>*cures your fedora reddit atheism*
>claims to be a Mormon but never once quotes the Book of Mormon or any Mormon belief>largely quotes the Old Testament, something only the objectively worst Christians doNah, he only helps highlight the hypocrisy of the religious and the dangers of dogma
>>732539498Because he's supposed to be a personification of the Old Testament and Daniel is supposed to be a personification of the New Testament. That's literally what the entire DLC is about.
>>732539254He doesn't. Joshua Graham has never made anyone religious who wasn't already going to become religious. His aesthetic just appeals to the emotionally minded, which are the same people that are susceptible to religion.
He's literally written by a fedora-tipping reddit atheist you fucking retard.
It's like the modern teenage male rite of passage to be a fedora tipper them to see this then to become a heckin based crusder for christ then you see too many sad ryan gosling tiktoks and you become le depressed agnostic
>>732539254Why was he wasting his time trying to convert tribals when he could be doing missionary work in the NCR?
>>732539254NV is about as Reddit as a game could get.
>>732539254ah yes, the mormon mummy man who failed Caesar
>>732539748NCR is already Christian.
>My choice of faith has nothing to do with ethics or logic but what I think is "cool" at the moment
Fedora is a good Linux distro btw.
>>732539590>supposed to beMormons.They are Mormons.And they should either act like it or be called something else.
Question for ChristiansMe and my parents want to get back into church. I'm all for this because I think faith and the community that a church provides, when done right, can change a person for the better. We haven't been to church for over 16 years and we don't know where to start.Our extended family is very religious, but they are also gossipy and two faced and have caused so much family problems that we are very hesitant to just join any church. What we want is a church that fits the following criteria>Isn't zogged>Isn't ran by people lining their pockets>Isn't ran by retards who think dinosaurs are fake or that evolution is a grand lie>Will not lie by telling us homosexuality is not to be discouraged>Will not also lie by telling us that we should hate gays and abandon our loved ones if they come out>Doesn't engage in MAGA worship>Is charitable>Is attended by people who are nice and are willing to help their fellow manWe live near Detroit Michigan if that makes it helps
>>732540878Don't know what to tell you. Avoid megachurches, find a smaller more local church. Go "church shopping" so to speak. No church is perfect especially now.
It would be nice if God existed
>>732540878Your only real options are the Catholic Church or the various Orthodox churches like Assyrian or Eastern as they're the only ones with any real legitimacy to them. I personally landed on Catholicism but there's good reason for picking Orthodox.
>>732540878I highly encourage you to ask each church you visit if they're "zogged" so that they can ask you to explain what you mean followed by quickly asking you to leave.
>>732540642They're Fallout mormons. Shit has changed in 200 years, religion changes too. There are a million fucking sects of Christianity, some so retarded that praying with three fingers and not two was enough to branch off into an entirely different sect.
>>732540878My local catholic church ticks all those boxes but I live in central California.It's really a luck of the draw. All the other churches I've been to are either Israel apologists or pro lgbt.
>>732539646Who regretted making him too cool.
>le cuckstianity is GOOD because muh bandage legion reject Decide to change tactics after all "waaaah all these anime and vidya have CHURCH BAD DEMONS GOOD help me yahweh" threads accomplished nothing but getting the entire world to mock you?
Can't even imagine the smell of this lad. His actively sloughing flesh oozing pus from every pore all day. Where do his bandages come from? He'd need to change them multiple times a day to prevent dying from infection. Also he'd be in so much physical pain he wouldn't be able to function.It's a pretty stupid character. Unless he's a figment of the couriers imagination or something, but context makes it seem like he isn't.
>>732540878Orthodoxy ticks all your boxes. It's the original Christianity after all
>>732539254NVtards are all redditors though.
>*skims plot synopsis of 'A Canticle For Leobowitz' once*>"yep, it's Fallout writin' time."
>>732539254By replacing it with fedora reddit christianity?
>>732539254How would he do that? His whole story is about taking land from the savages, his Christianity is basically irrelevant to his main goal.
>>732539254I think Joshua Graham' religiousity is only compelling if you're already a Christian. When I played through the game the first time I didnt give a shit about him being a Christian or Mormon or whatever, I was much more interested in his story as the Burned Man from the Legion and his power struggle between his people and the tribals.
>>732539498The Old Testament is based, though
>>732544505Shalom! Suck any baby dicks recently?
>>732544532Everything about it that (((they))) didn't make a part of the culture, obviously
>>732539254The real question. Do you think crucifixions were Joshua's idea? If not, how was it justified with his mental gymnastics?
>>732539254The worst thing you can do to yourself is to fall for propaganda presented by a charismatic person or a character.Not to say that you should stop yourself from finding religion, but finding it through a character is an easy way to develop a misunderstanding of it. Common theme between Christians who inherited religion for all the wrong reasons.
>>732544532he's right though, it highlights the true nature of jews which is arguably a better lesson than naive shit like love thy neighbor
>>732545115No the new testament does that much better with the jews rejecting Christ because he told them they weren't special any more
>>732539254I hate this degenerate monster. All disabled people should be euthanized
>>732540878LITTLEFAGGOT
>>732539646Sawyer is catholic, iirc
>>732540878I don't think church is what you want.
>>732539254The best ending is redeeming him with high speech checks even though it might seem that the "good" route is following Daniel. This DLC had no business being written as good as it was, and that's in spite of the grindy quests in between everything.
