I understand the first game looking like dogshit but what's their excuse this time?The first game must have made 9 digits.Why do indie developers have no aspirations?
>>734370762>The first game must have made 9 digits.>>734370762>Why do indie developers have no aspirations?
>>734370762i like how the characters looked more in the first game, but otherwise the art is fine
>>734370925Yes, anon. Making 9 digits and then shitting this low effort garbage out a decade later is exactly what it looks like when you have no aspirations as a game developer. Glad you can read.
>>734371141woosh you missed the pointthey made enough money why would they care and the people they outsourced the work to at high pay care less than they would've
>>734370762That's their signature look
>new and popular badOh boy oh boy I love doing this thing over and over again
It's still in early access.
isn't this the game with a hakumen ripoff?
Indie devs still treat card games like table-top games.Where, any graphics just serve as visual-helpers for the cards and concept, not to bring a world to life.You aren't playing a video game about a character climbing a spire.You're playing an electronic table-top game about a character climbing a spire.
>>734371893The original Ironclad was based on Hakumen but they redesigned him to remove the similarities. You can see it in the OP.
>>734370762STS is so terminally devoid of any actual visual identity as an IP that the closest thing it has to a mascot isn't even any of the playable characters. There was nothing to enhance about the next one other than making it a bit shinier, because the visuals of StS didn't convey anything.
>>734370762do they at least have animations now?
I could never stand sts's awful visuals, I was hoping a sequel would hook me with something stylish but nope
Look bro, I'm just not gonna get mad
>>734370762Someone really needs to make a single player roguelite deckbuilder with the animation and production quality of CZN.
>>734370762Yeah sts is supposed to be good but I'll never play it because it looks nauseating
>>734373651Chrono ark
>>734374506Chrono Ark has shit animations. Not even comparable to CZN.
>>734373651So, is this chinese or japanese
>>734370762Now that the dust has settled, was it good?
>>734375736K*rean
>>734374506Chrono ark has the best gameplay of any of these cardslop games, but the animations are mostly dogshit
The first game had unfinished sprites and animations for everything and everyone was already heralding it as the greatest deckbuilder ever made so they never had to put in effort for any of it
>>734373651Except this looks like shit. >WOOOAAAH TITS AND FLASHING LIGHTS WHAT AMAZING GRAFFIX AAAAAAAA
more soulful than artstation slop marathon
>>734370762This looks good though.
>>734377876This is exactly why STS looks the way it does. You can have beautiful graphics but some contrarian will still hate it
>>734377876It looks fantastic. It's the best looking roguelike/lite deckbuilder, it's just a piece of shit gacha.
>>734370762The only thing I hate in this image is how ironclad look now, this nigga ate like 20 bird cultists
>>734373651Wow visual vomit. I appreciate the big titty waifu but she could be on the field not flash for a second when you attack.
>>734373651Calling CZN deck builder is really funny
>>734378182You're so painfully and performatively contrarian it's unreal. >>734378241I mean, it is. It doesn't have the depth of Slay the Spire but it is a deckbuilder.
>>734370762>how come game 2 looks like game 1?!?!?!
>>734371893sts1 ironclad was straight up traced hakumen in neutral pose and barely anyone talks about it
>>734370762>Why didn't the devs rape their own style? It should look like AAA games because higher fidelity is always better.
>>734378035>>734378060No, you just have shit taste.Can you imagine playing that sloppa for 6 straight hours? Your fucking eyes would bleed. Roguelites have minimal graphics because you're not supposed to be focused on them - you're supposed to be paying attention to the numbers. What numbers are even happening in that WEBM? The monster has an arbitrarily large HP count, as do the characters, seemingly, the character is attacking multiple times and big fuckin numbers are shooting out everywhere to entertain you like car keys jangling in front of a baby, but what the fuck is actually happening? This sort of garbage isn't just unnecessary for a game with depth, it actually impedes you understanding what's happening. That's why all the best roguelikes and roguelites have extremely minimal graphics, and, occasionally, good art direction, but even that part's optional. Visual clarity trumps all. For as much as StS gets shit on, it's generally very pleasant to look at. No eye strain with nice greys and blues and the occasional muted yellow. It's that way on purpose. The actual art is cohesive, distinctive, and portrays what you're looking at well. The characters look like the abilities they have. It all fits together.
