Could this be the beginning of the end?
>>733813358You can bet on how many victims of school shootings there will be, and this is the focus?
>>733813358My filters got borked again. Thanks for reminding me to filter [_____ news] threads. Appreciate it.
Deadlocker bros... How will we monetize our game now
Hopefully CS2 gets shut down and mass Russian and Chinese suicides ensue.
>>733813358few days after Valve btfo'd the rothschilds in court. hmm, interesting.
>>733813358@grok show me if Letitia James made any effort to stop fent being on the streets of new york
>>733813358>wins court case against Rothschilds >this BS pops upThey must have the most chapped asses over not being able to control valve, and thus not able to control PC video games monetarily or the narratives in games.
>>733813358anytime THEY want to sue someone on behalf of wall street it always comes from that same NY district - punishment for valve for being private and not having a board/committee that can push ESG/DEI mandates on it and give blackrock and vanguard a cut of the business.
I hope the good guys win (New York)
>>733814573This. Also when black myth wukong released on steam and had like 800k reviews on it they realized how big the market really was and ever since then there has been special attention on steam/valve - basically any neutral or non-propagandized marketplace where they can't gaslight their consumers is anti-semitic
>>733813358> your company must be controlled by blackrock or else
>>733813358>become a public company or else
He's cooked
>fat ugly niggerbitch says something stupidwow!
>>733813358Is sports betting next?
>>733813358Good. Gambling is a scam.
>YOU VILL NOT EMBARRASS ZE ROTH DYNASTY
>>733815017Sports betting pays their new york tolls.
>>733815017Why would you ask for something so antisemitic?
If they win this case they'll have to go after all gacha games on pc and mobile. This is a good thing
>>733813435disgusting nigger
>>733815213It is not based when its an obvious retaliation for Valve winning against one of the biggest Js in the world
>>733815306Jesus?
>>733813358This sounds like a good thing? Valve can just make games without defacto gambling.
>>733815241i dont care what you guys say, this must be hell to live with
>>733815621If tourettes is the opposite of what people actually want to say, then a 4channer with tourettes wouldn't say nigger, he'd say "I LOVE BLACKS"
>>733813358It's over.... a powerful black wom*n will destroy valve
>>733813435That's your xitter right, why else would you post about someone else posting about OPs xitter post? Fuck off
>>733815712>If tourettes is the opposite of what people actually want to sayit's not, that's just the damage control. It's about losing the ability to filter yourself, which is why it garnered the stigma of being swears and nigger words (things people love to say)
>>733815509They already can use other less dubious ways to make a profit already. Lootboxes could be banned and they’d still be ridiculously profitable.
If this actually succeded, then the entire games industry would be fucked lmao. All the top money makers rely on gambling mechanics. From Gacha to sports slop.
>>733816240And that is a good thing
Even the biggest discord trannies whose entire personalities revolve around their steam accounts must see that loot boxes being banned would be a good thing
>/v/ hates gambling in video games>defend the biggest gambling video game companyI dont get it
>>733816296But the jews can't win!
>>733813358They're not gonna let gabe get away with beating a rothschild in court are they?
hop on deadlock
>>733815712It's not, unfortunately. It's not really "pro" or "con" at all. It's just whatever. Someone with tourettes is just as likely to mouth off "butterstanknuggets!" as nigger or kike, depending on what's floating around in their brain flotsom. None of us really know for sure what kinda stuff is in the back of our heads just out of conscious thought.Fuck, tourettes isn't even just verbal. It's some weird shit, man. Imagine going through your entire life with a literally irresistable need to sharply jerk your head to the side while making a goose honk, either completely at random, or triggered by certain things like smelling somebody's perfume.I think after enough of that, I'd rather just hero out.
>>733813358Why not go after scumbag crypto casino companies like stake first These kikes seeth so much valve is not a public company and make them look bad. Your company could have been as stable profitable and effective as valve. Instead you did an IPO and sold your soul to kikes for a few pennies. LIES LIES LIES JEWS ARE GOOD FOR COMPANIES REEEEEEEEEE WHY WONT NONE OF THESE LOLSUITS WORK AGAINST VALVE THIS IS NOT FAIR BANNNN THIS COMPANY
Apparently this is the account she used for investigation https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199720103970
>>733815017Sports betting is regulated and pays tax. Valve appears to be running what is effectively a casino without paying tax on the goods. Thus the lawsuit alleging illegal gambling.
>>733816303It's almost as if context is important.
>>733816270I'm not saying it's a bad thing. I don't partake in lootboxes anyway.
>>733816380my body shudders after i pee
>>733813428How do you set up these filters?
>>733813358>>733813435Retarded nigger thinks Valve will pay her to fuck off, she doesn't know Gaben will tell her to fuck off and proceed to win if they get sued
>block all payments for new yorkers temporarily>blame the stupid bitch>watch her cave under pressure
>>733815621Must really suck to have during a date or a job interview. Just random calling your date a nigger out of no where. lol
>>733816303Steam deserves to be fucked for loot boxes, they are garbage
>>733816621I wish a company would do something like this to a country or state for once, it'd be funny to see what would happen.
>>733813435Skins. That's how. The same as all these f2p games monetize.
>>733816443Yeah, I think they kinda fucked up on this part.They used to require your SSN for tax purposes, if you made 200 or 300 trades or more a year on the community market, but at some point they stopped collecting any information, and just kinda threw up their hands and went "ok, on you to self report."
I'M NOTICING AAAAAAAAAAA
I'm guessing that Valve will probably be forced to eventually close the Steam marketplace to items from loot boxes, as that probably meets the definition of gambling in a lot of jurisdictions even if traditional loot boxes don't.
