NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!THIS SHOULD BE ILLEGAL.ALL VIDEO GAMES NEED TO BE PRESERVED!!STOP KILLING GAMES!>STOP KILLING GAMES!ANOTHER PIECE OF ART JUST STOP EXISTING!??????? THIS NEEDS TO STOP --- NOW NOW NOW !!!!
I look like this and say this
GO BUY "Highguard® (2026) by Wildlight Entertainment©" NOW!BUY IT EN MASS SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO SHUT IT DOWN!!HELP US PRESERVE A PIECE OF VIDEO GAMING HISTORY!!!>https://store.steampowered.com/app/4128260/Highguard/https://store.steampowered.com/app/4128260/Highguard/
>>734277005>>734276875thanks for the heads up OP.I bought like 5 copies and gave to my friends.
>>734276875yeah i agreeif it's going offline, why not just enable people to run their own servers?why not simply releasing it to the general public, since it'll be abandonware in a few days anyway?is there anything they'd like to keep away from people's notice? like predatory monetization practices and whatnot?
>>734277005send me a pm with the key and i will buy it
>>734276875is he wrong, they could have at least put some bots in and made it single player once they dumpstered the servers
Highguard should exist as a warning of what NOT to do.>resource mining in FPS
>>734277005Ross would say this
NOOO THEY SHOULD HAVE GIVEN A FULL END OF LIFE ROADMAP THAT INCLUDES GIVING ME THE ABILITY TO HOST A STANDALONE DEDICATED SERVERS, YES I KNOW THAT NECCESITATES ESSENTIALLY HAVING ALL THE GAMES ASSETS DISENTANGLED FROM THEIR SERVERSwhen will ross realize, the only games that die are the ones that dont deserve to live?
>>734276875euros signed a petition to preserve THIS?
>>734277309its free
>>734276875i look like this and say this
This makes /v/ shit and piss their pants
keep killing games
GIVE US CONTROL OF THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION>(source code and assets)OR WE WILL TAKE THEM BY FORCE
>>734276875
>>734277421take the corpo cock off your mouth before spewing shit
Kill games I don't like.Simples as, ;).
>>734276875I want a more aggressive version of this where any product that isn’t available to purchase for over 1 year automatically becomes public domain along with any associated IP and all software products must release their source code publicly if the company shuts down
>>734277242-you are not entitled to their assets-they dont want post-humous footage of the game out there where everyone has cocks and is moving 10x the speed of light-demanding they spend even a single cent on disentangling their assets from their servers, literally ANY amount of labor, dont care how minor it is, is in principle, insane to legally compel of any studio people voted with their time and clicks, thats all that needed to be done here. thinking you are entitled to their work and that there needs to be legislation to mandate they had some plan to give you all their stuff, is insane
>>734276875If you put any money into a game like this, you deserve to be scammed.
>>734277561Game jesus preserves all, he cares not if the vidya is shit or not.
>>734276875the comparison doesn't make sense because it doesn't cost anything, so you lost nothing. also because one would have to download highguard first to be able to even lose it LOL
>>734276875it's a free to play live service game so it wouldnt be protected under SKG anyways
Jason, isn't it time for you to stream another puzzle game?
>>734277623its funny how YOU types are the ones who horseshoe around to sucking corporate cock. I didnt play it, many others didnt, and it died, like we wanted. you however are on your hands and knees begging them to give you assets, begging big daddy government to compel them to give you assets, its fucking pathetic ahahaha
>>734277561I'M /V/ AND I'M SHITTING AND PISSING MY PANTS RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>734277623Eat shit, communard
>>734277687people literally game money in micro-transactions,you know, because the dev promised one year plan
>>734277623SKG IS sucking government cock you moron. It negatively effects developers both big and small. A developer should never be compelled to do anything you literally eat the asshole of big government
>>734277649>it’s insane to compel a company to do workWait until you hear about the entire real world where 99% of the shit companies do is enforced by the governmentLol you’d shit your pants if you saw what it takes to get PCI compliance or god forbid a security clearance
>>734277309sent ;)
>>734277623Just don't buy games that do not comply with your world view and the market will regulate it by itself.
>>734276875correct
It should be preserved so future generations can remember it's failure.If the game is destroyed there can be people claiming it was actually good.It should be kept around for the same reason Auschwitz is.
>>734277859How do you feel about building codes? Is it acceptable to force big and small contractors alike to spend more money just to hit some arbitrary safety standard set by the government?
>>734276875Top tier ragebait. Here's a (You)
>>734276875Kill all games
>>734276875Correct. I don't have any interest in Highguard, but games like this should not be allowed to exist in the first place.
>>734277561hypocrite
These threads are always fun. Its wild watching people come up with new and creative ways to argue against preserving art and defend planned obsolescence. These are probably the same people who get mad at shit like right to repair.
>>734277865basic legal compliance to make sure you aren't putting viruses on people's computers is standard. what is NOT standard is demanding every single company outline an end of life plan for their game. >but the end of life plan itself doesnt have to be mandated, they just need to have a plan!okay so can the plan be "you are knowingly buying this always-online experience and when it shuts down, we reserve the right to delete everything because its our shit" something id argue was always implicitly the case with always online games.
>>734277931By that logic Highguard would never have been made
Some autistic /v/ custom servers might actually make the gane fun.
>>734277649Yes I want companies to maintain their shit for people who actually paid actual money for it, regardless of how bad I think it is.For a bunch of swaggering alpha males who love to portray themselves as a muscular chad figure, they are extremely submissive to video companies as whole. It's as if anons here are not actually that muscular IRL
>>734277421>YES I KNOW THAT NECCESITATES ESSENTIALLY HAVING ALL THE GAMES ASSETS DISENTANGLED FROM THEIR SERVERSThe assets are on your computer. You're retarded and (of course) have no idea what you're talking about.The ability to host p2p servers could be done by literally any english speaking /v/ user with claude if they had the source code. It would be a sub 10mb update to the game.
