>Game has fake moral complexity
>game is a hate later with racial slurs and rife with ad hominem to the player
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>>731624019Why are people still having a meltdown over that game?>war is badWe get it
why did they make her so attractive bros?
>game released 1,488 years ago>released in a year where at least other 843 video games were also released>a game that was never ported to newer platforms>a game that even got delisted>people still talk about it instead of letting it goYou're a sexually ambiguous latinx.
>>731624019>this makes critics, journalists and essayists get a coma inducing orgasm
>click the 'i disagree' dialogue option>player character denounces the NPC character's entire bloodline
it's completely impossible for a choice in a game to feel morally significant unless you actually have the option to pick something else. Choosing to jump on the first goomba in Super Mario Bros instead of just jumping over it has more moral weight than being forced to fire bomb a village in The Line
I want to FUCK white Korra!
>>731624220to paraphrase from one of the strips "if we make our mascot female, it's almost as if there was an actual woman sharing our views!".
>>731624019>Not (you)>>731624167Sometimes I genuinely wonder if people who get angry at the game for not letting them not shoot the white phosphorus also get angry when they watch a movie and the protagonist makes a wrong decision. Is it so hard to understand that you're looking at Walker's own actions and decisions, not your own? The only difference is that you can control him while he acts according to those decisions.
>>731624301Also if the good option is simply numerically and strategically the superior choice. Frostpunk loses its oomph when you realize that in 99% of cases it's straight up better to pick the "good" option. Invest in a proper graveyard or simply chuck your dead in a snowdrift? You're basically gimping yourself for no reason by picking the "desperate" choice.
>>731624434They were buck broken by some retarded loading screens.
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>>731624075There was a Call of Jaurez game that was just that. It was set in the modern day instead of the wild west and was shit.
Post it already
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>>731624434>The only difference is that you can control him while he acts according to those decisions.sort of, but you are literally forced to do it if you want to continue playing the game. I can obviously only speak for myself but the game itself wasn't a problem, the way devs addressed the backlash was. They said something like: "Well you could have always just stop playing" which is a retarded thing to say to your customers.
>>731624019
>>731624493>game materially rewards you MORE for being unselfishHate this shit
>>731624523>I'm a 16 year old gamerbro and I wanna go be a hero and shoot terrorist sandpeople for the glory of my country!!>...>wtf war is horrible there are no heroes in this>perhaps going to the desert as a hired gun for ExxonMobil is not my life's calling
>>731624245Your such a fucking faggotWe can see your coded dog whistle that everyone knows. Go back to your containment board and kill yourself.
>you're asking me to reflect on why i did what i did? noooooooooooooooo you can't do
>>731624434A movie never has a character point their finger at the audience and call them bad people for continuing to watch instead of turning it off.
>>731624649Greatest irony was that if America really was there just for the oil, it probably would've been far less disastrous compared to the failed attempt at nation building that took nearly 2 decades and a lot of dead to realize that sand niggers are still just niggers at the end of the day.
im just following orders>oh yeh? (snorts) nazzies said that too, heh, gottemand the conscripts? the black conscripted nazi soldiers?>uh, buh, but uhhyeah shut the fuck up
>>731624167The writers. On its own it’s a passable heart of darkness adaptation, but the sheer pretentiousness of addressing the player directly pissed people off. It’s one of the few cases where death of the author should be applied.
>>731624649Goal post moving, that wasn't >>731624434's argument.
>>731624660>funny numbers make me throw a meltyWhy?
>>731624019What games do this specifically?
>>731624019leftist storytelling be like "MORALLY GREY ABOVE ALL" but when you disagree then black and white thinking is possible again and you are considered an evil fascist
>>731624681NTA. Funny Games is pretty close, though.
I want to hug white Korra !
I want to have hot, sweaty and kinda akward but undeniably wholesome first time virgin sex that ends with impregnation and marriageWith white Korra of course!
The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas also makes up a shocking twist out of nowhere to mock readers who expected it.
>>731624887What!
Nah this is the one time I agree with white korra. Spec ops is touted as some sort of masterclass in storytelling when it's a really REALLY shitty ape of HoD/apocalypse now.It doesn't work in gaming. You can't tell a story with stakes like that while not taking care to make sure your fucking invisible walls and forced-route-corrections aren't so BLATANT.It's not a removed-user experience. You're playing the game, you control the characters. If it's linear, sure, but the ILLUSION of an option the game tries to impress upon you falls apart at DOZENS of points through the game. It's so fucking lame, it could have been really really good, instead it's a fucking footnote.Multiplayer was awesome though.