>Valve already makes a ton of money from 30% cut from the store>they still put in gambling in all their gamesYou could delete all the gambling and Valve will still be insanely rich except they wont be exploiting people anymore. Isnt this a good thing?
>>733813358You know if they win it'll affect Sony more than anything, right?You might think I'm joking but that's the platform for kids that has the most gacha games as well as the most popular platform for Fortnite.
>>733816754It's not like they're fucking subtle. Expect some more blatant lawfare with valve winning a case against a rothschild patent troll.
>>733813358>gambling is illegal in New York without permissionThen just block Steam in New York. Problem solved.
>>733816664A bunch of corporations shut down operations in Russia in response to the invasion of Ukraine.
>>733816823It won't be enforced against a company like sony. The intent of a system is what it does.
>>733813358>just give lawyers millions of bucks, that will save the children!if they truly wanted to save them, they'd be hard at work getting gachashit/lootboxes, microtransactions, and live-service slop banned
>>733816419>10 hours on TF2>has a KS kit in inventoryDoes that mean she played MvM mann up?
>>733816625>can call your date a whore and blame it on tourettesSounds like fun
>be New York attormey general>there are mountains of evidence of Epstein and Trump engaging in human trafficking of children>let's sue the game company instead
>>733816794If gambling itself is bad, instead of just kids gambling being bad, then you need to get rid of sports betting first (lmao).>verification not requiredd
>>733813358in dota 2, when you buy a chest, you always get an item that you haven't gotten yet (randomly), with a small chance to get a super rare skin. Is that gambling/unlawful in new york?
>>733816823>You know if they win it'll affect Sony more than anything, right?This lawsuit isn't related to that, since its bringing charges that require some kind of value as the payout. It has nothing to do with any other gacha that you can't also sell the items for value.
>>733816240Gaming is over, you vill consume the AIslop instead.
>>733816961>do X firstnot an argument. you're basically arguing that cops should let shoplifters go until they catch all bank robbers
>>733816947Bro the epstein files are out, you dont need to keep lying about Trump being complicit when he's the one who got epstein arrested in the first place.
>>733813358GoodAbout time a Hero destroy Valve's monopoly
>>733817076It is an argument because sports betting is infinitely more prolific and damaging lmao.The pre-seethe + damage control hypocrisy is amazing.
>>733817039That isn't, where it potentially becomes unlawful gambling is if you can sell that super rare skin for something of value.
>>733817107They redacted tons of shit, hiding even more. Also Trump called after Epstein was arrested, he didn't do shit. He raped kids bro just stop embarrassing yourself
I don't see how Valve is doing anything TCG/sports cards haven't done for nearly 100 years
>>733813358The Rothschilds REALLY didn't like losing to Valve, did they.
>>733817107They haven't released half of the 6 million files over "National security concerns" lmao.
>>733817191They aren't. This is a targeted lawsuit.
>>733817107lol
>>733813435tf2iggers, we’re still relevant!
Nope, it's more ME SON DIED IN COLUMBINE boomer cancerJust after Valve BTFO'd the Rothschilds no less.
>>733817076Why do cops go after shoplifters but do nothing about the Khazarian mafia?
>>733817261We never stopped being relevant.All the hero shooters just wish we were.
>>733817275every tranny shooter of the last ten years had a steam account
>>733817191The biggest obvious difference is Valve set up a market place that gives them direct value, which TCGs have intentionally avoided doing to pretend that everything the release has the same value. Valve will randomly give you an item that is pegged at $350 in their store, and you can sell there with Valve getting their cut.
>>733816625If a girl did this to me, I'd laugh my ass off and ask her when are we fuckin
>>733817275Someone should show this nigger some mobile gacha games
>>733816904>The intent of a system is what it does.Yeah, and the intent of the ps5 is to target children.
>>733817275Attorneys can and will bring up tons up irrelevant bullshit in these lawsuits. The only stuff that matters is towards the end where it actually lists what Valve is getting sued for.>VIOLATIONS OF ARTICLE I, SECTION 9 OF NEW YORK’S CONSTITUTION>PROMOTING GAMBLING IN THE SECOND DEGREE>PROMOTING GAMBLING IN THE FIRST DEGREE
>>733814573Yep, also Valve making every other industry look bad by providing a FREE service with new features constantly being introduced without any kind of paywalls. You just know they're seething they can't offer subscription tiers just to log in to Steam, use the forums etc.
>>733817186Wow you really didnt read the epstein files if you believe this lmao
>>733817470I thought the intent was to target men and help them become better men
>>733817390Valve isn't deciding the value of items, it's the players deciding what something is worth, just like card games
>>733817275Well, there it is.
>>733817529There's a reason a solid chunk of their games feature children.
>>733817582Because men need to get comfortable with the idea of raising another man's child.
>>733817390>in their storeSuch as? The community market is not their store in the same sense an actual store is, you can't spend 500USD on an AWP directly from Valve in the menus. Its all through keys/crates.
>>7338165594chan Gold membership.
>>733815621I've been around people with it, most of them just have weird forced muscle movement, like being forced to snap their fingers a few times. A few did yell out random things though. lol
>>733817275If their brains aren't fully formed they can't pick their "gender" either, right? Ah no, in that case we'll chop their dick and call them Shirley.They're just mad Valve won't go public for Shlomo and Goldberg.
