Is there any way we can attempt to analytically predict the commercial fate of Marathon before it launches?
At this point its not a prediction but a fact. The road for Marathon was so bumpy that there's no way it'll bounce back unless the devs pull out a miracle. The visuals are agravating, the gameplay isn't new and the niche it's trying to fill is saturated. It might have a big player base at the beginning, but it'll fall in days or weeks. People aren't calling it a new Concord just for shits and gigles. The signs are there.
>>733791712It'll do better than concord and highguard but probably not as well as they hope.I just wish they'd make a singleplayer fps campaign with that artstyle.
>>733791712>ResetEraSeething trannies. Marathon will be a massive financial success.
>>733791712Oh noes. It keeps going up on the Steam charts.
>>733792038The Marathon comeback needs to be studied.
>>733791712why would you do that when you could just wait a week and see what happensfucking faggot, are you trying to bet on the number or something? if not, why care?
>>733791712It's going to flop, nothing ever happens, they should have put enticing implied female nudity and you travel back in time and fight while running on top of dinosaurs and also make it singleplayer
>>733792216Are you 12
>>733791712I hope it flops if only for their "No, you can't play destiny 2 on Linux, and if you get it running on Linux, we'll ban you" messaging.
Just don't pre order. If its still around in 6 months itll be worth whatever you pay for it discounted on g2a or someshit unless it becomes free to play.Bungie has made paid games free to play before and removed content and shut down games, so you just can't pay for the game day one.
>>733791923Yup. Number of players will freefall after two weeks.I don't even want to try out the open demo because of how shit it looks.
>>733792267I'm 33 and if I were in charge of this game it would sell more units13 is the age where midwits become gay and lame
>>733791712>predict the commercial fate of Marathon before it launches?yes concord 3
>>733791712it'll be the most successful concord-like, but the price tag will kneecap its potential playerbase.Those who buy, will complain about performance/balance/lack of content, and it will hemorrage players hard by the end of the month as non-shroud streamers move back to their main games.The retarded developers, which still won't have a solid update roadmap, will release a nothingburger patch with some earnable cosmetic to try to FOMO-entrap its remaining players, they'll also do a 50% off or free weekend. It'll see a small boost, but nowhere near launch week.By June, it'll go F2P along some attempt at a major update. Paid fans will be pissed. Numbers will go up, but something foul will come to light, like spyware/data harvesting, a dangerhair dev whining about chuds harming the game, etc.Ark Raiders/Rivals/Overwatch will time this shit with a major update, pulling most players back. Marathon will survive on <10k players, mostly Destiny rapeds, until it goes maintenance mode in 2 years, shuts servers by 2030.
>>733791712I don't know how well it will do I just think the devs obsession with slapping neon green on half the game makes it fuck ugly to look at. Add in the rest of the art style looks like temu cyberpunk it's just an ugly ass looking game.
>>733792351Get used to it, Rust troons. You picked a fine time to be even less fucking bearable than even current Windows slop
>>733792498Enjoy life in the unemployment line, Bungietroon
>>733792038
>>733791712bro what even is thatbro is this a tumblr post, facebook?bro??? bro lmao
>its another "/v/ TORtanic posts so much that reality starts bending over backwards to make the game a success" episode
>>733792490I wouldn't mind the radioactive piss color, if they were consistent about it. But they make all players/weapons/vehicles with those colors, but the actual environments all natural-looking and very dark.It feels like they dropped a bunch of gaudy action figures onto a generic, realistic map, and it looks like ass.
>>733792541A Rust troon shilling nutroonix has no place ever saying this to anyone
>>733792695We'll see about that :^)
>>733791712If the game is any good it could be decently popular, it doesn't look completely bland. I haven't seen gameplay though, that's what it depends on.
>>733792038>>733792543This fake concern shilling doesn't fool anyone, no matter how much you spam it >>733792335>>733792391I don't think it'll be around in six months. If the new GTA comes out, everything but the most popular games are getting swallowed by that storm.
>>733792038>its actually trueNo… NO… BUT ASMON SAID… this cant be
>>733792834
>>733791712Since the success of Marathon is supposedly so important to Sony and Bungie, I bet we're gonna be seeing a lot of forced success via manipulated player counts and fabricated sales numbers.They want it to seem like it's doing great to keep people from writing it off and avoiding it.
>>733791712>le developer pedigreeResident Evil went from RE4 to RE5-RE6Rockstar went from making good games to complete slopND created decent movie slop to making complete shitBungie ain't shit, I don't trust them to make a single good game again and I wouldn't even try their shit even if it was free
>>733792946Hey, shill. Excited for the playtest? Do they actually make you have to play in it? I hope not.>>733793190Not going to work since the Steam Charts will lay that bullshit bare, as it did for every other live service sloppa that launched there. The number of 'Marathon DIDN'T flop, chuds' articles is going to be immense, though.
>>733793454Pre-ordered, cope.Escape will make me chud.
>>733793454>>733793601Im sorry to intrude on this conversation, but dont forget the slam starts at 1pm tomorrow.
Marathon won't be a failure of a game, its going to have a dedicated player base, likely in the low 10 thousands. It however isnt going to be the financial success Sony and especially bungie needs it to be.
>>733791712SARRRRRRRRRRRATHON OPEN WALLET
>>733793601I think 'escape will make me woke' is more accurate, since chuds wouldn't buy this shit at all.>>733793890A low 10k player count would be disastrous for Bungie.
>>733791923>People aren't calling it a new Concord just for shits and giglesI mean, they absolutely are. They want to be able to laugh, and pushing that has a tangible impact. It's basically a rallying motto for attempting to make a game to fail at this point, rather than a benign observation. That being said, I'm pretty sure Bungie need it to be bigger than it's reasonable for it to be, even without the backlash. Given Destiny falling directly into a toilet and their staff count being as high as it is, I don't think the extraction shooter genre has enough potential audience to even meet the need.
>>733793454>Not going to work since the Steam Charts will lay that bullshit baredidn't stop Ubisoft from lying through their teeth about AC:Dindu until the quarterly report revealed the truth.
>>733793931All the trannies play the woke slopfest Arc Raiders.
kek
>>733793991The companies will lie up and down because they have shareholders to please. Ubi was unique that time because the fate of their company literally rested on ACS performing, so they were bullshitting everything about its performance but stopped short of outright lying.My guess is we'll see the usual 'it has 1/2/3m players' copes immediately, but when pressed for actual sales figures, they won't release anything. Any evasiveness around actual units sold is the first clear sign of a flop.
>>733792834I seriously can't imagine GTA is coming out this year, but I still think Marathon is fucked because Bungle has definitely overspent on the production of a goddamn extraction shooter. That genre just isn't palatable for the audience being courted.
>>733794087God bless you for keeping up this absurd lie that somehow Arc is the woke game and not nuMarathon. Mwah.>>733794193>Marathon is fuckedI think this is true with or without GTA coming out, desu. There's no way they're making back half a decade's worth of development time with 500 people working on the game. I think we'll see GTAVI launch on PS5 in the fall, but the PC release is going to be 2027 around Christmas, if not later depending on the RAM/SSD bullshit.
>>733794126Based DOC making the trannies working pr seethe
What's the point of pre-ordering a digital game?
>>733794296Cope faggot.
>best case scenario>High player count with consistent retention, kinda like rivals or helldivers>Ideal case scenario>Good player count with decent retention eg space marines>Mid case scenario >Acceptable player count with middling retention like darktide>Flop tier>Concordtier
>>733791712Everything depends on the open playtest which I'm still salty about because I can't join it. Based on footage, Marathon is definitely a working, playable game. What I can't quite determine from the footage, however, is whether the gameplay loop is interesting.
