Samussisterss… what the FUCK happened to Metroid.. https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2026/260203e.pdf
>>732190161It is time to turn Metroid into a dating sim
>>732190161Go woke Go broke
>>732190161Metroid was never a huge mover. I'm surprised Nintendo even still makes Metroid games.
>>732190161Simply a bad game. They fucked it up
>>732190184fpbp
>delay game for a stupid amount of time>journalists find out about MacKenzie and how hard they hid him from previously shown game segments spreads across the internet>wtf why didn't anyone buy our game
>>732190161>make a bad game>it doesn’t sellThe Milesposting really destroyed it
>>732190342>delay game for a stupid amount of time>>journalists find out about MacKenzie and how hard they hid him from previously shown game segmentsYou mean random Anons on the internet watching the footage."Journalists" didn't find shit
>>732190367>The Milesposting really destroyed it>shitpost about a game>it flopsMy powers are too strong
Miles and green enery crystals killed the game.
>>732190389>"Journalists" didn't find shitThey were the ones playing, genius.
>Make your game reddit>It bombs
Was Miles actually that bad or was it blow out of proportion
>>732190424people shitposted about $60 for a short 2d game when Dread released but it ended being a success anywaywhy was prime 4's shitposting different
>>732190389Even IGN released a video complaining about him
>>732190667Probably blown out of proportion but between that, the lackluster aesthetic and the open world, i think it killed the interest of a lot of people.
>>732190705>but it ended being a success anywayIt only sold a few copies more than Prime 1
>>732190667>>732190839The cope was that Miles was only an annoying "tutorial" NPC who would ease up the further you get into the game. The issue is that he remains there and you get a whole group of Galactic Federation troopers, one which I'd argue is more obnoxious than Miles. They try to get you with multiple fake-out deaths and then the ending of the game has them die no matter what and it tries to make you feel bad.
>>732190342Why didn't they just remove him? The women that wrote it would cry too much?
I got through the first actual area which was a fucking straight line with that retard quipping at me until I turned dialogue sfx to 0 and then as soon as I was moving to a new area ready to explore the game ripped control away from me and forced me to open the map and the reddit faggot told me exactly where to go and what to do and raped any chance I had to explore on my ownI immediately turned the game off and started another playthrough of prime remastered insteadThis game is fucking nigger dogshit and you are nigger dogshit if you excuse this fucking nigger shitsame with xenoblade 3 forcing me to go through an unskippable tutorial for opening a fucking chest and equipping items onto a party memberkill yourself in the most violent and painful way possibleI wish death on retro studios and every AAA scrap libshit faggot developer that they hired to shit out this fucking slopthis is not even a metroid game
It got what it deserved, it's not a game worth going out and buying regardless of if you're a fan of Prime or not.
>>732190667Nothing is that bad if you're looking for ways to cope
>>732190161Nintendo happened. They should've let Retro start over. It's no surprise that the game was bad. Metroid is also much more popular in the west so the Japanese wasting their money at every opportunity couldn't bail them out.
Zoomers aren't interested in a watered down shooter designed for Japanese people.
I want to say this is a relief, but it's not like poor sales or reception has ever stopped Nintendo from doubling down on awful decisions
>>732190161>Announce long awaited Prime 4 with a title card and nothing else>no infomation for years>Oopsie we did a fucky wucky and have to start over with development but there's still hope as it's now done by Retro>After years show lacklustre trailers>Show another soulless open world >there's literally a quipping jew companion in your Metroid game>game flopsIt truly is a mystery
>>732190667Myles is that bad but he's also the least of the game's problems. It's a disaster of a game.
prime was always lock on slop
>hire 343 devs>it sucks
>Nintendo plebs were trying to convince people Samus is the most iconic female in gaming and everyone loves her. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>732190667The game is such a linear hallway simulator it makes FFXIII look like botw. Genuinely an insult to call it Metroid.
>>732190161Ban twitter screenshot threads
>>732190161Woke.
Is this one of those Department of Defense Interactive Internet Activities threads I keep hearing about?Prime 4 had problems, but nothing that can't be addressed now that the team has finally got their footing.
>>732190950He wasn't even the worst part. The Sergeant was a fuckload more annoying. And that's just the NPCs, it doesn't fix the atrocious level design.
>>732190161Metroid 6 can’t possibly be worse, right?
>>732190161From a scale of 1-10 how likely will Retro close down because of this? The holiday title not even breaking 1 million? How embarrassing
>>732192584Her fan art is hot
>>732190161>make a dogshit game>it sells like dogshitGood fucking riddanceSo glad Tanabe finally got the fucking boot after like seven dogshit games in a row. Even if it takes another two decades for Prime 5 at least it might actually be good this time
>>732190161>bad game>empty desert>reddit npcsThat's what
>>732190161Um, win?
>>732190367>The Milesposting really destroyed itIt really did, Metroid was always somehow of a niche series if you turn the fans against it you you're fucked because the way you reach the normies is through the fans jerking off the game, see Metroid Dread
>>732194219On one side the series is dead again and studio will be closed buut...chuds got owned?
>>732190667The sniper and his fucking space mormon sermons are a million times worse than Myles' dipshittery in both writing and execution.
>>732190161Metroid was never a big sales driver. Dread was the highest selling one and even that one only sold 3 million. Subpar sales are the norm.
>>732190982>the game ripped control away from me and forced me to open the map and the reddit faggot told me exactly where to go and what to do and raped any chance I had to explore on my own>same with xenoblade 3 forcing me to go through an unskippable tutorial for opening a fucking chest and equipping items onto a party memberI see Nintendo treats their customers as literal toddlers that needs guidance.Understandable crashout anon, I'd have done the same honestly.Lately I replayed GTA:SA and the difference in tutorial compared to modern games is astounding. Maybe it' sbecause it's a free-roaming game, but despite being the niggest of the games it still give you freedom to bullshit your way around the city, while the first missions are focused on teaching you how the game works, WITHOUT forcing you to do anything.
The Prime games were never good. Fuck 1st person slop
>>732190161The game was shit. Nintendo used to be smarter about knowing when to release a game and when to cancel it.
>>732194673Silence, back to your sports game child
>>732190667Miles was annoying, but the game has far bigger issues than just shit npcs.
>>732190272Metroid Prime was a huge mover. Not anymore though, outsold by Dread.
>the whole appeal of the Metroid aesthetic is a feeling of being isolated on an alien world>completely go against that by forcing you to listen to NPC babble the entire gameDoes Nintendo just not know anything about what people like about Metroid? I'm honestly kind of baffled.
>>732190667>Was Miles actually that bad or was it blow out of proportionBoth
>>732195093>it's okay when Prime 3 does it
>>732190161It released in December.
>>732194363>buut...chuds got owned?I never undertstood this mentality. Do they really think like that? It's akin as the scrawny nerd getting beaten up in the parking lot and still feeling proud that he proved the school jock was an actual piece of shit.
>>732195190It released during the holidays when people buy the fuck out of games?
It's so funny just how hard they tried to hide the redditor sidekick.
>>732195190Kirby Air Riders released a week earlier and completely outsold it
>>732195093>>the whole appeal of the Metroid aesthetic is a feeling of being isolated on an alien worldTendies pretending Metroid was an isolated horror immersive sim is hilarious
>>732190272Didn't Dread do extremely well?It's almost like if you make a good game, people buy it, and if you make an eh game, people wait for a sale. And Nintendo games never go on sale, so they just never buy it.
>>732195132No it's not that game sucked
>>732190667Miles is annoying, but it is also blown out of proportion. If anything, he's arguably the best of the NPCs.
>game is bad>streamers and reviewers play it on day one>oh shit game is bad>people don't buy itIt's that shrimple/
>>732195423Always has been retard kun
>>732190161>Almost 9 years in dev>When a trailer drops it looks mid>The fucking bike and hub world killing interest left and right>MylesIt's not the worst game ever but it's a relatively easy Prime game surrounded by development tumors of fads over the last seven years in game design.
I didn't buy the game because of the stupid looking motorcycle. I've been a Metroid fan since the new and this shit looked so fucking gay I just punted it completely
>>732190161The devs took the Wind Waker routeMake a clearly unfinished piece of shit that's utterly reliant on aesthetics over actual gameplay quality
>>732190161i'm like six hours in, i don't see what anyones complaints aredid they want prime 2 instead?
Damn no wonder Furukawa had him killedPress S to spit on his grave
>>732192843go woke go broke retard
>>732195093>the whole appeal of the Metroid aesthetic is a feeling of being isolated on an alien worldit's not you retard
>>732195618>The devs took the Wind Waker route>Make a clearly unfinished piece of shit that's utterly reliant on aesthetics over actual gameplay qualityyou mean the BOTW route
>>732195775>Metroid >wokeMeanwhile Pokemon, an actual woke series, is selling gangbusters.Sucks for you.
>>732190161Might not have happened even if it was good, no chance when it wasn't.
>>732190161Grim
>>732190161Tanabe had shit ideas for a new Metroid Prime and instead of reconsidering when one developer couldn't do anything good with his concepts, they handed it over to Retro who also couldn't magically turn bad design into even a halfway decent game.
>>732195775where's the woke?
>play OG Metroid Prime on GC>learn about the unused assets for Speed Booster>always wonder what Retro would have done with it if they had more dev time>fast forward 22 years>Metroid Prime 4 has a large open world>literally the perfect area for speed boosting and shinespark>learn not only is there no speed booster AGAIN but they just put in a motorcycle>and instead of making improvements/refining the Screw Attack's clunkiness from MP2 & MP3, they just cut it completelyI will never not be mad
>>732199493The bike was shit but the idea of Samus speed boosting through an entire desert is just as retarded
Metroid is a franchise trapped on a platform which is incompatible with its goals: Metroid doesn't have to be grimdark or edgy but inherently it isn't a bright and shiny child friendly setting. However so long as the franchise remains trapped on the closed circuit that is Nintendo it will be forever beholden to marketability principles for a system aimed at 7-12 year olds. I'm sure if Metroid was released on PC or other consoles there would be plenty of curious people willing to dip into the franchise and play it and boost sales, but those people are not willing to purchase a whole new system for this.