>>734370762I unironically liked the art of the first game more.
>>734378846Agreed. Everything looks a little too round, now. STS1 was pointier and I liked it that way.
>>734373651soulless
>>734378834What's happening is the player used the support character's ability to generate minions in order to spawn Softie cards which, on retain, increase the damage of the first attack performed in the turn. And, assuming that the Softies were generated via the retain effect of Growing Creatures, their generation stacked several Vulnerable debuffs on the boss. Since none of these effects were caused by attacks, the damage dealer is able to retain her Dark Mist Stance and gets extra hits in her attack cards, dealing several hits for massive damage.But I guess he should have just played 1 card for 3 block and passed the turn so someone who doesn't play the game can understand it better.
>>734370762Looks like mobile slop lmao
>>734378834Didn't read.
>>734370762>covered up The Silent's toes
>>734379206And I suppose the player was able to calculate all of these mechanics in conjunction to know that he was going to do, uh... 9,694 damage points, before he played the attack, huh? In his head? Surely it isn't the case that he just did whatever random shit sounded good to produce big numbers that have no meaning because they're operating at a scale specifically designed to get you to pay more money to play the game less, right?
>>734379546The game literally tells you how much damage a card will do before you play it. Did you consider that possibility? dumb shit
>>734379712Right, but you indicated that he had to plan this over multiple turns. I suppose he has an excel sheet with pre-prepared formulas that tell him how many floobles Tits McGee needs to retain in her panties in order to queef for the maximum damage Kawaii Sugoi Form allows her.
>>734378149ironclad only looked cool because they traced an actual cool character to begin with keksts2 ironclad and defect look like shit compared to their originals because the devs have no artistic talent when they need to stand on their ownfun game tho
>>734379827Dude, if I watch two people play a Yu-Gi-Oh match, I have no fucking idea what anyone's doing. But that doesn't mean I assume the people playing don't know either. The cards work the same way every time.
>>734380216That's because Yugioh is also hot fucking garbage, but at least Yugioh doesn't require you to whip out a calculator to figure out if your monster is going to kill the other guy's monster. Mostly? It's been a long time since I've given a shit about that card game, maybe it got worse.I digress. I'll admit that an outsider perspective on a game's visual clarity doesn't reflect the experience of the person who's actually playing it, but I maintain that 36818 HP is a retarded amount of health for an enemy to have in a deckbuilder at any point under any circumstances, and also that the game generally looks shite due to an overreliance on cheap titillation and flashy effects in place of cohesive art design. I like your Futurama webm and feel no further need to argue with you. Good day.
>game looks like shitdon't worry, modders are here to save you plebs.
>>734380779>not even trying to match the charactersbothersome
>>734378834Are you retarded? Wtf is thisIf I flash some light at you, are you going to flip out and shit your pants?
>>734371323You're supposed to care about the quality of the product and not just the money you make.
>>734381125>If I flash some light at you, are you going to flip out and shit your pants?wouldn't you?
>>734370762>noooooooo why are indie developers going with their preferred artstyle instead of conforming to my superior artistic taste
>>734373651I'm willing to try this but I can't imagine gacha and rogue like deck building meshing well
>>734370762Silksong?Deltarune?Why is it fine when they do it?