>>733795018Never change, bro. You should also ask your masters for more anti-Arc shill images, because it's pitiable that you've only got the three you keep posting.>>733795183Marathon's gameplay loop is just Destiny 2 competitive PVP with an extraction at the end. Whether you find that interesting is your own business, but another anon pointed out that Destiny 2 PVP has been dead for a year.
>>733795289cope
>>733791712It needs to be hanging out in the top ten. Bungie is famous, and a sizable portion of its potential customer base already knows that it exists.If it's not hanging out in the top ten on Sunday, I'm calling it. Less than 50k max concurrent players.
>have to make and link bungie account to twitch to get rewardswhystop making people make gay accounts
>>733791712>developer pedigreeBungie left that back in 2007.
>>733791712>>733791923if it was free it might survive, but it costs £35
>>733795548They just want to artificially pump up sub numbers like what Sony tried to do with Helldivers II so it looks good in their financial report they pray to God the investors won't question.
>>733796068That never happened
>>733795548>crying about twitch rewardsthey apply retarded requirements to retarded people
>>733791712If you use BF6 and highguard as baselines for different tiers of "slop" you can - BF6 had 600k release week on steam charts - highguard had 100k - i predict 250k for marathon week 1 and 20-30k one month in
>>733792470>a dangerhair devthis> shuts servers by 2030extremely optimistic - they will turn off by end of 2027
>>733791712I've honestly no idea what marathon is xcept a bunch weird looking characters. Looksl ike another shooter so I'll probably keep playing battlefield
>>733799303No they won't
Marathon would be lucky to settle with current Arc Raiders numbers, but it needs 2-3x that to be considered a success for Sony.
>>733791712Should I give the play test a try?Never played an Extraction shooter. Can you just jump in by yourself or do you need a SQUAD as you zoomies call it?
>>733794126this timeline is insane - entire upper class is literally fucking kids and he texted one and is banned forever
>>733799327>no they won'tConcord lasted two weeks. If the players aren't there, it's fair to suggest Marathon might not last through the end of the year.>>7337993982-3x Arc's current numbers would have 600k+ people playing each day, which is beyond fantasy, especially once it launches and you have to spend $40 on it.
>>733799443Yes do it bro it's gonna be lit
OK but will the game actually be fun to play?
>>733791712high player count day 1 but it will loose 90% of players after the first month
>>733791712>due to its developer pedigreeDoes Bungie even have that anymore?Destiny 2 seemed to rub a lot of people the wrong way.
>>733791712>Is there any way we can attempt to analytically predict the commercial fate of Marathon before it launches?>Destiny was good when it launch and slowly turned into a piece of shit over time>Destiny 2 was somehow even shittier at launch, was very slowly turned into slightly less of a piece of shit that still was not as good as Destiny 1>Bungie then removes like 70% of Destiny 2, like they just straight up remove it, it's gone now>not to mention that like half of Destiny 2 is just Destiny 1 anyway>Marathon looks exactly like it's a slower version of Destiny 2 that is played in the free roam map and has PvP enabled>spoiler: NO ONE plays free roam for fun>on top of this, the entire artstyle was plagiarized and in many cases quite literally copy and pasted from a tranny artist (antireal) that the creative director follows on TwitterIt's going to be Concord 3.
>>733792895Why do you let that human cockroach live rent free in your head like this?
The reality is Sony paid 3.8 billion for Bungie.There is nothing Marathon can do to save that studio from the execs circling them like sharks.
>>733794964What's the point of pre ordering live service slop?
>>733792895Asmon said that the game was based
>>733800448>The reality is Sony paid 3.8 billion for Bungie.worst they spent billionsAND let bungie be one of the main advisors for their dogshit GAAS erawhich they dudnt even stop concord from happening lmao
>>733800341Have you seen the average tranny's room?Of course there are cockroaches living in it.And as above so below, then as outside so inside.
>>733800260Hey buddy glad to see you again, hope you're having a good day.>>733800448It's such a huge number, I wonder when they go from floating them along for the brand recognition and potential of something good coming out of them to when they just give up and stop the bleeding.
>>733800260>is there a way to analytically predict its failureAn anon in another thread made an interesting observation that Mewgenics, which has been far and away higher in the best seller list than for Marathon (and for longer) recently announced 1m sales. If you extrapolate that, Marathon sales figures right now are probably quite bad.Beyond that, the playtest needs to happen to see how many people/bots play it. If players report trouble finding matches, then it's probably being botted like Highguard was at launch.
>>733800641>Hey buddy glad to see you again, hope you're having a good day.Likewise
Stop trying to predict shit, focus on discussing what happens.
>>733800641They're basically waiting for the quarterly financials after Marathon comes out.As much as /v/ hates to admit it, Bungie salvaged the actual Concord 3.0 launch last year. Now Marathon will do decently well in its niche as a sweaty extraction shooter but that's still niche success compared to the Sony execs wanting a complete megahit.
>>733793452>RE4-6 MOG RE1-3>Max Payne 3 and RDR2 MOG all the shit that R* did prior>ND only good franchise was Uncharted>Marathon MOGs Halo
>>733800834>"provably" less than 1m salesInteresting. >If players report trouble finding matchesI obviously haven't played this piece of shit and I never will, but Bungie's SBMM is a piece of shit. In Destiny 1, I eventually got to such a high invisible ranking that it would take me 10 minutes in orbit only for the matchmaking to time out. So I made a new account just to see if it was my internet somehow or what the fuck was going on, and on the new account I was instantly in lobbies of people who are so bad that you could stomp the entire lobby, like actual clueless retards, not anywhere near the caliber of player I'd normally play against. So I wonder how long it will take the sweats to eventually price themselves out of the matchmaking and end up in free roam lobbies of nothing but PvE mobs who barely even try to fight you. Like, if streamers no life this game for a month, I can easily see them getting to a point where they wander around the zone for an entire hour without ever seeing another player besides them and their squad.
>>733799530Yeah it's just not gonna happen. Even if Marathon doesn't crash and burn, the expectations set by Sony are highly improbable. I would say maybe they can still weasel by like they've always done with Destiny under Activision at best.
What's GAAS?
>>733800934But will it pull in cosmetic sales? There's no way they sell enough 40 dollar copies to cover the cost of the game. People saying it will giga flop are deluded but I'm not expecting them to brag about 10 gorillian copies sold either.
>>733801258Games as a serviceMmo's and games that are drip fed content fall into this category. Destiny where you have to buy the latest xpac to keep up etc.
>>733801150I don't know about provably, but it was an interesting metric. And without the game having user reviews, you can't really use the Boxleiter Method either.>finding matchesMy schizo theory is that it's easy to make fake Steam accounts to 'play' F2P games, but the bot can just open the game and sit at the main menu to count toward the player number. I think this happened with Highguard since it had 80k+ people on launch weekend but tons of streamers were sitting in 3m queues or longer waiting for matches. That seems counterintuitive.>>733801201What's funny is it's not just $3.6 billy, but also all the money Sony spent on keeping the studio open these past four years, so add another $400 or $500 mil since Bungie has a thousand people working there.