>>731624717It blew my mind how bullshit this whole argument was when I learned that irl >18,000,000 people fought for Nazi Germany>800,000 of them were in the SS>6,656 nazis were convicted of any crime after the war>200 of them were executed>everyone else was released from prison by 1951LITERALLY over 99% of them got away with it lol
how do you make the player evil without forcing them to continue playing the game?
>>731624805Spec ops the line
>>731624824In hindsight, it's a "morally grey story" that relies on Walker ignoring his original orders to play hero in a situation that probably would've solved itself given enough time and lack of water. The moment you find the angry locals pointing guns at you and Lugo fails to deescalate the situation, that should've been the greenlight to go back and tell command there were in fact survivors to bring in the cavalry. From that point forward, Walker and crew go off the actual mission to try to figure out just what the hell is going on, and things just get more convoluted from there. I know the game insists the Americans are at fault for the disaster, but the UAE government knew weeks in advance the storm was going to happen and quietly booked it while leaving the rest of the city to die....and this never gets brought up at all. The 33rd come in just like Walker to try to save as many people as possible and shit goes tits up fast. From that point forward I can't even say it's entirely their fault, but the fault of the local government intentionally hiding the disaster then refusing to help with the evacuation.
>>731624493>>731624624This is why I enjoyed Army of Two 40th day's morality system, it was tacked on and not very deep but it had fun morality choices.>Picking the good choices gets you nothing>The cutscene that plays after basically calls you out for being a softie. (For example, sparring a guy you were offered money to kill ends up with him murdered by someone else down the line anyways. Listening to some mall cop who tells you to not steal weapons and sparring him ends up with him selling the guns to the terrorists.)>Locks you out of exclusive weapons, attachment and a lot of extra money.Hell, the best sniper in that game is locked behind causing the death of a kid. One of my favorite 6/10 shooter out there.
>>731625212it's astounding to me how everybody jerks off spec ops: the line's story about morality when army of two, a series that nobody talks about today which came out at around the same time, arguably did it better in a more convincing way
Is there an archive for the Critical Miss webcomic anywhere? It's not even on The Escapist's website anymore.
>>731624624Just like in real life
>>731625212This would imply anyone actually played Army of Two.
>>731625153Make the people encouraging being evil likeable, or at least understandable Make the moral characters or victims annoying Actually reward being evil, not with some bullshit that doesn’t matter, but an actual benefit that you can’t get as a good boy.Off the top of my head, Jedi Academy is the best example of doing it right. Being evil lets you kill a really annoying asshole that’s had it coming all game, get a far more fun gauntlet of a last level where you 1v1 the entire map, and a true final boss fight.
>>731625504>Being evil lets you kill a really annoying asshole that’s had it coming all game, get a far more fun gauntlet of a last level where you 1v1 the entire map, and a true final boss fight.Dark side powers are also more fun to use
>>731624019>Game let's you choose between murder and detainment>choosing murder is harshly criticized>still allows for redemption despite thatKino...
I wish to insert my penis into Erin's butthole, if you catch my drift.>>731625373Rydell (iirc) has a wordpress with most/all the strips. They lack the contemporary context so a lot of them barely makes sense if you don't recognize whatever newsbit it's commenting on.
>>731625153Unironically Undertale, being a dick is entire down to the player and it does a decent enough job judging the specific degree of the player being a bastard.>>731625632True, but I don't think the powers really affect the story beyond Luke and/or Kyle chiding you if you put too many points into Dark side powers. I remember beating the game with maxed Choke and Lightning and they didn't even care because my Light side points outweighed the Dark side points.
>>731624078well I don't
>>731625153>evil woman genuinely loves you and wants you to become the antichrist so that she can serve at your feet >good woman is blatantly using you to save the world and will not hesitate to try to murder you if she suspects you are falteringThey actually overdid it and nobody picks the good route lol
>>731624167Because it approaches the issue from a completely wrong angle. The game's message might be correct but it's a linear story game where you can't not do war crimes, and when you do the game yells WHAT DID YOU DOOOOOO, LOOK AT IT, LOOK AT HOW MUCH OF A MONSTER YOU ARE!!!1Meanwhile indies like Beholder, This War of Mine or even Papers Please present you with choices that seemingly make it impossible to progress without selling out, being corrupt, being a piece of shit. You get far, but then have to ask yourself - at what cost? Could I have done something to help these people and not be a cunt? And most of the time yes, there were options, you might not find them on your first playthrough, but that's what makes it memorable.Instead of, you know, getting beaten over the head with the message "DO YOU GET IT YET?"
