Why do people think Suselle is an an endgame when entire Deltarune plotline focus on Kris and Susie? Susie only get bashfull over Kris and not when hugging Noelle.
>>733365337Because Toby has a thing for bad lesbian pairings
>>733365457But he self inserts as Kris and not Noelle
>>733365337Omg give it a rest. Ch5 will release relatively soon so you can bitch about it then
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHMHng7w1hQI think you should kill yourself, Kris.
>>733365976create a name and trip so we can make fun of you for thinking Suselle is assured
>>733365337We're all true gamers here. We know what the correct choice is.
>>733365963That's not self-inserting, he's us-inserting
>>733365337>deltatroondaily spam thread
>>733365337Cope
>>733366142Never said Suselle was going to happen. There are in game indications that it won't work out, or at least shouldn't. That being said, I wouldn't bet any serious money either way.
>>733366280He won.
>>733365337How can Toby cater to both susellefags and krusiefags? Kriselle is already covered in the weird route.
>>733366640He throws every ship a bone because shipfags and theorists are free advertisement.
>>733366367Can't wait for the day we finally get a reporting option for "general" threads outside of /vg/.
>>733366280Do you think he wrote this page already knowing he will self insert others into scenario with his dream girl?
>>733365963You fucking fool.Toby DOES indeed self-insert as Kris. This is nigh irrefutable. HOWEVER, seeing his well-documented dyke fetish playing out right in front of his eyes? That he spent the last 10 years thinking about how to execute for one final yuricucking?Nothing is stopping him. The tumblr poll merely cemented the fact that he gave Krusiefags a bit too many crumbs, and he WILL correct this the moment Chapter 5 starts.
>>733365337Because Suselle fans are emasculated Epstein disciples who’d rather sit in the chair.
Kris and Susie are a platonic power couple of gremlins.
>>733366732Noelle WILL ask to watch.
We need some brave anon find and make a picture of actual Toby Fox in 2026. He looks differently on every photo.
>>733366893toby is playing with his well-crafted legacy as the "internet's favorite" here thoughthere's easy shit such as spamtenna, but the kris/susie/noelle trio? yikes man
Chapter 5 will be insane when it turns out Susie was never interested in Noelle when asking about ferris wheel with Kris, but actually wanted to learn more how is like to be going on a date with Kris before asking him about it on festival evening
>>733366893>Kerdly at 52.i have selected every berdly option and will try my hardest to have berdly fuck kristry hitting me with a hockey stick again, faggot
>there is no shipping at the festival, bro
why do people like kris again
>shipfaggotryBOOOOOORIIINNGGGGGDrop your single most demented schizo theory, and I will give you a Shadow Crystal for your hard work.
>>733367550kris is the knight, because our kris is a copy
>>733365457The aesthetic of Suselle, Undyne and Alphys being the exact same, in addition to the tropes being the exact same as those in Western cartoons that Toby is aligned with.
>>733367542You are retarded for trying to shit on Kris while knowing nothing about the plotline and his backstory. Either that or you're a child.
>>733365337The demoralization WILL continue
>>733367550Noelle Knighter happens, but that also makes Krusie canon
>>733366893>Every other tumblr ship is gay>Toby loves YuriThis confirms that endgame is revealing Kris is a girl before they wed Susie.
>>733368083Ah yes, Toby Fox is mostly familiar and related to western cartoons like.....(adjust glasses) Omori, Earthbound, Breath of Fire, Chrono Trigger, Visual novels, eroge etc
Remember when people thought it was Kris making Noelle do evil shit?Good times.
