https://youtube.com/watch?v=kbDIghhhWz4
either pay me to watch your video or fuck off
>Why does Expedition 33's success angers E33Saars...
they like it cause it isnt japanese (japan is weird)
>>731967203It doesn't
>>731967203>watching not Markiplier having the shittiest tastes in RPGs>says they love the genre>can't enjoy 90% of what there is to offerExpedition 33 really did create the worst fans.
>>731967203Japan hasn't had a hit in YEARS
because they think everyone should like outdated anime japslop like final fantasy and chrono trigger instead of good games
>>731967386They like it because JRPG means FF7R, Persona and Xenoblade. Only the profoundly mentally ill don't find those repulsive.
https://www.reddit.com/r/JRPG/comments/1mfvxew/why_does_this_sub_hate_clair_obscur/
>>731967203While I agree with him, Ive been seeing this asshole blowing up in the algo lately and its none stop dick sucking of the highest caliber of old games like Final Fantasy 7.So everybody, meet your new PirateSoftware, except its with RPGS.
https://www.reddit.com/r/JRPG/comments/1kls8ut/i_feel_like_the_internet_is_gaslighting_me_clair/
>>731967715i remember him saying that FF7 doesn't have an anime artstyle
>>731967203Probably because people say it's saving the genre and better than JRPGs despite it just seeming like a JRPG with Western style art.
>>731967203This guy and Josh strife seriously suck
>>731967816Technically it doesn't.Its just his art style at the time was anime because its all he was used too, so it influenced him a great deal.This is Cloud now in his art style, it still retains some things but they do try and do serious looks.Anime weeb shit is what Grandia was.
>>731967203Funnily enough e33 was made by jrpg fans / weebs
kill yourself, you fucking E33 shill.KILL YOURSELF.
https://www.reddit.com/r/JRPG/comments/1qjzff2/do_you_consider_expedition_33_to_be_the_new_gold/
It doesn't make me angry but it is funny to see the normalfags who were constantly talking shit about JRPGs they've never played try a bog standard, if a very good example of bog standard, JRPG but with french girls and QTEs and fucking lose their minds over how good it is. Like, shit dude, you're going to need a change of underpants when you realize there's an entire genre full of games like this.
https://www.reddit.com/r/JRPG/comments/1onfhr4/expedition_33_gets_a_lot_of_praise_from_big_names/
I played Metaphor recently and felt like it was inferior in most ways to E33, especially in Story and characters.The whole "E33 fans don't play JRPGs" idea does have some truth to it, but ironically, they're right about it being better than most.
>non japanese people make a Souls game>.........>non japanese people make an FFX-like game>WTF I HATE THISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSI think people are just baffled and upset that a TURNBASED game won GOTY. Like it's too silly and too boomer-y.
https://www.reddit.com/r/JRPG/comments/1kmuj2b/the_praise_towards_expedition_33_just_because_its/
>>731967203Because people that keep promoting it and talking it up are annoying and have never played a traditional turn based JRPG beyond FF, Persona, and DQ.
>>731968048That tracks, the French are huge weebs.
>>731967709>>731967785>>731968095>>731968320It certainly triggers that sub, kek
https://www.reddit.com/r/JRPG/comments/1n2tpsv/just_finished_expedition_33_yesterday_and_am/
>>731967203>wrpgfag astroturfs his own thread#4234234
>>731968605>I think people are just baffled and upset that a TURNBASED game won GOTYThis already happened just over two years ago.
https://www.reddit.com/r/JRPG/comments/1k9e3n6/some_people_are_autoexposing_themselves_with_the/
>>731968605But Baldur's Gate 3 won in 2023.
No one gives a shit about what faggots on Reddit are doing, fuck off. Directly linking to Reddit should be an insta-ban
i want to put a hit on this guy, such an annoying mystery meat faggot
>>731968808>>731968773you could like move around the map in battle though
>>731968923Ah, so you mean that people were baffled that an (x) niggas in a row game won.
>>731967591When I hear them say Persona 5 is the best JRPG of all time, it actually makes me feels good to see E33 get praised just to trigger them, kek.
https://www.reddit.com/r/JRPG/comments/1p0e4ac/clair_obscur_expedition_33_has_brought_out_some/
>>731967203They seethe because E33 sucks and it has made them realize Final Fantasy sucks even more.
>>731967203Bugmen have no souls and don't understand things with sovl
E33 is the only JRPG you really need to play. The rest fall like so many other anime-inspired games - they go over the top on stupid shit anime shit that you can't take it seriously anymore. The fact the silliness of E33 has an actual explanation to it (verso being young when he created this world) does a lot in gaining forgiveness and even favor than the typical loli weeb shit you see with a dumbass orange dog with a hair style to him.
>>731967203Is it the active and involved "turn-based" combat?I took a guess.
>>731967203You know what? I say the exact same thing about Golden Sun. It's a thoroughly mediocre JRPG that nintendo-only kiddies seem to universally love. Every Nintendo generation from the SNES until the Switch was JRPG starved because Sony platforms were the first choice for JRPG devs.
https://www.reddit.com/r/JRPG/comments/1kogocl/im_65_and_clair_obscur_expedition_33_might_be_one/
>>731969131In short - most JRPGs are indulgent shit, filled to the brim with platitudes and tropes that they can't help themselves putting in, I don't know why, market expectations? In any regard, the gaming scene needs to change more in the French's favor.
