I've been looking for an actually fun gacha to get into but it's tricky.Didn't like the factory in Endfield at all and realized how big of a part of the game it would always be. Tried to get into Wuthering Waves but goddamn the story, world, lore and everything is so mindnumbing and Chinese and full of things I don't care about it's killing my motivation to continue.Any suggestions? Been thinking Honkai Star Rail but they have awful collabs with the likes of Fortnite and I feel like its story might be just as ass...
>>733386643runescape
suggest some gacha for me OP i only play snowbreak, snowbreak is good if you like sexy anime girls. that's it.The gameplay is TPS which is rare for gacha but ultimately you play snowbreak for the sexy women.
>>733386643we got hype moments and aura tho
>>733386643Toe rings are unhygienic and I say that as a feet enjoyer
>>733386902elaborate I think they're very sexy
>>733386643>an actually fun gachaDoesn't exist
>>733386902Finger rings are far more unhygienic and people wear them anyway
>>733386643I suggest you to reconsider your life priorities.
>>733387318I mean what else is there nowadays, it feels like gacha games like genshin and everything after replaced a lot of stuff I would have spent time on back thenMMOs are gone, people now play thisLots of online games in general are down because people play gacha #2594
>>733386643Download MGBA and play Megaman Battle Network instead. It has real gameplay.
You already seem pretty critical of gacha game stories, and because of that I regret to inform you they're all about as terrible as the ones you've experienced. By design, even, considering the target audience. I want to like some gacha because of the sexy girls too but they're just too focused on appealing to low IQ normies and seanigger children.
ZZZ is by far the best in the market right now.
>>733387486Both gacha, MMOs and any other "live service" are terrible time wasters. Play old games that actually start and finish and dip into other hobbies. Watch some series, read (nigga read), or pick something you like, like woodworking or whatever.
>>733387696But I don't get why they all feel the need to have stories like this, I feel like I'd rather "hey there's seven evil dragons, you need to slay them to save our village" and leave it at that than some of the hyperconvoluted stuff they come up with >>733387724Is it? I heard it's not doing too well and saw some people dooming
Gonna take a moment to shill Resonance Solstice. You drive a train. That’s it. That’s the whole game. Most fun I’ve had since Uma Musume
>>733387724Is it?I feel like it has way too much dialogue to say very little.
>>733387092Maybe. I'm generally against jewelry, IMO the human form can't be improved upon except by diet and exercise. Piercings and tattoos are nature's way of telling me a person has no mental conception of the future.>>733386992I'm a footfag but even I acknowledge feet are objectively disgusting unless freshly washed and well-maintained. My brain understands my arousal is irrational. So while I think cute feet are incredibly arousing, anything you do to actively make them less hygienic is a massive debuff. Jewelry creates a haven for moisture and bacteria.Moreover, if you're attracted to something but think it's better to have part of that thing covered up, you're not actually attracted to that thing. You're like a gamer that buys items to let him skip gameplay. The allowable exception is stirrup socks, don't ask me to justify that.
My ideal gacha would basically be Monster Hunter but with great looking anime girls in a world that keeps getting new content. Already finished Wilds and did everything there is to do in there (as well as previous MHs).
>>733386643>Any suggestions?
>>733387860>>733388008It has the best gameplay and characters which is the main reason why anyone would play gacha games while taking way less time commitment than open world games like genshin or zzz.
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>>733386643Chaos Zero Nightmare. Its Darkest Dungeon meets slay the spire.
>>733388246>or zzzBut the post was recommending zzz
>>733386643There aren't any sorry to say.There's some "okay" ones, but the general gacha formula hold them back from being much more than mediocre fidget toys. It's like all the bad parts of an MMO but without other players that can make it worthwhile.
>I've been looking for an actually fun gacha to get intowhat the fuck.. why?
>>733388246Yeah but getting to the actual gameplay involves half an hour of listening to dialogue.I dunno. I enjoy it when im actually playing it.
>>733386643Take the idlepill and play NIKKE.
>>733388436I do like the aspect of collecting cute waifus, especially when they look great and have a bunch of nice scenes and fan service.But that aside I don't really know what else is out there these days in terms of "daily driver" games. I've had my years with Dota and MOBAs, I liked MMOs but they're practically dead now, World of Tanks and Warships are just not worth it anymore, way too many hours in Path of Exile and tired of it, and so on.
>>733388321I meant wuwa sorry
>>733386643I returned ,from being a launch player, over the holidays and saw she was a banner. Used every resource possible to roll for her and got nothing. This games droprates are fucking ass
>>733388671I wish there was a good and popular action mmo on console i could play.
>>733388712Really? I got her and I didn't even want her.
>>733388712It's one of the least stingy gachas for f2ps for what it's worth
>>733388671Isn't there like 14 monster girl games that let you collect them?
>>733388082>feet are objectively disgusting unless freshly washed and well-maintained.I can see the logic in this, but I'd go further an argue this applies for a lot of areas of the human body unless you fetish stink or bush.I think unhygienic people are naturally less attractive. >Jewelry creates a haven for moisture and bacteria.This is a great point.I feel like in terms of character design, when you make the foot character you sort of have to do the toering becasue when else will you do one?You can't always bank on the character being popular enough to be able to sell a skinned version later.I agree with you though, totally nude feet are less appealing then slight obscured feet. You're right covering up does improve some aspects of the design, so long as it's not overboard.
>>733386643you need to seek help you fucking gambling degenerate
>>733389601But I play them for the gameplay and dont spend any moneys D:
>>733389739You don't need to spend money to gamble. Rouge liktes are an example of that.
>>733389601I play f2p
>>733386643>Tried to get into Wuthering Waves but goddamn the story, world, lore and everything is so mindnumbing and Chinese and full of things I don't care about it's killing my motivation to continue.skip the first are and it isn't chinkshit anymoreyou can literally skip cutscenes
>>733389821>Gambling without spending bad>Playing a repetitive hamsterwheel for hours without a payoff goodRetard
>>733390106I never said rougeshites were good.