>>732540878Sounds like you're limited either to Catholic Rites or Orthodoxy.
christcuckery is a lie
>collectibles include Eastern Orthodox Christian icons that you preserve in your hideouts>cures your atheismVery underrated. One of the better open world games.
>>732546839No, he's an atheist
>>732539254>fedora meme in twenty twenty-sixUnc, need to me to wheelchair you to the bathroom? Anti abrahamic thought is cool again after you faggot larpers annoyed everyone with your retardation. Also that character was written by a libtarded athiest too BTW.
>>732539254We have to acknowledge the fact that reddit fedora atheism has been dead for over a decade and its replacement is fedora christian converts
>>732546912The burning man doesn't deserve mercy or redemption even within his own moral framework, he doesn't get to walk away from thousands of murders and arguably mexican skinnings because he believes in something better now, some crimes are unforgivable. The only just thing would be to shoot him, and if you want the legion angle, the same logic applies for him being a traitor.
>>732540878The true Church is the spiritual body of true believers led by Christ, not some physical church or human led organization. You can just be a Bible believing Christian, following the teachings of Christ without going to church on Sunday. Literally every false church is deeply subversive and very often are more than happy to espouse false teachings. Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy are especially subversive so those should be your very last choice if you still want to go to a physical church anyway.
>>732539254>dude I got le burned lmaodogshit character
>>732548664>some crimes are unforgivableNot according to the Bible thought.
>>732540878What the others have said, your best shot is Catholic and Orthodox rite churches, though in America SOME Catholic ones in blue states can be progressive too, but usually not. I'm a Eurofag tho, I'm giving second hand accounts from people I talked to and some thinkers/commentators (that aren't mainstream conservatives or libs)
it's crazy that people still cling on a beliefsystem in the 21st century
>>732549904Logic is INTFaith is WIS
>>732539254He's a good image of a Christian, a guy that is struggling with sin and isn't a nu-christian progressive faggot. Generally pretty cool.I get that influencing changing some false preconceptions about Christianity, I think it's kinda odd for people to convert because of a vidya character..Sure if he got you to look into the religion and it's theology, but not just muh aesthetics & cool factor. Same as saying "I became a Catholic because Alexander Anderson from Hellsimg was a badass lul"
What's up with mormons and 'gentile' nonsense? They aren't even jews
>>732550068There's about a hundred kooky Christian denominations that believe they're the real Jews
>>732539254He is as Christian as muslims are, with that cult of his. American schizo faggots attempting to roleplay as religious will always be funny to me
>>732550339But mormons don't practice chopping dicks
>>732550357To be fair as far as game is concerned he is a Christian, he never talks about Mormom specific shit
>>732550068American Christianity revolves around worshipping jews and their mythological book that claims that kikes are the master race.
I find it funny how the devs wanted you to think that Daniel was the correct choice morally because of "turn the other cheek" as an obvious reference to Jesus telling the jews not to resist Roman control but to be resilient in their beliefs and to never give up their faith even as slaves. The problem is that the white legs unlike the romans, only reason for existing at this point is full on genocide and killing literally everyone. Just forgiving them and not retaliating realistically would just invite them to murder you like a cuck.
>>732550396Neither do the Brethren but they insular weirdos that go on about spoiling the Egyptians (aka everyone should serve them) just like Jews
>converting because of a video game characterwhat the fuck is wrong with this generation
>>732550497People tend to forget that mormons were not rainbow-sunshine-peaceful, far from it. You know who made .50 BMG? A mormon. That's all you need to know about their approach to justice
“If you were Abraham’s children,” said Jesus, “then you would do what Abraham did. As it is, you are looking for a way to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. You are doing the works of your own father.”Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me. Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? Whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”
>>732550649>NIVOnly KJV quotes are allowed itt
>>732550339God's Chosen people, which were not those of Judah. Jesus wasn't a Jew: he was Hebrew, an Israelite as all those descended Heber were. Those who call themselves Jews are pagan converts who perverted the skin of Hebrewism.
>>732550592Well a large part of the of the stereotype you posted converted because of influencers so I'd say that's even worse.
>DUDE THE WORLD JUST LIKE APPEARED BRO>AFTER A BIG RANDOM EXPLOSION LMAO>EVERYTHING IS RANDOM AND MEANINGLESS BRO JUST DO DRUGS AND FUCK WHORESAtheism is retarded
>>732550626I never said they were. My point is that if you are about to be murdered by a psychopathic serial killer who wants to turn you and your entire family into a couch, and you are given a gun to defend yourself the obvious choice isn't going to be to throw away the gun and hope the serial killer goes easy on you.
>>732550815>i dont like it therefore it's retardedwhat iq is this
>>732550724if you are going to translation sperge the douay rheims translation is the closest we'll ever get to an accurate english translation
>>732550592what a retarded image, at 15 everyone is still figuring shit out and of course you'll be influenced and make dumb choices
>>732550815evolution sounds fucking impossible when it's explained out loud>yeah bro over millions of years shit just randomly happened until we magically against impossible odds had brains capable of creating civilization and computersFucking lmao
>>732550497I just sided with Daniel for the achievement and it felt like such a cuck route to take. Joshua was right.