I SIGNED THE STOP KILLING GAMES PETITIONI WANT TO PLAY HIGHGUARD OVER AND OVER AGAIN.I EVEN GAVE LIKE $50 IN MICRO-TRANSACTIONSI LIKED THE GAME, IT IS A VIDEO GAME THAT IS CLOSE TO MY HEART, AND IT WILL JUST... DIE???JUST LIKE THAT?????UNACCEPTABLE !WHERE IS THE FUCKING OUTCRY??STOP KILLING GAMES -- WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOU??WHERE ARE YOU STOP KILLING GAMES, WHERE?BUNCH OF FUCKING HYPOCRITES IF YOU FUCKING ASK ME.BUNCH OR PRETENTIOUS GRIFTERS, THAT'S FUCKING WHATWHERE IS THE FUCKING RIOT??? WHERE??????????
G̶a̶m̶e̶r̶s̶ did this. I will never forgive them.
>>734278107I think every business should have to make a solid end of life plan for all of their products. Maybe we wouldn’t have trash everywhere if that was the case.Do you have a good argument against this beyond the idea that it’s making businesses do extra work? Because there’s a lot of existing stuff that already does that, this wouldn’t be a significant burden compared to those other things, and this would be highly beneficial for the consumer.
>>734278135CRY GACHATRANNY CRY LMAO
>corporate bootlicker general
Glad to see SKG still mindbreaks lobby shills and industry bootlickers.
>>734276875they should also dump all 3d models somewhere and make them free like paragon
>>734276875Unironically yes, let people host the servers if they want.
>>734278258>e-celeb tranny poster
>734278167the blackest of brimstone
>>734278107Soon it will be and you can do nothing about, corpofag
>>734278167>BUNCH OR PRETENTIOUS GRIFTERSyep
despite these retard games they're prime example of why games should be preserved or there should be a disclaimer of what's their projected lifetime on shippingI don't know if Highguard costs money or it has microtransactions, but I bet they aren't refunding those back to the customers after shutting down in what couple months.Anyone arguing anything else argues against you as customer and your interest
>>734278258Absolutely wild how peasant brained /v/ is is't it
>>734276875There were people playing it regularly, so evidently some people did like it. Why not let them play offline with LAN, or with their own servers?
The only regulation that should be required is for companies to choose a legally binding earliest service end date and put it on the box. Something like "online services only guaranteed until [X Date]". It gives you the ability to make an informed decision about whether you want to buy into a game or not, and prevents companies from randomly pulling the plug without notice.Videogames are disposable media anyways, 99% of them aren't worth saving. Same goes for a vast majority of books, movies, tv, and others.
>>734278447Because games are a service now. Once they no longer want to offer the service, you don't get to play.
>>734276875Sure, I have no qualms with them letting you host your own Peer To Peer servers.Stop being a tranny OP, I know what you are doing.
>>734278545but I don't play service games
>>734278545Games shouldn't be a service.
>>734277649>-you are not entitled to their assetswhen a company declares bankruptcy, they don't get to disappear. their investors and debtors gain access to their assets to do what they will.>they dont wantstop reading there. who cares? they've quite literally abandoned it! it's like saying the birth mother's say is taken into account after she drops off her whelp at the fire station.>demanding they spend even a single cent on disentangling their assets from their servers, literally ANY amount of labor, dont care how minor it is, is in principle, insane to legally compel of any studioYou're thinking too narrowly.Once the law goes into effect, companies will simply design their games around this functionality, and any "extract cost" - which is a misnomer, given that spinning up proprietary servers and coding a closed garden also has a cost - is baked into the cost of development, as with every other requirement they already need to be regulated, certified on Steam and consoles, etc.
>>734277649>you are not entitled to their assetsUnreal Tournament, CS 1.6, CS Source, Old Warcraft 3 and many, many other games say otherwise faggotAnd yes I am entitled for my 60 dollar purchase to work you absolute faggot.
>>734278469Why should you or anyone decide what is and isn't worth saving? Major historical and scientific discoverys have come from people digging through old data or materials with new tools or eyes. Knowledge is easy to preserve and loosing it is always a net negative.
when you realize it was gachatrannies crying over their eos slop getting shuttered
>>734276875basedcaca thread
>>734277242>hello third party service provider!>I downloaded a free peace of consumer software that I knew full well was going to shut one day, most likely sooner than later, and thus am now entitled to your entire source code, encryptions, customer data and other trade secrets that you may hold for no compensation.>in addition, you must now provide service to me despite not having made a contract with me or me providing you with any compensation for indefinite amount of time for no compensation of any kind.
TOTAL G*MER DEATH
>>734276875Yes they should. As the mark of shame. To suck money from greedy corporations. To make them think twice before placing a pile of steamy shit on our plates.
>>734278251why do you need the government to mandate this? just dont buy the fucking thing
>>734276875For a gayme they claim was made with passion and care, they sure don't care enough to add an offline mode with bots so it may continue showing what a great game they made past it's closure. Oh well.
>>734278871>free peaceI guess the industry lobby is still using jeets to spread misinformation on social media.
>>734278258Don't you mean government worshiper thread?
>>734279038Because then the behavior pervades the entire market and you can’t just “not buy the thing” anymore when it’s all the products, those problems are why regulation exists
I hope with my all my heart that corps start fucking charging you little fucks per hour played or some shit.And the ironic part is you all would still take it and protect it.
>>734277649>-you are not entitled to their assetsI am>-they dont want post-humous footage of the game out there where everyone has cocks and is moving 10x the speed of lightI don't care, this result is their choice to end support>-demanding they spend even a single cent on disentangling their assets from their servers, literally ANY amount of labor, dont care how minor it is, is in principle, insane to legally compel of any studio you are a nigger, your skin is the color of shit, and your opinion on this subject is irrelevant and therefore discarded. Feel free to kill yourself any time
>>734278871>source code, encryptions, customerI don't remeber Blizzard giving you their source code when they let you play Warcraft 3 and Diablo 1 and 2 lan.