>>733816621>valve no longer collects taxes for NY>the governor xirself kicks this bitch in the cunt
i'm sure this is a coincidence
>>733813358>shiiiiiieeet this company made bank and that's why I'm suingOkay good luck, don't cry if you lose and get counter sued.
there is literally no defense for lootboxes and threads like these only prove that valve has tons of fanboys who will defend anything valve does.
Oh look another rothschild attack dog.
>>733813358hasnt Valve won every lawsuit?
>>733816621>>733817791I think Valve has pissed enough jews off already. Better to not kick the hornet's nest.But yeah they should totally do that.
>>733813358>valuable prizesgood luck proving that. a black market valve has no control over won't count
>>733817948you lost rothschild
>>733817948I hate lootboxes but I hate jews more
>>733817948You buy stocks, you have no room to speak
>>733813358>and protect new Yorkersand there's the angle, it's not about protecting people it's about public perception. if this was actually to protect people she would've gone nationwide
>>733817991This lawsuit seems to have a better shot than most, just because its reasonable a judge might agree this is just a casino with a workaround. The fact that you can put in $100, get lucky and get skins worth $700, and buy a Steam Deck, the sell that for a profit would probably be pretty compelling evidence of gambling to random judge or jury.
>>733818041>78. Steam users also can readily convert virtual items to cash by purchasing Steam hardware and then reselling it off platform. Indeed, an OAG investigator did so, converting a Counter-Strike skin called a “Stiletto Knife” to $180 by: (a) selling the skin on the Steam Community Market for Steam Wallet funds, (b) using the Steam Wallet funds received from the sale of the skin to purchase a Steam Deck, and (c) selling the Steam Deck for $180 in cash at a store that buys and sells electronics.They seem to have proven it.
>EA, Ubisoft, Microsoft, Roblox, Fortnite all get away with shilling gambling and microtransactions to children for years>target Valve out of all companies for gambling
>>733817521Post nose.
>>733818169dear God, will they go after Dave and busters next?
>>733813358>valuable
>>733817948Crates were annoying in TF2 but they are easy to ignore.
Democrats should all be shot.
>>733817275Funny how Valve is being sued for everything EXCEPT anime games, and yet those are the only things Valve actually moderates (albeit, haphazardly).
>>733816794I'm good with itThe only ones hurt by this are the people who run betting sites and thirdies
>>733818041Steam Deck can be brought with just CS2 weapon skins, no purchase needed. That itself is worth $500 dollars of resell value.
>>733818169How is that different from selling Yu-Gi-Oh cards?
>>733818327Arcades usually have an exception in law or some kind of exception by being "games of skill". After all those arcades and Chuck e Cheese have existed for decades and states needed to figure out how to handle them. When its a game a skill type requirement, there is the occasional legal issue that comes up over something like crane games that are bullshit and effectively "games of chance" because of being set in a way you often can't actually win unless you are lucky and the claw game decided to have some actual grip.
>>733818251>it's only gambling if you can get a real money payout>i.e. gambling your savings away is a-ok as long as you get no cash backI fucking hate you faggots
>>733813358>>733813435>Letitia Jamesso glad my shithole of a state gets to prove it's just as retarded as California again
>>733813358Lemme guess is Timmy funding this one too?
>>733817684I'm just a retard, pls spoonfeed. I only know how to filter by exact matches, is there a way to do it for good/bad/sad etc or do I have to put them in manually
>>733817275I LOVE the idea of unhinged steam haters will have to agree with thisThey are THAT desperate for any kind of win
>>733815621>i dont care what you guys say, this must be hell to live withYeah it's awful. They're so loud. They litter all over the place. There's more crime and shootings. Your property values go down.
>>733813435>Letitia JamesAh this grifter again.
sue wizards of the coast too because I can open up an entire standard set and redeem them for real cards on mtgo to sell to a card shop.
>>733818384They were sued for breaking Australia refund. They got sued for breaking patent laws. They got sued by EU for GEO-Lock. They are sued for antitrust. Valve has lost in all these awful lawsuits they caused to themselves.They’re not the good guys.
>>733818491Last time I went to Dave and Busters for my younger brother's birthday over half of the games for kids were slot like games of chance running on shitty mobile game software. It was actually pretty depressing.
>>733818251>buy a pack of pokemon cards>get super rare pikachu>sell it for $500What now?
>>733818251sounds completely made up and not even proven anyways
>>733813358To protect New Yorkers, you should nuke New York. A country of apes.
>>733818482Frankly the difference is the government gave up that fight decades ago, while this is a hot button issue and Valve's setup seems like it may violate the letter of the law of New York (and other states) relatively broad gambling laws that had to deal with plenty of other workarounds over the years.
>>733818525nah, this one's all New York retardationprobably saw that Europe was doing it and wanted to feel cultured
>>733818638>They got sued for breaking patent lawAre you talking about the Rothschild case?Cause Valve sued them and won
>>733818169>This lawsuit seems to have a better shot than most, just because its reasonable a judge might agree this is just a casino with a workaroundanon it's literally the pachinko parlor modus operandi>buy metal balls with cash (consideration)>risk balls in a game of chance (chance)>earn more balls if you're successful (prize)that's gambling. exchanging the balls for prizes and reselling them for cash is just the icing on top
>>733813358>Valve will be forced to remove gacha shit from its platformThis is a good thing though?
they should just move valvehq to gabe's boat
>>733818645Also almost all are cheating machines with code to avoid winning at a certain amount. YouTubers tried everything, including cheating with machines themselves and it’s cheating to profit off you.
>>733818650>buy a pack of pokemon cards>get super rare pikachu>sell it for $500>sued by Attorney General of Jew York>jailed for owning valuable trading cardsWhat now?
