>>732429326
Its probably the most popular FF game outside of FF7. There are like 8 games in the FF12 universe.

it's like the last ps2 ff before piss3

>>732429326
>because nobody talks about it here
retard. lurk more

original combat system
but with the zodiac age qol upgrades

alas zodiac age has a SHIT job system

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>>732429414
the fuck

>>732429326
the original had a bad reception because it was slow as fucking balls and the story sucked
IZJS had a better reception but wasn't released in the west so only people emulating got to play it with the language patch, but IZJS makes the game play itself early on so that's another issue, but auto-battlers are kinda fun I guess

6/10 game overall

>>732429326
I love Ivalice as a setting

>>732429326
Ha the FF12 schizo is back.
Playing it "for your first time" again.
Oh wait it's a new narrative.
Just make a normal OP next time instead of fucking lying like some faggot.
>>732429689
He's right. No one talks about it here so he makes this thread with a disingenuous OP every week to try baiting out conversation.

>>732430114
THIS

>>732429326
It's very very long and there's not that much to talk about since there are no shocking reveals or dramatic moments in the story, it's mostly politics. Gameplay wise it's an offline MMO, there are no difficulty spikes or BS moments that would elicit a strong reaction. It's just a slow paced comfy game you play for the world and setting.

>>732430435
Endgame has a nice reveal but the game properly sets it up and hints at it a bunch before it reveals it so it feels like a natural evolution of what is going on.

>>732429326
I HATED this one when it came out, mostly because of how gay Vaan looks. I went back and played it as an adult and it became far and away my favorite in the whole franchise, so YMMV based on your tastes and potentially even your age.

>>732430587
Squenix should make a mod where they give Vaan a fucking shirt. It shouldn't be too hard, they modded zodiac age multiple times.

>>732430018
Ivalice feels too disjointed for me to care about it. Every game that supposedly takes place in it effectively has a completely different setting, and I would never assume they were connected in any way if they weren't labeled as being in Ivalice. It doesn't have any real identity of its own.

>>732431240
It's just different eras. It's supposed to be disjointed. The bronze age, ancient greece, and the renaissance all seem pretty disjointed, too.
There's a fairly clear flow from 'Ancient' Ivalice, the events of FF12, which directly lead to 'Modern' Ivalice where War of the Lions takes place.
The only outlier is FFTA, which is because it took place in a fake Ivalice to begin with.

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>>732429414
>Its probably the most popular FF game outside of FF7
Lol what? It's easily one of the *MOST* polarizing entries in the main series. Very few people actually like it. It's an incredibly boring game.

>>732431712
FFX is even more boring with it's braindead easy combat and mediocre story.

>>732431884
Final Fantasy X is a triumph of world building and attention to small details. It's also the most accessible starter final fantasy.

>>732429812
Can someone elaborate? I only played zodiac age a while ago so I don't remember my experience with it much, but I remember people praising the openness of its changes. I've been replaying all FFs in order (finished 8 the other day) and I'm unsure which version of 12 to play

>>732431945
>braindead easy combat and mediocre story
Kind of ironic saying these things about FFX when they describe FFXII to a tee. The game "playing itself" and the story being next to non-existent is what separates it from the other games in the series kek

>>732431974
zodiac age isnt open at all
original version everyone could use every weapon
in zodiac you are restricted to certain weapons for certain jobs

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>>732432189
This is actually a good thing because it at least adds some flavor to the already limp characters. I can barely ever remember that this dude is in the main party, for like, 90% of the game. He does literally nothing the other players don't do except act as a charisma void.

>>732432376
>good thing
no it isnt
the freedom to choose what you use is gone
plus zodiac age has a definitive way of getting the dev bow thing for all characerts 100%

star wars rip-off lmao

>>732432530
>the freedom to choose what you use
You still have that freedom but within the limits of the character's abilities. How the hell is that worse than just letting everyone equip whatever they want? More importantly, how does the latter actually improve the game in any meaningful way?

>>732432189
they updated zodiac age to let you pick two jobs, and then you can respec whenever you want. it's amazing. its better than the original in every way

>>732432530
You chose the characters classes, you have 100% control over who can wield what. You are just a faggot bitch.

>>732431712
Before the MMO this was the second best selling FF.

>>732432638
there is no freedom if say a ninja can only use like 5 weapons instead of welll all

>>732433223
Diablo III was one of the fastest selling games of all time at launch. Dragon's Dogma 2 managed to sell gangbusters at launch.

Do you get where I'm going with this, anon? People bought these games because of the hype, not because the game itself is good.

>>732433379
By that token if the ninja can't pull a turd out his ass and use it as a weapon then the game may as well not even exist.

>>732433629
are you mentally challenged

>>732430748
That mod exists tho? Unless u mean for console or something

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>>732429326
>No ones care about any of the waifus ( if any )

I post Penelo in every XII thread I see

also love the setting, game world, grinding for rare drops, and setting up the perfect gambits for every encounter.

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>>732433658
That's the best you can come up with for me poking a hole in your flimsy "muh freedom" logic? Here, have a free Yoko Taro

>>732429326
>No ones care about any of the waifus ( if any )
people love Fran what the hell is this neighbor talking about

FF12 is my favorite FF and I will answer any questions about it

>>732435885
Name 3 good music tracks from it

there are none

tell me which jobs should I focus on in FFX-2, I don't want waste exp and then suddenly have to grind after 30 hours

>>732436004
NTA but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flLD5H2TI3g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfFTEQqdhyk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lhqh_SYadWY

>>732433836
based fellow Penelo appreciator. she might not be the most fleshed-out character but she’s got charm, and more importantly, the ideal support role once you slot her into White Mage/Machinist.

also yeah, perfecting gambits is undeniably peak autism bliss. nothing like watching your squad auto-clear mobs like a well-oiled machine while you sit back like a smug bastard.

>>732436274
X-2 is like the piss easiest game to grind in that I honestly don't even remember how I maxed all my dresspheres. X-2 is an easy game to break. Just use what you like and give each girl their own dressphere so you can cover more areas. There might be some classes you may want every girl to have but it really depends.

>>732433685
it should be official

>>732429326
Ivalice is my favorite FF setting

>>732435885
Please explain the story to me. I lost the plot sometime around Raithwall I think. Had no idea what the fuck was going on or why I was doing anything or going where I was going after that.

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FF12 is funny because it's charming, great characters, beautiful, interesting mechanics, and should be a masterpiece

But it has the most mind numbing gameplay of all time. Even the re-releases with the fast forward button are STILL too boring to play, and I'm not exaggerating. The story is also so long, yet so shallow and so little happens or develops.

It's the perfect game... Except the bad gameplay AND the bad story. It's a bizarre one, personally I like it but I'm always surprised by just how damn braindead it is.

>>732438736
Hm. Let me see if I can break it down to the very short cliff notes.