>>733390081Does it really become better after Jinzhou?
>>733390178Then wtf are you reccomending them?
>>733386643I would suggest Limbus company for the story and how lax the gacha aspect isThing is, being the third game in a series and all might not be to your taste but try to complete a canto and see if you like it or not from there
>>733390351>Limbus companyNTA how is the gameplay aspect? It got my interest when I learned Mili does music for it but have no clue what is the game about.
>>733390286yesmeant to say area btw*
>>733386643Just don't play gacha trash
>>733386643Nothing is more fun than mahjong. Go look into either Riichi City or Mahjong Soul
wuwa is having anniversary and cyberpunk collab real soon, definitely the best gacha to play or get into temporarily . also just had a new 3.0 event and new regionsendfield was trashbest gacha games are wuwa and genshin, wizardry is really good but way different
>>733390551It has the same style as the previous one, you get some attacks every turn which you can use by guiding them to clash with some enemiesthis character does bleed, this character can buff and so on, it's a mix between an RPPG and a card battler at it's coreIt is rather simplified at first but you get the hang of it after a fight or two, if you want to just automate it and let the computer try and decide, that's possible tooThe story is good, but like i said, not made for everyone, Still worth a shot mind you
>>733386643>I want to try STD's but i want to start slow
>>733386643One where you can start at day one
>>733390873Endfield is visually very appealing but the factory shit is ass
>>733390286only if you enjoy waifu of the week trash. Other wise no. Kuro only care about shilling the banner character so you can give them money.
>>733390313I didn't, I just said they were an example of gambling without spending money. I think they're shitty because it's too much luck instead of skill.
>>733391374Well name your recommendations
>>733386643You know bait used to mean something anon...
>>733386643If you don't mind 2D autobattler, Trickcal. The lore, characters and aesthetic are actually the fun part about it and the characters are really easy to get with how generous the game and devs are.
>>733386643Wuwa the only one that's mildly worth a damn, so if that's not floating your boat, I don't have another suggestion. It's just not for you. (It's just barely for me, desu, but my wife Lupa calls to me...)
>generousGachafags should be banned from saying this word
>>733390286nta but there's a marked jump in quality after 1.0, tough it out and see how you feel once you get out of huanglong
>>733392185I like most of it but the story is just... I don't care about the threnodian or the history of huanglong or all this frequency bullshit about tacet discords
>>7333894612d girls don't get stinky or sweaty unless it's your fetish, otherwise they are always clean and like whatever you think a nice girlsmell is. I like artificial strawberry.
>>733386823https://files.catbox.moe/jpkatm.mp4
Which game among these has the best lolis though?
>>733391509There's nothing to recommend. All gacha are dogshit.
>>733388878Na I've played others and this barely gave me any currency to pull except for doing the dog story. I wont be back
>>733386643any rhythm game gachaliterally just pick onestory doesn't belong in a videogame btw
>>733390551Simplified ruina combat, it's turn based but you and the enemy take your turn at the same time and when two characters target each other they clash, the winner has their attack go through. In ruina clashing was always a calculated gamble because moves could swing quite heavily on high and low rolls and you had to do some (very basic) mental math to figure out your rough odds, also even if you clashed well if the enemy had more attacks on their skill than yours they'd still be able to get the latter hits out and vice versa.In limbus every character has a predefined kit now and if you win a clash the enemy just doesn't get to hit you back (rectified later with unbreakables thankfully) and you build a team out of what the gatcha giveuth, and make up the rest grinding a repeatable and fairly boring dungeon to shard everything else you can literally get every single character without ever rolling on the gatcha at all. Limbus also actually has a budget for voice acting and animations and they look really nice though the game is rarely that challenging (at least now they have stopped nerfing fights).What is nice because once you get a character you just level them up and uptie them, you don't need to juggle 20 currencies to power them up, you don't need to grind RNG artifacts or then get extra copies of the character to make them not shit. It also sidesteps the usual plot foible of gatcha where a character is super central to the plot for 1 month while their banner is up and then just ceases to exist aside from the occasional mention later on. Because the gatcha here is basically costumes and movesets for the core cast. Story is the main sellling point too the project moon universe is super cool, and unlike Lobcorp and Ruina here the story actually explores the city rather than being stuck in one location and just hearing about the outside world.The content cycle however is beyond fucking glacial and you will have months with literally nothing to do.
>>733386643Just push through wuwa to 2.0, it gets better. Endfield gets better in the second region too and I ended up loving the factory.Genshin is too hard to get into now, too much content and too much unskippable yapping.ZZZ and HSR are kinda boring at this point. They had potential but they didn't live up to it.Also you could play Where Winds Meet, gacha is cosmetic only but it's the same kind of endless GAAS game, it's great. Probably the best Chinese GAAS right now if you don't mind the lack of anime girls.Or you can wait until NTE, should be coming out in a couple of months.
>>733393310so you're a useless source of information, got it
>>733392785Out of AAA gacha, ZZZ. But none of them do lolis much
>>733391225visually its trash and the most generic art style possible. their signature characters are the most generic ass shit possiblei paid for battle pass and check in pass and didnt even bother loading the game up anymore after a week
>>733394083lolibaba on point
what are some good games? that are gacha
>>733386643if you like card games, play shadowverse worlds beyond
>wanting to subject yourself to one of the scummiest monetization systems since the advent of lootboxes
>>733394379Where winds meet
>>733386898sexo with stinkytelle
>>733394440Just don't pay. You're in charge of the credit card information you put in, why is this so hard for some people
>>733386643I play Nikke for the story!!!The story:
>>733394440same, but for any videogame
>>733394513what do you mean? steam sale means you have to buy things with a discount and spending money is literally videogames
>>733394513I've play enough F2P MMOs to know that's a load of bullshit. The game will make your experience utterly miserable unless you invest money in it
>>733394752>The game will make your experience utterly miserable unless you invest money in itjust dont play the games that do that
>>733394518I actually really liked nikkes story and nikkes character design, I quit becasue I didn't like the gameplay or the dailies, the events were really good though.also motherhwale filtered me hard
>>733394752you're a moron most gacha games are very generous and way more generous than p2p games or 70 dollar games. most gacha games and f2p games get way more content updates and give free stuff than paid mmos with monthly subs like wow or ffxiv
>>733394513>design the game to be shit unless you payEven the worst traditional single player game is better than the best gatcha skinnerbox.