>>734278127>wastes millions of corporate dollars just to die within a monthFor all intents and purposes? It basically WASN'T ever made.
>>734279173>thinking devs can afford to maintain servers with a paltry one off paymentdo commies not know what overheads are? Honestly we should be kneeling in thanks for the mere fact we've been graciously allowed this much for as long as we have. All for, what, "ownership?" the fucking buzzwords people come out with today, I swear
>>734277592>Owning things you pay for is communistThis always gives me a chuckle
>>734276875The few hundreds of players that liked it should be able to host their own servers, I don't care how dogshit the game is.
>>734276875>>734278871>>734278167>>734277592I've been gone for a while when did you faggots start seething at any suggestion that the vidya industry is shit
>>734277005>Wildlightwhat a faggy name
>>734279516Any community that gets its laughs by pretending to be bootlickers will eventually be flooded by actual bootlickers who mistakenly believe that they're in good company
>>734277649If they're not providing any way to access the product you bought, then you should be entitled to the ability to host your own servers.
In a better world, the would release the means to create private servers for those who could possibly care. Maybe a dedicated niche community could turn it into something worthy.
>>734279173What like world of Warcraft where you literally pay per hour on a monthly basis? Sick of these pathetic tourist arguments clearly from people who don’t play video games.
>>734279658I don't even like SKG because i think the methods of doing shit is really retarded and won't fix jack but this shit's just retarded
>>734277649there brownoids polluting this board that genuinely think WE, as in all of us, should give corporations a break for doing the bare fucking minimum
>>734279771realizing now i say retarded too much i wish everyone wasn't so retarded so i could stop saying it
total shillnigger death
>>734276875>>734277421>>734278167>>734278871these but unironically
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting.
>>734279841You also said shit too much
>>734279851>moeshit for uncs
It fascinates me how /v/ is now zealously in favor of owning nothing.
>>734277793>>734277859interesting, it didn't affect devs back then when self-hosting servers were the norm for multiplayer PC games
>>734279921moe moe kyun my dear faggot
>>734277859Thank you for this, I don't want to have to deal with anything that would come from "stopkillinggames", not like it'd fully pass as a bill to begin with. NPCs didn't fully read through that idiots petition, it's essentially giving up your rights as a game developer and making your project open source for others to look through.
>>734279658there is nothing on god's earth less important than preserving fucking video gamesi do not give one singular fucking iota if every game on the planet vanished, it is not that big of a deal dude and the more you scream about it, the more you force yourself to shriek until your eyes are bulging out of their sockets and you are red as a beet, the more annoying you are and less i want you to get what you want
>>734276875reminder that according to muttoids (low IQ uneducated fat golems that do whatever their middle-eastern tribe overlords command) not killing your own game and not proving any means to spin up private servers is literally """"communism""""
>>734279874>no fun allowed prudealso it's a conversation about what the fuck do we do even if shitty games get shut down.don't we deserve to have access to those?
>>734280104I'm honestly impressed by how little effort you put into your sneeringly aloof facade
>>7342799834chan users in general come off to me as being incredibly deprived and have a massive amount of jealousy for people who have money, get laid or people who actually want things from life.
>>734280235>4chan usersyou fucking tourists need to get the fuck out, right fucking now.I mean it, go back to wherever the normie hole you came from and stay there forever.
>>734277421Every game deserves to live. Just for preservation's sake. Also one man's trash is another treasure. People like you probably wants to erase parts of history
>>734279983if the government can dictate what you are allowed to do even for pointless shit like The Crew then you literally do own nothing
>>734276875>I will say the obviously true thing but in a funny voice, making me the victor
>>734280336NahAlso I have been here since 2009, probably more than you r/the_donaldkun
>>734276875i don't say this but look like this
>>7342805162010 actually,I can never leave this fucking place
>>734280516>Skgger xisters... Is this really the best from our troonscord?
>>734280235>moral high horsing on 4chanif you have to belittle the undesirables to make yourself feel superior, then you're probably not that far from us
I don't understand this argumentation.I want awful games to still be in a playable state in some way so that it can be analyzed why it failed>Just watch videos about itNah, that doesn't paint the full picture like being able to experience how awful it is. Some of my "favourite" bad games from the 90's are still playable* and make for good reference material on what not to do.
>>734280336nope, keep coping incel, gaming is normie-coded, people who have sex on a regular basis play games and mog your chud taste
>>734280460So it is better for corporations to dictate what you are allowed to do for pointless shit like the Crew?
>>734280594Same>>734280709Of course not, but I think that we should control our envy enough to not let companies fuck us in the ass just because it makes someone else's life worse.
>>734280460>if the Big Bad Government says you should have the right to keep the product you buy, then that actually really means you don't own it!huuuurrr duuurr
>>734280742I had sex like a week ago, and my gaming tastes is like 100% hardcore retroachievements obscure gameboy games.
>>734280802Yes because you can just not buy it and shouldn't buy it. Government intervention leaves you without a choice.
>>734280921I tried that and I watched my hobby get destroyed because they've targeted enough people to accept shitty practices.I do stick to my old games, but why can't I want a better industry?
>>734276875Why would anyone willingly agree with PirateSoftware? Imagine being in the same group as that cuck.
>>734276875I mean, no one cares if highgaurd isn't playable lol.
>mfw someone larping as the most obnoxious bootlicker he can imagine for a laugh is still taken seriously, simply because people can't be 100% sure it's not a joke
>>734276875The red man is right
>>734277561regardless of highguard being a shit game, it being shut down 45 days after release should at the very fucking least entitle the victims of their own hubris to a refund on their worthless skins for a dead game
>>734276875Who the fuck is the guy on the right?
>>734277649>-you are not entitled to their assetsI'm entitled to play with their assets, or I'm entitled to play with your ass
>>734281068I'm assuming it's a joke because no one can be this contrarian, not even in le current year.