>>732550861Zoomers are almost 30 now
>>732550945there is no reason god couldn't have created evolution. you arent really meant to take everything completely literally from the bible, there was not a man inside a whale or one of every animal on a boat theyre parables
>>732550945Except there is evidence it exists. Look at pictures of old fruit. Look at the different peoples around us.I'm not saying God doesn't exist but this is part of his design
>>732550846No it's quite literally retarded, as atheists can't learn from their mistakes as atheists believe there are no mistakes. Do as thou wilt right? And if an atheists does hold moral believes than he is a hypocrite because without God, your morals are no more righteous than those of another atheist
>>732540878>>>Isn't zogged>>Isn't ran by people lining their pocketsNot the catholic church that's for sure, they are a band of homo pedophiles
>>732539254Christianity makes niggas super mad because it essentially tells you if you're a degenerate you're going to hell no matter what, sorry not sorry, shouldn't have been a degenerate buddyo boyo! And that makes 4chin redditors who spend half the day gooning to raceplay and sissy porn or posting gore and dead babies have a melty due to the fact that they irreparrably destroyed their souls and will in fact burn in hell for eternity. Oopsie! At least you are redpilled and based or something!
>>732551072Relax, every moral code is written by humans.
Same applies to people who believe they can do no wrong because they go to church, if you were a good man you would not be living in this time period on this world. Christianity is about admitting your flaws (sins) and striving to become a better man in the image of God and become a positive influence on those around you. God hates sin because he loves you, and he knows that sin will destroy what you could have been.
>>732550815>>732550945>>732551072Sent from iPhone
>>732550850Not even that. New Canaanites use KJV version
>>732540878You live in the United States, none of the churches you can go to teach proper Christianity, Prosperity Bible rules there, which is active heresy against the teachings of god and is closer to Byzantine Orthodoxy. The greed and vanity obsession is why the Byzantines kept getting wiped out by outside forces, it was the wrath of god for their avarice.
>>732551150If you need fear of punishment to be a good person, you are not a good person. Christianity is about love and compassion. Jesus walked with lepers and women and other things seen as lesser or degenerate in his age, you aren't Christian, you are just an asshole
>>732551150God is forgiving, admit your mistakes and improve yourself.To do this, first you have to see that you were wrong and admit this
>>732551150Stop fucking men
>>732550817You are correct, you are meant to see how much danger you are actually in and act accordingly. Somebody hurls an insult at you and gives you a slap, you're not actually in life threatening danger, if you fight back you are fighting for your pride, your ego. If a crazed man who cannot be reasoned with is threatening the lives of your loved ones you should absolutely defend them and yourself, as this is not a matter of pride, and you have to protect what you love. I don't understand how something this simple has been taken out of context so much.
>>732551150Funny you imply mormons aren't degenerates. Also mormons aren't christian. They are polytheists who believe in bullshit like becoming a god and blood atonement, which spits in the face of Jesus and his sacrifice.
>>732552075Sure thing you lying faggot.
>>732552075>Also mormons aren't christianI'm getting tired of this meme. They literally worship Christ
>>732539254>>732539498he's a satirical representation of the average protestant and their subversion of Jesus' teachings, the average protestant lacks the self-awareness to realize that though
>>732540878Gonna chime in and say Catholic as well. I am also a former seminarian. Be careful because there are based Catholic parishes and cucked ones. Depending on where you live there may be a few. I tend to look towards FSSP Catholic churches (Fraternal Society of Saint Peter). They stick to traditional pre Vatican II prayers, masses, and spirituality. Not to say that there aren't also very awesome Novus Ordo (vernacular) masses. It all depends on the main priest. Pastor, Rector, or Parochial Vicar. And always can also depend on your region. Some Bishops are terrible and some great though a good priest is more important because you will interact with them. Seeing the Bishop, unless you live near the Cathedral, is usually a once or twice a year thing. >alsoVideo games.
>>732553172How much does your upbringing affect your choice of video games, if you don't mind me asking?
>>732552269by that logic muslims are jews
This whole return of christcuckholdry has been going on for longer than atheism did in the 2000s.I wonder how many years it will take for it to finally die.>>732550846whatever is above average in burgerland
>>732553860You, anon. You are a jew
>>732539590>/pol/ and /v/ have been cheering the personification of Judaism this whole timeMaybe Epstein was on to something when he met with m00t.
>>732540878>We live near Detroit Michigan if that makes it helpsGo to Dearborn and check out a mosque
>>732550725>don't remember someone named Heber in the Bible>look him up>"Biblical Significance: Heber the Kenite (Judges 4:17) was a descendant of Hobab, Moses' brother-in-law"No wonder I don't remember him, he's not even Jewish - excuse me, an Israelite.
>>732550497>Just forgiving themWhere exactly is Daniel saying they should be forgiven, his whole shtick is about protecting the "innocence" of the Sorrows, that they're essentially garden of eden Adam and Eve and that to protect this ideal is worth more than the physical location of Zion, you can certainly argue that is Daniel projecting a paternalistic ideal onto them that they wouldn't approve of themselves given how he does this like keeping Waking Cloud's husbands death a secret, but it's not just a wholly promotion of pacifism, even if that is the end result.
