Well, yeah, the engine developer can't decide what kind of games are made on the engine.

>don't use built-in garbage like Lumen and Nanite
>get good performance
woww

>>732547086
unironically true
say what you want about Silent Hill F, but it runs perfectly
American devs are just stupid

So Epic are admitting they are shit developers since Fortnite started running like shit when they moved over to Unreal 5

>>732547086
He's right, pseudoregalia uses UE5 and runs at 300 FPS on potato cards.

So Epic never put warning about Nanite and Lumen tanks the performance badly ?

>>732548183
>say what you want about Silent Hill F, but it runs perfectly
It looks like a PS3 game, and runs like shit on GTX 1080.

>>732548112
Those are beneficial in some cases but can only really be on high end hardware, the problem is when people don't develop alternative systems without it for mid-range or use them when it doesn't make sense for their game at all

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>>732547086
>all unreal engine games run like DOGSHIT
I will avoid unreal engine games.
>"it's not our fault tho!"
interesting argument! I will still avoid unreal engine games.

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Every single UE5 game I've played has stuttered and ran awfully, I have a 9070xt and a 7800x3D.

People keep telling me it's actually good or its the developers fault but really I can see with my own eyes that UE5 just sucks. UE5 = no buy I don't care if everybody else buys it.

>advertise your dogshit engine as a 0 effort fixall solution for optimization
>monkeys create stutter sims
nooo we have no fault in thiss!

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>>732547086
I know. No guns life had no performance problems and ran great.

>>732547086
>its your fault you didn't ENTIRELY DISABLE our real time lighting on consumer GPUs even top end ones, its not our shitty engine and or default settings within said engine
lmfao ok bro. you said it works out of the box, for non devs but now its our fault.
glad I haven't started with ue5 yet it sounds like a nightmare.

>>732547086
I mean, he has a point
I remember Palworld playing like ass when it released, now with some months of optimization it runs quite well, although not as much as it should considering the last gen graphics

>>732549415
GTX 1080 is a 10+ year old card gramps

>>732547086
It's nV's and AMD's fault for not making good hardware.

>>732548183
Too bad it's a woke piece of shit

>>732550472
yes and ? i had one before i completely upgraded my pc and i could run rise of the ronin with it, there's a thing called Setting menu in PC games, the problem is too many console tards and new gamers don't even know it exist or even touch it, if you know what you are doing you can still run all new released games on a 1080 with little to no issues

>>732550472
And that game looks like games from 20 years ago

>>732550568
All games are woke

UE5 is not a great engine, but I'm sure people could get games on it to run quite well if they actually put in a fucking modicum of real effort and actually understood HOW A FUCKING COMPUTER WORKS LIKE THEY SHOULD IN THEIR LINE OF WORK HOLY SHIT

>>732547086
He's right, and they have Fortnite to prove it. That game can still damn near run on a toaster no problems in UE5. Most developers these days are just lazy hacks who don't want to put the work in.

>>732547086
Yeah just don't use Unreal Engine.
Simple as.

>>732550794
>Most developers these days are just lazy hacks who don't want to put the work in.
it's about money, not laziness

>pay programmer to massage engine into being useful for what you are actually doing with it
vs.
>use safe choices and use the money to buy up a ton of asset slop from indians so you can then scream "EYYY BUY A BETTER COMPUTER WE GOT ASSETS YOU WANTED ASSETS WE GOT ASSETS"

applies on every aspect, not only the engine... I'm playing cyberponk 2077 now and it's heartbreaking how much effort was put into that slopcity but they didn't even bother asking an architect... so it's obviously the city ended up a piece of shit overall

>>732547086
he isn't wrong. back when games were made by straight white men there were no stutters. now that they are made by women and indians they are unplayable

>>732550879
it was same problem with Unity while it was still alive tho... and the same reason nobody used the idTech engines even though they were free: you needed to put in the effort

>>732547086
>make an engine that any retard can pick up and use, literal plug and play with retard proof tutorials and libraries
>act surprised when, despite retard proofing, games made on your engine run like fucking garbage because you never bother to tell people how to optimize
>or worse, you tell them to their faces that using shit like lumen instead of baking your lighting is a good thing.