>>733367550Rudy is the Knight, and being the Knight is slowly killing him
>>733367550Asgore WILL be JEALOUS as FUCK during the Festival.His Black Shard plan WILL failHe will TRY to reach Toriel through words, but this is where Toriel WILL publicly say the terrible sin he committed in DeltaruneHe WILL turn to Rudy for guidance, Rudy WILL cheer him up but will also suddenly COLLAPSE. (not dead but in very bad shape)THIS is where we finally, after 10+ years, get MADgoreBy the end of the chapter, he will be fucking imprisoned (for his actions and stuff that he didnt actually do)
>>733368550I like how people forget Noelle wasn't brainwashed on snowgrave and that normal route with Suselle is her dishonest fake cope self
>>733368698>he still thinks Toby will allow Asgore to be anything other than a jokeGive it up dude
What the fuck is his problem
>>733368915Non-binary furry in a town of gay retards
>>733368814I remember when people said Toby would never portray Toriel as anything but the perfect mother.
>>733368915Born to fuck human women, forced to be a furry.
>"Don't let your guard down. That chair is going to kick your ass!"
Krisellebros how we holding?
>>733368983Toriel had a very clear asshole side since Undertale that people pretend didin't exist for whatever reason
>>733368698>the first world>MANCOUNTRY (we only see what remains of it)>THE MAN's creation>gaster gets butthurt and doesnt give you the (WITHOUT ISSUE) achievements if you get the egg from him>the second world>DELTARUNE>W.D. Gaster's creation>actually exists in the world and we will see him>the previous owner, the man, is completely forgotten with only fragments of him existing>the third world>UNDERTALE>kris or susie's world>the previous owner, gaster, is completely forgotten with only fragments of him existing
>>733369569Everyone loves her in-game, she's supposed to be the perfect mother figure for the player, and even Asgore (who was wronged the hardest by her) is begging for her forgiveness. Only the far and few slowscholars could read between the lines.The way she is portrayed at the end of chapter 4 is a far cry from that, and Torielfags was convinced Asgore wasn't going to do anything in Deltarune because of an unknown action he did that made her hate him.
>>733365337>another shipwar threadI swear we went weeks without you faggots, can you go back to fucking off thanks
>>733369569The worst thing Asgore did in UT was kill six children and the worst thing Toriel did was be kind of a bitch towards Asgore
>>733368698>>733368983>>733369569>>733369928the only thing ACKsgore will do is kill himself (AGAIN) after his shit plan fails
I just think Susie is neat
>>733369569>Toriel had a very clear asshole side since UndertaleBecause she scolded her eggs-husband who she left after he refused to be talked down from murdering (at least) six children?
>>733369209hoping
>>733370461she didn't try to talk anyone downasgore didn't even want to kill the kids, he was forced into it since he's a rulerhe was hoping they'd never come to the underground to begin with
>>733368701>more instances of her laughing normally with kris than anyone else
>>733368698Asgore? Another red herring. Noelle is the one who caused the fire due to jealousy.Carol knight? Also Noelle.
>>733368445His ethos is the same and he's literally working with Vivziepop on the Homestuck cartoon.
>>733370687>asgore didn't even want to kill the kids>he was forced into it since he's a ruler>he was hoping they'd never come to the underground>In a fit of anger, I declared war.>I said that I would destroy any human that came here.>I would use their souls to become godlike...>... and free us from this terrible prison.>Then, I would destroy humanity...>And let monsters rule the surface, in peace.>Soon, the people's hopes returned.>My wife, however, became disgusted with my actions.>She left this place, never to be seen again.
>>733367550
>>733365337did you forget this scene?
>>733370285Why is she like this?
>>733371006shes not like that
>>733368217Kris, get the fuck off of 4chan and go hang out with your dino gf.
>>733370824He works with Hussie, he doesnt give a shit about Vivzie and her autism
Impregnate Kris.
>>733369209Winning every step of the way.
>>733371002>embarassment of someone she didnt interact with acting weird around herUntil she blush in red hue like with Kris it's all a fakeout for the masses
>>733371002>>733368083I'm noticing
>>733371248I don't like the pairing either but you're just delusional
>>733371297This is one of many red flags people ignore and fall for Suselle bait. Toby is laughing at every single retard who fall for it.