>>731624434>Sometimes I genuinely wonder if people who get angry at the game for not letting them not shoot the white phosphorus also get angry when they watch a movie and And characters looks at the camera and say viewers are bad people for watching this movie" and then the director comes out and tells everyone "you should've just walked out of the theater, looool, no refunds btw".Disingenuous faggot.
>>731624495>please ignore that, the writter confirming that was the message of the game and everything sorrounding it telling you you are a meanie for killing in game since that was messagepeak retardation anon, i bet your grandpa is your own father
>>731624717>don't follow orders>get shot immediately>follow orders>possibly get shot if you lose
>>731625436Makes sense with a board of mostly friendless losers like this one
>>731625982>And characters looks at the camera and say viewers are bad people for watching this movie" and then the director comes out and tells everyone "you should've just walked out of the theater, looool, no refunds btw".There is an actual movie like thisThe director explicitly said that he hates horror movies and he hates people that watch horror movies so he made this to spite them
>>731624434If it was free and therefore they did not take your money when you say no I will not continue playing this game then it's fair critique.
>>731626036>frag your CO and defectThere are always options if you don't think your commanders are doing the right thing
>>731624649>Playing chess is an insult to victims of real wars and you should feel ashamed!
>>731624649yep. Time to go to Venezuela with universal petroleum
>>731625871>Retard fell for the succubus I forgot how low IQ this place is
>>731625982Reminds me of the show (you), not only did it go obnoxiously woke but it ends with the MC looking at the camera and chastising the audience for even enjoying watching the show. That's what I get for wanting to finish what I started I guess
>>731626312You did not play the game
>>731626061never heard of itmaybe movie fans are higher IQ than gamers and don't engage with this kind of shit
>>731626061it was made an austrian, and austrian artist are well-known for their insecurity of extreme levels. go to any austrian art exhibit, and you will find nothing but endless """ironic""" trash.
>>731625683Stop spamming not!Danganronpa gaijinslop.
>>731625962ThisSpec Ops should be forgotten for the trash it is and games that do what it wanted to do right and better should be remembered and discussed
>>731624835based, I was about to tell that anon the same
>>731626374>maybe movie fans are higher IQ than gamers and don't engage with this kind of shitMaybe you're just a massive mongoloid.https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119167/ (95k ratings)https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0808279/ (110k ratings)https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/1083791-funny_games (40 reviews)https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/1175174-funny_games (145 reviews)
>>731626405>not!Danganronpa gaijinslopThis game is actually just made by Japs anon.
>>731624019Imagine being so low IQ that you don't get itIt's not even that hard to get it
>>731626789>xe doesn't understand the etimology of goyslopGoyslop is not made by goyim.
>>731626890It's not even made for gaijin anon, the game bombed outside of Asia.
>>731626374>>731626717https://letterboxd.com/film/funny-games/ (338,248 ratings)https://letterboxd.com/film/funny-games-2007/ (167,587 ratings)
>>731626890>Goyslop is not made by goyim.Japs are goyim
>>731625436>This would imply anyone actually played>This would imply anyone actually watched>This would imply anyone actually readI know where I am.
>>731626061But I want people to suffer.
>>731627105>"Missed the point" award
>>731624019WHITE KORRA IS FOR B B C
>>731624434thanks doc
>>731624019Wtf this time the comic is actually right?
>>731625436On 4chan it would be expected, at least back in the day with a gun in the game being designed by /k/.
>>731624434Idiots self-insert as the characters in games because it's their only way to escape their disgustingly mediocre lives and lack of any achievements except on Steam or Retro Transimulator.
>>731624681You don't have any input on a movie outside of choosing to watch it though. Unless its one of those weird choose your own adventure book style movies.
Good for them,I bet they came up with something better
>>731624698>nation buildingNot sure why taking potshots at goatfuckers counts as "nation building"
>>731625962>The game's message might be correct but it's a linear story game where you can't not do war crimesThe game isn't about war retard, you unironically do no war crimes in Spec ops, also the game isn't about you either, it's about Walker
>>731626061>he hates horror movies and he hates people that watch horror movies so he made this to spite themWell he did a good job of that, it genuinely pissed me off the first and only time I watched it. Leave it to an autistic retard who doesn't understand the concept of thrill to make a movie that spits in your face for expecting the plot to be consistent.