>>734381971Inb4>BUT LIKE 9 SECONDS OF DELTARUNE CHAPTER 4 LOOK GOODFuck off
>>734381971Hollow Knight looked great from the beginning and silksong does look better.This is bait
>>734370762It's soulkino, you wouldn't understand
>>734373651>JINGLING KEYS!!!! WOW COLORS AND VFX BOOM WOW POP ZOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!kill all tranimefags with a fireaxe
>>734378683the style for 2 is vastly superior to the gay chibi style of the first game, though
>>734381946It's pretty fun, but at the end of the day it's still a gacha, and you will not always feel like doing your 2 weekly mandated 1-hour Chaos runs, and repeatedly failing to get the RNG that you want can become demoralizing rather quickly, and again each run takes about an hour. You basically go through Chaos (the roguelite portion) and build decks. The difficulty and modifiers of the Chaos determine your "Save Data" cap. Everything in your deck, including removals, costs points, and at the end of the run your deck turns into Save Data and is trimmed (or cards added back) if you exceed your Save Data cap for the run. Then there are "constructed" modes that you use your Save Data in. Unfortunately, the game is primarily centered around the Save Data/Constructed game modes, so doing the roguelite portion of the game is simply a means to an end rather than it being the actual game, even though you will spend most of your playtime grinding Chaos for the Save Datas that you want. >>734382278Look, if Slay the Spire actually have good animations, you'd be defending those, but because a shitty gacha game is the only roguelite deckbuilder that has good animations, you're attacking it. We all know that's your motivation for this.
This is just a thread for 7 year olds to show how contrarian they are
>>734382406>a shitty gacha game is the only roguelite deckbuilder that has good animationsyou're easily impressed by flashing lights and effect vomit filling your screenthese aren't good traits to have in a game built around repetition due to repetitive eye strain
>>734382136Hollow knight literally looks like a flash game
>>734382625I think you're just terminally contrarian, anon. Sorry about it.
>>734382632Bait
>>734382406your gay tranime game does not have good animations, though. its over the top and annoyingingly flashy. i prefer the simply key frame animations of games like darkest dungeon 2 which i think would fit slay the spire much more.
>>734382697yeah no, keep that out of my game thanks
>>734382752>tranimeYou unironically do not belong on 4chan if you ever use this word. And it does have good animations, it's just a shitty gacha game. All the single player roguelike/lite deckbuilders have shitty animations and production value. CZN has by far the best animations and production value of any roguelike/lite deckbuilder, but it has the significant drawback of being 1) a gacha game, and 2) primarily focused on constructing a deck to use later in Save Data content rather than winning the roguelite run, which is actually kinda fun, but it can wear on your pretty quickly. There's also the upkeep required of gachas, which is the biggest argument against gacha games and only serves to turn them into chores that feel like a job rather than a fun game.
>>734382929>You unironically do not belong on 4chan if you ever use this word.You unironically do not belong on 4chan if you try to tone police someone because they made fun of your precious gooning media. You might be better off on reddit, cupcake.
>>734377565The gameplay is fun enough but man, it is literally half fucking VN. I didn't wanna be a retard so I actually read along with it and while overall the story was fine, it was really drawn out and the constant VN scenes between runs got a little tiring.
>>734382625>>734382804Not even him but this is mad cope. Fucking lmao.
>>734383037>You unironically do not belong on 4chan if you try to tone police someone because they made fun of your precious gooning media.I've been on 4chan longer than you have been alive. 4chan is an anime website.
>>734382929>unironically do not belong on 4chan if you ever use this wordyes i do and ive probably been here longer than you since i remember when there was a time when you could browse non /a/ boards and barely see any anime. hiro himself said that 4chan is not an anime site so you can get fucked anally by indian raiders. my point was simply that darkest dungeon 2 has great animations and STP could have done the same. i would rather it stay the same than be an overly flashy piece of shit like your faggy game
>>734383080>not even him bro i just happen to also have webms saved of this literal who faggy game for transgendersokay nigga lmao
>>734383128>hiro himself said that 4chan is not an anime site...this is bait, right? You're trolling me, right? 4chan was made by moot, Hiro is just the guy who owns it now. See >>734383120
>>734383080i don't want full-screen elliptical flashes on my monitor thoughmost people don't. it's not even about the contents of it being anime or whatever; that shit is just visually offensive by its nature
>>734370762This reminds me of OG AdventureQuest. Now THAT was a game.
>>734370762StS wouldn't be the same without the sovl imperfect art. You wouldn't get it seems.