>>733813358>Valve is getting suedSigh, fucking bori->for being the leader in gaming gamblingHOLY BASED
>>733813358Could it be more obvious that it's retaliation from the Rothschilds over losing to Valve in a case recently? There's plenty of predatory video game practices from plenty of companies they could have gone after for YEARS, but didn't. They're just using it as an excuse to slap Steam for not bending the knee. If they actually gave a fuck about "the kids" they'd be suing almost every AAA publisher/developer out there.
>>733818797No just lootboxThat or remove the marketplace/trading or crackdown on the gambling sites
>>733813358They seem rather quiet about the politicians raping children
>>733818778Wrong one idiot, the gaming controller that United States people voted against Valve because it was found that they did steal it: https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/ruling-upheld-against-valve-in-steam-controller-patent-case
>>733818828and valve is somehow the bad guy here when Dave and Busters operates fully unrestricted in New York?
>>733818797If Valve were to lose they wouldn't need to remove gacha shit in general, just deal with their own system. This lawsuit is dependent on there being a payout that is actually worth something. So it would affect CSGO loot boxes, not Blue Archive since girls in swimsuits don't have real world physical value. Could some later lawsuit come along trying to say that even if its against the ToS you could sell the account? Perhaps, but it would be a different legal issue.
Valve is pretty fucked because of the market where you can liquidate your winnings immediately into it's cash equivalent. Store credit is already considered taxable income, this is why even winning stuff like gift cards at a store always comes with a million fine print and 'no purchase necessary'.
>>733818552Are you describing men in general?
>>733813358Fine by me. I don't support gambling.
>>733818491Tons of arcade games are pure luck.
>>733818712>Frankly the difference is the government gave up that fight decades agoI didn't knew this. Why did they gave up?
>>733813358Lol, the rothschild faggot is PISSED that he lost, huh?
>>733819030>if I don't support it nobody should have itScrew off mate
>>733813358Lol she isnt wrong at all people are money laundering/gambling on cs2 but its also clear that someone has put a battery in her back to do this but i could be wrong about that
>>733813358>gambling outside of casinos is illegal>re-name illegal thing to prediction making>illegal thing is now legal AND unregulated->gambling in video games is illegal>re-name illegal thing to surprise mechanics>illegal thing is now legal AND unregulated->selling THC is illegal>re-name illegal thing to THCA>illegal thing is now legal AND unregulatedValve will win and the sheboon will lose just like how the whole entirety of the United Kingdom lost to EA over this exact same thing.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZqkyMuxM98
>>733819104You're projecting.
>>733818957>The patent it's been ruled Valve have infringed relates to buttons on the back of the controller designed to be used by the user's middle finger. SCUF Gaming make serveral controllers which have buttons in those positionsWhy is shit like this even able to be patented?
>win lawsuit against the Rothschilds>AG sues ValveReally maeks me think
>>733818913>remove the marketplace/tradingproblem is there's no point in buying keys or hoarding cases if you can't trade
>>733818995>Store credit is already considered taxable incomeYou convert real money into Valve's fun bucks. That's when the tax comes in.
>>733818978>play mobile gacha>pull every character>sell accountWhat now, faggot?
>>733813358>beat the Rothchilds in court>they sic some loser plant puppet on youThis is just getting sad at this point.
card games are gambling too. this has been known for decades. here's an article from all the way back in fucking 2001 that explains why TCGs are gambling.https://articles.starcitygames.com/articles/why-wizards-is-an-evil-evil-corporation/
>>733818540unironically try asking Grok or ChatGPT
>>733817275more like>young users with limited funds can be enticed to start gambling through loot boxes in the hopes of obtaining a virtual item that they believe will earn them a profit through third party sellers
>>733819285for >>733818650
>>733819285>what is the secondary marketI can pay for what I want. I don't have to gamble.
>>733818638I feel like everyone conveniently forgot that Valve only added refunds because they got sued and lost.
>>733819231True but it's what gets used for the gambling sites so it would put a stop to it, granted that's just a way to handle it.
>>733819345why doesn't the manufacturer sell cards directly?why are some cards rarer than others? why isn't every card the same rarity? why do chase cards exist? why is short printing even a thing?>secondary marketexists precisely because people open packs hoping to get rare cards to sell
>>733819242No the tax is when you use that to buy a game, just like any gift card. If you load $10 onto your steam account it's just $10. When you spend $5 on a game and they charge $5.41 that's when the tax goes out. Valve used to straight up give 1099s to users who made over a certain amount on the market.
>>733818865Good, Gambling should be outlawed, gambling should only apply for the viability of business on any other aspect exchange of money and/or services for gambling should put your ass in jail.
>>733819285Counterpoint to that incredibly retarded analogy:>you aren't forced to buy that marker brand
>>733819501wizards does now https://secretlair.wizards.com/us/en
>>733819517TCG is LITERALLY gambling, if something I would say that TCG is the father/Grandfather of lootboxes.
>>733818650>put it on sale for 500>nobody buys>sell it for 20 and see it resold for 500 but backed by a popular store or auction house
>>733819636skill issue
>>733818638Lol 100% valve is grimy as fuck but they made tf2 dota 2 and cs so they get a pass shit i give them a pass myself
>>733813358they gonna sue all the TCG companies too?actually please do wizards of the coast needs to die
>>733813435if this is gambling so is trading card booster packs. guess pokemon company is up next? we'll see how well that goes.
>>733818540not the same anon you're talking to but/\[\s*\w+\s+news\s*\]/i;boards:v;op:onlyput that in the "subject" filterthis should filter for "[good news]", "[ bad news ]" etc etcyou can make the brackets optional by putting a "?" after them, like \[?