>>733394752>I played other genres so I'm an expert on this oneI have not played F2P MMOs but I've played every major gacha and none of them care if you pay money or not. The only content you'll miss out on by not paying is the endgame, and that's usually just a bunch of mobs in a room. You can easily clear every quest, do all the exploration and beat every boss F2P and you don't have to grind either because these games usually scale with your account level
>>733394904>design the game to be shit unless you payLiterally what do you think changes in a gacha if you pay? You do the same exact quests in the same exact world no matter how much you pay. Yeah you won't get every character but none of these games have enough content to justify having every character.
i feel like most of these posts are talking about completely different games when replying to each other lmao
>>733394885>generousYou motherfuckers throw that word around so much that it's hard to take it seriously anymore
>>733394904nah, people would rather play gacha than any western epsteinslop and that's why you're constantly protesting in these threads
>>733386643Don't anonThis shit is like gambling apps. Its just designed to be a distraction and siphon money from you.
>>733386823buying gf
>>733388168good taste
>>733395284not my problem that gacha is generous and rewards players unlike wokeslop
>>733394752Only if you're playing a PVP gacha.The problem with F2P MMOS is twofold:>Whales will kill you PVP>Whales will create elite clubs and never let poor inGacha doesn't have this problem unless it's primarily about PVP, Gacha are rarely co-operative and if they are the content isn't designed to really whale bait like end game modes are.Most end game modes in gacha are whalebait and that's where you'll see the divide, but the reality of that is unless you care about chasing top 1% scores of the pittance of additional rewards you get for being a whalegod in end game.you can play them and enjoy them anyway.I really do mean a pittance by the way, maxing all end game modes in gacha for an entire year isn't likely to give you enough for a whole new character, usually participating to a casual level is enough to get the majority of the rewards and you'll be happy pulling for who you like, of course some people are like to see number go up.If i had to guess why they don't copy the MMO formula it's becasue you cannot flex as much and most F2P mmos die out due to this divide. Gacha instead try to get you to form habbits, waifu bait and obviously if you're easily addicted to gambling you're fucked. but with how much sports betting is advertised you're fucked anyway if thats the case.
>>733395303That argument only works if you pretend this doesn't exist.
>>733386643play trickal you fucking loser
>>733395284nta but AAA gachas have 100-400 hours of content a year depending on how deep you go into them. Yeah I'd say that's more than most games provide. And you usually get about 10 characters a year as a F2P in AAA gachas, that varies thoughLike I've just put 100 hours into Endfield 1.0. And I have enough rolls for 2 characters saved up, on top of the starters I got. Pretty good for the price of free
>>733395462wow, a game that came out a long time ago that's solved and finished? no wonder people play gacha
Watch how the anti-gacha tards will in the same breath defend muttslop with aggressive monetization like WoW and Diablo 4 with tranny propaganda because they got their gay ass orcs and manjawed elfs from DnD.
>>733390286yes lol
>>733395664MIKO SEX
Is there a website I can browse that talks about new gacha or good gacha to try.I sold my switch 2 and consoles, building a new PC is out of the question until ram prices settle.Gacha I've played in the past run on my PC very easily. I honestly don't think I'll buy another Triple A game in lifetime I'm just so sick of it.
>>733395462>>733395609You could also be playing this. Literally nothing is stopping you from playing a real game, you're just a retard.>solved and finishedYou didn't solve shit. Did you even beat it with save states like a cheater? >>733395664No one did that. Like, can you (you) one post that did? I will eat my gay little words if you can HONEST scouts honor on my mom's life.
I'm enjoying Reverse 1999 a lot. It's not as over-the-top sexy as a lot of other gachas, which I personally prefer. Has a great story.
>zzz>best in the markethoyojeets don't actually believe this right?Their most anticipated banner since CBT1 got absolutely destroyed by endfield
>>733395769>Is there a websiteyer on it
>>733395819>you could be playing 15 minute long gen3/4 games instead of 2000 hour long action RPGsI could but I'd need 8000 of them. Sorry I play a lot of games, you gotta keep me busy long term bud
>>733386643I am quite sure that you will not find a gacha title that does not register as "mind numbing and chinese" but I wish you luck in your search, friend anon.
>>733395905I would be pretty weird if a AAA Arknights game launch didn't beat a loli patch>but people talked about it a lotYeah but only certain kinds of people. Loli is always niche
>>733395906>4chan is unironically the best place to talk about video gamesI'm not sure if I should laugh or cry.
>>733396138it do be like that>>733386457
>>733396014I enjoy being mind numbed by a chinaman
>>733386643I can only recommend 2 gachas as they are the only two I know of that have 0 p2w.Dokkan Battle and Horizon walker. Dokkan battle is a bubble popping game with dragon ball z cards. the fun/depth is in teambuilding and managing rotations. phone only.Horizon walker is an 18+ ecchi game. story is nonsense but the gameplay is a pretty good sRPG. phone or steam.