>>732199184Do yourself a favor, don't look up the writers alongside Tanabe
>>732190667I would take Miles over the desert. He is dumb, but you ditch him early enough to get over it. He does have a obsessive need to tell you what you already know when you are driving around doing other shit. That could be fixed with an option to turn off mandatory guidance.
>>732192584Nah, and she's not even the most "iconic" Nintendo female, that's Zelda or Peach.
>>732192584I remember back in 1999-2006 when every popularity contest in GameFAQs had Samus and Tifa were the strongest female contenders.Fast forward to the present day, it's not even close. Samus' AAA budget rumored 100M game is struggling to sell 1M copies. Meanwhile, normies on my feed are all simping for Tifa (or Aerith) for the first time after Hamaguchi shilled FF7R so hard on Switch 2, Xbox Series and PC.
>>732190161Only 2D Metroid games are good.
>>732190161Go woke, propagandize, kill franchise.
>>732190161Prime was never real metroid anyway
>>732190161Good, lets hope this becomes a lesson they take on board to never ever make the same decision to baby players via insufferable npcs that never shut the fuck up and never have anything even remotely interesting to say through a game ever again.
>Noooo, why doesn't Nintendo make Metroid games anymore? It would sell so well! Earthbound too!>Nintendo proceeds to make the highest budget Metroid in history>No one buys itAnd then people wonder why some franchises never get new entries anymore. Same thing with Advanced Wars, Star Fox, Fzero, Eternal Darkness and so on
>>732190161>what the FUCK happened to Metroid..women, you didnt gatekeep them out of positions where they make decisions about game developmentunironically.
>>732190184>this post was deletedjannies not beating the allegations of being troons
>>732190161Here's what happened:>Bicycle traversal>Millenial quirkchungus charactersSimple as.
>>732190367>Milesposting really destroyed itkind of, but the actual answer is the whole game was shit, a shell of metroid puppeted by a retard. Every part of it mimmics metroid but none of it understands itits bad top to bottom. its bad in level design, world design, puzzles, world building, lore, scanning, combat, upgradeseverything that made metroid, 2D and 3D good, is bastardised heremilesposting is just a lazy reflection of that, but, like a canary in the coalmine was all people needed to know the whole thing was rotten.
>>732190161The Prime series has always been shit and I'm tired of pretending it isn't.It's a completely shit transition to 3D, on par with Castlevania's transition from 2D to 3D. The style of Metroid M with normal 2D gameplay and 3D set pieces was a much better direction for the series, but because of its completely shit story, that style will never be used again.
>>732190161Metroid Prime always sucked.
Good. Hopefully Prime stays dead and they can make a real 3D Metroid game for once.
>>732190839Metroidvanias are more popular than ever with multiple indie games like ender lillies and hollow knight blowing up and selling millions. Yet Nintendo is taking Metroid of all things, the game that pioneered the genre, and trying to make it something other than a metroidvania. As if we get to many 3d Metroidvanias as is and prime 4 had to be something different.Blows my fucking mind.
>>732190161JOIN US AND METROID
>>732201273hey brother you aren't giving enough credit to how retarded the controls were
>>732190161Every single trailer after the first one raised another huge red flag.
>>732193565From what I hear retro wanted to start the game over and make a new one from ground up. But furukawa era Nintendo is way to cheap for that so they forced them to use namcos canceled prime 4, which was shit, as the foundation for their version of prime 4. Retro new the project was doomed from the start as the foundation they had to build on was rotten. But they where kinda just stuck holding the bag on this project because someone does and it isn't gonna be Nintendo hq.I imagine Nintendo is aware of this and isn't going to close the studio over this game flopping. At the very least the retro was able to show off how technically talented they are cause prime 4 is great looking for a switch 1 game. But Nintendo might send them back to the donkey kong country mines for awhile. Not such a bad thing I guess tropical freeze was great.Miyamoto or one of the old guard shoulda stepped up to insist prime 4 be restarted properly but all those guys are way to old and checked out.
>>7321901618 years for this shit, only to basically kill the series, cool.
>>732195132It was ok in prime 3 since the samus niggas had limited screentime and you could tell they were only introduced so you could fight them later
>>732190161It absolutely did not deserve to sell a lot. Thankfully it killed Tanabes career at least. Fucking hack.
Beyond felt like a hollow imitation of the Prime trilogy. It went through the motions and checked the boxes of what a Prime game should be (alien world, first person perspective, scan logs, lock on, etc) without understanding any of what made the trilogy actually work. That's clearest in the level design and story, but basically everything missed the mark in some way.
>>732195093Allegedly, Nintendo was horrified with what "bounty hunter" means in Western media and endeavored to ensure that Samus is NOT a morally gray hired gun but actually a by the books military grunt. Oh and her military grunt friends are important and you WILL care about them.
>>7321954913 million copies, which is really fucking good for a series where most games didn't break 1.
>>732195739Really wonder how long it's gonna be until he has a mysterious car accident.
>>732190161Thanks to the unappealing open world sequences and millennial writing.
>>732201847With Bananza existing I doubt Nintendo has any need to send anyone back to the DKC mines for a console generation at least.
It's a niche franchise, but they made a shitty $70 game that's impossible for the niche audience to enjoy.When the desert and motorcycle scene was revealed, I lost all interest in the game, and it was funny to see widespread disappointment among fans because of that scene alone. If you think about it, that scene didn't have to mean much, it could have just been a silly bonus that didn't interfere much with the game, but it instinctively made a lot of people suspicious of the game, and these people were all right in the end.It's just a shitty, but expensive, corporate Western game with no soul or meaning, trying to sell itself to one of Nintendo's smallest fan groups (and therefore the most demanding for that specific genre), which is surpassed even by people interested in Fire Emblem...Metroid Prime is dead as a series, and no one will miss it.
Fucking stupid American studio ruined another beloved franchise
>>732201847Retro will just so support work this entire gen
We need to go back
>>732202348Metroid Dread was great. At least mainline Metroid games will prevail
>>732202408It's amazing how much better it was, at least it shows they like metroid, it's their fusion sequel wet dream.
>>732202408By whom? The Spaniards are toast.
Blaming retro from prime 4 is retarded. the prime 4 we have is the shitfest from the original devs of it that fucked up so bad nintendo had to pull retro from the DKC mines just to finish it because nobody else was willing to take the fall and cancel it outright.Nu retro has the ability they just need a proper game to call their own rather than work with a half-baked open world game that has metroid in it
>>732202529It would have been crap no matter what because the biggest flaws of the game everyone whines about are specifically the game pitch.
>>732201496Prime 4 is not a good first person shooter, it's not a good Metroidvania, and it's not a good Metroid. The Metroidvania genre is churning out $20-$35 games nonstop with actual Metroidvania gameplay. The more you think about it, the worse the whole thing is. It's a 5/10 game by Nintendo standards, easily. This was the product of 8 years of development hell, with Retro Studios working on it for 6 of those years with a big budget, meanwhile indies and AA studios are making better Metroidvanias at half the budget, dev time, and retail price.Dread sold 3.5 million something units in less dev time. Prime 4 is looking like it won't even recoup its dev costs.
>>732202526Nintendo got enough dev studios at home so it shouldn’t be a problem
metroid prime 4...ninja gaiden 4...hmm
>>732190161
>>732190161Welp, it's over... Metroid is.... Dead...
>>732190254More like: delay go broke>>732190342>>732190367>Locking Content behind Amiibo
>>732202729Anon....Sakamoto had to seek the Spaniards BECAUSE there wasn't enough people at Japan
The marines at the very least are entirely on Retro.
Maybe Nintendo should just pull the trigger already if they want to succeed :)
>>732190161>what the FUCK happened to MetroidA new dev team made a really bad Metroid game, and by the time it got to someone who actually said out loud just how shit it looked it was already too late to start over. So they had to take what was there and try to throw it together into at least a playable experience.Not too dissimilar to what happened with Duke Nukem Forever.
>>732202529>Nu retro has the ability... Have you seen any of the leaked Project Harmony footage? At all? That shit literally looked like PS2 shovelware, and it was what Retro was working on for more than half a decade before Nintendo finally had enough and pulled the plug. And that's not accounting for how they hired a bunch of ex-343i employees - the people responsible for killing Halo.
>>732190161gigaflop
>>732190667It was definitely negatively affected by retards on the internet. Like another anon said Metroid is not a huge franchise. I hope you fags like game droughts, you earned it.
>kirby air floppers>metroid grime>switch 2 has no gamesgrim time to be a nintencultist
>>732190161It's as if shitendo's sales come entirely from Japan and it so happened that Japan hates metroid or something
>>732190667The other NPCs are way worse but the fact that there's NPCs at all makes it way worse than other metroid games
>>732200648GFAQS contest were something. That all female side of the bracket also had a fucking Nidoran because how pathetically weak that side was.Fucking Draven ruining everything. But I blame that cancerous trash Chie more because she had the best chance to get rid of him and she failed pathetically at it.
>>732190161Good, maybe they shouldn't hire blue haired feminist dykes and trannies
>>732190161Shouldn’t have made it a numbered release. I only played prime 1 and felt like I needed to play the others to pick up this one. And then they also haven’t released the other ones on the Official Nintendo emulator. If prime 2 and 3 were on there that also could have boosted hype and sales
I work in a place that sells games and we still have a ton of those pre-order keyrings in the back. Might swipe one.
>>732190161>made marvel tier writing>made marvel tier sales
prime 4 was announced as a desperate mea culpa to win fans back over after things like other m and federation forcebut the problem is, it got delayed for so long that by the time it released they'd already won people back with samus returns and especially Dread
>>732203268No, that shit was very clearly Tanabe's doing.