>wk in OP>0 white korras posted itt4chan delenda est
>>731626369>>731625871Both of them are using you.
>>731624301>it's completely impossible for a choice in a game to feel morally significant unless you actually have the option to pick something else.You mean like when you're ordered to execute men who are strung up, but you can actually just shoot the ropes to set them free, but everyone was too stupid to think of doing that so they blamed the game for supposedly having zero choices?
Nice try white korra.
>>731625125and how many of them died in gulags, in the final stages of the war (stalingrad basically culled them because hitler was retarded).
>>731627585Uoh!There isn't nearly enough loli Erin art out there.
spec ops was dumb
14 years later and it still ragebaits anons. Man I love this game.
>>731628120Are there any actual choices in the game?
>>731624078what does this mean?t. newfag
>>731628120Why couldn’t they just have said something like ‘well, we had a story we wanted to tell and a message we wanted to convey but limited time and budget in which to do it so ludonarrative compromises had to be made, please understand.’ instead of sounding like a massive fart huffing douchebag?
there is no difference between spec ops the line and Funny Games
>>731628706"I want to fuck white Korra"
>>731624681Michael Haneke’s Funny Games ('97 & '02) does this.
>>731624434The problem is that the game addresses and blames the player. A movie doesn't do that, it addresses the character.
>>731628975no it doesn't
>>731628635Yeah, play the game’s extremely linear narrative and commit the atrocities or switch it off. These were literally what the writers told people who purchased the game to do.
>>731625962It's linear because it's not a commentary on war crimes in general but on the 7th gen shooters that were everywhere when it released. It's a commentary on how in something like Call of Duty you also don't get the "don't do war crimes" option either. I don't even really like the game but so much of the commentary around it these days feels like it comes from people who played it years later outside of that context.
>>731629009
>no white korra sexo itt4chan has fallen
>>731628635Yes. There's the ending selection and there's that bit where you can either shoot into a crowd of civvies or not do that.
>>731624019White Korra ANAL
>>731629019>buy our product and actually experience it or buy our product and just gives us money for nothing ;) your choice
I'm not sure how so many people miss the point of spec ops regardless of if you agree or not. The game isn't "war crimes bad," everyone already knows that. The game is "videogames based on real people who are currently still suffering from the events depicted bad;" the developers are indeed pointing to the player (this much is obvious) and saying "you just purchased this game knowing you were about to shoot a bunch of simulated brown people in a real country for your own entertainment." This is why the solution is "turn off the game" and not "don't shoot the phosphorus," because in either case you are still choosing to play a video game where you play savior over people whose country has been occupied by your own nation's troops. Regardless of if you agree with the moral premises that is very clearly the message of the game.
>>731625982>And characters looks at the camera and say viewers are bad people for watching this moviePlease provide an example of that happening in-game. The only example provided so far is the loading screen message, which appears outside of gameplay events.
>>731629009even if you disagree with how the game does it, both writers have directly talked shit about (You) numerous times when discussing the game's themes in interviews>Like I was saying, we wanted the loading screens to feel like it wasn't just an attack on Walker in the game, but specifically designed to attack the player. We wanted the choice for the player to fall in line with the same thing. If the player wants to stop this journey they can stop playing the game.https://web.archive.org/web/20160604021444/http://www.1up.com/features/horror-mysteries-spec-ops-the-line?pager.offset=1
>>731627601I mean murdering Iranians until they complied seemed to work great for Islam.
You know this game gives you enough cinematic moments that you can low iq not care about the messagethe game is not calling you bad it's just commenting that all those video games where you kill thousands of people for no reason are kinda messed up
>>731626061>remake trash
>>731629395>you just purchased this game knowing you were about to shoot a bunch of simulated brown people in a real country for your own entertainmentIronically I purchased the game because everyone said it had a good and deep story and then I gave up playing it because the gameplay was so dull
>>731630169All cases I've personally seen or heard are people buying it due to hearing it was good/deep/masterpiece/etc
>>731624075earthbound halloween hack
>>731625153Disguise evilness as righteousness and they will do anything
>>731629493no the devs said they literally wanted to call the PLAYER bad for playing and enjoying the game. This is objective fact.