>>731968790People forgot about this
>>731969273>the gaming scene needs to change more in the French's favorHow do you mean, anon?
japanese storytelling sucksjrpgs take 20 hours to start and another 20 hours until their systems start working as intended before you can even decide if the game is good or not
https://www.reddit.com/r/JRPG/comments/1kebrf8/expedition_33_is_not_for_me/
>>731969218tbf as far as I've seen most people who like Golden Sun still admit it's pretty mediocre and bogged down with some of the most egregious textdumps in RPG historythe constant pauses for reactions especiallycan't say I ever really see many people proclaiming Golden Sun to have been an RPG turning point or anywhere near the level of nepoblowjobs E33 has received, not even close so I dunno if it's an apt comparison my dudeyou can love mediocre or shit games, I love Quest 64 but ain't no defending it
>>731968923play more JRPGs
>some french dude that likes jrpgs makes his own after being inspired by Sakaguchi and FF>this is bad somehowI feel like people should be more happy, I mean people don't seem to care about the modern FF games, yet they bash E33. Also shouldn't they be happy some french guy won and not an american?
>>731969460those seething have grown to enjoy eating shit and the success of E33 threatens their shit eating since now the standards have gone up
>>731967203E33 is the pinnacle of normalfag slop. These fags have never played another JRPG and are filtered by even the most boilerplate anime-isms in a genre they supposedly love. The definition of tourists. There is honestly more overlap with the Soulsfags in the E33 fanbase than the average JRPG player
>>731968985Yeah that's what I meant. It's also what SquareEnix was moving away from when it comes to mainline FFs.
>>731969318People cannot forget what they haven't played, which is why all the E33 glaze makes these people glow brighter than the nigs in Washington.
>>731969218Yep, same for Undertale and Earthbound.
>>731969525the JRPGs i enjoy are too spicy for the average JRPG player so they fail financially.I 100% support E33 steamrolling the genre
>>731969514Companies like Atlus will still produce the same old anime styled Persona games on the same budget. They don't care about being GOTY, they already got enough customers. Companies like SquareEnix over compensate when it comes to making an AAA game and now their business plan is unsustainable due to rising costs.
>>731969439Vagrant Story is just fantasy Parasite Eve.
>>731967203i liked "people only like e33 because its qualityslop."
>>731967203Stopped watching and closed the window when he said Dark Souls III is one of the best games of all time. What a fucking retard.
>>731969658I mean, LTB has never once made CyberConnect any money. They do it for love of the game between plunges into Bamco's licensed anime fighter mines.
>>731969668Still turn based and still a JRPG.
>>731969525I've played Final Fantasy and Metaphor Refantazio and it's utter tripe shit. Metaphor was so bad I quit because of the story alone for a bit, went back, then quit again. It's legit awful. Quickly, what is one JRPG that you wouldn't be embarrassed showing to your non-gamer friends and family?
>>731967203only reason im bothered, is because i was tricked into buying it. granted it was on sale for $30 as i waited half a year, and saw ppl were still praising it.but a hallway game.enemies are HP sponges.press parry to ignore all boss mechanics.1st 25% of the story is the most interesting part (and thrown away)then its gestrals for another 25%then its filler for 25% (they cant progress the plot, because the plot is only 1 thing, and thats not telling u the "twist". which isnt much of one at all.)then you know what the twist is, and then its just over.so... no adventure/plot.just the same thing over and over.repeating the same minigame (platforming) doesnt mean it has nice variation, its just rep[eating limited ideas.(i know ppl will disagree with me on the next part, but like how mast fantasy games just spam use atmospheric "EPIC MUSC"? thats how i feel about "FRENCH NOISES" being the "songs". it just feels generic. its "unique" because other games havent done it, but its not even that good at what its doing. but ill at least give them credit that its unique, and thats definitely a good thing, even if it feels half hearted to me.)its ok to be mid, but i was annoyed i was tricked.
Play better turn-based JRPGs.
>>731969812That one was silly.
>>731969437>can't say I ever really see many people proclaiming Golden Sun to have been an RPG turning point or anywhere near the level of nepoblowjobs E33 has received, not even close so I dunno if it's an apt comparison my dudeGolden Sun is never mentioned in a vacuum, it's usually paired with Tales of Symphonia and the Skies of Arcadia port for gamecube. Don't get me wrong, these are good games, certainly much better than Golden Sun, but they're overhyped by Nintendo loyalists who missed out on the console JRPG golden age of the PS1 and PS2.
>>731969812no u
has any big name author or storyteller commented on E33, or is it just anime and video game players praising its high artistic merits
>>731970105joseph anderson seemed to like it
>>731967203>people use e33 to shit on square enix (enemy of JRPGs)>uneducated retard thinks this means JRPG fans hate e33no, you fucking retard, JRPG fans are the ones laughing about how e33 dunks on Squeenix.
>>731969752>Quickly, what is one JRPG that you wouldn't be embarrassed showing to your non-gamer friends and family?Why the fuck would I possibly care about that? People like them are immediately filtered by the anime artstyle alone.
>>731970105Games in general don't get respect. Also it doesn't help with the shitty live adaptations to movies like Last of Us.E33 shouldn't get a movie deal. I can already see Pedro Pascal being cast for Verso. What an abomination waiting to happen.
>>731967203it's less people hate the game itself as much as their fans and most likely Geoff for piling up awards for it and propping it up like teh best gaem evar in the TGAs. stinks of corporate PR favoritsm like how Split Fiction managed to somehow gain waves despite nobody giving a fuck after a month
>>731967203that game only angers tourists
>reddit threadKill yourself.
>Even grannies that had never played games before have managed to enjoy itOwari da, JRPG bros
>>731969752>anon outright admits he only cares about games that his mom would approve ofhow cucked can you be bro?
>>731967203Cause no one is making jrpgs anymore.
>>731970215Because you play stupid shit that's embarrassing. E33 is the closest thing we got in a JRPG that "tourists" can resonate with in a serious manner. Go and look at reactions on youtube. No reason to be offended by it. E33 is good and it's gaining widespread acclaim because it's good and not retarded shit for babies.
>>731970280Japan is very much still making RPGs.