>>732190161oh no, could it be that locking content behind additional purchases is le bad?! NO IT CAN'T BE THIS IS HECCKIN EVIL PROPAGANDA BY SNOYS TO MALIGN THE NAME OF GREAT NINTENDIA AND NINTENDEPSTEIN!
>If Metroid Dread got 3 million sales, we'll get five million easily.
>>732204429Did Tanabe tweet excitedly about people finding out about his dearly samus fangirl marine?
>>732190982you stopped playing at the last time it ever "rips control away from you"
>>732192641>The game is such a linear hallway simulator it makes FFXIII look like botw.holy shit it's that bad? I stopped caring about the game after I saw the desert footage. That screams "I don't know how to make a good gameplay loop so I'll pad it out". They couldn't be bothered to at least make it look aesthetically pleasing.
Why was this the limit for Nintendo with Tanabe despite him being completely awful for the previous 10+ years?
today I will remind them,sales do not reflect quality
>>732204625He was apparently going to retire soon anyways.
>>732204625One of the most anticipated releases in 18 years.
>>732202213>When the desert and motorcycle scene was revealed, I lost all interest in the game, and it was funny to see widespread disappointment among fans because of that scene alone.You now have me remembering the first trailer for Xenoblade X and how hyped I got from seeing the mechahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GxUMMGyZcM
I think Nintendo is doing a social experiment to see just how empty they can make an open world before tendies stop buying it
>>732204640Yeah, Prime 4 is even worse.
>>732204716Why did they give him that when all of his games in recent memory were critically controversial at best?
There's a solution to all this - DREAD 2
>>732204625My favorite anecdote about Tanabe is that the rotation gimmick in Origami King came from him looking at a shower handle and he thought "this is the best way to capture my gameplay of Mario being surrounded"
>>732190161I know Metroid has never been a big seller, but damn.How does its sales compare to the other Prime games?
>>732204913no, they should update Prime 4 with free content for a bit
>>732204405 Yeah, by the time Prime 4 dropped, the goodwill from Dread had already patched things up. It’s like trying to reheat an apology that already got accepted three years ago. At this point, Prime 4 just feels like an obligation more than a celebration. Doesn’t help that it dropped into a landscape where everyone’s hyped over something else. Timing really is everything.
>>732204939similarly, they were never big selling games
>>732190667It was pretty bad but definitely blown out of proportion enough to where the criticism of Miles drowned out legit criticism of map, gameplay and story which were way bigger problems than Miles.
>>732204625Seniority kept him around because that's how Japanese companies work, but this was easily his biggest ever fuck up. Spin-off games and Chibi-Robo are one thing, but wasting 7 years smearing your shit all over a massively hyped up mainline Metroid Prime title that could've been a solid system seller for the new console if it had been good is another.
>>732190982>I immediately turned the game off and started another playthrough of prime remastered insteadThis was almost the case for me except I went back and emulated the original Prime 1.
>>732190667Any amount of NPCs constantly snarking and chungusing at you is too much for a Metroid game. Hopefully they've learned their lesson.
>>732190667Myles and Tokabi are the worst offenders because Myles on top of being annoying handholds you throughout the desert for the entire game and Tokabi has missile packs locked behind scripted cutscenes in the overworld
>>732190161KWAB
>>732205296hopefully they don't listen to chuds like you, no reason galactic federation troopers and ridley can't be in the game with dialogue
>>732205161Honestly this is probably one of Nintendos biggest blunders ever. They could have made two or three Mario or Zelda games with what it cost to make this in terms of both time and money. They must be regretting not just going with what Bamco had. It would have been shit but at least it would have been over in what, 2021 and half the cost?
How much did Dread sell in a month?
>>732190161I’m glad, metroid prime fans got way too uppity near the launch of the game. They would shrug off literally every warning sign and call you a “gay snoy”. They deserve their slop flop and the death of their franchise. 2D metroid probably will come back but I’m glad prime fags have been so throughly ended
>>732204625He has the revival of Luigi's Mansion under his belt, that probably gave him a bit of leverage.
>>732190330Correct. Woke retards can't create. Only destroy. This has been proven over and over again.
>>732190667Thie real issue is that Metroid has long abandoned a creepy and alien aesthetic. I don't know how anyone could take one look at any screenshot of MP4 and be interested in the game.
>>732190161Nothing happened, those were the expected sales numbers. Metroid games breaking 1M are an exception; the best of the best of the best. Your average Metroid game has very low sales.
>>732205573>we didn't WANT to make our money back
>>732205520It abandoned this aesthetic for military sci fi because the modern head behind Metroid cant get out of his own way.
And yet, MP4 is STILL better received than Xenoblade Chronicles 3. It’s shocking how bad that game is. So no, Metroid Prime 4 isn’t close to being Nintendo’s biggest flop.
Hopefully Nintendo will never ever waste any more time with 3D Metroid. Horrible games.
18 years of hype out in a wet fart
>>732205619>Xenoblade Chronicles 3I honestly forgot that even released. I checked out after 2 even if I still yanked it to Pyra and Mythra.
Why is the genre called Metroidvania if they're all just Metroid clones?
>>7321901611. Metroid is way more niche than people realize2. Metroid is not that popular in Japan (Nintendo's main market)3. Prime 4 was not very good 4. Dread still did wellI think it is clear that Prime is dead for the time being. The revival didn't work, mostly due to the devs being incompetent. 2D Metroid is still popular, so I imagine the next game will be that.
>>732190982>first actual area which was a fucking straight lineI noticed this too
>>732205459Wikipedia says it sold 850k in the US within its first month, so probably 1.3m~
>>732192584Lara Croft for Smash 6!
>>732205619Metroid Prime 4 cost twice what it cost to make Tears of the Kingdom which was Nintendos previous most expensive game
>>732205573Given the long dev hell and multiple reworks. MP4 was not a cheap game to develop. It probably didn’t need to sell 10 or maybe 5 million copies to be a success but it definitely wasn’t “barely 1 million copies sold to be a success” type of cheap
If you're a Metroidfag it's absolutely over, isn't it? Prime 4 was dogshit and your only other alternatives are parry slop like Samus Returns and Dread.
>>732190667the bad open world was 100x more significant than the annoying characters. retro should have been allowed to make the entire game from the start.
>>732190161metroid should be 2D, not 3Dprime was a fun experiment that should have ended at MP3
>>732205908Dread was good. But yes it is still over because that studio is apparently not doing great.
>>732205939>retro should have been allowed to make the entire game from the startI thought that was what happened. Was Retro forced to try to salvage what Bandai Namco had already started on?
>>732190667He really wasn't that bad. He's follows you across a bridge at the end of fury green and then occasionally calls you. He doesn't call you if your in any zone other then the desert.
>>732206003Yes, Retro were forced to go ahead with the cursed Bamco spec, open world & the bike were mandatory inclusions.
The hate for the game feels super schizo and forced, like you have people itt randomly bringing up Xenoblade 3
>>732190161We wanted Prime 4 to be like 1 and 2, not 3 with Gen X writing.
>>732206076So the shitty companion writing is all them?
>>732205608>>732205846Oh no they absolutely lost money and were retarded for spending any more than a budget title amount on this game.>hey let's dump AAA money into our series that routinely fails to break 1M salesIsn't how you make money and I have no idea how anyone expected to profit from this. What I'm saying is anyone doing a tiny bit of market research would know this game wasn't going to sell very well, and it didn't.
>>732190161fantastic news, this tells Nintendo not to fuck with the core of an IP. not everything can be retarded normie bait like botw. hope they ditch the bike and dumbass marines for good
>>732206123I see, sorry for my mistargeted shitpost
>>732205939Retro has no excuse with that open world. It being a Namco original idea or not is irrelevant cope. They chose to keep it when it was entirely possible for them to remove it since it doesn’t feel like it connects to any of the levels in the first place but also they choose to have the worst padding in the world with the green crystals which is a dog shit name. like 20% of this game is good content which begs the question what the fuck retro was doing the whole time if Namco is to blame for all the bad parts
>>732190161They let a modern American studio make a game. Modern American devs are really struggling to put out ANYTHING of note, it's fucking insane. It's honestly unbelievable how far the American game dev scene has fallen.
>>732206094The federation troopers were another Tanabe mandate, though they were written by Retro. Tanabe wrote the scan logs
The game just looks like shit. Like you look at that bigass empty desert in the trailer and it just seems beyond dull, it did not make me want to buy the game at all. Then I heard about the dungeons being shit, the annoying side-characters, the grind to get the good ending, etc. Metroid is a niche franchise as is, at that point even more niche than Pikmin, so you can't expect a Metroid game to sell well if it looks this stale and the word of mouth about it is this bad
>>732205573>Metroid games breaking 1M are an exceptionFalse, only a handful of Metroid games have failed to reach that number as far as we know.>Zero Mission>Samus ReturnsBoth launched at the very end of their respective console's lives.>Prime PinballPinball spinoff, self explanatory.>Other M>Federation Force>Prime 4 Games that were complete shit and rejected by fans.This is Metroid's strength as a franchise; not super high sales, but generally very consistent sales for 40 years thanks to the highly dedicated fanbase.
>>732206351>False, only a handful of Metroid games have failed to reach that number as far as we know.Nta but these are launch sales not lifetime
>>732204625Supposedly the budget for MP4 was very high since it was a western studio and in development hell for 8 years. Estimates are around $100 million so he wasted multiple games worth of budget on it. If some $10 million budget games flop, that's a lot different than a $100 million one.This is a mini Concord and another example of American devs ruining everything they touch these days.
>>732206003i forget which is which but there was some stuff left over from a previous version that they didn't have time to rework and other stuff that they were forced to add from delusional nintendo execs. but the open world and dudes who talk too much weren't retro's idea. the other stuff was good though so you can tell retro has some talent and could have made a good game if they were allowed to.
>>732195074>Metroid Prime was a huge mover.No it wasn't.
