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Why is there no spiritual successor to this game?
>>732643748because no one understands why this game is so great
>>732643293The Kid left, the community killed Hax and are full of sex offenders, who cares?
>>732643986even the genius mostly responsible for it doesn't understandtruly there will never be another
>>732643293>perfectionPic unrelated right? It...it has Marth in it. PIC UNRELATED RIGHT?
>>732643293Yet you play on UCF
>>732644323well it's imperfect yes, but in its imperfection... it's perfect
>>732644323Dude we just had a LUIGI beat the Marth player in the world. TWICE
>>732644739I'm glad that stupid "melee only has 8 characters" argument was finally put to rest.
Ironic how the game's rushed, unfinished and buggy nature made it the gem it is.
>>732644739I don't care. As long as he wasn't beaten out of being a character in the game, it's imperfect. He was the precursor to all of the FEslop and his existence will forever be a blemish on all things Nintendo.
It got less characters than ultimate
>>732644936name one bug
>>732644936This was true for a lot of games made in that era. The lesson gamedevs looking to top or re-create melee was to make your own game engine.
>>732645064freeze glitch
>>732643293all melee needs is for someone to change the movesets of the clones and then I'll consider it perfect. ganondorf plays better in ultimate for example
>>732645064Black hole
guys melee is the easy game. its over... >>732645065>>732644663
>>732645064Wavedashing
>>732643293Brawl and Ultimate are better.
>>732645253Not this fucking schizo again. Is he back to get washed by gold ranked /v/irgins for the third time in a row?
>Melee players still coping that their game comes anywhere NEAR tekken in terms of skill or execution or the sheer knowledge and balls required to get good at the game
>>732645418Kekken
>Meleesnoy keeps making the same thread everyday
>>732645418Ain't anybody still playing Tekken 4
>>732643748There can't be. It would be "Melee 2.0".People who likes playing Melee will keep playing Melee. You need a completely new audience for a new platfighter series. When you start with "Melee players will like this" you already lost. Its like trying to make SM64 fans into Crash and Spyro PS1 trilogy fans. Same trap that many "we want to be the next Fortnite/Overwatch" devs/publishers fall into.Just focus on party game aspect.
>>732645647>Just focus on party game aspectThis
>>732644069this pretty much
>>732643293Brawl is better>b-butBrawl is better
>>732645745Chad take
>>732645745I like Brawl but I'd never choose to go back and play it.
>>732643748Sakurai makes the sequels bad on purpose and everyone else is too lazy to make an actually good game.
>>732645403Never happened. I beat every single opponent. >>732645745Both Brawl and Smash 4 are more fun to play because of tourneyfags ruining Melee, that doesn't mean it's a better game. Floaty physics suck.
>>732643293>>732646016Okay, snoy.
>>732643748There have been many but they've all failed because they try to make the game super competitive pushing away the casual trying to cater to meleefags but melee pedos don't want to move away from their security blanket game so those spiritual successors end up dying as a result
>>732645745The story mode, while ngl is THE best thing Samurai ever made, carried it.
>>732645543They're just crying because melee is dead
>>732645745This/thread
>>732645745I swear to god if Sakurai doesn't make a subspace sequel I'm going to Japan and I'm going to flick his balls
>>732647803prease understand, cutscene reak onrine, very dishonorabru, no more storyrine, no trophy either, too many wikipedia, prease unrock many nintendo PNG
>>732648117Didn't stop him making Air Riders story be a body horror for no reason though.
>>732646702Also called Jeremy and JoshyHe likes dbz and Naruto and superman kek
>>732646983ruined by adaptive difficulty
>>732645745Based The Subspace Emissary on its own mogs that dog shit unfinished party game that was Melee.
>>732648432last time I checked you could make it as difficult as you wanted.
>>732648656You're not actually saying that "story" is more important that Melee's revolutionary high speed mechanics are you?
>>732648826Well, yes. You don't want a fun interaction between the cast? Why does speed and hard to master mechanics matter so much to you?