>>733365457He doesn't though. Undertale is homoerotic and about same sex male couples, not same sex female couples. The only point people bring up with Toby liking Yuri is Undyne/Alphys, but Alphys was changed into a girl late into development after the pairing was written because Toby expected people to like a female Alphys more than a male one (girl failure vs neckbeard).Kris and Susie are the same pairing as Alphys and Undyne.
>>733368550Toby Fox fans cannot take responsibility for their own decisions.They can't wrap their brains around the meta angle and always shift the blame to some other entity.Been this way since Undertale>Oh, it was Chara who discreetly brainwashed Frisk into doing the Genocide Route!No idiot, it was you. You're an entity in the setting. Your curiosity caused this. You pushed the inputs to make it happen.
>>733371397>no, my take is real here's is my conjecture>someone argue with facts>you're delusionaleven the wokes are aware he's obsessed with Hussie
>>733371467I can take responsibility for my actions, I reject the notion that Toby wants me to think these actions are bad just because he's making sure I know I did them on my own.
>>733371417>about same male couplesLike who? Background gay knights who had less screentime than heterosexual dog knights?
>>733371467yes chara was a mistake. hopefully toby will actually hammer it in more this time (and people are already coping saying the soul is dess or some other shit)
>>733370285this has bothered me since chapter 2 and the new chapters only made it worse
>>733371636>BackgroundYeah, they sure were in the background in the mandatory cutscene where you watch them literally undress, getting hot and sweaty as they eyeball each other. Meanwhile on the genocide route, it literally says their love will end in hell.
>>733371727What? Her not being evil anymore?She was worse before the game btw, he told Kris something like he should go missing and that his mother wouldn't care if it happened
>>733371727She was never really evil she only acted rude in the light world because people expected it but in reality she's just poor and doesn't use leave in conditioner because she thinks she has "frizzy" hair but it's actually just normal curly hair.
>>733365337Because Toby has shilled yuri ships before, but I would prefer Krusie. Shipperfags are just really annoying, though. Who cares if it's going to be canon or not? Just draw fanart and write fanfic of your ship. Toby already approved you writing your own story.
>>733367420That's AI hallucinations
>>733372127>>733371905it wasn't her being "evil" but I was expecting her to slowly open up more over the course of the game instead of instantly the next day, in fact things are progressing way too fast overall, its been only 3 days since the start of the game but people forget due to the long WAIT between chapters and fanon filling in the gaps
>>733367550The Knight and the roaring group chat are working to topple Gaster. They know Gaster made the prophecy and this is his Deltarune and he comes from Undertale, the "original" world. Knight is kidnapping all main characters from Undertale to open the gaster door as sacrifices and beat him up, which is why the intro had that scene of the Knight standing in front of the gaster door. However they are still forced to follow the prophecy so they have to work between the lines.
>>733368445>is mostly familiar and related to western cartoons like.....Bare Bears which Toby voiced a character in its non-binary episode.
>>733372470She never really read as a closed off person to me.
>>733371550That comic pisses me off and I want the creator’s hands cut off.
>>733368915Not a good vessel unlike his sisters.
The part of Deltarune where Susie vores the Soul, or Noelle shoves the soul up her pussy, or when Rasiel shoves the Soul up his ass, or when Berdley cums on the Soul like its a pizza, or when Tem sits on the Soul in order to hatch the weird egg
>>733371893>1950's>Bugs Bunny dresses as a woman and give a big kiss to Elmer Fudd who blushes>everyone laugh except this Anon and Tumblr who see this as representation of queer people in media for kids
>>733371249Humans are made for loving impregnation.
>>733369209The winning ship thanks to the weird route.
>>733372605we know you schizo, post your screencaps about Toby supporting BLM and fuck off back to the same cave Barneyfag lives in
>>733371550Based lolichad Toby.
>>733371652Chara wasn't really a mistake. If Chara didn't exist people would just blame Frisk for the genocides. The "mistake" (if you can call it that) was to not separate the player and the playable character enough, but at the same time that plot point would just make Undertale convoluted.