>>732190667Blown out of proportion. It was still fucking terrible, but people were acting like the entire franchise was dead forever because of MylesMyles was just a few annoying lines, but there were way more offensive things that actually fucked the gameplay.>pretty much not a single new powerup in the game, just psychic pink palette swaps>extremely linear level design>One of the worst open worlds in all of gaming>green crystal hunt>2 actual enemies in the whole fucking game and they just get absolutely spammed at you. After that underground mine area I was clawing my eyes out of boredomI pirated this game and i still feel ripped off
>>732190667idgaf if he wasn't, the fact he and the bike were added shows these niggers didn't understand Metroid at all
>>732205835That was because they had to make it twice right?
>>732206524This "they don't understand <franchise>" argument is always so silly. Is there ANY game that would be better with those annoying cunts added?
>>732190667Miles is bad but the game just isn't good. The open world segment is shit and so is menial crystal work. Needing to take your upgrades to Miles is retarded. The writing is awful for these characters, and the psychic gimmick is just that, a really boring and tacked on gimmick that's both annoying and cumbersome.
Fascinating we endured 7 years of tendies shoving this game into everyone’s face only for it to be immediately forgotten
>>732206424Breaking 1m at launch would've 100% been expected of Prime 4 if it had been good.
>>732206187i believe the idea is that there was even less to do in the open world in bamco's version
>>732190667He's not that big of a deal in a vacuum. The bigger problem with the game's npcs is that the story revolves around them, even at the expense of tension or suspension of disbelief.And unfortunately, the game has additional issues with level design, padding, and enemy variety. Beyond is a competently made game, just not a very exciting or engaging one. Calling it a 7/10 is more than fair by conventional game review standards.
>>732203868I'll rather see Metroid die than have it appeal to normies. other m already ruined its image, now they're trying to take it away from the OG fans
>>732206640I was going to buy it so I could get some use out of my Switch 2 but the negative sentiment from game reviewers I have some faith in convinced me not too because of the points they brought up(Too linear, the green crystal hunt, heavily padded with things like having to walk back to Myles to get upgrades yet still being a short game, lack of enemy variety, and the terrible character dialogue). I didn't even pirate it, it sounded too unappealing.
>>732190667don't playing a game because of one annoying main character is not out of proportion
>just snagged this for thirty(GBP)I sense it's not selling well.
>>732199704in theory this isn't a problem. Nintendo happily releases shit like Cyberpunk 2077 and Yakuza on their systems now.You can't account for dopes just fundamentally misunderstanding Metroid and trying to turn it into Marvel's Halo though.I mean, Metroid Fusion has more of a legitimate dark sci-fi tone to it, and that's a GBA game.
>>732204625Most of his games still made money despite all the controversy. Sticker Star and Origami King were successes, with only Color Splash being a victim of the Wii U on its dathbed. Luigi's Mansion 2 and 3 sold great. Really it's only with Metroid Prime that he REALLY shat the bed. Federation Force was insanely bad PR with all the whole petition thing, even if it can't have lost too much money. But Prime 4 must have flushed hundreds of millions down the drain across 10 years and multiple studios. This was unacceptable.
>>732201273Castlevania 64 is great. You sound like a dipshit regurgitating someone else's opinion.
>>732204845weird japanese social status stuff.
>>732190342Worst marketing in recent memory.Not sure If that bike reveal was supposed to be hype but it was the exact opposite.
>>732207897Nintendo was clearly cutting costs even before the game was released. The marketing was really weak, and many people wouldn't even know the game if it weren't for the negative repercussions it began to generate with the bad trailers.
>>732190367Yes, making something deliberately not Metroid isn't a good idea.Metroid 4 is the Subnautica 2 or whatever it was called, some of people liked is there but the developers completely forgot the original soul and design intent of the game.
>>732207897They marketed it poorly because they knew it was going to fail. They not only didn't give it a direct but they straight up skipped some Metroid Mondays leading up to the release. It's obvious that Nintendo knew the game was bad so they didn't market it as heavily. If they didn't announce it at the start of the Switch 1, it's possible they could have cancelled it so they wouldn't damage the Metroid brand by releasing it. MP4 definitely did more harm than good and it's clear it's probably never recouping the dev costs. It would have been better to write the game off instead but the optics from cancelling it after 8 years would have been even worse.
>>732206684If they were going to make Samus be stuck with a team, they might as well as have made them exceptional soldiers that were down to business. It actually would work really well if the Federation squad with her were just copy-pastes of Noble Team from Halo Reach. Extreme professionals that are the tip of the spear and highly capable. All of them lose their lives and sacrifice themselves to complete the mission with Samus being the lone survivor.
>>732207978>The marketing was really weakThey did about as well they could with the game they had to market. They managed to hide all of the abysmal dogshit for a shockingly long time and the first couple of trailers actually made the game look promising, it seems like they understood what Metroid fans wanted better than the developers did.
>It's obvious that Nintendo knew the game was bad so they didn't market it as heavily.It's funny that Nintendo knew that Beyond was bad and was gonna fail, but still believed in Other M and gave it a huge marketing push back in the day.
Do we know for a fact Tanabe insisted on the open world and the dipshit helper characters?
>>732190161Im proud of Metroidfags. They're the only fanbase in the Nintendo community that actually still has some level of standards.
>>732190161>Shitty reddit chingus game failedOh shit, what a surprise
>>732208459All but assured given the timeline of things and his track record. The project started up not long after Breath of the Wild released and Tanabe's infamously infatuated with the Galactic Federation, something you could already see in Prime 3 and Federation Force. It'd make less sense if it wasn't true.
Hope Nintendo learned the lesson to never hire American millennial writers again. Especially if they're women with colored hair.
>>732208459I can feel it. You know these characters were made so Nintendo can test the waters for a Metroid movie.
>>732208892the nose ring is the bigger red flag
>>732195190Pokémon ZA and Zelda Age of Imprisonment released before it.>>732195739From what I heard, he’s not much of a gamer himself, he watches movies more.>>732199167Should Prime 4 have gotten cancelled?
>game about exploring beautiful reclaimed ancient ruins and discovering secrets all on your own>"let's add an empty desert and dudes who tell you what to do"is nintendo retarded?
>>732208459>following Zelda: Breath of the Wild’s success and request from fans for an open-world Metroid, Tanabe decided to see if such an approach could be used for the next Prime game>Tanabe pushed ahead with the motorcycle idea as he thought it would “look incredibly cool”>the devs planned several events that would have deepened the bond with the Galactic Federation members, but had to cut them due to time constraints, which Tanabe really regretshttps://gonintendo.com/contents/56832-metroid-prime-4-beyond-s-producer-offers-an-extremely-deep-dive-into-the-game-s
>>732209093>From what I heard, he’s not much of a gamer himselfThat's not unusual for Nintendo. Since the start Miyamoto took inspiration from things outside of videogames.
>>732209190unbelievable. So, can we have a real Metroid game now?
>>732209096>modern kids and teens are retarded>make games for modern kids and teens>the games assume you're retardedIt's a pretty common industry trend these days. We're reverting to the late 2000's Wii babby game era.
>>732201054>FzeroFuck off dumb idiot, F-Zero 99 is still doing pretty well for an online 99 player game.
>>732209093Metroid Prime 4 should have just returned to the format of Prime 1, and made it better.It's universally the Prime game that people like the most, and it has a good deal of room for improvement. It's kind of nuts that they haven't done that yet. It's been fucking 24 years or something, at this point.>but we're Nintendo! We need a le gimmick!Your gimmick should be making a good game.
Can From Software just stop fucking around and make a really good Metroid clone?
>>732209465>Your gimmick should be making a good game.Nintendo execs refuse to believe this
>>732208439Other M is probably the reason they knew.
Will Nintendo finally learn that not every single one of their games have to be an open world slop?
it's unreal that the bad NPC dialogue and empty desert are not even the worst parts of the gameI suppose the bad NPC dialogue ties in with the linearity of the game, which is the real problem
>>732202213>which is surpassed even by people interested in Fire Emblem...Don’t even go there anon, Metroid is only niche to the Japanese while Fire Emblem is niche to the west. Yeah sure it may get games every 2-3 years but it still doesn’t mean much and yeah I don’t care if your Three Houses sold a bunch. I don’t think it deserves that honor personally speaking. In fact looking at this, I cannot ignore the big elephant in the room of Fire Emblem not starting in the west the same way it started in Japan back in 1990. It needed Smash Bros to help it get out Japan.
>>732192843Anon, do you really have faith in a potential prime 5? It took nintendo almost 10 years to figure out why people hated other m, they are incredibly slow on the uptake.
>>732209843No. In fact, I expect the next 3D Mario to be open world.
>>732209571not sure if this was a joke but a fromsoft metroid game has potential. at the very least they understand exploration and won't have npcs blab in your ear.
>>732210173I'm entirely serious. Just make Dark Souls but sci-fi and with mech stuff.It'd be the best Metroid in years.
>>732190330This.Dread and Prime HD are the best selling Metroid games ever, and good games.Prime 4 is mediocre from start to finish.
>>732190330Prime 4 isnt a bad game. It's just not a great one, and after all that time, people were expecting greatness
>>732202213>Best selling Fire Emblem game sales: 4.12m>Best selling Metroid game sales: 3mMetroid is niche by nature, if anything the fact that 3H is only just over 1m units head of Dread despite having far broader appeal on paper speaks volumes about how well Metroid does for what it is.
>>732210689Exactly, removed from the Prime series, Beyond is just a solid 7 which for most other games would be good/great but for a prime game it is devastatingly disappointing. Even Corruption on the high end can be argued to be a low 8 in terms of score with how flawed it is.
>>732210779>SRPG having broader appeal than metroidvania Riiiiiiight...
>>732211154>removed from the Prime seriesIf you have to say "Game X is good if it wasn't X franchise" then the game was a failure. Like with SSX 2012, I love that game but it fails as a SSX game but would had been well recieved if it wasn't an SSX game. With that logic, it is a bad SSX game. So if Prime 4 is a "good" game if it wasn't in the Prime series, then it failed its mission.
>Nintendo actually lowered the price on a gameYou know it's selling like shit when that happens.