>>732648826not that anon but yes
>>732648969>why does fun matter to you?umm
>>732648969>>732649026It wasn't good enough to classify it as a "better game" Melee completely revolutionized the original Smash Bros in so many ways it's mind boggling, the scientific calculations that changed Melee in so many subtle ways absolutely mogged the """story""" in Brawl. Plus they were missing characters like Roy and Mewtwo...
>>732645064playable master hand
>>732649608>revolutionary high speed mechanics>roy and mewtwo
>>732649608lmao melee pedos are delusional
>>732645745When was the last time you played Brawl
>>732643748>>732643293>"Play Rivals 2." - Plup
>>732650367plup did not say that
Melee had the best single player content. People only liked Subspace emissary due to the cutscenes. The actual platforming, exploration, enemies etc were ill fitting for the experience. Only the bosses redeemed the experience somewhat.
>>732651810melee events, trophy gallery and target test were great but adventure mode was half baked and "mario meets link" is what a lot of people (skewed to kids and nostalgiafags) want out of smash
>>732650367I am. It's good. Genesis this weekend.
>>732649731Yes. When you aren't spamming and running around back and forth like a retard you can use tight knit combos that make use of melee's heavier gravity>>732650091Tourneyfags are meleepedos, I'm just playing slippi and interacting with people who play this game so I know how to make a better one
>>732652995i like roy and mewtwo but they are both slow and clumsy by design
>>732652995whatever you say pedophile
>>732652473I'm gonna punt this fox.
>>732653061Nah, you just aren't playing them right, you need setups with powerful attacks to lead into combos, not gay bitch spam. Melee is ruined cause everyone plays like a Fox. Different characters fight differently, you have to embody the character you're playing as and fight like they'd fight>>732653070The literal president of the United States is a verified pedophile can we stop grandstanding unless we're gonna actually do shit? It just sounds so pathetic and sad now insulting anyone for not being "superior" when the literal elites are cannibal pedophiles
>>732653208Go ahead, do it in cube form
>>732653328So glad I'm going in the literal opposite direction of Rivals. Should be a hit.
>>732653285stop grooming children
>>732653528You're brainwashed by the military industrial complex into thinking you're the "top dog" closeted homosexual gay bully by using groupthink to try and "shame" anyone who doesn't agree with you using spam slop rhetoric which doesn't even make sense. Much like how Melee players spam in a way that, in reality, doesn't make sense. Curious. Gonna actually discuss things now that you've been trvked or do you need to continue to "shut it down" and control the narrative like a braindead freak who's egotistical madness is thrown into a panic any time they feel they're out of their scope
>>732653285what about mewtwo would you say falls under "revolutionary high speed mechanics" (other than his wavedash), or for that matter "powerful attacks"? how can you "fight like mewtwo would fight" when he is extremely light, floaty and weak?
>>732653761stop trying to fuck children
>>732653946Dodge, downsmash, teleport, fair. He's unpredictable, same as any smash character, you can easily use a downsmash at low percent with a short hop fair for some serious damage then reset.Not every I'm interaction should be a zero to death spam fest. You can build damage slowly and methodically and then strategically hit with an energy ball or forward smash for a legit KO
>>732654231i recommend trying his nair and dtilt
>>732654184Cope. You're an insane Indian shill. People can joke about meleefags being pedos and use actual examples for fun but being this adamant about every player reeks of curry and insecurity
>>732643553But I do hide gacha threads
>>732654359I hate tilt spam. I have never had a scenario(besides Falcon's axe kick) where it is actually more useful to use a tilt than a smash. I end up solely accidentally doing tilts instead of smashes or dash attack
I don't know what's funnier, a nu-smashfag trying to project his love for children onto Meleefags or ROIDschizo trying to argue in earnest. At least ROID doesn't fuck children unlike the nu-smashfags.
>>732654545>ANON#404 eternally seething that I don't think running back and forth under a platform baiting a punish is actual gameplayThere's really no game unless I engage. It's forcing other people to adapt to Fox's style and it ruins it for everyone except brainwashed tourneyfags. Anyone will be able to play my game and actually enjoy launch mechanics.
>>732654368pedo
>>732654531interesting
>>732645745Easily the best single player smash content even if the theme'ing of the levels was weirdly generic for a crossover. and all you need to make it actually good is a 2GB SD card!