>>734276875>ALL VIDEO GAMES NEED TO BE PRESERVED!!Yes.Even a shitty 100+ year old book would have immense cultural and historical value, and you are denying digital art the same potential.Historians of the future may look at the "brown age" of humanity with contempt and awe
>>734276875Butunironically
>>734280993People choose to buy games you don't like. That doesn't give you a right to dictate what games are allowed to be made.
>>734276875I do think all games should be designed with preservation in mind. I don't really want to wait until an actually good game faded to nothing before lamenting that it wasn't the industry standard.
>>734281278If what people buy makes everything inherently worse, then fuck it, I'll dictate shit. People buying shit is how we got into this technocratic nightmare, people buying shit is how half the world is in debt for frivolous things, people buying shit is what has killed entire local industries for outsourcing, people buying shit has such immense fucking power and no one actually knows how to control it. It isn't simply a fact of "not liking it", it is also seeing the run on effects that make things objectively worse.A shitty game is one thing, but a product (Regardless of quality) that can never be played again is an awful proposition and yet it keeps happening because people keep buying. I've tried my best to get through their thick skulls that this makes things worse, and now we have subscription based OS's on the horizon.There is a fatal flaw in any system that requires the average population to be smart enough with the power they possess, and that extends to democracy. I'm not saying I have all of the answers, but in this minutia of modern life all I can say is making every game rely on central servers that can be shut down for any or no reason is a bad position for the modern gamer.Yet. It. Keeps. Happening.
>>734280394you aren't entitled to other's work
>>734278545Okay so where does it say on my receipt when the service will end?
>>734276875Start killing games
So what happens if idiots actually spent money on the highguard bux? No refunds?
>>734281928As is most often the case, yes. No refunds.
Sharty, Retardera and KF really hates ross don't xheym?
>>734279771What's wrong with the method? What other avenues do they have but appeal to Europe's more comprehensive consumer protections and hope that US follows suit? It's at least something, and could result in the games getting released globally just so they can sell in Europe's markets.
>>734282014I thought the farms were all in on SKG.
>>734277561>predicted exactly what these faggots are saying without even engaging with them
>>734282014No idea about sharty or resetera but KF is supportive of his initiative.Even more so after the PirateSoftware drama.
>>734281729There is a holographic picture of a middle finger faintly noticeable in the receipt paper that clues you in on the matter.
>>734282014I expect anti-consumer beliefs from lefties (literally everything they do is for the worse), but sharteens should want games to be better off. God they're fucking stupid if they're actually opposing SKG.
>>734282131There is zero overlap between trannyera and KF, don't know much about Sharty.He's obviously just trying to muddy the waters.
>>734279760thanks for proving my point
>>734282202Try harder to fit in, tubby. You are a very special boy.
>>734282131>>734282180>>734282202There is a reason of why they got another super sekrit discord again to plan this shit every single time here at /v/Unfortunately no one will leak these motherfuckers againAlso the anti RE9 spam came from there.
>>734277965luxuries do/should have entirely different standards from safety. osha doesnt need to be in video games lmao
>>734282320what the fuck are you even implying?
>>734280742Away, retardera
I don't understand why people eat the baitNo matter what disingenuous and irrelevant garbage is asked, the only thing you need to answer is "Are games services or products"?>If they're products you're being stolen from (this is illegal, fyi)>If they're services you're being denied your rights as someone purchasing a service (also illegal)
I thought technology was supposed to get better and more convenient, why is it "impossible" now for a game to have dedicated server software?
>>734276875Stop killing games doesn't affect F2P games shuting down. Microtransactions are a seperate problem entirely.
>>734282468Hopefully it's just false-flagging in the hopes of reviving these concerns to the surface. If it's anything but that, it's damning of humanity's intelligence.
>>734280072it was the norm out of the goodness of their hearts, they should not be legally compelled. if you want it to be the norm again, dont buy/play shit that doesnt adhere to your demands. letting highguard die and letting things die in general is part of this natural cycle. if somehow they were compelled to let people self host, this piece of shit would have like 3 separate community "revivals" when the youtube essayists jump on some bandwagon, and now you get more pieces of shit like it in the future letmediocregamesdie
>>734282543but it's not natural for video games to die, that's the entire point?
>>734282543>if somehow they were compelled to let people self host, this piece of shit would have like 3 separate community "revivals" when the youtube essayists jump on some bandwagon, and now you get more pieces of shit like it in the futureDoes that not show interest in the game and thus allowing those that have said interest to enjoy their product?
>>734277649>-you are not entitled to their assetsAnd they're not entitled to my money. Bye bye.
>>734282509Devs and studios just want to be able to hold the keys to the car because their games are riddled with server-side purchases. If you had all the code to run it, you could award yourself all that content they intentionally gate from you. And they don't want the game to see a revival after they're done milking it.
>>734282468>EULA says this game might not be playable forever>you pretend to be retarded and say EULAs are meaninglessIt's hard to believe but some people on 4chan are adults that work for a living and believe that honoring contracts is a good thing
>>734281278You should read the FAQ. It'd tell you that MMOs are services and accurately market themselves as such. You pay a subscription so you can connect to a server and play a game. The games SKG is targeting are one-time purchases which should be totally functional offline, but have arbitrary online features that - when taken offline - brick the entire game. Ross uses The Crew as an example but I think Diablo 3 is the best. There's literally no reason for D3 to be online-only but it is, and one day it will become unavailable forever. Consoles even let you play D3 in offline mode, meaning it isn't necessary for the game to function. But on PC, it remains online-only and when Blizzard finally decides to take down the servers, it's gone forever. I wonder if people even realized that back in 2012 when it came out. The point of SKG is to prevent more situations like this, where publishers/developers intentionally don't make it clear when a game might just cease to exist one day. I haven't been personally affected by this yet, but inevitably I will be one day if it isn't dealt with now. Just give people a direct indicator that says 'service' instead of 'good' and I'll make sure to avoid buying your game. You're free to make as many live-service games as you wish, it's just that it's unreasonable to make a business model off of tricking people. It's scummy and it should be illegal because it rewards bad people with money taken from stupid people. I don't much care for either group, but I'd rather bad people have less money and power.