>>732190667Primefags who blames Prime 4's failure on ONE character are retarded, all NPCs sucked. Anyone with a brain knew Prime 4 was in trouble when trailers 1-3 were shown. The third trailers motor bike and desert killed the game, completely. Putting all the blame on Miles is just cope.
>>732209976FE never left the Japan until Smash because NoA are full of dumbasses, and JRPGs as a whole struggled outside of Japan until FF7. Metroid was always set up as the "western appeal" franchise since Super was declared a Masterpiece>>732210779I think you got that backwards, at least in the conventional sense. By the metrics of what people say about FE and Metroid, Dread should've done better, that's not a knock against Dread or Metroid, but Metroid is a niche franchise and always has been
When are devs going to realize that you can't wait 10+ years to put out new game in a series? People move on and age out. Newfags have brainrot and can't be bothered to pick up on all the lore from the older games.Strike while the iron's hot, otherwise you're just wasting time and money.
>>732206285Metroid games always had a grind to reach the good ending, problem is this one has a grind to reach ANY ending.
Did they really expect people to buy a $70 12 hour game that is still 50% shitty filler? MP4 is a $40 game, max.
>>732211716Son a bitch, you made me look. It's still the price from what I can see
>should we give players what they want?>lmao no fuck the players
>>732212095Take a guess why every game now is marketed as perfect for newcomers to the series>finally you can play that old classic series you always heard so much about!
>>732211546FE is a pure fujo/yume franchise now, the gameplay doesn't matter
>>732190667Miles was a death blow. There were already several red flags for the initiated - the original cancellation, the years long-delayed follow up on any real news, the reveal of the desert and bike. The game was already on the thinnest ice before Miles was revealed, and only the blindest fanboys or most ignorant consumers could argue otherwise.
>>732212095you absolutely can, but you're expected to also make a game that's at least as good as the old ones. Preferably better.Metroid Prime itself was almost ten years removed from Super Metroid.
>>732192982It's not a Prime game, so no
>>732190161Prime was amazing, I want more of that! Dont care about first person shooter slop
>>732190161Streamers endlessly ridiculing the game while playing (deservedly so) probably turned off a lot of potential buyers too
>>732210689>Prime 4 isnt a bad gameNah, it is
>>732190161>back in 2021, Metroid Dread felt treated like a 2nd tier consolation prize by Nintendo for MP4 taking so long, literally was announced maybe a seasonal change before release>Metroid Dread ends up being the non-disputed superior of the two, to the point where Mercury Steam has fan hype in the years following whereas Prime's biggest fans are fine with there just never even being a Metroid Prime 5reality is stranger than fiction
>>732212191And Metroid has epic sci-fi, and hot lady protagonist MCThat should've been enough of a seller too, regardless of gamepley.
>>732190342I remember seeing all the shills smugly claiming McKenzie was just a minor character and now look, literally bugs you all the way to bitter end
>>732212095They did. That's why the Prime series had a well realized trilogy that unfolded in a reasonable time frame. Prime 4 was always an unnecessary prospect precisely because the first 3 games did all that needed to be done.
Quite literally the soishit sidekick is what kept me from buying the game. I usually wait a couple day with every release and the snippets I saw werent to my liking. Samus should be alone, if anything have a robot computer in her ship talk with her.
>>732212371Gonna be honest, feel a little more vindicated being more hyped for the Samus Returns remake in 2017 now.
>>732212371prime was finished with 3. the story was concluded. why even make another one?
>>732210689>It's not a bad game. Fuck off with you defending Nintendo til your last breath. 4 was a dogshit game.
They should sell Metroid to Id Software, and canonize crash as samus aran
>>732212110No one even cares about price:length ratio with this one, it has so many more substantial issues that it's not even a point worth mentioning. You can write this one off before you even get to that point.
>>732212436What kind of argument is that? That's like saying AAA studios nowadays totally can develop games in less than 5 fucking years because they did so back in 2008
>Likely means, in any case Dread outperformed it in all casesSo does this mean Metroid is now strictly a 2D franchise?
>>732205392Loon troon
>>732190161This means they’re never making another Metroid again
>>732210779Lol no, metroid gets curb stomped by indie metroidvanias. The series simultaneously cannot innovate properly after Prime 1 anymore but also can't make rehashes that are better than super/prime
>>732212291Case in point: Deus Ex Human Revolution. Made eleven years after the original(and eight years after the second one that no one likes), and got a lot of new people into the franchise, just by virtue of actually being a good game.
>>732190161I hope it was the fucking punch in the gut they fucking needed to get it into thier heads that you cant fit BOTW shit into everything.
>>732212371>whereas Prime's biggest fans are fine with there just never even being a Metroid Prime 5I was fine with there never being a Metroid Prime 4. I was already asking why we even needed this back in 2017. Even if it was a more accurate translation of the earlier games, that would still make it a sequel to a trilogy over a decade removed from its time. The fans would love getting a game that feels like it could've come out in 2009 but would that really be worth it in the grander scheme?
>>732190667He makes you wish you were playing Other M.
>>732212523Crash Bandicoot?
>>732212672it was nintendo's most expensive project to date, they got the message without a doubt
>>732190161Prime 4 still feels like a game that was only made because Nintendo was sick of hearing fans ask for another Prime.
>>732212552I'm confused as to what you mean. Prime got 3 games in 5 years. It's time came and went, it got its sequels and then we moved on. It did "strike while the iron was hot" 20 years ago and completed its arc. This was not a series that ever needed a revival.
>>732212720Nope, doomwaifu
>>732202072Not soon enough.
>>732212376>And Metroid has epic sci-fiMetroid has never been "epic" sci-fi
>>732205463Nigga Metroid fans (like me) were right there alongside you shitting on prime 4, this gay little psyop you have going on in your brain doesnt even allign with your reality.
I think about what the Bamco build of the game would've looked like if it wasn't canceled. I wonder if it really was the right choice
>>732212703>>732212703>>732212703Prime 4 is better than Other M
>>732206479It was relative to the platform it was on.
>>732212771I think it was made because Tanabe REALLY wanted to projectile shit all over the room one last time before he retired.
>>732212843Doesn't matter with how people talk about it, and how it's soldWith all the "Ooo Samus blows up planets and doesn't afraid of anything" talk, you'd swear Metroid was basically just genderswaped Doom.
I hope this means I'll be able to pick up prime 4 for 30-40 bucks soon
>>732212909You know people say that, but the gameplay in Other M wasn't bad. It's always the characters and story people have an issue with, and if that's the case, Other M clears Prime 4 easily in that regard, at least it makes sense in Other M for the characters to act how they do.
>>732213078They'd have to pay me to play it.
>>732213162nah I think it looks decent enough. It seems to be at least as good as 3
>>732190667Miles was a low hanging fruit. Kinda like that “So, I’m nonbinary” line. Yes, Miles is a problem and he shouldn’t be there, but there’s just so fucking many problems with the game as a whole. It’s like the complete OPPOSITE of Metroid Prime 1 and 2, the most beloved entries of the Prime games. It’s like some executive from Nintendo walked into the dev studio and said “hey, you know how Prime 1 and 2 were made and how they are loved by a lot of people? yeah, let’s make a game that’s the complete opposite of that”
>Wonder why its so shit>Lots of former 343 devs worked on itThat explains a lot.
>>732212371I feel vindicated shilling 2D Metroid for so long over ever being excited for Prime 4 even when it was teased in 2017.
>>732213339>at least as good as 3I vehemently disagree but to each their own.
>>732213348nu gamers can't handle metroid, which is why there was so much much silksong seething. if gamers don't have yellow paint or quest markers, they're completely lost. metroid dread literally has doors locking behind you so you can't go backwards and people STILL got lost.
>>732213628>you've lived long enough to see indie devs overtake Metroid
>>732213348>Kinda like that “So, I’m nonbinary” line.Hold the fuck up with that one. Bioware has been absolute diarrhea for about 15 years now. Anyone still expecting quality from them deserves what they get.
>>732213157Fuck no, the way other M played was a major complaint at the time and to a lesser degree still to this day. I should know as I was one of the poor idiots that actually pre-ordered that shit. Other M is the definitive floor in which the bottom of the barrel rests on (which is Beyond).>It's always the characters and story people have an issue with, and if that's the case, Other M clears Prime 4 easily in that regard, at least it makes sense in Other M for the characters to act how they do.In no way shape or form does any of the characters in other M come off seemingly normal to anyone playing the game in either the Western or Japanese version.
>>732190161Raven Beak > Metroid 4HRT Prime Beyond STD
>>732213893Raven Beak is such a fucking gigachad.
>>732213865I have never once seen anyone utter a fucking peep about Other M's gameplay unless it's relation to the plot.
>>732213348I know you don't want to hear this, but gameplay is really really irrelevant as to whether game is well received. The majority of "gamers" do not actually care about how a game plays. Companies really need to learn to never show gameplay of their games and just showcase a bunch of bullshot "hype" trailers. Just look at GTA 6, not a single screenshot of the game actually playing, just bullshots of story elements/graphics. More hype than any game out there purely on non-gameplay related trailers.
>>732213893>>732213953Is it weird how we never hear ADAM and Raven Beak together? I think ADAM might be gay for Raven Beak...
>>732190982>>732194591You say this, but people unironically get filtered by Metroid Prime. I’ve heard grown adults claim they get stuck in the game and don’t know how to advance or how to kill certain bosses, even though the game literally tells you EXACTLY where to go and EXACTLY how to kill bosses. It’s like these people can’t think. They can’t function unless there’s a magical floating “waypoint” symbol on their screen or a conveniently painted line of yellow paint. Gamers are just too fucking stupid these days. I blame Cowadoody for accustoming players to simply following immortal NPCs around repeatedly telling you what to do
>>732204493Tanabe is ON THE RECORD as being the guy who keeps forcing them. It's a fact. Ever since the dead ones in Prime 2, he's been fixated on doing Troopers more. His words. Not mine.