>>732654872Juggling sucks, chaingrab sucks, nair spam sucks, the only combos that are real combos are chaining a set of different moves
>>732655029you seem to dislike more mechanics than the competitive players who you also dislike do
>>732654759It's good you found a mortal enemy in your good fight of "melee without spam" but I'm not him. Good luck on your game can't wait to see how shit it is when you finally release it 50 years from now.
>>732643748Rivals tried and failed. It just can't be done.
One final patch for balance changes and fixing shit that just outright doesn't work as it should, like Yoshi's grab or the entirety of fucking G&W.
>>732655304>made the game piss easy so anyone can play itthey did not try
>>732655145You're definitely him, you're the only one who spams about my idea trying to appeal to authority instead of actually just engaging the argument>>732655134Those aren't mechanics, those are exploits. Mechanics are things like Roy's counter which is "punished" and turns the tide of the game because people can't aim and are flailing around constantly spamming so I can't predict where and attack will be due to the fact that they're counting on whiffing, which is just absurd due to the reverse of that being their whiff can be completely "punished"So if basically forces me and everyone else to fight a certain way, which is either avoiding the punish or exploiting it. There's an entirely different way I'm trying to explain here
>>732655304I dropped it early on because they spammed balance patches too much. but i think modern fighting game fans like that sort of thing now?
>>732655416Work on your game ROID you have yet to show a screenshot or video of said game. You're not just an ideas guy right?
>>732655416i don't understand how you can talk up melee's high gravity movement and simultaneously bitch about fastfall nairs and the character who benefits the most from that high gravity movement. maybe i'm confusing two posters for one. fox/falco/falcon are also relatively easy to gimp because of their fall speed (and falco/falcon's shitty recoveries), so once you use your beloved launch mechanics to get them off stage, good edge guarding is a logical and satisfying method of sealing the deal. as an aside, many of the "exploits" you dislike are the product of the same rushed development that led to most of roy's moves being programmed incorrectly.out of curiosity, how do you feel about sheik?
>>732654759ANON#404 is the code for 4chan teams, idiot.
>>732655885It has a mechanic that I don't want to reveal, also I don't want /v/trannies reviewbombing my game based on them recognizing my style. Furthermore I am developing it right now and in order to do that I have to discuss gameplay design with people who play a similar game, as much as I'd like to make the game solely for myself and non-melee players, melee-players still have valuable input that I can use to something legitimate without needing to consult a team.
>>732655304Rivals will likely be fine in the long-term. Dan over-hired after the game's launch outperformed expectations, so the remainder of 2026 is fulfilling their roadmap while waiting until the console release is ready. Console release itself is the do or die moment for RoA2. Consider that>it's prohibitively difficult to run locals and regionals at the moment because you need desktop PCs and gaming laptops, as opposed to one streaming PC / laptop and a bunch of GCNs / Wiis / Switches>the majority of platform fighter players are on Switch and Switch 2, especially in Japan>the game is likely to release on Switch 2 while Melee is continuing to decline and Ultimate is continuing to degenerateThat said, there's a bigger issue: Smash players refuse to play anything that isn't Smash. Melee players want to play Melee, even if it's dying as an esport; and people who play new Smash games will play whatever the newest Smash is, even if it's fucking miserable and no one is happy. They like Smash, not platform fighters or fighting games in general. The IP is what matters to them.The most likely outcome is that it remains in its "small, dedicated playerbase" niche, and development winds down in 2 years. As Coney said, RoA2 is proof that you can make a good game and no one will play it.
>>732656183so, in other words, you have literally nothing
>>732655972Because I hate gimping, gimping is cucked. They're not good because of precision countering with smash moves, sometimes resulting in a trade. That's how I got around it while still having or trying to have fun. >>732656147Nah he's never active on it, he's just baiting me to waste my time
>>732656183So you are just an ideas guy, embarrassing.
>>732656353I have all the stances modeled, several animations, an entire Smash tutorial in UE4 and global blueprints, none of which I intend on revealing, not even my art style which is too iconic and memorable to share>>732656437Nah, I have the main system down now I'm just trying to design all the attacks while not copying Melee, whether or not to ditch tilts is a huge decision that I needed to discuss right now.