>>734282652Contracts are supposed to have fair legal terms and>this can be revoked for any or no reasonIs an unfair term.
>>734282601if things are always online/multiplayer, that happened because companies felt a need to protect their products as well as the consumer bought more and more multiplayer shit (call of duty and battlefield) and eventually, showed they would buy multiplayer only. the logical conclusion of these is live service and it is natural for live service to die if its bad
>government is now throwing people in prison for speech and requiring you to scan ID to post onlineHEY EVERYONE THEY NEED EVEN MORE POWER
>>734282652Under EU it would be an unfair contract to have a clause that you could pull out of providing a service uniateraly at any time without due compensation.
>>734277649>-you are not entitled to their assetsThey are not entitled to keep them.
Are you happy owning nothing, /v/?
>>734282718so if nu hitman just had a splash screen that said "surgeon generals warning this might shutdown one day", you'd be okay with it?
>>734282742how does letting people host their own servers give the government more power?
>>734282543It was the norm because p2p is the easiest and cheapest way to put out a mediocre multiplayer mode, with the obvious downside of being completely at the mercy of the host's connectionIt only started being vorboten when devs realized they could sell way more microtransactions if they directly locked everything down and hosted themselvesYou think fucking Bioshock 2 multiplayer had it out of a labor of love?
>>734282787i never played highguard to begin with so this does not affect me
>>734282806Yes. I don't like it, but I can't stop people from making services. As long as you're honest, I can't complain.
>>734282652>BUT THE EULA-have been trashed in court before
>>734282859You really shouldn't be waiting until it hits something that you care about.
Gabe and his steamie army are trying to slander skg because steam has gotten away with selling digital assets instead of games for far too long. First they came for the artifact fanbase now they're coming for our games.
>>734282543this doesn't answer the question of how self hosting is somehow extraneous effort on the developers' end or how it impacts them negatively
>>734282391So, so special. And a epic channer to boot!What a magical lad.
>”noooooo you can’t force developers to make an offline version that’s heckin unfairerino”>well stop making, or at the very least charging, for live service slop that it guaranteed to fail>”NO!”
>>734283150your fake argument makes no senseas expected from a redditor gamer though
>>734283113Oh lordy, we got a genu-wine sharteen here. And you're proud of that? I'll take being called a 4channer over being from your 9gag-tier children's website.
For some odd reason these threads attract a near unprecedented level of shitposting that I never see in any other /v/ threads
>>734282992Steam users(the majority of PC gamers) are pro SKG. You are retarded. Also you can crack your own games that use steam's drm ALSO devs can choose to make their games drm free on steam so you don't even need to log in on Steam for them to work, you just click the exe and that's that.
>>734281096If you bought Highguard skins you deserve to lose your money. The writing was on the wall since day fucking zero.
>imagine if you will, an alternative timeline where SKG went through at the turn of the millenia>games requiring an internet connection to function become too expensive to make>games as a service isn't a viable business strategy>millions of developers world wide get to stay employed to create more gamesscary
>>734283428i don't disagree with you, but i also don't think we should bend over to corpos.
>>734283113why is always this eekzee deekzee la-di-da way of typing with schizos trying to act condescending
>>734283314Brother anon tries so hard to fit in, he popped a vessel once.
>>734282923I think if a creator views live service as the best avenue for their game and doesnt want to give everyone their assets for free, that is their choice. only thing i agree with is some kind of splash screen saying these things in plain english like a surgeon generals warning but otherwise, people should be free to kill gamesid be a lot more open to this initiative if it were called "you can kill games, but just let people know if that's your plan"
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>>734276875You are so right Rajesh, on that note thieving in general should be legal, who cares if someone steals literal shit anyway?
>>734276875illtast
>>734283150what? you realize the more live service games fail the less they will be made right? its entirely in the consumers court. you dont understand this but devs are literally slaves to you, to the consumer. they only get to eat if you buy their shit. its really that simple.
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>>734283548It's just the laziest way to bait. Pretending to be out of tune with reality and needing correction. But it is genuine from the perspective they had a lifetime of no father in the home.
>>734283512why didnt people just stop purchasing and playing live service?
>>734283572If you want to be a service you need clear service periods like netflix or game pass would. Whenever I feel like it isn't good enough.
>>734282920It's crazy people think those pieces of shit are ironclad when they used to have shit like "if you opened this package you have already agreed to these terms" IN THE BOX
>>734283572No, because publishers sometimes fuck over fans when, on their own initiative, somehow manage to bring the server of a dead game back online, only to receive a C&D because old as it is it still manage to be better than the current crap they put out these days (see Battlefield 2142 and Battlefield 2042).This shit is anticonsumer as fuck and a big enabler of enshittification and should be illegal, full stop.
>>734284000In the US it is thanks to procd vs zeidenberg.
>>734283758They didThat's why a ton of these get shut down requiring this petition in the first placePublishers have enough money to keep trying for the one in a million live service game that makes them billions
>>734282742ummm mutts are truly unhinged and oh hey guess which bill just passed muttgolem, you know the saying about the people who cry about the wolf too muchnot sure how being run by a satanic pedophile cult helps your case mutt but keep sucking that corporate dick, I'm sure that will give you extra palantir points
>>734276875Would be funny if they did give out what is needed to run private servers and then someone went ahead and fixed all the retarded shit and it became one of the most popular games of the year
liveservices aren't games
>>734283512>>games requiring an internet connection to function become too expensive to makeBut LAN play is literally cheaper than server hosted games.
>>734276875>put micro transactions in a game beta>turn the game off forever a few weeks later>every game company is allowed to do that and there are absolutely zero laws to stop itAmericans loathe regulations even when they exist solely to protect them from getting raped by jews. Sad!