Two really big countries are fighting a war (rosarria and archadia) and you're a little desert country in the middle (dalmasca) which gets invaded and occupied by archadia. Archadia stages a fake coup within Dalmasca which allows them to conquer it without any terms of surrender under premise of peacekeeping.
The princess of dalmasca escapes and wants to take her country back, this coincides with a bunch of immortal godlike entities called occuria. They also want Archadia to fall since the reason Archadia has been instigating a war is that the top scientist has been working with a defector occuria who has been giving secret godlike technology to mortal man a la Prometheus. The main group of occuria give a huge chunk of magicite to the princess hoping she'll use it to kill archadians en masse but the player's party in the end minimize bloodshed by instead halting the war by killing its instigators.

>>732438736
Not that anon but it's almost literally star wars a new hope 1-for-1. Scrappy rebellion versus the empire. How did that possibly lose you?

>>732429326
Excellent visuals and art direction. Excellent soundtrack too. But the story and characters are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo boring.

>>732432615
>>732439301
this is such a forced meme

>>732429414
I wonder what goes through people's heads when they post something this wrong and stupid as if it was a fact.

FF12 is one of the least popular FF games, even trash like FF13 and FF15 is more popular somehow.

It's not really a bad game though, but it is DULL to play. Once FF14 came out there was never a reason to play the slower, clunkier offline version of the exact same experience. FF14 even has FF12's characters and world IN it!

>>732429326
All FFXII sins would be forgiven if there simply was more party chemistry, banter, scenes, fun shit. Screw the boring gameplay and weak main story, I like these characters and want to vibe with them on an adventure through Ivalice but there's simply almost nothing there

>>732440935
>FF14 even has FF12's characters
who?

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>>732430114
>Ha the FF12 schizo is back.
nope. that's me.

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sex with venat

I'm having fun with gambits. Haven't gotten far enough to experiment with gambits and niche setups yet.

>>732429326
The director left like a year into development, and didn't get to do a fraction of the things he wanted to do with it.

Even sakaguchi refused to play the finished game for longer than an hour because of this, and because it turned out to be such a mess.

a reasonable discussion on FF12 has never occurred because exactly 1/2 of /v/ is glazers and the other half is haters

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>>732429326
It was my favorite Final Fantasy up until a few years ago when I replayed it for the first time since it was released. I still like a lot of stuff about it, mainly its setting, atmosphere, and cast of characters, and I still think the gambit system is solid, but I was incredibly disappointed by its story. I didn't remember it being so fucking anemic. I couldn't believe that after the credits rolled, just how little happened.

I loved the gambit system and always wished for it to return in other games in a vastly extended fashion, to actual raids even. I envisioned playing WoW by myself with a raid that is controlled through something like a gambit system, where bots do their thing based on their gambits while I have still have to do my thing. Would love that shit.

>>732429326
For me FFXII has always been the best one when it comes to gameplay. Even the plot was pretty good. My only issue was that the characters aren't as memorable. However, when it came out I didn't like the gameplay and put it down after a few hours. I waited a few months and tried it again. Then it all clicked and I have loved it ever since.

>>732429326
My opinion
>game starts out kind of slow with a lot of the cool abilities being locked to story progression
>even at its highest, combat will default to using basic attacks and buffing yourself while debuffing the enemies
>trying to 100 percent the game is perhaps one of the biggest chore in the entire series
>the characters are serviceable but nothing special with each of them kind of taking turns to move the plot along
>narrative is okay but the overall theme of the story is very heavy-handed and very black and white
>music is good but all very ambient and atmospheric with the classic melody heavy tunes being mostly absent
>the setting and environmental design is amazing, with each area feeling unique and fantastical while also being realistic enough to believe that it could exist in this world
>plenty of end-game and side contents in the forms of rare monsters and hunts, but most of it will be just finding and beating strong monsters so don’t expect any mini-games to waste your time
>the “secret” weapons will break the game, especially if you manage to outfit a whole party with them
Overall mechanically solid, a little weak in the story, but a gorgeous world and some great aesthetic choices. A solid 8/10. Worth a playthrough once and then probably never touching it again.

>>732429326
People are crazy.
FFXII is my favorite.
Giza Plains, Eruyt Village, Rabanastre, the Esper battle theme, the regular boss battle theme, the CRYSTAL...I can remember most of the OST and almost all of them are some of my all-time favs. Nobody talks about the music because they lack taste. Sakimoto is one of the best video game composers ever.

The story isn't the best, but it's not as bad as people say, and the gameplay is a lot of fun. Running around and exploring, completing the quests, discovering rare monsters and doing Hunts. It's so good. Most people probably don't even know how deep Henne Mines actually goes.

This is the first area you properly get to explore and it hits you with this shit. Incredible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoQ95gjR4sA

I quite like FF12
I wish there was more porn of Ashe and Penelo. It's pretty much all Fran

>>732429326
Tried to play through this thrice but always stop becauae its very boring and the story is even dumber than usual

>>732445653
I don't really have anything to add other than that you're my nigga anon, it's nice to see someone who also jives with it

>>732446489
Hell yeah, brother.

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>>732429326
>downloading as we speak.
Careful what you wish for; there are 3 different official versions of it.
And, yeah, they do play differently.

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>>732444695
I unironically like that, the game is about experiencing its World, not the plot.

Game is a solid 6.5/10
pretty fucking boring but it wasnt BAD

>>732447868
It's a JRPG that feels like a WRPG in its vibes and pacing.

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I thoroughly enjoyed playing Final Fantasy XII when it released in 2006.
The world was fun to experience and the music was terrific.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9qZ0xHmS5Y

>>732429326
I enjoy the game well enough, but the presentation of its story is pretty scuffed. I don't even dislike it, but it's surprisingly difficult for me to even remember the timeline of events. Even for RPG's that I disliked playing, I can at least get a generally good idea of when things happened.
>>732441352
They straight up ripped Fran's model from XII for a character in the SB Alliance Raid storyline. Her case is particularly notable since she appeared before viera were even a selectable race for the player to start with.

>>732429326
Xbox version allows the degenerate zodiac job system to be turned off, the original played instead. And has 60fps. I think. At least on series X.

PS2 version still probably better. The one I played. It's unplayable on PS4.

Would be ok in an emulator maybe. Texture filtering turned off.

It's the best FF, but 8 & 7 & even 2 (4) are good too. I like Strangers of Paradise's overworld music but the game is corridoors. And loses all charm after having to repeat sections due to not saving progress from demo and changing difficulty. Can save progress on PS4 & 5 from demo, just have to select so when paying for a ps+ scam.

Also the game can't be played with supersampling on the PS4pro because it lags or something. Something goes wrong.

>>732444695
>It was my favorite Final Fantasy up until a few years ago when I replayed it for the first time since it was released.
If you played TZA instead of the original, you didn't play the game. Unironically.

>>732430018
Second only to vanadiel.

>>732429326
matsuno slop and dogshit.