>>732214369>Ever since the dead ones in Prime 2That cutscene was brutal as fuck for a Nintendo game at the time.
>>732214369On paper, it's not a bad idea. it helps flesh out the universe and give some character to some otherwise faceless troops, and Samus does need at least some human characters to bounce off of evey now and againThe issue is, they're so fucking bad at it.
>>732207205This isn't an issue of multiplats being on nintendo, its an issue of nintendo IPs being exclusive to the hardware: I'm not buying a switch because I might be curious about the metroid franchise, what else is there for me on that system if I am not interested in Mario Bounces-On-It 19?
Metroid Prime 4 was a bad game, a bad Metroidvania, a bad immersive sim, a bad game in general. It took 8 years and 25 support studios listed in the credits to ship this game. The last Nintendo Direct it got was under 2 minutes in September, Nintendo of America abandoned the marketing right away. MP4 has one of the most horrible marketing pitches in gaming. There isn't a brand new central mechanic to sell this game, and it's very inherently un-Nintendo. "Metroid but you can use psychic powers to open doors" wasn't exactly a good punchline. Every single one of the best selling single player games has a fantastic hook.>"3D Zelda but it takes place in a huge living breathing world">"3D Mario but you can capture and become enemies">"2D Mario but every level has a breakout mystery box gimmick">"2D Metroid but you are chased by an unstoppable murder machines">"Fire Emblem but you are teaching the units at a military academy">"Kirby but it takes place in a post apocalyptic world""Luigi's Mansion but it is in a hotel"Retro Studios did nothing to convince people to buy their game unless you count ""BAD@SS gaming icon"" Sylux. There is no good central hook for this game, nothing to make people buy it. The fact Hollow Knight Silksong came out in the same year and runs laps around Nintendo's $100 game ($30 Amiibo) is just poetic justice.
>>732212672>>732212754Good news! They did get the message.Bad news! Their flagship games now take so fucking long to make that you won't see this take effect until next generation.
>>732214580You might not wanna hear this butXenoblade is right there anon
Apologize.
>>732192584Beyond SFM bestiality porn, no one gives a fuck about Lara Croft. You never see anyone discussing her games, yet to this day you still see people talking about Samus and her games. Lara Croft is just a dumb slut who caught the woke virus and then turned into an even dumber slut
>>732214580no one asked you to derail into PC platform warring fights, PCVegan.
>>732214450Yeah and their personal logs were fun to read because they were the only "relatable" logs in the whole game. The only stuff that felt human in contrast to all the "ANCIENT RECORD OF THE LOST ALIENS" and sinister Space Pirate shit. >>732214545Yeah, it could be done for sure. It just has to be sparingly and very carefully applied. It should be more like Prime 2 where there's a human/GFED -moment- in the story that helps flesh out and deepen the world but then fucks off into the background as a footnote.
>>732214304>I blame Cowadoody for accustoming players to simply following immortal NPCs around repeatedly telling you what to doI blame World of Warcraft because quest markers got popular from that game and people would skip the quest dialogue, go to the red circle marked on the map, then go to the ? to turn it in. That's modern game design, except now there's yellow paint to lead you to the quest marker too.
>>732195093>>the whole appeal of the Metroid aesthetic is a feeling of being isolated on an alien worldthis. it’s why metroid prime 1 is peak sci-fi for me. no “military fiction but in space” like halo or star wars, no “noire but with flying cars” like blade runner, no “twilight zone but with british accents” like dr who, just pure and distilled science fiction
>>732195132Everyone shat on Prime 3, retard. And Prime 4 was even worse which I didn’t even think was possible.
>>732213157Other M's control scheme was awkward and outdated day 1.It's also as linear if not more than Prime 4.Pixel hunt segments are dogshit.Environments are bland and music is forgettable.Cutscenes are unskippable and tell a stupid story that only served to make Samus look like a retard with stunted development.Prime 4 being underwhelming doesn't mean Other M stopped being irredeemably trash.
While on the topic of Prime 4's humans, I feel like this needs to be said. Just let Samus talk sometimes, I know Nintendo likes their silent protags, but it feels weird with all these characters talking around and she's quiet.It's not like she can't talk, it's just most situations we see her in she has no reason toIs the reason why they don't allow it because of Other M, and its reception spooking them into not having say anything ever again, unless its in Chozo?
>>732215240ThisPrime 4 is linear and shallow and full of cancer but... It's not a huge character assassination full of unfun stuff. The actual moment to moment >"walking around scanning stuff and shooting alien bugs" stuff is just about as good as ever. The boss fights are good too. So was the music and graphics. It's a 6.5 as a linear-ish sci-fi shooter and a 4/10 as a new Prime games
>>732190667yes, and every other character is exactly like him in function if not scaffoldingthey aren't characters, they're signposts crafted to remove all sense of exploration from the game
>>732215454Well to be fair, there's no exploration to be had so having them "ruin" that doesn't matter much.
APOLOGIZE RIGHT FUCKING NOW
>>732215320>Just let Samus talk sometimesOnly if she's reserved like Hornet "Shaw" Silksong.
>>732214956WoW didn't get quest markers until 2009.
>>732190161I thought nintendo switch 2 was the best selling console of all time! Lol, lmao even. Tranny system for trannies
don't know anything about this series but metroid is hot af
>>732215320I remember when we first saw the interact with miles before the game launch, the fact that samus was dead silent the whole time made the experience way more awkward and lame and fucked up their attempts at humor. It also completely misunderstood samus as a character, she isn’t a mute autist, she’s heavily battle hardened and usually alone, she should be curt and straight to the point. You’d get more mileage from character interactions when your character actually talks instead of standing around like a retard
>>732195093iirc nintendo of japan's idea of a "bounty hunter" differs greatly from the western idea, but that's just samus's character. I honestly think they don't understand metroid's core appeal outside of japan due to cultural differences.
>>732215592true, but that doesn't excuse their existence
>>732190254Omg it's samus>>732190161Samus>>732190203It's samus>>732190330Samus? Sus aran? Hey!>>732190339Samus!!
>>732216085Of course. They were universally fucking cancer except for the robot. He was bland enough.
>>732190161As a slight enjoyer of the game:>Nintendo blind hate is at an all time high>Metroid never sold well>Prime 1 remake might have scared new comers away>a game with this long a dev cycle is always at least not goodAlso: its even more grim:Nintendo has a really weird what counts as a sale:Switch 1 physical, digital and switch 2 digital count as a switch 1 sale for some fucking reason. Only the switch 2 physical counts as a switch 2 sale. So even those didnt hit 1 mill and one might think, that if you are core enough to like metroid, you already have a switch 2.
>>732216126Hey, I'm your friend! Samus, hi!Reaalllyy curious how such a game series failed.
>>732214594Seriously, people are trying to claim the quality of the game is why it failed, but how many people even know the game exists? It was barely marketed. Newcomers who liked Dread also aren’t gonna buy the 4th entry in a series they never played.
>>732190161The game was bad. Worse than MP3. Of course it sold like shit. The openworld and the NPCs with a ton of marvel writing movie cutscenes ruined it.
>>732208439the metroid audience was still a known quantity since Prime3 had just released, and Team Ninja probably foot part of the bill anyways.
>>732190667Prime 3 aurora units were worse, miles is fine. The problem is the rest of the game
>>732210689>a metroidvania except distinctly lacking in terms of both metroid and vanianah, it's at best a "good game but not good metroid game" but it's kinda ass even at that
>>732190161This game failed so fucking hard holy shit
>>732190161Purple
>>732216712>Samus, this facility is being overrun by Phazon Corruption, please go to the Secondary Cooling Chamber and solve the problemis worse than>FREEZE 'EM ALL UP WITH ICE BEAM!!lol, lmao even
>>732215759People were using add-ons for it before then however.
>>732216283>Nintendo blind hate is at an all time highWON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR CORPORATIONS?
>>732216819bit of a mini concord, honestly. another point on the graph that american companies can apparently no longer make good games or even appealing games. indies are carrying the entire gaming space in america.
There's not going to be a 5. Nobody would be buying a follow up to this trash especially if it comes another 5-8 years from now.
>>732217229Rumor is they're actually already making it.
>>732204992If they can update a fucking Wii Donkey Kong game they can update Prime 4.>>732206592Now it’s just going to be Kingdom Hearts 4 or GTA 6 that will get shoved everywhere.
>>732217123i think what he means is that people who haven't played a single metroid game in their life are joining in on the hate, just because their favorite youtube eceleb told them to, thus muddying the waters for real criticism
>>7322172295 is absolutely happening, but I can see Nintendo treating it as a "last straw" game for the Prime subseries, and probably putting the screws to them for devtime/budget (even though a good amount of the development strain for MP4 came from their stupid asses). I do wonder if MP4 was something of a "last straw" moment for Tanabe too.
>>732217000It's called Ice SHOT. Totally different weapon Anon.
>>732212909I don’t hate either game, but I do understand why many are frustrated with both developments. In Prime 4’s case, fans had high expectations going into it, and rightfully so, given the time it took to produce and the trilogy’s legacy it already had. The story had time to be more fleshed out so there’s no excuse there. Other M was just extremely confusing, wacky Wii controls, and the dialogue was not well-written, but not to the point it would make me turn it off.
>>732204992>>732217316There's nothing they can add that would fix it. You'd have to basically remake the game and make every one of the environments WAY bigger and either gut or massively expand the desert. Remember the plan for Sol Valley was a huge complex space with fun exploration, not a glorified loading screen with rocks to drive at.>>732217553SORRY!!!>>732217497100%. He fucked up big time. I'm sure he was planning to oversee a new trilogy or something.
>>732217449That's not a Nintendo related issue though, the entire industry is suffering from that. CIP: Highguard. A mediocre game killed because it was overhyped so everyone piled on it. Sound familiar?
>>732213806Indie Devs have also overtaken Wario Land.