WuWa 1.0 wasn't all that bad, and I understood the assignment: early game story will be the unavoidable exposition dumps, and once everything has been placed (lore, the Lament, resonators, forte, sonoro, etc.), WuWa eases off the gas and let the story shine, especially in 1.1. After that, the pacing of the story is highly consistently fast with only a few downtime moments. Even at the downtime moments, the cutscenes are well-made with fully animated body expressions, micro animations that are not just cycling through stock animations like crossing arms, raising one arm, hand on chin and arms on waist. WuWa is currently the undisputed champion of dialogue cutscenes.That said, the game lets you skip to 2.X and 3.X directly after clearing a few chapters of 1.0. The Black Shores is sort of like Majula or Firelink Shrine—a hub world with multiple paths. Go play 2.X for peak WuWa, or 3.X for the next peak WuWa.
>>733396416Isn't all the lewd shit in whoreison walker paywalled
>>733396460>once everything has been placed (lore, the Lament, resonators, forte, sonoro, etc.), WuWa...forgets about all that shit and makes up new terminology for every region going forwards LMAO
>>733395819gacha games are real games albeitsorry you're a gacha hating schizo that has to roleplay a therapist in every gacha thread
>>733396482nope. all the horniness/sexiness is free. all the characters and weapons are easy to get f2p. you only get enough premium currency for 2 or 3 skins f2p but it's not like girls frontline where their main skin is completely covered up and their alternate skin is skimpy.
>>733396013Go play one then. I like this one because of my monster autism. I think a Tales of game got a PC port recently, you could check that out. Monster Hunter games of old are still working online via fan effort. >I'd need 8000 of them.You act like they aren't that plentiful. That's without factoring in fan translations and hacks. I swear I download like 3 more every other time I check on CDromance. I won't get into replayability, that's a different arguemnt but it does exist. I would know, as I love Pikmin. You should play Pikmin, it has 0 sex apeal but I like them grubdogs.
>>733395548>EndfieldIsn't that the gacha that shat the bad at release and compromised a bunch of its players' PayPal accounts?
>>733396557>every region has their own lore, terminologies, etc.Yes.
what makes a "good" gacha?
>>733396557>...forgets about all that shitThe shit he mentioned are basic terms that get brought up all the time though?
>>733396646I don't understand how JRPGfags are taking some kind of moral high ground against gachas when their games have even LESS gameplay than something like Wuwa or Endfield. Why the FUCK would I play Tales of instead of Endfield? Tales of is braindead even by gacha standards
>>733396749I don't think Lament was brought up literally once since 2.0, they come up with new names for local calamities now. Obviously names for characters and their skills are still used, not that they needed special names in the first place.
>>733396743fun gamegenerous and compelling gachathat's literally it
>>733396947>LamentWasn't it called the Dark Tide in Rinascitan lore?
>>733396637I didn't say addiction. You need to play the counter cards when it's right for a working counter. >>733396743If Yo-kai Watch counts as one. (it probably does with how much RNG it has. Monster Rancher has the same deal honestly.) It has to not be a mobile game. That's it. It's like saying clash of clans is a good game. It's not a lie, but it just comes off as one. You know what I mean? They're inherently lesser.
>>733386643Punishing Gray Raven was really good. The only one that didn't burn me out and I've gone back to playing a bunch of times over the years. Good gameplay, story, world building, characters, all condensed into what it should be. Characters are strait up free too
>>733396991Yeah the keep changing the name, that's my point
>>733386643>toe rings
>>733396993no one is talking about lgbt rights though, that's why they play gacha
>>733397042The argument to be had is each region have their own lore. Rinascita won't say loong, but dragon. Different flavor for each region. Once you figure that out, it's not hard to put everything together.
>>733396993>pokemon clone is inherently better than EndfieldYou are inherently speaking about things you inherently do not understand
>>733396830The pay to win element even if never used makes all accomplishments look false. Like pokemon is also a shitty braindead series. But because you can't ever just cheat with 15 bucks. >>733397129I don't think there are any gays in Yo-Kai Watch. At least 3 Monster Rancher monsters are fags. I don't know which ones because I don't want to play Monster Rancher 4 or 3 or advance. But there's 100% a couple of monsters that are fag gags.
>>733397259gacha haters don't play videogames and just spout shit to try to win the argument
>>733386643Alright, after a beer I feel more like being helpful than saucy, so here's the Hoyofag skinny:ZZZ is kinda in a rough spot, if you find the gameplay fun stick with it, but don't expect the story to suddenly break and be great. People are playing it right now for their favorite characters and side stories.I have no idea what's going on with HI3; abandon all hope ye who enter here, you're diving into a hell from which there is no return Though I really fucking liked it, rough as it is.0Genshin is ultra boring in my mind, but people still like it for some reason, so I'm going to chalk it up to a difference in taste.HSR is a ride if you're willing to get on your toes at the height check. If you're willing to, play through Penacony and if you hate it still you're free to go. Belabog was cool, but the Xienz- fuck it, china-ships were kinda bland; but if you found the dream planet cool, Amphoreus will also be pretty kino though a lot of my favoritism is it's basically plagiarized from the best of HI3 Part I, though remixed enough to be cool the second time around Planarcadia has also been surprisingly cool for an opening patch; if you don't mind the 4 niggas in a row genre it's a fun ride.I have a friend whose started WuWa and apparently after 1.0 shit is a lot better; so you either play the newer patches or hold out until then. There's some cool stuff in it and the game is as pretty if not prettier than ZZZ.I have another friend who loves Endfield, but he was an Arknights AND Factorio fan, so if you don't like Zachtronic games and lizardgirls in rock music videos your mileage may vary. Gacha as a whole is based on a certain level of emotional buy in if not monetary, so if you can't get with the program it's better to change the channel.
>>733396991Correction: The Lament is the overall disaster. The Dark Tide is Leviathan's own flavor of the apocalypse.
>>733397276>The pay to win element even if never used makes all accomplishments look falseIf you don't pay, all of your "accomplishments" will be real so just don't fucking pay. What is it with you people and your inability to JUST not pay?