>>732450286
I've beaten the original, IZJS, and TZA several times and vanilla is the worst of the 3 by far, you lose all the added content, have the least QoL, and are incentivized to ignore significant chunks of the game such as 90% of all weapon types

>>732450662
>you lose all the added content, have the least QoL, and are incentivized to ignore significant chunks of the game such as 90% of all weapon types
this is how i know you are lying. the qol is literally nothing. there is no substantial added content and all the important end game weapons are there. i would never expect people to be so stubborn about this.

>>732429326
>Was it really that forgettable
Yes.

>>732450808
>the qol is literally nothing. there is no substantial added content
You are a huge lying shitposter cunt, you faggot

>>732450808
what the fuck do you mean the QoL is nothing? You lose speedup, you lose quicksave, you lose added gambits, you lose treasure chest cycling after 1 screen transition. You're the stubborn one if you just take stuff that affects literally all gameplay and insist it doesn't matter.
You also lose all trial mode which is a lot of fun.
>all the important end game weapons are there
??? Almost every endgame weapon in IZJS/TZA wasn't in vanilla. Also it's weird to ignore the early middle game since that's 95% of the game.

And my point was that the original allows you to skip interfacing with whole weapon types like crossbows or knives because the game just rewards ninja sword or katana spam. The balance of the original is terrible and it's made much worse by the singular license board

Are there any other good games that are like programmable autobattlers?

>>732429326
>I am going through the games I missed playing when I was younger
You mean you're scraping the barrel for the most casual slop of the past

This game was trash.

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I was filtered as a kid by this fucking grass bitch

>>732451226
I have a question regarding thw combat

Pirated it on my deck and played for like 30min, but man the combat seemed kinda bland.. you just stand there and trade hits, theres no guard, and early on u just have the basic ass attack <_<??

Does it get better or is this it desu?

>>732429326
12 is easily the “highest brow” FF on par with the aesthetic fever dream that is 8

>>732447868
Eh... on the one hand the world is detailed. Like autistically detailed. On the other hand though there's barely any character moments in this game which is probably why FF12 is always put on the back burner. There's very few to latch onto.

>>732451889
ironically one of very few skippable bosses in the main game

>>732451934
you just described 90% of all RPG combat
The thing about FF12 is it's, love it or hate it, the "natural endstate of RPG combat"
In a normal JRPG, you just spam attack. If you're low HP, you heal then go back to spamming attack. If the enemy is weak to fire, you cast fire

In FF12 you're a programmer. You program your character to "if low HP > heal, if enemy walk to fire > cast fire, else attack"
Then when you're going around your chars will automatically do these things.
The combat is more a puzzle system with the game trying to find different things to throw at you to force you to expand your programming. Of course you can just queue everything up manually but you're controlling 3 chars so it's designed for you to use the programming

Anyway yes it does get better as you get more options but it's a very divisive combat system due to how passive it is once you've made a good setup

>>732429326
No one talks about it because it's a boring piece of shit

>>732429326
>Was it really that forgettable downloading as we speak.
yes.
it's fucking awful
no character in that game is good except for balthier, and the game is so mind-numbingly boring and needs to be played at super-speed.

the story sucks as well
I tried to revisit it when ff tactics recently re-released, and it's still a shit game.

>>732451226
>You lose speedup, you lose quicksave
speed up only makes sense because TZA is piss easy you need something to speed it up. anyone can play OG with speed up on the emulator but you don't need it because you actually have to play the game.
>>732451226
>it's made much worse by the singular license board
does a single license board make PoE worse?

>>732438736
foreign country invades dalmasca
Ashe is pissed so she goes to collect some magic stones that are functionally nukes.
Ashe eventually gets convinced that maybe nuking half the country is a bad idea.
"why don't we just beat the king to death with regular rocks instead?"
and then you beat the king to death with regular rocks instead

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>>732452219
I was not a bright child- when I played the game as an adult and realized you could just run around past it through the Feywood I had to take a break to walk it off lol

>>732433379
I really do think more jobs should be able to equip at least some other weapons, like let foebreaker use a spear or two, or let black mage use a couple maces in addition to staves, or let knight use a crossbow, and samurai use a bow or two
Using ALL weapons is just cheap, that's not even a job system anymore

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Thoughts on a hypothetical game with Xenoblade's combat, but FF12's party building?
Also, I can't believe that 13 got multiple sequels, but 12 got pretty much nothing. The ending of 12 had a lot of ways they could have taken the story.
>Ashe rebuilding the kingdom
>Assassination attempts on Larsa
>The general setting itself

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>>732451934
>but man the combat seemed kinda bland..
>Does it get better or is this it desu?
it's beyond bland. you are ridiculously overpowered throughout the game. and it only gets worse. the anon you asked is a TZA fag. guys like that played the worse edition and they are always double down because they are too stubborn to admit they bought the worse one. coping with a fast forward QoL function is the most ironic thing ever because it admits that edition is boring as fuck and needs a fast forward.

The OG is also practically free on the emulator. Just try it and you will experience the best modern FF.

>>732440440
You don't understand, Star Wars invented the Hero's Journey, George Lucas came up with the concept known as "story"

>>732451934
>ou just stand there and trade hits, theres no guard, and early on u just have the basic ass attack <_<??
You've just described nearly all combat in this genre.

I'm not joking.

>>732429985
I still don’t get how X is always mentioned as one of the greats. Im currently replaying it and the storytelling is so extremely vague and bad, in an anime way. Im trying to view it as someone who never played it before, and how tf are you supposed to figure out the whole fayth and dream zanarkand shit? Also the mc gets thrown into a completely alien world, finallly meets someone he knows from his own world (auron) and they never have a sitdown or talk about wtf is going on? Im done with pretending this game makes any sense, even ff8 is a waaaaay better game

it was experimental at the time when MMO's were starting to kick off. but it wasn't one.
and as such, the combat just fuckin sucks man.

>>732445249
>so don’t expect any mini-games to waste your time
fuck fishing in any game, especially in ffxii, I had half my controls rebound but the game does not update to reflect your keybinds so if it says "Press x to catch fish" and you press the x button then it'll fail because you rebound your x button, dumbass. So I reset all the bindings, and lo and behold, the x and y button prompt are still fucking swapped anyways despite being the fucking defaults bindings. stupid fucking vidoe game, I hate fishing

>>732447426
just get the Zodiac Age and then download the rebalance mods

>>732452698
fast forward is optional so it makes no sense to bash the game for including it and I listed 3 other QoL features you ignored
The original is also significantly easier than IZJS so IDK why you keep insisting the original is easier. TZA is easier than IZJS but is still harder than the original until the endgame since it does a better job locking lategame skills and weapons TO the lategame, and the only reason it's eventually easier is because you have things like breaker skills actually working on bosses when every technique but charge is useless in the original (again, terrible balance).