I think "It will do well, just not well enough" is a pretty safe expectation. The Finals might be a good point of comparison
>>733801531>>733801346>>733800934its gonna be an ac shadows situationdoes well initially makes /v/ madbut long term bungie is still in hot water
>>733800260>concord 3lolLet's try to recap>Main seriesConcord 0: BattlebornConcord Origins: HyenasConcordConcord 2: HighguardConcord 3: MarathonConcord 4: FairgamesConcord 5: Hunter GatheringsConcord 6: Imagine Dragons>Spin offsDestruction All ShartConcordhomeworld 3Dustborn: A Concord StoryConcord RelootedDragon Age The ConcordguardUnkown 9 Wokening1348 ExConcord>unclear if they are part of the concordverseLawbreakersFBC Firebreak
>>733801709>Concordhomeworld 3We have concord at home 3
Is Saar still seething over a game he doesn't care about?
>>733801514>My schizo theory is that it's easy to make fake Steam accounts to 'play' F2P gamesDestiny 1 was a console game that you had to buy. I didn't really play Destiny 2 enough to comment on its matchmaking, but I also played it on console for a minute when it first released, but it was just an even worse version of Destiny 1 when it launched, and Destiny 1 was already complete dogshit at that point. >but tons of streamers were sitting in 3m queues or longer waiting for matchesIt could be bots, but it's also the invisible SBMM of games that do not have a formal Ranked mode. You can price yourself out of the matchmaking, and I bet that happens pretty quickly to streamers because it's literally their job to play games.
>>733801709Mental illness
>>733792705kek
>>733791712They figured out that all they need to do is keep paying Indians to shill it on /v/ 24/7 like they did with E33 and then public sentiment will change. I predict that half of the posts mentioning Marathon will be "you're brown if you don't buy it" and how all of the developers are "white" Americans.
>>733801709Jut missing>Main seriesConcord 7: 4Loop>Spin-offFoamshartsConcordInn
>>733791712People always want another TORtanic (now Concord), but Marathon is by Bungie. That alone will keep the game afloat. It's not going to instantly die like Concord or Highguard.
FACT: Marathon WILL have over 200K players day 1FACT 2: Marathon WILL lose 90% of that day 2 as people realise they don't like the game, and it will only get worse from there.
I will enjoy watching it fail and I hope every dev and artist involved commits sudoku so they never have a chance to serve their unfun nihilistic slop to gamers ever again>Don't blame the devs, blame the executivesI hope the execs get bonuses and get hired by other publishers to give AAA the quick death it needs
>>733803994>Wishful thinkingYawn
>>733791712From Wikipedia:>Development has spanned more than 4 years, and involved over 300 developers.Assuming all 300 developers are making the median American salary of 77k, they've already spent 93m on salaries alone.At $40, they would have to sell 2,325,000 just to break even on salaries. And the real total cost would include contractors, servers, office buildings etc. It's hard to estimate the total cost with no data, but most AAA games have a total budget between 150m and 250m.
>>733791712>developer pedigreeDid that guys brain stop working in 2007?Bungie is a shell of it's former self. Hell, not even compared to Halo days, but Destiny 1 days. There is no good will left any more.
>>733791712Is this the looney troon game whose devs stole some artist's props and tried to deny it and lie about it?Not gonna lie, that's worse than saying you use AI, though equally lazy and creatively bankrupt bruv. Sad!
>>733805240>77kBungie is in seattle, bro. Bump that number up to 100k at least.
>>733805729>Posted it again award
>>733806309>Took HRT again award
>>733806934Enough about HRT raiders
>>733791923This game probably has had a huge amount of money invested into it, and more so considering the delay and extra work after the initial clusterfuck. It will need a fuck ton of sales on release to recoup costs and actually turn a profit.
>>733807258>seethes about Arc Raiders, totally unpromptedYou love to see it.
>>733807582You're the one that mentioned HRT
>>733807756Different anon. I know this not being reddit makes it hard for you to tell who posted what, but try harder.
>>733807895Whatever, still not unprompted
>>733791712bungie is dead
>>733808096How? Aren't they releasing a game soon?
>>733808982They've been dead spiritually for at least a decade. All the original devs who made Halo are long gone. And when Marathon flops, they're probably going to get upgraded to actually dead when Sony closes the studio.
>>733807472>It will need a fuck ton of sales on release to recoup costs and actually turn a profitnot really. the only thing they need are whales to keep the whole game alive
>>733791712You could always just wait a week.
>>733809476Retardo, it needs fucking sales to make back the five years spent developing it. whales only help make money for a game after it's already in the green.
>>733809419That's not true, substantial amount are gone but there are some still around. Plus, it's rather notable that out of all the grizzled ancients who left, NONE managed to make a name for themselves or even settle comfortably outside of Bungie. Jaime's game flopped, Marty does fuck all besides post politics, Staten practically vanished inside MS after three games he was helping narrative teams with got shitty releases or were cancelled
>>733809749>none made a name for themselvesI think that's just true in general. Ex-Blizzard devs had a studio flop, Ex-Apex devs just had highguard, and so on. I think all being from a once famous studio is good for is getting some idiot to give you funding.
Chuds just can't handle that I'm having a blast waiting for the Super Slam, and that Bungie has went back to their roots in this epic return to form!!!
>>733803414This is my prediction as well. They'll pay a bunch of FPS streamers like burntpeanut and shroud and whoever else is popular with zoomies and the alpha generation to shill it hard. Considering Highguard reached nearly 100k CCU, I'm predicting 250-300k for Marathon's server slam. Then ~100k for the actual release which will drop down to ~60k over 3 months then eventually peter out to ~20k over the next year.
>>733809898Cool it shill, it doesn't look that good
>>733792470There it is
>>733810447Go crying
>>733791712Yes. You can tell it’s going to fail because the conversation fans are having is about if it will fail, and not about how fun it will be. Deadlock fans aren’t concerned if the game will succeed or not.
>>733791712Its server test is tomorrow, right? Perfect day for me to wake up and NOT download fifty gigabytes for one extraction shooter
Reminder
>>733792038hahaha, keep crying chuds. I bought 6 copies for me and my friends already, and we're having a blast seeing you pissbabies lose it.
>>733810641You're right, it's going to be around 15gb
>>733811131Bungie is based for not having pozzed file sizes. Common Bungie W.
>>733799457he wasn't rich or jewish enough
>>733811131Whatever, it's still extraction-slop no-one wanted.
>>733803320Bungee at this point is probably like 70%+ women and pajeets due to diversity initiatives. Also E33 is actually a good game. Shilling doesnt really work on a turd. Especially not an insanely high budget turd.
>>733812003>Bungie is based for not having pozzed file sizes. Common Bungie W.you fuckin retarded? They are some of the most criminal for this and chopped 1/2 the content out of Destiny 2 because they were afraid of file sizes being too big for console hard drives
>>733799457I take more issues on all the people on twitter still calling him a pedophile and completely getting the facts wrong. Would be funny if he sued all these retards.
>>733803994i'll never get the astroturfed idea of blaming "executives" for anythingthe position itself already sounds vague in a way that the shills can blanket blame on meanwhile the devs are the ones that control the buttons they press throughout making the game and the artists control the lines they draw throughout making art for the game
>>733812003they were the first to inflate file sizes thoughminimizing file size is the bare minimum especially for triple a
>>733812607what even happened back then?
>>733809749It's like how John Romero needed John Carmack. Some guys work together like a miracle, and when they're apart- all but useless. Bungie had a dream team in ages past, and now it's very much Bungle.
>>733809749>peaking before you begin baldingoh well
>>733812916Way back twitch implemented that messaging system you couldn't opt out of so everybody could just message streamers. Some underage girl faked her age on the account and something inappropriate was written. It's not clear if she revealed her actual age to him. It wasn't even clear if it was dirty jokes or sexting. Either way nothing about it was illegal or an investigation would have taken place. But since doc already was hated by the usual suspects anyway they just make shit up now.
