Explain this shit to me, why would Caesar NOT appoint a successor if his end goal was to assimilate the NCR into the Legion?
>>732564163because they don't understand roman culture
>>732564163Because the show runners are gay
>>732564163>ur a faget
maybe he got all bummed out after losing the second battle of hoover dam and thought the legion didn't live up to his own ideals or something, idk
>>732564163Because show is retarded. Caesar clearly wanted to create something that would be stable and outlast him. Even if this likely would not happen, it was still the intention. Hollyjew needs to stop adapting games (and books) directly, trying to copy plots that were not designed for this.They could have made an ok Fallout show without focusing directly on games, but normafaggots can't handle that.
>>732564163>eats the paper instead of throwing it in one of the many fires aroundthere was one right there in the background
>>732564163Caesar wanted to do an Alexander and let his Legates fight it out. His whole philosophy is “might makes right”. Did you play the game.
>>732564163Because Caesar knew the legion in its current state was unsustainable. That's why he wanted to take over Vegas in NV, so the legion could in theory be transformed into a proper civilization which could outlast him. The legion ending isn't canon to the show though, so he just ends it with his death.
What if I told you dictators are usually megalomaniacs?
>>732564218Caesars Legion is a bastardized understanding of Rome
>>732564163Because he had a big brain tumor and was delusional because of it
>>732564435Also Caesar is an idiothttps://youtu.be/oLTuysEzqhQ?si=-TVZ-C9vLfZa8sII
>>732564447whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?
>>732564346he was hungry.
>>732564320Also, New Vegas doesn't need a sequel, in game or other format. Unlike most games it has quite a lot of player divergent choices for post game world, and you basically fuck up and alienate a lot of people with sequels. They need to fuck off from NV, make something new.
>>732564250god, please, someone photoshop that message.
>>732564163cuz chuds r dumb lmfao
>>732564909reddit
>>732565190Use full sentences.
>>732564320The fanfiction show is the epitome of >we took the concept of what people like but redeveloped it into our piston, lesser version because we don’t know any better
>>732564909Now that is the single most reddit midwit thing ever written.
>>732565624Can't even call it fanfiction, since it's not made by fans.Corpofiction? Whatever.
This Show is retarded with an hard R.The NCR clearly lost on all front, 2/3 of all camps admit they are fucked. Only with the help of a literal demi God, they are capable of surviving another week. Even though the courier managed to somewhat secure the dam and dismantle a Legion chapter in vegas, they should be nowhere near to total collapse. The NCR officals said multiple times that the beurocrats are destroying the republic, even WITH the dam.Ceaser knew this, victory was certain, even with his death.This whole show is lazy, stupid slop. Would've been much more interesting with a strong legion and a Resitance forming over the seasons.
>>732564346You wouldn't understand
>>732564163I might be forgetting something but wasn't the whole point of the Roman aesthetics of the Legion a temporary measure and way to unify the tribes of the east? I seem to remember Ceasar mentioning that in one of his conversations and it was never supposed to be a permanent thing but a transition into something more stable.
>>732565823Wait! People unironically watch the show?
>>732565983No, I am only forming my opinion from 4chan threads like you, fellow chudler
Who gives a fuck about the show? Season 1 was largely original, and primarily used the Fallout set as window dressing. It sucked. Season 2 tried to appease fans by filling every episode with references to characters, factions, and locations from New Vegas, and it still sucked. The show just sucks. There's no point in trying to discuss it.
Real winner is Mr House with his cyborg Courier and his Think Tanks, Khans, Boomers, backed robot army.
There. I made it make sense.
>>732566585KEVIN
>Ever since losing its queen, the NCR has been weaker, more diffuse. Democracy has been its weakness, not its strength. >Greed runs rampant. The government is corrupt, accepting bribes from Brahmin barons and landowners, to the detriment of citizens. >The NCR is a loose conglomerate of individuals looking out for themselves. It's lost virtue. No one cares about the collective, the greater good. >It's not built to last. I'm just hastening the inevitable. >I'd seen what had become of the NCR's attempts to emulate the culture of Pre-War America - the in-fighting, the corruption. >Rome was a highly militarized autocracy that effectively integrated the foreign cultures it conquered. >It dedicated its citizens to something higher than themselves - to the idea of Rome itself. >In Rome I found a template for a society equal to the challenges of the post-apocalyptic world - a society that could and would survive. >A society that could prevent mankind from fracturing and destroying itself in this new world, by establishing a new Pax Romana. >It means a nationalist, imperialist, totalitarian, homogenous culture that obliterates the identity of every group it conquers. >Long-term stability at all costs. The individual has no value beyond his utility to the state, whether as an instrument of war, or production. The showrunners/writers are just ignorant retards.
>>732565227reddit.com
>>732566838>Long-term stability at all costsSomething which Rome famously didn't have
>>732566170For real, this time. Why would you expect anything that comes out today, on any of the major platforms, not to be a stupid piece of dog water? Explain it to me like I'm a mentally ill redditor.
>>732566950Rome got too big. Caesar planned to stop conquering after winning the Dam and turn the Legion into a standing army.
>>732564163The show should've just been an anthology, I'd much rather see several smaller stories instead of a paper mache larger story.
>>732567061And then what? The problem with Caesar plan is that we the audience knows what happened to the Rome he models his empire after, he gives NCR shit for selling out to barons and landowner with the general corruption. Like Rome didn't have this shit as well, in fact in Rome the barons would have been the ones who ruled the republic/empire
>>732564250>>732564163
The only way that would've saved this show was that the message actually wasn't a message but the platinum chip
>>732567348He talks about this directly.>The NCR has all of the problems of the ancient Roman Republic - extreme bureaucracy, corruption, extensive senatorial infighting. >Just as with the ancient Republic, it is natural that a military force should conquer and transform the NCR into a military dictatorship.