Hell, probably the single most notorious thing about vanilla FF12 is the fact that you can get the single strongest weapon in the game about 1/4 of the way into it for free. Vanilla is much much easier to break than IZJS and TZA are for other reasons too like reflect>AoE spam

zodiac age is the best one. the base game has absolutely no structure to it.
but even in the ZA, it still doesn't solve the problems.

techs are useless.
summons are useless.
quickenings are button mashers, and the finishers on them are just a bland mess of colors.
among a host of other problems like the useless gambit system; that if worked would just make the game even more boring and have it play itself.

>>732452992
>just get the Zodiac Age and then download the rebalance mods
>TZA is better
>...just get the mods
so it's the steamie master racers that shill for this version so hard. literally everyone who plays this game says it's boring but you guys will defend it to your grave.

>>732451934
you get to do gearswapping and AoE reflect shenanigans in some of the later fights, but that's about the extent of the combat

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>>732452487
You've glossed over the entire subplot of
>using "nukes" allows the spiritual GODS (Occuria) to physically control all life in Ivalice
>refusing to use "nukes" singelhandedly defies the spiritual GODS (Occuria) from gaining any physical control, anymore
>They hate that
When Ashe was being promised to become Ashelia B'nargin Dalmasca DYNAST QUEEN, if she used the Crysts, the Occuria maintain their rule.
When Ashe matures and refuses, the Occuria freak out and spiral into powerlessness.

I say "subplot" but it's the entire reason for the actions and events in FFXII.

>>732429326
Game would be 10x better if Vann and Penelo were removed and they added in Bangaa and Seeq party members

>>732432189
>>732432530
>>732433379
One of the most common complaints with the original was that everyone could do everything, which led to some characters being downright less useful overall. By giving characters specific job paths it differentiates their skill sets and makes them feel more unique. The change is one of the most praised aspects of the rework and yet your contrarian ass is so fucking autistic you don't like it. This is largely an issue with being a fucking retard.

>>732452789
>and how tf are you supposed to figure out the whole fayth and dream zanarkand shit?

The Fayth just... tells you?

>Fayth: Long ago, there was a war.
>Tidus: Yeah, with machina, right?
>Fayth: Yes. A war between Zanarkand and Bevelle. Bevelle’s machina assured their victory from the start. Spira had never seen such power. The summoners of Zanarkand didn’t stand a chance. Zanarkand was doomed to oblivion. That’s why we tried to save it–if only in a memory.
>Tidus: What did you do?
>Fayth: The remaining summoners and the townspeople that survived the war… They all became fayth– fayth for the summoning.
>Tidus: The summoning… You mean Sin?
>Fayth: No. I mean this place. A Zanarkand that never sleeps.
>Tidus: What?
>Fayth: The dreams of the fayth summoned the memories of the city. They summoned all the buildings, all the people who lived there.
>Tidus: The people… What, they’re all dreams? Me, too?
>Fayth: Yes, you’re a dream of the fayth. You, your father, your mother, everyone. All dreams. And if the fayth stop dreaming…

>>732453192
>"I played FF12 TZA and found it boring"
>"you should play the slower version with less content"
???

>>732453192
>/v/ is one person
Come on now.
TZA fucked up the balance by increasing stats on all the weapons and armors, making it even easier to beat the game. TZA is also the best one to get because it's the easiest to obtain, and lets you download mods to change the difficulty. The Struggle for Freedom mod actually makes the game difficult and all the TZA adjustments work well with it.

also the stat system is fucking stupid.
it doesn't tell you what stats get changed with each gear you pick up, before you buy the gear.
also there is no clear way to see the stat progression on the characters either (and what they might be good/bad at), so it feels like each level up is a meaningless +1 to stats.

in the base game, where you didn't have 3x the mana in ZA, it made sense entirely to just give everyone cura and shit and then just spam when necessary. so no one really felt unique because mana was locked behind quickenings.

>>732453249
This
Fran was just a worse Vaan in the original

>>732453096
>to bash the game
lol you are literally telling me a positive about TZA is that it solves a problem IT INTRODUCES ITSELF
>I listed 3 other QoL features you ignored
those are even more meaningless.
>The original is also significantly easier
no one in this thread believes you played the game
>can get the
key word can. we both know you are sperging out of your ass. i was there in 2011 when we played IZJS with an english patch. we've known that the different job selection breaks the game for literally 15 years. it's the definition of sounds good, doesn't work.

Okay here is the ultimate mainline review:
>ff1: boring
>ff2: boring, and really confusing
>ff3: meh
>ff4: good, finally some story
>ff5: good, great story
>ff6: fantastic game
>ff7: brilliant
>ff8: brilliant
>ff9: brilliant
>ff10: good, but felt like a downgrade
>ff10-2: meh, but kinda fun
>ff12: okay, doesn’t really feel like ff
>ff13: shit story, fun battle system
>ff13-2: shit story, fun mission system
>ff13-3: slop
>ff15: pure weeb shit
>ff16: okayish, but feels like some ubisoft jrpg light

>>732453208
I tried simplifying it as much as possible, sorry

>>732429326
Had my favorite version of the FF theme ever.

>>732453545
>skipping 11 and 14
D-
see me after class

>>732453319
>with less content
It absolutely doesn't have less content. As with the x2 speed up, it introduces items to fix the problems it creates.
>>732453418
>it's the easiest to obtain
Called it, it's PC weebs that defend TZA to the grave because it's on steam. The OG is way easier to get, just download the iso. boom done. It's not about difficulty, it's about balance.

>>732453718
>dealing with pcsx2
steam (and switch) just werks bro, also mods (switch doesn't have mods)

>>732453505
FF12 taking forever to get across maps or fight enemies is not a problem TZA introduces and the speedup key fixes it. You literally recommended emulator speedup a minute ago
And yeah the original is significantly easier than IZJS and TZA because you can literally have every single character doing the most optimal things, hell I only used 3 chars in my vanilla runs because outside zodiark having a 1/27 to kill your whole team in one attack there's no incentive to train a backup team.

>you didn't play the game
this is really pathetic cope for facing someone who doesn't agree with you. "the only way someone could possibly disagree with me is because they're lying" is something I'd expect from a small child. I obviously beat it repeatedly.

>>732453418
>by increasing stats on all the weapons and armors
im sure you are copy pasting what you read. the problem is that the original feels like a monster hunter game at post end content which is by far its best feature. TZA ruins that. If you played hunts like Yizmat and Omega in the original you'd know. There's a tone of strategy involved not just stats.

>>732453897
Not really. It was even easier in the original since all my characters could simultaneously heal, buff the party, and debuff Omega and Yiazmat.

>>732429326
I also played this game for the first time a couple of months ago after missing out when It came out. I liked it but everything feels so…forgetable? The characters are bland, and the battle system is annoying. How did people react when this game came out? Was it hated?

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>>732453897
that's literally what they did
https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_XII_armor
https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_XII_armor/Original
you just straight up take less damage now in TZA

>>732454081
The mainline FF before this that wasn’t an MMO was FFX, which was widely beloved. This was pretty much a complete 180 from FFX in terms of almost every aspect of the game. Needless to say, it wasn’t very well received. I mean, people say they liked it, but it was more of paying respect to the pedigree than anything since the game was quickly forgotten. Yes, there used to be a time when the name Final Fantasy demanded respect.