>>733813358can't go for the prediction market
>>733813435>Rothschilds loses the fucking court battle>jews begin to sick thier dogs on Valve.here we go boys the real battle for everyones souls begins.
>"the court will now hear opening remarks from the defense">lights are dimmed>projector lights up the wall>Hazardous Environments begins to play>"ladies and gentlemen of the court...">prosecution starts shitting and pissing everywhere"we're happy to announce...">crowd rushes the railing>judge slams gavel and barks for order in the court>"half life 3">case dismissed with prejudice
>How to unlock weapons in Call of Duty 4 (2007)Play the game, and when you receive XP, you unlock content from the game.>How to unlock items in TF2 (since 2010)Pay $2 for a weapon, or $2.50 for a lootbox.Why do people dicksuck Valve again. The Mann Co. update was the abject death of gaming.
>>733819608Yet the article doesn't explain why it's gambling. It just explains that the artist is a retard that somehow is forced to buy that marker brand.Oh and by the way, markers are THAT fucking expensive. At least the ones used by the pros. And yes, you are forced to buy kits that have a bunch of markers that you don't need in order to have a proper palette.And during decades, the only brand that was used for professional work was Copic and we would trade different markers for that exact reason. Hell, even now that Copic has competitors, the complete set is still work almost 3k usd.So yeah, it's a completely retarded analogy
>>733816380Some people actually scream their debit pin numbers and its a problem for them
>>733813358PffffthahahahaValve: "I am the juggernaut bitch, do you know who I am?"
>>733817076Sports betting would be comparable to the shoplifter in your example during the beginning of its spontaneous legalization campaign (around early-mid 2018) during the pandemic. There was ample opportunity to put it down, but opposition was anemic to the point that sports betting became a "legal" billion dollar industry in just a few years, completing its transformation to the bank robber you're describing it as nowadays.>you're basically arguing that cops should let shoplifters go until they catch all bank robbersWhy do you think the US government failed to quash the movement to legalize sports betting before it festered to the point it has? Incompetency? Corruption? Do you still want to use your example in the first place?
>>733819904Arent tf2 lootboxes just goofy hats? Also FIFA was the one who popularized lootboxes and that was mainly because the items they dropped were actual players that could affect gameplay rather than skins.
>>733819904You can also get items as random drops as you play unless they changed that>t. hasn't played in like 8 years
>>733816380Isn't it because we have mechanisms that repress our inner voice because we know that something that we think is bad so we don't say it, but the brains of people with tourettes work the opposite way, so that repressed inner voice gets blurted out?
>>733813358I have nothing against Valve but I'm glad this is happening, fuck all forms of online gamblings.I don't even hate gambling so much as I hate the hypocrisy of places like Steam and Youtube censoring content for advertisers but under the guise of "protecting kids", while they turn around and sell kids on gambling. Every other fucking ad on Youtube for me (on the rare occasion I use my phone instead of my adblock PC) is for some gambling site, it's out of hand.
>>733819848Underrated.
>>733819904CoD system is equally nefarious.
>>733820218I used to play a cracked version of TF2 back when it was paid (it was a steam crack that allowed you to play any source game for free, forgot the name) and even in that cracked version I got item drops lmaoGetting those drops was what made me pay for the game, actually.
>>733818384Valve moderates anime games because thats what CC processors go after the hardest.
>>733815017Of course not, they are pissed that Valve is privately owned and so can't be manipulated by "shareholders".
>>733820337Payment processors (at least in the states) only care about that when it involves porn, its why when they actually did take action last Summer everything targeted was porn games with titles that violated their policies.
IVE SEEN TWELVE FUCKING ASSORTED DRAFTKING AND POLYMARKET ADS THE PAST DAYCANT EVEN GO TO THE GROCERY WITHOUT SEEING A SPORTBETTING ONE BLASTED AT MY FACEAND TBESE RETARDS GO AFTER VALVE
>>733813358lol this is the same one that said trump was guilty too
>>733820461Draftking is legal, regulated, and taxed.
>>733819184Because patents are a trojan horse in order to make corporations own innovation.When AI generation was all the rage back in 2024, Adobe went to the US congress and demanded that styles should be copyrighted and they propsed using the same technology they use to detect US currency.They argued that in that way, AI wouldn't profit from trained data but everyone knew that it was so big studios which can afford to patent anything would gatekeep the entire creative field.
>>733820538>>733820461draftkings and sportbetting lobbies the fuck out of the governmentthey pay their due as they say
>Targetting valve specificallyYeah if that is your first move, then you don't actually care about the 'problem'. This totally isn't about control guys
>>733819021your comeback is so forced it doesn't even make any sense anymore
>>733820461Stop nooticing
>>733813358nigger bitch
>>733817948Loot boxes are better than battle passes.
pretty weird that this happens a week after news that a Rothschild lost to them in court.
>>733813435That's okay. She will decide to suicide soon.But not soon enough LOL!!!
>>733816303People like >>733816475 pretend that it's somehow different, even though valve literally popularized dogshit mtx slop way more than bethesda ever could have and came up with the whole "let's put gacha in our game" trash
>>733818307Wow a crank call to the FBI that they dismissed, awesome evidence my man
>>733816303I don't like lootboxes, but Steam if easily the most customer friendly storefront on the market. Anyone who wants to mess with that can fuck right off.