>>732645064g&w's aerials being wrongly coded as specials instead of normal attacks so they can't be L-canceled his f-air is right though and can be L-canceled so it's definitely not on purpose that the rest of the are fucked up
>>732645064invisible ceiling glitch
>>732648695every time you get a game over on a stage, it secretly lowers the difficulty slightly. lose enough times and it becomes identical to if you just picked a lower difficulty.
>>732656271>Rivals will likely be fine in the long-term.Anon... are you so 4chan shitpost brained that you thought I meant that Rivals "failed" financially? No, you retard, Rivals tried to be a spiritual successor to Melee and it failed to do so. It's a shit game. >Smash players refuse to play anything that isn't Smash. Melee players want to play MeleeThe issue is that Rivals doesn't play like Melee. Even Rivals 1 feels more like Melee than Rivals 2 does, but neither one of them are truly Melee. Back when I was playing Rivals 2, everyone lived to retarded percents and no one died unless you blast zoned them. Everyone can always make it back. That, imo, is the most egregious example of Rivals being nothing like Melee, but the game is absolutely full of things that do not feel anything like Melee despite having similar tech.
>>732645253that is hilarious>I'm actually better than you because I DON'T throw! (cheater's Lament)
going to post these two clips because theyre examples i have on hand of rivals 2 being a lame game not designed for the creative melee mind
>>732658659Marth spamming grab is a tragedy. His blade dance owns. Anyway I just added something strategic that made me kinda realize that I should stop posting here cause my game will probably end up being too challenging for you guys. Low-IQ spammers cannot adapt to thoughtful strategy like how Marth adapted from an RPG into a fighter
>The issue is that Rivals doesn't play like Melee. Even Rivals 1 feels more like Melee than Rivals 2 does, but neither one of them are truly Melee.Why is this an issue? I don't want Rivals to be Melee. I'm happy that there's an alternative to Smash Bros. that's fun and has its own identity. And that's the issue here: you're comparing Rivals to Melee on Melee's terms, rather than playing Rivals on Rivals' terms. It isn't a flaw that edgeguarding is different in Rivals, the issue is that you expect it to be identical to Melee. I'm friends with a Melee player who was PR'd in the most competitive region, and he effortlessly dog walks me in Melee. His biggest criticism of the game was>there's no edgeguardingand at first I agreed with him. As it turns out, there is edgeguarding, it's just different from Melee because RoA2 is a different game. He's still stuck in platinum despite his Melee fundamentals because he just refuses to go offstage despite playing Kragg.If I want to play Melee, I'll play Melee. Melee is Melee, and it's very likely that Melee is all Melee will ever be. No one is ever going to make a true spiritual successor to Melee, and even if they did, Melee players would denounce it because it isn't Melee. So play Melee.
>>732658854>>732658932you've posted these multiple times before, and each time you've been told exactly how and why what these players aren't doing didn't work. you're just another obsessed webm spammer. you're no better than those people who spam the same dark souls and elden ring webms dozens, if not hundreds of times.
Eric, Eric the GameCube fanboy.Seethes at the Switch, behaves like a snoy.Pretends Nintendo's flop era was good,And that broken trash like Melee was "misunderstood".Mindbroken by the Switch 2's success,He will suck Iwata's dick in excess.
>>732658932>>732658854>I'll just keep reposting WebMs, then they'll HAVE to agree with my retarded opinionsWow, I... I never thought of it that way. Thank you, you've opened my eyes. I truly understand the "creative melee mind" now.
>>732644145sakurai said that a lot of the glitches were known about and left in on purpose. I do not believe him.
nobody would care about melee nor smash if it didn't have nintendo characters. Even Iwata knew that
>there can't be a spiritual successor to meleeahem https://fluidgames.gg/this is where fizzi's melee clone is supposed to go, but i guess they have nothing to show. but trust the plan.
>>732659808That's quite a profound statement there. Nobody has ever thought that before.
>>732659808My game is the Spiritual Successor to Dragon King: The Fighting Gaming
.............doubles?
justice for haxdeath to melee
>>732661595they should just ban all TOs and everyone who entered a tournament while Hax$ was banned