>>731970273Can't think of a single one though, lol. So much for "muh deep JRPG, so serious"
>>731967203I envy the confidence of anyone who puts himself in the thumbnail. They just ignore the fact that no one wants to see their ugly mug.
>>731970301
Japs hate it because it singlehandedly destroyed their entire genre. Pajeets hate it because they're just too brown to understand the game.
>>731969659Faglus got bought out by sega and now they give every penny they make to them.
I quit BG3 halfway through the 1st act. Characters didn't resonate with me.
>>731970427for >>731970393
>>731969741JRPGtards not buying solatorobo is why we don't currently have a AA sequel with real graphics and controls on a real system.And then they cry when a good game like E33 comes out, animefags disgust me
>>731970409I got an idea.Stop making 100 hour long JRPGS where 60 hours of the game is you taking your friends out for ice cream and having to listen to them cry about getting a bad grade at school.I got shit to do in real life and I wanna just see how this lame ass game ends where a bunch of teenagers kill god for the 800th time.Anymore I just google all rpg cutscenes, fuck this shit.
>Copies western slop and corrupts long running JRPG franchise for money>Sells poorly, game considered a failure>French artists proceed to give Final Fantasy fans what they've been asking for decades>Game is a best selling hit, becomes one of the most awarded games of all time and Final Fantasy fans love itWhat is he thinking right now?
>>731970301It looks like visual vomit and sounds just as gay and french. Even its story and themes are hackneyed and cliche. And no, timing your attacks/parries and customizing your parties abilities isn't groundbreaking turnbased RPG gameplay; shit has been done already, but ignorant neophytes and jerk-off journalists wouldn't know any better.
>>731967203The funniest part is that the JRPGfags who hate E33 for being people's favorite because it was their first also only like their own favorite JRPG because it was their first (FF7fags, FF10fags, P3fags, P4fags, P5fags, and that's it, that's every JRPGfag)
>>731970505>best selling hitIt moved like what? 2 million...3 million copies?
>>731970493FF needs to stop with useless cutscenes. SE says it's to flesh out the characters, but if we can have actual films and movies with multiple characters still being fleshed out in under 2 hours, then we don't need 40 hour FF games where 20 of it is just cutscenes.
>>7319706536-7 now
>>73196749890% of the genre is pure schlock.
>>731967785i dont take that person's opinion seriously. environment wasnt ugly, navigation was fine, the story and its twists was interesting to me. im surprised their criticism of the gameplay was so simplistic, because there is a lot wrong with the gameplay. only barely touched on how each character has some sort of unique gameplay loop that often doesn't synergize with their teammates and weapons.... which largely doesnt matter anywhere in the game other than Simon. a bunch of underutilized halfassed systems that have no utility outside of 1 optional bossfight.
>>731970301I hope Sandfall's next game has an anime artstyle like their favorite games just so it filters out style over substance fake fans like you.
>>731970472jrpgturds just want their anime cliche shit like beach/onsen episodes and 16 year old teen heroes and grizzly old 25-29 year old veterans - together with the power of friendship they defeat the comically evil villain that is in fact a very ancient evil being
>>731970596People who were critical of the game as they played it were engaging in the finale and even had debates on it. Sorry but it just feels like you're butthurt. You can say things are cliche but that's a cop-out. Everything has been done but it's about the experience, the small details as well as the large, and the gravitas and atmosphere. The music alone deserves it Goty.I don't want to accuse people of not having souls and being emotionally stunted but you need to just let go of your narcissism and just enjoy a masterpiece.
>>731970743lol, and how's SE's blunder of a FFVII remake compairing?
>>731970823Just call him brown because that's what he is.
>>731967203Buy an ad you fucking inbred fugloid.
>>731970803That is literally Fuga but it's clearly the reason why they designed it like that, it's the best selling LTB game because it has the generic tropes
>>731970823>let go of your narcissism and just enjoy a masterpieceyou are trying too hard dude. Just let go of whatever chip you got on your shoulder or your love for some mediocre game that is blinding you to the fact that not everyone has your tastes and interests. People can like different things for different reasons. Also, stop typing like a redditor.
>>731967203I've just been ignoring the game, assuming it'll blow over like most of the other western RPGs that people gas up. I just don't care about games that pretend to be Japanese while removing all the stuff that makes them Japanese. Remember Sea of Stars? Most people don't. But when it came out it was hyped up as being better than Chrono Trigger. JRPGs are a very nerdy genre for otaku geeks that like anime girls in silly costumes, and making numbers go up. But they've always had a certain appeal that makes some mainstream players attracted to them, which has resulted in this tug of war between the target audience that likes their weirder quirks, and a broader audience that wants them to be more "normal". So whenever a non-Japanese studio makes a game inspired by JRPGs, they massively overrate it and hype it up like crazy. I've managed to avoid seeing any extensive footage of this game, and typically tune out and scroll past discussion of it because I have a gut feeling it's not made for me.
>>731970386Unfortunately it's true. Probably why Souls have been doing great for almost two decades, little to no anime crap.
>>731970803for a second i thought i was back in 2010 while reading this dogshit post
>>731967203People only liked it because of the story. It could've been a movie or a TV series, and people would've liked it even more.
Play better JRPGs.
>>731970959No, I actually enjoy the game. This was from someone who didn't even play it for a long while and thought it was over-hyped. I was blown away by the emotional range and the VA performance especially, and the music. It was legit amazing and a gem. Sorry that you have "differing tastes" but some things are just objective. Godfather being one of the best movies of all time. Lord of the Rings being the best trilogy, etc.
>>731970979>games that pretend to be JapaneseExcept E33 doesn't even attempt that. Not sure why people think JRPGs have anything to do with otakus and their disgusting fetishes.