>>732453837
>You literally recommended emulator speedup a minute ago
no, i didn't recommend it. i said the emulator HAS speed up and you can try it but you don't need it. why on earth are you so stubborn.
>have every single character doing the most optimal things
PoE also has the same license board for all characters, it's the same thing. you literally repeat a 20 year old meme. your characters have different stats. you can't say they are optimal if you use Basch as a mage.
> there's no incentive to train a backup team.
you didn't play the game
>this is really pathetic cope
you say many words but im right. TZA is objectively broken but you defend it because it's on steam.

>>732429326
>Was it really that forgettable
I think tim rogers gave it action button's GOTY award for that year. And im pretty sure he wrote one of his 100 thousand word reviews about it too.

You'll have to dig through wayback archive to find that content these days though.

>>732452789
I will never understand how people find the story of X confusing, vague, incoherent or in any way obtuse. It is one of the most straight forward stories in the franchise. Everything is being explained and resolved in the end. Everything is very clear.

>>732429326
My opinion of it is that it should have been a separate franchise specifically about Ivalice and should have spawned its own very successful series of games. It's my favorite FF, but I don't disagree with anons who say it doesn't belong in the FF family tree at all. VII/VIII/IX/X perfected the formula and they've steered too far away from those. XII was a huge desperate, but also a magnificent game. FF needs teen angst and mopey melodrama, and XII had none of it.

>>732454081
The combat was even worse when it came out, they had to make a re-release to “fix” the combat and even then it was still the same system, just the job system was way better. XII’s vanilla upgrade board was so lame, everyone had the same one.

>>732453897
>>732454193
they actually reduced the damage on a bunch of low level weapons but allowed you to access them much earlier, instead of ALL after Raithwall's tomb. But then they increased most of the end game gear by a few points. Most of the midgame weapons are unchanged

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>>732429326
>OP has Alzheimer
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/image/FSiZ8xvXyBeKGE5x05c2Lg/

>>732454193
>that's literally what they did
lol it took me a while to understand why you posted something so retarded.
i didn't say they they didn't change the stats. i implied that's a just a part of ruining the balance. bro i've been having this conversation for literally 15 fucking years with IZJS fags. and you TZA fags are even more clueless.

>>732454353
FF has always had the problem of great narrative failed by dialogues of varying quality. Great dialogue can make a shitty narrative seem better than it is. It’s why so many people glaze Witcher 3’s story when in actuality, they just mean the dialogue is well written because the actual narrative is shit. The inverse is true as well and FFX has an amazing narrative and theme but the clunky dialogue makes a lot of people zone out so they miss key plot details.

>>732454512
>im sure you are copy pasting what you read
I took this as a statement arguing against what I said earlier.

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>>732453208
>A bunch of kids kill God
>again
>and then everyone clapped

>>732454353
>Everything is being explained and resolved in the end
>in the end
I hate this anime trope of telling a story, but leaving out key details until the end. This is not good storytelling, its only done to keep your attention to the end of the game/show

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>>732454803
no, you kill a guy being controlled by the gods, very different

>>732453485
?
fran is the singular best unit due to the insane frame data on her attack animations

What exactly is worse about the combat in this particular game? It is the same wait for bar to fill --> pick action --> repeat thing that the other games have.

>>732454389
>The combat was even worse when it came out
wrong. people back then complained but several things, like how it changed from previous games and alienated old school FF gamers.
>hey had to make a re-release to “fix” the combat
nope. they made a japan only version, to appeal to the Japanese audience because letting players chose classes SOUNDED more akin to past games. but there was nothing to fix.
>XII’s vanilla upgrade board was so lame, everyone had the same one.
This is the very reason everyone has been sperging about the board system for 20 years: yes, it sounds lame. But it's literally thing with the license system in PoE. You don't really unlock everything throughout the game, not until the very post end content at least. You chose a direction to follow. But anons just cried about losing classes and Square made a half assed version that low key breaks the game. And TZA is even worse. It's the definition of "sounds better, doesn't work".
>>732454615
>I took this as a statement
lol I KNOW! i've been reading the same copy pasted stubborn shit for fucking eons. it's a giveaway you didn't play the game.

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>>732454967
>the second slowest character in the game

>>732454908
Is the same shit, humans defy Gods story, we have heard for 200 years now

>>732455056
>But it's literally the same thing with the license system in PoE
completely different fucking games, and doesn't change the fact you can just give everyone Curaga, heavy armor, magic hats, and scathe easily by the midpoint of the game

>>732455083
you forgot that there is only one endgame weapon and that is whale whisker.

>>732452789
Tell us you're dumb without telling us you're dumb

>>732455325
what about muh kumbha

>>732455002
Most actions besides attack takes so long or has a longer cooldown to the point where just spamming attack will out damage anything unless you need to AoE something. This means most skills are used to help your attack instead of being actually useful on their own. Some are but only in very niche situation, like farming or enemies with specific weaknesses or defenses. Add to the fact that the AI will always be faster than humans, and the game heavily encourages you to put most of your thinking on creating a good script and playing on autopilot, only taking control for some hard fights. It’s not bad but it just seems like the game encourages the most repetitive style of play.

>>732453545
>ff9: brilliant

Y'know it's funny for the longest time as I could remember online, you were basically asking to be made fun of if you spoke positively on 9 and I feel like that shifted a bit by later 2000s-early 10s when people went back and realized how much it had going on. I guess part of it was sandwiched between 7,8, 10 where people felt it was too kiddie looking and therefore not good.

>>732455590
In truth none of the FF games were ever bad. Even the pest ones are still pretty good. It’s just that people who cared strongly about it moved on and the only people left who cared enough to talk about it were the ones that liked it.

>>732455305
>easily by the midpoint of the game
this is a lie.
>Curaga
you don't see classes but the characters are in fact different. you waste a turn making basche cast Curaga. literally nothing you say will ever change the fact that choosing classes in FF XII is an afterthought. sounds good, doesn't work.

>>732455527
>the AI will always be faster than humans
gearswapping to reset your animations is actually faster than the AI. Also queueing up actions is a few frames faster than letting the gambits do their thing

>>732455590
IX is Theater Kids: The Game. It literally begins and ends with a stage performance. It's as gay as it gets, and anyone who says IX is their favorite is some flavor of faggot.

>>732455727
>a few frames
bruh

>>732455708
Oh no! Basch cures for 2000 instead of 2400! How unfortunate! If only there was a way to increase magic skill! Like wearing fucking Mage robes or something! Too bad this game doesn't allow melee attackers to wear mage robes! Oh wait! it does! Because the job system fucking sucks!