I can't think of anything worse in life than playing a turn based gacha
>>733396947Lament is just a term that sums up the natural disasters and calamities that happen/happened in the world (Dark Tide, Void Storm, etc.)
>>733397276>pay to winYou motherfuckers throw that phrase around so much that it's hard to take it seriously anymore
>>733397529P2W is when you can spend money to get an advantage over other players.aka 99.9% of all gachas.
speaking of pokemonremember that all the kaizo games got updated and plat kaizo comes out in a month
>>733386643>actually funI play genshin and wuwa and keep trying and bouncing off zzz. I think the most fun one in terms of just gameplay is probably wuwa...>but goddamn the story, world, lore and everything is so mindnumbing and Chinese and full of things I don't care about...with the skip button. Certainly skip everything until the edgy man in the spooky village shows up, whether you want to skip after that is up to you.If you want to be entertained by the combat get some kino quickswap characters like changli, XLY, jinhsi, zani, carlotta, or augusta. Avoid the recent antifun bricks like qiuyuan, lynae, and mornye.>Been thinking Honkai Star Railwhy would anyone play HSR if they wanted fundo not do thisIf you really like exploring, genshin has enough cool areas with great music to tide you over for a long time, despite the unskippable story being hours and hours and hours of blablabla.>I've been looking for an actually fun gacha to get intoYour core premise is kinda flawed. There's no reason anyone should specifically want to get into gacha games. The only way it should happen is if there's a game you already like on its own merits, and it happens to be a gacha game, and then you spend your entire time playing it wishing it wasn't a gacha game.
>>733397635same, but 99% of pc gaming and paid expansions/dlcs
>>733397342>Genshin is ultra boring in my mind, but people still like it for some reason, so I'm going to chalk it up to a difference in taste.Genshin's appeal is the world. It's grounded, full of details, every village has a reason to exist, every geographical feature has an elaborate backstory. That's the big difference between Genshin and Wuwa, Genshin's world feels lived in and everything in it feels meaningful, Wuwa's world just feels like a map in a video game. Even though Wuwa is more fun to play it feels shallow because you don't get attached to the world.And the lore is really cool once you get into it
>>733397709>Avoid the recent antifun bricks like lynae, and mornyeThems fighting words.
>>733397635These aren't PvP games so it's your own personal choice to compare yourself to another player. If you play these games as a F2P, compare yourself to other F2P players and compete with their achievements. Problem solved, wasn't that hard was it
>>733397259Does your game have real sex mechanics? And kaiju?>>733397484Because you could just be a liar. Even if you didn't, you could've. So every difficulty spike makes you think, "This is just to get me to pay". I don't trust companies, so every ulterior motive that could exist does. Every mobile game has to be a scam because if they weren't, they wouldn't be mobile games.
>>733386643From what I've experienced and seen, Kuro's the only one who does gacha "fun" without trying to eat your wallet at all times. PGR and WuWa are nice.
>>733397908>These aren't PvP gamesthe vast majority of gacha have PvP in them specifically to entice players to spend money to beat other players.
>>733397819>going to a website to 100% a new map is interestingnah, i'll skip genshin thanks
>>733397819>Genshin's appeal is the world. It's grounded, full of details, every village has a reason to exist, every geographical feature has an elaborate backstoryIs this the first game you ever fucking played?>And the lore is really coolYeah, until it gets retconned a patch later. The execution of said lore being utter dogshit 90% of the time doesn't help either
>>733398004They introduced a gadget that LITERALLY marks every chest on your map for retards like you specifically. What's your next problem
>>733397998only they don't? majority of gachas a pve and your entire scope of gacha is the epic7 and summoners war lmoa
>>733397939>I have irrational hatred for every game on an entire platformWhy are talking to me then? If your mind can never be changed, don't waste time arguing
>>733398108>only they don't?name 4 big name gachas that don't have p2w functionality
>>733397852sorry not sorry>rotations are extremely rigid flowcharts, basically nothing really interesting you can do with them>try to swap off and a kuro games representative comes to your house and breaks your knees, in a combat system whose only real standout mechanic is quickswap>70% of mornye's field time is watching cutscenes>embody the made-up tune shit mechanics that were blatantly added just to shill new charactersCombine that with Amy being a cutscene simulator and luuk also bricking himself if he swaps (and the cancerous new boss designs constantly flying around), I'm feeling pretty bleak about where the combat is headed.
>gacha games are made to attract whales>if a game isn't profitable enough, they pull the plug on itThat should be reason enough to never bother with the genre
>>733398105unskippable cutscenesboring combatboring storyMC being useless in generalbaiting people to roll to make a "team"selling stolen themes, ideas, and assets like it's originaloverall being a waste of time
>>733398089>Is this the first game you ever fucking played?Where did I say that it's the only game that does that, dumbass? Other games do it, and Genshin does it too, and possibly on the largest scale ever. In terms of scale only MMOs compare and their worlds are always fake as shit. No MMO ever made me care about its world>until it gets retconned a patch laterEveryone retcons but Genshin feels way more pre-planned than other long running stories. In Wuwa fucking nothing feels planned. They're not even announcing a plan, they're just making it up as they go along
>>733398285pve gacha 1pve gacha 2pve gacha 3pve gacha 4
>>733397998>vast majority of gacha have PvP in themNone of the AAA gachas have PvP, retard. Unless you count mini-games, but whaling won't help you win those
for me the only "gacha" that are somewhat tolerable are the cosmetic ones like where winds meet and dna
>>733398489gr8 b8 m8 i r8 8/8I accept your concession.