>>731971078that's just false, the most liked part about it is the OST
>>731971084
>>731971170Can't argue against Godfather or Lord of the Rings being good, I know, because you literally can't. Quality is objective. Your personal taste isn't. I wonder which is correct?
>>731971162I'm sorry to break it to you, but JRPGs are made by otaku with disgusting fetishes.
>>731971167No one plays games for the soundtrack.
>>731969318Lost Odyssey had so much potential, but Gongora was such a shitty dork of an antagonist that it almost felt like the whole thing was a waste of time
crazy how what held japanese rpgs back for almost 30 years was japan itself
>>731971225
>>731971297E33 is nothing like a JRPG.
>>731971385You're right, not enough lolis.
>>731969131>>731969273just be honest. the anime artstyle filters normalfags. they want their "J"RPG to resemble a netflix show.
>>731971310Undertale and Nier Slopmata exist
Every great JRPG story is constantly held back by being one of the shittiest JRPGs I've ever played, every mechanically great JRPG is constantly held back by having one of the most retarded stories I've ever experienced.Expedition33 isnt necessarily impeccable in its design, but it is novel, enjoyable, and the story is also good. I still prefer DQ11 but that games story doesn't deserve any awards, it's just cozy and not awful
>>731970979>But they've always had a certain appeal that makes some mainstream players attracted to themNo, it was all marketing smoke and mirrors. Square forced JRPGs as a "prestige genre" sometime around late SNES and PS1 era by focusing on making movie games with mildly experimental JRPG mechanics haphazardly bolted on. They had coordinated marketing efforts to make sure that you knew JRPGs were the upper crust of gaming when in actuality they were mostly sludge, hence why the ACTUAL experimental or interesting games like Tales of, Star Ocean, SaGa, Atelier, Wild Arms, and countless others simply remained in the meh 6/10 zone where all JRPGs belonged anyway.
>>731971417Nah, if this was the case Frieren wouldn't have taken off. It actually just is that JRPGs present themselves horribly for the most part.
>>731971417I don't mind the anime artstyle, but I do mind characters so generic that there's nothing unique about them.
>>731971483I can assure you that most people who like E33 don't like anime slop.
>>731971483or its that e33 does many things exceptionally well to the point where people who arent superfans of the genre will still play it and anime jrpgs are still okay for jrpg fans
>not playing E33 is like not watching The Matrix, Lord of the Rings, or Star WarsI've never watched any of those movies, so I guess I'm never playing this game.
>>731971552But that's why Frieren gained such popularity is that it was not supposed to be following the typical anime tropes. It does and it doesn't. I wasn't happy with it after a few episodes and I quit watching. But apparently it breached more into the mainstream and people like it, at least for the characters.
>>731969514>standards have gone up>it was all a dream story with cheap melodrama and no stakes>cheap UE5 store assets>corridor railroaded areas with no cohesion behind the designs of it or enemies>Usual UE5 issues like stutter, massive hair artifacts and unremovable blue>oversized bobblehead designs for character>combat is just persona UI with a parry button>shadowhearts/koudelka did the grimdark euro setting 2 decades agoare you fags really just unaware of how retarded you are and how accurate shit like>>731968790 is just with ff7->p5->E33
E33 appeals to normies, which is why it has a lot of fans that think it revived a "genre" that was never dead.
>>731968048The game is good despite their shit taste.
>>731971483Frieren isn't a video game, and it's still not more popular than the most popular live action shows on Netflix.. in the gaming sphere plentyt of normalfags will not look at anything that resembles anime. even the guy in the video put it perfectly. Games like Persona aren't "mainstream" the way a game with realistic graphics can be. its just very popular within it's niche.
>>731967203go post on your eceleb board
>>731971816>a "genre" that was never deadIt was kept "alive" by low budget chibi slop with mobile animations while having only one notable release every 3 years.
>>731971457I guess it makes more sense to look at it that way. Square built up their own JRPG empire that served as a gateway to everything else. But the moment you leave their ecosystem you're met with a lot of very weird games that will leave you chasing the ghost of what you were fed by Square. I'm imagining a person that played FFVII jumping into an Atelier Arland game or Disgaea and being flashbanged by the more overwhelming mechanics, all with fanservice thrown on top.I see two main paths for a JRPG guy. You either graduate into the weird stuff, or you scavenge for more "normal" games like Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest.
>>731971832Persona 5 isnt mainstream not for its anime aesthetic, but because everything about it is fucking gay looking. Remember when people said squall and cloud looked like girls? Look at Joker.....were beyond the pale, things aren't just anime/anime adjacent, they're straight up faggot shit. You've got the MC to SMTV being a boy that looks like an actual woman. Look at metaphor, we have a cast of generic faggot looking characters. Look at shit like jujutsu kaisen, Animecoded JRPGs don't have characters like that, they have faggoty girlboys overexplaining their faggoty feelings, nobody wants that except the most extreme weeaboos, and fat women.
>>731971935>every 3 yearslmao
>>731969752nigga try telling anyone what website you post in
It angers the people who are angry at everything.It angers indie devs who now know what you can do with talent and hard work
>>731971832It's irrelevant if it's a video game vs an anime. Plus the barrier to entry to try to convince a non-gamer to play the game for the story alone already sets it apart.I can make the argument that Frieren would be even less popular as a live action because it wouldn't translate well and would be more goofy. When you say that people prefer live action more is squarely the fault of Anime and video games. They need to make better material if they want normies to engage.Spirited Away is well respected in the field of cinema. As is a game like E33 should be in the field of art and I guess is going to be made into a movie.