>>732539498I feel like both Joshua and Daniel were meant to be general representatives of Christianity, but because of its in built universality, Sawyer put them as Mormons, so that they'd have a "People" which tied into the Fallout theme of tribes, settlements and identity. Also it avoids the Leibowitz rip off accusations and if I'm not mistaken Sawyer is somewhat fascinated by Mormons.The issue is kinda what you pointed out though. Both of these supposed Mormons feel and sound when talking about scripture a lot more like Catholics or Presbyterians.Shit, his Bible has a crucifix, when Mormons traditionally don't use it as a symbol
>>732541646>that praying with three fingers and not two was enough to branch off into an entirely different sect.That's Elden Ring
>>732552075Their faith isn't that complex and it's weird enough without making shit up I'm not sure what your aim is here cardinal
How welcoming would a korean/vietnamese/chinese church be? I feel like at worse you'd stick out and members would be a bit confused. Other than that I'm sure it's a wholesome experience.
>>732550497I really dig HH, but it has some outstanding problems.Nobody on their right mind would pick Daniel. His premise is too weak and feeble. Preserving the Sorrow's innocence has very little value in a place as violent as the Wasteland he's also way less cool and interesting than Joshua, who even the DLC treats as the main character.If choice was to implemented, the main focus should've been just Graham
>>732539590>>732555013>joshua is a white man chad who thinks that his pet tribe should not learn morals from him and even calls himself an 'acting' warchief>daniel is spiritually and loin-ly asian virgin who does not even respect the tribes and forces his idea of purity upon themWhat did JESawyer mean by that
>>732555370The modern, progressive socially liberal mindset is artificial and actively antagonizing to human nature. That's why you often catch the types that spouse and defend in subconscious criticisms of it.My favorite is GRRM. Despite being a liberal, he can't seem to write a homosexual character without it being a disturbed retard or a pedophile. Because deep down he knows.
>>732539498Mormonbros...
This dialogue option I spotted on my last playthrough implies that Christianity has declined enough in the setting for the character you are playing as to not be familiar with its basic tenets and need its core mythology explained to him/herPretty hard to believe that happening in America even long after an apocalypse
>>732555527>he can't seem to write a homosexual character without it being a disturbed retard or a pedophile.Renly is neither, same with his BF
>>732539902Sounds about right
>>732555360>on their right mindEnglish impaired
>>732555583Considering that no one knows what the fuck Rome is, aside from the Followers, I think it's pretty telling
>>732555583There isn't really a big advocate for religion in the wastes, America was Christianized because of the colonial settlers, which setup the institutions of the evangelical church, but from drops we've seen there was little interest in exporting this to the various vaults which became the inheritors of the wasteland.
>>732555583Yeah, Fallout and the DLC constantly imply that Christianity isn't that common anymore, but that's patiently absurd. The Bible is the most common book in America. Religious elements of Christianity permeate language, culture and everything. If any civilization would arise from the ashes of the old one, they'd have a pretty good idea and knowledge about Christianity.But that's makes the setting too familiar so it's funner to pretend nobody knows it so that we can have funny Elvis imitators thinking Elvis was a deity
>>732555663Thank you for your contribution to this thread
>>732555736Surely the overwhelming majority of the people who went into the vaults were god-fearing and so too then would have been the generations that came from them and walked back outthis guy's line also stuck out to me simply for being what I think was the only mention of Jesus I'd seen in the game outside of HH
>>732539498It’s so weird how Christians seem to think more than 50% of the word of God is optional reading, but take everything Paul says to heart despite never meeting Jesus or mentioning anything Jesus spoke about during His ministry
>>732555906>Surely the overwhelming majority of the people who went into the vaults were god fearingSpecially when accounting that the big enemy in the 21st century was the godless asiatic CCP
>>732555639Interasting how not a single thing in that meme is related to spirituality or belief in God. also>contradicts his religionLiterally impossible to be religious and have anything contradict your religion, by definition it usurps any and all else. What an absolutely retarded and blasphemous thing to say, analyzing your religion and comparing it to others, what lol. On the same tier as bible studies or praying and analyzing the bible alone and coming to your own conclusions. What an absolute garden variety milennial midwit pseud. Holy cringe, what the fuck.
>>732555906>>732555787Tbqh we don't know how religious the prewar America really was in the setting. Maybe everyone was just too busy to go to church.
Fallout 4 is about Gnosticism, and the Enclave’s plan to turn everyone into soulless drones is very similar what the Institute is doing
>>732555906Culture can become lost increasingly fast and Fallout clearly treats this as happening very fast, remember that the sorrows and zion tribals developed their own language from the mixture of tourists and Americans who survived within the 200 years between the bombs and FNV. Vault tech may have strictly forbidden foreign materials like bibles in their vaults and without the book itself it could easily have been lost within a generation.
>>732539254It literally made me atheist though.
>>732556012It's not making fun of religion per se, it's making fun of posers, fellow midwit.
>>732550945Evolution through natural selection is inevitable unless you live in la-la land.
>>732551025>there is no reason god couldn't have created evolution.Yes there is. Without hard-delineated "kinds" there's no humanity that fallen and could be redeemed.
>>732551072>your morals are no more righteous than those of another atheistMy morals are righteous because they're mine. Simple as!
>>732551025The word of God is supposed to be infallible. You either wholeheartedly believe all of it or don’t. The half-assed “pick and choose” approach just makes real Christians look bad by association
>*creates a whole new breed of annoying neckbeards instead*
>>732555787>tfw Enclave burned all the bibles because tHe SuRfAcE iS the ExPeRiMenT ;)It's retarded enough for me to believe that
>>732551150>if you're a degenerate you're going to hell no matter what, sorry not sorryYou forgot to account for the "fact" that everyone is a degenerate deserving of infinite torture, even literal newborn babies (according to christianity).>And that makes 4chin redditors who spend half the day gooning to raceplay and sissy porn or posting gore and dead babiesYou believe yourself better than a murderous pedophile? You shouldn't (according to christianity).