>>733791923>the visuals are aggravatingmaybe for retarded allergic to color zoomers like you>the gameplay isn't newthere is no fps extraction shooter with pvp focus that is available on consoles>niche it's trying to fill is saturatedagain wrong, there is no competition for it on consoles and the only real competition on pc is tarkov. ARC doesn't count, its PVE friendslop
>>733813547>widows peak>not baldingUh oh
>Is there any way we can attempt to analytically predict the commercial fate of Marathon before it launches?Yes. It has an intriguingly unique (albeit polarizing) aesthetic and enters a genre with a lot of interest but no clear cut market leader. It'll be a hit.It's easy to make predictions if you have taste. Midwits are always terrified of making their own calls and anxiously try to gauge the popular sentiment or else hype/trash everything indiscriminately.
>deepthroats the aesthetic>"if you have taste"
>>733813673>women ruin everythingwelpdoesn't help dr. disrespect looks like the safe sleazy guys with performative facial hair and mullet hair
>>733814372>polarizing aestheticCorrect>no clear market leaderTotal bullshit. The market leaders are Tarkov and Arc, and by a country mile.>it'll be a hitNope. Already failing to be in Steam's top 10 preorders global this close to launch means it's underperforming, as does the shill campaign happening across social media.
>>733814372>a genre with a lot of interestthe genre has effectively negative interest outside of people already playing it. It's only going to really succeed if they manage to rip the playerbase from arc raiders and/or tarkov.bungo quite literally are the ones that wrote the "make matchmaking as shitty as possible and try and force players to rage queue" playbook for activision. This is probably not going to fly for the arc raiders crowd. It's also not tacticool REALIZM so tarkov crowd isn't going to care much either. that leaves their audience down to only the absolute diehard destiny 2 playerbase, which overwhelmingly prefer straight PVE content and loath(with good reason) any attempt bungo has at forcing PVP.the game is probably going to sell decently well for the first week but a month or two down the line the population is going to be shit for what they're targeting.
>>733814372the interest is probably just the youtuber bump. It happened to The Day Before as well which was briefly so popular that it had more interest than Silksong.
>>733791712Why did Sony make 3 concords in 1 year?
>>733814740wasnt that a scam game?
>>733810998>me and my friends are playing in poop, smearing it all over ourselves!>you chuds are just jealous!ok
>>733791712it's like the word "personally" is always a cursethat's what you get for not being a Christian and just going offf of aimless vibes
>>733814840Because of a certain dutchman.
>>733814671But destinyfags dont want extraction shooters
>>733815019yes, which was my point. the game is still going to have decent initial sales, it's just going to lose all momentum really fast. I'd guess in maybe 2-3 months bungo will announce that they're going to try and do a PVE only mode and it might half bounce back but still be a much smaller playerbase than it would've been if they had just done that to begin with.
>>733812557>an insanely high budget turdYou got that right. This failure is another demonstration that a small, highly passionate and competent team wipe the floor with most AAA studios. The development of nu-Marathon must have been utter chaos with most of the team quiet quitting due to the lack of vision by their "management" or something. How else did they burn so much money to deliver... THIS!?!?!
>>733814634>Tarkovbogged down by retarded developers, queue times are still 10 minutes>ArcPVE friendslop, not a real extraction shooter
>>733815308And they're still the market leaders by wide margins. Marathon is going to try to grab the hardcore PVP players, but quickly pivot to PVE after realizing a niche group of sweats can't sustain a large studio like Bungie.
>>733791712It'll do ok but not good enough in the long runSource: idk just kinda feel it in my bones
>>733815435Yep this is the reality.Marathon is gonna do well for its niche but instantly realize that there aren't enough sweatlord extraction shooter players to sustain the kind of upjeep Bungie has.
>>733815792>do well for its nicheidk, the $40 entry fee is going to shrink that audience even further, and the casuals who try to hang around are going to get raped and ratted until they leave. It won't have a Highguard 90% drop off, but it's going to be steep and pretty quick
>>733816095it might survive with a niche but strong playerbase once they inevitably go f2p, but it has all the hallmarks of being a very forgettable product for most people, besides the inherent sweatiness of extraction games.It's just going to be a very ugly-looking Hunt Showdown.
>>733792038>>733792895The fact that it still has room to go up this close to release is a bad sign.
>>733814605>>733813673He knew that she was underage. His fans are lying. What he said was bad enough for twitch to willingly lose a lot of money, whatever it was.
>>733797875Yeah, that's why you think it's okay, but the non-retarded anon up there doesn't like it.
>>733809419>Sony closes the studio I feel like they spent way too much on Bungie for that to happen this quickly. Pride alone will keep them alive for a while.
Everything depends on this beta weekend. They need whatever they are showing to really impress. If there is anything bumps in the road they are fucked. Resident Evil coming out this weekend doesn't help either
Things to consider:>3.6 billion fucking dollars>development hell, it was supposed to release years ago even ignoring the late-2025 delay>Bungie is publishing it themselves instead of leaving it to SIE (expensive), and have chose to create short films (expensive), endless cinematic trailers (expensive) and in-studio events (expensive)>Destiny 2 died way faster than Bungie anticipated so the pressure is even higher>this game is also expected to make up for the upcoming failure of games like Fairgames and the newly announced Horizon Hunters (Sony kept it out of the State of Play for a reason - they knew what the reaction would be)>the game's success will ultimately be decided by its microtransaction sales - are people going to be buying skins for these characters?I expect launch week to reach 200k concurrent. /v/ will seethe with rage at the game's success, Sony will seethe with rage at its colossal underperformance.
>Server Slam fine print is just that, its a multi-day server stress test>explicitly states to expect DCs, queues, and errors on short noticeSo basically one wrong move and the hype bubble explodes. Rather bold of Bungie to do this before they can actually collect on their money come launch day.
>>733819003>I expect launch week to reach 200k concurrent. /v/ will seethe with rage at the game's success, Sony will seethe with rage at its colossal underperformance.Lynchian
>only 4 maps on launchfucking really?
>>733819003>Things to consider:The only thing they're doing is milking Sony for more money. They give so little fucks that they stole the game's entire art direction.
>>733791712thats the 3.8 billion dollar question everyone at Sony is asking.
40$ isn't even a crazy price. /v/'s just filled with poorfags
>>733820262$40 is a ludicrous price when the established and entrenched competition is F2P.
>>733817996>this quicklyAnon, it's been five years since Sony bought them. Half a decade.
>>733800238>Destiny 2 seemed to rub a lot of people the wrong way.because its shit and its maintained by people who hate the playerbase
>>733819603If it flopped on launch day, anyone who paid would just get a refund.
What would need to happen for this game to turn a profit large enough and fast enough for Sony not to curbstomp Bungie?
>>733820357????Arc Raider is paid bro
>>733820656But Marathon is PVP only, so it's competing with Tarkov, right? Is Tarkov paid?
>>733820808yes, tarkov is paid, and its fucking pay 2 win too
>>733819603marathon is probably going to have a significantly better capacity for "PVE" than arc raiders will ever have. >Is Tarkov paid?Tarkov is $50, dude.the game is still going to be shit and not do anywhere near as well as bungie needs it to but you're absolutely fucking retarded.
>>733821241>marathon is better setup for PVE than ArcMarathon is straight PVP. To pivot to PVE would require them to foundationally change a lot of it, which they can't and won't do, or they would've done it already.
>>733821570>Marathon is straight PVPIt isn't though? It's PvPvE. They've gone into detail explaining the effort they've put into the PvE side of things and that there are different tiers of maps and that the PvE presence ramps up for each tier.