>>734383198i think that the founder of 2ch's opinion matters much more than epsteins little faggy lackey
>>734383185>there are multiple people in a thread about a currently popular deckbuilder who also play another currently popular deckbuilder???What's next, NIGGER? You're gonna shit your pants over me having played Monster Train, Chrono Ark and Card-en-Ciel too?
>>734383481You are such a newfag that it's painful. Also, the bans in that image are all from 2020 or even more recently, well into Hiro's ownership of the website. I bet you couldn't even prove that Hiro said that 4chan is not an anime website, because he probably didn't.
>>734383526i dont know what all that gook shit is so i cant really tell you anything i play real games like heroes of might and magic nigga lmao also i would like to remind you that you as a biological male will never EVER in your whole life be a woman and that is a fact that will never change, just so you know.
>>7343835260/10
>>734383526I think he's either underage b& or just trolling at this point.
>>734370762>Thanks for buying our copy-pasta!
>literally the same game>with a quirk chungus bird
>>734382197>soul is ugly, uninspired, creatively bankrupt garbageMaybe being a ginger ain't so bad after all.
>>734373651CZN is why I haven't bothered with StS2. I'm actually browsing v for a different gacha news and just stopped by to see the opinion. Seems like people are saying it's just the same game? guess I'll stick with czn
>>734382334It's not and it also killed modding scene
somebody please post a screenshot of the leaderboards. just the first page.
MEWSISTERS WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE GONNA DOSTOP THE COUNT
thought the first game was ugly then mindbroke myself into liking it over hundreds of hoursi think this game is ugly so we will see what happens
>>734384458>gacha newsPlease go outside and get help. You are literally the creep everyone is talking about
>>734384458>cut the clip before playing ecstasy
I... don't think it looks ugly. Or maybe just don't care.
>>734384947I think it looks worse than StS1, but I have zero fucks to give about graphics unless they actually hurt my eyes. Wack ass current day /v/iggers would go into epileptic fits if they tried to play the ASCII games I grew up on.
>>734378683Red Hook raped Darkest Dungeon with Darkest Dungeon 2.
>>734373651Wow, gacha with anime aesthetic #10503820582948294828493749 with visual rainbow vomit.
>>734373651Not only did they already make it, it was what inspired CZN. And it shits on CZN so hard I'd be embarassed to say I played CZN. Chrono Ark is the goat.
>>734381131Lol. Terraria and stardew valley are some of the best selling/highest rated games on the planet and they look like pixel shit. There's obviously a huge group of people that love that style. Your subjective opinion that it looks like shit doesn't seem to be the norm.
>>734384921You're either a shitskin or euro and carry no valid opinions here. It'd midnight outside dipshit.>>734384942Edging.
>>734383051The VN is lame and should be skipped. I too read the whole thing but only because I respected the card game that much that I felt I owed it to the game to hear out its shitty story. Let my sacrifice inform you that there is zero guilt in hard skipping every bit of story possible.
>>734385170Chrono Ark does not have good animations though.
>>734373651If you're obsessed with animation so much go play Shadowverse, not this gooner slop, StS's forte is gameplayhttps://youtu.be/BZAcDOo-imc?t=240https://youtu.be/BZAcDOo-imc?t=274also Morimens >>>> CZN
>>734385659StS looks like ass and you're coming in here recommending MoriMan'sTaint
>>734385659Last time I checked Morimens, it had really bad localization errors. CZN is bad too, but they're actively fixing it. Shadowverse isn't the same kind of deck builder as czn so I wouldn't find anything satisfying there.
game is too easy
>>734383120>dickriding post gg modseveryone can see through your larp, zoomnigger-kun
>>734385659>If you're obsessed with animation so much go play Shadowverse, not this gooner slop, StS's forte is gameplayHow are people like you this retarded? I want a good game that also looks good. CZN is good, but it's a gacha so it's shit. Morimens is also a gacha, and its art and animations are shit, so that's a downgrade. Plus, Morimens is in "fuckhuge numbers for not reason" era of the gacha cycle, which soon leads to death spiral. Shadowverse has shitty animations and also is just a Hearthstone clone. I don't want to play a Hearthstone clone. If I wanted to play a TCG I'd play Magic, but Magic turned to shit a long time ago.