>>732556024With all the Red Scare and 50s nostalgia, it's hard to think it wouldn't be a super God fearing country. Shit, it might even ramp up the WASPyness and have increased prejudiced against Catholics just because it's ultimately tied to Rome.>>732556053A fair point, though I'd still argue that the sheer amount of presence Christianity has in. America means most people would be vaguely aware of it, even if they don't follow it
>>732555945They get filtered at genealogies and so do I
>>732552019>If a crazed man who cannot be reasoned with is threatening the lives of your loved ones you should absolutely defend them and yourself, as this is not a matter of pride, and you have to protect what you love.What "protect"? Afterlife exists, nothing they can do matters.
>>732539254>>732556012Prove that God exists without circular reasoning.
The father in the caves is a best character in the dlc actually
Do you think Graham stayed celibate through his Legion days?
>>732556181I find it really fucking far fetched lol. Do you know the odds of shit just arranging itself perfectly like it has? It's astronomical, impossible.
I don't understand how can you be a christian and a gamer, at least without being a massive self-hating Uncle Ruckus.
>>732556761Given the vast quantities of not just billions but multi billions of stars and galaxies out there in existence, life generating itself is a non-zero probability that just needed the right confluence of events that just happened to occur here.
>>732556795I sincerely believe that 95% of people who claim to be Christians are just larping, they don't really do anything except say they believe in Skyman, they don't go to church, they consume degeneracy, they fuck out of wedlock yada yada, but as long as they say they're Christian, that makes it so.. Hypocrites if you will
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>>732556931And be replaced by cow shit eating mudslimes as they have rolling gangs of sharia enforcing subhumans in your cities just like in Europe so congrats on being beheaded by goat fuckers i guess
>>732556761When you shuffle a full deck of cards, a chance of any particular ordering that results is astronomically tiny, but the one you ended up is the one you ended up with, what's the problem?Unless you think that biology is actually perfect, then lol lmao.
>>732556761An all mighty being failing repeatedly to make his creations behave the way he wants to despite being omnipotent, sacrificing his own son to himself because of a system he built himself, talking animals and failing to fulfill even a single prophecy despite being all powerful. Those are all way more farfetched honestly.
>>732540878>Question for Christians>on a "Bangladeshi Kite testing forum"Thanks for confirming all religous people are retarded.
>>732556708He's said to have led by example, he probably raped some bitches to show some legionary the ropes
>>732557007>implying you theists aren't buddiesI've seen your real faces already
>>732557069I remember Sawyer saying that Legion used raping not for pleasure, but for terrorizing. How very virtuous
if evolution is fake then how do you explain self-preservation instincts? shouldn't we be more than clever bugs?
>>732539254Hitler?
>>732557120>seething fedora tipper copes
>>732540878>We live near Detroit MichiganMaybe God has blessed you, at least it's not Seattle.
>>732548356Speaking as one of the few other people on the planet that has actually played the game and appreciates it even a little bit:It's not a hidden gem, or even that good in general. It's just another generic open world game.Sorry.
>>732540878>I came to the board covered in porn and open pedophilia to get advice on good churches from good christiansCant make this shit up lmao. This guy is going to be some pastor's tithing bitch within the week.
>>732557289It's true, you prefer muslims over atheochuds.
>>732551072>you may think yourself righteous but I got a loisence for being righteous from big G himself
>>732557392>he copes againThe new Atheist movement collapsed harder than a Chinese child near an elevator. All it did was help fosters globalism and white replacement
>>732551072Pride is a sin
>>732539646sawyer is not fedora tipping at all. he is an atheist that has a healthy relationship with his catholic past. you know, like a normal non-autistic person
>>732551025>there is no reason god couldn't have created evolution*blocks your path*
>>732557480Is what I wrote wrong?What even bothers you about sharia law?
>>732539254You zoomers really are just pathetic little faggots wearing religion as an outfit to try and boost your non-existent personality
>>732557480It's not their fault they were one of the very first targets of SJW entryism. People weren't awake to wokeism yet, they were completely defenseless.
>>732557597>Is what I wrote wrong?Yes. Unlike what. I wrote, which you can't even deny>What even bothers you about sharia lawIt's Islamic
>>732556589Mysterious ways, shut up
>>732551025The six days of creation, (which obviously aren't 24 hour days) roughly follow and fit in with the concepts of the big bang and evolution.
>>732539254>Still obsessing about "fedora" atheism in fucking 2026Holy fucking hell this board really is just filled with pathetic manchildren who has not mentally evolved in 15 years
>>732551025>if you don't like the message you misunderstood it
>>732557660It's very much their fault.It wasn't an infiltration, it was a prong of attackAtheists are the biggest supporters of fags and browns
dont care. still not believing in your jewish psyop
>>732557709>roughly fitYeah it's amazing how you can malleable change any timeline when you just proclaim days no longer count as 24 hours and are just nebulous anythings you can shrink or lengthen to fitNow, anyway, since you're so confident on your jewcuck fantasy narrative, go ahead and, in detail, explain how your bullshit story fits the big bang and evolution. I'll wait, take your time.