>>732566950>Exists for half a millennium with its rump state surviving for another millenniumYeah such an unstable countryHow many countries existed for same amount of time since then?
>>732564163Is that the kid from Home Alone?
>>732567348Not him but Edward sees the NCR as completely overbloated and lack of any vision to sustain its citizens. He wants the Legion to combine with it its rigid values and spirituality so that it can merge as a strong and durable society that can not only survive the Wasteland but conquer it for all time.
>>732567538But he's ignoring how all the problems that the Roman republic had also carried over into the Roman Empire. Any issue it fix also created new ones And what's this about Rome having extreme bureaucracy? Asterix is not a valid source >>732567573Persia, China and India all existed before Rome and they existed long after Rome
>>732564163Because he was most likely lying through his teeth to anyone and everyone about his true intentions. His self-proclaimed 'End Goal'? Bullshit. It was about acquiring power. Pure power. In discovering the history about the real Roman Empire, he found the template from which he could scrounge up power for himself. In Vegas(and Hoover Dam), he found the brightest wildest light in the distance(his 'Rome'), and in the NCR, he found the enemy he could craft his finest tales around as a vanquished enemy(a 'Carthage'). He was also most likely too broken in the head to even consider carrying his lineage via a prodigy, as that would require SHARING said power.All that said, what the hell would he care once he died and no longer had anything to do with what he created? Dude was a Follower growing up; I doubt he really believed in any sort of afterlife beyond death.
>>732567789Yeah it's true he doesn't have all the answers and there are a lot of potential problems with his plans. But he wasn't a "this ends with me" guy, just the opposite.
Why the fuck would the Legion be quarreling over who's he legitimate successor IN VEGAS? Why didn't they go back to Arizona or closer to their home territory? You going to tell me they got nuked to or something?
>>732567926>power is the end goalYou completely misunderstood the point of the Legion then. They use power as a tool for civilization. Accruing power is how they became the Legion, it's not the endgoal, it's a means to an end as Caesar explains. Hence they have to be so cruel and ultra-disciplined it because it's the only thing that has united all the tribal savages together into a common cause they actually believe in.
>>732568192>Hence they have to be so cruel and ultra-disciplined it because it's the only thing that has united all the tribal savages together into a common cause they actually believe in.Is that also why they need to backstab and betray valuable allies?
>>732568361Look at the allies they "backstab". They are either, completely incompatible into assimilating into the Legion or are active agents of subversions that are only sustained by a wartime Legion.
>>732568361>backstab and betrayLegion doesn't do that, they lie about terms and conditions regarding joining up but they follow the standard procedures as they do with every tribe.
>>732568471Horeshit and you know it, there was zero reason to exterminate the Twisted Hairs and if they can't be assimilated then why make that promise?
>>732568563>they lie about terms and conditions regarding joining up That's even worse and are you really that lying isn't betraying?
>>732568641Every tribe has its culture destroyed and their people enslaved, no exceptions.
>>732564163Todd really hates New Vegas and the people who made it lmao.
>>732564163If I recall, none of his legionnaires in the game ever figured out what his actual goal for the Legion was (create a homogenized culture capable of surviving in the wasteland to eliminate the constant tribal warfare), much less how to enact it.
>>732567789>IndiaNot even an actual civilization. Just a landmass of subhumans left alone to live like feral animals until British people arrived to force civilization upon them.
>>732569607Come back when your Civilization comes up with a number system that stands the test of time, or has zero as a number.
>>732569703Not that anon but the reason why India even exists and not some warring tribal hellhole that has constant territory, clan and religious wars is because of the UK. The Mongols via the Mughal Empire did the same thing, the Maratha as well. India has to be conquered.
>>732569703Modern day jeets did not invent that you dumbass nigger. Those people have been long gone for a long time.
>>732570000Such a glorious number wasted on the standard right wing nazi horseshit, you know the white mans burden was a satire and was arguing against colonisation right? >>732570083Irrelevant to the topic at hand
>>732570415>white man's burdenWho do you think the Ghurids were? And the various other Muslin dynasties in India? Indian nationalism was born out of UK's administrative and educational reforms during their time in India.
>>732570000>I have never read a history book
>>732570580The British Raj is the INDIA Indians are known for. There was no Indian nation-state beforehand.
>>732570562>Who do you think the Ghurids were? And the various other Muslin dynasties in India? Groups that never reached the heartland and southern tip
>>732570675>There was no Indian nation-state beforehandThat's exactly what the British wants us to think
>>732570415It is relevant because you're acting like india has had one single continuous civilization for the past 3000 years which is nowhere near the reality
>>732570772But is that "southern tip" India? Indians never called themselves Indians back then. THE BRITISH RAJ is the one that consolidated and made modern India and the idea of the Indian peoples. Before that it was all fragments of regional powers.
>>732564163the showrunners fundamentally do not understand the material they are adapting
>>732570998When showrunners brag about how they never read the books or played the games or anything like that, why do they act like that's a positive quality? All that really tells us is that they haven't engaged with the part of a franchise that people actually liked, and accordingly know nothing about it.
>>732564163>let’s pretend to be Romans even though America is already Neo-Rome and the NCR actually acts like Rome did without the LARP styleYeah this faction is retarded and only seems cool if you play NV as a little kid