Kricunny and Noelcunny.
>>733372627what I mean is that when you read noelle's blog or see how she acted before she befriends kris, the change is too sudden, it is not something you do a complete 180 in an afternoon
>>733372935???????
>>733373181Human cunny.
>>733373223She just vibes with Kris
>>733372814It's a larger show of representation than the Undyne thing is ultimately the point. Where as one is an showing of homosexual behavior following the blatant tropes of Yaoi (Strong men, bromance into romance) and always planned as such, the other is played off using tomboy/neet pairing tropes rather than yuri ones and one of the characters was originally planned to be male and only changed towards the end of development.It's likely he has an obsession with neither, but if he has a fetish for one, it's Yaoi not Yuri.
>>733367550Handmade Plushie Ralsei
GRIM
>>733373126How would people perceive Frisk as separate from the Player if not for Chara's existance in the story?
>>733373369>but if he has a fetish for one, it's Yaoi not Yuri.Toby said in the anniversary stream girls like Undyne should end up with Alphys. He likes yuri.
>>733373656True Pacifist ending still has Flowey telling us to let Frisk live her life. People would just say Frisk did it and not realize (you) exist.
>>733373369The gay knights were literally just a joke about "bro it's not gay to go to a gym around muscle men" jocks who probably bullied Toby. Same with drag queen Lion character. People trained on /pol/ are as mentally insane in consuming the product and misinterpreting the author as far left woke tumblr
>>733373612Just use Tumblr's new list rather than this niche poll.
>>733371550>massive history of racismgod I wish that was still hussiethe caucasian debacle was like a cold shower
>>733373721I think people say that because Chara quite explictly turns on the player and kills you. Assuming Frisk wouldn't do that and Genocide just ends there'd be no reason for that distinction because Frisk only starts existing outside of the Player in that meta moment Flowey is telling the player the game is in fact over
>the same five arguments every fucking threadI do not give a fuck about chara, they don't exist in deltarune
>>733373987
>>733370182Toriel's only complaint about the former was that his pedicide wasn't efficient enough
>>733367550Ramb is the key to all of this
>>733374283Kill yourself
>>733373223"The Newest Girl" shows Susie bullying Kris but it also shows that they already had a "thing" going on between them. Susie singled Kris out because she identifies with them as another weird loner kid and resents Kris for being accepted by their peers anyway and for having a wonderful loving mother in Toriel. We don't really know what's going on in Kris's head but they clearly saw right through Susie, they don't take her threats seriously at all and they developed a crush on her immediately when they became friends if they didn't have one already. The chemistry was already there.Even in Chapter 1 it was clear that Susie didn't really hate Kris, the second they find the Dark World the bully persona wavers. She shows concern for Kris's safety when Lancer attacks them and she constantly appeals to Kris to act like her and take her side over Ralsei. She was already trying to make friends with Kris, she's just not willing to let her guard down and abandon the pretenses until Kris jumps in front of King's attack to protect her.
>>733369043>Born to fuck human womenfucker clicked on a “monsters 4 humans” popup with no hesitation. That manlet YEARNS for monster pussy
>>733373968>Chara quite explictly turns on the player and kills you.This literally doesn't happen. Chara destroys the world, not (you), people are just retarded and misinterpreted it to this day. You are right that "since when you were the one in control" is the reason people say "Chara did it" but thinking Frisk is the player is saying "Frisk did it" because she isn't. You are the one doing genocide, not Frisk. So people would still find someone else to blame for what they did.
>>733374427Susie should've been written to be just an antisocial weirdo people are afraid of coming close than an outright bully who's implied to beat up people she doesn't like.
>>733373987>>733374283Chara (and Frisk) totally exist in Deltarune, trust. That or Kris is the AU Chara
>>733374318Toriel dislikes that Asgore took the middle path despite declaring war. That he either didn't give up on it nor that he actually tried to go with it. Instead he was just stalling because he is a coward.