>>731625632More fun but overall less practical. Lightning is a great room clearer and Choke has spot usage against the flying guys, but heal and the two shields are just far and away the strongest powers.
>>731628635There's four, if I remember correctly. Two of them are presented very obviously, but two are not.
>>731625871>>731627648Women are shit.Rekindling with your father and ruling over the world is kinohttps://youtu.be/ojALBywSqjA?t=45
>>731630169Yeah I mean like a lot of shock value art it loses it's shocking aspect when everyone knows it's supposed to shock them already lol
>>731630540Well they can't. You can't criticize the player unless it's a stat screen of their death count
>>731625962Hotline Miami did a way better job of tackling the concept of chastising players for enjoying violent virtual acts, and it released in the same year.
>>731625153You can't force them to be evil, you basically just have to give them a choice of what to do but make it so if they don't think critically about what they're doing they're likely to pick the more fucked up option. It's hard to do, you don't want to try and rugpull them by giving them no indication at all that the straightforward solution is sus, but you can't signpost it really hard either.But I guess as an example in a fantasy game you could give the player a quest to go clear out a camp of monsters like goblins or kobolds, and they'd need to really go out of their way to learn more about the situation and conclude maybe massacring an entire tribe of primitive people isn't an entirely squeaky-clean idea even if they are monsters and have been raiding people and aren't blameless either. Kinda like the Khans in New Vegas.
>>731624649I like that your argument falls on this game being written for literal children so we shouldn't expect much.
>>731631971what can I say, it's a video game
>>731631971It was written for gamers so that's a fair point to make
>>731631682You just reminded me that Fallout 4 has a quest where the antagonist is literally, unequivocally, 100% in the rightBut he's such a cunt to you and you have to dig through so many easter eggs to find out what his deal is and how to negotiate peacefully with him that virtually nobody ever will, they'll kill his ass and feel good about it afterwardsAnd he's being such a cunt to you because he believes, with very good reason, that you're the monstrous villain lol
wtf post more white korra you FOOLS
>>731632232>Nuka Worldyes, the xpac about being the bad guy. You're literally there to grab land for raiders.
>>731624078Lmao same
>>731633273Aside from just betraying the raiders, you still get easy opportunities to do nice things like helping the raised by apes guy and playing along with the cowboy robot's LARPIt's only the ghoul magician that intentionally conceals from you how right he is and how wrong you are
>>731628247It ragebaits because to this day it gets glazed by critics and essayists, snowballing into other developers doing the same to chase the clout.Games like Spec Ops helped build our horrible current entertainment landscape
>>731629434Are you autistic?
>>731633483>Games like Spec Ops helped build our horrible current entertainment landscapeGames like Specs Ops fucking bombed on released and had no real impact on the gaming landscape, even worse it's CoD who sucks all the attention with the No Russian mission
>>731633775>Citizen Kane wasn't influential because it bombed at the box officeSpec Ops influence isn't by popularity, it's by critical success. Devs watch/read those essays, get embarrassed into conforming to their standards and replicate it chasing the accolades.Executives are only half the reason shit sucks now, the current creative zeitgeist fucking sucks with how full of itself it is.
>>731634193>and replicate itReplicate what? There are no games like Specs Ops outside of indie part of this landscape (which even then it's really rare), even the developers didn't even bother to attempt to replicate the game and went back to making unremarkable games
>>731634604>Replicate what?The overall idea of deconstruction of established entertainment tropes.I'll be fair to you it's not as strong in gaming except for the portrayal of women, but shit like film and TV got hit really hard by this.
>>731634775The deconstruction era was already in full swing at that point, if anything the game chased the trend.
>>731624434>>731624434>>731624019>>731624019This video explains the behaviour. No reason for a thread on this. (Stupid people tend to think everything they don't understand is stupid)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjJdcXA1KH8
>>731635046Be honest: Korra or White Korra?
>>731634957Never said it was the first. You even had books like Dune doing it all the way back.It's still is a clear representation of what was going on and deserves to be shat on in retaliation.
>>731635131No tail, no ring.
>>731634775>Specs Ops invented deconstructtionEven if that was true, there were tons of other "deconstructive" games like Lisa, Braids, Hotline Miami, etc that were praised by critics and more importantly, were an economic success
>>731624019Spec Ops The line was such a fucking faggot game it made me agree with a liberal whore
>>731624078I want to fuck white Korra
>>731635367Read >>731635148