>>732539254he doesn't even have that much dialogue, just quotes a few bible passages in a very uninspired tone and sends you on a fetch quest, which btw is completely redundant if you side with him
>arguing over the ScriptureYou Mojave faggots do not believe
>>732550815Do you believe the chicken came before the egg? Because explosions have been happening way before humans got here, yet apparently the idea of God means humans are primordial beings.
>>732557859>in a very uninspired toneGigaretardhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AhsqRqJ74k
If NV is supposed to be a completely free experience, why can’t I side with Cook cook?
>>732557931It's a lot less chilling if you arrive holding an anti-matieriel rifle
Someone told me yesterday that "mormon" is derogatory if you call them that. They prefer Latter-day Saints.Is this true?
>>732556761This is one of the most retarded talking points. Not only are you unable to formulate something that is actually analogous to the processes, you also do not understand there is an untold number of reactions taking place every second.Now, since you like probabilities, which one of these is more likely: someone is mistaken, they're lying, or Allah splitting the moon? Then ask yourself the same question but replacing Allah splitting the moon with the resurrection.
>>732558000Some of them have finally woken up to the fact that their little apostate cult they larp as Christianity has a serious branding issue and now hate the term Mormon. This is not a completely universally believed stance though
>>732550945Sure. If you're insanely reductive and wrong, anything can sound stupid.You think heavy things pull lighter things towards them? That's fucking stupid.
>>732557931This is only even slightly threatening if you buy into his bullshit. Like even the pathetic NCR baby hitsquad comes at you with weapons drawn.
>>732556761>It's astronomicalYeah it's almost as if it's only been documented to happen in 1 in 100s of billions of planets, crazy huh? Just because you're the end result, does not make it suddenly magically impossible. There are people alive right now that are lottery winners, you are not, do you deny their own existence?
>>732556761You're not thinking on an astronomic level.Yeah. A lot of things had to align in ways that allowed for the conditions for life to start. Guess what man, you roll the dice enough times and rolling certain results at least once becomes inevitable.Congrats brother. You're on the planet that won the dice roll. You get a habital world with plenty of water that can support life, and had the right chemical soup to create it.
>>732557948Because Cook Cook doesn't want to side with you.It's free, but you're still bound by the rules and logic of the setting/game
>>732539254Thank fuck he's in Honest Hearts because otherwise that DLC's straight dogshit.
>>732557931too many words and the most intimidating part is animation that would make even fuckin moira brown look badass
>>732558452Do you even Zion
>>732558452I dunno, I love how natural and beautiful Zion looks in stark contrast with the wastelandI also like to dress up like a tribal and smash heads with my horse head club
>>732539254That's great but I'm not an atheist, I'm an anti-theistAll belief in god and religion is harmful
>>732554714my badi meant eber, who also can be heber
>be me
>>732539498Mormonism is batshit insanelike, they're good people, but their interpretation of events is fucking ridiculous
>>732555583It's a bit more believable when you remember that most people are descended from vault dwellers who were couped up and social experimented on by a hyper capitalist megacorp who probably didn't give much of a shit about preserving religious doctrine.
>>732540878Orthodox or Catholic is the only real option. Some memers will tell you "high church" protestants will be as valid but if you research theology seriously you will learn that protestants always come with strings attached like female pastors or gay affirmation which is not only not theologically sound but also the beginning of the slippery slope that ends in prosperity gospel and saying Jesus supports abortion.
>believing in made up shit because everyone else does is...le good!Faithoids are low IQ or delusional, there is no middle ground.
>>732550497Daniel is just retarded. Saying the Sorrow's innocence should be preserved makes no fucking sense in a world where there's killer robots and violent tribes everywhere. It's not like they're gonna find another unhabited oasis canyon around the corner
>>732560827>Orthodox or Catholic is the only real optionI felt some happiness when Francis met with Bartholomew. I'm not even religious anymore: I'm just very into history. How family beyond flesh could meet again after centuries apart. Something beautiful about that. But faith is a light I can never hold in my hands again.
>>732560934You want to tip your fedora but western morality is founded on Catholicism.
>>732556589You don't debate God, the proper course of action is killing the heretic and burning his children and wife on a stake. Imagine you asking that reddit question alone in a street with a bunch of rural muslim dudes with beards and knives on them who are on their merry way with Allah's blessing, you would get to join God and be blessed in mere minutes or you'd repent and convert through physical pain like under Mother Theresa's teachings. Religion is unshakeable, unfazed, unmovable, God just is, it's your duty as God's soldier to kill your enemies. I respect Islam and Islamists because they are stalwart, proper warriors of God. Christianity should be more extreme than that though and RETVRN.
>>732557120Umm they were at war with each other for most of their existence anon
>>732561116>western morality is founded onLemme stop you right there. The West has many forms of morality, to act like it's unified by anything is horseshit. This bullshit Christoid Pan-Occidentalism has literally never been a thing, "The West" had never, ever, been a united entity of any kind on anything, you just want to pretend it is so justify some kind of Christian Empire.
>>732559369>My favorite media produced by mr Jewbergstein in between trips to the wailing wall told me religion is stupid. I'm so smartGoycattle are so funny
>>732561152This is why both Muzzies and (You) should be put in front of Communist firing squads.
>>732561274And? They hate us even more.
>>732561324Communists have only ever managed to kill their own people, I suppose that counts for something when your shit's all scrambled and fucked in your head.