>>733372681The moment Kris showed he could take the soul out was the moment he lost any possible sympathy. He doesn't get to whine or bitch when he has the free will to simply not engage.
>>733374561replace Ralsei with Kris, Kris with SOUL and Berdly with Annoying dog
>>733365337Romance is when two people interact a lot
>>733374792>Chara destroys the world, not (you)Then why is there the slash sprite animating right in front of an empty screen directly after Chara jumpscares the player and progressively moves closer and closer? How was I supposed to interpret this as destroying "the world" and not an attack on the player?
>>733374947he has to do it because of whatever promise he made
>>733374817That is exactly how she's written. She looks scary and mean, so people shun her, so she's become guarded and hostile, because people shun her.When you talk to Monster Kid in Chapter 1 he confirms "I never saw her beat anyone up" and gives an anecdote about Susie watching him and his friends play together, clearly wanting to join them but being too afraid to do so, and capping it off with "anyway Susie sucks haha"
>>733374318>Toriel's only complaint about the former was that his pedicide wasn't efficient enoughKnuckle-dragging retarded ape take
>>733375131How else would you break down the bounds of reality if not attacking the fourth wall?
>>733375240She shoves Kris into a locker 5 minutes into Chapter 1 and threatens to eat Kris' face
>>733374427Biggest problems with why Suselle never feels real is because of Noelle blog.Imagine having a crush on some movie star who barely knows you and you witness him abuse and threateaning to murder your dad working as some catering guy in his studio. If you're still getting horny seeing your close kin or friend get abused, then this is some perversion shit and not innocent crush. Normal girl would support Kris after witnessing or tell the parents or teachers to help him out, not tell Kris to get lost when working on school project so that she can be alone with Susie.
>>733375215Don't care. He chose this. He doesn't get to bitch. Take it on the chin or quit.
>>733375064Yes. Demisexuals have romance like this without ever fucking themselves.
>>733375324This attack on the fourth wall isn't a good representative of destroying the video game world, that's what I'm saying, the aspect of looking like it's attacking the player is far more impactful. It doesn't convey well what it's trying to say at allEven within Undertale itself, things like Flowey breaking your save file were far better
>>733375131>How was I supposed to interpret this as destroying "the world" and not an attack on the player?Because Chara literally says so? She literally says "let's destroy the world and move on to the next". The screen even minimizes and shakes. Chara destroyed the fourth wall. Did you never think to yourself why this happens even when you agree to her proposal and she calls you a great partner?
>>733375346That's not beating them up. If Susie was actually hurting Kris or anyone else she would have been expelled already, if Toriel didn't kill her first.The whole point of Chapter 1 is that Susie isn't that bad and she could be friends with everyone if they just gave her a chance, I'm sorry if you have some personal hangups about bullying but this is really straightforward stuff and you've had like 8 years to figure it out
>>733373659>Girls like UndyneFit sporty girls>Should end up with AlphysFat neet chudsNotice how he didn't say girls like Alphys, only specifying girls like Undyne. He likes the dynamic of fit girl and fat neet.>>733373759Yeah, no shit the gay stuff is a joke. So is the date itself. Almost everything in the game is a joke. Again, my point is the focus of Alphys and Undyne isn't two girls, it's the fit athletic chick getting with the fat, indoor neet. It's literally a caricature of these two.
>>733375584>>733375324originally the game was going to delete itself, its just toby couldn't do it
>>733375360>Imagine having a crush on some movie star who barely knows you and you witness him abuse and threateaning to murder your dad working as some catering guy in his studioThat sure is a completely different deranged scenario you made up in your headMaybe just stick to Deltarune next time
>>733375672>Notice how he didn't say girls like Alphys,I am almost certain he did say "girls like Alphys"
>>733375654>Susie isn't that bad broNo, she did factual bullying
chapter seven is going to end with the whole game being a dream and Kris waking up to being naked and sandwiched between Susie and Noelle also naked and under heavy covers
>>733375965Not if I can help it
>>733375896You're changing the argument from "beating people up" to "bullying." Nobody said Susie wasn't bullying Kris, we all played the game (I hope).