>>733820192>Sports betting would be comparable to the shoplifter in your example during the beginning of its spontaneous legalization campaign (around early-mid 2018) during the pandemic. There was ample opportunity to put it down, but opposition was anemicgreat so you agree that we should nip the lootbox problem in the bud right the fuck now before it turns into another "bank robber"
>>733813358>tfw jew yorkerguess i should SELL SELL SELL my tf2 shit now
>>733813358Good luck with that. Even the Rothschilds lost to Gabe.
>>733820887and Valve can continue making money off their 30% cut from selling games instead of gambling? How is this a problem?
>/v/ defending loot boxes just because it's a blue state AG trying to do something about themFucking wild. You guys really are just contrarians, huh?
lol jews are petty af. they lost the case against the patent so seeking a new angle
>>733820951It isn'tSteam itself make a fuck load compared to their lootboxes, so Valve loses a bit but still makes fuck you money yearly anyways.
>>733821013I just want to be able to cash out my skins instead of throwing money into the void for pixels that go nowhere like every other game.
>>733820229>I have nothing against Valve but I'm glad this is happening
>>733821013That AG is a traitor to my nation. Nothing it does is for Good, only Evil.
>>733821013remember when covid came around and people here were all like>ohhh noo the chinese virus noo it's gonna kill us all nooo black swan event nooooo we're all gonna die, if you ignore this you're retarded but the moment the mainstream media picked it up and started the whole wear your mask, get your fauci ouchie song and dance it was suddenly>nooo it's all fake i never said anything about a dangerous chinavirus nooooo it's not real, if you don't ignore this you're retardedi will simply keep on grilling and play video games. it's not like some random nigger attorney is gonna do shit to valve anyway
>>733820951Because this is never about getting loot boxes. It's about whiny faggots in NY crying they don't get to decide what games you play and what movies you watch.
>>733817487Looking at one of them>FIRST CAUSE OF ACTION PURSUANT TO EXECUTIVE LAW § 63(12):>VIOLATIONS OF ARTICLE I, SECTION 9 OF NEW YORK’S CONSTITUTION>146. OAG repeats and realleges paragraphs 1 through 145 and incorporates them by reference herein.>147. Executive Law § 63(12) authorizes OAG to seek injunctive and other equitable relief when any individual or business has engaged in repeated illegal acts or persistent illegality in the carrying on, conducting, or transaction of business.>148. Article I, Section 9 of the New York State Constitution prohibits “lotter[ies] or the sale of lottery tickets, pool-selling, book-making, or any other kind of gambling,” except lotteries operated by the State as may be authorized and prescribed by the legislature, pari-mutuel betting on horse races as may be prescribed by the legislature, casino gambling at a prescribed number of licensed facilities, and bingo and other games of chance conducted by authorized non-profit organizations.>149. Valve has designed and developed software that enables users to risk or stake something of value in exchange for the opportunity to activate a loot box and win a virtual item, the identity of which is determined entirely by chance. The user has no control or influence over the virtual item that is awarded.>150. The virtual items that Valve awards to users have value. They can be sold on the Steam Community Market for funds in the digital Steam Wallet, which can then be used to purchase video game hardware, video games, virtual items, or the privilege of opening more loot boxes. They can also be sold for cash on third-party marketplaces.>151. Valve’s loot boxes do not fall within any of the exceptions to the gambling prohibition set forth in Article I, Section 9 of New York’s Constitution.>152. By engaging in the acts and practices described above, Defendant has acted and continues to act in derogation of Article I, Section 9 of New York’s Constitution.
>>733821013Why is Valve being targeted here and not other forms of gambling, like sports betting or gachas? FGO alone made 7 billion in revenue over the years.
>>733820873https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usPkL2EQPYo
>>733821193Sports betting was targeted by New York for years and only became legal after they beat the knee.
>>733821013I don't give a shit about kids gambling, I do give a shit about me being able to buy the games I want.
>>733821150We were just a few years ahead of the mainstream media
Didn't Valve already nuke the gambling part of this a few months ago?
>>733821189>gambling is only legal in New York if it's approved by the mafia in charge of stateI didn't knew this was the case.
The New Yorkers:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBvJ_W3AB08
>>733821193This law seems like you need to win something of value in the real world to bring a lawsuit, so wouldn't apply to any gacha without a payout mechanism of some kind. Sports betting on the other hand is heavily regulated.
>>733821318That has always been the caseGovernment dont care as long as they get their share of the pie
>>733821189>They can also be sold for cash on third-party marketplaces.How is this relevant to the case? Those third parties are engaging in a crime that goes against Valve's own interests.
>>733821276They fucked with the market but ultimately didn't stop it, just got some people to kill themselves.
>>733821189None of this is different from card games or gacha shit
>>733817250>6 million fileswas it really 6 million tho? that doesn't seem plausible
Outlaw the monetization of random chance. If a game wants to sell you characters, weapons or cosmetics it has to be directly.
>>733819848Announcing HL3 in court would be marketing gold actually.
>>733821369>How is this relevant to the case? Those third parties are engaging in a crime that goes against Valve's own interests.The lawsuit alleges that Valve themselves instructs the users about third party trading sites.
>>733821474You can sell gacha?
Ultimate glitch money, sue others for your incompetence of not having self control. Need to find one as soon as posible. Probably apple.
there are people wanting the government to control steam in this thread lmaoooo
>>733814573This is exactly what it's about. They don't give a shit about stopping child gambling.
>>733821369That's basically how the gambling works for shit like CS2 and the like.While it's against Valve's terms it could be argued as negligence on Valve's part for not going after them as hard as they should
/v/ros...are WE the rats in a cage this whole time??
>>733821339You can sell your gacha game accounts and what you got from the gacha directly effects the price of your account
>>733821545It might even happen for real, for example a lot of info was leaked during the FTC case against Microsoft.