>>732213893>Metroid 4HRT Prime Beyond STDFeaturing the Master Emerald pieces & Knuckles
>>732190161Metroid fags waited 20 years forA prime game that is worse than prime 1A 2D game that is worse than fusion in every wayAnd were in complete and utter denial about how shit they were the entire time because they were too afraid to read the writing on the wall.By the way, OG metroid fags are pushing toward 50 years old. Those two games are likely the last they'll ever play.
>>732217497if the rumored $100 milly budget is true, tanabe got fired or pressured to resign. mp4 has gotta be the biggest nintendo failure since the wii u. at least drag x drive had a miniscule budget, it looks like some free game you'd find on digipen's website back in the day.
>>732217000I didn't fucking ask for that stupid pickle on a jar to barge into my visor and SHUT OFF MY FUCKING SHIP to show its power point presentation. Miles is just a fucking annoying navi nerd I can put on mute.
>>732217841Metroid fags are the truest Nintendo fans, they're the only ones left willing to tell Nintendo "no, fuck you, this sucks".
>>732214594>”Metroid but you can use psychic powers to open doors" wasn't exactly a good punchline.The Morph Ball Slingshot thingy was the best thing and the Boost Ball Roller Coaster sections.
>>732217896>Have to backtrack to see him at least 5 times just so he can install an upgrade [something your suit can do on it's own without help]>Every single time he spergs out and barrages you with awful advice and dialogue>Spend any time in the desert or doing anything but b-lining the next objective and he spams your radio to nag youHe's way worse, you're a fucking retard.
>>732214594Ummmm>3D Donkey but you can Smash the whole environment and transform into different Bananza forms.
>>732217000Why is this officer out of uniform?
>>732217956Nah, it took a constant stream of telling them that Prime 4 was bad, until they finally accepted it. They were damage controlling for a month after release, praying that people would stop bringing up the problems.>Myles dies in the tutorial! he doesn't show up!>the open world is only in the first half! the desert turns into a lush forest afterward!>just you wait, the game is 50 hours long and Sylux is totally epic and cool after that!>there's gonna be awesome payoff, you'll see!All typical copes.
>>732218117That wasn't Metroidfags, those were Switchfags who treat every game as a duty to support and defend.
>>732215320Samus giving a hug back to Armstrong after she ran up and hugged her was the cutest non-verbal interaction she’s had. I forgot exactly in the game when this happened.
>>732217956To be fair, it's also the genre with the most alternatives because Metroidvania games are so popular. If you like the genre, you're not at a loss for good games. If you're a 3D platformer fan, you have much less options available and they're of a lesser quality most of the time. I know some old Zeldafags moved to Souls games but the Zelda series has changed in recent years anyway. Hack and slash dungeon crawlers are pretty popular these days too though because of the Souls clones.
>>732216076Someone needs to tell them Samus is a "Ronin". Then they would get it.
>>732204521It's not just Miles that's terrible. All of the npcs do the same explain everything like you're DSP looking at chat instead of the game while drunk. Every time you go for 5 minutes in the desert, one of the annoying NPCs will call you to tell you exactly where to go. When you're in any of the "explorable" areas (mostly straight hallways with at best 2 doors a room) an NPC will tell you exactly what in the room is the important thing you need to see or do to progress to the next room. They reexplain every step of every "puzzle" even when the cinematic explains it all without dialogue. Puzzles are complex things like pick up the glowing ball and put in the ball shaped hole. An NPC will point out the ball, hole, and tell you to do the puzzle and announce the puzzle completion. Combat is hamstrung by the game making half the areas escort missions with these shit NPCs that can't damage enemies, move extremely slowly and refuse to leave cover if a single enemy is left alive. They also decide the final boss should be an escort mission with all of them. By the way if an NPC gets downed in combat it counts as a game over with no chance to revive them, checkpoints usually reset you back to before any combat started so you have to go through all leas up trash dialogue and walking all over again, these also apply to the final boss. Calling Miles the problem is underselling how bad every part of this game is.
>>732217000MORNING WOODAFTERNOON WOODEVENING WOOD WOULD
>NDS niggers like niggerdeen shat out 4 videos in a single day over the nintendo financials.>They are STILL shitting out more.They are mad lmao.
>>732218460what do Nintendo DS fanboys have to do with a Prime 4 thread?
>>732218460Calm down, tendie. The famitsu threads aren't until tomorrow.
>>732217229But Tanabe is out of the picture anon
>>732217497While I could see them wanting to reuse the engine and making a new Metroid I think after a launch this bad the Prime name is going to be retired regardless, it no longer has a positive name recognition. If they do another one it'll have a new subtitle.
>>732190667He said "things are about to get real nerdy"In a Metroid game.All levels of disgust are warrented. It's amazing how oblivious they were to the proper tone of the series to include this character, with this writing.
>>732218460>NDS Who would’ve thought that theNintendo DSWould gain a resurgence of popularity on 4chan :)
>>732218635>4 (a non-prime number) is the last numbered Prime game>5th Prime game (an actual prime number again) won't be called Prime
>take game that excels in silence and atmosphere>add a bunch of talking charactersNahMetroid does best the less dialogue that's in it.
>>732190161Hopefully someday we'll get the full story of why development of this game went so awry.
>>732218953Tanabe being senile since the late 2000s, and Nintendo being mindbroken by BotW's success.
>>732218460Stop being so obsessed with e-celebs. It's parasocial and weird, same with deepthroating a company and treating it like a team sport. Live a better life.
>>732219047The crazy thing is, there's a good chance he and a bunch of other Switch spazzes on /v/ don't actually own a Switch or Switch 2.
>>732195423It literally always was?The thing that binds all of the most popular games in the series is that you're alone, and there's a creepy atmosphere. Maybe Prime 1 to a slightly lesser extend, which has more of a serene feeling about it, but it's certainly a game about isolation.How you can look at any of this and say "Samus needs to be hanging out with a squad of wisecracking Power Rangers", I have no idea.Did you think Super Metroid was a mistake? They just didn't have the technology yet? Explain.
>>732201054highest budget means nothing if you waste your money to add marvel quips and empty open worlds nobody asked for
>>732195835So what is it?
>>732218380when I initially got stonewalled at ice drift or whatever, I drove to each major area around the edge of the map, with the volcano being last. as I was finally approaching the spot I needed to go, faglord told me to go to the volcano. that was the final straw for me
>fans want Paper Mario to have partners >remove them>fans want Samus to be alone>add partnersWhat the fuck was his problem?
>>732218117>people were wrong about a game, before it came outAstounding. How foolish of them, to not be living in the future with perfect hindsight.Literally why would you think the retarded tutorial character wouldn't be a temporary thing? That's the sensible way to make the game.
>>732215631what do you mean this nigga would've clapped for the fucking glasses and the other marines. He supports the Americanization of all Nintendo Franchices.
They should let Retro make Prime 5 without any oversight by elderly Nintendo guys and have Samsung show her hole
>>732215631He'd 100% consider Prime 4 to be his favorite, if only to own the Prime 1 fans.
>>732219479He is "le innovating".Look, I turned your burger into a pizza. It's new now!
>>732219494There was a solid 2 weeks in December where coping faggots said it was "the best one" or "better than 3" quite loudly. Also tourists who don't know better were all mega-glazing it.
>>732219741So a mixture of post-release hype, and probably some actual marketing mixed in.You faggots just doomsay about everything, and then run away with your tail between your legs when something actually turns out good (remember ""Wokey Kong""?). You aren't smarter than people who try to remain cautiously optimistic about things, or at least wait to try a game for themselves.
>>732219479>Eburibodi rabu Tōdo, andu eburibodi rabu Garactic Fedareishon. Battu... nohbodi rabu Kremrings. Eburibodi rabu Tiki Takku Turaibu insutedo.Tanabe probably
>>732216076>nintendo of japan's idea of a "bounty hunter" differs greatly from the western ideaThat's baffling to me. The name is literal, it's self explanatory. It's not as if Japan in general is ignorant since the Bebob crew were actually bounty hunters hunting bounties, well two of them were. I'm convinced they just thought it sounded cool in the 80s.
>>732219931>Remember Wokey KongNot like that game was much better than Prime 4. Fanboys just have abysmally low standards. It's just that this time you couldn't hide behind metacritic.
>>732219979His last 20ish years at Nintendo really do come off as an executive who just feels a NEED to get his own crayons out and make his mark on games where he can. This is far from a unique or recent phenomenon in corporate entertainment.>>732220275Even then it seems like Bananza has absolutely miserable legs saleswise. A stand-in for a 3D Mario it isn't.
>>732219931Anon, my version of "cautious optimism" was going full paypiggy>Switch 2>Every Amiibo>The game as a physical copyI spent a fuckton on "cautious optimism". Just turns out I was right to think it had a good chance of being trash and I'm glad I spent money that came to me easily rather than budgeting and planning for the expenditure. Thank god Duskbloods exists.
>>732216076>>732220187They pretty obviously got it confused with a mercenary.
>>732209456He thinks a meme game is a real Fzero game. Zoomies try really hard to fit in
>>732190161The series that never sold didn't sell again???Say it ain't so!
>>732220187You can be sure whoever decided Samus was a bounty hunter got the term from Star Wars or Cobra, and just presumed it meant "space hero".>>732220275Remember when Nintendo were totally trying to erase Rare's memory, and then they humiliated all of you by making the game a full blown tribute to Rare's DK games?Will you admit you just get mad at things preemptively, and then run away and pretend it never happened, when your predictions fail?
>>732220571>You can be sure whoever decided Samus was a bounty hunter got the term from Star Wars or Cobra, and just presumed it meant "space hero".150%
>>732192584>1. Tomb Raider (6.6M)You know why that trailer has many views. And is not because the game is fun.
>>732204992Why would they? The game is dead anon. Hell, people would be more excited for more Dread content at this point.
>>732190161so.... win?
>>732190254SPBP
>>732194173>empty desertA good studio would have done something with this.
>>732220361It's owned by 1 in 4 people with a Switch 2, that's reasonably good. It won't stay at the top of the Switch sales charts, but as a Nintendo title it will probably sell throughout the life of the console.