>>733375965... then Kris wakes up from his coma to realize monsters never existed.
>>733375653If Chara "let's destroy the world and move on to the next" then does a visual representation of attacking me, I'll think it attacked me.
>>733375965TRUTH FOUNTAIN
>>733375815not the guy you are replying to but that's a chapter 2 example, and yes the seeds were planted in chapter 1, but back then without enough context many people inferred otherwiseand I would have preferred if the story had gone that waythe only reason I didn't drop the game is because I want to see how the weird route will end, because deltarune is turning out to be something that I am not enjoying that muchI am this close to following susie's advice
>>733376039Fine, but my original comment claims Susie should not have been written to be a bully, which still applies if the bullying was just verbal.
>>733367074Top left and bottom left seem to be the same person, bottom right is debatable, could be the same as the one on the left, top right is a completely different person.
>>733376134>then does a visual representation of attacking me,I assume this is because you picked "do not" and never choose erase, because Chara attacking you makes no sense if you actually picked erase (plus the choice to erase the world or not doesn't even make sense if Chara only attacks you). There's also the fact Chara straight up says you destroyed the world when you return to the game and tells you if she should bring it back. I feel like you just choose "do not" and only payed attention to the visuals and not the dialogue, and I will throw you a bone and say in this very specific situation it does look like Chara kills you, until you pay attention to the dialogue or pick the other choice, that is.
>>733367550The Knight is Dess from the future, stuck in a time-loop where she kills everyone to revive herself.Wracked with guilt, she pairs with Gaster to come back in time, dies an accident, loses her memory from dying (from the same accident that killed her the first time and started this shit, but she doesn't remember), and begins the loop again.The only way to get the good ending is to let her win, but also survive the killing of the Lightners and Darkners by jumping between the Dark World and the Light World, then traveling back in time with her, to save her life.
>>733376162>that's a chapter 2 exampleI posted Chapter 2 material which establishes how Noelle and Susie know each other, why Noelle has a crush on Susie and why Susie has a soft spot for Noelle, in response to a deranged anecdote referencing post-Chapter 2 material that does not apply to what's actually happening in Deltarune at all
>>733376462Yes, I am referring to the option "DO NOT" which is far more iconic for the Genocide route as a whole. But even so, the "Erase" option doesn't feel much different and it plays like Chara regardlessly hurts the player like a commonly seen in horror trope. Even the "We'll be together forever, won't we?" message is very suggestive of that typical trope where said monster kills you anyway.
>>733375360the other thing is, she's using "helping kris" as an excuse to get closer to susie. right after she sees all that shit.
>>733376919I disagree. You have to ignore the entire dialogue Chara has both before and after destroying the world and instead just focusing on the visuals to think Chara kills (you) instead of the world, when it's the game that takes 99999 damage (with you even being forced out of full screen mode). I really do think you just genuinely misinterpreted it when you played genocide for the first time however many years ago. I don't know how much more blatant Toby could be that the world was destroyed instead.
>>733377379Is there any Holiday that isn't a groomer?
>>733377284If the visuals don't match why make it that way? I have already expressed Chara's latter dialogue "We'll be together forever" makes it worse. I've already visually breaking the save file would've sold it better. I think if the .exe was deleted, it would've looked better >>733375678 , though that might have been impractical. My point is that the meta elements of Undertale are good but flawed and these misinterpretations happen because the game is not good enough at conveying what it's trying to say.
>>733375360>>733375896Toby decanonized everything from the website specifically so he wouldn't have to deal with the implications of this blog post
>>733377767If content out of game doesn't matter why does he bother making little ARGs like the How long did it take for her to smile? If it can be made non canon in another blogpost
>>733377767multiple aspects from the args are still canon/in the game, so that doesn't really work.