>Genshin feels way more pre-planned than other long running storiesI mean, the first post was obvious, but now he's not even hiding that he's a paid shill
>>733398323You praised HSR and ZZZ so I immediately dismiss most of those. ZZZfag talks about useless MCs, I shake my head at your lack of shame. Disgraceful behavior>stolen themes, ideasOh wait you're just mentally ill. Sorry, move along, sweatie
name 3 gachas not made by hoyo
>>733398285Why did you switch your argument to p2w? You were talking about PvP just now. Genshin and Wuwa don't have PvP
>>733398581cope and seethe at your loss
>>733398314How many gatchas ever gotten offline versions after death? Even unofficial ones. I assume they can't be common because if they were, there'd be a thing where it was a strategy to wait for the offline version. Since that would have better pay-outs or something.
>>733398502They're also the ones nobody's playing between patches because cosmetics are not a good enough incentive to grind>>733398641Genshin literally launched with a trailer outlining 8 years of content and showcased locations and characters some of which are still not introduced, half a decade later. Do you know a lot of games that do that? I don't
>>733398424>Everyone retcons but Genshin feels way more pre-planned than other long running stories. In Wuwa fucking nothing feels planned. They're not even announcing a plan, they're just making it up as they go alongI agree with this, but there's tradeoffs. Namely genshin has had to frequently change shit that was hinted at in the past for development or business reasons.>nod-krai outta nowhere>the dindufication of arlecchino>no electro visions being granted, raiden's big statue>wanderer and the retcon tree>the oceanid's talk of "assassins from our homeland">probably some shit about natlan
>>733386643if you really want to play a game that is gacha play Wizardry: Variants DaphneyAlmost all chinkshit gachas are same shit but I do respect WuWa and somewhat HSR however if you want to get the real gacha experience play Uma Musume. If youre a lolicon play BA, if you like rhytm either the miku gacha or bandori, dont think about going love live because all of their gacha games always die, if you like ass play Nikke
>>733398847why does that even matter when even dead mmos and multiplayer games don't have an "offline" version? The argument is trash
>>733398901>dindufication of arlecchino>out of nowhereI mean she was the "father" of your two best friends in the region, why did you expect her to be evil. People complain about it so much but wasn't it obvious
>>733386643Literally the only good gacha is Blue ArchiveAll 3 hoyo games have a pointless meandering plot full of words words words words for its own sake and none of them have satisfying conclusions to any of the arcs. ESPECIALLY HSR. Do NOT play HSR.Nikke is ok but the monetization is very aggro even for a gacha game, the story is just misery porn, and the actual gameplay part is either "clear it without paying attention" or "mathematically impossible, go grind and come back" with how its power gap mechanics work. FGO and Granblue are exceptionally Jewish, don't bother unless you like not getting anywhere without being a day 1 player or a whale.>but why Blue Archive?Story has actual good pacing and manages to make the girls very expressive even with the VN style. Also has a real, genuine message and isn't just a bunch of wish fulfillment tropes strung together.Cute girls that aren't too safe or too gooner, perfect balance.Wide array of character archetypes that are familiar, but different enough that every girl feels unique The Momotalk system makes sure every unit gets some quality screentime and isn't just some throwaway character that they stapled stats toGood musicJust don't play anything from miHoYo. Please. I beg of you.
>>733388008Just skip it then, I swear ZZZ is probably the least one with dialogue out of the hoyo games but people have ADHD or something
>>733399276>complain about yapping>recommends a VNwhat the
>>733398973What do you mean there's a private server for Monster Hunter Frontier, Toon Town, and Wii multiplayer is working again? I threw in the unofficial bit for a reason. I assume there would be fans who would take dead gatchas and try to make them work again. Mega Man X Dive has an offline version so I don't get why you didn't try to use it as an argument. I realize I should've mentioned that Mega Man X Dive offline exists to set a precedent or something.
>>733398298>rotations are extremely rigid flowcharts, basically nothing really interesting you can do with themUse Morning's E to block and counter, then it fills up the forte gauge right away, then take to the sky and soften the enemies with her satellite cannon, or outro right away if tune break isn't the focus (especially if you pair her with characters that does nothing outside of tune break). Or just combo to fill up forget gauge and do the satellite cannon. Or block Reactor Husk's attacks during that low visibility segment with her E, or block Mehpis's fuck off AoE if you can't dodge it. There's variation there.>70% of mornye's field time is watching cutscenesThe hold attack just takes a second and a half to do, it's no different than other characters doing their own special moves. Sure the monsters freeze during these cutscenes, but, eh, it's been that way since 1.0. Fair enough though.>embody the made-up tune shit mechanics that were blatantly added just to shill new charactersEvery character can do tune break and the new ones just adds extra flavor. Not a deal breaker and you can still beat level 6 hologram Reactor Husk with old characters.>I'm feeling pretty bleak about where the combat is headed.This I share sentiments with. It's getting harder and harder to read enemy movements with Freedom Gundam tier beam spam.
>Genshitfags will quite literally seethe at you for calling them a paid shill for defending this
>>733398901>probably some shit about natlanThis is probably the biggest example of no plans ahead, that country already was made to be mysterious on purpose by having very little info about it prior to release. And then mihoyo went and threw all that little information into the trash.
>>733399276>what if we made to aru but soulless aimed at seajeets?
>>733399364People leak betas sometimes, Genshin's beta was leaked, pretty sure you can play itNot sure what you're trying to prove here though
>>733399386>Or just combo to fill up forte gauge*
>>733399364https://store.steampowered.com/app/2183650/MEGA_MAN_X_DiVE_Offline/?curator_clanid=34827987Just so no one can call me a liar.
>>733399364if you're cherry picking for the sake of winning the argument then gachas that have an offline version represent all of gachas and all of them are worth playing
>>733399497liar
>>733399394Nobody is defending this though? That's exactly why you couldn't link any post with your random seethe
>>733399408>we knew it's a land of dragons>we get a long ass quest that tells us about the ancient dragon civ in NatlanI get it, we all expected actual dragons and not the gay humanoid ones but you can't say they lied, it was about dragons
>>733397709>Zani>Kinopick 1
Have you tried ZZZ zenlesszonezero?