>>733820262Depends on how the 'premium currency' gets rolled out, if you can't earn it in game it's a wash.
>>733821661It is, 100%. You cannot play the game without being exposed to attacks from other players. There is absolutely no way to ignore or avoid that.>they've gone into detail blah blahThey're trying to pretend it's PVE friendly to bait the casuals (like with that peanut stream that was staged), but it's just putting lipstick on a pig.
>>733821805by that definition arc raiders is also straight PVP. Which is to say, you're a fucking retard.It has a PVE element. The PVE is going to be significantly more fleshed out and much better than anything arc raiders will ever be able to offer for PVE. >citing random e-celeb shityou already confirmed you were braindamaged, you didn't need to make it even more obvious.
>>733822019Arc has ABMM, and from what I understand, it lets you play PVE and filters out PVPers. Marathon has nothing like that.>Marathon's PVE is going to be significantly more fleshed outWhen? A later season? It's not happening in what's getting released in a week.>random eceleb shitI'm citing a major marketing stream Bungie put on, you mong. It was staged to look a lot softer and less PVP because they know the game cannot survive on PVP players alone. You can ignore it if you want, but it's not changing reality.
>>733791712Why the fuck did Bungie see it as necessary to make Thief and Vandal look like that? They made me want to fuck robo women again
>>733791923>the niche it's trying to fill is saturatedyou sound like someone who vaguely knows what an extraction shooter is but hasn't played any of themnone of the popular extraction shooters out right now try to be fun, they try to be "immersive" and in doing so sacrifice playability with how much they seem to fight back against the player's attempt to have fun in the moment to moment gameplaymarathon is just apex as an extraction shooter and it's why it has a shot at succeeding
>>733822095>i-i-it's not PVP because uhhh I don't want to agree that it is!Fucking retard.'And work on your reading comprehension. I'm saying arc raiders PVE is mechanically garbage. If there were a PVE only queue in both marathon and arc raiders, marathon would be unquestionably a significantly superior game with a much better and more varied PVE experience, both in terms of enemies being significantly more fleshed out on top of the game having far better gunplay.
>>733791923>the niche it's trying to fill is saturatedLMAO? Outside of Tarkov, I can't think of any Extraction shooter that lasted in the zeitgeist for a year. And Tarkov has screwed over its customers who paid $150 for EoD, leaving them vulnerable to having their niche attacked. I'm not going to say Marathon is fine because if I don't say anything, you'll consider me a shill, but Marathon can succeed. Whether or not Bungie actually wants to put in the effort of making the game good is up to them which considering Destiny, they haven't particularly done outside of desperation.
>>733822235>marathon is just apex as an extraction shooter and it's why it has a shot at succeedingIt has shit movement tho
>>733822435it doesn't have jank quake engine movement from the 90s but it's fine for what it is
>>733822258Arc has explicit mechanics to provide a PVE experience. Marathon does not. That's the different I'm trying to point out that you don't want to acknowledge.>Arc is garbage in PVE and Marathon would be betterMarathon's PVE would be generic Destiny 2 open world PVE. The enemies are one note robots. Maybe if there's a distant future state where they add in actual shit from the OG Marathon game there would be more variety, but there damn sure isn't at launch.
>>733822305stop with this delusion, there are a fucking ton of extraction games. Hunt showdown, Arena Breakout: Infinite, Grey Zone Warfare, Tarkov, The Cycle: Frontier, Delta Force, Dark and Darker, and of course Arc if you're a console pleb. that is 6. Do you play any of them? Why do you need more of the same trendy slop?
>>733791712a lot of normies REALLY like destiny, and they've been conditioned into this weird abusive relationship with bungie wherein they trauma bond whilst nitpicking every aspect of the game and talking about how it's so over.i think the media campaign is sending the right signals to the right people, and it's going to sell pretty well. we'll see if it can retain a decent player population. they always have the nuclear option of hard-pivoting and shipping some tough destiny style pve raids etc to hold their core audience
>>733822632>a lot of normies REALLY like DestinyAnon, Destiny 2 has never had lower player counts. Those people are gone.
>>733822150hnnggg
>>733822845..anon, that drawing looks like complete shit. Look how far apart her eyes are. She looks like she just slithered out of Innsmouth.
i think its a mistake to limit the test to just perimeter and dire marsh
>>733823036it's fine since it only runs for a few days, when they launched the october beta with outpost they had to disable it until the last 2 days because most of the playerbase was still stuck in perimeter and dire marsh and the ones who did unlock it couldn't find matches on it
arc trannies are on total meltdown lmaoyou almost never see any organic marathon threads nowit's always these fucks just trying to shit on a game that isnt even out yet these fags need to take their meds
>>733823036>Glitch went from goblin to hottieIm gonna be honest, i didn’t have much hope, but Bungie proved me wrong.
>>733822487The only decent part of the movement is the anemic grappling hook.
>>733791712Its a fucking extraction shooter. This is a tiny genera full cheating faggots who spend all their time trying to out cheat each other with aimbots, wall hacks and loot dupes. They spent waaay too much money on it. If it was like arc raiders which cost 75$mil to make they'd be fineThey fucking blew nearly $1 billion dollars on this
>>733823828Uhhhh Marathon has built in wallhacks
>>733823378huh i played the oct test and yea outpost was a grind to get but i found games without issue?
>>733824094there were people who rushed through the game and reached it way earlier than most of the playerbase
dont care gonna have a BLAST
>>733814372I would like to add that people often overlook the cross-market attraction. Some people stick to one genre, notably mobafags. Most people actually play a variety of games and don't mind switching it up if their friends follow suit. I'm the solo grinding mostly fps kind of player and this game caught my interest a long time ago. My most played games are apex, overwatch and counterstrike but I also play singleplayer casual games occasionally. Never played tarkov or arc.
>>733819003This is likely going to be the case. It'll do slightly worse than Arc Raiders but still have a healthy playerbase. However it'll drop relatively quickly when Destiny refugees leave because the game isn't Destiny 2.5 and it'll drastically underperform for Sony's standards.
>>733822964women from innsmouth look like this
>>733801709KEK
>in top 10 top sellers nowuh oh chud sisters...
>>733824814>122 titles excluded based on your preferences.
So what happens when the Server Slam has similar or less players then the full release of Arc Raiders?
>>733824814It's like the 57th top seller on psn right now, which seems pretty abysmal.
>>733825110Extraction shooters do better on pc
>>733824886yes i should have included the porn games in that list, made a big difference!
>>733803406 Concord was an actual giant disaster, TOR is STILL running to this very day and just had a hilariously bad launch. You can't compare the two
We already know the numbers, it’s just basic arithmetic and circumstance. Day 1 or Server Slam will be 350k+. Day 1 official launch will be half of that because of price tag. Months after release will stabilise at 50k. That’s across all platforms. >how do you-Original public alphas and betas had about 80k people in them with no marketing and the original art and concord sentiments.
>>733825726this
>>733825726not this
>>733791923The road for Marathon being bumpy is the best and most confidence boasting thing for the game; say what you want about Bungie but they have not succumbed to the toxic positivity shit that has ruined other studios. They know they are in trouble and they were bursting their asses to save the game. Will that be enough?
ngl I’m pretty excited for the server slam. the art direction is extremely up my alley and I’m a consolefag who just wants a decent extraction shooter. I loved Destiny but kind of fell off in terms of keeping up with all the expansions. I’m pretty much the target audience I guess so I’m hoping bungie does a decent job.