>>733821563Why should you be allowed to brush yourself off once you get tired of gachashit? It actually absurd people are just allowed to dump millions into the ether into skins and shit and if they get tired of the game well whatever lmao money gone.
>>733821559You can use third parties to make trades easier, you are not supposed to use them to trade them for cash.
>>733821474TCG's probably not that different (though Wizards will claim that the value of a pack of 15 cards is each worth 1/15th of the retail value while Valve operates a store where they list stuff for hundreds of dollars, even if they aren't the ones setting the price, which may make a difference). For other gacha titles, the part about having value makes the difference.
>>733821578>it could be argued as negligence on Valve's part for not going after them as hard as they shouldThey go pretty hard against them. Meanwhile Kick is not doing anything about it.Maybe it would be easier if the US government could cooperate with Russia and China.
>>733821559That link would still make you pay on Steam instead of getting paid off platform and just gifting the item on Steam after being paid
>>733821635It's absurd, but it doesn't run afoul of gambling laws that require a potential payout with actual value and would need either different or new laws to address.
>>733813358Not valve's job to babysit people, go sue the companies or something.
>>733813358Didnt the EU or UK try this 5-6 years ago and spectacularly fail?
Isnt this AG really bad at her job?
>>733821654Didn't Valve go nuclear on third party platforms gambling platforms like a decade ago demonstrating they could, then ignored it since? Could hurt them in such a case showing they intentionally ignored it despite having knowledge of it.
>>733813358Wasn't this bitch arrested for fraud?
>>733821798She's also hilariously and blatantly corrupt yes.
hopefully GOG saves us and gives us an alternative to steam anti-anime policies
>>733821587FUKKIN GABE FLIPPIN THE SWITCH BRO FUCK
>>733821798In other situations perhaps, but in this case the laws and allegations are both fairly simple, and its just a matter if judges sees this as gambling or not, and I couldn't guess which way they'll go.
>>733813435none of these games are for childrenshould have aimed to EA who's sports games are actually rated E
>>733821843Don't they already do that?
>>733821798She overreaches but wins, see the NRA case and Trump case. Penalties she sought got knocked down but she got judgments.
>>733821916lol
>>733813358corrupt Democrats going to be corrupt
>>733821876The approach in this lawsuit wouldn't have worked on anyone but Valve, but EA is more egregious in who they are selling loot boxes to.
>>733819764Thanks anon!
So how fast does this thing move?Can we expect results by the end of the year?
>>733821876EA has a marketplace ?
>>733813358The games are age-restricted. They have no case.That's not to say that crates aren't scummy as all fuck, which they are, but come the fuck on.
>>733813358>>733813435>nu-/v/ is so drunk on Gaben's cum that they'll defend lootbox shitembarrassing
>>733822000The allegations here are simple, easy to argue, and would potentially apply to nearly every state's gambling law. I wouldn't be surprised if you see a bunch of other states file lawsuits and Valve eventually agree to make some changes (perhaps remove the marketplace aspect) to get them to disappear.
>>733822065Nah, people just see this nigger is going after Valve for some other reason and even if Valve lost it wouldn't get rid of this gambling bullshit from any other games
>>733822112Since they beat a rothschild in court yes I would expect a bunch of nonsense to suddenly start attacking them.
>>733822023They might have no case, but this case isn't dependent on being age-restricted, it is claiming Valve's running an illegal casino under the law. This lawsuit is more similar to the ongoing lawsuits against prediction markets for being illegal gambling then it would be on action taken towards other titles with loot boxes.
valve has been sued so much lately and they beat half of them. the civil suit with that one guy and selling his game off of steam at a lower price is the only one that is really good to succeed.
>>733815712>>733815985It's about obscenity and social norms. The idea that it's something you are secretly thinking but normally hide is just nigger cope because they think everyone else is out to get them like the perpetual victims they are.
>>733813435>sell for moneyBut you can't, not without going through a third party, anyway. You can sell it for money within Steams ecosystem, but that cannot be withdrawn. Dumb suit. Won't amount to shit.
>>733822259>the civil suit with that one guy and selling his game off of steam at a lower priceValve is going to win that one unless the jury is retarded
>>733813358why valve tho? EA is right there. Madden and FIFA/FC have a wider reach with kids than any of the valve games listed by the NY AG.
>95. For example, in 2016, Valve prepared to send a series of cease-and-desist letters to skins gambling sites. A Valve employee noticed that OPSkins, a skins marketplace that did not offer gambling at the time, was on the list of intended recipients. The employee emailed several Valve colleagues, writing, “I don’t think we need to send the letter to opskins and other real money out sites correct, they aren’t gambling[?]” The employee’s view that Valve’s enforcement efforts were not targeting cash marketplaces was quickly confirmed, and neither OPSkins, nor any other marketplace site, received a cease-and-desist letter.1196. Valve similarly exempted another third-party marketplace, CSGOSell.com, from its cease-and-desist campaign. A Valve employee who had been working on locking accounts used by gambling sites noted in an email that some Steam accounts operated by CSGOSell.com, describedby the Valve employee as a “a csgo trading site, no gambling,” got “caught” in a wave of account locking
>>733822458Because Valve humiliated that niggers handlers in court
>Valve wins lawsuit against the Rothschilds>Now thisI'm NOOOOOOOOOOTICING
>>733822382They banned him for selling his own product without using Steam while selling on Steam just in case people didn't want to purchase though Steam, when he had the ability to do so.
How much will Valve get if they win? They were rather benevolent in the previous case and just got lawyers fees and some money right?