>>732558452I like HH, it's a nice palette cleanser of a DLC in between something narrative heavy like Dead Money and sometimes bloated OWB.
>>732561294>my religionyour**ftfy
>>732561276Immanuel Kant was Christian. Jeremy Bentham was Christian. John Rawls was Christian.the vast majority of ethical philosophers were christians with morals founded from and off of christianity
>>732557931>trannies think this is the coolest shit everTruly mentally ill and should be in an institution
>>732561474The majority of ethical philosophers at the time period you've cherry picked to focus on. You'll of course totally ignore all modern, non-Christian philosophers because they don't prove your point.
>>732539254i still don't get what they were going for with nipton lottery, why would legion waste time on this? idk google says it's a reference to shirley jackson, i think i've read it once but i don't see what legion has to do with it and there's almost no exposition on nipton to care
>>732561557I don't focus on them because they were literally thousands of fucking years before Christanity or modern morality.And where the fuck do you see anyone who grew up on the higher echelons of Grecian society ethics?
The superiority of the trinity appears to have caused some contention
>>732561557>non-Christian philosophersJews believed in heinous retarded schizoshit, anon. Nothing anyone with sense should believe in.
>>732539254I believe most people online are just larping as a christian tradfag, they don't really believe in it, and they do it because they think that's the "based" thing to do, not for anything else
>>732561380Not at all. At least Christians don't. They tolerated us and essentially voluntarily secularized. The West was majority religious when secularization was happening, they were under no obligation to do it. Muslims actually persecute atheists with physical harm. Chrostians don't and haven't for most if their history. Most of their violence was against other christians deemed heretical, rarely if ever atheists (commies are a different case)
>>732561758Western society sprang forth from Catholicism. I grew up religious. I don't believe in God anymore, but the beliefs and morals it instilled are incredibly important. For fuck's sake, anon, we're mutilating the genitals of children and promoting inane faggotry.
>>732560181Mormonism could have only come up from the shithole that is burgerstan. Even in those early days they were batshit insane and things have gone worse from then
>>732561853Well a mix of catholocism and greko-roman civilization, which the church preserved and spread. Christianity did bring big alterations to the previous order and new stuff in terms of ethics and behavioral norms and philosophy. I'm a christian, but don't forget to give the medbros their due too.
>>732540878You don't want church. You want a hugbox.
is being an atheist cringe now?
>>732561707>Jews believed in heinous retarded schizoshit, anon. Nothing anyone with sense should believe in.>>732561642>3=1you should fight, monkeys
>>732539254I think my brain is rotted because that picture just makes me think of that cover of Forspoken where the MC is sitting.
>>732562029In some part, yeah.>>732562117yes
>>732562117Depends what kind.>reddit/new atheist/commie/nihilistYes>normal not that ideological/right wing/culturally traditional No
>>732561853>mutilating the genitals of childrenBut enough about circumcision
>>732562117Always has been. The true answer is agnostic.
>>732562226define reddit atheism
>>732555945its because the old testament is legit fucked up jewish bullshit so the more sane christcucks just kind of memory hole it. They know if they put more thought into it theyd realize they are worshipping the kike demon
>>732562242Christians aren't Jews.
>>732562343Then why do they worship one?
>>732562117Oh yeahUnless you're the rate type that just doesn't believe and never talks about it unless asked
>>732562439okay good
>>732562308That's what Jesus preached.Jews didn't venerate god but demons>>732562386Jesus' mother was not from Judah. She was from Nazareth
>>732562262Thats still functionally atheist
>>732562262Why aren't there any trans agnostics?>well, we can't prove that trans women are women, BUT WE CAN'T PROVE THEY ARE MEN EITHER, stupid!!!!11
>this defeats the christcuck
>>732562543Sure, but at least you're not arrogantly declaring your answer to be the true answer like every other obnoxious cunt.
>>732562512Jesus had no foreskin, he and his disciples were all jews.
>>732540878You're not going to get an answer for this question on 4chan. The fact that people are answering this question denominationally is largely a matter of bias abd is almost no indicator as to how likely any specific church is a "true" church. It'll be entirely dependant on the specific congregation and what kind if community has developed there. Just start church shopping on Sundays and talk to people, get a sense for the kind of culture in a place. Churches typically wear what they are about on their sleeve.
>>732562654They were Israelites. There is a profound difference
>>732562215>>732562226I am a communist atheist and you can never make me change my mind no matter how often you spam cringe at me. If I don't feel cringe, you have no power to make me stop. If anything, you thinking it's cringe only hurts you, since even knowing of my existence causes you psychological discomfort.
>>732562629>truth hurts my feelings
>>732562283A pseudo-religious dogmatic ideology which combines a low iq version of new atheism with progressive politics and a galaxy sized superiority complex. And is completely in a state of ech-chamberism and hostile not just to religious thought by any atheistic thought that goes against their ideas, despite claiming to be free thinkers. >inb4 "low iq version" new atheism is already dumbYou can criticize Dawkins/Hitchens etc. for their takes, but they were consistent on a lot of stances and could argue somewhat properly despite not liking philosophy, reddit atheists can't argue their views they just parrot slogans and oftentime just ignore or censor opposing thought.
>>732557808Based. It's incredible that people worship some dead jew on a stick.