>>731971385Next you're going to tell me Dark Souls isn't a JRPG
>>731967203>Why does Expedition 33's success angers JRPG fans so much?Because it's a terrible game getting visibly astroturfed
>>731967203E33 fans get so much shit because they can't praise their own game without simultaneously shitting on every other game in the genre. I like E33, but I also like Persona, Dragon Quest, Trails, and other JRPG series. But it really doesn't seem like there are a lot of people like me in these E33 threads because apparently every other JRPG is le bad
>>731971614Yeah, that's kind of the thing with Frieren-it skirts the line between formulaic and heartfelt just enough to appeal to anime veterans and normies alike. It’s not groundbreaking, but it has that subdued melancholy and slower pacing that makes it feel more “mature,” even when it absolutely leans on clichés. Its popularity doesn’t surprise me, but it definitely didn’t hook me either. I feel like it’s one of those shows you either binge because you’re already invested in the vibe, or bounce off of because you need something meatier.
>>731972282>Because it's a terrible game getting visibly astroturfedBut it's ok when it's FF7Refund, Metaphor Slopfantazio and Slopsona 5.
>>731972289>without simultaneously shitting on every other game in the genreThe genre should've had good games if it didn't want to be dunked on.
Persona 5 living rent free inside french schizos minds I see.
>>731970350I don't play games so that normalfags will think i'm "cool" little bro, i play them because i enjoy them, so your question is so fundamentally alien to me that i've never bothered giving any thought to the topic.
>>731972289There's tons of reasons and tropes. -Filler content goes on for too long-Painfully over-explaining shit-The developers already have a message and don't steelman the opposing side: it's the typical racism bad - power of friendship (no nuance)-Style over all-Wacky characters for the sake of levity but are dumb(someone dies and this stupid fucking gnome has a sad face in the background)-Main character is the most powerful ever with no faults who can do no wrong-No real emotions or character behind characters - something bad happens they say "that was bad!" no interesting perspective.That's a few off the top of my head
>>731972528name games with these because i have a feeling you've mostly played jrpgs from two developers in particular
>>731972464the french love P5 because it's inspired by Arsene Lupin
>>731972464the devteam loves jrpgs unlike a very annoying portion of their fans
What’s up with the anime style and culture hate on fucking 4chan of all places, has /v/ really gone to fucking shit over the last few years, or it’s just faggots being contrarians as always?
>>731973028loud minority
>>731969131>>731971084This is an overreaction to an overindulgent of nothing but anime and video games. It's obvious to anyone with a well rounded diet of mature books and other forms of art that anime games are ok to indulge in once in a while to relax. The constant need to put them down and want to terraform the jrpg landscape in the image of E33 is more telling that your first experience with non anime uwu's was so transcendental that you feel you have intellectual high ground to speak objectively about art, which is ALWAYS subjective. It is you that needs to open your mind and understand that E33 is a fine game, and if you want to call it a masterpiece whatever, but other people think it sucks and you just have to be ok with it. I really can't tell if you understand the concept of subjectivity or not.
>>731969273>filled to the brim with platitudesFOR THOSE WHO COME AFTER
>>731969273>>731969131I think you need to play a JRPG that isn't E33 because it had pretty much the exact same tone as any other good JRPG I've played. It shifts from fantastical whimsy to dumb slapstick to crushing despair to romance to heroic thrill, often within moments. The core of the story is driven more by the character drama and conflict of the party members with the overall plot/conflict mostly serving to hook into it and drive it along. It's literally just a good JRPG story with a presentation that doesn't make you feel insecure for whatever reason.
>>731972175you're missing the point. high production value looking realistic characters are inherently more popular with the average person than anime graphics even worse if it looks colorful and childish, especially if it's not serious or grim dark anime. That's just how it is.
>>7319730281: /v/ was never good2: It's an objective and measurable truth that anime is sludge. You know exactly what you're getting into the moment you see something with anime on the cover - tired, overused Japanese tropes, unfunny humor, repetitive and predictable writing. Some people are fooled by the aesthetics or the audio into thinking they're enjoying the sludge as they slurp it, but the moment you go to Western works, it becomes immediately evident how weak Japanese slush is from top to bottom. It's actually quite frustrating how Japanese writers, developers, showrunners, etc, are so adamant and unwilling to advance the craft like we have been doing constantly in the Western world.
>>731973235Yeah that's why Fortnite, Minecraft and Roblox are the most played vidya
>>731973132Don't get me started on subjectivity. Again. Quality is objective from a philosophical standpoint. There is a prime example of "Quality" that exists that people can strive for. Whether or not you engage with quality doesn't mean you get to then hand wave it away. I mean, you can, but that says more about you. You can like McDonald's as your favorite meal in the entire world, but a 5 star restaurant is simply, objectively, better.
>>731973186Ok name some. I recently tried Metaphor and quit. I tried BG3, quit (more for the combat) but the dialog and characters did irk me. Which should I pick up?
>>731967203because those who like JRPGs but not E33 realised that they don't actually like JRPGs but the anime tropes attached to them.
Just look at E33 and then look at some shit like pic.It's really no surprise that E33 is considered the new standard and the rest of the JRPG genre is seen as yesterday's shit news. Not saying that the current crop of JRPG devs need to copy E33 1-to-1, but it certainly wouldn't hurt in taking a lot of notes from the game if they actually want to reach an audience beyond Japs and friendless weebs.
>>731967445this. op is referring to a minuscule fraction of E33 fans. actual jrpgchads love the game.
>>731973520fatlus hands wrote this
>>731968710instead of reading that, i looked at the person who posted it. would you look at that, it's a fucking tendoid
>>731967203I don't care about e33, but everyone calling it an indie game just feels wrong and insulting to actual indie games like silksong
>>731973553What does Fatlus have to do with E33
>>731973520>shit eater drinks water for the first time
>>731973653>jrpgchads
Expedition 33 showed everybody what the genre could be with actual effort and talent put into it rather than an over reliance on tired anime tropes.It makes JRPGfags very uncomfortable to have to look at their old favorites of the genre and see how low quality those games actually are after seeing a studio actually do it right.