>>734284554Don't let the CEOs find out, they might actually turn a profit
>>734284314>a game with gameplay , visuals, music, characters is not a game!!!Take your meds Daniel
>>734279516you're on the board were the average poster thinks the worst thing going on in the videogame industry right now is black people being in games, consumer advocacy is dead
>>734279871this was basically the ferret fuckers argument and the entire internet tried to lynch him
>>734280089Open source is good though. All code should be open source.
>>734284821>gameplay
>>734284230You are a brainwashed european who lives in a nanny state that most probably didn't exist in it's current """democratic""" form until after one of the World Wars. The U.S. government existed for two and a half centuries. Give your government about two centuries and it will grow to be as outwardly evil and corrupt as ours if you aren't speedrunning towards that.
>>734283512Back in the ancient times of the year 2000 all of our multiplayer games had LAN and you could still create servers & play these games in 2026 with people around the world whether or not the company that made the game is still around.We could download a game like Unreal Tournament 99 right now and play a match together, no additional payments or fees or subscriptions. People today do not realize what they had lost.
>>734284554>>734284749>But LAN play is literally cheaper than server hosted games.except it isnt. at least not in the long run. because if you make a new iteration of Game People Like™ every year, which has multiplayer in it, you'll have less player migration from the previous iteration to the new iteration if you just LET players keep playing the old version of your game. By turning off the servers to the old version(s), you ensure players HAVE to buy the newest copy if they want to keep playing Game They Like™ with their friends/online. its faggy as hell, but thats the way these parasites view their customers.
>>734285421whoa different games are different?
>>734285334notice how you didn't address any of the points (it's not like you had the mental capacity to do so)>You are a brainwashedweird, my government doesn't have a senile pedophile satanic president that's present in Epstein files multiple times>The U.S. government existed for two and a half centurieswhich is nothing compared to most european states and your cucked empire is already collapsing as we speak>Give your government about two centuries and it will grow to be as outwardly evil and corrupt two more centuries and two more weeks, fat golem
>>734278065bro can't read
>>734285563Unless your next words are "I'm from North Korea" you should just commit suicide right now you kid eating jew
>>734277421>game dies>some autists improve it for free>fun time achieved
game killers when they realise they're selling physical copies of their games to consumers instead of permission slips
>>734285563wait, euros actually believe they're safe and aren't already on the brink of being wiped out?I guess I'm vindicated for whenever I say that it's the goyim's own fault and that they deserve it. I hate old world tribals so much. They unironically think like picrel. The Freemasons were right, and that's why it's called the New World.
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>>734285203fuck off Claude
>>73428556399% chance you didn't know about Epstein until the telly told you about it this year, you fucking cattle.Real Europe died in WWI which my country did contribute to unfortunately, but it is amusing that modern euros aren't our golems like how we are golems of Israel.
>>734276875This is why I don't pay for free games or multiplayer-only games.
>>734286163*think they aren't our golems
>>734285494Things used to be better. I hope someday it'll be good again so that you'll be able to enjoy the things they took away from you
>>734280394this, even though this game is shit, it might give some dev out there some good idea, you never know.Worst case scenario it becomes a warning tale for future generation of how women, jews and faggots ruin everything.
>>734276875>F2PNot covered by the SKG movement.
>>734285818rare af wignat freemason/luciferian
I dont want live service slop preserved.There, I said it."We cant save everything", this is true, and Id argue fomo dopamine treadmills are of no value whatsoever, and are an easy triage point.Leading the charge of "art preservation" with The Crew was the dumbest fucking idea.
>>734281096>Give retarded assholes a refundNo.
>>734284907I have a any critique's a goal mentality about all thisworking men won't stop being the target audience of triple a games and if triple a wants to go bankrupt making God of war for the "allies" and the other side of triple a wants to die making call of duty for the dudebros then I can safely watch them die knowing I wasn't their target audience and that we could have been friends but they decisively decided my money wasn't real
>>734277649>-you are not entitled to their assetslmao don't care, you will hand them over and go put the fries in the bag>-they dont want post-humous footage of the game out there where everyone has cocks and is moving 10x the speed of lightlmao don't care, you made a shit game and it failed now go put the fries in the bag>speed of light-demanding they spend even a single cent on disentangling their assets from their servers, literally ANY amount of labor, dont care how minor it is, is in principle, insane to legally compel of any studioretarded rambling, put the fries in the bag
>>734287236>the other side of triple a wants to die making call of duty for the dudebrosFucking THANK YOU for acknowledging that the other side of goyslop (colloquially known as "goonslop") is just as bad.
>>734276875Unironically, yes? If the game is gonna die, why not give away the source code? Amateurs could fuck around with it and modify the game like they want, maybe even making it not dogshit.What argument is there against this?
>>734285663>kid eating jewsilence golem, you shall not name your overlords in vain>>734285818in muttland the only things that haven been wiped out are SSRIs stockpiles and your local KFC>>734286163>99% chance you didn't know about Epstein why would I want to know anything about a random mutt pedophile at any point in time, ever>but it is amusing that modern eurosthe orange pedo cucked out at greenland btw+100 palantir score mutt, no anti-israel narrative detected, no wrong-think detected, corporate boot: licked clean
>>734279983You are literally talking to paid actors and bots.
>>734286915Preserving unsuccessful games is equally important if for no reason other than serving as a warning for future game devs on what not to do.
>>734287342y-you too
>>734277649>demanding they spend even a single cent on disentangling their assets from their servers, literally ANY amount of labor, dont care how minor it is, is in principle, insane to legally compel of any studiofirst, there is nothing to "disentangle" from anything. Learn how software and videogames work before speaking.second, if there was, then this shit should be taken into account during the design and development of the game. All other companies have these types of things they have to do when they drop a service and they are obliged to plan for that, why is software/vidya should be exempt from it?
>>734276875sjw dont buy gamesthey need to learn to stop appealing to twitter warriors
>>734283084We can't do it because... Because we just fucking can't okay?!?!??