>>733399480>what if we made to aru but soullessSaid the creators of to aru anime back in the day
>>733399162because shes fatui and those two still have a conscience despite being groomed to be spy assassins?Arle was meant to be like the previous orphanage running harbinger, extremely fucked up
>>733399356There's a difference between dialogue that moves the plot along and dialogue that doesn't.Hoyo games are the latter.70% of Genshin, ZZZ, and HSR are you talking to inconsequential copy/paste NPCs about some inconsequential background bullshit that does not actually have anything to do with the story they appear to want to tell but you are talking to them anyway because the writers love to slater everything in mundane background lore.Most other gachas do not do this. It is almost entirely unique to miHoYo
>>733386643>the story, world, lore and everything is so mindnumbing and Chinese and full of things I don't care aboutAll chink games are like that, they think "more nonsense words=good", they also try to be japanese so they exaggerate everything they do. If you dislike that kind of story telling then avoid anything chinese. Look into Korean or Japanese games if you want to get invested into a gacha.
>>733399761>because shes fatuiOur literal best friend is a Cheld...
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>>733386643>contrarian takes all the way down>my original reply was deleteddeath to troons and tranny jannies
>>733399995cry about it nigger
>>733399895kek
>>733399827Yeah that used to be a huge problem in Genshin but in Nod-Krai everything revolves around playable characters. Even side quests revolve around them now. They fixed itAnd in ZZZ that never was a problem because NPCs are funny in ZZZ and I like their funny dialogue. Also ZZZ is just not verbose in general so it's fine
>>733399995>open archive>ctrl f deleted>it's the prince evadergood to see this still pisses you off
>>733399895>nooo Natlan arc isn't about warAre we still pretending Natlan arc didn't feature a war? Some of these talking points only made sense after the first trailer dropped
>>733399491I don't know, but the fact that they can die seemingly without a way to revive them makes them look worse compared to Atari games. I was gonna say NES games, but I like NES games. Like Mega Man 4. I should play MM4 Minus Infinity. But I already have a bunch of unfinished games I should finish first.>>733399508Am I? I could be. I actually don't know. Probably I am. But if I'm not, you'd look like a loser. Unless I'm the loser. I hope I'm not. No one wants to be the loser. But I have no choice if I am. You just gotta accept that kind of thing. And you should. It's what makes winning feel good. You need to lose in order to get that. That's why easy games suck. You can't have any fun without pushback. But that pushback needs to be fair. If it isn't fair feeling it just feels like work. And it only needs to FEEL fair. That's the weird part. Do you ever wonder if things aren't fair but don't look like it? And in which direction? Sometimes I wonder if things are actually easy and I just have mediocre skill so it looks tough or challenging.
>>733399665That was the only one that sort of delivered not even complaining about the pokesaurians either>ShadowboxingNope>Venessa and MurataSomehow could walk away from the wyob curse and the latter killed by a monster unrelated to Natlan "nevermind don't ask questions, nothing to see here everything is explained ok?">War and slaveryNope>Wanderer's trope in Mare JivariNope>Mare JivariSomehow it vanished, but before that people could enter years ago, but not really because you need special magic but who cares don't ask questions.It's lazy.
>>733400108I will admit that they started getting their shit together in Nod-Krai but that does not excuse;>Peacony and Amphoreous in HSR>Chinatown in ZZZ>nearly all of Genshin beyond a few choice moments up until late NatlanI love hoyo's character designs and their gameplay is actually fun for the most part, but reading anymore hoyoslop makes me want to gouge my eyes out and feed them to the crows
>>733400275There was literally a war, we literally fought in it, am I going insane
>>733386643what is the best gacha for footchads?
>>733400417Chinatown in ZZZ is boring but not for the reasons you listed, it's just a shit story, it just wasn't interesting. And so was Amphoreous, it wasn't about inconsequential copy/paste NPCs, it was about main characters doing something really retarded and boring for like 5 patchesI loved penacony though, if it was a standalone JRPG it would be one of my favorites. Yeah the ending sucked but everything else was great
>>733400618It's hilarious how every thread like this boils down to this image
>>733386643Just skip the first arc until 1.3 Black Shores (already not China anymore) or right to 2.0 Rinascita. It improves drastically in story presentation, characters and everything and it has yet to stop improving (current 3.1. is the best update in the game so far).
Any gacha games where (You) are summoned to another world? I know FEH is one. Wondering if there was more.
>>733400735That's because if your remove the first sentence it applies to every popular gacha. They all have viable free characters, good OSTs and their first arc tends to suck.
>>733399162I was more thinking of scaramouche's lines about her being crazy and supposedly being responsible for evil shit. The way that got offloaded to crucabena did feel like arle got whitewashed so she could be sold.And yeah, I would've liked her to be a more flawed character. Arlecchino was like... slightly mean to Furina that one time? But she's not even really morally grey, she's just a flat-out goodboi who dindu nuffin. Can't pretend that's what I wanted for a member of the supposed antagonist faction.
>>733400850BA, but it really glazes over the fact that you were Isekai'd
>>733400875>slightly mean to Furina that one timeYou mean the time she tried to assassinate her? Yeah a bit
>>733400991No kidding. Because i actually forgot about that.
>>733400437Yes, against the abyss. To rub it even more on the nose some event explained that Natlan used to have regular tribal civil wars and now it's fucking disneyland. Unbelievable that even Inazuma is more of a war nation than the goddamn fire nation with already peestablished lore of being one.
>>733400735It really doesn'tNo one in Genshin, BA, or FGO is mentally ill enough to say the freebie units are the best
>>733400525it's gfl2the dorm gets more attention than game mechanics and balance
>>733401123>No one in Genshin, BA, or FGO is mentally ill enough to say the freebie units are the best>GenshinCome on now
Is Wizardry one any good?Also, for all the porn webms the thing gave us, is Brown Dust actually decent?