>>732562687John 4:22
>>732562117According to some teenagers on 4chan who fell for the larp, yes. Make of that what you will.>>732562262>I'm too much of a pussy to hold an opinion>I'm the based one, actuallywoman moment
>>732562760>reddit atheists can't argue their views they just parrot slogans and oftentime just ignore or censor opposing thought.Why is that bad?
>>732562841>why is being an idiot badFor the same reason being a religious fundie that acts like that is bad
>>732541646>implying the book of moron would be remembered at all
>>732562740>If anything, you thinking it's cringe only hurts you, since even knowing of my existence causes you psychological discomfortNot really, I just scoff at another dumb muh extreme internet ideology larper and nove on.Also most western "commies" would be gulag'd in a proper commie regime
>>732562931you do know where nv is located right
>>732562841Because they don't think for themselves, they are a zombie hivemind that repeats bullshit without questioning it.They claim religious people are like that and that's why religion is dumb, yet they act the same way and are oblivious to it.By their own criteria they are morons.Any intelligent atheist will laugh at them.
>>732559369Anon, allow me to offer a counterpoint: Worship your ancestors, youf family is your congregation and your home is your church.
>>732562819Jews was the Roman's catch all term for Israelites
>>732555945because old testament's god is not God but Demiurge
>>732557808Not believing it is the Jewish Psy-Op though. The institutional power of Jews skyrocketed with the fall of the Church
most modern christians are just larpers who embrace christianity as a reactionary response to leftism instead of wanting a genuine relationship with christ >well, those reddit commies/lgbt degenerates are atheists, so i guess i'll become christiannowhere in the bible does it say "thou shall agitate libtards"
>>732563194What is the point you're trying to make? It's like you were trying to endear a transphobe (laudatory) by claiming that everyone has a gender, some people are just cis.
>>732563341My point is that abandoning religion creates a vacuul that can easily be filled with toxic stuff like woke or communism. Fill it with your family so that you don't fall into that pitfall.
>>732563194If I worshipped any of my ancestors they'd smack me for being a Godless heathen.
>yo dude evolution is impossible "shit just fucking happened" no way In an infinite galaxy, it took 4.54 BILLION years before Planet Earth had an actually intelligent life form and some 500 MILLION years before any animal life at all. I know magnitudes are hard for some people, but just going "yeah I have no immediate answer for this, so it must be divine " is a cop-out fucking cave dwellers were coming up with. The discussion of "morality" is even more stupid because one is honest and comes from the choice of upholding societal good in accordance with your fellow man and their rights as human beings just like you, and the other comes entirely from fear of punishment.
>>732563335Nah, while christianity is secularized compared to the past you have genuine believers and converts. There are some loudmouthed political larpers online that use christianity and neopaganism as a skinsuit for their right wing politics. But they are the loud minority, just like reddit atheists (a normal atheist isn't gonna spam about atheism 24/7 in youtube comments, he probably won't bring it up at all). Internet gives you a skewed view of things. I blame Peterson and Varg for pushing Jungian religiosity.
>>732563438By comparing it to toxic shit? Sorry, you lost me
>>732563567It isn't helped by high level right wingers promoting christian nationalism, because they're either cynically trying to exploit what they believe to be a quiet revival or genuine true believers that it's happening.
>young earth creationism evolution denialThis is american evangelical bullshit along with the rapture and dispensationalist jew simping that no one believed in the past apart from a few fringe thinkers.
>>732562262Why are people shitting on this? Agnosticism is honest. We can't know for sure if a deity exists or not
>>732564681Radicals hate centrists
>>732562117>now
>>732562308>This part of the Bible is bullshit and should be ignored but not this part You’re not a real Christian if this is what you think of the Bible
>>732563502This
>>732563223Gnosticism and Christianity are 2 different things
>>732562117A strict denial of an unprovable possibility is always a sign of retard. It's obvious for anyone who actually studied physics
fuck off christcucks
>>732565530>evangelicals
>>732565947Those people are way more sincere in their faith than someone who browses 4chan and calls themselves a Christian
If you got laid, you won't be Christian. Religion, as its commonly know by coping political crypto atheist, its for useful idiots losers.
>>732558602I get anxiety when im wandering around Zion for too long. They really should have built a Costco somewhere in the canyon.
I kill Josh and Daniel every playthrough. Feels good to help wipe away Abrahamism.
>>732566583>picLow IQ american religitard level of theology and out of context quotes
>>732540878Why are people so protective of faggots? Faggotry is degeneracy and it's disgusting.
>>732539254He does nothing for me. In general, that DLC is just about getting some unique items and fucking off to me.
>>732555787The King doesn't think that Elvis was a god, only that the school of impersonation was dedicated to the worship of Elvis, and he's right.
>>732566854To lower human population and removing any balls a man gains by having a family worthy to stand for against the government by womanizing men
>>732555787The amount of lost information in general is pretty overstated in Fallout.
Any thread about this guy turns into political & religious off-topic talk. Barely anyone talked about the game, just atheists and christians talking about religion. Albeit not as much shitflinging here
>>732567197>where muh gameplay wemb!? too much words! wagh!Move along.
>>732566818This is cope for blindly following people who know nothing about Bible.
>>732567683But enough about pastor Jim from the church behind McDonalds
>>732566787Thry can have their state as long as there are muzzies to kill.
>>732550592Parental neglect No father figureLow attention spanLow self esteemExcessive internet usageLack of meaningful life experiences to build an interesting personality off of