>>733826689i played the tests, its really good if you like dark scifi and pvp
>>733826913>80 hoursunfair
>>733810447I mean, it's definitely not the same as everything else. It honestly kind of makes me want to grab the Wipeout collection because I'd rather slit my wrists than renew my PS+ subscription.
Serious question why does this board have such a hateboner for Marathon?
>>733827678classic case of tortanic (concord if you're a newfag) derangement syndrome
>>733827678colors = woke to these retards
>>733827678Because it's another game that has way too much riding on it, but has made egregious errors publicly. Add on to that the fact that Destiny is dying (and possibly will die) from undernourishment from Marathon stealing everyone who was actively working on Destiny 2 (least of all the entire PvP team), and you have a game that, if it fails, will become a TORtanic comparable to Concord, and likely the final nail in the coffin for Bungie before the studio is torn limb from limb, and Destiny 2 gets put into maintenance mode like its predecessor.
500,000 concurrent players on the first weekend or I eat my cum
>>733827678it's arc raider players who think their game is the best thing to ever releaseliterally no one on /v/ cares about this game except for them
>>733791712FUCK, you bros gonna be able to sleep tonight? I literally cannot wait. Feels like Christmas. I haven’t been this excited for a game in a while.
>>733825726>Original public alphas and betas had about 80k people in themSource
>>733791712I don't play extraction shooters, so I have no dog in this fight. I'd love to see this fail because it would be funny.
>>733828182do we know when the test actually starts?
>>7338284751pm ET, 10am PTLock in anon come on.
>>733828275Funniest would be if its successful the first month and makes /v/ seethe but then it flops longterm and Bungie gets cucked.
>>733828823Nah, Bungie are masters of live service. Yeah, they are letting D2 rot right now, but who wouldn’t? Those mfs have been on that game for 10 years.
>>733829046>letting D2 rotThat's putting it nicely. Do you think Bungie wanted that game to fucking die? They utterly fumbled it and content vaulting is a cancerous fucking mechanic.
>>733792437Are you 13?
>>733829387Its funny how people still mention content vaulting when thats the least of the games worries and hasnt been an issue since Witch Queen
I’m very interested in seeing what Season 2 would be.
>>733829616Content Vaulting isn’t really a big issue, it’s more like a 89 IQ consumer issue. >I bought burger and they took it away from meThe real issue with vaulting content is they got rid of all the fucking tutorials. Now you have a godawful onboarding process. Marathon could fall prey to this too. They could be in Season 14 and there’ll be 3 years of lore that’s only on YouTube. Even Genshin has this issue just with vaulting small character side quests.
>>733791712oh hey Concord 3 thread? nice!it will flop and nu-bungie will send their DEI hires and retarded leftoid devs back home, OH I CAN'T WAIT TO DANCE ON THEIR GRAVES god schadenfreude is such an orgasmic thing.....
>>733825285No. No they dont. Tarkov has its own launcher because linking it with any other account is full retard and the russian dev will just steal your steam account. Arc is an exception as its a casual game for normies. All the other extraction shooters are dead games with small player bases.Marathon is cooked.
>>733826913Nice. Yeah I specifically want it to be a bit more PvP oriented, I got a little into arc raiders and think the enemy AI stuff in that game is very cool, but the art sucks and the vibe is too wholesome chungus redditor cozy for me. I feel bad killing other players because everyone is nice and the world doesn’t really justify it. Meanwhile Marathon seems like it’s intentionally designed to bring out the worst in its players and I kind of love that. The whole cold blooded corporate killer thing is very up my alley, and I love the whole wipeout but with colonial murder cults thing. Feels refreshing in an environment where nobody wants games to be toxic. I always like to have one game on rotation where I can get a shot of that and this seems like it might take that slot.
>>733829932Saar hunt showdown has been a thing for like 5 years
>>733830034that game looks entirely unappealing and uninteresting to me sorry. if I can’t rock with a game’s aesthetic I lose interest very quickly
Haters lost. Embark Lost. Runners won.
>>733829838>Marathon is cooked.It's right now #11 in global sales on Steam. It has been steadily climbing up the chart so quite a lot of people have already bought it pre-release. I expect a lot more will after the server slam too if it's good so when it actually releases I expect it will have a player base.
>>733830210Forgot pic.
>>733829629Pfhor invasion is my guess
>>733829932yea it is much more kill on sight, and from an immersion perspective it feels extremely tense/sinister at times, the sound design is really excellent. i unlocked arachne last (death cult faction) and all of their contracts are for killing runners in various ways. the only time i teamed with another random was when i was a rook and ran into another rook (forced solo scavengers)
no matter how well this game goes, it will still not be enough to satisfy sony
You have to keep in mind that Marathon is going for the hardcore crowd. That 50,000 core player base a month after release is in line with Apex and so on. I’ll be smaller than Destiny and Arc, for sure.
>>733830425destiny has like sub 20k now, its gonna be bigger, but i agree that it will sustain off a core hardcore base
>>733791712Dead game, made by a zombie company that pushes this subhuman FILTH
Can I get into this game playing alone? I hate squad slop
>>733830462>>733830425The question is if Sony execs will be satisfied with just a core playerbase.
>>733830252the immersion factor is the big thing for me desu, say what you will about modern bungie but I still trust them to weave interesting worldbuilding into their multiplayer. I’m a mostly solos player - I don’t have many friends who game anymore and can’t be arsed to maintain e-friendships in my 30s so that sort of stuff is very important to me as far as keeping me coming back. I’m keeping my expectations low but right now it’s checking all my boxes. still kind of surprised the general consensus is so negative here, sign of the times I guess.
>>733830560yea who knows, they will also be announcing their road maps in a few days and that will determine a lot
Didn't everyone say the beta sucked?
>>733830425>You have to keep in mind that Marathon is going for the hardcore crowdIt's more PvP than other games which will bring in the more hardcore crowd however the game is also split up into different areas of varying difficulty, with harder areas having better loot. This will probably mean that the hardcore guys will gravitate towards the harder areas for a greater challenge while leaving the lower level areas as still PvP but maybe a bit less sweaty about it so other more casual players can have fun and mess around a bit too.
>>733830346fucking nothing is enough to satisfy modern Sony lol. knowing them they’ll shut bungie down in two years.
>Actually letting their only guaranteed successful Live service game rot to replace it with a gamble is a GOOD thing.Gambling brain-rot in this generation goes all the way to the top where even massive billion dollar companies are just rolling the dice every month.
>>7338305914chan penned this as a new concord early on and they are stubborn to acknowledge the improvements, i expect the test tomorrow to change a lot of minds. i also am only a solo player, solo queue was a good experience but it definitely encourages ratting to some extent, or at least i leaned into it, since sound cues can be so huge, being quiet and waiting to pinpoint someones location can be huge. for what its worth despite the ratting i really enjoyed solo and rook is also forced solo which was a lot of fun for just scavenging suppliesoverall though, very immersive and i thought all the factions/corpo stuff was great
I'm going to try out the server slam to see if the game is fun. If I enjoy it I will buy it. If I don't enjoy it I'll ignore it because I can't be assed to hate on something I don't care about.
>>733830662Arc is already borderline too much for casuals.Marathon is way sweatier.Bungie is legit falling for the hardcore pitfall and will get caught offguard by just how much extraction shooters really filter players.