>>732195376I'm still feeling the hype from that. >>732195491Dread had what many people wanted in a Metroid game.
>>732190667no, it wasn't even the worst part of the gameit certainly didn't help, though
>>732220750It failed to sell an additional million with the holiday season. That's fucking atrocious for its future prospects.
>>732208395>it seems like they understood what Metroid fans wanted better than the developers did.Yeah, consider the amount of trailer shots which were timed just perfectly to avoid the McKenzie reveal.
>>732220750Not unless Prime 5 is good. Prime 4 has a bad reputation now. Nintendo games with bad reps rot on the shelves. I remember when Other M copies were like $10 each at EB games because it got returned/traded in by so many people.
>>732195376Metroid being outsold by Air Riders is fucking absurd. MP4 is even on the Switch 1 whereas KAR is only on the Switch 2.
>>732220870Yup. Exactly. They buried the disaster as hard as they could but eventually international marketing and the final push before release had to happen.
>>732195739This guy wanted to do something different but the execs said "No. You will do this game with all of this added.".
>>732220947No, he just piled onto the terrible groundwork Nintendo already heaped onto Retro's laps.
>>732201496>>732202721Don't worry they fired Tanabe. Metroid will be great again.
>>732203245*sigh* Guess I have to book a flight to Japan.
>>732203332BASED
>>732221063His successor is a shitter casual who wants more “emotional moments” in games. At best, Tabuta won’t continue Tanabe’s worthless obsession with the marines. I wouldn’t expect a miracle. She’s been there from the start, so she should know better. But Tanabe should also have known better, and didn’t.
>>732220947>This guy wanted to do something different but the execs said "No. You will do this game with all of this added.".>>732209190
>>732202241The japs ruined it first, the spainiards saved it, americans killed it again
Just wanted to clarify that there's no concrete proof that Air Riders outsold Prime 4. Metroid could have sold 900k on Switch and 900k on Switch 2 and that would put it above Kirby.
>>732208892>nose ringpiercings are becoming lame...
>>732220863I wouldn't be concerned if I was a higher-up at Nintendo. I sincerely doubt they expected it to do Mario numbers, and lifetime sales of 10-15 million are pretty respectable for a secondary property if you aren't budgeting like a retard.
In other news metroid x-fusion was pretty good :) just save state scum the sa-x encounters though because that is some straight up bullshit
>>732221436But this is the biggest budget they ever had. And 15 Mil is absolutely delusional with how badly it's been received.
>>732195739I'm really fucking happy that everybody has finally realized what a retard he is.
>>732217738wario land was an easy target for indie devs, at least pizza tower was fun
>>732215650>hornet is reserved and barely talks in the storyuhh maybe i need to play HER game
>>732215775Aran, metroid is the weird alien thingy that sucks brains
Guys I will never play this slop but apparently the ending tries to be really high brow and intellectual but is really bad at it can anyone provide a QRD?
>>732209190>requests from fans to do open-world metroid???WHERE? Where, nigga? Where do they find these people? Who fucking asked for this shit? Anyone with two braincells to rub together knew it would be retarded. Everyone with two braincells knew it was retarded the second they saw the desert. Whoever unironically wanted this should be skinned alive.
>>732217000She needs clothes, these days have been colder than usual
>>732221513We were talking about DK Bananza there. Please actually read reply chains you reply to.
>>732218092if you dont think this is fun you lack imagination
>>732221731>AranThe Irish guy from Punch-Out?
>>732219009I'm going to play the original Legend of Zelda and see why is a successful franchise
>>732203332That's never been a fan theory. It was the pet headcanon of one disgusting trannoid freak like fifteen years ago.
>>732221747Sure thing, anon.>after multiple fake-outs where the game pretends that your crew dies, your crew magically comes back and helps you fight Sylux (and by help, I mean they're a liability that ends the fight if they die)>you beat Sylux>except the game says he's not even hurt>he shoots towards Samus and knocks her to the ground in one shot, without the shot even hitting her >all of the wacky quirk chungus NPCs try to hold him back, because apparently he now has retard strength and nobody thinks to shoot him while he's pinned>he also kills Myles, who heroically takes a shot for Samus, despite her suit being capable of tanking much stronger shots, so his sacrifice is pointless>ending is Samus pressing a button and teleporting off of Viewros, leaving all of them to die>you're not even allowed to help them, since not pressing the button is an instant game over>ending is her planting a tree or something, it's supposed to be sad
>>732190161Here comes the chorus of “okay we all know it was a bad game but we should have bought it anyway because Nintendo will never make another ever again” tendie retard takes
>>732220571>You can be sure whoever decided Samus was a bounty hunter got the term from Star WarsAll the bounty hunters in Star Wars are bad guys.
>>732222185Fuck no, I loved the Prime games when they were new but that shit came and went as God intended. 4 has no good reason to even exist.
>>732190161I liked it.
>>732222185>Nintendo will never make another ever againAnd that's a good thing. I don't want Metroid to reach the point where there are more shitty games than good ones.
Imagine if it had been good. Or even great. It was a holiday title during a time where the switch 2 has a massive install base and barely anything new to play. It could have reinvigorated the series and established it permanently as a Nintendo headliner. Instead, the best case scenario now is that it “only” kills first-person Metroid for good. I hope Tanabe gets Gunpei’d.
the handholding was egregious to the point that it felt like the game was fucking trolling you. having to backtrack to the redditor to have him install upgrades is such bad design that I honestly believe it was done purely out of spite. what fucking game ever makes you waste your time like that????????
>>732190254>Go woke Go brokeCan the Chuds please stop winning.It's making my Neo-Vagina™ real dry. We already lost with Code Vein 2 and Highguard.
It feels like this game was designed by people that played the Prime games with a full walkthrough open the entire time. That's the only way I can imagine they thought having shit NPCs constantly telling you exactly where to go and what to do the entire game would be acceptable.
>>732204503>it's only one fleck of shit in your meal, why did you stop eating?
>>732222817Militant Switchfags have no concept of genuinely enjoying a series for its setting and conventions rather than cynically using an IP as a skinsuit in the name of sales wars, and that said fans would rather let a series die out than see it shamble on as a massive bastardization of what made it so beloved to begin with. at the risk of getting slapped with accusations of "no u"ing, it's truly sad just how much switchfags have been willing to concede in order to "get back" at sony
>>732201847>to cheapGood morning sir!
>>732223219>at the risk of getting slapped with accusations of "no u"ing, it's truly sad just how much switchfags have been willing to concede in order to "get back" at sonyIf it makes you feel better, being a fanboy will do that to you. Remember when we all laughed at Microsoft for making people pay for online? And then we laughed at sony for following suit? And then Nintendo did it, and suddenly the fans had no objection to the notion?The day Valve or GOG start charging a subscription fee is the day I go full on pirate.
>>732195423what is it then
>>732195423dumbfuck secondary
Reminder Prime was only good because of Miyamoto's direct influence Tanabe was always a fucking hack and Retro always needed to be tard wrangled
>>732223512>Remember when we all laughed at Microsoft for making people pay for online? And then we laughed at sony for following suit? And then Nintendo did it, and suddenly the fans had no objection to the notion?Same with $70 base games (and now $80, with Nintendo being the first ones there this time).
>>732190161What pisses me off about this is that this is going to have splash damage on 2D Metroid, which is still kino, and they’re going to put the whole fucking thing on ice for another.Fuck Prime, I just want more games like Dread. Remakes, sequels, whatever.
>>732190705Because Dread is fun as hell, and I replay it once a year because there’s no other Metroidvania like it.
>>732207382No he's right. Compared to the 2D games the 3Dvanias are mediocre at best.
Can I just get a bigger dread with more budget now? Give it prime 4's composer while you're at it?
>>732205757top is fine bottom is horrible back tracking
>>732205757>Rooms don't double back on themselves between levels like Chozo Ruins does>Uses hub and spoke world design, one of, if not THE laziest level design known>Devs will likely chalk this up to just how DETAILED everything is and that they can't make it like how the Gamecube did or it wouldn't run at 60 fpsI fucking hate feature creep so much guys. Remember when they had to do as much optical illusions as they could so that you would get the best experience? Why the fuck can't we just go back to boxes? It isn't like they are letting us actually explore that highly detailed jungle background.
Why the fuck are people forgiving dread when that game literally locks you into rooms to have the faggot computer tell you exactly what to do and where to goAnd the music is fucking dogshit
>>732224701because it's a superb game aside of a couple minor annoyances
>>732190161Leftists keep taking L's.Seems like the MCU writing isn't popular, hopefully Marvel's Doom movie flops.
>>732212467Based Samus Returns chad
>>732224864>most expensive game ever>dude hyrule field lmaodev hell is one hell of a money sink. or tanabe hoarded the money and fled the ship
lmao good fuck the prime games
>>732213893lol love beakposting
>>732210689No, it's bad.
>>732219479Nintendo purposefully stays ignorant to all fan feedback as well as generally what any other devs are doing and they're proud of itWhich is funny cause loads of people here bitch about this philosophy when westerners do it but when Japan does it and adds cringy NPCs and motorcycles it's based
>>732224864what do politics have to do with this you stupid nigger? stay in your containment board, worthless jew puppet.
>>732225498sending space cops to alien planets to find powerups is a core tenet of leftism actually
>>732209190So from what I’m reading this guy single-handedly came up with very bad decision for this game lol?
>>732221985this reminds me of the spider-man fridge cutscene
How do you think Samus’ va feels constantly being attached to these shit projects
>>732226031Worse than the fridge since this is the end of the game.
>>732225498You're not a fan of the MCU writing from the likes of Megan Fausti?https://imgbox.com/g/UOTF7PSrW0
>>732223731This makes it even funnier that Miyamoto Derangement syndrome sufferers always turn out to be tanabefags.
>>732224701It was still an above average Metroid game that sold very well, it’s what the series needed. Now Prime 4 has killed all the momentum