>>732455305
As opposed to giving everyone +3000 HP, double action speed and 4x casting speed, and +110% multiplicative attack and magic power scaling by the time you get to the tomb of raithwall?

>>732455878
that's why I download MODS to make the experience HARDER because neither ORIGINAL nor IZJS nor TZA are more difficult than a fucking FLY COCK
I can beat this game with my fucking EYES CLOSED it's so PISS EASY

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>>732455852
>Oh wait! it does!
show me where the license for that rob is and tell me if it makes sense for Basch to unlock that path. i told i have had this discussion for 15 years. you weirdos become super stubborn and will defend your broken game to the grave.

>>732429326
the main creator got a burn out and left the project

he made SOUL games like FFT and Vagrant Story. This game takes place in that universe. The universe is the very best of Squaresoft. But once he fucked off, the game became a made by committee-product. It will always be regarded as 'That FF game'. The one with wasted potential. It's not terrible. It has moments of goodness. It's just a fizzled-out piece of work and that's the realisation you'll experience the longer you play it. Sad.

>>732455147
Which is one of my gripes with the game. The narrative is very black and white. At its core, it’s about doing what is right vs doing one’s duty. Ashe must choose between doing what is right and freeing humanity from the Occurians or doing her duty and taking reign as the ruler. But she never has to make any sacrifices and everything goes her way in the end. Meanwhile, everyone who chooses duty over doing the right thing, Gabranth for example, dies or is punished for it. Larsa chooses to do the right thing over his duty to the empire and he makes out okay too. Ashe even becomes ruler in the end. There’s just no nuance and has a clear bad guys are bad because they just are message to it. Despite how the game tries to take a much more mature approach to how the story plays out, its theme and moral lessons are all very basic.

>>732455667
True true. Even as a total brain off game X-2 and the lightning sequels I'll fart around on as a time waster. It's not riveting stuff but that's alright

I like the Esper fights but the game turning into Star Wars periodically gets a little meh. I did just like how much they jammed into the game though, felt like there was a good amount of shit to do

>>732456029
FFX and FF13 are the last “true” final fantasy built from the ground up to be final fantasy. 11 and 14 were MMO’s. Then they saw that FFT was popular and asked the guy in charge to make a mainline FF and we got 12. Then they saw that Kingdom Hearts was popular and asked that guy to make a mainline FF and we got 15. Then they saw that the MMO was popular and asked that guy to make a mainline FF and we got 16.

>>732456192
>FF13 are the last “true” final fantasy built from the ground up to be final fantasy.
Im not going to defend 13. it has the worse 15 first hours of any game ever. but i did have fun trying to get 5 stars from all the end game hunts. i stil remember the titan. good stuff.

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>>732456020
what's it like being wrong for 15 years?
why don't you show me where the magic robe license is on this board and let me know how well you can cast curaga as a shikari

>>732456180
I just wish they did more in combat. The actual battle themselves were fun because they had restrictions placed on the combat, but once you unlocked them you realize how shit they were and it was better to just use your own party.

>>732456291
>melty
hahaha, i refuse to believe i converted you into a IZJS fag in order to cope.

>>732456289
It still influences the games in the series today, by introducing a stagger mechanic and queueing up multiple commands at once. As much as people hate on it, 13’s DNA can be felt in every modern final fantasy.

>>732456180
>turning into Star Wars periodically
I too remember the time where our main characters dressed up as imperial army members and infiltrated the dreadnaught and got caught in the trash compactor
I too remember the time where Basch heroically sacrifices himself against Vayne Solidor to teach Vaan a lesson in the occuria magic
I too remember the time when Vaan left the party for an entire third of the game to go learn from the Nu'Mou in the jungles of Golmore
I too remember the time when C3-Penelo and [conveniently ignoring R2D2] had to deliver the secret plans for the Dreadnought's port hole that then they blow up using the occuria magic
I too remember how Princess Leia was a powerhungry maniac who wanted to control the force for her own and blow up planets
I too remember how Luke did literally nothing for the entirety of the movie
I too remember how Obi-wan Kenobi's brother was actually the one heading the fake coup attempt of Princess Leia's planet
I watched Star Wars and I played FFXII and they're literally the exact same story

>>732456289
God I hate that slog of 13 and then you get to Australia and it's like what the fuck am I playing, I can actually run around and go places and fight critters? The party system stuff I could be whatever towards with the little roles but eh I get what they were trying to do for times

>>732456409
I told you already dude, I play with mods to make the game harder

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I purchased the FFXII sequel "Revenent Wings" for the Nintendo DS and loved it. Easily put 100 hours into it.
It was like playing isometric Fire Emblem.

>>732456714
Ahem Bunny Girl Chewbacca and not-Han Solo space pirate?

>>732456772
Invite the guy over to come check it out, I think you guys need to settle this in person.

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>>732456874
just us guys
our two fat cocks
little bit of oil

>>732456714
>>732456818
Not to mention orphan boy who dreams of being a pilot, the charismatic gun-toting space pirate and his non-human pilot who uses a bow, the evil empire with the helmeted henchman with the cool voice who is fighting his own loyalties.

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>>732456772
>I play with mods
you didn't play the game.

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>>732456806
Nice too find another Revenent Wings enjoyer in the wild, I only emulated it though.

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>>732456818
>>732457004
Oh yeah, how could I forget the part when Chewbaca could detect overwhelming force powers, and that time when he went berserk due to too many force powers
and that part where Han Solo was actually a minister for the Empire and his dad was being controlled by the force gods
And that time when Vaan was secretly the son of Vayne and could control the occuria magic the best in the galaxy
and the 5 darth vaders where one of them betrays the empire and dies because of it
asethetically similar (if you squint), but nothing about their stories have anything to do with one another

>>732451226
>You lose the ADHD filter speed up mode fr fr 67 bombadiro crocadiro
Please kill yourself

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>>732452789
>and how tf are you supposed to figure out the whole fayth and dream zanarkand shit?
Bahamut (the small boy FAYTH) explicitly tells you.
So does Auron.
And the Grand Maesters.
And Seymour.
They all tell you
>Fayth are living souls
>they are the statues you pray to in the temples
>Fayth create summons
>the snowy mountain cliffside? All Fayth.
>Zanarkand is a summon that Fayth created.
>SIN? It's a summon.
>Yevon? He's SIN's Fayth. Yevon went insane and turned himself into a Fayth and is now summoning SIN.
>He's been doing that for about 1000 years, now.
>If you kill SIN, Yevon is just going to possess whatever summon that killed it and, like the immortal Phoenix, will simply resurrect SIN.
>The time in-between resurrections is called "Calm" and the time is random, and shorter, ranging from hundreds of years to less than a decade.

The game explicitly tells you all this information.

