one of these companies, you're actually gonna be poor, barring some inheritance or whatever.
>>731611338KINO
Do people still have a meltdown if you only use an AI engine with your own work?
>>731611278>can't tell if a song is made by AI https://files.catbox.moe/yg81br.webm
>>731609784>Oldfags may remember how "CGI" got a similar response on a much smaller scale (because of a lack of social media) back in the 90s and early 2000s, but people eventually got over it And complaining over CGI was pretty valid because even though it allowed for some nice animated movies it overall made the movie industry way more souless and corporate. All these years later people are still impressed with practical effects and the shit people had to pull to animate monsters, robots and create all kinds of special effects, meanwhile there is NOTHING impressive about CGI effects.
>>731609305>AIslop cuck pornFixed.
Only human made games deserve my money, AI is for writing me a dozen novels' worth of fap material for $0, shrimple as>>731611278I leave youtube on autoplay at work and I've listened to enough 2 hour free album compilations to get a feel of what's slop and what's not. There's a couple that I really like despite that though.
>>731611068cry harder
>>731606478I don't understand how it's so hard to understand that people pay artists to make art, the only reason to keep paying artists is so they can produce more art. Maybe you like them so much you pay them even more to produce better art. If you take the artist out of the equation and replace it with a machine it doesn't matter.>NOOOOO I HAVE TO BE AN ARTISTyou can still be an artist without getting paid and recognized
>>731611338>If you're not employed by one of these companies, you're actually gonna be poor, barring some inheritance or whatever.Based OpenAI PR employee
>AI is soooo easy to spot!Yea the AI mash ups available to the public. You think real money is waiting for it to show the right amount of fingers? AI has been used and abused for social manipulation for a while now. Your just getting to play with the old models now.
Do you really NEED to make music with AI though? Just look at cruelty squad's soundtrack https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y12_6rvou_8 It's mostly just weird blips and bloops but it's fucking perfect. You don't need professionally composed sounding music to go with your game, just do shit.
>>731610748Jews will commit heinous acts in the name of justice anon. What are you smoking
>>731606478>dev instantly acts offended and defensive and responds to you with a gigantic post of mental gymnasticsIt really be that way.
>>731611653This is unfiltered garbage. Your example is a game that deliberate looks and sounds like garbage.
>>731606478>THIS IS AI!>yes>AI CAN'T MAKE ART REEEE>games aren't art
>use Songsterr AI to auto-transcribe any guitar-based song or any drum beat>download as midi>plop midi track into template mix from VST of choice>make a couple tweaks so people don't recognize the plagiarism>profitIt's that easy
>>731611675This is true though even creating a simple image requires hours of wrangling
>>731611705Sorry that it doesn't look like Call of Duty and the music isn't lofi soundclound mumble rap, normalfag.
>>731611705And it sells the game perfectly. Sometimes as a developer you have to recognize your limits and work around that.
>>731611653Reading a beginner's book on music theory takes like 2 days. Less time than it'd take to get used to any music production software. This is just trash.
>>731611653Sloppers don't realize that there's beauty in imperfection. Look at how everything they gen looks like the perfect form of whatever style's popular at the moment.
>>731611613>OpenAI employeegod i fucking wish. >>731611627>Your just getting to play with the old models now.we don't even get the old models. The hardware required to run even the outdated corpo shit is off limits too 99.9% of the population.
>>731611765Sorry you have the aesthetic sense of a cucumber, maldnon.>>731611781Or don't, and use AI. It's that easy.
I wish I could keep playing with old Gemini modelsGive me 2.0 and 2.5 back Jewgle
>>731611809>god i fucking wish.Best of luck saar
>>731611820Sorry, I prefer a game with unique appeal like Cruelty Squad over dozens of AI garbage shat out by AIbro normalfags.
>>731611653cruelty squad is a piece of shit and you're retarded
>>731611887>I like garbage because... because it has soul or something!Yeah we know
>BAAAAAWWWWW PAY HUMAN ARTISTS WHAT THEY'RE WORTH!!!!But he did exactly that????
>>731611820>Sorry you haveHave you played the game? Wait, this is /v/ so of course you haven't and proceed to complain anyways
>>731607325Or... just use AI?
AI itself is human made, acting like its some otherworldly thing from another planet is retarded
>>731611924Don't you get it? All the deviantart people posted for a liveable wage right? There's no way my untalented ass is drawing worse than a 13 year old in my 30s, we live in a society.
>>731611924I mean you pay an artist for their time and effort which is something they price themselves. The consumer pays their fees because they deem it satisfactory for their time. The real question is why should anyone pay for AI art when you can just make it yourself for free.
What's the best erp model right now?>just run localI have a potato
>>731609793It sounds better
>>731609784Also drawing tablets. So much shitting on drawing tablets. Anyone remember "it's not real art without a material investment!!!!"?Just kidding, people screeching about AI today never cared or are too young to remember.
>>731611887I prefer neither. Whether it's handmade, AI-assisted, or AI-generated, it should still have some effort and thought put into it. The idea guy should literally be doing his best to come up with a good idea for a game I'd want to play and doing his best to make it into a reality. I'm hardly even a nitpicky person, but it's plain to see when a game just had zero thought or actual effort put into it. 99% of indie games are just slop the same way AI games are slop. It doesn't matter to me if some drooling retard had AI make everything or if he spent 9 years spinning his wheels, getting zero work done, and then claiming he spent half his life on it. You can tell when someone actually wanted to do a good job or not.