>>733830637the first alpha yea but all the rest have been good
>>733830535yea they have a solo queue and rook is a purely solo scavenger that gets a free kit and joins ongoing games
>>733830346>>733830674goodImagine fucking spending THREE BILLION AND EIGHT HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS ON BUNGIEand then letting them approve ConcordUtterly worst fucking decision a d the sony suits are salivatinf at completely destroying bungie
>>733830346Sad but true. Like I'm surprised /v/ cares so much about whether or not Marathon will sell when every Bungie employee has one of these in their cubicle.
>>733830210no shit retard. it wont come close to breaking even. even if it sold 500k like arc, which it wont, it wouldnt make any money because they spent more on marathon than rockstar has spent on gta6. there are no extraction shooters big enough to justify dumping hundreds of millions of dollars of dev money into.
>>733830775As I said it's more PvP so you will be fighting other people so I suppose as a baseline it is "sweatier" but as there are different level areas of it you will have the super hardcore PvP guys in the higher level areas and then in the lower areas you have people just derping around spraying guns at each other or just doing something silly like trying to grenade jump or whatever.
>>733830535You can queue as a solo Runner, and there's Rook, a shell for low-risk solo queues where you load into in-progress matches to scavenge anything left behind.
Wonder if those oversized "costume additions" gonna count as hitboxes... Models look bulky as fuck. Shotgun-bros will have a field day with this one.
>>733830903That depends on how long it runs for. Over a long enough period of time so long as it stays active and attracting new players/selling stuff to current players then it will eventually make money.
>>733830929Dude it's an extraction shooter.It's not casual fullstop. It's also a "hero shooter" which means shell metafaggotry is gonna immediately tear this game wide open in a week.
>>733830751was there any indication of what the progression is like as a whole? I’m very curious to see how important successful exfil will actually be given the corporate stuff, it kind of seems like bungie is setting people up to expect to extract less than they’d hope, but that the quest rewards and sponsor kits make up for that. for me that’s going to be the thing that really makes or breaks the game outside of match to match variety and pacing, and the main thing I think might keep more casual players from getting filtered too hard. since the game seems super build oriented I’m both wary and excited about the prospect of heavy ratting, as long as it’s not crazy difficult to get a setup that suits your playstyle back. I’m cautiously enthusiastic that there seems to be a lot of toys to both encourage and counter rats.>>733830772based
>>733830995sony execs dont think longterm when you spend billions on bungie, destiny 2 is dead, and 3 is still years off
>>733827678I don't care about this game at all. Don't care if it fails or succeeds. >then why are you hereI just check in on every new game to see what's new.
>>733831028It’s already going to attract the autistic min-maxing Comp D2 players. That’s going to do more harm to the game long term than Bungie ever could, especially their favorite term to use is>LOL GO BACK TO UR ARC RAIDERS HUGBOXAnd the new players Bungie attracts will undoubtedly do so, leaving Marathon to slowly bleed out and have the same problem D2 has.
>>733830995>If I buy a sack of shit for 1000 dollars and I sell each piece of shit for a cent a week I will make a profit in about 2000 years!there is a reason Jews say "Time is Money" retarded tranny
>>733831028I don't think I would call it a hero shooter. It's not Overwatch or anything like that. It has classes like Battlefield or Borderlands that fulfil a role rather than dozens of characters that can fill a role. As for it not being casual that would depend how casual you would say something like Halo is. Halo has plenty of people who played and enjoyed it hardcore or not.
>>733819603>So basically one wrong move and the hype bubble explodesnah, battlefield 2042 had terrible test servers before launch, and yet it still sold well and was played a lot in the first few weeksthe difference is that battlefield released good trailers, even though the game was meh, and Marathon didn'thttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WomAGoEh-Sshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQYhuKvynKI
>>733831189Yeah if I was Bungie I would immediately pivot and try to cater to PvE players. Because I'm already seeing hardcore autists ready to filter all the potentil casuals this game can get.>>733831293LMAO you did not just compare peak casual Halo to fucking Marathon.
>>733831379Well there you go then. Halo was entirely PvP unless you count co-op and you could absolutely have some casual fun in it rather than take it super serious all the time.
>>733831071progression was three prongedfactions - progressing a faction unlocks more and more of their blackmarket shop, where you can buy guns, ammo, backpacks ect, each faction specializes in different things so you buy different shit from each faction, they also offer a few free kits per day per faction, and then a heavily discounted bundle kit, also you can unlock larger and larger stashes factions part 2 - i dont remember exactly how you gained progress whether through match xp or faction rep, but there is a talent tree of sorts for each faction, each faction again has different specialties for their tree, for example the arachne faction had a set of talents that significantly buffed your knife and gave it lifesteal battlepass - i believe you do not need to pay for this and it comes baked in as a little cosmetics reward system, you have like daily challenge things that give "silk" which can be spent here to unlock cosmetics codex - lore dump stuff with some cosmetic rewards as well, earned from exploring + killing certain enemies i also only really played void so if you play like recon you probably wont care about rats bc you can just scan them. but im a serious camper and would literally sit at a POI for like 20 mins at a time waiting so im biased for that playstyle lol.
i like the setting and lore but fuckin extraction shooters are gay unless they lean heavily onto pve
I really want Marathon to fail spectacularly for the shit and giggle. I'm so evil bros...
>>733831220ask me how i know your credit score is below 500
>>733831468By its very nature extraction shooters are not casual. Do you just not get it. Even in the most casual LARP sessions Tarkov players know how close they can get losing everything. Arc Raiders for all its casual pandering still has moments where the hardcores and casuals buttheads.Halo is as casual as mid 00s Counter Strike. Meaning extremely low stakes fast paced in and out fun. That is not what Marathon is.
>>733824814>>733825317>>733830249The fact that a single player game costing €60 sells more than one costing €35 does not bode well for its future prospects.Helldivers 2 was number one in sales in the United States and number nine globally, pic rel, and costs more than Marathon
>>733828170>literally no one on /v/ cares about this game except for thembut I see that most of reddit is interested in and defends the game
>>733831584Well that's just it, high stakes vs low stakes. The high level areas are high stakes - lots of potential rewards as well as a lot of good players completing over them and then the low level areas are low stakes with less rewards but also people not so hyper focused on gaining it with more relaxed play because you have less to lose.
>>733831584The other problem too is that unlike Arc Raiders or Hunt Showdown, Marathon has plans for seasonal resets like CoD DMZ. On one hand this could make it so everyone is on an equal playing field, but on the other hand this is just as likely to turn away players when all the loot they gained during the raid activities end up getting wiped. Really they just messed up by making nuMarathon as just an extraction shooter, instead of adding a single player campaign ala Halo/OG Marathon, with a traditional death match component on smaller maps just to blow off steam. The best part is that they can still reuse the assets from the Extraction mode maps to quickly stitch it together.
>>733831716Extraction shooters are ALWAYS high stakes. That's the entire appeal of the genre.And since we know Marathon isn't gonna copy Arc Raider's babby queue, it's not gonna be casual.
>>733830785what changed to warrent this
>>733831752No they have stakes but they are not always high. Just like in poker you can play for bottlecaps or pocket change or massive stacks of money.
>>733831752see>>733831620
>>733831786Regardless of how low your investments can go in each run, that still means at a base level Marathon will never be as casual as Halo. Which is my entire point.
Damn, Halo catching strays out here lmao
>>733831841The overarching point being made though was that Marathon would not have any sort of casual engagement at all which I don't think is true. At the very least there will be a separation of skill levels which should mean that less skilled players can still have fun in their area without constantly getting seal clubbed by the more skilled ones.
>>733831921/hg/ have suffered a billion 9/11s since Halo Infinite's reveal
>halo was casualthis has to be a jest because my lobbies never were.