>>732456714
>Vaan left the party for an entire third of the game to go learn from the Nu'Mou in the jungles of Golmore
This would have been interesting
>C3-Penelo
C3-PenelO

>>732440935
>It's not really a bad game though, but it is DULL to play
Maybe if you're an ADHD sperg who NEEDS to select "attack" from a menu every couple of seconds.
As far as I'm concerned, XII has the perfect combat system for JRPGs - trash fights are fast and easy and in difficult ones everything matters, your stats, gear, positioning, the way you programmed your gambits etc

>le game plays itself
He says after stealing other people's gambit setups online he never would have figured out himself

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>>732457157
Yeah, I bought it when I was finishing college and sometimes I would literally drive to campus decide
>...I don't feel like going to class.
>I'll just sit in my car and play my Nintendo, instead.

>>732457242
You didn’t read the EU? That’s on you, anon. Every Star Wars fan knows about the 5 Darth Vaders and how force sensitive Chewie was.

>>732457334
>dead ally [phoenix down]
>negative status effect [remedy]
>ally <50% [curaga]
>fire weak [oil]
>enemy oiled [fire]
>ice weak [blizzard]
>thunder weak [thunder]
>party leader's target [attack]
woooow., so difficult

I always give up after rescuing Basch. Problem is when I was younger I 100% the game like 3 times

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>>732456874
>to settle this
there's nothing to settle since all new players literally say how boring tza is. playing tza is the best sales pitch for emulating the original.

>>732457472
FUCK, how could I have forgotten those! I even read those when I was a kid!

>>732457334
What’s there to figure out
>im tired of clicking attack all the time
>setup auto attack
>im tired of healing
>set up auto heal
>these guys are flying
>set up to use spells on flyers
>oh wait, things changed
>adjust gambits as necessary
Are you fuckers really so retarded you have to look up which gambits to use?

I wish 12 was a 1:1 star wars rip off. Then Vaan would at least be plot relevant.

>>732457157
My play order has been
FFTA -> FFT War of the Lion -> FFXII->FFXIIRW

>>732453551
Oh, no, my fault. Sorry.

>>732457549
>all new players literally say how boring tza is
bitches were complaining about how boring the original was 20 fucking years ago too. XII is just a boring game regardless of the bells and whistles you stick on it

>>732456437
I'm playing the XIII trilogy right now for the first time, I'm actually enjoying it for what it is, despite seeing all the flaws. The FFVII Remakes do feel like sequels to it in a way. I kinda wish they had kept stagger mechanic to these games though.

>>732429812
There's a number of mods that switch up the job system in different ways. I played The Planetary Age a few months ago and it was great. They added a blue mage class, they had an interesting take on an alchemist, and there was a bard class that was super useful.

>>732457573
This only works if you haven't actually played FF12 and the last time you've watched star wars was 3 decades ago as a kid

>>732457623
No, it's all on me, I'm really sorry you had to go through that

>>732457771
shhhh, just accept it blindly without looking too deep into it

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>>732457649
>bitches were complaining about how boring the original was 20 fucking years ago too
gamers were complaining about how different it was. it's not hard to understand that.
>XII is just a boring game
i can respect not liking the game. i just can't accept defending a broken remaster by falsely claiming it fixes the initial reception.

>>732457870
I can agree with that

>>732440935
FF14's gameplay fucking sucks once you get into dungeons and bosses
the floor is lava simon says bullshit while looping your rotation. genuinely the worst shit in gaming I've ever experienced

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>>732454803
More like, "abandon worshipping their gods" which simply results in the gods saying "roflmao, you're heading for thousands of years of depression, now. Bye; we aren't coming back."
>But Venat said-
!

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>>732454908
He and Venat are pals.

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>>732457947
I like the multiplayer rhythm game of xiv. I think it's nice.

>>732453208
Is that why things are so shitty in FFT

what are you talking about? this game gave us the legendary single vaan staring at couples threads. god I hope I don't miss it this year

>>732458128
I think this is the one thing we can all agree on here

>tza
I find it absolutely insane that one will waste 100 fucking hours on a game based on some rando's mod bullshit, instead of experiencing one of the most unique jrpgs ever because of a misconception about the license board.

>>732457242
The judges are so GODDAMN cool

>>732457004
Did he live in a middle-eastern desert town?

>>732458256
I have Order of Ambrosia'd all versions and played the Original thrice, IZJS twice, TZA five times (NG- twice), Struggle for Freedom twice, a randomizer four times, and made my own fucked up balance mod
I like FFXII regardless of its version

>>732458492
He fucking did.

>>732458492
Vaan lives in the sewers of Bharat

>>732458396
Yeah, them being giant nothingburgers is probably what stung the most about FFXII’s plot

>>732458510
>I like FFXII regardless of its version
true story. im playing TZA day one on my PS4 super excited because i remember loving the game when i was a kid. i literally 100% it and feel great about myself. im thinking bro im so much better at video games know because i distinctly remember so many bosses giving me a hard time on the ps2. come to 4chans to brag about destroying yiazmat. "the game is a lot easier dude" mfw.

>>732458838
>mfw
>no face
Perfect conclusion to a bot post.

>>732457791
You made the right call to simplify the storyline for the sake of 4chan, I promise. I was just being terse, looking for a reason to include some discussion on a topic I enjoy. It's still fun, regardless.

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>>732458735
>they are bad because of my expectations from the crack pipe
ok anon

>>732457870
Nah it was fucking boring

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>>732458932
i meant to post this. lol

>>732458932
>>732458932
HE TOOK HIS FACE...
...
...
...
...OFF

>>732429326
this is the best mainline ff imo

they kind of fucked it up but the matsuno core is better than anything the other mainline ffs have

>>732458069
Yup.
Many centuries after FF12, nearly apocalyptic cataclysms befall Ivalice, practically wiping out all cultures. FFT is still recovering from that.

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>>732458651
>>732458668
I wonder if the soundtrack is like listening to John Williams...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWiHFunDwKU

>>732459290
I really don't like any of the remastered music, I don't know what it is about it, I just think they're worse

>>732459412
butchering the battle theme made me so mad

>>732458735
It's been a while since I played it. I remember some being nothingburgers but some were kino
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9udy1g-Km4
Looking at the boss fights again they needed some flashier special attacks from the bosses like in other FF titles

>>732459412
>>732459691
Is there a mod to have all the original songs back, and can it be used with SFF mod?

>>732458510
KING gamer, I kneel. I only ever beat FF12 original once. Do I go for IZJS, TZA, or SFF for a replay?

>>732459924
>Is there a mod
>he is still here

>>732459412
>>732459691
I'll be honest, I can't say I've listened to the "remaster" OST, so I don't know what's changed.
I included that youtube link since it was the first result that kept the track I was searching for; I don't know which version it was.

>>732459924
there's an option in the menu that gives all your original songs back, you don't even need a mod

>>732460201
that's the original version, I just felt like complaining for no reason

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>>732430114
>he makes this thread with a disingenuous OP every week to try baiting out conversation.
just came back to the thread. I am not him. I was genuinely interested. I am a big fan of the other FFs but never got around to playing this and 15

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>>732460635
/v/ is one person, you can't fool me

>>732457573
I never watched onions Wars so this doesn't affect me

>>732457573
>jew
>charismatic
Stopped reading there.