>>731970505It's insane how FF16's gameplay is just DMC and the game doesn't have party members. Did SE just run out of money?
>>731973662>cock sucker tastes pussy for the first timeoh wait that didn't happen because you can't peel your lips away from cock for 5 seconds
Literally every single person I talked to online that hated this game was brown. And usually only played gacha or moba slop
731973682This kind of copy-pasted rage bait is getting stale
>>731973692They hired the DMC combat director but scaled it back a few pegs from being just DMC
>>731973743i wholeheartedly believe this. i only talk to White people and i know 7 people who played the game and every one of them loved it
I think it mostly boils down to more casual jrpg enjoyers only really liking holding FF titles and being upset with how the series has gone over the past 20 something years. E33 is a callback to when those games were good. Also zoomies love parryslop.That's just my headcannon though
>>731967203>twatter screencap thread
>>731967203I only don't like the French parts of the game (because I hate French culture) but otherwise the game was pretty decent.
>>731970393I like both of these desu
>>731967203Japan loves E33
>>731973507Damn look at all that color instead of brown and grey
>>731969353Is this worth a shot in 2026
>>731973682There are effort and talent in key areas of E33 but most of the game is UE slop and purchased assets. It's wrong to create a monolith out of it and say it's what the genre could be. It's deeply flawed
>>731973935>but most of the game issource: it came to this shitskin in a fever dream
>>731973335this is like the 5th E33 thread I've seen where chuds try to logically prove the objectivity in art whereas normal people with real human emotions continue to call it mid
>play E33 and have a great time>think I'm finally understanding the appeal of JRPGs>try out pic since I've seen it posted on /v/ before and thought it looked cool and the girls are cute>its the most boring, sluggish shit I've ever tried to play in my life and all the characters are one note anime tropesHate E33 if you want, but it sure made the gameplay formula of the genre 1000x more fun than it was in the past. Blows my mind that people actually like this garbage.
>>731967203This dudes whole gimmick is saying FF7 Remakes are shit and he gained 100k subs basically over night. It's amazing how much people hate those games.
>>731973935>it's deeply flawed because, uh.... b-because, like, dude, I just PERSONALLY don't like it! GOD!!!
>>731973935You sound mad they used ai as well. Get over it. Everyone will be using the tools to create things easier and less-expensively.
Only people who are mad are Atlus fans that enjoy all the trash Atlus puts out. When FF died its slow death the culturally relevant rpg void was filled by Atlus and it's been dogshit mediocrity ever since. Retards who like Persona and Metaphor are naturally upset by something with golden era FF's spirit coursing through its veins.
>>731974025Just play paper mario stupid
>>731967498There aren't even fans of this shit, it's all ads.Lazy ads.
I haven't enjoyed an RPG since FFX.This really hit for me, hope the rest of these faggots take notice and make more
>>731973682>angsty teens for whom becoming mature adults equals death>not a reliance on tired anime tropes
>>73196858515 hours into metaphor was decent, but hard mode at least in this "early" stage is ridiculous in how every fight seems to have only one solution. never felt so restricted when playing e33
>>731967203The fans of the game are very annoying and extremely pretentious, that's all
>>731973682A reminder that shit like >>731965430 is considered the peak of the genre for jrpg fans.Who cares if they're uncomfortable, their opinions never should be taken seriously in the first place.
>>731974072>love E33>love Atlus>love Falcom>love SE it genuinely feels so good to just simply enjoy the jrpg video game genre and not be a miserable jaded piece of brown shit like half of nu/v/
>>731967203Because it's impossible to discuss JRPGs in peace since E33 release. Every JRPG-related thread will be immediately ruined by fags shilling E33.
>>731974421get used it being discussed alongside JRPG's in the foreseeable future because that's what it is.
>>731974331>Love shit>Get defensive about itSaying Atlus games are for retards with no standards isn't being miserable, it's just an objective fact. E33 tanks their entire output. That's where the ire comes from.
>>731974331Like a true fan of the genre. You should know that most of these posts are made by indians who don't even play these games to begin with. Their video game experience stops at youtube commentary and gacha
>>731974331E33 is the best one though. What compares?
>>731974558not him butChrono TriggerFF7SMT IVare all better
>>731974048He gave voice to the opressed. You can't criticize modern JRPG slop without being attacked by weaboos online. So he's BASED in my books.
>>731974671Chrono is overrated
>>731974671Chrono Trigger - Is ancient. While I could appreciate the story the fact that it is that old and not playing it when it came out would be detrimental. BG1/BG2 are my favorite RPGs of all time but playing them now I would acknowledge their limitations if brand new.FF7 - Same thing as above, unless you mean the new one?No idea what this one is.
>>731967203go shill this shit on reddit you ESL faggot
Yawn>not even top 5
>>731967203their butthurt is so tasty, lmao
>>731967984Yeah and Grandia was the best adventure you were getting on a PS1.
>>731967203>JRPGIt's not one tho
How do people who play JRPGs not get embarrassed when playing games in that genre? Even if I did play them, I would never publicly admit that shit.
>>731974837why do they have the same game on there 4 times?
>metacritic pays the billsyour dogshit company got bought out lol
>>731974837>Metaphor lmao. Do I really need to try persona and put all this to rest?
>>731974978It's so funny see you hiding behind E33, Larry. Probably you are the one falseflagging as an E33 fan who hates Atlus.
>>731974048He also said XVI is shit which is why I subbed.
>>731974771>No idea what this one is.Shin Megami Tensei IV. C'mon man.
>>731975148Expedition 33 fans can't beat the allegations lmao
>>731967498Just like every other contrarian faggot out there he glazes the unholy SHIT out of FFIX which is arguably the most forgettable FF out there aside from XVI at this point.