>download game on steam even though I'm not entitled to their assets>play the game on steam even though I don't own it >use the dedicated server software on steam even though it's unfeasible to release that to the publicAlways really funny to check on these threads and see what indians claim to be reality
>>734278726>Unreal Tournament, CS 1.6, Old Warcraft 3You didn't play those games, zoomer
>>734276875Anons:>Fuck you and your stop killing games movement. You are not entitled to be able to keep playing a game when the dev shuts it downSame anons:>Alright, back to my classic WoW server.
>>734278871>>734277649Counterpoint: BUT I WANT IT GIVE IT GIVE IT NOW WAHHHHHHHHHHHHH EU HELP
Quake is a 30 year old game and I'm able to play it online today.Why is this an impossible expectation for modern games?
>>734287835>This game made in 2006 has a dedicated server exe without external support>Therefore all online games use a discrete dedicated server exe with external supportThis is how actual literal retards think.Below-70 retards
Your codeMy choice:)
These truly are the threads with the most shills and/or schizos on the siteI really hope none of the newfags are dumb enough to buy into "ackchyually some games should die" just because it's being spammed all day. Nobody has any reason to believe this. It's just making the world slightly worse and giving greedy people more slack for no real reason.
>>734288013because it's a game that can fit on a floppy disk instead of a larger modern production
>>734288103Dumbass
>>734287868more like pointing out the double standard,the same people who mocked highguard are the same people who are pro SKG,so.... what gives? is it because this movement is just a meme or something,and that in reality people vote with their wallets?
>>734277242providing this would take effortwho hosts these files?If devs make a new game they usually copy netcode. Providing the server source code would expose potential security risks. Makes it easier for cheaters and private servers.
>>734288056>Therefore all online games use a discrete dedicated server exe with external supportAre we shifting back to the argument that it's magically impossible to do what was the standard just 20 years ago?Genuinely blows my mind that bots and browns try this. Maybe it works on zoomers?
>>734280921This has to be the most retarded argument ever...Thinking like that is the reason why we are here.THIS SHIT DOES NOT WORK!I hate apple, and hate everything they do, I don't even touch their products, and yet appletards outnumber me 100s to 1 so the shitty apple practices started dictating the phone/tablet markets and no amount of "voting with your wallet" will ever change this.
>>734276875It's F2P, so not really applicable.
>>734288056I own multiple games released in the last 5 years on steam that have dedicated server software despite buying few modern releasesIt is absolutely possible for all devs to release the server hosting software as is proven by all the many devs that do it for free already>Below-70 retardsI knew indians honor their elders but damn
>>734288103when you dishonestly call people that disagree with you shills with zero evidence it makes everyone not trust you just FYI
>>734278065Get a real job, Maldavius Figtree.
>>734288172Anon"It's possible to make a dedicated server exe without support" and "all games MUST BY LAW make a dedicated server exe without support" are two very different propositions.Do I need to explain to you why the latter is not going to fly?
>>734287617Correct. It becomes very obvious when any attempts at a genuine discussion are completely ignored or met with a random collection of insults.The intent behind these posts is to prevent any conversation from taking place.
>>734288013I'm no expert, but I imagine giving players the ability to host their own shit would also mean giving them some inside info on how the game operates, making it a free rein for cheaters or worse.
>>734287949What an embarrassing tantrum fueled by envy.Its ok, maybe one day you can live in a system where you arent just a voiceless serf to be raped by corporations.
>>734288257>Actually literally saying "yes I believe all games have x86 server executables with no licensed code ready to go"You are retarded.
>>734288178>we are hereThe Crew shutting down? That's the big thing I'm supposed to pretend to care about?>people choose to buy things I don't like therefore I need the government to step inthere it is
>>734288150laughing at highguard for being bad and a commercial disaster has nothing to do with this
>>734288178Let me save you time>then we deserve it"Individual fiscal responsibility" is a death cult that involves, ultimately, leaving yourself at the mercy of corporations who have spent centuries optimizing the art of manipulating people into eating shit. If the end result of this is absolute squalor sheeit that's just what people want I guess
>>734288150>laughing at one of the most predictable failures since concord means you don't want to own the games you buyAre you retarded?No, sincerely, are you an actual retard, or are you just grasping at any straw you think will give you some kind of gotcha?That's the most fucking stupid post I've read all day
>>734288150>so.... what gives? Because the positions:>Studios should make sure that if they no longer want to support a game, the game stays reasonably playableand:>I think this game is assAre not actually contradictory statements. For example: I think the original cuts of the original Star Wars trilogy should still be available for anyone who wants to see it. And I also think the new Star Wars trilogy is absolute fucking ass. You see how one doesn't contradict the other? And I'll do you one better: You can believe that something is absolute fucking ass, and still believe that it is a good Idea to preserve it. Where's the double standard?
>>734288362The saddest part of this whole thing is the people like you that genuinely feel like you're fighting for rights. You're so completely powerless that you have to imagine this is something that matters while the people in power bomb the fuck out of children
>>734276875I usually think posts like this are funny until some retarded esl speak ruins them for me. Learn the fucking language or don't speak it.
>Always Online Game literally called LET IT DIE>Continues to live on with an official offline mode with no micro transactionshttps://www.thegamer.com/let-it-die-offline-version-sunset-live-service/
>>734288501>shit uhhh I'M PRO PALESTINE BE MAD AT MEshilldar off the fucking scale
>>734288436>not buying The Crew because it's a shitty driving MMO is a DEATH CULTSeriously kill yourself you dishonest fearmongering statist cocksucker
>>734281096They should just patch in P2P matches through Steam Matchmaking and convert the skins to Steam inventory items. That way they don't have to run any servers anymore, while the players that want to, retain access to their slop.
>>734288501The truly embarassing part is people who consistently turn up to whine about not getting their way while trying every trick in the book to divery attention, all while insisting they don't care.
>>734288389He didn't "literally" say that though.Do you even know what "literally" means rajesh?You guys are worse than niggers its amazing.
>>734288581That's nice of them, good job.