>>733831752>not gonna be casualYou just raise the starting point the more you play. You are never truly resetting back to 0. It'll be seasonal, but still.
>>733831951But that's casual in the context of an extraction shooter. Which means it's a player willing to methodically trudge through an expansive map collecting doodads and being fine with losing everything they have when they die.It is by definition hardcore and Arc only got away with it because it literally has daycare queue.
>>733832067Ultimately the point is to escape with the loot not actually kill everybody. Sure you can steal people's loot that way but if you don't make it to the exit it doesn't matter. If you are less skilled in a fight you might be better at simply not being found.
I wonder what their stance will be when it comes to earning currency just by playing, in the long term. Will it be generous and permissive with mods like Helldivers 2, or punitive like Arc Riders?
>seasonal resetsthis isnt for casuals you retards kek
>>733791712The amount of fatigue Bungie has garnered has doomed the franchise. Bungies writing, how they treat thge community, how they talk, how they function, their pipeline, how they develop, how they concept, everything. It's not even about quality, talent, hard work, or decision making at this point. Even if their failure means the collapse of western hardware and gaming markets. Even if I want a good game. This studio (Bungie) has royally fucked the pooch so unbelievably bad & it's the executive and C suites fault.
>>733832336Seasonal resets ARE for casuals. It means nobody stays on top of the foodchain, it means theres fresh restarts, it means onboarding is easier.>>733832305I don't think I've heard anyone call HD2 generous
>>733791712test
>>733832341I think you underestimate how short consumer memories are. Nobody remembers the stolen art or the shitshow that was the last alpha test not under NDA or the fact that this game has missed every release window for the last 3 years even before 2025.
>>733832437What did you do anon?
GUYS anyone feel like the vibe is shifting i'm getting scared what if MARATHON IS A HUGE SUCCESS
>>733832541You honestly think Bungie has been fucking over their fans for that short of a time span? That's only recently and you disprove your own point by pointing it out. I didn';t even need to mention it and you know. You do not comprehend the shear amount of assfucking this company is headed for due to how long they've been pulling this shit. This recent stuff? It's only because they have gotten so sloppy that they were caught fucking STEALING ART.
>>733832632Yeah I'm calling it. We lost....
all anti-Marathon shilling is Tencent wumaos btw
>>733791712It won't be a concord level flop but it will fail to meet profit goals and likely fail to break even. The ultimate fate is marathon as a franchise is shelved for another 30 years.
>>733832846Theyre gonna hard pivot and try to make a PvE only coop campaign
what if marathon is great and we miss out by being racist chuds? maybe we should just play marathon guys.. the test is tomorrow we can play marathon tomorrow with all our favorite streamers
>>733832901no they won't, that's retarded, give it up unc you're not getting another marathon campaign
>>733832632I'll screencap this for the delulu/shill montage after nu-Marathon coils up a huge turd on the chest of chad Sony. The collected tears of nu-Marathon devs will fill at least a Mega-pint, so much is clear.
>>733832901Maybe not on launch but longer term it might be nice to have different game modes. A co-op PvP mode, a Halo style battle arena, King of the Hill, and whatever else they might dream up.
Why /v/ is so negative about this game anyways
>>733832979>A co-op PvP modePvE even.
>>733833013it's an anti-shill campaign by bungie's enemies /v/ is actually really hyped for marathon
>>733833046Were all gonna have a blast!
>>733832791i still havent gotten my 50cents yet
>>733832929We're not going to help you guys to artificially inflate your abysmal player count numbers tho. I rather play fun, non-bloat games like Skogdal or Inscryption. These are games I like: lean and passionate devs and games that are filled to the brim with Sovl.
>>733833046I'm convinced there is a shill campaign going on to try to pretend there is an anti shill campaign. It is absurd to think something that has been mired in as many issues, something that doesn't even remotely resemble it's namesake, something as fucking ugly as numarathon has much if any organic support.
>>733833170>the kvetching of an old-marathoner brings this nu-marathoner sustenance:)
so... uh......... marathonGODs? where is the come back?
>>733833224whoops I forgot to scrolldown!
>>733833224It's at #11 right now right behind Mewgenics.
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I'm excited to try it tomorrow. I haven't cared about any extraction shooter before now and I fucking hated that this had the Marathon name attached to it when it was first announced, but those videos they released a while ago about their vision behind the game and explaining all the classes got me interested. That Drewski video made it look really fun as well. Got a bunch of friends saying they're gonna try it out this weekend so we'll be doing rotating groups. I'm still not convinced that I'm going to like it, but I'm gonna give it a try and see how it goes
>>733833289uhh blastsisters...?
>>733833298>checking the daily top sales instead of weeklycome on, even Veilguard got #2 on the weekly.
>>733822604Half the games you listed there don't even crack 10k now. One of those games is completely dead too. Also>Delta ForceLMAO. Might as well put DMZ from MWII in there as well.
>>733833405https://store.steampowered.com/charts/topselling/global#11 up from 20 odd yesterday.
>>733833013It's live service GAAS shit flopping left and right and for good reason. it sucks away resources that could have been used to make real games and not friendslop shit.
>>733833457aww look who has no friends
>>733833224do you live in indian you little freak? its #10 in the USA with like 8 days to go
>>733833556Check the date. That 's from the 24th.
>>733833013Reinventing dead properties with no one involved who worked on the originals never produces quality. I don't need to play it, I don't even need to see it to know it will be shit.
The contract stuff is great. Although I think it’s the spooky music that sells it all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWnU3qtJzL8
>>733791712The internet already decided this game has the ick so it's basically over.
>Live service extraction shooter with "modern" aestheticsShit's doomed
>>733833170THERE IS NO SHILL CAMPAIGN this is all organic 100% natty hype for marathon because it's about to blow your freakin mind with the SERVER SLAM EVENT happening tomorrow
>>733833626Actually, there’s a few core marathon original people involved. There’s even guys from Halo 3 and ODST here.
>>733792038so did Battlefield 6 but everyone has dropped it. The fact is this AAA is going to pump and dump so everyone is looking on waiting for the game to be good or not. Meanwhile we had hits like Arc Raiders that came out of nowhere and has already filled in the power gap. There is no room for Marathon in the current FPS ecosystem.
>Marathon has to sell 4-5 million copies to break even from its reported budget>mewgenics which is top 3 for weeks just hit 1 million units soldYeah bungie is fucked
all v ever does is lose
>>733833771BF6 was #2 top seller 2 weeks before release.Marathon achieved #86 top seller.
>>733833819Steamdb is more accurate, seriously everyone needs to use it
>>733833846Wrong screenshot.
>>733833812mewgenics is a no graphics cat game for nerds marathon is going to be huge
>>733833901Steam best seller is based upon revenue, for ever 1 copy of marathon sold mewgenics would have to sell at least 2 to be above it in the best sellers list. Considering marathon was around 50-100 in the list while mewgenics was at number 2 means mewgenics was selling hundreds if not thousands of copies for every single 1 copy marathon sold, and it literally JUST hit a million copies sold
>>733832431Read the spoiler, but anyway, you can get 30sc to 100sc per game, a warbond costs 1000 and that give you 300, so it's not that bad, the problem is that they are adding too many warbonds in a row and the grind is worse, that's where mods help, and you don't get penalized for doing that. The other day I read that Arc Riders was punishing accounts that abused exploits within the gameThat's what my question was about, because just like these two games, at some point in Marathon you'll have to decide whether you want to put more money into the game or not, and I think most people won't want to because they already paid for the game
So is it going to be successful or "successful" like alan wake 2. Where we don't learn if it even made money back until a year after launch