>>732550246
>every UE5 game runs badly
>I have [mid to low range toaster]
everytime lol

Then why does Fortnite run like shit too

>>732547086
>Be a dev
>Use big box game engine with barely any understanding of how it actually works
>Bad performance ensues when you make the gaming equivalent of ten thousand else if statements.
Are most modern game devs no different than a group of people trying to make a game like ff6 in rpg maker?

>engine with source code available to fully modify
>"t-the engine forcedthem to do (thing)!"-4chan niggas

>>732547086
I absolutely believe this. Game developers always say "dude don't worry about optimization early on just make it look good bro! optimize when you need to!!!" and then the result is shit

Devs are bribed by gpu companies to not optimize their games.

>>732547086
>it's devs' fault bwaaaaahh
that doesn't fix the shit performance
I fucking hate chinkpic

Blaming the engine for the settings the devs choose is like blaming a microwave for burning down your house after you put tinfoil in it

Their own big game, fortnite, runs like absolute shit.
So yeah, it clearly is the engines fault

>>732552870
you keep spamming this lie but nobody's falling for it nigger

>>732551136
to be fair just about every engine has dogshit and/or schitzo documentation. it's always been necessary for developers to do the research and actually figure out how shit works and how to use it properly despite this.
the difference is that you used to have to do that to get shit to work at all. so it was a hard barrier, as opposed to now where it'll work out of the box even if you're a retard who just turns every feature on because MORE GRAPHICS must be good right

>>732552729
indie dipshits do say that a lot thanks to all the snake oil salesmen and outright bad actors like derek yu handing down their dogshit wisdoms in the early days

when it comes to studio devs though it's more a case of "quick get a vertical slice together ASAP for the publisher/investors, worry about implementing shit properly later", followed by those people saying "looks good to me, here's the minimum amount of money necessary to just add some more levels or whatever and ship it, if you don't like that we'll give the contract to some other retards who will"

>>732553297
Everything in this post is true and correct

>>732551137
>5070 is mid to lowrange toaster
lmao deranged sucker

>>732552868
For your analogy
>Microwave manufacturer advertised you can put any metal inside your microwave
>It's totally safe bruh
>It just works, don't worry about it

>>732553297
Elegant coding practices are infinitely better than any other means to improve performance. The whole an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

>>732553279
Fortnite absolutely runs like shit for what it is lil fella.

>>732548703
Wow, the game with N64 graphics runs well on modern cards?

>>732547086
yeah it's the developers' fault for using the engine in the first place

>>732553509
>Clearly see years in advance that it isn't totally safe
>Do it anyway
Wooooooooooooooooooooow what was the counterplay????

>>732553564
objectively true but it's also the case that a lot of projects end up in limbo if you spend forever on that before putting a single pixel on the screen

but I still think that's a better situation than selling new devs the idea that you MUST write dogshit code

so while I agree personally I think it'd be better if people just shut the fuck up and let devs follow their groove and find the path of least resistance based on their own personality. the proscriptive shit is 90% an ego boost for whoever is talking with zero regard for its effect on projects in the real world. there's no right way to approach game development, the degree to which they need to resemble an enterprise product versus some cum chalice spaghetti jam abortion and the actual consequences of doing things one way or the other is entirely variable depending on the project itself (and its scope).

>>732547086
Batman games look better than most modern slop and they use UE3/4.

>>732553707
I mean theres games like Abiotic Factor that dont get 300fps.

>>732553975
Yet despite this being common a knowledge, shit still happens.
Who know making good performing software was hard? Right?

>>732554037
Just like most things, "good enough" is generally the best approach to anything.
I'm sure plenty of old games have memory leaks that build up over time and are game breaking, but because people don't play the games for more than a few hours at a time the issue is irrelevant and a waste of time to fix.

Did you know someone went through and fixed all the code in Mario 64, allowing for a lag free 30fps experience including multiplayer with Luigi? The devs at the time simply did not have the time or built up coding knowledge to do this.

>>732554716
Erm no, this is impossible
We all know old games were coded better and coding is lost technology, nobody can code anymore
please stop lying on 4chin thx