>>734370762the art really looks like very crap ai gens
>>734385940I've been here for two decades. Anyone who has ever used the word "tranime" is a tourist who does not belong on this website.
>>734386056>touristyet more proof of your eternal zoomnigger statusyou're allowed to use slurs here, newfaggot-kun
>>734385659>also Morimens >>>> CZNAre you the same schizo retard who's been shilling your dead femcel garbage in /czn/ since launch?
>>734386056>does not belong on this websitei would consider something along the lines of "you belong on 4chan" to be an insult
>>734386237So why are you here, nigger?
>>734386192Genuinely, what is wrong with you?
>niggertoo late to start now zoomie, you've been exposed
>>734386291because we're here forever
>>734386525That guy's not me, schizo. I stopped using slurs 5 or 6 years ago after I got banned multiple times for saying them. I also got banned once for saying that a game was... frugally inclined. You get banned for slurs now on 4chan. You actually can't say them anymore. You used to be able to, but you can't anymore.
>>734386690really just depends on time of day/which janitors are activethe ones that don't do their jobs and leave porn/gooner/erp threads up generally indicate safe hours for being a naughty slur-sayer on a blue board
>>734386690You can say whatever the fuck you want to, eating a 3 day vacation from biased moderation is entirely optional. Not that they usually issue more than a warning anyway
>>734387173Yeah, but I went from literally never getting banned for anything to getting banned for everything in the past few years. I just play by the rules now. >>734387218>Not that they usually issue more than a warning anywayThat is 100% false.
>>734387218anon you can't even shitpost in junk threads anymore without being blanket-banned by some 80 IQ retard that miracle'd his way into a position of authority
Is this not just the exact same game as 1
>>734387290It's been 100% true in my case, probably because my posts are higher quality. Sucks to suck I guess
>hiring anita in the year of our lord two thousand and twenty six>for a fucking fantasy dungeon crawler game with no discernable plothow does she do it? I'm not even mad, this is genuinely impressive lol
>>734387501>probably because my posts are higher qualityYour posts are some of the lowest quality shit I have ever seen in my life. But because you post low quality shit that people reply to so that they can tell you how retarded you are, you generate more ad revenue for 4chan.
>>734387462and that's a good thingvery rarely does a sequel have the luxury to remain true to the cause of its success due to corporate meddling
>>734387572Too bad you haven't seen shit, which is an achievement considering your shitposting tendencies
>>734387627Yeah but as someone who did enjoy the game for what it was and only finished a run on 3 of the characters, and only did acension 1, is there anything for me in this game? Like if I wanted to play again I might as well just go do the ascensions from the first game
>>734385973No, you are the retarded one for believing that some gook-core gooner art direction (as opposed to Morimens' gorgeous Japanese art style), with gacha systems, with no plot, with significantly inferior animations to ShadowverseWB, with significantly inferior gameplay to StS, is any good. At least with Morimens, you can enjoy the artwork. Hearthstone? This game is the biggest joke of them all with its clunkiness.
>>734387742would you protest having more flavors of the same thing you already enjoyed once before? it's still 'early access', but that largely just means they'll be adding more to it over time>Like if I wanted to play again I might as well just go do the ascensions from the first game>only did ascension 1not a bad idea eitherthe game is basically a tutorial before ascension 10-onwardplus STS1 has modshttps://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3598900044
>>734387823>>734385973>fat spergs yelling about gacha bullshitGO BACK TO YOUR CONTAINMENT BOARDholy fuck dude
>>734370762There is no passion in the industry anymore. Nobody makes video games out of a love for video games anymore.99% of developers either look at video games as social engineering tools or as a get rich quick scheme.
>>734384098My bird is cooler than your bird
>>734387823Holy fucking retard, man. All I did was say that someone needs to make a single player (non-gacha) roguelite/lite deckbuilder with the production value and animation quality of CZN. I didn't say anything about the quality of any game. In fact, I said CZN is shit because it's a gacha. I admit that I misspoke slightly, and I do like the Morimens splash art, but the in-game art and animations are trash. Shadowverse's animations are also trash. You can enjoy splash art without needing to play the game. >Hearthstone? This game is the biggest joke of them all with its clunkiness.Right, Hearthstone is shit. I never said it wasn't. >>734387979Gacha does not have a containment board, newfag.