Last chance JRPG fans. Admit E33 is the best or I'll have to play your crown jewel myself...
>>731967203Only people who cares about normalfags' tastes.
>>731975148nta but you're talking like Shin Megami Tensei is a well known series.At most, people might have heard of it because Persona was a spinoff of it.
>mods allow people to just shill their channels for free now
>>731975075Anybody with a modicum of taste hates Atlus.
>>731974048nigga appeared out of nowhere on my shorts bitching about modern square and I instantly subbed
>>731975187Is your final weapon user scores as usual? I agree we should let gamers decide.
>>731975181>he glazes the unholy SHIT out of FFIXSo he's not a terminal contrarian. Guess I'll check his channel out.
>>731975247>toaster platform chooses toaster gameI'm shocked
>>731967203I don't dislike the game, I played it and thought it was a solid 8/10. I only hate the normalfag fanbase that acts like it's the only good RPG to exist in the last 30 years.
>>731975247>Steam awards>Where 70% of users can't even run E33 anyway>A 2D indie game wins user voteHeh
>>731975181>FFIX which is arguably the most forgettable FF out thereNot only are you a fag, you're a fag who's blatantly incorrect by ignoring games like FF2 and 3 which are self-evidently more forgetable.
>>731975287kek
>>731974025This is premium rage bait. There is not a retard on this planet that has this opinion about Skies.
>>731975181kys
>>731975148SMT is a literal who franchise in the gaming world anon lol
>>731975296They also like FFX, which was the last great rpg.
>>731975307Yeah, they can't run E33 but run Baldur's Gate 3 and Elden Ring.
i aibt clicking your dogshit vidliterally get new material already
>>731975345to normalfags maybe, I expect more from people who post here and claim to be JRPG fans
>>731975287>>731975307So we're just going to ignore that Steam awards being botted to fuck recently and the retards settling for trying to claim they won a user vote for best soundtrack in 2025, which should IMMEDIATELY pull up about a thousand red flags?
>>731975309Bitch all the Nintendo and Super Nintendo Final fantasies (aside from Mystic Quest) have had several remasters over the years and people love them.People fucking just fansqueal over Vivi for some reason probably because they see their autistic faggot asses as a self insert at that point.
>>731975354FFTA came after FFX and ironically E33 lifts its entire moral dilemma from that game too
>>731974025For me, it was trying out Persona after E33. Just couldn't get past all the anime shit and slow pace, dropped it.>>731975187I wouldn't recommend it. I was like 10 hours into P5 and I was still in the opening tutorial. Game moves like a glacier.
>>731975376these votes have to be shitposts right
>>731970251
>>731975309got damn vivi chill
>>731975517Best game won>I-IT MUST BE B-BAIT RIGHT?!?
>>731970493>Stop making 100 hour long JRPGS where 60 hours of the game is you taking your friends out for ice cream and having to listen to them cry about getting a bad grade at school.Nah, more games should have you eat ice cream with friends
Excrement 33 jeets won't ever recover.
>>731975473FFTA is pretty kino, but I wouldn't call it one of the greats.
>>731975560i was thinking more the most innovative gameplay and soundtrack categories
>>731967785>first criticism is that the world isn't realistic enoughwhat a fucking retard
>>731967785>linking reddit
>>731967203>Why does Expedition 33's success angers JRPG fans so much?I don't think it does.
>>731975282based. i quite literally don't see anyone who actually played FFIX and doesn't love it as human.
>>731975698I agree with Shartfield, but for all faults TLOU has, music certainly isn't one.
>>731975445>all the Nintendo and Super Nintendo Final fantasies>allFF2 is not loved or well remembered, but you should try and defend it, anyway, so I can have a good laugh.
>>731969318Being a 360 exclusive denied it its shot at glory. Also it wasn't that good. >>731969612This game straight up sucked lol. Cool concept for combat though, should have made a sequel.
>>731975510If it's interesting and well-written 10 hours isn't a problem. Personally I didn't think E33 got good until the 2nd Act
>>731975651>jeet has excrement on the mind big surprise
>>731975181Not really forgettable, FFIX is good, but it's fallen into that hip to call cool territory. Like how he'd say "the death of FF was 13" or others. Less of an opinion and more sheep following the herd because it's the easiest thing to do. Shows a lack of critical thinking.
>>731967203Expedition33 proves Square Enix was wrong and Kingdom Hearts is Fag and Gay
Why are e33 cultists so mentally ill?
>>731969812ooOOooOooooooOooOOOooooo
>>731975759TLOU only has one memorable tune, and it's the main guitar theme. I can't think of anything else.
>>731975792>he has to crop the line under it because Cory in the House is thereLMAO
>>731969318i didn't forget about it, i bought it on release and loved it. it makes me appreciate this man even more for having based taste
>>731967203pajeet game made with free unreal store assets
Anon, don't you know it's heckin racisterino to like E33? It means you're racist against the JRPG genre, you can't like E33!!!
>>731975858your comparison is journo scores. do you really want to go there, retard? post your arm, darkie
>>731967203Does anybody even actually like it? All the threads about it are just people trolling and posting memes about how jrpgs are all actually bad
>>731967203the success of the game is fine, it's mostly people liking E33 and using it to talk down to the rest of the genre despite it's many influences and the creator's love for it that irks me. it's supposed to be an on ramp for the genre for those who really liked the game, but instead people are treating E33 like it's the only one worth playing.
>>731975893>pajeets impotent attempts at convincing humans that a based White game was made by his kind tale as old as time
>>731975853true
>>731975898>here comes the faggot with the same pic to change the focus to Xenoblade 2E33cultists are truly pathetic, even more when they are losing any discussion.