>>734288013Games are products, not games. Quake was made by a bunch of nerds who liked video games. Games now are made by a bunch of corporate boomers who hate video games.They sell you a product, not a game.If they release product A they want to be able to kill product A so that they can sell you product B.There's a lot more than that, I don't even want to put in the effort, but the tl;dr is profit. They can maximize profit by keeping servers online and private and by killing older games.Having said that, SKG wouldn't be more than annoyance to them for reason I won't go into. Also there's zero chance it would be applied retroactively >>734288361nah, they can give you precompiled binaries, there's nothing about skg that suggests they have to give you the source codeand with kernel level anticheats the game can check for the integrity of the binaries anywaythe source code point is just something that a. would never would in court b. only retards like to parrot
>>734280104Why are you on the video game board, anon? Are you lost?
>>734288660lol you tried
>>734288389>Noooo the product isn't inherently born that way (???) so it shouldn't be a consumer protection thing devs need to dowhat?
>>734288617>broo just let corporations do whatever you want only you the individual (of course including corporations with the manpower of thousands and their ceaseless campaigns to sway you) are allowed to have any power!The only power ANYONE is allowed is through engaging with the markets that I am trying to game and rig!U know this won't last
>>734288729I mean no one thinks it's going to be applied retroactively, just like Apple wasn't forced into a mass recall to make all their existing phones usb-c compliant.
>>734276875>Be player>Download game and pay like 60€ for cosmetics or other stuff>Game shuts down randomly in 2 months or so>Americans think this is okay cause ew communism yucky or some shit
>>734288729>Precompiled binaries Are very easily decompiled. A dedicated server exe exposes the server code, full stop.
>>734277717literally would
>>734288865Some retards do, and there's a big overlap with the retards who believe courts will force companies to release source code>>734288946stop talking about shit you don't understand
>>734288501>powerless Mmm. Except shit like the data collection laws passed by EU had even giants like google fight it and get raped into submission.What do I care if globohomos bomb some muslim sandnigger country lmao?So youre mohammed and not rajesh, my apologies. Mudslimes are marginally more tolerable than street shitters.
>>734278871Any of the SKG discussion will never apply to f2p GaaS anyway.It's exactly because you don't pay for the game that there is no contract or obligation to keep the game running.Not sure how laws apply to in-game purchases, but it seems like it is even less regulated, but it surely will never translate into having to give out server tools. At most the game will have to run for a certain time or provide full refunds.
>>734288841Oh hey a new argument wow>They should be forced to refactor their entire application after they no longer have the funds to maintain servers>Because Tim really wants itGonna need a far more compelling reason, Tim.
>>734288865yea it would be nice if in good faith devs made more modern games offline-playable but many of them are kind of callously built with that being difficult-to-impossible
>>734288970>Nuh uh!LmaoWhy the fuck do you think these studios moved to the hosted model in the first place? So their code isn't exposed.
>>734288348What these retard shills will never get is that just like back in 2016 when orange man got first elected, it was because shareblue kept doing this shit to people. They were 24/7 trying to inorganically shill retarded obviously false things. You know what it does? It keeps the conversation alive. There would be nothing to talk about in these threads if everyone agreed. Instead, it's full of heated debates and hegelian dialectics that will inevitably show which side has more merit to any bypasser. There are actual arguments to make for negative effects this could have on the games industry (just like with trump) but they're not even coming up because the shills are just feeding us easy wins and keeping the threads bumped. Crazy stuff
>>734288581Those sick bastards. Don't they realize this isn't possible?
>>734277561>He actually inb4'd them BRUTAL
>>734289105>very easilyI don't think you understand how difficult it is to reverse engineer binaries. You're a retard. You're a retard because you're either talking about something you don't understand, or you have a way to do nobody else can and you're not using it to become a billionaire. In both cases you're retardedI know perfectly well why they keep their servers online and it is absolutely not to prevent a bunch of retards who never used IDA from decompiling their code
>>734288943you willingly gave money to a literal tax evasion scam game made by grifters.you deserve to have your money stolensimple as.
>>734289030what the fuck are you talking about lmao? Yeah it'll take a couple man hours to shape up a dedicated server into release-viable form but I don't care, nobody said adhering to consumer protection laws must be free for a companyThe tim accusation is completely random btw. What the fuck does that have to do with anything
>>734289019The reasoning of SKG at the time was that they weren't sure but considering people pay for in-game content you should probably be able to access that content which means playing the game
>>734289174>Nuh uh I m important computerman and u r dumFucking hilarious
>>734289030No. They should be forced to refactor an end of life plan as they make new games going forward. You're welcome.
>>734289269>A couple hoursDunning Kruger going CRAZY over hereYour clear lack of knowledge on the logistics aside, you're still not providing a reason why this should be mandated except "I want it"
>>734277242Yeah why not just flip the you can make a local server switch on?
>>734289264Nobody deserves to have their money stolen, what a childish reply.
>>734288393>people choose to buy things I don't like therefore I need the government to step inYES RETARD.Do you also think that driving under the influence being a crime is a bad thing too?I bet you would say yes and then get run over by some drunk retard.
>>734289326That's the same thing, just with vague wording to attempt to avoid the fatal implications and cover up technical illiteracyIt doesn't become a less onerous proposition if you just change the words around
>>734289431>I don't think this needs a law>OH SO YOU THINK ALL LAWS ARE BAD!? YOU THINK I SHOULD BE ABLE TO MURDER IS THAT ITThese threads reach impossible heights of bad faith arguing
>>734289448One implies retroactive enforcement. The other is about a change going forward. You're once again welcome.
>>734289354I said a couple man hours, I'm sure it takes a couple days of salary you retard it's not literal. I still don't care. Nobody thinks adhering to consumer protection laws should be free for a company, and if you think so, explain why. >logisticsLogistics aren't an issue brainlet you can just put it up for download anywhere you're already putting up game software for download already anyway
>>734288843or you could just not buy bad games
>>734289536No, that's wrong.
>>734289580no game should suddenly cease to exist regardless of quality