>>731612001>just make corporate AI generated garbage bro!lol
>>731612009retard it can self program
>>731612095yeah because the free stock music he was suggesting as an alternative is so soulful and rebellious
A little bit tired of reading same shit over and over, but I've yet to see AI bros post something that fits the definition "it looks good, why does it matter to you if its AI or human made?"Care to show a good looking result of AIgen?
>>731612046The primalist has spoken
>>731610707Why are people who use AI so afraid of being found out?
>>731606478>AI is the FUTURE man! it's totally as good as something human made!>What? NO! I wont say that I used AI for my product!!! that would be stupid...
>>731612196
Allen Iverson was my favorite basketball player. I doubt he can help devs much with making video games
>>731612081>never caredWhat's the problem that?
>>731612259Because the reaction sadly tends to be disproportionally emotional, and in the era of social media that risks your project getting buried.
>>731612278Looks mediocre, if I encountered something like this on twitter I'd skip it, not sure if it's slop or real tho.
>>731612259dev here. it's because it's looked down upon by actual devs, is a confession to not fully making the game by hand and there's no saying how much ai was used if it was found in one place
>>731610148Have the far-left cuck propaganda devs of the last 10 years admitted that their games were wokeslop yet?
Remember when AI struggled with hands (Because most human artists struggle with hands and that was the data it fed off) and artist try to act like it was some epic own
>>731612259AI haters are rabid dogs like the politics people and the conflict only attracts dramaniggers
>>731611068>I'm a proud neo-luddite!
>>731612047Honestly, none are in a good spot right now.GLM can do code well, which lets it do pretty things like pic related, but it's really bad at characterizationKimi K2 is a superb smut writer, but the model is dumb as rocks and extremely prone to hallucinationDeepSeek-V3-0324/R1 played characters in a really fun way, but they were repetitive, and had weird quirks like a desire to break scenery for no reasonDeepseek 3.1 fixed the issues, but got lobotimized. Its erotic writing became much more simplistic and generic. People say 3.2 is better but in my experience, they are retards.No one cares about QWEN.Claude and Chatgpt are too expensive so I never tried them.It's a pick your poison kind of thing. I would suggest paying 3 bucks for a month of chutes and giving them all a try.
>>731612312Nothing on principle, but if more people did care and remembered, we may not be having the exact same conversation as 20 years ago all over again.
The same people also sóypoint and buy photobashed FZD cancerslop like this, don't take opinions from cattle
>>731612330it's slop
Why is computer generated shit fine but ai bad?
>>731612415Oh and Gemini 3 is supposed to be really good, but getting hold of it without having to pay is tricky. Paid version is kind of expensive. Google might also get mad and nuke your account too.
>>731612529AI isn't bad, we're just living through a mental illness pandemic.
>>731612259they know they are slop peddlers
>>731612412>I'm a proud slop eating pig!
>>731612415>>731612047NovelAI is really good if you're willing to pay, I used to use gpt with sillytavern but now since getting into Novel I havent looked back
>>731612529Why computer generated shit didn't attract so many new people, but AI did?This is the answer.
>>731612610>NovelAI is really good No it's not. Never been. Didn't read the rest.
>>731612619Harder to gatekeep?
>>731612659Did you just equate effort floor required to learn a tool to gatekeeping?
>>731606478Fuck slop salesmen
>>731612337holy sovl
>>731612703I was more referring to costs.
>>731612635How is it bad?
>>731612774AI is arguably more costly than most digital hobbies.
Ever notice how "Don't ask questions and consume product" stopped getting posted when ai became popular
>What's the product if it's good? 1.) All AI art is derivative and that's a bad thing2.) Good is subjective and consumers can choose whatever criteria they want to determine quality. If the customer says 'This is bad because AI was used to make it', then they are correct and as a producer of content you must agree with them
>>731612301The AI one looks like a worse version of the previous two pictures.
Look at this absolute slop, there's no artistry or craftsmanship left, completely devoid of human touch. And the pollution my god think about the environment, sure we want to build shit and expand to meet a demand that's higher than the supply but that doesn't mean we shouldn't compensate 30 workers to produce one of these to specifications. An entire class of skilled laborers are being filtered out and you're cheering for it? Sickening.
>>731612597>all advancements are slop! the status quo must be preserved!
>>731609793It's not pure garbage.
>>731612415>DeepSeek-V3-0324/R1Can this still be accessed through the official API?
>>731612924They're all drawn by a human. Congratulations on being mentally ill.
>>731612939>advancements"Advancing" towards what? Everything gets worse, AI slop just facilitates more corner cutting and mass production of trash.
>These niggers are spending their time arguing about whether they should consume ai games or notif you're so smart where's your agentic coded videogames or apps...wait, you guys aren't even making anything with AI, you're just arguing about it on 4chan!?
>>731612939>AIslop is literally like the invention of electricity and flight! Vishnu curse you, saar!
AI haters are mentally ill. Gonna be funny when videos come out with them being tricked into liking or not realizing something is ai.
>>731611653That's fine if you're making some garbage like Cruelty Squad but this wouldn't pass in a Final Fantasy, or Halo, or Zelda.