>>731975983>even more when they are losing any discussionthis has never once happened due to the fact that E33GODS aka Whites never once stopped winning
>>731975320I didn't hate it but I think the game is way overhyped and the story was bare bones
>>731975935But I thought the Geoff Awards were amazing? Are you telling me that Silksong is really the GOTY?
>>731968293>when you realize there's an entire genre full of games like this.Sure, with terribly worse execution on all fronts. For an immediate example, go play Metaphor and suffer through that dog shit opening that lasts forever.
>>731975935>SAAR THE METACRITIC USERS ARE VERY REALS>PLEASE DO NOT ACKNOWLEDGE THE CORY SPECIFICALLY PUT THERE TO MOCK US FOR BOTTING METACRITIC
>>731975898>zoomer thinks that post is about race
>>731967203E33 is more cringe than the average jrpg because it takes its own bad writing so incredibly seriously and turns itself into embarassing melodrama
>>731975898>>731975983I would put money that this dumb retard likes Pokemon.
>>731967785I liked the game but agree with a lot of these points.>Navigating is not fun. No notable landmarks Fucking this. I stopped playing for a few days in the Stone Wave Cliffs and had to spend so much time trying to orient myself and figure out where I was supposed to go. Never seen anyone talk about this.>Sciel's card mechanic makes no senselmao never thought of that>Storywise is not interestingThe prologue is a blast. Lots of effort put into that first impression. A lot of games do this, which makes sense. I made the effort to try to follow the story, but it completely loses me at the 3rd Act because all the Dessendre family bullshit has to be so scattered and hidden for some reason.
>>731974048They are pretty bad to be fair.
>>731976086The only criticism I have with the writing is that Esquie gets a little bit too silly at the end of his relationship levels, but he's still endearing. The other thing is the long pauses to create dramatic effect. I think it's a little over-done. Also there's other problems but they are more-so for plot purposes. In any case you don't know what you're talking about.
>>731973998It's on record the amount of stock assets and animations they purchased and reused for the game.>>731974049I praised the game retard>>731974062never mentioned AI schizo
>>731967203Might have something to do with so much of the praise for the game having anti Japanese racism attached.
- forgettable OST- non-existent world building ( game feels like a theme park where none of the AI- created areas has any history behind it why it is like it is)- story becomes irrelevant after act 2 because nothing matters anyway- combat visuals are stolen from persona - combat system is just stolen and brings nothing new to the table- character development system is pointless because you can just dump all your points in your eat scaling stat and you can still beat the game on hard without breaking a sweatSo in the end its an 6/10 that is overhyped by social media.
>>731976258Nice bait.
>>731976258*best scaling
>I-if I was a game director, I'd make a turn based rpg!>O-oh and people would love it!>And there'd be a cast of characters that everybody loves>A-and people would praise it and call it a return to form for rpgs!>And I'd be supper successful!>Maybe I'd even win game of the year or something crazy!>heh. And people would see how cool and humble I am by showing off my jrpg roots and bringing attention to lesser known rpgs >Ha wouldn't that be something...Of course weebs are mad. I've seen them daydream about this exact scenario multiple times and, out of nowhere, a fucking French guy achieves all of it on his first go. The fucking curbstomp to their pride is meteoric.
>forgettable OST(You) need to be more subtle
>>731976258>- forgettable OSTdon't lead with this next time, rookie.
>The parry systemMy experience with the parries on hard mode felt so inconsistent. I can press the button at around the same timing and can never feel confident that I'll miss or land the parry. It's also unfun having to adjust your timing based on the slowdown and camera effects that are different for each attack. The parry is supposed to be a core mechanic but felt unpolished
>>731967203JRPG solely refers to Japanese RPGs and nothing else.>But I am a fat 40-year-old who used to call all RPGs either "JRPGs" or "CRPGs." To me, it's a style.Kill yourself.
>>731976303>bringing attention to lesser known rpgs>final fantasy VIII>"lesser known rpg"
>>731976303Even weebs know journos and normalfags don't like anime, in the end is just you screaming to the clouds like a retard.
>>731975287Silksong is better, and I have a 5090
>>731975898>Cameron>Anime PFPTranny, 100% guarantee.
>>731975287Anon Silksong can run on any computer meanwhile if you play e33 on a normal computer it gonna run like shit.
E33, Nine Sols, and Astlibra are the top 3 games of the 2020's so far
>>731976440>>731976457Here are two of them right now. Weebs who love slop, mad at the French guy who made a GOTY winning rpg demanding Lost Odyssey get a remaster. Notice they also didn't list any jrpgs. Fucking bums. Go make a game. A Frenchie stole your dream.
>>731976558E33 and Hell Is Us ran perfectly for UE5 games.People who say E33 runs like shit are full of shit.
>>731976561>Nine Solspretty much only ever brought up by chinks it was so average
>>731976558E33 runs well though.
>>731976561Elden Ring and E33*We've got four years left for a Big 3 to happen, but right now it's those two.
>>731975898Reminder this troon posted "their" 10x10 in the replies of that same Twitter thread and it's completely performative dogshit; a mix of the most obvious picks you'd see on a "Top 10 games of x console" list and some literal who indies nobody has even heard of so xhe can appear deeper than xhe is. Not to mention all the other troons praising "SUCH GOOD TASTE" in the replies.
>>731976634>all this projectionPathetic to say the least.
>>731975440>No responseAs expected but still disappointed.
>>731976112>lmao never thought of thatShe's a gypsy. Fortune telling is one of their things.
>>731976725>Not a single fucking gameName ANYTHING, anon, to justify the E33 seethe. French devoured you.
I dont consider the Persona games to be actual RPGs. I do like them though.
>>731976290I accept your concession.>>731976380If I dont remember a single song, not even the battle or overworld music after 30 hours, the ost is forgettable. Guess I'm just used to better OSTs than the average zoomer because I played actually good games.