>>732460635
>I am not him.
it's not him. THE xii schizo is a TZA stan and he always gets told off and he gets mad.

>>732460785
he's a space jew

>>732460828
Even worse.

>>732445653
Excellent writeup, fully agreed. FFXII is such a beautiful, engrossing game. The fact it gets so maligned and FFX, which is such a barebones, ugly, technically inferior installment in comparison, gets praised just goes to show how shit the everyman's taste is. Play the two games in 2026, where FFXII lets you explore a gorgeous, interconnected world to scale, with varied locales and monsters and discoverables, and X has hallways selected from a menu list where you hear glass shatter and have random encounters every 5 steps...it's honestly laughable to compare the two.

>>732429985
FFXII never had a bad reception. Look up the critic reviews, 90+ across the board, universal praise.

>>732461141
>reviews
I can take a shit with better critical thought than those nitwits. You look at /v/ archives and you'll get people complaining about how boring the game is playing itself ever since /v/ was created

>>732448806
Honestly, this one flew under the radar for me back then. When X and X-2 came out, that's literally all everyone talked about (for years).

I didn't really get to appreciate many of the games at the end of the PS2's life but I did pick up the Zodiac Age and really enjoyed it but damn did that game just drag on.

>>732429326
Maybe im not far enough into the game yet, but so far i can't help but feel Larsa would be a lot more interesting as a protagonist. Idk.

>>732429326
The game is at it's best when you are doing optional content. An RPG that is just hunts, espers, and cool locations discovered through exploration and puzzles would be better than the fantasy star wars style plot they attempted.

Larsa as MC would have been far better for the plot if they wanted to keep that.

>>732461301
Wait, you mean to tell me a contrarian board filled with tryhard teenage retards complained about FFXII? That's fucking crazy. You think that may also be the case for every game in existence posted here? lmao @ your IQ

>>732461707
correct, no game is without sin

>>732461534
Literally ANYONE ELSE would be more interesting

>>732461750
>correct, no game is without sin
doesn't change the fact that /v/ has always been dishonest engagement bait.
all the mmo, starwars, license board bs were intentionally misleading ragebait because anons just hated the fact that it was different from the ATB and turn based games.
i remember the same thing with Death Stranding when it was PS4 exclusive. anons hated the exclusivity and cried walk sim 24/7 when in fact it was another stealth game.

>>732457242


Yes if we include Chewbacca's family life from the Holiday Special. Still checks out. Fran could have a weird midget son or daughter that was cut but made an app in the rare art booklet, Japan only of course.

>>732453249
>One of the most common complaints with the original was that everyone could do everything

It's a valid complaint, one of the worst things about the original. They should have had more differentiation. Maybe block off higher tier abilities once someone picks them? I thought that would be an elegant solution since they even had the mechanism for it already with the espers being 1 person only.

However, the class system in the zodiac version makes the game piss easy and incredibly boring as a result, so it's actually a worse game even though the classes and the strategy with using espers to unlock unreachable nodes were cool in theory. Something like a monk gets all the strength and HP nodes right next to where they start, just braindead combats from the very beginning to the end of the game.

The original is actually reasonably challenging, and a way more fun as a result. Especially on an emulator.

>>732462770
I wanted to make my own job boards and mess around with locking more things behind espers, but I'm fucking retarded and can't even figure out the dedicated board modifier plugin

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>>732458942
>expectations from the crack pipe
What in the mother fuck are you babbling about lmao. Are you the same guy who calls people benzo users or SSRI users? It's always so painfully obvious when someone who has never used drugs before tries to use them as an insult.

>FFXII enjoyer is also the kind of guy who doesn't understand how drugs work
Imagine my shock. Seriously, just try to imagine it.

>>732462926
are you ok?

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>>732461707
>got memed into giving FFXII an honest chance becasue of posts like >>732461141 and experiences with /v/ lying about a game being bad in the past
>mfw 100 hours into the game and wondering why i would rather be dead

The vanilla PS2 version of FFXII burned me out so substantially that I had to rethink the way I approached handling my backlog (which up until that point had been to play games like a completionist). It made me painfully aware of the fact that there is NOTHING of value to be gained from playing a game that sucks donkey dick. So in a way, I actually *did* get something out of playing FFXII: an experience so thoroughly bothersome that it fundamentally altered my world view.

Playing the game is about as fun as performing a deep clean of my living space but without any real world benefit.

>>732429326
>This one I memoryholed because nobody talks about it here. No ones care about any of the waifus ( if any ) or the soundtrack or anything really
>
>Was it really that forgettable downloading as we speak.

Pretty much.
When it first came out everyone quit playing FFXI for a bit, then a week later everyone came back.
Whenever 12 came up in conversation it was just "Oh its a worse singleplayer-offline FFXI with a bot built in so you dont even have to play it yourself".
Characters were unlikable and story was forgettable.

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>>732463208
I accept your concession

>>732463324
>Characters were unlikable
balthier was cool

>>732463435
Balthier wasn't nearly cool enough to make the game worth playing. His "cool" is similar to what happens when you are in a room with 5 ugly women and the one that is a 6/10 starts to become significantly more attractive when compared to the the others who are 3/10 at best.

>>732463435
>Amerimutt hears a British accent for the first time
So cool... OI M8 YOU GOT A LOICENSE FOR RAPING MY CHILD?

>>732463620
I'm gay for Gideon Emery

>>732463691
>(((Gideon)))

>>732463280
Yeah, I'mma keep it a stack senpai...if you play a game for over 100 hours, you liked it. At the very least you were addicted to the gameplay loop. Any game I've ever played that I found to be as unenjoyable as you just described couldn't get even 20 hours out of me, and that's being generous.

Your options:

1. You're retarded
2. You're lying to yourself and you actually enjoyed FFXII
3. There are no other options

The x5 speed feature in the modern releases makes it feel like a weird idler/incremental game

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>>732463815
yeah...

>>732463540
Balthier is easily in contention for best character in the franchise.

>>732459412
It sounds very airy and weak compared to the PS2 sounds (which also remind of FFT as a bonus)

>>732463974
>shucking and jiving (((Han Solo))) expy
Brown mentality.

>>732463815
I guess you missed the part where back in those days I had made a point to 100% every game I decided I was going to sit down and play. And back in those days, I took that very seriously. Of course it helped that not a single one of the games I had played up until FFXII felt like an actual chore. But FFXII was an actual chore. The ONLY part of the game that was remotely interesting was Archades. The rest of it was the most miserable grind of my entire fucking life.

And I'm glad I did it so I can make sure no one gets tricked into playing FFXII ever again. I did every single fucking thing you could hope to do in the game EXCEPT the lvl.99 Red Chocobo because that was after I had resolved never to waste time playing miserably boring vidya ever again. But I did everything else in the game. Everything. And I fucking hated it.