>>734387930I'm not protesting or complaining, which I realize is the default assumption for /v/. More of just wondering if there is anything even here for me personally as someone who liked 1, but didn't love it enough to do ascension. I get that if you were a big fan, then more of the same is great, but as a middling fan more of the same I don't think will draw me in personally.
>>734388046/vg/ is like 70% gacha threadsit is so bloated with generic korean/jap/chinese garbage that every other actual videogame discussion general required its own escape plan in the form of /vr/ and /vmg//vg/ is absolutely your containment board and your retarded slop belongs there - get outthanks
>>734388046>Gacha does not have a containment board, newfagNTA, but I would assume he means /vg/, which is a horrible suggestion to anyone wanting to actually discuss a game since all generals just devolve into the most mentally ill autists spamming the same posts for years on end
>>734388098I accept your concession. >>734388109I also assumed he meant /vg/ or /vmg/, but there is no gacha containment board. I wish /vmg/ would have been the gacha containment board, but for years mods would delete "general" threads, saying that general threads belong on /vg/, which really begs the question what the fuck /vmg/ was even for if gacha generals aren't allowed there. I think that changed that rule in the past few years, but the damage is already done and there is no gacha containment board.
>>734388265>I accept your concession.doesn't even make sense in this contextjust say you don't want to talk about something without sparking false engagement for it
>>734388425>doesn't even make sense in this contextYes it does. There is no gacha containment board. You are wrong.
>>734388690nope you're wrong
>>734388767>>734388690>>734388425>>734388265paypal me and I'll resolve this disagreement
>>734388831There's no disagreement. There is no gacha containment board. He's objectively wrong, and I accepted his concession already.
The only thing I don't like about 2 is how fast the idle animations are. Need to slow that shit down. Everyone looks like a tweaker.
>>734388831there's no disagreement, he's just wrong and i'm right
>>734388883>>>vmg
>>734389219Not a gacha containment board. See: >>734388265In fact, for several years, gacha generals were deleted on sight.
>>734389219There is no gacha in /vmg/
>>734370762Messing with your established style is high risk for a sequel. It's fine if you don't like it but if they did make 9 digits why would they burn bridges with people who bought it with the current art style?
>>734373651No one plays these games on default speed you know? Animation is a waste of their time and my time.
>>734379546Yeah, I fucking hate Balatro too.
>>734379546>>734379827How are you getting mindbroken by the fact that a roguelike deckbuilder card game has mechanics?
>/v/ is so infested with newfags now they unironically prefer anime gachashit over the flash game style
This is exactly what these kinds of games should look like thoughGraphics are for games with actual gameplay, you're playing a glorified tabletop game so you get the bare minimum needed.Most people who play these sorts of games don't care about graphics anyway, they're too busy gooning to the card numbers.
>>734390005Maganic Wars is superior anyways
>>734390005I've been here since 2006. I played Flash shit back when you still played NewGrounds and AlbinoBlacksheep in your computer class. If all else was equal, I'd still prefer a game have nice animations over not having animations. You can play a FPS dungeon crawler or RPGmaker game that has shitty stock animations and it can be fine, but you'd still generally prefer to have actual animations instead.
>can't play multiplayer with randomsGame is shit
>>734387742>someone who did enjoy the game>only finished a run on 3 of the characters, and only did acension 1No, I don't think the sequel is for people who didn't enjoy the game.
>>734370762lol they can't even spell the word bird, kind of like how anons no longer can spell the word cat
>Diverting resources to make it a friendslop gameBut why?
>>734392204>friendslopa term loses meaning if you apply it blindly
>>734392430You seem to know the meaning just fine but being willfully ignorant because it's insulting game you like and not other game.
>>734392510a game with tertiary co-op features is not 'friendslop' in the same way something like 'party animals' or 'fall guys' iswords mean things, anon