>>733822543Another six yachts to Gaben!
>>733822353You can use that to buy Steam Decks.Also, if someone ran an unlicensed pay to enter lottery that paid out gift cards, it would still be an illegal lottery.
Oy vey!
>>733821876>games that are actually rated EThis. Most games with gacha in them get away with the pseudo-gambling in them because they're rated mature or pegi18 (even tho negligent parents buy and allow them to play said games anyways). The fact shes targeting specifically valve makes her look like a rothschild attack dog given the circumstances.
>>733818307>FBI saysThese were random tips sent TO the FBI, not what the FBI said. What the FBI actually said about them (which the tweet conveniently edited out) was that they weren't credible. There's a shitload of things you could criticize Trump for and lying about something like this is just shooting yourself in the foot.
>>733813358It's not gambling.People are buying keys and taking a chance at getting a particular kind of skin for a weapon. It's no different than a toy capsule machine you see in supermarkets.They are not buying keys and opening cases to obtain more money, which would be gambling. HOWEVER-It IS true, that Valve heavily influences what people perceive to be valuable amongst each other. They could get in trouble for that, but technically it's not gambling because Valve isn't outright telling people what the value is, the community is doing that themselves. As much as I'd like to see this garbage get removed, but this won't go anywhere.
>>733819726>if this is gambling so is trading card booster packscorrect
>>733822507No, they banned him from selling steam keys off platform for less than what they cost on steam
Loot boxes are gay, but there are blind boxes at Walmart right now.
>>733818550It's such a pathetic existence.
>>733822458Because this law has no chance of working unless you can get something of value out of it, having Ronaldo in a video game doesn't count having value.
>>733813435>going after lootboxesgood, Valve (and all others who practice this jewery) can get fucked in this regard
This entire lawsuit hinges on people being able to "cash out" by using steambux to buy something like a steamdeck. All valve has to do to kick this lawsuit's legs out from under is to make that no longer possible and the purchase go straight through a CC for irl products.
>>733822458I don't play fifa, but does EA run a market place or permit money sites to resell?
>>733822594Post nose.
>>733822723convenient for valve you can no longer buy a steam deck then
>>733822723They should go for pachinkos next if thats the case lol
>the system that rapes, tortures, and murders children is going to save the children and us!niggercattle tier
>>733817107FELL FOR IT AGAIN
>>733822627Which is retarded on his part.It would be one thing if it was a standalone version not connected to anything but the site. But trying to sell a Steam key version for less is fucking stupid.
>>733822756That's what FBI said said, gcjtranny.
>>733822468Ah I hadn't gotten to that point, yeah the lawsuit lays out those and several more examples of explicitly helping market places (up through bullet point 99 are examples). Kind of hard to argue in court that third party market places have nothing to do with Valve and are against Valve's interests when they routinely help them out.
>>733822723You can cash out gacha games by selling the account
>>733817948I have a 20+ years old account and I never wasted a single cent in that shit
>>733817948>they claim this is about child gambling therefore this is about child gambling and anyone suspicious about this is defending child gambling because they love ValveIt's amazing how you sub 80IQ NPCs just take everything at face value. People are rightfully calling this out because the muh gambling shit is obviously just an excuse and there are a ton of previous examples of seething retards trying to attack Steam with bogus lawfare because they are either mad that the free market has made its choice (Timmy and his sockpuppets) or that they can't censor and control Steam because it's a private company (the leftist grifters and politicians).
>>733822846How does valve help 3rd party marketplaces for steam items? Iirc they broke the majority of trade bots and went after 3rd party resellers no?
>>733818084>I hate Jews but I hate Jews more????
>>733822856>you can pass your money through a house edge shredder and remove 20% of it I mean sure
>>733822915They have emails showing selective enforcement.
>>733822856that's a third party seller and no one buys for more than 10usd. Steamdeck is worth more and the exchange is official
>>733822947Expleen?
Some of you are retarded. The Rothschild patent troll has absolutely no connection to the rich banker family. A quick query educates you on this.>>733817107This is bait
>>733822915There are the two Anon published above from the lawsuit, then there are these three more in the lawsuit>97. Valve further demonstrated its abidance of cash marketplaces for skins in 2017 when it was contacted by a professional Counter-Strike player who was interested in starting a “gambling website.” A lawyer for Valve replied that Valve did not permit such sites and told the player that if he did start a gambling site, “don’t use CS:GO items in your business.” The player then asked if Valve had any problems with him creating a cash marketplace for Counter-Strike skins like the site, CS.Money. The Valve attorney provided a much more measured response, saying that, other than general compliance with “Steam terms and agreements,” Valve did not “have very many restrictions for what businesses players and teams can be involved in, other than the prohibition against gambling.” The Valve attorney went on to provide some rules regarding the promotion of the proposed marketplace site.>98. In July 2023, Valve helped a major marketplace, CSFloat, which touts that on its platform, “you can withdraw any sales proceeds to your bank account, debit card, or crypto.” At that time, the platform was branded as “CSGOFloat.” Anticipating Valve’s transition from CS:GO to CS 2, the company planned on rebranding to CSFloat. It was unable to access Steam using that domain, however, because Valve had previously flagged the domain as suspicious. A representative from CSGOFloat asked Valve to “re-assess the status” of the CSFloat.com domain so the company could complete the rebrand. Valve complied with the request and CSGOFloat successfully rebranded as CSFloat.
>>733823014>The Rothschild patent troll has absolutely no connection to the rich banker family.
>>733822937>>733823003Where does the law talk about the value of the returns on your gambling?