>>733400735you can replace the words and pictures with any game genre and it would still make sense. It's pathetic zoomer tier generalization because they lack critical thinking
GFL 2 is pretty comfy. A lot of fan service and you can auto battle most of the content if you're lazy.Snowbreak is great for fan service too.
>>733398901You forgot that one big quest from 2.0 with Fontaine photographer that's hard to miss because you can do 1 step a day, and it has like 15 steps.In that quest he talks about how fointaine is the worst place to live due to the pollution and shit and when we get there it's a literal disneyland
>>733401079I dunno, it felt thematically right to me. They're groomed from young age to go and die in battles with abyss, they have gladiatorial combat to decide who deserves to die in a battle with abyss, and you hear about a lot of character who did die, it wasn't exactly sunshine and rainbows. A character's sister dies on screen, a lot of NPCs die in the war, that didn't happen in disneyland last time I visited
>>733401306To be fair, neither of those are free, they just get rerun alotAnd it's not like hoyo hasn't been trying their damndest to boot Bennet out of the metaAlso I think Fish isn't BiS for any electro comp since Iansan is so good and she's also competing with Cow, Chud, Ineffa, and Clorinde as the second electro slot. We also have tons more off field DPS options now
Where are you sitting and why?
>>733401407Maybe he lived in the sewers
>>7334015751, he seems friendly
>>7334015753 and we start fucking
>>733401575I'm right there, sitting next to my hot sister with an empty chair between us. More room for us I guess
My issue with Nutlan, other than than the traversal paywall and nightsoul is the fucking pacing of the story.>drill loli is trapped with spooky ghosts and will die>let's build this Mcguffin, but first the pyro archon tells the lore and some of her parental issues first>but okay, hurry it up, we've got a loli to save>have to build the Mcguffin first>fine, let's find the parts >then the lesbian cowgirl's sister show up for some drama about lesbian not fingering the sister every night>aren't we saving the loli who will die at any moment?!>got all the parts, but the builder won't do it because he's still mourning his boyfriend died>entire flashback of him and his boyfriend>for fuck's sake>portal now open and we save the loliBonus:>pyro archon blows up roof of the cavern in order to save us>fuck yea>let me explore the cave that got blown up>the huge opening is gone>what the fuckAfter the victory party, I dipped.
>>733401619What about their pneuma ousia something that's polluting the landscape and caused even the oceanid boss from 1.0 to leave the place to find clearer waters?
>>7334015755. I want to absorb some of his gigachad aura
>>733401432>that didn't happen in disneyland last time I visitedEven irl disneyland has more wars. Even someone's sister got one time decapitated.
>>7334015753 so I can glance at her side boob
>>733401324Bd2 just keeps getting better so I think it's a good idea to try it. They added fishing and chibi avatar modes recently.
>>733399386>Use Morning's E to block and counterThere's very rarely a point to this, introing puts her directly into her forte state. >then take to the sky and soften the enemies with her satellite cannonYou are describing things that make a character's gameplay cool to WATCH on a purely aesthetic level, but there is nothing actually mechanically interesting here.>>733399670In terms of kit, rotation, and skill ceiling? Yeah she's kino.In terms of teambuilding? Unfortunately she is very restrictive, yeah.>Every character can do tune break and the new ones just adds extra flavorThey get to do it more often, it does more damage, triggers extra effects, creates synergies between new characters so you buy the whole team instead of pairing them with old characters, etc. Now every enemy is "does insanely annoying shit until tune broken", "takes extra damage when tune broken", etc. And the buffs in all 3 endgame modes shill tune stuff super hard. It's lame.
>>733401032Like signora assassinated venti? She was just after the gnosis.If she had actually hurt Furina in some way I could see that as something relevant and worth caring about. But in reality, nothing happened.
>>733402484Would play some Dragon Ball Legends or Yugioh Master Duel, yeah.
>>733401867Based yippies, Tom Sawyer Island is the best part of disneyland
>>7334015758, definitely. Especially if I can interpret Dante's clock sounds.
Guys, not OP but is ZZZ okay on mobile? I just moved back in with my brother and I had to leave my consoles and PC when I did.
>>733386643Just wait for AP at this point. Its quite detailed.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UQqQ1vPquk
>>733386643>Gacha Suggestions Why the fuck do you even want to play gatchashit to begin with?Do you want to waste hundreds of hours and potentially even money (if you're a weak minded whale) to gamble for characters?Unless your answer is yes, there's not a single reason to play any gatchashit.
>>733402967my answer is yes
>>733402937Panties or bust, I have enough tits
>>733400784>(current 3.1. is the best update in the game so far).Nah 2.5 is still a better story. Though the satellite section of 3.1 was very cool.
>>733401575I haven't played these games but either 3 so I can peek summa dat sideboob or 8 for what looks like an entertaining plane ride
I actually liked Huanglong a lot more than Rinascita.
I'd suggest Genshin because it's really the only good actual game with dozens of hours of content which doesn't devolve to "log in and do daily chores" but since it sounds like you get filtered by Chinese writing you'd very likely bounce off of it just like you did WuWa.
>>733403272The content density was higher and it was a different vibe. Flying feels good but it kinda makes level design irrelevant. Of course they backported flying to huanglong so
>>733401212i'm not really the model viewer typa guy, it has to be integrated into the gameplay etc. as well
>>7334032591 is a highschool teacher/harem protagonist.2 are a pair of ambiguously incestuous hacker/VHS store owner siblings.3 is two gender variations on that setting's main god, more or less.4 is a pair of military commander harem protagonists.5 is another military commander harem protsgonist.6 is a pair of ambiguously incestuous immortal adventurer siblings.7 is a pair of trash-obssessed shitposter homunculi with magical space cancer.8 is a pair of amnesiac geniuses who act like complete dorks.
